1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Politics Wednesday. By the way, Mark, You've got no interest in, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: no vested interest in this. But are you surprised that 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: the numbers of the Tammicky by election as of yesterday 4 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: I think there were three or four thousand people with 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: forty four thousand enrolled, three or four thousand people have voted. 6 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: Is there something wrong with the by election? Is there 7 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: something wrong with democracy? Is there something? What is it? 8 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: I mean it seems pathetic. 9 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's a bi election so it's out 10 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: of cycle, so you know it's hard to get people 11 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 2: that interested in it. But yeah, I mean it's it's 12 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 2: a big concern is that this whole a whole lot 13 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: of reasons, probably given a couple there, but you know, 14 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 2: very low turnout. But you know there should be more 15 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 2: interested in it because the Labor Party are out there 16 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: tauting Penny is the future leader. 17 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you think. 18 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 4: It's going to get that was the multi party he 19 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 4: was doing that, I believe. 20 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 3: Saying it as well. So definitely not be in that camp. 21 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: Have you have you been campaigning with Penny at all? Jinny? 22 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: I know, has anyone been campaigning with Penny? Because he 23 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: seems to be making up a lot of his own policy. 24 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 4: He's been comparing with lots of people and I'm hitting 25 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 4: after the coronation to do all day Friday with him 26 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 4: up there. So he's been working incredibly hard. And I 27 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 4: think the thing that stands out for Penny is he's 28 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 4: got the experience and that's really stacking up as you 29 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 4: go through this camp. 30 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. When you say experience, when when he when is 31 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: his his policy on the hoof thing he's got going? 32 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: How does that unfold the people believe that he's going 33 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: to do that, or can he say anything he wants 34 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: in a by election campaign or I just don't understand 35 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: what he's doing. 36 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 4: The fact that he has been the minister responsible for 37 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 4: far no order means he's able to speak to the 38 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 4: reality of what it means to make decisions is Mardi 39 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 4: within government and a big part of that is being 40 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 4: able to work with Maldy, and I think that's the 41 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 4: clear point of difference. He has that in order to 42 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 4: drive the best results, not only just for Maldy but 43 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 4: for New Zealanders, we need to work together. 44 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: And he gets there, Okay, Well, he wants gagsback and 45 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: there he wants the game patches given back and that's 46 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: not seeing you want some Marie agency for health or something. 47 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 4: That's well, he's got a lot more work cut out 48 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 4: for them. Now. These are seven hundred and forty more 49 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 4: gang members under this government, so there'll be more work. 50 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 2: To do in don't worry decline and gang members the gangs. 51 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: If you've got members, though, Jenny, by giving them back 52 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: their patches, does that help reduce that number or doesn't 53 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: help increase it? 54 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 3: Will? 55 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 4: It definitely doesn't make any difference to the ninety seven 56 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 4: percent of more myth and fetamine that they're pushing on 57 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:29,559 Speaker 4: the streets of New Zealand International. 58 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: They won't just give them that. They won't just give 59 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: them their pictures back. They'll give them three minutes. They'll 60 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: give them millions of dollars to run myth programs for 61 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: the guys that are dealing the myth. 62 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 4: Let me be clear that it's definitely not our position. 63 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 4: We will not do that. 64 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 3: But we won't do that as will deliver more. 65 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 4: Than the twenty three police officers that Mark's delivered so 66 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 4: far out of the five hundred, because we'll be meeting 67 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 4: more than twenty three. 68 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: I think the good news is I'm sure that you'll 69 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 2: be very pleased to hear though the police have been 70 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: delivering outstanding results for us as a country the last 71 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 2: eighteen months with crime going down. 72 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 3: I think we're up over one hundred. 73 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 2: I think we're actually doing quite well with the recruit 74 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 2: Where did they places association? 75 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 4: You have it at twenty three to I don't. 76 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: All right, where did the leadership of stuff come from? 77 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 3: Sorry? 78 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 4: I missed that. 79 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: Where did the leadership stuff come from? 80 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 3: What? 81 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 4: Watch leadership? 82 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,239 Speaker 1: Penny having a crack at the leadership? 83 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 4: That has been something that the Multi Party raised I 84 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 4: think in Q and A that was. 85 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: So that was just solely them. So I saw, I 86 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: saw amazing question and I didn't deny it. 87 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 4: From all I've seen is well. First of all, the 88 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 4: Multi Party candidate said that she voted for Penny and 89 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 4: the last general election and then subsequently and the Q 90 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 4: and a interview with Jack Tayne, she stated that Penny 91 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 4: would make a good prime minister and that was all said. 92 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 4: I haven't heard any comment on outside in terms of 93 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 4: leadership for him, but they don't get me wrong. He's 94 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 4: an excellent person and he's got the ability to really 95 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 4: bring Maori and Parkier together for the benefit of New 96 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 4: Zealand and those excellent characteristic. 97 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 2: I think Shennon Helbert, who I think is in your 98 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 2: in the labor Caucus, was out there saying that his 99 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 2: leadership credentials are emerging for everyone to see. 100 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, well, I saw a Penny interviews. I saw 101 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: a Penny interviewed and they said what about it? And 102 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: he goes, well, let's get the by election out of 103 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: the way first, And I thought, well, hold on something, something. 104 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 4: That's okay, I said, but I have got you. The 105 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,479 Speaker 4: only one I viewed was from Don't get me wrong, 106 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 4: is excellent. He's doing a great job. 107 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: Okay, if you hear anything, Ginny, can you keep us 108 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: posted because I'd like to. 109 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 3: There will be a florry of calls going on there. 110 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 3: Don't you worry about. 111 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: That, Marcus. Judith had a word about you know, Brook 112 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: van Velden the other day and saying things as Judith 113 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: had a word to you about watching your watching your 114 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: step and your tongue. 115 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 2: In just just a general mind of for all ministers, 116 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: what can you. 117 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 1: Say and what can't you say? Because Luxem was on 118 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: the show having a good crack at the Reserve Bank 119 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I thought it was good. 120 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: I'm into saying whatever you like, and you know what 121 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 1: I mean, you. 122 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 4: Should be as nationally that I just speak, speak your 123 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 4: mind and be honest. 124 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: I mean, what's wrong with that? 125 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, but there is a separation of powers and it's important, 126 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 2: you know, strong with democracy like House, it does work 127 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 2: that we recognize that. And that means that you know, 128 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 2: we can't come out and openly criticize the judiciary and 129 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 2: they need to stick to those rules as well. 130 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: Do you agree with that, Ginny? Would you like to 131 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: say a whole bunch of stuff you can't. 132 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 4: The problem with what Brook van veldensued is that she's 133 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 4: appointed some people and she's expecting them to make different decisions. 134 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 4: So she thinks those appointments will have an impact on 135 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 4: decisions that will flavor favor employees over employee games, and 136 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 4: it will save the government money by employee claims not succeeding. 137 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 4: And that looks like she's appointed people who are friends 138 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 4: with her to give her decisions. 139 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: But that's that's standard politics. I mean, I mean, how 140 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: did Melander? 141 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 3: It's your appointments when you're kind of. 142 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 4: Bordering on it's kind of ordering on corruption when you 143 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 4: do stuff. 144 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: The problem is every government, every government appoints people that 145 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: they kind of like. We know that to be true. 146 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: It's just what you're saying is you can't really say so, 147 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: whereas I would say, yeah, I appointed some people I 148 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: like and I want that I want them to do 149 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: what I want them to do. That's what government is, 150 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: isn't it. 151 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 4: Well, that the problem is is provision and that legislation 152 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 4: that they are independent and who comments demonstrate they've been 153 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 4: appointed on the basis she expects them to make certain decisions. 154 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 4: So that's where you get into hot order when you're 155 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 4: a minister, that you're appointing people to make decisions that 156 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 4: are meant to be independent, that actually have a way 157 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 4: of what you're wanting. 158 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 2: Well, the first thing, the only thing that I would 159 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: say like is in that I have my experience having 160 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 2: been in two national governments, is that we appoint people 161 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 2: on merit. They actually have to have the skills and 162 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 2: the ability to be able to do the job. Yes, 163 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 2: governments like to you know, they they like the people 164 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 2: at that point. But the first the number one criteria, 165 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 2: This is not a criteria that labor stick to you 166 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: at all. It's got to be on merit. 167 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 4: And then if they do the wrong thing, just you 168 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 4: just get rid of them. What they did with quickly 169 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 4: got he's gone. 170 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 3: You guys need you guys need to focus. 171 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: You guys need to focus on merit and not on 172 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 2: a whole lot of other things because it just weakens 173 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 2: and diluctes. 174 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: Who I thought of last week, Ginny with Winston Peters 175 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: and saying you're going to have diplomats not politicians, and 176 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: that King. No one would argue against Nick King, would they. 177 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: I mean, she seems to have done an excellent job 178 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: and bolting in Washington. 179 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, they have the some ones here 180 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 4: that have done done a really good job. And the 181 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 4: other one who was quite good was the was it 182 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 4: Jonathan Hunt in London? 183 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: Yeah? 184 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 4: So yeah, so I think there have been ones in 185 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 4: the past that do that do a good job. And 186 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 4: for all, for all this the info I got, actually 187 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 4: Triva was doing pretty good. 188 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: You made that up, just made that. 189 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 4: People went over there from from the other side and 190 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 4: they were like, he's doing all right. 191 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 3: So he played Bury medal Ow full noise. 192 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 1: Right, Mark, I've got I've got a I pray you're 193 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: the messenger. I'm not blaming you. But here's this morning's 194 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: problem on the mic asking breakfast Simon Watts. Do you 195 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: know Simon? Yes, he's in Australia. He wouldn't get up 196 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: for us at five thirty? Unfair or not? 197 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 3: I don't know. 198 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: I can't call me that because you've got out of 199 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: the government. You'd get up at five thirty for us, 200 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't you. 201 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 3: Well, I'm on the show every week. 202 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: No, I know, But I mean even if you weren't, 203 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: you'd still get up at five thirty for us, wouldn't 204 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: you if you were in Australia. 205 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: I get up regardless of what the error is because 206 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,959 Speaker 2: I'm on the show every week and I just think 207 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: it's important to tune up. 208 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 3: How early would you should? 209 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 4: But maybe it's like actor and individual freedom. Maybe Simon 210 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 4: just feels like he's got some No he's no, I'm 211 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 4: getting the other Simon. Simon Wats is the climate change? 212 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: Yes he is, Simon National. Do you think we were 213 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: talking about Simon? 214 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 4: There's another Simon that's a bit funny from X. 215 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: What's his name, Simon Court Court? 216 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Simon is extremely hard working. 217 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 3: The only thing I would say, I just won't get 218 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 3: up at. 219 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 2: My experience on the show is that every time the 220 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: labor member asked for me to do a pre record 221 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 2: because they're overseas and they didn't want to get out. 222 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 3: Of you, and I did it. 223 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 4: I've never done that. 224 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 3: Don Jo has to do a pre record for the record. 225 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: Jinny, it's fear if and when you get to government 226 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: and you're the minister of something important, what's the earliest 227 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: I can ring you, get you on the biggest radio 228 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: program in the country and give you. 229 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 4: I'd do it. I'd sit my alarm and wake up. 230 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: Any time four fifteen for a pre record. John Well 231 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: on you, I like your style, Ginny Anderson and Mark Mitchell. 232 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: Who needs Penny? I like Ginny. 233 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 2: For more from the Make Asking Breakfast, listen live to 234 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 2: news Talks it'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 235 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.