1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: The COVID Royal Commission. So we now got the terms 2 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: of reference for Phase two. Use of vaccines and lockdowns 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: will be investigated also whether a reasonable balance was struck 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: between public safety and economic disruption. The Internal Fairs Minister 5 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: Brook van Belden's in Chargeable Or Thisten. 6 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 2: Is with us. 7 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: Good morning, Mike Grant Illingworth, ca C Judith Kavanah and 8 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: Anthony Hill. Who are they and why do you pick them? Well? 9 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 2: I picked some because I think they're all outstanding New 10 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 2: Zealanders who have a broad ranges specialization within a litigation. 11 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 2: Grant Illingworth Casey is a highly regarded being through all 12 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 2: aspects of the Privy Council, Supreme Court, Court of Appeal, 13 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 2: done lots of litigation cases and brings that skill set 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 2: to the table. Judy Kavana decades worth of experience in 15 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: economics and Anthony Hill huge experience in public health. And 16 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: this is the broad range of skills that should be 17 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 2: looking into what we should do from here to have 18 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: lessons learned for a future pandemic looking at the decisions 19 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: made by the previous government. Now, one thing I want 20 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: to make really clear is this is what an Act 21 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 2: campaigned on it's what we're now delivering, but it's been 22 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 2: based on what ki We's wanted, which was to expand 23 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: the terms of reference based on what we didn't believe 24 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: was adequately addressed in what's now Phase one of the 25 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 2: Commission looking into the vaccine mandates, which we know had 26 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 2: a huge detrimental impact of people who weren't able to 27 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 2: go to the family member's funerals for example, bit of work, 28 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: but also people concerned it what that impact had on 29 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: the idea children's education, being able to have business activity, 30 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 2: Whether or not we've got that balance right between people 31 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 2: not being able to get. 32 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: Briceletted we didn't was we're living in the third recession 33 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: in two years, where one of the most hopeless economies 34 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: in the world. But here's your question when you talk 35 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: to them about a reasonable balance, define reasonable balance, and 36 00:01:58,320 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: that's what. 37 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 2: The commissioners will have to weigh up. Were the decisions 38 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: that were taken by the government at the time based 39 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,679 Speaker 2: on information that the government was presented, Did they use 40 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 2: that information or did they discard it? What was that 41 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 2: balance versus what other countries and jurisdictions were doing, and 42 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: whether or not they actually got it right. Now, I 43 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 2: know a lot of New Zealanders will say, no, we 44 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: didn't get it right. But what we're asking these three 45 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: commissioners to do is delve into the facts and come 46 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 2: up with recommendations for the future. They'll be independent, going 47 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: away for over a year, getting evidence, bringing submissions from 48 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: members of the public, who I hope we'll be able 49 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 2: to submit their thoughts on this inquiry too, and actually 50 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: come to the truth of the matter. 51 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: Okay, super quick, is your labor reform going to sort 52 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: the Uber case and cases like it or not? 53 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: But I can't talk about any particular case that might 54 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: be before the courts. But what we are clear on 55 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 2: is that even this court case has created on certainty 56 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 2: for contractors, buy and large in our economy. What I'm 57 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 2: hoping to do is create a bit of clarity between 58 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: what does that divide between an employee and a contractor, 59 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 2: so that businesses and workers can actually have more certainty 60 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 2: on those barriers. 61 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: Good go well with Brook van Velden, Internal Affairs Minister. 62 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: For more from the My Asking Breakfast, listen live to 63 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 1: news talks that'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 64 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.