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Speaker 1: Ever do for ce Ellen, that's some fascinating new status

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Speaker 1: about the age of mums. Last year, fourteen percent of

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Speaker 1: births were to mums younger than twenty five. In nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety five, which is a generation ago, it was twenty

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Speaker 1: eight percent of births to mums under twenty five, and

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Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty five, two generations ago, it was nearly

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Speaker 1: half of births. Paul Spoonley is a sociologist at Massi

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Speaker 1: University and with us Hi Paul gin Ever. I mean,

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Speaker 1: is this simply we're just leaving things later in life

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Speaker 1: because we want to establish our careers by our houses,

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Speaker 1: get some money in the bank.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. So. The age of mother at first birth is

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Speaker 2: now thirty one and timing and a f fact for you,

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Speaker 2: related to the figures you've just given Heather, is that

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Speaker 2: there are many more children born to women aged over

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Speaker 2: forty in New Zealand compared to women age twenty and

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Speaker 2: younger in New Zealand. Isn't that interesting?

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Speaker 1: I think that is fascinating. Is that a bad thing?

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Speaker 2: No, it's not. No, all the transitions are taking longer.

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Speaker 2: So one of the interesting things I'm looking at at

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Speaker 2: the moment is the number of children, adult children in

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Speaker 2: their mid to late twenties who are still living in

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Speaker 2: the family home. So we're just seeing some of those

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Speaker 2: transitions when you might move out of the family home,

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Speaker 2: when you might decide to have children, the jobs that

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Speaker 2: you get, all of those things are taking longer and

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Speaker 2: occurring later.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that is a bad thing, Paul, that

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Speaker 1: parents stall in their sixties have their twenty plus kids

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Speaker 1: in their house.

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Speaker 2: No, No, well, I mean it's an increasing fact. And

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Speaker 2: what we're beginning to see as people are changing their

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Speaker 2: behavior as a results of that. So we're seeing many

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Speaker 2: more multi generational households, so increasing number of households that

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Speaker 2: have got three generations, and we're just starting to see

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Speaker 2: the first households with four generations. Because what we need

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Speaker 2: to remember, Heather, is not only are we having children later,

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Speaker 2: but we're living much longer. So over the next couple

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Speaker 2: of decades, the average life expectancy in New Zealand will

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Speaker 2: be ninety one. Wow.

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Speaker 1: That's brilliant, but how good? Can I ask you a

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Speaker 1: question though, is that so if you've got these multi

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Speaker 1: generational households, is this just a result of us having

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Speaker 1: increased immigration? So you've got you've got people from countries

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Speaker 1: like India where for example, that is absolutely fine and

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Speaker 1: it's normal. Or is this actually us, like Native New

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Speaker 1: Zealand as people who've been here for a few generations

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Speaker 1: also starting to do this.

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Speaker 2: No, it does, it is, it is. There is differentely

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Speaker 2: some cultural practices, but no, it is we're changing and

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Speaker 2: of course the the there are reasons here and one

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Speaker 2: of them is economic and so the cost of housing,

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Speaker 2: so how can you how can you utilize your housing better?

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Speaker 2: So no, no, I think it's a changing a changing

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Speaker 2: demographic combined with changing behaviors.

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Speaker 1: Brilliant Paul, Thanks very much, Always enjoy talking to you,

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Speaker 1: Professor Paul Spoonley, Massy University Sociologist.

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