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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks, that'd be.

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Speaker 2: Time to catch up with our sustainability expert Kate Hall's

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Speaker 2: here with us this morning. Killed her.

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Speaker 3: You've chosen a subject close to my heart this morning.

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Speaker 3: Or though it has to be said, I haven't been

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Speaker 3: doing a whole lot of tramping over the last year

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Speaker 3: or so since our family expanded a little bit. Has

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Speaker 3: been a great sell to my wife to say I'm

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Speaker 3: just going to pop off for three nights and just

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Speaker 3: go and go. Bush, I'm going to be uncontactable. But

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Speaker 3: you have tip for us this morning on sustainable tramping

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Speaker 3: and hiking.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, and like you, I haven't done as much

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Speaker 4: as I would have liked to have the last little while.

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Speaker 4: But I just got it one of those that carry

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Speaker 4: kind of hiking pack carry things. So I hope to

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Speaker 4: do more. Yeah, more hiking.

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Speaker 2: I've got I've got one of those.

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Speaker 3: We were we were gifted a second hand one buy

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Speaker 3: some some friends and oh it's so good, it's so yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's even got like a little got like a little

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Speaker 3: sun slash rain hood. Yeah, you put like a little

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Speaker 3: canopy that you put over. It's so good.

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Speaker 4: It's like I wish they had those little sunshades like

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Speaker 4: for you know, to put on your pack so you

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Speaker 4: could you could have fun. Yeah really handy. Yeah speaking,

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Speaker 4: I mean that's great. You got that, you know from friends, right,

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Speaker 4: So that's what i'd say by freaking hand outdoor clothing

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Speaker 4: and equipment, borrowing or hiring as well. I think a

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Speaker 4: lot of people go, oh, I'm going to go tramping,

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Speaker 4: that's going to be my new thing, and they go

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Speaker 4: and you can spend you know, a thousand bucks on

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Speaker 4: like buying all the stuff and then you may not

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Speaker 4: even you know, use it at the cost per where

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Speaker 4: may be really really quite high. So yeah, borrowing or

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Speaker 4: hiring is really really important. But that's why there is

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Speaker 4: such a great secondhand market for outdoor tramping stuff because

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Speaker 4: you can find people who thought they're going to get

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Speaker 4: into tramping, bought all the gear but haven't actually used it.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it's a really great kind of section of

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Speaker 4: your life to get second hand because there's just so

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Speaker 4: much good like new stuff out there on the online

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Speaker 4: sicken hand platforms. Choosing durable and repairable gear over the

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Speaker 4: old cheap options. I know it might be hard if

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Speaker 4: you're just starting out and you're wondering if you're actually

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Speaker 4: going to get into trampi or not. But that means

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Speaker 4: it's also a bit more resellable. So yeah, the durable

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Speaker 4: good stuff, the brands you know and trust rather than

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Speaker 4: the cheap.

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Speaker 3: So funny you mentioned that my parents, you know, when

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Speaker 3: they were you know, when they were kind of first married,

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Speaker 3: they loved doing a bit of tramping themselves, and they

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Speaker 3: went kind of backpacking around the world. And this was

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Speaker 3: in the early nineteen eighties. They both bought bought Macpack

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Speaker 3: canvas packs, and so my dad when he goes into

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Speaker 3: the bush now and he said, a few ups and

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Speaker 3: downs on the bush over the years, but he still

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Speaker 3: has the same pack, a nineteen eighty one canvas macpack

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Speaker 3: and a key word, Wow, it's like it's actually just

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Speaker 3: it's like a thing of beauty to see the brush

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Speaker 3: canvas after all this time. Yeah, I mean it's yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's got a few holes and bit some pieces, but

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Speaker 3: you can appear it.

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Speaker 4: That's the key exactly. Yeah. No, I think some of

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Speaker 4: the best outdoor yet again now is from that kind

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Speaker 4: of era because they just made them differently about then.

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Speaker 4: Isn't that a classic cliche saying I don't make them

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Speaker 4: like they used to.

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Speaker 2: No, exactly, but there's a reason it's a cliche, A

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Speaker 2: good reason. Yeah, what about it? What about food if

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Speaker 2: you're on the track, Yeah, so.

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Speaker 4: Pet food and reasonable containers or even you know, reuse

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Speaker 4: your ziplock bag. So these vax rats are really good

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Speaker 4: one because they're quite a lightbeight option. That's what I

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Speaker 4: do in like when I've done some hikes then and

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Speaker 4: they are trying to walk the talladeer trail top to

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Speaker 4: one of New Zealand, but in sections, oh yeah no,

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Speaker 4: we'll often try to like dehydrated jates and meals and

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Speaker 4: then pop them into a yea resealable, reasonable little bag.

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Speaker 4: Things like that is really helpful. Obviously, if you do

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Speaker 4: have any rubbish, not leaving that anywhere on the track,

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Speaker 4: I think everything everything back with you. Just avoiding that

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Speaker 4: singles oft snack packaging where possible also means that you

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Speaker 4: don't have to worry about, you know, accidentally dropping your

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Speaker 4: rubbish here and there and carrying it all home.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of the salami option.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now, I just feel like salami does everything when you

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Speaker 2: when you're tramping, and like you get a.

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Speaker 3: Good stick of salami and you know, it doesn't even

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Speaker 3: need to be in plastic or anything, but you can

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Speaker 3: just you can take that and that'll get you through

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Speaker 3: every meal over over a few days.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and some good scruggin go to a bolting store

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Speaker 4: and pick you all the little parts that you want to. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: how you want to make it up?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Nice.

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Speaker 3: Obviously you should be taking a rubbish home, including food scraps,

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Speaker 3: because otherwise that gives the rats and the ferrets and

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Speaker 3: that starts and everything that gives them food as well.

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Speaker 3: And you should be sticking to the tracks as best

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Speaker 3: as possible so that you kind of protect the ecosystems.

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Speaker 3: But what about cleaning yourself when you're on the way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So using a biodegradable soap one that you know

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Speaker 4: is often when they say that they're gray water or

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Speaker 4: septic tanks safe, or they may even say that they're

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Speaker 4: safe for the outdoors is really important and making sure

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Speaker 4: that you're not you're kind of using that away from

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Speaker 4: main waterways and just I think it's about trying to

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Speaker 4: impact the environment as little as possible, even if you're

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Speaker 4: using things that you know aren't toxic, it's still an impacts. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: so just being cautious about that. I mean, when I

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Speaker 4: go hiking for three days, I don't need a shower,

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Speaker 4: you do, Yeah, but when you're washing dishes and things

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Speaker 4: like that. Yeah, just making sure that the products you

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Speaker 4: have and the spaces you're using it. I guess using

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Speaker 4: your common sense is a big one.

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Speaker 2: And Marino Marino Marie, it was a great option for Clyde's.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, so good. She did a test once.

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Speaker 4: I wore a Marino top for I think it was

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Speaker 4: forty five wars. Yeah, and I actually like I tested,

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Speaker 4: I asked people like it didn't smell like when it

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Speaker 4: started to smell a little bit kind of musty, like

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Speaker 4: not terrible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is an amazing fabreak. Yeah. Yeah, incredible. A Hey,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: We will make sure all of those tips are up

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Speaker 3: on news Talks, EDB, dot co, dot n Z and

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Speaker 3: we will catch again very soon.

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Speaker 2: Okay, awesome. You can find Kate on social media as well.

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Speaker 3: She's Ethically Kate on the main platforms.

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