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Speaker 1: Can I just come to the defense of Winston Peters

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Speaker 1: for a minute. Winston has been labeled a coward for

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Speaker 1: the position that he took on Palestine on Saturday, which

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Speaker 1: I do not think is fair because it appears to

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Speaker 1: me that what he's done is actually the opposite of cowardice.

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Speaker 1: The easy thing would have actually been for him to

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Speaker 1: just go with the crowd, just say, yep, we recognize

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Speaker 1: a Palestinian state, because that's what everybody else is doing.

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Speaker 1: The hard thing for him to do is go against

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Speaker 1: the crowd, go against what everybody the UN is doing,

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Speaker 1: go against the domestic media opinion, go against the commentator's consensus.

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Speaker 1: So actually, when you think about it, he's not being

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Speaker 1: cowardly at all. And actually I agree with his analysis

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Speaker 1: at the moment. Set aside whether there should be a

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Speaker 1: Palestinian state, because of course there should be a Palestinian state,

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Speaker 1: and I think most of us think that right if

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Speaker 1: it's possible, it should happen. That's not what this is about.

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Speaker 1: It is about whether you do that right now, because

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Speaker 1: doing it right now is rewarding Hamas, and they themselves

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Speaker 1: have made it clear that they see the recognition of

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Speaker 1: a state of Palestinian of Palestine as a vindication of

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Speaker 1: the massacre that they carried out on October seven. You

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Speaker 1: cannot reward ten terrorists for taking innocent lives. But also,

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Speaker 1: and probably more importantly, it's not going to do anything

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Speaker 1: to end the war. If you really want to end

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Speaker 1: the war, if Trump's current peace plan fails, then what

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Speaker 1: we need to do is punish Israel for what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: They should be sanctioned, and they should be isolated from

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Speaker 1: the international community until they stop. And we've been saying

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Speaker 1: this for weeks on the show. For every day that

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Speaker 1: we talk about whether we recognize a Palestinian state, we

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Speaker 1: are wasting a day that we could be talking about

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Speaker 1: what we actually should be doing, the things that would

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Speaker 1: actually end this war, like punishing Israel for what they're doing,

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Speaker 1: which again is another day that we've wasted talking about

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Speaker 1: the wrong thing. For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive,

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