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Speaker 1: We got a new resilience index when it comes to

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Speaker 1: infrastructure this morning. This is different At the government's planned

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Speaker 1: Auckland and Northland turns out of the most vulnerable regions.

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Speaker 1: We're looking at things like energy, roads, water, communications, all

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Speaker 1: that sort of thing. Murray Robinson is the down and

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Speaker 1: Managing Director for this country and well there's Murray morning good.

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Speaker 1: So one of the reports says more proactive investment. That's

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Speaker 1: a mindset shift in this country because we're ambulance at

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Speaker 1: the bottom of the cliff people, aren't we.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that, as Minister Bishop just talked about,

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Speaker 2: it's actually getting the data right and making sure that

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Speaker 2: we're looking at proactive investment. I think you know, the

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Speaker 2: findings of this report, as you pointed out, you know,

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Speaker 2: do highlight Auckland and Northland being exposed and that's really

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Speaker 2: driven by our resilience or lack of in terms of electricity,

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Speaker 2: which the other infrastructs our sectors really rely on.

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Speaker 1: Are we exposed Auckland and Northland for different region. Is

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Speaker 1: Northland a bit of a sketchy region. It's rural, it's isolated.

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Speaker 1: Auckland's just a big city with its big city problems.

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Speaker 1: Or are they all the same problems.

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Speaker 2: The main issue really that Auckland and Northland face is

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Speaker 2: the reliance on electricity, which as you know lastly comes

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Speaker 2: from hydro in the south. So it's the distance from

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Speaker 2: those electricity transmission lines compounded by the I guess the

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Speaker 2: increasing amount of heavy weather events fixed.

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Speaker 1: Once we have the solar and the batteries and the wind.

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Speaker 2: I think the reality is that hydro is such a

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Speaker 2: large contribution to that. So the key thing there is

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Speaker 2: actually trying to get that reticulation closer to those key networks.

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Speaker 1: Okay, do you think we'll ever do that? Do you

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Speaker 1: think we're capable as you sit as in New Zealand

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Speaker 1: and Murray, do you think we're genuinely capable of grasping

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Speaker 1: the enormity of what we have and doing something about

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Speaker 1: it as opposed to just talking about it?

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Speaker 2: No, I do you know do? I think New Zealand

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Speaker 2: has an amazing ability to you know, put in place

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Speaker 2: strong plans. And I think if you talk about what

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Speaker 2: mister Bishop Dicks explained, I think getting that data right

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Speaker 2: is really key. And I think the balance of proactive

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Speaker 2: banks and it's is really really key. It's one of

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Speaker 2: the key findings that this report is getting that right,

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Speaker 2: and as you know in the truck plan that's coming out,

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Speaker 2: it's getting the balance of that proactive maintenance with the

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Speaker 2: right rebuilding, building back better.

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Speaker 1: All right, Murray, appreciate your time very much. Murray Robinson,

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Speaker 1: who's the down in managing director.

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