1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,639 Speaker 1: More change for housing and construction. Couple of key changes. 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Councils will no longer be the last checkbook standing if 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: things go south, developers, builders, potentially owners will carry more 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: of the responsibility. Chris pink as the Building and construction 5 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: ministries with us. Good morning, morning Mike. How much of 6 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: this still goes on? How many people are building bad 7 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: buildings that will come back to bite us? Therefore, how 8 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: much do we actually need to change these rules? 9 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 2: There's not a lot of that activity going on, but 10 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 2: we do need to change the rules, partly because it's 11 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: the fear of that in every case that makes the 12 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 2: council so risk averse. So that's a lot that's got 13 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 2: to blame for the delays that we see. So without 14 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: the fixture hanging over the council, may can you get 15 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 2: on and do your job in a way that reflects 16 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 2: the proportionate risks that they take. 17 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 1: The proportionate liability that you talked about yesterday, and the 18 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: fact it's been in Australia for decades, why haven't we 19 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: done it? 20 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: I mean a number of people have talked about it 21 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: for many years and all commission's written A couple are 22 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 2: very long and where their reports. I'm not sure how 23 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: many people have read them, but it seems to me 24 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: and no brainer, including the cold they do it over 25 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,959 Speaker 2: the other side of the testment, as you say, So 26 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 2: are we just think it's time to get on and 27 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 2: do it? 28 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: And how do you work out proportionality? Because here's the problem. 29 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: I get consent, I'm starting to build, the council comes down, 30 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: the council looks, the council ticks it off. Turns out 31 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: to be a crap building. But the council signed it up. 32 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: So that's the council's fault, isn't it. 33 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you're stating for you that case might 34 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 2: be that it might be fifty percent libel for the 35 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: designer or the architecture in fifty percent for the council. 36 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: So I mean, but who would decide that? 37 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: How a court does? A court does so, and they 38 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 2: are portionate all the way through as long as the 39 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: number add up to one hundred percent liability, so that 40 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: the homeowner or the other building owner isn't less carrying 41 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: in the camp? 42 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: Am I on the hook as of the homeowner at 43 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: any point? And who decides? And how do we decide that? 44 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not on the hook because you haven't you know, 45 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 2: you're not to take the blame for the design or 46 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: the workmanship. The only question I think we do need 47 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 2: to answer is what the consumer protection measures are that 48 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: fit along side that, because what we don't want is 49 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: you is the homeowners to have work that's done poorly 50 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: and do you want to see or have responsible for 51 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: you know, it's i'steen twenty percent whatever for the cost 52 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 2: of some of the defects by a trade who's us 53 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 2: and gone. And that's why we're looking at our measures 54 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 2: like whether we have professional and given any insurance to 55 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 2: be compulsory for architects and engineers and other insurance and 56 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 2: guaranteed schemes that already exists. Maybe we sort of lean 57 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: on those of it more. 58 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: The other piece of work, the sharing of resources with counsels. 59 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 1: Are they into this? Are they cooperative or are you 60 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: going to have to bang heads? 61 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 2: No, they are into it. It's precisely because they have 62 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: asked for that. Of the different range of options that 63 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 2: we put to them over the last year, this is 64 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 2: the one that they say, We're ready to go, we 65 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,399 Speaker 2: want to do it, we want to share the resources 66 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: that helps us out. Please do it. 67 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: And so we are so in totality. Once you've got 68 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: all of this in place, and you've got your pink 69 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: bats and you're building products and your new paperwork and 70 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 1: your garden sheds and all the stuff you've done, how 71 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: much difference do you reckon you've made. 72 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: Well, we think it will make a big difference if 73 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: you add all those up. You know, none of them 74 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 2: in itself we would claim as a silver bullet. And actually, 75 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 2: of course it also goes alongside spreeing up the land 76 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: and the resource management rules that Chris Bishop is leading. 77 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: So I think when we do all that, it's definitely 78 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 2: downward pressure on prices in a significant way. 79 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 1: Good stuff. Chris Pink, Construction Minister with us. For more 80 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to news talks. 81 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast 82 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:30,679 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.