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Speaker 1: Now there are more complaints about David Seymore's changes to

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Speaker 1: the school lunches program. This time it's over the packaging,

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Speaker 1: because the new lunches come in quote, wasteful aluminum trays

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Speaker 1: and non compostible packaging. Co founder of Eco Where James

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Speaker 1: Calver is with us on this, Hey James, how are

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Speaker 1: you well? Thank you mate? So was this your first

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Speaker 1: thought when you saw the lunches being served up at

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Speaker 1: Parliament on Tuesday? Bad packaging?

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Speaker 2: I wasn't the first thought, no second thought. I didn't

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Speaker 2: actually count, but it was definitely a deep thought and

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Speaker 2: a consideration.

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Speaker 1: What's your concern about the aluminium? Because I thought aliminium

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Speaker 1: was recyclable.

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Speaker 2: And what way did you think it was recyclable at

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Speaker 2: a national level?

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Speaker 1: Well don't I just thought it was recyclable, is it not.

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Speaker 2: I don't really have concerns about the aluminium specifically, just

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Speaker 2: and you know, essentially, what we're kind of dealing with

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Speaker 2: is two of the world's most severe and I guess

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Speaker 2: challenging crisises that inter relate, and we've got food and water,

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Speaker 2: and we've got an environmental kind of race, and I

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Speaker 2: just wanted to kind of bring to front of mind

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Speaker 2: the fact that you know, we've spent four four or

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Speaker 2: so years with a program educating key week heads and

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Speaker 2: seeing them with nutritious lunches, and then too, you know,

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Speaker 2: look at it in a narrow mindset and rule out

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Speaker 2: the kind of future generations in terms of you know,

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Speaker 2: considering environmental impact. Was worth a discussion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So the bottom bit of the tray is aluminium,

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Speaker 1: and then the top bit that goes on the lid,

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Speaker 1: what is that.

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Speaker 2: I'm not supplying it, but I would assume that it

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Speaker 2: would be a pain aboard was potentially a polypropylene or

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Speaker 2: a plastic.

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Speaker 1: Lining, and that's not compossible, is it.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually not sure because at the moment we're still

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Speaker 2: supplying a growing number of the school lunch program.

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Speaker 1: The only reason I'm asking you this, to James, is

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Speaker 1: because your press release is wasteful aluminum trays and non

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Speaker 1: compostible packing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I just wanted to understand the concept of

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Speaker 2: how you thought it was recyclable because at the national level,

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Speaker 2: my understanding is that there is you know, limiteds for

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Speaker 2: limited ability and infrastructure to essentially recycle contaminated aliminium trades.

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Speaker 2: And I don't see, and I don't see a way

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Speaker 2: that schools can wash or rum.

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Speaker 1: Setting up another aluminium recycling plant.

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Speaker 2: I think he's making cans for city drinks, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, now, James, I've got to ask this question, right,

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Speaker 1: is the reason that you're upset about this because you've

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Speaker 1: lost business because you were doing eco friendly packaging previously

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Speaker 1: for the schools.

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Speaker 2: We haven't lost any business. We've actually been essentially involved

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Speaker 2: with the program since inception and have rolled. But I

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Speaker 2: guess the government's previous instructions and have been you know,

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Speaker 2: kind of cool.

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Speaker 1: So you're not going to lose any business. You're going

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Speaker 1: to continue to supply packaging for this program.

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Speaker 2: To the best of my knowledge, right now, we're consuming

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Speaker 2: to grow, and we're growing in a sustainable way, but

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Speaker 2: we're also editating children for a you know, a sustainable future.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, I just want to understand

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Speaker 2: the cost cuts that you are considering or talking about. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: how many school lunch school lunches were sent out this year?

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Speaker 2: How many will be sent out next year?

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Speaker 1: No, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Tell me, I'm asking. I'm not sure, but I just

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Speaker 2: wanted to understand the reference of the one hundred and

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Speaker 2: sixty five million dollars cost saving.

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Speaker 1: I didn't lot, did I say one hundred and sixty

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Speaker 1: five million dollar cost saving or the cost.

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Speaker 2: Saving that your referenced yesterday? And I just wanted to understand.

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Speaker 1: James was listening. A long time listener, first time caller.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Thank you, James the whole style James cald

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