1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,880 Speaker 1: On the broad subject of health. As we were a 2 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: moment ago some new data around targets for mental health. 3 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: So the target for access was eighty percent first year 4 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: of reforms, it's landed tod eighty three point eight, So 5 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: I guess that's when access to specialist services got over 6 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: eighty as well. Just sure to ed stays big mess, 7 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: sixty nine percent versus that target of ninety five percent. 8 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: Doctor Dougal Sutherland, as clinical psychologist, standers with us, do 9 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: good morning morning. Make those numbers all feel about right 10 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: to you? You see it, you see it, you feel. 11 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 2: It look to be honest, the access to specialist services 12 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: was a surprise, a positive surprise that that's not necessarily 13 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 2: what I've kind of heard, but you know, that's what 14 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 2: the stats say, so we'll accept that. So that and 15 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 2: that's positive I think getting yeah good. 16 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: Regionally, three out of four, got it. The South Island 17 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: is a mess. So we're still sort of talking post 18 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: code stuff. 19 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: Are we, Yeah, a little bit. And if you're drilled 20 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: down even further by kind of district, you know, some 21 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: some areas West Coast fifty seven percent, Northland fifty eight percent, 22 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: so they you know, some of those rural areas have 23 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 2: have always been difficult to service. Well, they're spread out 24 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 2: geographical areas and it's always been difficult and they're still 25 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: lagging behind a long way. So it still is some 26 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 2: post code stuff. 27 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: Absolutely, So what has happened here? Is it more money 28 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: or is it efficiency of money or more people or 29 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: all of that? 30 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 2: Yeah? Probably, Well, I don't know if it's I don't 31 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 2: know if it's more people. They're still not training the 32 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: promised five hundred people more per year that that that 33 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 2: was one of the targets. So I'm not sure if 34 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 2: it's more people, but perhaps more efficiency. I would imagine 35 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 2: that there'll be some siphoning off well that's not the 36 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: right word, targeting of funding towards those areas to meet 37 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 2: those those targets, which is one of the benefits of 38 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: having targets and goals. 39 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: Okay, explain the six hours D How do you know 40 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: an ED whether it's a mental health case or just 41 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: a regular medical case, and are they given the dds 42 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: a shambles anyway? Are you ever going to get to 43 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: the target? 44 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? Look, I say you know that that'll be when 45 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 2: people pre d d D. You know, you go up 46 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 2: and you get triaged and you basically say why you're here, 47 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: and people would at that stage so that they're here 48 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 2: for some sort of mental health issue, or they've been 49 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 2: brought in by the police or the nearest and dearest, 50 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: So that's the way that you'd identify it very quickly 51 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 2: at triage. But yeah, I think that that that issue 52 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: is all tied up with with the just huge pressure 53 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 2: that our eds are on under at the moment, and 54 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: I think that's that's almost I think a separate issue 55 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: from mental health. That needs to be that. Yeah, that 56 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 2: needs to be looked at separately apart from this. 57 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: I think that's how I sing, are you broadly speaking 58 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: optimistic coming mental health? I mean, how long are we 59 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: doing mental health interviews? I mean, you know, forever we 60 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: are we heading in the right direction? 61 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, I'm cautiously uptimistic. I give them a past mark. 62 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: There's still room for improvement. But look, I do think 63 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,799 Speaker 2: it's useful having a Minister for mental health. I think 64 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: it brings the focus onto that area. When you've got 65 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 2: a minister, people focus on things, and so I think, yep, 66 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: we're slowly edging towards it. Is there room for improvement, absolutely, 67 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: but are we getting the ear. 68 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so good stuff. Doogle? Appreciate your insight, 69 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: Doctor Doogle, Southerland clinical psychologist, which reminds me of that 70 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: Herald boardroom thing last week. How much of that was 71 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: just image? Do you reckon? Because Doocey didn't score well, 72 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: he's the Minister of mental Health, he didn't score well. 73 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: You've just heard a doctor saying he's doing a reasonably 74 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 1: good job. So how much of it was CEO is 75 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: going doucy? Yeah Doocy, I can't remember. I'll give him 76 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: two point three. For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, 77 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: listen live to news talks it'd be from six am weekdays, 78 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.