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Speaker 1: The police are looking at a way to handle protests.

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Speaker 1: This from the Independent Police Conduct Authority, calling for the

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Speaker 1: creation of a system to manage and control mass marches.

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Speaker 1: Common process overseas, of course, but not here. Police Association

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Speaker 1: President Chris Carhill back, Well, this Chris, very good morning

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Speaker 1: to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Mike.

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Speaker 1: Why have we not sort of this previously?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bit of a wonder, especially the way

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Speaker 2: the world's change. I mean, demonstrations are gone from getting

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Speaker 2: the tench and you sell on and around the world.

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Speaker 2: They're really disruption of an intimidation and even violence these days.

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Speaker 2: And the big change too is the counter protests that

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Speaker 2: happen at the same time. So you've got two groups

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Speaker 2: opposing each other. And so it's an overdue, well overd What.

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Speaker 1: Do or what are the rioting instructions when I'm a

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Speaker 1: comfortable going out to a protest? What am I told

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Speaker 1: to do? Currently?

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Speaker 2: Well, generally you're told there's a fine line, and it

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Speaker 2: is very subjective, but generally you're told people are allowed

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Speaker 2: to protest, so don't get involved unless you have to,

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Speaker 2: unless you're see an obvious breach of the law. But

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Speaker 2: the problem with that is what's an obvious breach of

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Speaker 2: the law. I mean, should people be allowed blocked for

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Speaker 2: Auckland Harbor Bridge as a protest when people are trying

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Speaker 2: to go to work, trying to get to the airport,

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Speaker 2: these sorts of things. So I think having rules around

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Speaker 2: that so that people protesting, no, this is what you're

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Speaker 2: allowed to You step over that line, police can arrest you.

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Speaker 1: Do you worry and settings? Do you worry in setting

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Speaker 1: up the rules? We're a little bit soft in this country.

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Speaker 1: The protest at the Hardbridge a very good one. In

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Speaker 1: my world, you don't do it because if I did

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Speaker 1: it today, I would expect to be arrested, and somehow

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Speaker 1: protests to get away with it. And once you get

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Speaker 1: size and volume, you get issues with resources and stuff

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Speaker 1: like that. So does this necessarily solve it? If they

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Speaker 1: don't do it right.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't necessarily solve everything. But I think it's the same.

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Speaker 2: You're going to have problems arresting everyone. There's mass disorder,

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Speaker 2: and they agree that they're just going to break the law.

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Speaker 2: But you start targeting these organizers and the courts hold

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Speaker 2: them accountable, then you know, like destinies are good example,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. I mean that constantly pushing the life. If

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Speaker 2: they were to go over the new law, then some

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Speaker 2: of the key leaders could be charged individually and I

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Speaker 2: think held accountable. It's not never be perfect in a

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Speaker 2: prettiest situation, but at the moment police are left not

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Speaker 2: knowing really where they stand, many times.

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Speaker 1: Between a rock and a hard place. Chris, appreciate your

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Speaker 1: time as always, Chris Carhill Police Association.

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