1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,639 Speaker 1: New stats on gangs in our prisons. About a third 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: of PATCH members are behind bars these days. Apparently we've 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: got over ten and a half thousand people in jail. 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: Of those three one and twenty four a link to 5 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: sixty four different gangs. Did you realize there were sixty 6 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: four of them? Seven hundred and forty two just come 7 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: from the mongrel mob alone. Floyd Floyd Duplasy is the 8 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: Corrections Association president. Back with us, Floyd morning. 9 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: Good morning, mite. 10 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: Sixty four gangs? I mean, who the hell are they? 11 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 1: Apart from the ones we all know. 12 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: There are a lot of smaller gangs out there that 13 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 2: generally out aligned the majority of the of the numbers 14 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 2: and the offending tends to be in those bigger groups 15 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 2: that everyone knows about. A lot of those are the 16 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 2: smaller numbers are relatively small. 17 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: Those statistics about a third. Does that surprise you if 18 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: you've done a quick head count, would you have come 19 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: up with that sort of number yourself? 20 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 2: Actually it does so for those of us working in 21 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: the prisons, we would have thought those numbers are higher. 22 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: In reality, And the reason I say that is quite 23 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 2: often within those prisons there's people in there that, according 24 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 2: to paper are not aligned, but when they're in the prison, 25 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 2: they are. We're walking alongside and supporting those other groups 26 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 2: for pure survival, and so we feel those numbers actually 27 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 2: higher than what paper suggests. 28 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: Tell us, what's that till about the rehab story, I mean, 29 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: the chances of these people being rehabilitated, I'm assuming is low. 30 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: Absolutely, the chances is extremely low. And I know there's 31 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: been some commentary from the government that suggests they are 32 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 2: putting effort in there, and they are putting an effort. 33 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 2: The problem is the e if it's far too small. 34 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 2: So if they actually talk to those people delivering that 35 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: rehable the staff overseeing it, they'll realize that when you're 36 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,559 Speaker 2: putting those getting influences in and amongst the reheab those 37 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 2: influencers influence what is actually meaningfully able to be achieved. 38 00:01:58,160 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: And there needs to be a separation. We need to 39 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 2: be separate the gang members or separate those members that 40 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: are saying, hey, we're going to leave, we want to 41 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 2: walk away from this. You've got to separate them from 42 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 2: those influences. Otherwise they're never going to be able to 43 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: leave while they're in the prison. So there needs a 44 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 2: lot more effort in there. 45 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: And these statistics that is as a result of the 46 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: government law change, the so called crackdown on gangs. So 47 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: this is a material outworking at. 48 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: That that's definitely a component. So the more there's a 49 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: crack down on the outside, the more we're going to 50 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 2: see the numbers increase in the prisons. That's just a 51 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 2: reality of cracking down crime. 52 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: They're interesting numbers, aren't they. Floyd appreciated as always, Floyd 53 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: duplicusly the Corrections Association President. 54 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 2: For more from the mi Casking Breakfast, listen live to 55 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: news talks that'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 56 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.