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Speaker 2: All Right, you're great, New Zealanders.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Mattin Tyler arternoons on zb Full Show podcast.

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Speaker 3: Two hours of entertainment sit before you at the gym

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Speaker 3: or at your workplace or wherever you're listening to it,

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Speaker 3: including a lot of chat about alcohol and Dunedin at

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Speaker 3: a fashion show.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a great hour and a half. That

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Speaker 4: was We're only going to do it for an hour,

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Speaker 4: but it was a little bit spicy. Was some good debate,

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Speaker 4: good debate, and we like that.

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Speaker 3: Me and someone called Molly, we fired up at each other.

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Speaker 3: Tell her what she was repeating herself, and I told

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Speaker 3: her this is my show. She's not true, it's actually

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Speaker 3: our show. Yeah, it's yours, Tyler mine an Andrew show.

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Speaker 2: That's who show it is.

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Speaker 4: But but great, great show through my toys.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, this is my show. So you can't just lecture

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Speaker 2: us with your.

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Speaker 4: Boring oh stuff. Anyway, you're gonna want to listen to that.

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Speaker 4: That was an enjoyable part of the show for you.

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Speaker 4: Plus engagement rings because this is something that I'm dealing

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Speaker 4: with at the moment, and I raised the question. You know,

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Speaker 4: I'm about to at some stage of the next twelve

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Speaker 4: months proposed to my partner. May bless you. I'm worried

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Speaker 4: about the ring. Do I go lab grow and do

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Speaker 4: I take it down with me?

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Speaker 2: I like this.

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Speaker 3: I like that you're planning it, but it's out there

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Speaker 3: and you're talking about it on.

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Speaker 4: Surprise.

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Speaker 3: That is the most romantic thing you can do, talk

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Speaker 3: about your engagement ring on news talks.

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Speaker 2: He'd be afternoon, That's what I do.

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Speaker 4: I'm a hopeless romantic.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, enjoy the show and give me a taste a

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Speaker 3: kiwi from mass All right, okay, then you seem busy.

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Speaker 1: You're new home for insightful and enter teening talk. It's

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Speaker 1: Maddie and Tyler Adams afternoons on.

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Speaker 4: News Talk Zebby. It's very good afternoon to you. Welcome

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Speaker 4: to Wednesday. I hope you're having a great week. Middle

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Speaker 4: of the week. It's a short week. Maddie, get a mate.

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Speaker 3: I'm having a great, great, great morning. I want to

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Speaker 3: share a little story about a sandwich in a second.

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Speaker 3: But before we were talking about, you know, the massive

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Speaker 3: pile of salt and total on it near the bay over.

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Speaker 4: Everyone knows the massive pile of saltan tot on.

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Speaker 3: Every time I go past there, every time, I commentated, go,

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Speaker 3: I'm a cricket to go down there. I look at

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Speaker 3: that big pile of salt and I go, how come

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Speaker 3: it doesn't disappear in the rain. And it's a very

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Speaker 3: simple answer. We were talking about this before with Rowena

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Speaker 3: because I asked es I teast that. Basically, it's just

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Speaker 3: that it's the concentration Rainwater is typically not saturated with salt.

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Speaker 3: When it rains, the amount of water is not enough

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Speaker 3: to saturate it. So for example, if you had a

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Speaker 3: then it would stop doing something. So it just goes

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Speaker 3: on the outside and it dissolves just the top layer,

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Speaker 4: Makes sense.

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Speaker 3: You're very saturational, so it's quite as on the afternoons

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Speaker 3: it news talk z'd be. But yeah, I just want

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Speaker 3: to talk about when someone in your life makes you

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Speaker 3: a sandwich for lunch. As my lovely partner Tracy made

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Speaker 3: kind of you're disrespecting that situation.

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Speaker 4: You were throwing that love in their face.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you are so.

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Speaker 3: Tracy made me a sandwich this morning and she said

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Speaker 3: And I was actually late for work, but I lost

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Speaker 3: I thought I had a polter guys that had stolen

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Speaker 4: And does Tracy know abouts I don't know. Well she

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Speaker 3: But boy, that that was a really rough start today

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Speaker 4: I mean I shouldn't laugh too much. I do that

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Speaker 4: I lose a lot of stuff in the pity. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: on to the show today after three o'clock, we're going

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Speaker 4: to be talking about your dignity. Dignity no sorry, diamonds.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, right, okay, Yeah, So a woman found out

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Speaker 3: This is obviously the stream end of cheapness. But what

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Speaker 3: Greg Hollan told my costing this morning, you can't tell

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Speaker 3: So if you can't tell the difference, who can? Or

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Speaker 3: then it's not the way it looks. It's saying, look,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to hurt our financial.

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Speaker 3: Prospects this much by spending this much on a ring.

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Speaker 3: So if you if you gave someone an engagement ring

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Speaker 2: Or should it not matter?

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Speaker 3: And you should just be able to put a burger

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Speaker 4: Big questions, What was the old tradition that you as

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Speaker 2: Was that three months, three months. Yeah, so engagement ring

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Speaker 4: So A Tigo Polytechnic School of Fashion student, Tagan Rose

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Speaker 4: as part of her honors research, and as part of

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Speaker 4: Alongside the fashion show, she wanted to serve a bit

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Speaker 3: That to me, that seems like it's got absolutely nothing

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Speaker 2: So it's to question her motives and to question her

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Speaker 3: She's running a charity, she's doing a charity event, she's

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Speaker 3: whether she can sell alcohol there and a wider question

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Speaker 3: on this, can you run any kind of charity without alcohol?

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Speaker 2: Very hard to get people to turn up to a charity.

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Speaker 4: Because right now we want to talk about chronic school absence.

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Speaker 3: So if you have kids that want to stay home

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's extremes in this issue, isn't there We

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Speaker 2: So how do you make them go to school?

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Speaker 3: Well when they weren't being shut down by COVID restrictions

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Speaker 3: I've never really, it's never been a discussion that they

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Speaker 3: You have to go to school, there's no exceptions, you

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Speaker 4: But the consequence is outweighed for your kids. Clearly, if

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Speaker 3: I just feel like we would never have allowed the

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Speaker 2: You have to go to you have to go to school.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, what passes the threshold of a good

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Speaker 6: And there's a lot of different let's call it pressure.

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Speaker 2: You've got to take the phone off the kids.

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Speaker 4: Great caller. Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 9: The Education Review Office claims chronically absent students cost the

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Speaker 4: News Talk zib It's News Talk ZEDB. It's twenty eight

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Speaker 4: So really keen to hear your experiences as a parent,

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Speaker 3: Amelia you've got two kids at school, what are your

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Speaker 3: thoughts on getting them to go?

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Speaker 11: Oh, Cura, guys, thinks for opening up this conversation, I

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Speaker 11: think it's a really good one to be having. I

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Speaker 11: haven't really had a lot of experience with my kids

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Speaker 11: not wanting to go. But of course there's the occasional

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Speaker 11: sort of like I've got to saw tummy, and you're

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Speaker 11: sort of risking, like do you not believe them in

445
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Speaker 11: or some puking everywhere or send them in hope for

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Speaker 11: the best. And I did have an occasion where my

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Speaker 11: oldest child convinced me she was unwell in the morning,

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Speaker 11: only to confess later on in the day that she

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Speaker 11: actually had lied about feeling unwell. And I kind of

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Speaker 11: was a bit worried about what to do about this,

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Speaker 11: obviously not wanting to create a pattern of this kind

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Speaker 11: of behavior and it might be really mean. But I

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Speaker 11: actually messaged the principle and I said, look, this is

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Speaker 11: a situation shed to me about being sack and I'd

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Speaker 11: really like her to come and explain herself to you,

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Speaker 11: which felt quite full on for a six year old,

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Speaker 11: But at the same time, it's like you just want

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Speaker 11: to nip it in the bud and the principle was fantastic,

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Speaker 11: made it really easy for her to be honest about it,

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Speaker 11: and to this day we definitely not had another problem

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Speaker 11: like that. Again, you know, he wasn't He did the

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Speaker 11: exact right things and kind of understood the situation. And

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Speaker 11: I think it was a really good way of teaching

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Speaker 11: your accountability because you know, if the kids are lying

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Speaker 11: and then you're lying on their behalf, I you know,

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Speaker 11: they need to understand that that's not good for you

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Speaker 11: as a parent either. And so yeah, I think that

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Speaker 11: that was that she worked out quite well.

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Speaker 3: Meanly, that's you sound like a great a great mum

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Speaker 3: gratulations on that. I think that telling the truth is

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Speaker 3: a really really important thing. And I think as soon

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Speaker 3: as you if your child ever sees you lying on

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Speaker 3: their behalf for the school, or you tell your kid

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Speaker 3: that they go to school and say that this was

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Speaker 3: the issue when it was not the issue, then I

476
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Speaker 3: think that's the worst. That's one of the worst things

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Speaker 3: you can do, because then you set up a thing

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Speaker 3: where they can lie to you, they can lie to

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Speaker 3: the school, and then they don't necessarily trust you going forward.

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Speaker 2: And it's at it amazing because you only need to

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Speaker 2: do a.

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Speaker 3: Couple of things like that, A couple of really, which

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Speaker 3: as you said, is quite would have been quite full

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Speaker 3: on and imagine quite hard for you to do that

485
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Speaker 3: talking to the princip Yeah, but that kind of action

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Speaker 3: it has doesn't take that many times. I mean, there's

487
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Speaker 3: kids that have serious problems and it might take some more,

488
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Speaker 3: but for most kids, it doesn't take too many of

489
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Speaker 3: those those times when you do something like that to

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Speaker 3: really make a change in the way they see the world.

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Speaker 11: Absolutely, And you know, like she was mortified that she

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Speaker 11: had to do that, even if she really was fair

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Speaker 11: votes you know, she was so up there. But she

494
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Speaker 11: still talks about it now and han't made us feel

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Speaker 11: and I think we always kind of drill into her. Look,

496
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Speaker 11: everybody makes mistakes, everybody makes a bad call. What makes

497
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Speaker 11: you the person who are is what you then do

498
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Speaker 11: once you've made a mistake. Do you own up to it,

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Speaker 11: do you own it? Do you take accountability? And that's

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Speaker 11: actually the things that are in your control. But Mummy

501
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Speaker 11: makes mistakes that he makes it. Everyone is going to

502
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Speaker 11: stuff up at some point, But it's how you address

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Speaker 11: it afterwards that truly is kiss the person you know

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Speaker 11: what I mean, And so that was kind of the

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Speaker 11: idea behind it as well, like, yeah, you made a mistake,

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Speaker 11: but that's not the worst part. The worst part would

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Speaker 11: be to continue to lie or you know, And so

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Speaker 11: that's what a lot about that. But also, you know,

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Speaker 11: as you say, so often kids like after a holiday,

510
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Speaker 11: you don't want to go back, but as soon as

511
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Speaker 11: you're there for like ten minutes, you remember that, hey,

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Speaker 11: it's actually great and good fun and things like that.

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Speaker 11: And in terms of the bullying thing, well, you know,

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Speaker 11: that's the problem that needs to be owned by the

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Speaker 11: school as much as the parent. And so as you

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Speaker 11: were saying, I totally agree that, you know, you really

517
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Speaker 11: need to the school needs to take some accountability for

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Speaker 11: not creating a safe space to your kids to be.

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Speaker 11: And if that's truly a problem, that's nothing that's going

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Speaker 11: to be sold between the parent and the child anyway.

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Speaker 11: That's a kind of much more of a holistic, a

522
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Speaker 11: holistic you needs to be taken on things likes to

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Speaker 11: be a bullying of that nature.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean, the world gets the worse place

525
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Speaker 3: if we take our kids out of school and hide

526
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Speaker 3: them from bullies as opposed to confronting the issue of

527
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Speaker 3: the bully head on. And as complex as that issue is,

528
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Speaker 3: and it's very very complex, And if you're a parent

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Speaker 3: and your kids being bullied, then to keep your cool

530
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Speaker 3: whund that situation is very, very very difficult. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: consistency is a really important thing I think with parenting.

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Speaker 3: And as she I'll tell a story and it might

533
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Speaker 3: see trivial. I'll tell it next. It might seem trivial,

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Speaker 3: but it's a piece of parenting that I slapped myself

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Speaker 3: on the back for getting right. I've got a lot

536
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Speaker 3: of things wrong, but there's one thing I got really right.

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Speaker 4: Okay, very good, Emelia, thank you very much. As Matt said,

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Speaker 4: you're a great mum, and good on the principle as well.

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Speaker 4: You know that makes a big difference bringing the principal

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Speaker 4: on board and seem very caring and understanding too a

541
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Speaker 4: certain extent. We're going to carry you this on very shortly.

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Speaker 4: It is twenty six minutes to do. You're listening to

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Speaker 4: Matt and Tyler. Good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 12: Jus talk said be headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

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Speaker 12: The Secondary Teachers Union says schools desperately need support with

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Speaker 12: chronic absence and the government shouldn't be funding charter schools

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Speaker 12: more at Enzen Herald Premium now back to matt Ethan

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Speaker 12: Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much. Raylene Henry, how are you the

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Speaker 4: safer tonight?

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Speaker 13: Okay, Tyler hate Man, Yeah, not too, bey mate. You know,

568
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Speaker 13: my kids they all kind of enjoyed school. They went

569
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Speaker 13: to school through the eighty and so my boys they

570
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Speaker 13: all went to a boys' school and my daughter went

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Speaker 13: to a girls school. But yeah, they kind of like

572
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Speaker 13: you know, rugby and then three days a week they

573
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Speaker 13: got to go to the girls school and do cooking

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Speaker 13: and stuff, and you know, they weren't really they all

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Speaker 13: went to sixth form, so.

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Speaker 7: They were right.

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Speaker 13: But today I just wanted to say, so where I

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Speaker 13: live in a small kind of city in the North Island,

579
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Speaker 13: and so I'm retired and I go running most days.

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Speaker 13: But there's this high school and across the road from

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Speaker 13: as the park in the stadium, and most days of

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Speaker 13: the week you can go down there and there's like

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Speaker 13: ten fifteen college kids and they were all out there

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Speaker 13: and they're just smoking weed, you know, they're just the

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Speaker 13: school can't see them. And I'll ring the school and

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Speaker 13: the lady you know at the death said, oh yeah,

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Speaker 13: you know, we get a lot of complaints, but there's

588
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Speaker 13: nothing we can do. So you know, kids are going

589
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Speaker 13: to school, but they're still bunking at school anyway.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the schools don't necessarily have the resources to

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Speaker 3: do anything about it because you.

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Speaker 13: Know, these kids, some of them were on the roof

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Speaker 13: and like you know, if you're appearing and you come

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Speaker 13: home and the school ring and say, oh, your kild

595
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Speaker 13: fell off the roof and what was he doing over there?

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Speaker 4: It's a tough one though, isn't it, Henry. And you

597
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Speaker 4: know a lot people will will back at me saying

598
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Speaker 4: I'm being a bit woke here, But to me, it

599
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Speaker 4: is a wide community issue that to solve the issue

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Speaker 4: for some of these kids, you need everybody on boards.

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Speaker 4: You need the families, you need the schools, you need

602
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Speaker 4: the wider community. There are families out there that need

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Speaker 4: genuine help to make sure the kid keeps going to school.

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Speaker 4: And if they're not going to school, go out and

605
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Speaker 4: make something of themselves in this life, get a trade,

606
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Speaker 4: go to polytech, whatever it is. So it's not as

607
00:27:53,693 --> 00:27:57,293
Speaker 4: simple for everyone out there that hey, just get some

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Speaker 4: discipline and make sure your kid goes to school. For

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Speaker 4: some families, I get it, it's not that simple. They've

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Speaker 4: got a real problem on their hands trying to get

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Speaker 4: their kids to go to school.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes that's the extreme end of it. But what I'm

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Speaker 3: saying is every parent, no matter whether they've got difficulties

614
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Speaker 3: or don't have difficulties or whatever the situation, every parent

615
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Speaker 3: has to have the battle at some point. Yeah, Greg

616
00:28:19,013 --> 00:28:21,573
Speaker 3: grand before and said he never had the battle, but

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Speaker 3: you have to address it even if you don't have

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Speaker 3: any problems at some point making your kids go to

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Speaker 3: school and getting the things right.

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Speaker 2: I was talking before about a.

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Speaker 3: Piece of fantastic parenting by me that I wanted to

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Speaker 3: show off about. But we don't have time for it now,

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Speaker 3: do we.

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Speaker 4: Well, we're going to do it very shortly. Henry, thank

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Speaker 4: you very much for me. You made a good point.

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Speaker 2: We don't even have to punish people with my story

627
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Speaker 2: about myself to take it over.

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Speaker 4: It's coming up, mate, it's coming up. You just you wait,

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Speaker 4: you wait your turn.

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Speaker 2: People are on tenderhoks for me to talk about what

631
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Speaker 2: a great parent, how are you?

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Speaker 14: I'm going to cause a lot of issues to everybody. Oh,

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Speaker 14: I've been in the education system and I make a

634
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Speaker 14: teacher of movie, so I don't teach. I teach a tool.

635
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Speaker 14: Now I'm not at schools. I've got a primary and

636
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Speaker 14: a secondary teacher in the family, one of them thinking

637
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Speaker 14: of believing the other ones getting to a stage where

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Speaker 14: it's just too much. People can think of say everything

639
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Speaker 14: they like. But there is nothing wrong with the schools.

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Speaker 14: The teacher's been over backwards. If you knew all the

641
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Speaker 14: rules about the students, they just don't want to go

642
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Speaker 14: to school full strap, they had COVID. They don't want

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Speaker 14: to get out of their bedroom, and they don't want

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Speaker 14: to get on a bus, and they actually don't want

645
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Speaker 14: to sit to school and learn. And it's all right

646
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Speaker 14: to say this, to say that, to go on and on.

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Speaker 14: No mother can put a six foot forkid in her

648
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Speaker 14: car and say get to school. It's a chronic problem. Yeah,

649
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Speaker 14: but you got now I'm saying it from the cold phrase.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's that's true.

651
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Speaker 3: And by the time the kids six foot four, then

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Speaker 3: that might be getting a little bit late in terms

653
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Speaker 3: of your influence on the on the child. It's probably

654
00:30:24,573 --> 00:30:26,973
Speaker 3: better to get them when they're five foot if you can,

655
00:30:27,173 --> 00:30:30,653
Speaker 3: if you can instill in them what you expect of them.

656
00:30:30,853 --> 00:30:33,013
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm not saying it's easy and when it

657
00:30:33,053 --> 00:30:35,853
Speaker 3: comes to parenting, I think you can be lucky as

658
00:30:35,893 --> 00:30:38,733
Speaker 3: well that your kids for whatever reason, as much as

659
00:30:38,733 --> 00:30:41,813
Speaker 3: as you're amazing parenting, but you can also be lucky

660
00:30:41,853 --> 00:30:44,413
Speaker 3: that they happen to enjoy school or the right things

661
00:30:44,453 --> 00:30:45,973
Speaker 3: happen at school for them that they want to go

662
00:30:46,053 --> 00:30:49,333
Speaker 3: along as well. You've got there's a lot of luck

663
00:30:49,373 --> 00:30:49,933
Speaker 3: in it as well.

664
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Speaker 4: But it's just quickly, isn't there part of childhood is

665
00:30:53,933 --> 00:30:58,133
Speaker 4: that as a child, let me, let me just finish

666
00:30:58,173 --> 00:30:59,453
Speaker 4: what I was going to say and then I'll get

667
00:30:59,533 --> 00:31:03,053
Speaker 4: your response as a child. As a child, isn't it

668
00:31:03,093 --> 00:31:07,533
Speaker 4: important that you have to acknowledge or learn that sometimes

669
00:31:07,573 --> 00:31:09,333
Speaker 4: you do things you don't want to do, but you

670
00:31:09,453 --> 00:31:11,533
Speaker 4: do those things because it's going to be beneficial for

671
00:31:11,573 --> 00:31:12,413
Speaker 4: you in the long run.

672
00:31:13,773 --> 00:31:16,413
Speaker 14: Well, yes, I agree you, But who's going to show

673
00:31:16,453 --> 00:31:16,853
Speaker 14: them that?

674
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Speaker 4: You don't think there's people within the school system to

675
00:31:20,413 --> 00:31:21,173
Speaker 4: do that anymore.

676
00:31:21,453 --> 00:31:23,933
Speaker 14: It's nothing to do with the school system. There's nothing

677
00:31:23,973 --> 00:31:28,733
Speaker 14: wrong with the schools. If you knew the rules of

678
00:31:28,813 --> 00:31:33,373
Speaker 14: the school, what's the students and you knew them, and

679
00:31:33,413 --> 00:31:39,373
Speaker 14: you knew the jurisdiction they're under of treating these students

680
00:31:40,093 --> 00:31:47,173
Speaker 14: in absolutely brilliant therapeutic manner. I hate to tell you

681
00:31:49,213 --> 00:31:52,493
Speaker 14: that it has nothing to do with the teachers.

682
00:31:52,133 --> 00:31:52,813
Speaker 6: Or the school.

683
00:31:53,133 --> 00:31:55,693
Speaker 4: Right, well, let's thank you very much, really appreciate you

684
00:31:55,813 --> 00:31:59,693
Speaker 4: calling in. Tea's coming through one nine two nine two.

685
00:31:59,733 --> 00:32:01,613
Speaker 4: I'm going to get to a couple of those very shortly.

686
00:32:01,693 --> 00:32:03,213
Speaker 4: It is seventeen minutes to two.

687
00:32:04,933 --> 00:32:08,093
Speaker 1: Mattie Tyler Adams with you as your afternoon rolls are

688
00:32:09,133 --> 00:32:10,613
Speaker 1: Taylor Adams afternoons.

689
00:32:10,813 --> 00:32:13,653
Speaker 4: US talk said, be very good afternoon to year. It's

690
00:32:13,693 --> 00:32:14,493
Speaker 4: fourteen to two.

691
00:32:14,653 --> 00:32:17,053
Speaker 3: We're talking about the truancy rates in New Zealand and

692
00:32:17,093 --> 00:32:21,573
Speaker 3: they're not good. But even at the extremes, you know, sorry,

693
00:32:21,613 --> 00:32:23,613
Speaker 3: at the extremes, it's very hard to deal with. But

694
00:32:23,693 --> 00:32:26,853
Speaker 3: even even just every day people with kids that are

695
00:32:26,853 --> 00:32:29,333
Speaker 3: generally pretty good still have to deal with getting them

696
00:32:29,373 --> 00:32:31,133
Speaker 3: to school every day. And I just want to talk

697
00:32:31,133 --> 00:32:34,053
Speaker 3: about a great piece of parenting that I did here.

698
00:32:34,133 --> 00:32:34,653
Speaker 4: We get it.

699
00:32:35,573 --> 00:32:37,813
Speaker 3: It's a great piece of parenting and it's not about truancy,

700
00:32:37,853 --> 00:32:39,973
Speaker 3: but it's about what I believe. And this is because

701
00:32:39,973 --> 00:32:41,773
Speaker 3: the mother and children made me watch one episode of

702
00:32:41,773 --> 00:32:43,133
Speaker 3: Super Nanni before our kids came out.

703
00:32:43,413 --> 00:32:45,853
Speaker 4: It was great, It really really helped. She was tough.

704
00:32:46,133 --> 00:32:46,773
Speaker 2: It really helped.

705
00:32:46,813 --> 00:32:48,653
Speaker 3: And what it was, if you're going to say something,

706
00:32:48,773 --> 00:32:50,573
Speaker 3: if you're going to make a threat, then you follow

707
00:32:50,613 --> 00:32:54,493
Speaker 3: through with it. You don't get into negotiations. And we

708
00:32:54,573 --> 00:32:56,613
Speaker 3: had this thing. We took kids to the movies, and

709
00:32:56,653 --> 00:32:58,973
Speaker 3: you take them to the movies. This is when one

710
00:32:58,973 --> 00:33:00,973
Speaker 3: of my kids was four and one was six. Talk

711
00:33:00,973 --> 00:33:02,693
Speaker 3: them to the movies, jumping up and down the seats,

712
00:33:02,773 --> 00:33:06,013
Speaker 3: running around, talking in the movies. And we said, if

713
00:33:06,053 --> 00:33:08,093
Speaker 3: you don't sit down and be quiet and watch the movie,

714
00:33:08,133 --> 00:33:12,413
Speaker 3: then we leave the movie. And then this was at

715
00:33:12,453 --> 00:33:15,373
Speaker 3: I sage four, and so this was at the start

716
00:33:15,373 --> 00:33:15,813
Speaker 3: of the movie.

717
00:33:16,053 --> 00:33:18,013
Speaker 2: Kids didn't do it. They were jumping around, and we

718
00:33:18,053 --> 00:33:19,693
Speaker 2: just grabbed them and left the movie.

719
00:33:19,653 --> 00:33:22,653
Speaker 4: First morning, not even even three strikes as straight away.

720
00:33:22,733 --> 00:33:25,293
Speaker 3: That's how we operated. No strikes, We say something, and

721
00:33:25,733 --> 00:33:27,933
Speaker 3: we and we did it. And it was painful because

722
00:33:27,933 --> 00:33:29,373
Speaker 3: I wanted to watch the movie and so I was

723
00:33:29,413 --> 00:33:29,853
Speaker 3: walking out.

724
00:33:29,853 --> 00:33:30,613
Speaker 4: It was a good movie.

725
00:33:30,693 --> 00:33:32,373
Speaker 2: But the kids still talk about it to this day.

726
00:33:32,413 --> 00:33:34,733
Speaker 2: They knew at that point, they knew that we were serious.

727
00:33:35,613 --> 00:33:36,293
Speaker 2: We were serious.

728
00:33:36,333 --> 00:33:38,293
Speaker 3: We would walk out of a movie and and the

729
00:33:38,293 --> 00:33:39,973
Speaker 3: popcorn would be thrown in the bin on the way

730
00:33:39,973 --> 00:33:41,573
Speaker 3: out and you wouldn't get anything gone home.

731
00:33:41,613 --> 00:33:44,133
Speaker 4: Oh you didn't even take the popcorn was thrown out

732
00:33:44,173 --> 00:33:46,373
Speaker 4: and super Nanny Heath, who would have thought.

733
00:33:46,413 --> 00:33:49,573
Speaker 3: The the no sugar coat was heffed in the rubbish

734
00:33:49,893 --> 00:33:51,053
Speaker 3: were on the way home.

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Speaker 4: Get a Jeff here, good mate.

736
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Speaker 15: I was trying to say, was the beginning. I didn't

737
00:33:58,333 --> 00:34:01,293
Speaker 15: have a problem about getting my two boys to school.

738
00:34:01,493 --> 00:34:01,733
Speaker 4: Yep.

739
00:34:01,933 --> 00:34:07,213
Speaker 15: Now when it come to school morning, clothes were laid out,

740
00:34:07,613 --> 00:34:12,293
Speaker 15: lunch is how to beid you guys, you're going to school.

741
00:34:12,533 --> 00:34:13,893
Speaker 15: That's an end of story.

742
00:34:14,093 --> 00:34:14,413
Speaker 4: Easy.

743
00:34:14,853 --> 00:34:19,253
Speaker 15: So I was reasonably forced for about that. The problem

744
00:34:19,253 --> 00:34:22,173
Speaker 15: in my head that I did a care within the

745
00:34:22,213 --> 00:34:28,853
Speaker 15: school was my eldest boy was getting bollied now, so

746
00:34:29,013 --> 00:34:32,093
Speaker 15: I thought, right, I'm going to go up the school

747
00:34:32,493 --> 00:34:34,933
Speaker 15: and I had to talk to this for the headmaster

748
00:34:35,533 --> 00:34:38,573
Speaker 15: or the guy in charge of the school, and I said, hey,

749
00:34:38,853 --> 00:34:43,933
Speaker 15: my son loved school, but he's very reluctant to go

750
00:34:44,213 --> 00:34:47,733
Speaker 15: at the moment because he's getting bollied. Now, what are

751
00:34:47,773 --> 00:34:52,172
Speaker 15: we going to do about it? So I said to him,

752
00:34:52,213 --> 00:34:55,692
Speaker 15: I'm not going to tolerate this. You do something about it,

753
00:34:56,573 --> 00:35:00,093
Speaker 15: or leering the Minister of Education and we'll see what

754
00:35:00,133 --> 00:35:01,093
Speaker 15: they can do about it.

755
00:35:01,573 --> 00:35:03,973
Speaker 4: And you got some resolution on that pretty fast yet.

756
00:35:05,093 --> 00:35:07,253
Speaker 15: Yeah, I got onto it fast because I'm not going

757
00:35:07,253 --> 00:35:10,172
Speaker 15: to put up with that. I was I was never

758
00:35:10,293 --> 00:35:14,693
Speaker 15: bullied because, believe you me, the bullies then and my

759
00:35:14,933 --> 00:35:16,093
Speaker 15: days got bullied.

760
00:35:16,933 --> 00:35:17,133
Speaker 13: Yeah.

761
00:35:17,173 --> 00:35:19,252
Speaker 4: Well, good on you, Jeff is standing up for your boy.

762
00:35:19,333 --> 00:35:22,013
Speaker 3: And you've definitely if there's bullying at school, keeping your

763
00:35:22,053 --> 00:35:23,613
Speaker 3: kids out of school is not the answer. Going to

764
00:35:23,613 --> 00:35:25,893
Speaker 3: the school and dealing with it and getting the school

765
00:35:25,893 --> 00:35:28,253
Speaker 3: to deal with the bullies. And schools are generally pretty

766
00:35:28,253 --> 00:35:29,853
Speaker 3: good with this kind of stuff if you if you

767
00:35:29,893 --> 00:35:31,693
Speaker 3: approach them and talk to them about it.

768
00:35:31,773 --> 00:35:36,172
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you very much. Chief kid a Jared, Yeah, yeah,

769
00:35:36,253 --> 00:35:37,732
Speaker 4: very well. What's your take on this one?

770
00:35:39,613 --> 00:35:42,973
Speaker 16: I just want to just treet me upon wrong because

771
00:35:43,013 --> 00:35:45,573
Speaker 16: I was the sort of hooked me into phony. So

772
00:35:46,293 --> 00:35:49,613
Speaker 16: was her stance that the schools essentially aren't at fault

773
00:35:50,133 --> 00:35:52,293
Speaker 16: and we shouldn't be looking to them for blame.

774
00:35:52,413 --> 00:35:52,933
Speaker 17: Is that right?

775
00:35:53,973 --> 00:35:54,172
Speaker 5: Yeah?

776
00:35:54,493 --> 00:35:56,253
Speaker 3: She was pretty much saying that that the schools were

777
00:35:56,293 --> 00:35:59,293
Speaker 3: doing doing things right and it was just the kids

778
00:35:59,293 --> 00:36:02,093
Speaker 3: that were uncontrollable and we're just doing what they wanted

779
00:36:02,133 --> 00:36:02,333
Speaker 3: to do.

780
00:36:03,333 --> 00:36:05,413
Speaker 16: Yeah, I thought it was obviously being on hold and

781
00:36:05,493 --> 00:36:08,533
Speaker 16: miss of it, but that got up my go and

782
00:36:08,573 --> 00:36:13,613
Speaker 16: hawk vans. I have two daughters, one seventeen finishing school

783
00:36:13,693 --> 00:36:17,573
Speaker 16: last day today and one is sixteen and love school,

784
00:36:17,613 --> 00:36:22,853
Speaker 16: and they both go to different schools. So my oldest

785
00:36:22,973 --> 00:36:26,573
Speaker 16: daughter has been a little bit hit and miss around

786
00:36:27,373 --> 00:36:30,453
Speaker 16: attending school. And you know, I certainly had some of

787
00:36:30,493 --> 00:36:34,853
Speaker 16: the conversations with her and her little sister at times,

788
00:36:34,893 --> 00:36:37,373
Speaker 16: and so I sort of made it a rule as well,

789
00:36:37,813 --> 00:36:39,493
Speaker 16: you know, yes, you might be sick, but you have

790
00:36:39,533 --> 00:36:41,613
Speaker 16: to turn up and if you can basically convince the

791
00:36:41,693 --> 00:36:44,373
Speaker 16: nurse that you're sick and they phone me, then you

792
00:36:44,413 --> 00:36:47,652
Speaker 16: can come home instead of you know, no worries, you

793
00:36:47,693 --> 00:36:50,573
Speaker 16: can stay home. So I've been through that stuff. But

794
00:36:50,773 --> 00:36:57,172
Speaker 16: my my oldest daughter was, I mean essentially truant at

795
00:36:57,253 --> 00:37:00,933
Speaker 16: least once a week, every single week this year. And

796
00:37:01,733 --> 00:37:04,293
Speaker 16: I just got sick of the automated email from the

797
00:37:04,373 --> 00:37:07,853
Speaker 16: school saying, please you know your child has been sick

798
00:37:07,933 --> 00:37:11,493
Speaker 16: for or being marched, true, and please send an explanation.

799
00:37:11,693 --> 00:37:14,172
Speaker 16: And I never did because I never had an explanation.

800
00:37:14,613 --> 00:37:15,733
Speaker 16: Was why aren't you at school?

801
00:37:15,773 --> 00:37:16,973
Speaker 17: And oh no, I was.

802
00:37:16,933 --> 00:37:20,293
Speaker 16: They must have missed me in class and excuse after excuse,

803
00:37:20,333 --> 00:37:23,252
Speaker 16: and they got to the point with the emails where

804
00:37:23,293 --> 00:37:27,093
Speaker 16: I emailed this went back and said, you know, essentially,

805
00:37:27,253 --> 00:37:30,253
Speaker 16: after receiving one of these every single week, when does

806
00:37:30,293 --> 00:37:32,772
Speaker 16: the school take it upon itself to enforce some form

807
00:37:32,773 --> 00:37:36,973
Speaker 16: of discipline process. And they were very quick to come

808
00:37:37,013 --> 00:37:39,533
Speaker 16: back to me to say, oh, oh yeah, and then

809
00:37:39,773 --> 00:37:44,573
Speaker 16: so they gave her a detention. And I thought, I'd like, excellent,

810
00:37:44,613 --> 00:37:46,053
Speaker 16: but you know, this is on the back of me

811
00:37:46,213 --> 00:37:50,253
Speaker 16: asking them and for some form of discipline. So they

812
00:37:50,293 --> 00:37:53,453
Speaker 16: gave the attention that she never turned up to and

813
00:37:53,973 --> 00:37:58,732
Speaker 16: consequently just the detention went by to bye. And now

814
00:37:59,333 --> 00:38:02,973
Speaker 16: she had some one day excursions and other trips coming

815
00:38:03,053 --> 00:38:06,652
Speaker 16: up through school, where very matter of fact in the

816
00:38:06,693 --> 00:38:12,133
Speaker 16: policy it said char must have eighty attendance to go

817
00:38:12,213 --> 00:38:15,493
Speaker 16: to these or you just won't be going. And I thought, fantastic,

818
00:38:15,613 --> 00:38:18,773
Speaker 16: But once I raise that with the school, it was

819
00:38:18,973 --> 00:38:21,652
Speaker 16: a little bit flip and it was a yes, but oh,

820
00:38:21,733 --> 00:38:25,293
Speaker 16: she seems to be doing well. Anyway, The truancy continued

821
00:38:25,333 --> 00:38:31,533
Speaker 16: on and on. I sort of raised it again. The

822
00:38:31,613 --> 00:38:34,653
Speaker 16: truancy after the automated emails back with the school, finally

823
00:38:34,693 --> 00:38:38,493
Speaker 16: had a meeting with the dean and she said, Okay, Look,

824
00:38:39,453 --> 00:38:43,173
Speaker 16: if she comes and doesn't after school, principal's detention will

825
00:38:43,493 --> 00:38:45,813
Speaker 16: quite the slate clean. But she has to be one

826
00:38:45,893 --> 00:38:49,373
Speaker 16: hundred percent truant, sorry, one hundred percent attendance, or she

827
00:38:49,413 --> 00:38:51,533
Speaker 16: won't be coming on this week long trip for one

828
00:38:51,573 --> 00:38:55,053
Speaker 16: of her classes that she was looking forward to. Fantastic. Well,

829
00:38:55,573 --> 00:38:59,493
Speaker 16: short story short as she was true and exactly the

830
00:38:59,493 --> 00:39:02,773
Speaker 16: same her attendant as well, below eighty percent and was

831
00:39:02,813 --> 00:39:04,093
Speaker 16: still allowed to go on the trip.

832
00:39:04,613 --> 00:39:07,853
Speaker 3: Oh true, Yeah, yeah, you don't make a threat. You've

833
00:39:07,853 --> 00:39:08,733
Speaker 3: got to follow with it.

834
00:39:08,853 --> 00:39:11,493
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jared, Sorry, mate, We've got some messages coming up.

835
00:39:11,493 --> 00:39:14,973
Speaker 4: I wish we could carry on, but we have to fly.

836
00:39:15,293 --> 00:39:17,213
Speaker 4: It is seven minutes to two bag fore.

837
00:39:17,013 --> 00:39:25,013
Speaker 1: Shortly Matteeth, Tylor Adams teaking your calls on eight Eth

838
00:39:25,053 --> 00:39:28,053
Speaker 1: and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk ZEDB.

839
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Speaker 4: News Talk z B. Almost at the end of this

840
00:39:32,293 --> 00:39:35,573
Speaker 4: discussion because we've got something else after two o'clock quick text.

841
00:39:35,573 --> 00:39:35,692
Speaker 6: Here.

842
00:39:35,773 --> 00:39:38,533
Speaker 4: Kids are struggling more with learning issues. This is not

843
00:39:38,573 --> 00:39:42,893
Speaker 4: an environmental issue, not a genetic genetic issue either. We've

844
00:39:42,933 --> 00:39:44,453
Speaker 4: got a real problem and it will take a lot

845
00:39:44,453 --> 00:39:45,732
Speaker 4: of people to try and solve this one.

846
00:39:45,813 --> 00:39:47,373
Speaker 3: I think an interesting thing people saying that a lot

847
00:39:47,413 --> 00:39:49,213
Speaker 3: of kids aren't going to school because they're anxious. And

848
00:39:49,253 --> 00:39:51,773
Speaker 3: I wrote about this in my book Are Life Less Punishing,

849
00:39:51,853 --> 00:39:55,053
Speaker 3: and it talks about anxiety. And essentially, you've got a

850
00:39:55,053 --> 00:39:56,733
Speaker 3: part of your brain on their middler, which is the

851
00:39:56,733 --> 00:39:59,533
Speaker 3: primitive part of your brain, and that'll send things like anxiety.

852
00:39:59,933 --> 00:40:01,773
Speaker 2: It's fight and flight, et cetera.

853
00:40:02,093 --> 00:40:05,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you don't go to school, then that

854
00:40:06,093 --> 00:40:08,053
Speaker 3: proves to that part of the brain that you are right.

855
00:40:07,973 --> 00:40:09,533
Speaker 2: Not going to school because you didn't die.

856
00:40:09,653 --> 00:40:11,893
Speaker 3: And essentially, every time your kid doesn't go to school

857
00:40:11,893 --> 00:40:14,973
Speaker 3: because they're anxious, the anxiety about going to school will grow.

858
00:40:15,533 --> 00:40:18,253
Speaker 3: So it doesn't make them less anxious by not sending

859
00:40:18,253 --> 00:40:18,733
Speaker 3: them to school.

860
00:40:18,733 --> 00:40:20,533
Speaker 4: You got to face that. So to deal with that

861
00:40:20,613 --> 00:40:24,573
Speaker 4: anxiety and support around you, your parents, the principal, teachers,

862
00:40:24,653 --> 00:40:25,533
Speaker 4: or helps.

863
00:40:25,533 --> 00:40:28,573
Speaker 2: What ever happens. You have to face your fears, whatever

864
00:40:28,573 --> 00:40:29,413
Speaker 2: age you are in life.

865
00:40:29,493 --> 00:40:31,933
Speaker 4: Yeah, good discussion. Thank you very much for all your

866
00:40:31,933 --> 00:40:35,133
Speaker 4: phone calls and texts. Something new on the table after

867
00:40:35,133 --> 00:40:37,813
Speaker 4: two o'clock an issue with charities and booze. We'll get

868
00:40:37,813 --> 00:40:43,573
Speaker 4: to that very shortly. Great to have your company.

869
00:40:42,613 --> 00:40:44,373
Speaker 5: Talking with you all afternoon.

870
00:40:44,573 --> 00:40:48,453
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons new for twenty twenty

871
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Speaker 1: four news Talk ZIB.

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Speaker 4: Very good afternoon to you. Welcome back into the show.

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Speaker 4: Matt and Tyler with you until four pm.

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Speaker 2: Feeling very good. I just ate my sandwich, sich. It

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Speaker 2: was a chicken and avocado sandwich, nice, very very healthy.

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Speaker 3: And as I said before, I briefly lost it this morning.

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Speaker 3: It was made for me with love, and then I

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Speaker 3: lost it. And if sandwich has been made for you,

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Speaker 3: you've got to eat it. Someone making a sandwich for you,

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Speaker 3: you're not eating it. It's a gesture of love if

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Speaker 3: you don't eat it. But I lost it in my

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Speaker 3: bed for a while this morning. Brought it downstairs, lost

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Speaker 3: in my bed. So glad I found it. I would

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Speaker 3: have been so gudded if I hadn't eaten that sandwich.

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Speaker 4: What did Tracy say? Tracy made it for you, your

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Speaker 4: lovely partner, and you mentioned that you almost lost her

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Speaker 4: sandwich that she made with love. She said in care.

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Speaker 2: This is what she said. Only you could lose a

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Speaker 2: sandwich in a bed.

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Speaker 4: I like Tracy, Tracy says, I like sort a person

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Speaker 4: a right, good chat. Last hour. We are going to

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Speaker 4: change it up over the next hour or so. We

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Speaker 4: want to talk about boos at charity events. This is

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Speaker 4: on the back of a fashion fundraiser for a suicide

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Speaker 4: prevention trust. It faces a last minute decision over the

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Speaker 4: selling of alcohol after authority has opposed its application. So

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Speaker 4: this is a Tigo Polytechnic School of Fashion student Teagan

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Speaker 4: Rose Vickary. She organized the fashion show, which focuses on

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Speaker 4: inclusive fashion as part of her honors research. But last

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Speaker 4: month Vickory sent a special liquor license for a charity

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Speaker 4: fashion event at Dunedin's Wall Street Mall. This was in

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Speaker 4: conjunction with the Life Mattered Suicide Prevention Trust. That application

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Speaker 4: led to opposition by police and the Licensing Inspector, with

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Speaker 4: both noting the link between alcohol and suicide and that

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Speaker 4: the granting of the license would be contrary to the

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Speaker 4: Sale in supply of the Alcohol Act. So that has

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Speaker 4: been very controversial for that organizer and also the decision

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Speaker 4: of the police. But we want to transition it slightly

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Speaker 4: to can you run a successful charity event without selling alcohol?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just before we move on from the show, I'll

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Speaker 3: just say that seems like overreach from the police. That's

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Speaker 3: a decision that she makes. You work on the safety

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Speaker 3: of the event, the over arching implications of someone who

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Speaker 3: is actually doing something very good. And she's had her

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Speaker 3: struggles with mental health as well, and she talks about

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Speaker 3: that in Bolimia, and she wanted to do something positive

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Speaker 3: and she wanted to have a few drinks that were

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Speaker 3: very respectful about the how it was going to be run.

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Speaker 3: We're not talking about a massive binge drinking session. It

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Speaker 3: was a few drinks where people watch a fashion show.

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Speaker 3: It was a very positive thing. So for the authorities

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Speaker 3: to come in question that just seems a massive over

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Speaker 3: each from me. But the wider issue, as you point out,

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Speaker 3: is charity events and alcohol. I think it is very

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Speaker 3: hard to run a charity event without alcohol because look,

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Speaker 3: you're trying to do something good and you want to

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Speaker 3: get people along and people want to have a good

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Speaker 3: time and they have a lot of opportunities of things

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Speaker 3: that they can do. And New Zealand is like, a

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Speaker 3: drink doesn't mean that they're bad people. It doesn't mean

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Speaker 3: that they're going to be outrageously badly behaved, but they

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Speaker 3: want to come along and have a drink.

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Speaker 2: I recently m.

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Speaker 3: Seed a major charity event in christ Church and there

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Speaker 3: was drinking there and it was for male mental health.

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Speaker 3: And you could say, look, male mental health is affected

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Speaker 3: by alcohol in some ways, but not getting out and

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Speaker 3: spending time with other people is also affected by also

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Speaker 3: affects mental health. And this was an incredibly positive event,

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Speaker 3: a massive event in a rugby league club and it

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Speaker 3: was nothing but positive and there was our coho involved.

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Speaker 3: But I can get you guaranteed right now there would

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Speaker 3: have been a ghost town if if there hadn't been

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Speaker 3: drinks there, and we wouldn't have raised nearly as much

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Speaker 3: money as we did for a really really good course.

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Speaker 4: But for that charity in particular. That's an interesting one

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Speaker 4: that men's mental health, and a big part of me

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Speaker 4: says that it's real hard to get men to open up.

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Speaker 4: And if you need to get them around a pint

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Speaker 4: of beer to get them to start to talk and

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Speaker 4: open up and what's going right in their life and

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Speaker 4: wrong in their life, then so be it whether or

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Speaker 4: not alcohol is an effect on mental health. To me,

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Speaker 4: it is more beneficial to get those guys opening up

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Speaker 4: around a pint of beer. But then when you link

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Speaker 4: this particular charity event, a fashion event and the Life

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Speaker 4: Matters Suicide Prevention Trust. Yeah, if they're not being drinking,

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Speaker 4: I still don't see a problem there. I think it's

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Speaker 4: the responsible nature of having a couple of d them.

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Speaker 3: We're not drinking, they've beinge drinking is a totally different issue.

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Speaker 3: They don't know that they're going to be binge drinking.

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Speaker 3: So read out exactly what the.

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Speaker 4: Quote from the police officer. So the applicant raise to

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Speaker 4: the committee that the show was not about the sale

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Speaker 4: and profit of alcohol, but to raise awarness for mental

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Speaker 4: health and shining a light on a group of people

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Speaker 4: who were doing amazing work and allowing them another platform

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Speaker 4: to stand on. So Vickery, who acknowledged her own mental health,

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Speaker 4: offered to remove the trust name. She also noted all

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Speaker 4: profits would be going to the Life Mattered Suicide Prevention Trust.

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Speaker 4: The inspector noted the high quality of the application, but

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Speaker 4: said the intent of this event should be commended. However,

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Speaker 4: it is unclear why alcohol needs to be a part

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Speaker 4: of this event at all, and the message including alcohol

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Speaker 4: at such an event sends to the wider community.

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Speaker 2: Get out. Get out With that comment, why does ol

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Speaker 2: colg above. That's got absolutely nothing to do with you.

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Speaker 3: Whether you decide why alcohol has been evolved, you decide

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Speaker 3: around the issues around safety or policing matters, not the

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Speaker 3: wider implications of a small amount of bubbles being served

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Speaker 3: at a fashion event. But anyway, I'm getting down that

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Speaker 3: and didn't have the wrong path. I didn't want to

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Speaker 3: go down.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 4: I think we can both agree. If it's a nighttime

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Speaker 4: a vent in your after donors for a particular charity

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Speaker 4: and most of the people coming to your vent to

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Speaker 4: adults and you're serving booze, I've got no problem with that.

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Speaker 4: But would you say the same for say a school fear.

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Speaker 3: Yes, there should be boozs at school fears. In fact,

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Speaker 3: I was involved in school fear where they banned alcohol,

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Speaker 3: and there was another school and I was doing various

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Speaker 3: things there, and the auctions used to go very very

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Speaker 3: well and make a lot of money for school and

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Speaker 3: buy a lot of sports equipment when there was boos involved,

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Speaker 3: and people came along and they had a great day,

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Speaker 3: and then they they'd go loose at the auction. And

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Speaker 3: there was another school nearby that didn't get rid of

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Speaker 3: they didn't put an alcohol ban on the school fear

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Speaker 3: for the adults. It's obviously only you're given to not

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Speaker 3: having primary school kids alcohol. But there was another one

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Speaker 3: that was nearby and they'd have Dave Dobbin playing that

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Speaker 3: were making it to take CareLine X that we're making

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Speaker 3: so much more money than the school we're at, and

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Speaker 3: as a charity at school FAE accounts as a charity

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Speaker 3: as well, you're trying to make money for your course.

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Speaker 2: And I'd like to.

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Speaker 3: Hear people that have had successful charity and run charities

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Speaker 3: and run events and have alcohol there and is it

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Speaker 3: a positive situation for your charity? Is that is that

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Speaker 3: is having alcohol at a charity event somehow morally wrong?

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Speaker 2: I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: I mean I was involved in a bell cancer charity

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Speaker 3: thing recently and there was there was booze at it

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Speaker 3: and we raised a lot of money. So I'd like

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Speaker 3: to hear from people on eight hundred and eighty ten

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Speaker 3: eighty who have run charity events at night without booze

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Speaker 3: and how successful they've been, and from people that have

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Speaker 3: run them with booze and how successful they've been.

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Speaker 4: Okay, this is going to be good. Oh, eight hundred

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Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty is a number.

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Speaker 18: To call.

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Speaker 4: Nine two ninety two is a text number. Can you

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Speaker 4: run a successful charity event without alcohol? Love to hear

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Speaker 4: from you. It is fourteen bars two.

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Speaker 1: Your new home of Afternoon Talk and even Tyler Adams

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Speaker 1: Afternoon Call. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talk

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Speaker 1: said be.

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Speaker 4: Good afternoon to you at seventeen pass two. Do you

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Speaker 4: need alcohol to run a successful charity event? That's the

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Speaker 4: question we're asking on the back of a fundraiser in Dunedin.

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Speaker 4: It had teamed up with the Life Mattered Suicide Prevention Trust.

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Speaker 4: They wanted to apply for an alcohol license to serve

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Speaker 4: some alcohol to the guests at this event, but that

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Speaker 4: has been opposed by the police in Dnedan. So love

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Speaker 4: to hear from you. If you've run a charity event

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Speaker 4: and you did not booze at that event, Love to

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Speaker 4: hear from you.

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Speaker 2: One hundred and eighteen eighty.

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Speaker 3: I mean the question is is the perceived damage of

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Speaker 3: alcohol worse than the good that has been done for

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Speaker 3: your charity? I would say, generally speaking, not considering most

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Speaker 3: people would have gone to a bar and selected something else,

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Speaker 3: or had come a bottle of wine at home.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, this sticks is a good one booze. You don't

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Speaker 4: need running shoes to run, do you, but they certainly help.

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Speaker 2: I guess that's something of what I'm trying to say.

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Speaker 4: Mike likes that as well. Get a Mike.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, good.

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Speaker 7: Sorry not to do with charities, but a number of

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Speaker 7: years ago, when I was a car dealer, you used

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Speaker 7: to go to car auctions for dealers only and the

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Speaker 7: cards would self or whatever price. But we came up

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Speaker 7: to Christmas one year and one of the importers turned

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Speaker 7: around and laid it on boo booze everywhere. They were

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Speaker 7: the highest priced cars in the country.

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Speaker 3: Well, as someone that's run charity auctions, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 3: You run them at the end of the night.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it waits all nice early after people have had.

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Speaker 3: Then, and then suddenly people find us a little bit

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Speaker 3: more money to donate to something that they may or

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Speaker 3: may not want.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, there was a generosity people talk about. You know,

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Speaker 3: there's definitely, obviously, no doubt, terrible sides of alcohol, but

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Speaker 3: there is also a generosity that appears in certain people

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Speaker 3: when they've had a.

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Speaker 2: Couple of drinks.

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Speaker 4: Hypothetical for you, Mike, say, there is there's an event

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Speaker 4: being run and it's by a charity that you really support.

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Speaker 4: We don't have to name names here. And then you

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Speaker 4: look at the flyer and you say to your wife, Hey,

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Speaker 4: that will be a nice night. Will go along, And

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Speaker 4: then you find out it's a dry event, no booze

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Speaker 4: is being served. Would you still go?

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Speaker 7: Possibly? But not one hundred percent of a guarantee.

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Speaker 4: The hesitation is all I needed, Mike. I think I

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Speaker 4: got my answer there, and no fear enough too, And

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Speaker 4: a lot of people would agree. You know, a lot

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Speaker 4: of people would would say that.

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Speaker 3: Any I say, you're not putting restrictions on people that

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Speaker 3: are just selling alcohol, but on a charity you're putting restrictions.

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Speaker 3: So you're saying, wow, you don't like the association, but

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Speaker 3: there's still bars that are out of seale. You're doing

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Speaker 3: something good. And then you're questioning their moral character for

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Speaker 3: putting on alcohol when they're running a charity that's it

1087
00:51:08,413 --> 00:51:11,213
Speaker 3: seems like they're doing good and maybe you're attacking the

1088
00:51:11,253 --> 00:51:11,813
Speaker 3: wrong people.

1089
00:51:11,973 --> 00:51:15,173
Speaker 4: And you'd assume the host responsibility would be a lot stronger,

1090
00:51:15,173 --> 00:51:18,133
Speaker 4: and particularly in this situation. I think the organizer said

1091
00:51:18,133 --> 00:51:20,373
Speaker 4: down in Dunedin that there was going to be a

1092
00:51:20,573 --> 00:51:24,013
Speaker 4: two drink limit per patron, and that's a lot easier

1093
00:51:24,053 --> 00:51:26,093
Speaker 4: to enforce in that scenario.

1094
00:51:26,253 --> 00:51:26,453
Speaker 6: Right.

1095
00:51:26,973 --> 00:51:29,933
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean the more that we're talking about this,

1096
00:51:30,053 --> 00:51:31,853
Speaker 4: the more I'm thinking, Yeah, just let them have a

1097
00:51:31,853 --> 00:51:33,373
Speaker 4: couple of drinks, Robbie, what do you say?

1098
00:51:35,493 --> 00:51:39,453
Speaker 20: So I've found a few events and we've got to

1099
00:51:39,493 --> 00:51:41,573
Speaker 20: the point now where we do a few musical events

1100
00:51:42,293 --> 00:51:43,613
Speaker 20: music without alcohol.

1101
00:51:45,373 --> 00:51:47,212
Speaker 17: That's what we've done, is we've done the last few

1102
00:51:47,253 --> 00:51:48,253
Speaker 17: we've done with b YO.

1103
00:51:49,853 --> 00:51:52,413
Speaker 3: Right, and so where are these how do they hold

1104
00:51:53,013 --> 00:51:56,212
Speaker 3: in public places or in private establishments?

1105
00:51:57,013 --> 00:51:59,813
Speaker 20: Yeah, no private establishments, and so we don't have a

1106
00:51:59,853 --> 00:52:03,773
Speaker 20: liquor license, and so we just tell people like the

1107
00:52:03,813 --> 00:52:06,172
Speaker 20: last one we did look like an SBCA type thing,

1108
00:52:07,053 --> 00:52:08,333
Speaker 20: abandoned sort of pets.

1109
00:52:08,373 --> 00:52:10,533
Speaker 17: We've done them school fundraisers.

1110
00:52:12,653 --> 00:52:13,172
Speaker 5: Well it's fine.

1111
00:52:13,213 --> 00:52:14,813
Speaker 17: I'm giving them a little bit of a bit of

1112
00:52:14,813 --> 00:52:15,213
Speaker 17: a shout out.

1113
00:52:15,253 --> 00:52:17,053
Speaker 16: We're doing a pink ribbon breast cancer event.

1114
00:52:18,093 --> 00:52:21,013
Speaker 17: And we've never had the events go, you know, go

1115
00:52:21,173 --> 00:52:24,652
Speaker 17: badly with a b YO policy. Now, of course, you

1116
00:52:24,693 --> 00:52:27,053
Speaker 17: know the people I don't know these events that run

1117
00:52:27,133 --> 00:52:28,853
Speaker 17: a bar where they take him the image of the bar.

1118
00:52:29,613 --> 00:52:32,413
Speaker 17: We've never done that. But yeah, we get do a

1119
00:52:32,413 --> 00:52:32,773
Speaker 17: b yo.

1120
00:52:33,293 --> 00:52:36,533
Speaker 20: The magnificants had a hand and the last fundraiser we

1121
00:52:36,573 --> 00:52:38,693
Speaker 20: did was the most of the facility ever done.

1122
00:52:39,173 --> 00:52:41,293
Speaker 3: And do you think people would turn up? So if

1123
00:52:41,613 --> 00:52:44,093
Speaker 3: like so, you're doing a very good thing. It's a charity,

1124
00:52:44,373 --> 00:52:48,173
Speaker 3: pink ribbon thing, breast cancer. Good on you, Thank you

1125
00:52:48,213 --> 00:52:50,573
Speaker 3: so much for your contribution to society. But do you

1126
00:52:50,653 --> 00:52:53,212
Speaker 3: think as much as people care, and they do care,

1127
00:52:53,573 --> 00:52:55,533
Speaker 3: they would turn up and the numbers they do if

1128
00:52:55,533 --> 00:52:56,813
Speaker 3: there was no alcohol.

1129
00:52:58,173 --> 00:53:01,053
Speaker 17: If we banned alcohol, no, they wouldn't turn up in

1130
00:53:01,333 --> 00:53:03,973
Speaker 17: the same numbers. And they said, we have a b yo.

1131
00:53:04,133 --> 00:53:05,573
Speaker 20: So the fact that they can bring and they can

1132
00:53:05,573 --> 00:53:08,973
Speaker 20: bring whatever, No, definitely that we would not get the

1133
00:53:09,013 --> 00:53:10,133
Speaker 20: numbers as much known.

1134
00:53:10,453 --> 00:53:12,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and that's the thing. So you've got

1135
00:53:12,333 --> 00:53:13,453
Speaker 2: to weigh up the good and the bad.

1136
00:53:13,573 --> 00:53:15,732
Speaker 3: So there's no doubt and no one out there would

1137
00:53:15,773 --> 00:53:19,493
Speaker 3: ever deny that alcohol has negative impacts on society. I

1138
00:53:19,533 --> 00:53:22,133
Speaker 3: would say it also has positive impacts when it gets

1139
00:53:22,133 --> 00:53:25,613
Speaker 3: people together for good causes and it gets people to

1140
00:53:25,653 --> 00:53:28,573
Speaker 3: open their purse springs because that spurs her strings, because

1141
00:53:28,573 --> 00:53:33,573
Speaker 3: they finally suddenly after two beers, they suddenly get that feeling.

1142
00:53:33,333 --> 00:53:36,973
Speaker 4: Of fluffy and love. Yeah, for the community to be

1143
00:53:37,013 --> 00:53:39,293
Speaker 4: a good person and give a lot of cash to

1144
00:53:39,293 --> 00:53:42,253
Speaker 4: this particular organization. Love to hear from you on this one.

1145
00:53:42,293 --> 00:53:44,252
Speaker 4: O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

1146
00:53:44,413 --> 00:53:46,733
Speaker 4: number to call quick takes to the break. Who in

1147
00:53:46,773 --> 00:53:49,053
Speaker 4: their right mind is going to go to a charity

1148
00:53:49,053 --> 00:53:51,293
Speaker 4: event with no boots? Seriously, if you're having an auction,

1149
00:53:51,573 --> 00:53:53,333
Speaker 4: you want people to be a bit tipsy so they

1150
00:53:53,333 --> 00:53:56,773
Speaker 4: get a bit loose on the wallets. Away New Zealand Police.

1151
00:53:57,533 --> 00:53:59,453
Speaker 4: It is twenty two past two.

1152
00:54:04,413 --> 00:54:08,053
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty

1153
00:54:08,093 --> 00:54:09,573
Speaker 1: ten on us talk.

1154
00:54:09,453 --> 00:54:11,692
Speaker 4: S good afternoon, twenty four past two.

1155
00:54:11,773 --> 00:54:15,333
Speaker 3: We're talking about booze at charity events and whether it's

1156
00:54:15,413 --> 00:54:20,573
Speaker 3: morally right or wrong to serve booze to try and

1157
00:54:21,053 --> 00:54:24,053
Speaker 3: lubricate the wallets of the people that go along this.

1158
00:54:24,253 --> 00:54:27,533
Speaker 3: Texas says that sounds like coercion to me, angry face.

1159
00:54:27,973 --> 00:54:30,893
Speaker 3: It is kind of coercion, isn't it. So it certainly is.

1160
00:54:30,973 --> 00:54:34,333
Speaker 4: Yeah, we all know what's happening when we go along

1161
00:54:34,613 --> 00:54:37,853
Speaker 4: and have a few too many rids. We kind of

1162
00:54:37,893 --> 00:54:39,013
Speaker 4: know what's going to happen, right.

1163
00:54:38,933 --> 00:54:40,653
Speaker 2: Well, we all want to do right in the community.

1164
00:54:40,693 --> 00:54:40,853
Speaker 5: Right.

1165
00:54:40,893 --> 00:54:42,652
Speaker 3: We all want to we want to give back, most

1166
00:54:42,653 --> 00:54:44,373
Speaker 3: of us do. But we also want to have a

1167
00:54:44,413 --> 00:54:47,413
Speaker 3: good time. And that's when charities often mix. If there's

1168
00:54:47,413 --> 00:54:49,733
Speaker 3: a charity night, and you know, I've been to so

1169
00:54:49,853 --> 00:54:51,613
Speaker 3: many of them, and I've mceed a lot of them,

1170
00:54:51,933 --> 00:54:53,813
Speaker 3: and that's where it makes the doing good and they're

1171
00:54:53,813 --> 00:54:55,293
Speaker 3: having good time when they can come together.

1172
00:54:55,333 --> 00:54:56,653
Speaker 2: I think it's a beautiful union.

1173
00:54:56,893 --> 00:54:59,413
Speaker 4: Have you ever take it? You've gone to many a

1174
00:54:59,493 --> 00:55:02,333
Speaker 4: charity auction? Yes, And you're better than these charity auctions

1175
00:55:02,373 --> 00:55:04,653
Speaker 4: I have. Yes, you must have.

1176
00:55:04,813 --> 00:55:08,133
Speaker 2: I bought the most stupid piece of art, like and

1177
00:55:08,413 --> 00:55:13,573
Speaker 2: absolute How has it just been fifteen hundred dollars fifteen

1178
00:55:13,613 --> 00:55:16,373
Speaker 2: hundred dollars on something that went straight into the garage

1179
00:55:16,413 --> 00:55:17,413
Speaker 2: and has never been looked at again.

1180
00:55:17,453 --> 00:55:18,933
Speaker 4: But I don't went to a charity.

1181
00:55:19,213 --> 00:55:25,533
Speaker 2: I felt bad about it, but I did good, just went.

1182
00:55:25,493 --> 00:55:26,893
Speaker 4: A bit of good that you are helping out a

1183
00:55:26,973 --> 00:55:28,732
Speaker 4: nice charity. Jack, How are you?

1184
00:55:30,093 --> 00:55:33,293
Speaker 21: Yeah, I'm pretty good. Extree pokage. Guys need to put

1185
00:55:33,333 --> 00:55:36,093
Speaker 21: you ahead on you know nothing about it.

1186
00:55:36,893 --> 00:55:38,853
Speaker 3: I don't know about that, Jack, and I think I

1187
00:55:38,933 --> 00:55:40,653
Speaker 3: know probably everything about everything.

1188
00:55:40,693 --> 00:55:43,093
Speaker 2: But continue, Oh, no.

1189
00:55:42,893 --> 00:55:46,253
Speaker 21: No, no, no. I so you know what it's like to

1190
00:55:45,853 --> 00:55:48,533
Speaker 21: be inflicted with the alcohol issue to do.

1191
00:55:49,493 --> 00:55:52,013
Speaker 3: Look, I know that there are alcoizash's out there. I mean,

1192
00:55:52,093 --> 00:55:55,413
Speaker 3: I've definitely drunk too much in my life and had

1193
00:55:55,653 --> 00:55:58,253
Speaker 3: it struggles to drink. Yes, less absolutely.

1194
00:55:59,533 --> 00:56:00,813
Speaker 21: So were you laughing about it?

1195
00:56:01,173 --> 00:56:01,853
Speaker 2: Well, because we.

1196
00:56:01,773 --> 00:56:04,293
Speaker 3: Can laugh about anything in society. That's that's the thing.

1197
00:56:04,733 --> 00:56:06,853
Speaker 3: Things don't go away by not laughing about them and

1198
00:56:06,973 --> 00:56:10,373
Speaker 3: not having a humorous takes on things.

1199
00:56:11,053 --> 00:56:13,253
Speaker 21: Yeah. No, it was humorous to you, but you know

1200
00:56:13,413 --> 00:56:14,533
Speaker 21: to a lot of people it's not.

1201
00:56:14,733 --> 00:56:17,373
Speaker 4: Well, let's talk about that because clearly this has impacted

1202
00:56:17,413 --> 00:56:19,053
Speaker 4: you and we want to hear about that. So, so,

1203
00:56:19,133 --> 00:56:21,653
Speaker 4: has it impacted you personally or family members?

1204
00:56:22,893 --> 00:56:27,533
Speaker 21: Yeah? Yeah, personally, family members, friends, people. I know, you

1205
00:56:27,573 --> 00:56:31,413
Speaker 21: know it's a serious issue, and you know, I just

1206
00:56:31,453 --> 00:56:33,133
Speaker 21: sort of think you're minimalizing.

1207
00:56:33,573 --> 00:56:36,453
Speaker 3: Well, how Jack, And I'm sorry for your struggles and

1208
00:56:36,453 --> 00:56:40,293
Speaker 3: I'm really sorry for your family struggles and alcoholism. Alcoholism

1209
00:56:40,373 --> 00:56:44,933
Speaker 3: is a serious issue. But we're talking about people that

1210
00:56:45,333 --> 00:56:48,413
Speaker 3: don't have alcohol problems going along to a charity and

1211
00:56:48,453 --> 00:56:50,333
Speaker 3: having a few drinks, and I think that's a that's

1212
00:56:50,373 --> 00:56:51,853
Speaker 3: a that's a totally different.

1213
00:56:51,533 --> 00:56:56,613
Speaker 21: Issue, well only in the sense that you're saying there's

1214
00:56:56,653 --> 00:57:02,773
Speaker 21: nowhere alcohol they want to go. Yeah, so you know

1215
00:57:03,013 --> 00:57:04,813
Speaker 21: that is an issue.

1216
00:57:04,493 --> 00:57:07,213
Speaker 3: Well potentially an issue, but I mean you can go

1217
00:57:07,253 --> 00:57:09,053
Speaker 3: and have a few drinks and it's not a problem.

1218
00:57:09,653 --> 00:57:11,733
Speaker 3: And you can and for some people it is a problem.

1219
00:57:11,773 --> 00:57:13,493
Speaker 3: And for the people that is a problem, I definitely

1220
00:57:13,493 --> 00:57:16,693
Speaker 3: feel for them. And alcoholism very very serious issue and

1221
00:57:17,293 --> 00:57:19,613
Speaker 3: my heart goes out to people struggling with that. But

1222
00:57:19,693 --> 00:57:23,573
Speaker 3: not everyone that drinks alcohol has an alcohol problem, and

1223
00:57:23,853 --> 00:57:27,533
Speaker 3: not every event with alcohol in it is making the

1224
00:57:27,533 --> 00:57:30,373
Speaker 3: problem worse. And we're just saying that if it's a charity,

1225
00:57:30,413 --> 00:57:33,373
Speaker 3: then arguably you're making the world better with your charity

1226
00:57:33,773 --> 00:57:36,173
Speaker 3: and on on and the alcohol. When your weigh out

1227
00:57:36,213 --> 00:57:38,693
Speaker 3: the good and the bad, the alcohol being there isn't

1228
00:57:38,733 --> 00:57:42,533
Speaker 3: as bad as the good that is made by the charity.

1229
00:57:43,733 --> 00:57:46,053
Speaker 21: Not fair, col But you know, I think you guys

1230
00:57:46,093 --> 00:57:49,813
Speaker 21: need to understand it, you know, basically around alcohol.

1231
00:57:49,933 --> 00:57:52,013
Speaker 4: You know, well, yeah, no, we and we do. And

1232
00:57:52,053 --> 00:57:55,933
Speaker 4: look we've we've maybe you know, taken a bit of

1233
00:57:56,573 --> 00:57:59,693
Speaker 4: a levity angle on some of these charity events. But

1234
00:57:59,813 --> 00:58:02,733
Speaker 4: rest assured, Jack, we both know in the studio the

1235
00:58:02,813 --> 00:58:05,693
Speaker 4: damage that alcohol causes in the community. And I suppose

1236
00:58:05,733 --> 00:58:09,093
Speaker 4: to Matt's point talking about alcohol is is a legal

1237
00:58:09,173 --> 00:58:12,813
Speaker 4: substance and the vast majority of New Zealand consume it

1238
00:58:12,853 --> 00:58:15,453
Speaker 4: to some level. That having a couple of drinks at

1239
00:58:15,493 --> 00:58:18,573
Speaker 4: a charity event versus the opposite side which you're talking about,

1240
00:58:18,613 --> 00:58:21,493
Speaker 4: and we know New Zealand doesn't have an issue with alcohol,

1241
00:58:21,973 --> 00:58:23,693
Speaker 4: they can be separated, can they?

1242
00:58:25,373 --> 00:58:25,813
Speaker 21: Maybe?

1243
00:58:26,053 --> 00:58:28,853
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, Jack, would you support a complete prohibition

1244
00:58:28,933 --> 00:58:29,533
Speaker 2: on alcohol?

1245
00:58:30,493 --> 00:58:32,973
Speaker 22: No, definitely not So what what what.

1246
00:58:32,853 --> 00:58:35,973
Speaker 3: Why would bars be able to serve alcohol? But charity

1247
00:58:36,013 --> 00:58:36,213
Speaker 3: is not?

1248
00:58:38,413 --> 00:58:42,013
Speaker 21: Well, it's I think it's just the fact that it's

1249
00:58:42,253 --> 00:58:48,813
Speaker 21: you stated, if there's no alcohol, you'd probably get fifty attendance.

1250
00:58:49,613 --> 00:58:50,973
Speaker 22: Yeah alcohol.

1251
00:58:52,893 --> 00:58:56,053
Speaker 4: Ye yeah. And to you, Jack, you think that's sorry.

1252
00:58:56,093 --> 00:58:59,053
Speaker 4: You carry on, You carry on charity.

1253
00:58:58,733 --> 00:59:03,453
Speaker 21: Event for the charity event or for the alcohol.

1254
00:59:03,773 --> 00:59:05,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, well exactly.

1255
00:59:05,773 --> 00:59:07,213
Speaker 3: But you could say, like if you could have a

1256
00:59:07,253 --> 00:59:09,613
Speaker 3: bar with no alcohol and would be knowing there either,

1257
00:59:09,973 --> 00:59:12,093
Speaker 3: but a charity event has got olcohol there and you've

1258
00:59:12,093 --> 00:59:14,693
Speaker 3: got more people and there's a positive thing coming out

1259
00:59:14,693 --> 00:59:18,213
Speaker 3: of it. But just one last question, Jack, what's what's

1260
00:59:18,213 --> 00:59:21,493
Speaker 3: the bird in the background there?

1261
00:59:21,973 --> 00:59:23,533
Speaker 21: Cocktail cocktail.

1262
00:59:23,813 --> 00:59:29,213
Speaker 2: I used to have a cocktail, great bird.

1263
00:59:29,293 --> 00:59:29,573
Speaker 5: I love.

1264
00:59:29,613 --> 00:59:32,253
Speaker 2: I love the cockatail, our cocktail. Freddy flew away a

1265
00:59:32,253 --> 00:59:35,493
Speaker 2: few years ago, and Freddy, I miss you every day

1266
00:59:35,693 --> 00:59:36,133
Speaker 2: you used.

1267
00:59:35,973 --> 00:59:36,373
Speaker 4: To come back.

1268
00:59:37,013 --> 00:59:38,893
Speaker 2: Freddy used to go what doing?

1269
00:59:39,373 --> 00:59:39,933
Speaker 12: What doing?

1270
00:59:40,173 --> 00:59:40,653
Speaker 2: Every morning?

1271
00:59:40,773 --> 00:59:41,533
Speaker 4: Did you teach them that?

1272
00:59:42,093 --> 00:59:42,133
Speaker 8: No?

1273
00:59:42,213 --> 00:59:45,013
Speaker 2: I don't always started doing what doing? But cockatail. I

1274
00:59:45,053 --> 00:59:45,773
Speaker 2: love a cockatail.

1275
00:59:45,973 --> 00:59:46,173
Speaker 6: Jack.

1276
00:59:46,213 --> 00:59:47,893
Speaker 4: Thank you very much for giving us a buzz mate,

1277
00:59:47,893 --> 00:59:50,493
Speaker 4: and appreciate it. You know, look, we're absolutely part of

1278
00:59:50,493 --> 00:59:53,453
Speaker 4: this conversation. Is the more serious side of olcohol in

1279
00:59:53,453 --> 00:59:55,573
Speaker 4: the community and get that. So appreciate you calling up.

1280
00:59:56,973 --> 01:00:00,373
Speaker 4: Thanks to you, all right, mate, go well, uhight hundred

1281
01:00:00,493 --> 01:00:04,373
Speaker 4: eighty eight is the number to call. We've got to

1282
01:00:04,373 --> 01:00:06,893
Speaker 4: get to the headline shortly, but just want to read

1283
01:00:06,933 --> 01:00:08,813
Speaker 4: out a couple of ticks here, Hi, guys. When you

1284
01:00:08,853 --> 01:00:12,613
Speaker 4: get to sixty, you see how booze affects everything from Kevin,

1285
01:00:13,093 --> 01:00:15,093
Speaker 4: which is a fair point. Keep those teaps coming through

1286
01:00:15,093 --> 01:00:15,973
Speaker 4: A nine two nine two.

1287
01:00:16,013 --> 01:00:17,693
Speaker 2: Definitely affects you more and more as you get older,

1288
01:00:17,733 --> 01:00:18,213
Speaker 2: that's for sure.

1289
01:00:18,253 --> 01:00:20,973
Speaker 4: Absolutely. I'm thirty eight and I can't handle the stuff anymore.

1290
01:00:21,013 --> 01:00:22,773
Speaker 4: It is bang on two thirty.

1291
01:00:25,573 --> 01:00:27,893
Speaker 5: Us talk said the headlines.

1292
01:00:27,413 --> 01:00:30,493
Speaker 12: With blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with a blue bubble.

1293
01:00:30,973 --> 01:00:34,093
Speaker 12: The government says it's working on redress for survivors of

1294
01:00:34,173 --> 01:00:38,253
Speaker 12: torture at Lake Callis Hospital. Meanwhile, it's offering recompense for

1295
01:00:38,293 --> 01:00:42,213
Speaker 12: the large legal bills survivors paid when settling an abuse claim.

1296
01:00:42,333 --> 01:00:46,013
Speaker 12: In two thousand and one, the Free Speech Union says

1297
01:00:46,013 --> 01:00:49,173
Speaker 12: a far right US speaker should be allowed into the country.

1298
01:00:49,613 --> 01:00:53,613
Speaker 12: Candice Owen's visa application has already been rejected in Australia

1299
01:00:53,973 --> 01:00:56,973
Speaker 12: over fears her views on Muslims and the Holocaust could

1300
01:00:57,013 --> 01:01:00,973
Speaker 12: incite discord. A police detective has told a jury the

1301
01:01:01,053 --> 01:01:03,533
Speaker 12: car registered to the man accused of killing Yan Fe

1302
01:01:03,693 --> 01:01:07,493
Speaker 12: Bao in July last year was found saturated with water,

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Speaker 12: back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Raylan, and we are talking about

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Speaker 4: charities serving alcohol at events? Is it appropriate? Can you

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Speaker 4: run a successful charity without serving booze? It was a

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Speaker 4: situation that one charity organizer is facing down in Dunedin.

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Speaker 4: She wanted to run a fashion fundraise or attached to

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Speaker 4: the Life Matter Suicide Prevention Trust, applying for a special

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Speaker 4: license to sell some alcohol limited alcohol at the event.

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Speaker 4: And police have opposed that because they believe it's sends

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Speaker 4: the wrong message. But what do you say on charities overall?

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Speaker 4: How are you?

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Speaker 23: I'm good?

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Speaker 24: Thanks?

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Speaker 11: How are you?

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Speaker 14: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Good? What's your take on this topic.

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Speaker 25: I think the police are quite right and refusing, especially

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Speaker 25: for a mental health charity event, just because mental health

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Speaker 25: and obviously alcohol they co exist together. But any other

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Speaker 25: charity event, I think it's a pretty silly idea having

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Speaker 25: alcohol there because it does actually take away from the

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Speaker 25: event that you're running. You find a lot more people,

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Speaker 25: you find a lot more people getting drunk, a lot

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Speaker 25: more people starting fights and doing all of that sort

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Speaker 25: of thing. It's a lot different at a family get

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Speaker 25: together or something like that when you all know each other.

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Speaker 25: But I think at charity events it's just a bit silly.

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Speaker 3: Been to so many charity events with alcohol. I've never

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Speaker 3: seen a fight at at a charity event. But what

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Speaker 3: about the idea that mental health. Alcoholis definitely has its

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Speaker 3: effects on mental health. Is no denying that, but also

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01:03:06,653 --> 01:03:10,293
Speaker 3: isolation has an effect on mental health, and people getting

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Speaker 3: together in large groups to do something positive like charity,

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Speaker 3: if there's some alcohol involved, I would say overall that

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01:03:17,373 --> 01:03:20,773
Speaker 3: has a greater positive effect for mental health than people

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Speaker 3: not getting together. And maybe there's wrong with something wrong

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Speaker 3: with our society, but we just don't get the numbers.

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Speaker 3: Two events charity events in my experience, inness there is

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Speaker 3: alcohol involved, okay.

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Speaker 26: Which I get.

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Speaker 25: But in a mental health sort of charity, you're literally

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01:03:37,693 --> 01:03:40,733
Speaker 25: having people that go through a system most of their

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Speaker 25: lives and you're enabling them with alcohol at the charity event.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but not everyone is why I say.

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Speaker 25: No to it, and that is just my outlook on it.

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Speaker 25: We can have different outlooks as much.

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Speaker 2: As you understand.

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Speaker 3: That's why we're having discussions in our respect and respect

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Speaker 3: I respect your opinion but I would say that a

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Speaker 3: lot of the people that go along to a charity

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Speaker 3: to help with mental health don't necessarily have alcohol problems

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01:04:06,133 --> 01:04:09,013
Speaker 3: themselves or even mental health problem, because you can go

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Speaker 3: along to a charity to raise money for something that

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Speaker 3: you don't currently suffer from. I mean, I've done been

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01:04:15,653 --> 01:04:18,773
Speaker 3: involved in a number of cancer charities when I haven't

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01:04:19,133 --> 01:04:23,693
Speaker 3: had cancer, but I have gone along, and they've actually

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Speaker 3: all involved alcohol.

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Speaker 2: But I've gone along, and everyone.

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Speaker 3: That's gone along there is to to raise money for

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Speaker 3: something that affects other people.

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Speaker 25: Just quickly, sorry, You can raise money in different ways

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Speaker 25: without the alcohol.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, certainly, And this is good to EMA. We want

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Speaker 4: different opinions on this program, no doubt about it. Like

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Speaker 4: a lot of these things, sometimes your your outlook is

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Speaker 4: peppered by personal experience. Have you had people close to

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Speaker 4: you that have suffered worth problems with alcohol?

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Speaker 25: Nope?

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Speaker 4: Have you seen it in the community, Yep.

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Speaker 3: You'd be hard pressed not to see the problems with

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01:05:03,253 --> 01:05:05,653
Speaker 3: alcohol in the community. But I guess I guess the

1382
01:05:05,693 --> 01:05:09,213
Speaker 3: thing is, Emma, there's good and bad in everything, and

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01:05:08,813 --> 01:05:11,013
Speaker 3: there's for everything.

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Speaker 25: Enabling people to drink at a mental health charity is

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Speaker 25: just wrong.

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01:05:15,733 --> 01:05:17,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well, well get.

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Speaker 25: Other charities, I completely get it. But in mental health charity, no,

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Speaker 25: I think it's wrong in the place. We're right to

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Speaker 25: the start of it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, fair enough to.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for you for call Emma. I

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01:05:26,973 --> 01:05:31,373
Speaker 3: would say that people are going to drink anyway. That's

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01:05:31,413 --> 01:05:33,053
Speaker 3: just the case of it. On any given night, a

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01:05:33,093 --> 01:05:34,773
Speaker 3: huge amount of people are looking for a place to

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01:05:34,813 --> 01:05:37,413
Speaker 3: go out and they are going to drink. And we

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Speaker 3: all acknowledge that alcohol does cause problems. But you want

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Speaker 3: them to come along to your event and drink at

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01:05:43,213 --> 01:05:46,133
Speaker 3: your event and give money to your charity, and maybe

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Speaker 3: some more positive comes out of it then would be

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Speaker 3: if they were just drinking at home.

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Speaker 4: But you think most of the time the money coming

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01:05:55,453 --> 01:05:57,693
Speaker 4: into that particular charity. As you say, for most of

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01:05:57,693 --> 01:06:00,893
Speaker 4: these charity events, the people turning up do not have

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01:06:00,933 --> 01:06:03,693
Speaker 4: problems with alcohol. You'd like to think maybe some of

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01:06:03,733 --> 01:06:05,653
Speaker 4: them do, but you think most people turning up and

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01:06:05,693 --> 01:06:07,933
Speaker 4: they having a couple of I'm just taking part in

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01:06:07,933 --> 01:06:08,173
Speaker 4: an ox.

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Speaker 3: You can't just focus just because some people have problems

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01:06:11,733 --> 01:06:14,013
Speaker 3: with alcohol. I don't think you could then not have

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Speaker 3: a charity quiz knight, for example, with an auction at

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Speaker 3: the end, and you say, because some people that come

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01:06:19,893 --> 01:06:21,773
Speaker 3: along and may have problems with alcohol, and some people

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01:06:21,773 --> 01:06:23,773
Speaker 3: in the community might have problems with alcohol, that that

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01:06:23,933 --> 01:06:26,613
Speaker 3: charity quiz night in a country where alcohol is legal

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01:06:26,893 --> 01:06:29,933
Speaker 3: and people drink at sporting events, they drink at bars,

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01:06:30,213 --> 01:06:33,973
Speaker 3: they drink at home, that somehow drinking at a charity

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01:06:34,013 --> 01:06:37,053
Speaker 3: event is the bit that you would focus on shutting

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01:06:37,053 --> 01:06:39,813
Speaker 3: the drinking down at it seems like you're cutting off

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Speaker 3: the legs of the charity event, which is the ones

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Speaker 3: that are really doing the good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but they could be run without booze. But I

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01:06:45,213 --> 01:06:47,253
Speaker 4: get your point. If they run that without drinks and

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01:06:47,253 --> 01:06:49,693
Speaker 4: then people don't turn up and give money to the charity,

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Speaker 4: I get all that, But just beak to Emma's point.

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Speaker 4: And it's good that we have, you know, some different

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Speaker 4: opinions coming through here, and thank you Emma for giving

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Speaker 4: us a buzz. But to me, it's similar. And you

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01:06:58,933 --> 01:07:00,493
Speaker 4: know how I felt about this. We talked about this

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01:07:00,573 --> 01:07:05,253
Speaker 4: last week, having Kentucky Fried Chicken advertising at a sports event,

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Speaker 4: and I'll get slammed from saying, shah it up, Tyler.

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01:07:07,653 --> 01:07:09,933
Speaker 4: You know it's a free can't try personal responsibility I

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01:07:09,973 --> 01:07:12,573
Speaker 4: get all of that, but it's that juxtaposition and the

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01:07:12,613 --> 01:07:15,933
Speaker 4: messaging that I can understand why people have some concerns

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01:07:15,973 --> 01:07:16,333
Speaker 4: over it.

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01:07:16,653 --> 01:07:18,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, And as I say, there's good and bad in

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01:07:18,533 --> 01:07:20,453
Speaker 3: this world and everything and everything can be weighed up

1437
01:07:20,453 --> 01:07:23,293
Speaker 3: and everything is a balance. But I was talking about

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01:07:23,333 --> 01:07:25,093
Speaker 3: that event that I am seed before. It was a

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01:07:25,093 --> 01:07:27,853
Speaker 3: male mental health event and we had a whole room

1440
01:07:27,933 --> 01:07:29,573
Speaker 3: full of people and we were getting men to talk

1441
01:07:29,573 --> 01:07:32,613
Speaker 3: to each other about things between breaks, and we were

1442
01:07:32,613 --> 01:07:35,053
Speaker 3: playing games that were getting people to reach out to each.

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01:07:34,933 --> 01:07:36,373
Speaker 4: Other as well, and that was good.

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01:07:36,573 --> 01:07:40,093
Speaker 2: And the alcohol, whilst no one got out of control,

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01:07:40,133 --> 01:07:43,133
Speaker 2: the alcohol was a part of the lubrication of that

1446
01:07:43,253 --> 01:07:45,573
Speaker 2: night and part of the reason people came along, and

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01:07:45,613 --> 01:07:48,013
Speaker 2: I think they left with a really really positive message.

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01:07:48,053 --> 01:07:50,013
Speaker 4: And the auction that you spent fifteen hundred bucks on

1449
01:07:50,053 --> 01:07:52,093
Speaker 4: a piece of artwork that is now in the carriage

1450
01:07:52,133 --> 01:07:54,293
Speaker 4: and not hanging up at the home, that was because

1451
01:07:54,293 --> 01:07:56,053
Speaker 4: you were feeling pretty good about life, because you had

1452
01:07:56,213 --> 01:07:58,653
Speaker 4: a nice couple of wines, feeling pretty good, and it

1453
01:07:58,693 --> 01:07:59,773
Speaker 4: was a nice charity.

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01:07:59,493 --> 01:08:01,173
Speaker 2: Surf turf and sky a.

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01:08:01,333 --> 01:08:03,373
Speaker 3: It's got a rabbit on it, it's got a fish

1456
01:08:03,453 --> 01:08:05,293
Speaker 3: on it, and it's got a bird on it.

1457
01:08:05,333 --> 01:08:06,813
Speaker 4: I'll take it off on a table. I'll give you

1458
01:08:06,853 --> 01:08:09,053
Speaker 4: five hundred bucks for it. I eighte hundred. That's a

1459
01:08:09,053 --> 01:08:10,973
Speaker 4: good discussion. O eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is

1460
01:08:11,013 --> 01:08:12,973
Speaker 4: the number to call. It is nineteen to three.

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Speaker 5: Have a chat with the boys.

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Speaker 1: On eight hundred and eighty eight nineties and Taylor Adams

1463
01:08:19,253 --> 01:08:22,612
Speaker 1: Afternoons You for twenty twenty four News Talks B.

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01:08:23,492 --> 01:08:26,612
Speaker 4: News Talks the B seventeen to three having a great

1465
01:08:26,612 --> 01:08:31,013
Speaker 4: discussion about alcohol and charity events. Hey your Beryl, Hello, Ed,

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01:08:31,372 --> 01:08:34,173
Speaker 4: is that you Tyler? Sure, yes, it's Tyler here, Harla.

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Speaker 19: I've so much you not been on the Thanes. I

1468
01:08:36,692 --> 01:08:39,013
Speaker 19: know you've got a new job now, but I'm so

1469
01:08:39,253 --> 01:08:42,172
Speaker 19: much not having my chat with you before I normally

1470
01:08:42,213 --> 01:08:43,572
Speaker 19: go on to the ear.

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01:08:43,812 --> 01:08:46,452
Speaker 4: Well, we're having a chair now, buryl Let's let's let's senay.

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Speaker 19: I know now listen, I will tell you what we've

1473
01:08:49,772 --> 01:08:52,572
Speaker 19: all got our crosses to be in so far as

1474
01:08:52,612 --> 01:08:57,012
Speaker 19: our health. Don't get me wrong, well, well you won't

1475
01:08:57,053 --> 01:08:59,652
Speaker 19: get me wrong. You know. Some of us have esthma,

1476
01:08:59,893 --> 01:09:02,492
Speaker 19: some of us have high blood pressure, some of us

1477
01:09:02,532 --> 01:09:06,173
Speaker 19: have all sorts of things whatever age you are wrong.

1478
01:09:06,253 --> 01:09:10,213
Speaker 19: So very few of us don't have some crossing to

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01:09:10,293 --> 01:09:14,133
Speaker 19: bear in the form of health. But people like that

1480
01:09:14,253 --> 01:09:17,492
Speaker 19: guy Jack or I think that was his name, absolutely

1481
01:09:17,532 --> 01:09:21,372
Speaker 19: infuriate me. The fact is this, if you can't handle

1482
01:09:21,412 --> 01:09:26,372
Speaker 19: the alcohol, give a donation to the charity. Don't go

1483
01:09:26,812 --> 01:09:29,532
Speaker 19: as you can't if you know that you've got some

1484
01:09:29,772 --> 01:09:35,132
Speaker 19: allergy towards the alcohol. Look, I'm empathetic with some people

1485
01:09:35,572 --> 01:09:40,213
Speaker 19: because the alcohol is a disease of the blood and

1486
01:09:40,293 --> 01:09:44,412
Speaker 19: some things. It's genetic, and I'm empathetic. But I've known

1487
01:09:45,053 --> 01:09:47,333
Speaker 19: some Mormon girls that I worked with. They went at

1488
01:09:47,372 --> 01:09:50,372
Speaker 19: all having the problem with alcohol, but they used to

1489
01:09:50,372 --> 01:09:53,053
Speaker 19: come to the pub with us. We will work to

1490
01:09:53,093 --> 01:09:56,732
Speaker 19: give them their distrink Santa or whatever it was. And

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01:09:57,372 --> 01:10:01,053
Speaker 19: I can't stand part. We've got too many of the

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01:10:01,173 --> 01:10:05,213
Speaker 19: lefties in this country who are either Party Propose or

1493
01:10:05,293 --> 01:10:09,133
Speaker 19: the some police or whatever. They can only surround themselves

1494
01:10:09,293 --> 01:10:14,812
Speaker 19: with their own dilemma horizontally and vertically and thinking, oh, well,

1495
01:10:14,893 --> 01:10:17,213
Speaker 19: poor old me, I can't do this or whatever, and

1496
01:10:17,213 --> 01:10:20,412
Speaker 19: they want to be the fun police or whatever it is,

1497
01:10:20,492 --> 01:10:22,253
Speaker 19: or the party for the rest of us.

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01:10:22,572 --> 01:10:24,652
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, because I definitely don't don't I mean,

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01:10:24,853 --> 01:10:26,532
Speaker 3: I think people must understanding me a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying.

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01:10:27,093 --> 01:10:31,452
Speaker 3: Compulsory drinking at charity events and that everyone has to

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01:10:31,492 --> 01:10:33,732
Speaker 3: get steamed. And definitely this one we're talking about in

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01:10:33,772 --> 01:10:36,892
Speaker 3: Duneda and they were just talking about serving some drinks

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01:10:36,893 --> 01:10:40,173
Speaker 3: while people were watching a fashion show. It certainly didn't

1505
01:10:40,213 --> 01:10:41,772
Speaker 3: sound to me like it was going to be a

1506
01:10:41,933 --> 01:10:44,572
Speaker 3: massive booze up. But you know, I've got people that

1507
01:10:44,572 --> 01:10:46,372
Speaker 3: I've got friends that don't drink, and I've spent periods

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01:10:46,412 --> 01:10:48,692
Speaker 3: of my time when i haven't drunk alcohol. I didn't

1509
01:10:48,732 --> 01:10:51,772
Speaker 3: drink alcohol for a year at one point. And you

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01:10:51,973 --> 01:10:54,253
Speaker 3: definitely want to put a charity event that invites people

1511
01:10:54,253 --> 01:10:56,013
Speaker 3: that don't drink as well, and you want to be

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01:10:56,013 --> 01:10:59,572
Speaker 3: as encouraging and inviting to people as you can that

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01:10:59,732 --> 01:11:03,093
Speaker 3: don't drink. But my thing is your charity event will

1514
01:11:03,133 --> 01:11:04,932
Speaker 3: go better if there's alcohol there.

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01:11:04,973 --> 01:11:06,452
Speaker 2: That's just the way it is.

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Speaker 3: And I don't think that we should kneecapt charities by

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01:11:09,093 --> 01:11:12,812
Speaker 3: saying that because of who they're supporting, they should suddenly

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01:11:12,853 --> 01:11:15,213
Speaker 3: not be able to serve alcohol when the bar down

1519
01:11:15,253 --> 01:11:19,093
Speaker 3: the road is when the sport eventers. When people can

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01:11:19,173 --> 01:11:21,173
Speaker 3: drink alcohol at home, that's That's what I'm saying.

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01:11:21,213 --> 01:11:24,253
Speaker 4: They're all always lovely to chat with you. Molly, how

1522
01:11:24,293 --> 01:11:25,013
Speaker 4: do you feel about this?

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01:11:26,973 --> 01:11:28,812
Speaker 14: Yeah, Hi, I'm just ringing.

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01:11:29,173 --> 01:11:34,133
Speaker 8: I'm actually a drugging alcohol counselor, long time listener and caller,

1525
01:11:34,893 --> 01:11:38,812
Speaker 8: and I think that the lady that called them before

1526
01:11:38,893 --> 01:11:41,972
Speaker 8: that had the idea that if you're at a charity

1527
01:11:41,973 --> 01:11:45,133
Speaker 8: that doesn't involve anything to do with healthcare of mental health,

1528
01:11:45,253 --> 01:11:48,692
Speaker 8: then by all things, you should potentially be serving alcohol.

1529
01:11:49,412 --> 01:11:52,173
Speaker 8: I mean the argument that you know your charity is

1530
01:11:52,213 --> 01:11:55,732
Speaker 8: going to be doing better of alcohols. There is just

1531
01:11:55,853 --> 01:11:58,532
Speaker 8: a massive reflection of the issue that we have with

1532
01:11:58,612 --> 01:12:02,653
Speaker 8: alcohol in this country and globally. If you think about tobacco,

1533
01:12:02,812 --> 01:12:06,612
Speaker 8: it was prescribed to women to smoke in the nineteen

1534
01:12:06,652 --> 01:12:09,333
Speaker 8: sixties when they were pregnant. We look back now in

1535
01:12:09,492 --> 01:12:13,852
Speaker 8: absolute horror at the atrocity and the absolute bomb site

1536
01:12:13,853 --> 01:12:17,693
Speaker 8: that's been left from the tobacco industry. Yet we continue

1537
01:12:17,692 --> 01:12:21,612
Speaker 8: to push alcohol like it's this normal thing. You're literally

1538
01:12:21,652 --> 01:12:24,093
Speaker 8: putting a chemical that is poisonous into you.

1539
01:12:24,652 --> 01:12:26,452
Speaker 3: It is, I would say it is a normal thing.

1540
01:12:26,452 --> 01:12:30,692
Speaker 3: Though alcohol at the extremes, at the extremes, it's bad.

1541
01:12:30,772 --> 01:12:32,132
Speaker 2: Molly extremes.

1542
01:12:32,133 --> 01:12:34,852
Speaker 3: It's bad, but it is in our society a normal thing.

1543
01:12:35,293 --> 01:12:38,293
Speaker 3: So for you to say that other people can serve

1544
01:12:38,372 --> 01:12:42,412
Speaker 3: alcohol but charities can't, or charities that are related to

1545
01:12:42,452 --> 01:12:45,013
Speaker 3: any way to health can't, that seems to me you're

1546
01:12:45,093 --> 01:12:47,133
Speaker 3: kneecapping the very people that are trying to do good.

1547
01:12:47,933 --> 01:12:49,933
Speaker 8: Do you know what the challenge is is that the

1548
01:12:49,973 --> 01:12:52,932
Speaker 8: World House Organization has said that people should be drinking

1549
01:12:53,013 --> 01:12:56,812
Speaker 8: no more for men than three standard drinks per sitting,

1550
01:12:57,412 --> 01:13:00,293
Speaker 8: no more than fifteen standard drinks per week. There is

1551
01:13:00,372 --> 01:13:04,012
Speaker 8: research and science coming out now that is saying there

1552
01:13:04,133 --> 01:13:05,493
Speaker 8: is no safe limit.

1553
01:13:05,253 --> 01:13:08,532
Speaker 3: To our Okay, but what about isolation and loneliness, which

1554
01:13:08,532 --> 01:13:11,133
Speaker 3: is a much bigger problem in society than anything ouse

1555
01:13:11,173 --> 01:13:14,652
Speaker 3: at the moment. And people, for whatever reason are more

1556
01:13:14,732 --> 01:13:16,452
Speaker 3: likely to get together if they have a drink, and

1557
01:13:16,492 --> 01:13:18,532
Speaker 3: if they get together to have a drink for a

1558
01:13:18,572 --> 01:13:21,213
Speaker 3: good cause, then I think that the net good for

1559
01:13:21,293 --> 01:13:25,133
Speaker 3: society is higher than the net loss for society.

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01:13:25,893 --> 01:13:28,772
Speaker 8: I think that that's just an argument to continue to

1561
01:13:28,772 --> 01:13:32,333
Speaker 8: be able to maintain a behavior that's completely out of touch.

1562
01:13:32,652 --> 01:13:34,492
Speaker 3: Well, I know it's not out of touch because because

1563
01:13:34,572 --> 01:13:36,772
Speaker 3: it's what people in New Zealand do it's a big part.

1564
01:13:36,612 --> 01:13:37,852
Speaker 2: Of our society. I enjoy it.

1565
01:13:38,452 --> 01:13:39,293
Speaker 4: I enjoy a drink.

1566
01:13:39,572 --> 01:13:41,853
Speaker 3: I enjoy a drink, and I'm a functioning member of society,

1567
01:13:42,452 --> 01:13:45,652
Speaker 3: and I'm a great parent, and I'm in reasonably good health.

1568
01:13:45,652 --> 01:13:48,013
Speaker 3: I go to the gym, I eat reasonably well. But

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01:13:48,053 --> 01:13:49,453
Speaker 3: I have a drink.

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01:13:49,452 --> 01:13:52,732
Speaker 8: You're defensive about it, and people are so defensive about it.

1571
01:13:52,772 --> 01:13:53,772
Speaker 2: I'm not defensive about it.

1572
01:13:54,412 --> 01:13:56,372
Speaker 8: You definitely are because you've over talked to me about

1573
01:13:56,372 --> 01:13:56,852
Speaker 8: ten times.

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01:13:57,093 --> 01:13:58,732
Speaker 2: People, Well, that's my radio show.

1575
01:13:59,772 --> 01:14:01,013
Speaker 4: No, No, this is a good bank, this is a

1576
01:14:01,013 --> 01:14:02,732
Speaker 4: good debate. And Molly, I'll meet your finish and then

1577
01:14:02,732 --> 01:14:05,052
Speaker 4: I'm going to question. Carry on, Molly, you have let.

1578
01:14:04,893 --> 01:14:07,773
Speaker 8: Me finish your course over men interrupted me multiple.

1579
01:14:07,412 --> 01:14:09,172
Speaker 2: Times, were repeating yourself.

1580
01:14:10,253 --> 01:14:11,532
Speaker 8: Well, no, you're not betting to be talking.

1581
01:14:11,572 --> 01:14:12,293
Speaker 24: You're quite Molly.

1582
01:14:12,293 --> 01:14:15,652
Speaker 4: We're running out of sign Please please just your point.

1583
01:14:16,692 --> 01:14:18,852
Speaker 8: I've given my point, but you continue to interrupt me.

1584
01:14:21,333 --> 01:14:23,093
Speaker 3: You gave your point, but I had to counter your point.

1585
01:14:23,093 --> 01:14:25,533
Speaker 3: And I appreciate your point and and I get your point.

1586
01:14:26,973 --> 01:14:30,173
Speaker 8: The point is is that just like smoking was normalized,

1587
01:14:30,213 --> 01:14:34,053
Speaker 8: we've normalized alcohol. And twenty years from now, I guarantee

1588
01:14:34,093 --> 01:14:36,772
Speaker 8: you will look back on this discussion and think that

1589
01:14:36,853 --> 01:14:40,173
Speaker 8: woman was right, Yes, drinking one or two beers here

1590
01:14:40,213 --> 01:14:43,292
Speaker 8: and there, stick to say that you have an issue,

1591
01:14:43,412 --> 01:14:46,852
Speaker 8: but alcohol and the idea that alcohol and drinking it

1592
01:14:47,013 --> 01:14:48,652
Speaker 8: regularly is normal.

1593
01:14:50,013 --> 01:14:53,333
Speaker 4: I think if you're giving a lot of talking over here,

1594
01:14:53,333 --> 01:14:55,652
Speaker 4: but this is both of you that I think something

1595
01:14:55,692 --> 01:14:59,732
Speaker 4: like tobacco is something that took fifty years, right, took

1596
01:14:59,812 --> 01:15:02,173
Speaker 4: fifty years to change that, and I think we're starting

1597
01:15:02,253 --> 01:15:02,812
Speaker 4: to change now.

1598
01:15:02,853 --> 01:15:03,133
Speaker 2: Molly.

1599
01:15:03,173 --> 01:15:05,053
Speaker 4: Do you not agree that we're starting to have more

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01:15:05,133 --> 01:15:05,812
Speaker 4: zero drinks.

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01:15:06,692 --> 01:15:10,053
Speaker 8: That's exactly what I'm saying, mate, And I'm not I'm

1602
01:15:10,093 --> 01:15:12,293
Speaker 8: not against having a drink here and there, but you

1603
01:15:12,492 --> 01:15:15,732
Speaker 8: have to really be honest with yourself and understand you

1604
01:15:15,772 --> 01:15:17,252
Speaker 8: are drinking a poison.

1605
01:15:17,572 --> 01:15:20,093
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, Well I've let you talk, Molly, and I

1606
01:15:20,093 --> 01:15:21,812
Speaker 3: didn't talk over you, and then you repeated your point

1607
01:15:22,293 --> 01:15:24,612
Speaker 3: five times. And I agree with you one hundred percent

1608
01:15:24,652 --> 01:15:26,973
Speaker 3: on that that alcohol is bad. I get that, but

1609
01:15:27,093 --> 01:15:29,213
Speaker 3: everything in society is good and bad. And you weighed up,

1610
01:15:29,213 --> 01:15:31,732
Speaker 3: and I think bringing people together to have a drink

1611
01:15:31,772 --> 01:15:34,453
Speaker 3: for a charity is a net good for society.

1612
01:15:34,732 --> 01:15:36,132
Speaker 2: And we're a long way.

1613
01:15:35,973 --> 01:15:40,973
Speaker 3: And prohibit prohibit prohibiting. Yeah, alcohol has never worked in

1614
01:15:40,973 --> 01:15:43,293
Speaker 3: the past. So you know, education is a good thing

1615
01:15:43,372 --> 01:15:45,572
Speaker 3: and people know when they're drinking too much and some

1616
01:15:45,612 --> 01:15:48,092
Speaker 3: people don't. But in society, we live in a society

1617
01:15:48,093 --> 01:15:49,692
Speaker 3: where people drink a lot of alcohol.

1618
01:15:49,732 --> 01:15:51,812
Speaker 2: And why is it the charities are getting punished for it?

1619
01:15:51,973 --> 01:15:52,133
Speaker 22: Right?

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01:15:52,213 --> 01:15:54,612
Speaker 4: Good debate, Molly, Thank you very much. You've been a

1621
01:15:54,652 --> 01:15:57,772
Speaker 4: regular caller and always appreciate you calling. And it's got feisty,

1622
01:15:57,893 --> 01:16:01,492
Speaker 4: but nothing wrong with that. Yeah, we can get fisting.

1623
01:16:01,612 --> 01:16:02,652
Speaker 2: Said it didn't get fisty.

1624
01:16:02,732 --> 01:16:04,772
Speaker 4: No, no, it's a good debate. I'm really enjoying this. Oh,

1625
01:16:04,812 --> 01:16:06,772
Speaker 4: one hundred and eighty to eighty. It's nine minutes a

1626
01:16:06,772 --> 01:16:07,372
Speaker 4: three back in a.

1627
01:16:07,372 --> 01:16:11,732
Speaker 1: Month, the issues that affect you and a bit of

1628
01:16:11,772 --> 01:16:15,213
Speaker 1: fun along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons

1629
01:16:15,372 --> 01:16:16,572
Speaker 1: you for twenty twenty four.

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01:16:16,772 --> 01:16:17,772
Speaker 5: You talk said, be.

1631
01:16:19,492 --> 01:16:22,852
Speaker 4: Six to three. Get I Gary a.

1632
01:16:25,772 --> 01:16:27,132
Speaker 27: Talking to the host?

1633
01:16:27,452 --> 01:16:29,253
Speaker 4: Yep, Gary, what are you reckon about?

1634
01:16:29,253 --> 01:16:29,852
Speaker 6: How you're right?

1635
01:16:31,053 --> 01:16:35,373
Speaker 27: Right? My main concern is, yeah, I'm not against alcohol.

1636
01:16:35,532 --> 01:16:39,013
Speaker 27: We've got it and it does have some benefits, but

1637
01:16:39,173 --> 01:16:43,412
Speaker 27: we can't ignore the science that long term it does

1638
01:16:43,492 --> 01:16:46,692
Speaker 27: have serious effects on people. No, doubt and so my

1639
01:16:46,812 --> 01:16:51,852
Speaker 27: main concern is the over promotion of alcohol and saying, hey,

1640
01:16:52,572 --> 01:16:55,693
Speaker 27: if you have alcohol, all their problems will go away.

1641
01:16:56,093 --> 01:16:58,732
Speaker 27: Things will be good, you can talk, well, you can relax.

1642
01:16:59,293 --> 01:17:04,492
Speaker 27: But and you know, like you go to a party

1643
01:17:04,532 --> 01:17:06,932
Speaker 27: and advertise come along to the party in the first

1644
01:17:07,013 --> 01:17:10,772
Speaker 27: drinks of for free, these sorts of promotional things. I

1645
01:17:10,812 --> 01:17:15,492
Speaker 27: think we can enjoy benefits of this and thinks, yeah.

1646
01:17:15,652 --> 01:17:18,013
Speaker 3: Absolutely, that may be an issue, Gary, But do you

1647
01:17:18,053 --> 01:17:20,253
Speaker 3: think it should be the charities that are the ones

1648
01:17:20,333 --> 01:17:23,533
Speaker 3: that are being questioned on their serving of the alcohol,

1649
01:17:23,812 --> 01:17:26,213
Speaker 3: because aren't they the people that are actually doing good?

1650
01:17:27,293 --> 01:17:27,492
Speaker 13: Yeah?

1651
01:17:27,572 --> 01:17:31,212
Speaker 27: Okay, Look, I belong to one of the biggest charities

1652
01:17:31,213 --> 01:17:36,253
Speaker 27: in the world, namely Rotary. We have meetings every week.

1653
01:17:37,853 --> 01:17:40,293
Speaker 27: All our members come along. Yes, there is a bar

1654
01:17:40,532 --> 01:17:43,772
Speaker 27: often at the function. Some people will have alcohol, some

1655
01:17:43,853 --> 01:17:48,652
Speaker 27: will have non alcoholic drinks, and they're not coming there

1656
01:17:48,732 --> 01:17:53,653
Speaker 27: for the drinks. They're coming there or what the association

1657
01:17:53,772 --> 01:17:55,532
Speaker 27: of the organization and the charity.

1658
01:17:55,732 --> 01:17:56,293
Speaker 2: Well, good on them.

1659
01:17:56,333 --> 01:18:01,133
Speaker 3: You certainly wouldn't want to run a charity event where

1660
01:18:01,213 --> 01:18:05,372
Speaker 3: drinking was compulsory. No one would be suggesting that. And

1661
01:18:06,133 --> 01:18:08,572
Speaker 3: bless and good on people that go alone on to

1662
01:18:08,652 --> 01:18:12,492
Speaker 3: these events and have nothing but the purest of intentions

1663
01:18:12,492 --> 01:18:15,412
Speaker 3: for the charity. But what I'm saying is why why

1664
01:18:15,452 --> 01:18:17,972
Speaker 3: would we needcap charities and say that they can't serve

1665
01:18:17,973 --> 01:18:21,253
Speaker 3: alcohol when everyone else can serve alcohol?

1666
01:18:22,053 --> 01:18:23,532
Speaker 4: Yep, no fair point, Gary.

1667
01:18:23,652 --> 01:18:26,372
Speaker 27: I think it's I think it's a slightal thing that

1668
01:18:26,572 --> 01:18:27,812
Speaker 27: people get.

1669
01:18:27,692 --> 01:18:29,932
Speaker 2: Hoped on this some people and.

1670
01:18:29,933 --> 01:18:33,092
Speaker 27: If we can, if we can continue to promote it,

1671
01:18:33,093 --> 01:18:36,372
Speaker 27: it's going to be difficult to bring it under control.

1672
01:18:36,452 --> 01:18:39,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, Gary, And definitely there's an argument that is

1673
01:18:39,173 --> 01:18:39,812
Speaker 3: out of control.

1674
01:18:40,732 --> 01:18:41,812
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that.

1675
01:18:41,853 --> 01:18:45,253
Speaker 3: But I guess you go, do we punish everyone because

1676
01:18:45,293 --> 01:18:46,652
Speaker 3: some people have serious problems?

1677
01:18:47,253 --> 01:18:47,492
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1678
01:18:47,532 --> 01:18:50,652
Speaker 4: And you're we want to refocus it on charity events, right,

1679
01:18:50,812 --> 01:18:53,492
Speaker 4: These are events that are trying to raise money for

1680
01:18:53,572 --> 01:18:57,613
Speaker 4: a good in society. Yes, alcohol can be bad for society,

1681
01:18:57,692 --> 01:19:00,572
Speaker 4: but in you know, these situations where it's one or

1682
01:19:00,572 --> 01:19:03,412
Speaker 4: two drinks does that overallway? As you say, the good

1683
01:19:03,492 --> 01:19:05,372
Speaker 4: that people are going to these events are going to

1684
01:19:05,412 --> 01:19:07,692
Speaker 4: provide that charity. We're going to carry this on because

1685
01:19:07,692 --> 01:19:10,173
Speaker 4: this is a good toyon O. Wait, one hundred eighty

1686
01:19:10,213 --> 01:19:12,612
Speaker 4: ten eighty is and I'm gonna call nine to nine

1687
01:19:12,732 --> 01:19:15,812
Speaker 4: to New Sport and weather on its way. You're listening

1688
01:19:15,853 --> 01:19:18,173
Speaker 4: to Madame Tyler, very very good afternoon to.

1689
01:19:18,333 --> 01:19:27,173
Speaker 1: You your new home for instateful and enter teening talk.

1690
01:19:27,333 --> 01:19:31,852
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Tylor Adams afternoons on News Talk SEBB.

1691
01:19:33,253 --> 01:19:35,692
Speaker 4: Very very good afternoons. You welcome back into the show.

1692
01:19:35,772 --> 01:19:38,053
Speaker 4: Seven past three. We are heaving. I think it's a

1693
01:19:38,093 --> 01:19:40,772
Speaker 4: lively debate, and nothing wrong with a lively debate.

1694
01:19:40,812 --> 01:19:41,012
Speaker 5: Man.

1695
01:19:41,333 --> 01:19:42,452
Speaker 2: I love a lively debate.

1696
01:19:42,532 --> 01:19:45,293
Speaker 4: I certainly do, fantastic, certainly do. And I've got to

1697
01:19:45,293 --> 01:19:46,812
Speaker 4: come hot. I'll tell you what.

1698
01:19:47,013 --> 01:19:51,652
Speaker 3: People can text fast will what coming what? And I

1699
01:19:51,732 --> 01:19:57,013
Speaker 3: got to say fifty percent absolute unadulterated love for my

1700
01:19:57,093 --> 01:19:59,732
Speaker 3: opinion and fifty percent death threats.

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01:19:59,772 --> 01:20:00,452
Speaker 4: Oh good number.

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01:20:01,093 --> 01:20:02,092
Speaker 2: I think that's a good ratio.

1703
01:20:02,372 --> 01:20:04,452
Speaker 4: But just backing up my mate across the table here,

1704
01:20:04,652 --> 01:20:07,492
Speaker 4: I know he's a genuinely good man, good dad, good

1705
01:20:07,572 --> 01:20:10,972
Speaker 4: cuman being. But you've got your views, the staunch views,

1706
01:20:11,013 --> 01:20:11,612
Speaker 4: so that's good.

1707
01:20:11,812 --> 01:20:13,012
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't think.

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01:20:13,412 --> 01:20:16,492
Speaker 3: I don't think I think people if people think that

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01:20:16,492 --> 01:20:19,572
Speaker 3: there's something wrong with that, somehow you're a bad human

1710
01:20:19,572 --> 01:20:21,572
Speaker 3: being because you say and let's go back to the

1711
01:20:21,572 --> 01:20:26,293
Speaker 3: topic we're talking about that you believe that serving drinks

1712
01:20:26,333 --> 01:20:30,572
Speaker 3: at charity nights is a good thing if within reason,

1713
01:20:30,612 --> 01:20:33,253
Speaker 3: if it brings people along and you make more money

1714
01:20:33,293 --> 01:20:35,892
Speaker 3: for the charity. That's really what we're talking about here.

1715
01:20:35,933 --> 01:20:38,732
Speaker 3: Is no one denying, and you'd be crazy to deny

1716
01:20:38,853 --> 01:20:41,973
Speaker 3: that alcohol does damage in society. I also believe it

1717
01:20:41,973 --> 01:20:45,452
Speaker 3: does good when it brings people together, and when it.

1718
01:20:45,372 --> 01:20:48,133
Speaker 4: Brings people to the distinction right when it brings.

1719
01:20:47,893 --> 01:20:51,652
Speaker 3: People together to make money for charity, then I've got

1720
01:20:51,692 --> 01:20:53,892
Speaker 3: to say, on balance it's probably doing more bad than

1721
01:20:53,933 --> 01:20:55,732
Speaker 3: good on that particular evening.

1722
01:20:56,053 --> 01:20:57,612
Speaker 2: And the wider discussion.

1723
01:20:57,253 --> 01:20:59,972
Speaker 3: About alcohol, boy oh boy, that is a huge one.

1724
01:21:00,013 --> 01:21:02,612
Speaker 3: And prohibition hasn't worked in the past, and a lot

1725
01:21:02,612 --> 01:21:06,813
Speaker 3: of these people are texting in and screaming for prohibition

1726
01:21:07,492 --> 01:21:10,692
Speaker 3: that doesn't really work. And Molly before that was saying

1727
01:21:10,732 --> 01:21:13,892
Speaker 3: alcohol isn't normal and it's a poison. It's definitely a poison,

1728
01:21:14,213 --> 01:21:16,412
Speaker 3: but it is quite normal in New Zealand society. So

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01:21:16,452 --> 01:21:19,133
Speaker 3: I don't think why charities, Why charities would be the

1730
01:21:19,213 --> 01:21:21,452
Speaker 3: ones that would be picked out as being the ones

1731
01:21:21,492 --> 01:21:25,053
Speaker 3: that can't serve it when bottle stores and bars so

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01:21:25,253 --> 01:21:28,612
Speaker 3: close to those charities where they're operating their particular function,

1733
01:21:29,093 --> 01:21:30,052
Speaker 3: are wanting to serve.

1734
01:21:29,853 --> 01:21:32,532
Speaker 4: It nicely said. Now, you mentioned before that you took

1735
01:21:32,532 --> 01:21:35,412
Speaker 4: a year off drinking, and you were going to explain why.

1736
01:21:35,692 --> 01:21:37,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, I took it your drinking because I wanted to

1737
01:21:37,732 --> 01:21:40,852
Speaker 3: show that I could because and look, there's no doubt

1738
01:21:40,933 --> 01:21:43,692
Speaker 3: I've drunk too much times in my life. And you know,

1739
01:21:43,812 --> 01:21:46,612
Speaker 3: I've got kids that are growing up, and I tell

1740
01:21:46,652 --> 01:21:51,093
Speaker 3: them lots of rules around drinking and try and bring

1741
01:21:51,133 --> 01:21:53,532
Speaker 3: them up in a way where they know that moderation

1742
01:21:53,812 --> 01:21:55,412
Speaker 3: is the way. And there's definitely times in my life

1743
01:21:55,452 --> 01:21:58,772
Speaker 3: when I haven't been moderate in my drinking, and so

1744
01:21:59,293 --> 01:22:01,013
Speaker 3: I stopped drinking.

1745
01:22:00,732 --> 01:22:05,012
Speaker 2: For it for a year. It was hard.

1746
01:22:05,053 --> 01:22:07,452
Speaker 3: Initially it seemed to be that there was a function,

1747
01:22:09,013 --> 01:22:10,852
Speaker 3: so many functions that I really needed to go to

1748
01:22:10,933 --> 01:22:12,612
Speaker 3: jump up. But I just learned how to be sober

1749
01:22:12,732 --> 01:22:16,692
Speaker 3: at these functions. I'll tell you what, the bluff Oyster Festival,

1750
01:22:16,812 --> 01:22:18,213
Speaker 3: that was a tough one to stay sober.

1751
01:22:18,973 --> 01:22:21,492
Speaker 2: That's good for a tough one, but if you.

1752
01:22:21,452 --> 01:22:24,293
Speaker 3: Do choose to have a time to be sober, you're

1753
01:22:24,333 --> 01:22:26,133
Speaker 3: going to have to realize that there will never be

1754
01:22:26,173 --> 01:22:28,333
Speaker 3: a good time. There will always be something that is

1755
01:22:28,412 --> 01:22:31,333
Speaker 3: absolutely important to be there. But when I came out

1756
01:22:31,372 --> 01:22:33,372
Speaker 3: at the end of that year and I started drinking again,

1757
01:22:34,213 --> 01:22:38,293
Speaker 3: I started drinking in moderation and sometimes I don't.

1758
01:22:38,293 --> 01:22:39,572
Speaker 2: Sometimes I drink too much.

1759
01:22:39,452 --> 01:22:39,532
Speaker 12: But.

1760
01:22:41,612 --> 01:22:44,093
Speaker 3: I think that is that's a personal issue for me,

1761
01:22:44,893 --> 01:22:46,973
Speaker 3: and I think I don't cause any trouble when I've

1762
01:22:46,973 --> 01:22:50,932
Speaker 3: been drinking. But that's kind of a different issue than

1763
01:22:50,973 --> 01:22:53,492
Speaker 3: what we're discussing. I think the whole thing went off

1764
01:22:53,492 --> 01:22:56,492
Speaker 3: the topic. We're not discussing whether alcohol.

1765
01:22:56,013 --> 01:22:58,012
Speaker 2: Should be banned and we should bring prohibition back.

1766
01:22:58,372 --> 01:23:02,053
Speaker 3: We're discussing whether it seems fear that a charity has

1767
01:23:02,093 --> 01:23:05,372
Speaker 3: been questioned about serving alcohol because of the nature of

1768
01:23:05,412 --> 01:23:07,852
Speaker 3: its charity, and whether that is the focus of the

1769
01:23:07,853 --> 01:23:11,053
Speaker 3: people that wouldn't be serving alcohol, and whether you can

1770
01:23:11,093 --> 01:23:14,732
Speaker 3: have a successful charity evening, say, for example, a charity

1771
01:23:14,812 --> 01:23:18,412
Speaker 3: quiz or a fundraiser without alcohol. That's really the question

1772
01:23:18,732 --> 01:23:19,772
Speaker 3: we're discussing here.

1773
01:23:20,013 --> 01:23:21,852
Speaker 4: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1774
01:23:21,853 --> 01:23:22,732
Speaker 4: to call get a case.

1775
01:23:23,933 --> 01:23:27,492
Speaker 26: Hi, I totally agree, Like I wouldn't go to a

1776
01:23:27,612 --> 01:23:31,333
Speaker 26: top charity event without alcohol, and I definitely get loose

1777
01:23:31,412 --> 01:23:35,492
Speaker 26: with my wallet on there. It's great time, but I

1778
01:23:35,532 --> 01:23:38,213
Speaker 26: haven't heard the whole conversation. But what I haven't heard

1779
01:23:38,253 --> 01:23:41,253
Speaker 26: anyone say is the other pieces. When people drink, they

1780
01:23:41,293 --> 01:23:44,213
Speaker 26: get looser with their lips and then they start having conversations,

1781
01:23:44,213 --> 01:23:48,692
Speaker 26: and if people are having struggles, they start talking about

1782
01:23:48,692 --> 01:23:52,532
Speaker 26: it that they otherwise wouldn't necessarily start talking about. So

1783
01:23:52,572 --> 01:23:54,052
Speaker 26: it opened up the conversation further.

1784
01:23:54,372 --> 01:23:55,452
Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent.

1785
01:23:55,572 --> 01:23:56,492
Speaker 2: K I experienced this.

1786
01:23:56,572 --> 01:23:58,173
Speaker 3: I was saying this before the other night, and there

1787
01:23:58,213 --> 01:24:01,093
Speaker 3: was a mental health charity event that I was speaking at,

1788
01:24:01,293 --> 01:24:02,933
Speaker 3: and that was the whole idea of it. It was

1789
01:24:02,973 --> 01:24:06,692
Speaker 3: getting as many people as they could together, and after

1790
01:24:06,732 --> 01:24:11,293
Speaker 3: every little round of question, we would encourage people around

1791
01:24:11,333 --> 01:24:13,372
Speaker 3: the tables, would give them topics to get talking because

1792
01:24:13,372 --> 01:24:15,652
Speaker 3: it was about male mental health and it was about

1793
01:24:15,652 --> 01:24:18,492
Speaker 3: getting people talking. I just don't believe any of those

1794
01:24:18,492 --> 01:24:20,372
Speaker 3: guys would have been there if there was an alcoho

1795
01:24:20,652 --> 01:24:22,772
Speaker 3: and they might not have had those deeper conversations that

1796
01:24:22,812 --> 01:24:23,773
Speaker 3: you're talking about.

1797
01:24:23,612 --> 01:24:25,452
Speaker 25: Kate, totally.

1798
01:24:25,652 --> 01:24:27,333
Speaker 26: My mum club, there were six of us that went

1799
01:24:27,372 --> 01:24:31,213
Speaker 26: out for dinner and all having wines, and it was

1800
01:24:31,253 --> 01:24:33,612
Speaker 26: only after a few wines that half of us opened

1801
01:24:33,692 --> 01:24:36,412
Speaker 26: up that we were struggling with post partum anxiety and

1802
01:24:36,452 --> 01:24:39,932
Speaker 26: depression and picturing to deal with it, or you wouldn't

1803
01:24:39,973 --> 01:24:41,172
Speaker 26: have told each other that otherwise.

1804
01:24:41,893 --> 01:24:44,652
Speaker 3: Yes, So it's kind of a zero sum game that

1805
01:24:44,692 --> 01:24:48,092
Speaker 3: people are running that mental health and alcohol is bad,

1806
01:24:48,173 --> 01:24:50,653
Speaker 3: and in some cases it is, but there are situations

1807
01:24:50,692 --> 01:24:53,852
Speaker 3: where people to get together and alcohol, as you're saying, Kate,

1808
01:24:54,572 --> 01:24:56,612
Speaker 3: helps with your mental health situation.

1809
01:24:57,133 --> 01:24:57,972
Speaker 2: Like everything, it's.

1810
01:24:57,812 --> 01:25:02,253
Speaker 26: A balance for each other that we wouldn't have been

1811
01:25:02,412 --> 01:25:03,932
Speaker 26: had we not had a couple of wines and had

1812
01:25:03,933 --> 01:25:04,532
Speaker 26: the conversation.

1813
01:25:05,412 --> 01:25:05,652
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1814
01:25:05,812 --> 01:25:08,612
Speaker 4: So for you, Kate, you think the police oversteer tear

1815
01:25:08,652 --> 01:25:14,213
Speaker 4: with this particular charity, absolutely, very good, Thank you very much,

1816
01:25:14,253 --> 01:25:16,732
Speaker 4: Thank you, Kate. Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty.

1817
01:25:16,812 --> 01:25:18,412
Speaker 4: I think people are starting to come around and it

1818
01:25:18,452 --> 01:25:20,372
Speaker 4: was good. That's the distinction that you made, which I

1819
01:25:20,412 --> 01:25:22,732
Speaker 4: think is important. We can all agree and I know

1820
01:25:22,732 --> 01:25:24,652
Speaker 4: we're repeating this out there, but just to bring it

1821
01:25:24,692 --> 01:25:27,852
Speaker 4: back that a couple of drinks at a charity event,

1822
01:25:28,452 --> 01:25:33,133
Speaker 4: you're not somehow an evil person or contributing to the

1823
01:25:33,173 --> 01:25:35,532
Speaker 4: harm that alcohol causes. That was the point you were making,

1824
01:25:35,572 --> 01:25:37,173
Speaker 4: and I've got to say I do agree with that

1825
01:25:37,213 --> 01:25:38,012
Speaker 4: from that aspect.

1826
01:25:38,173 --> 01:25:40,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and Molly's point that she wanted to ring

1827
01:25:40,492 --> 01:25:42,492
Speaker 3: up and repeat the same point over and over again,

1828
01:25:42,652 --> 01:25:46,372
Speaker 3: and they've demand that the hosts of the show. I

1829
01:25:46,532 --> 01:25:47,652
Speaker 3: have to disagree with that.

1830
01:25:47,812 --> 01:25:48,612
Speaker 2: You get, you get.

1831
01:25:48,692 --> 01:25:51,732
Speaker 3: We want every call we can possibly get. We love

1832
01:25:51,812 --> 01:25:54,092
Speaker 3: talking to people, but you don't get to repeat yourself

1833
01:25:54,093 --> 01:25:56,813
Speaker 3: over and over again. This is not the way it works.

1834
01:25:57,253 --> 01:25:59,692
Speaker 3: There's the full lines backed up that we want to

1835
01:25:59,732 --> 01:26:00,612
Speaker 3: talk to everyone we can.

1836
01:26:00,812 --> 01:26:01,012
Speaker 6: Yep.

1837
01:26:01,372 --> 01:26:02,772
Speaker 4: So if you want to jump in, O eight one

1838
01:26:02,812 --> 01:26:04,532
Speaker 4: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1839
01:26:04,532 --> 01:26:08,173
Speaker 4: It's thirteen past three back in a moment news to

1840
01:26:08,772 --> 01:26:11,052
Speaker 4: be welcome back into the show. Sixteen past three.

1841
01:26:11,293 --> 01:26:14,412
Speaker 3: We're talking about alcohol at charity events.

1842
01:26:14,572 --> 01:26:17,772
Speaker 2: Is it a good or a bad thing? Can your thoughts?

1843
01:26:19,173 --> 01:26:20,893
Speaker 18: Yeah? Can you hear me?

1844
01:26:21,053 --> 01:26:21,333
Speaker 8: Right? Ye?

1845
01:26:21,492 --> 01:26:24,892
Speaker 2: Can hear you? But you sound good asweet?

1846
01:26:24,933 --> 01:26:31,532
Speaker 18: Okay. I yeah, that the lady who rung up before

1847
01:26:32,133 --> 01:26:34,932
Speaker 18: drug and alcohol counselor. I owe my life to drugon

1848
01:26:34,933 --> 01:26:39,213
Speaker 18: ale counselors. But the way the way her argument was

1849
01:26:39,213 --> 01:26:41,972
Speaker 18: put across made me want to go and have three

1850
01:26:42,053 --> 01:26:47,053
Speaker 18: drinks right like, just despite her. And that's not right.

1851
01:26:47,093 --> 01:26:52,253
Speaker 18: But that's I that you made the comment before that

1852
01:26:52,253 --> 01:26:57,452
Speaker 18: that not having alcohol at a function would kneecap And

1853
01:26:57,532 --> 01:26:59,652
Speaker 18: the fact that that that that that's a statement that

1854
01:27:00,253 --> 01:27:04,093
Speaker 18: somewhere that doesn't have alcohol is kneecapping everyone is kind

1855
01:27:04,093 --> 01:27:07,133
Speaker 18: of like like it kind of shows where we're at

1856
01:27:07,213 --> 01:27:16,772
Speaker 18: right My worry would be alcohol lowers inhibitions. I'm if

1857
01:27:16,772 --> 01:27:20,173
Speaker 18: I'm on the verge and I'm feeling really depressed and

1858
01:27:21,372 --> 01:27:24,133
Speaker 18: I've thrown up the idea which which I have. I've

1859
01:27:24,173 --> 01:27:28,812
Speaker 18: spent my life in addiction and I've thought about suicide

1860
01:27:28,812 --> 01:27:33,532
Speaker 18: many times. Being drunk, you lose that inhibition to.

1861
01:27:35,732 --> 01:27:36,012
Speaker 5: Fuck?

1862
01:27:36,093 --> 01:27:38,012
Speaker 18: What about the people around me? Sorry?

1863
01:27:38,213 --> 01:27:38,532
Speaker 5: What if?

1864
01:27:38,732 --> 01:27:39,652
Speaker 18: What if I hurt people?

1865
01:27:39,692 --> 01:27:39,772
Speaker 27: What?

1866
01:27:39,933 --> 01:27:42,652
Speaker 18: They start not thinking of that stuff because of the

1867
01:27:42,652 --> 01:27:45,892
Speaker 18: other whole And to me, that might make you more

1868
01:27:45,973 --> 01:27:49,892
Speaker 18: likely to to take the step as scary as that

1869
01:27:49,973 --> 01:27:53,172
Speaker 18: as I Yeah, I don't know if they should have alcohol.

1870
01:27:53,253 --> 01:27:56,293
Speaker 18: The fact that it's a thing is kind of just

1871
01:27:56,333 --> 01:27:58,492
Speaker 18: showing where where our society is at.

1872
01:28:00,173 --> 01:28:01,293
Speaker 4: Yeah, I understand.

1873
01:28:01,293 --> 01:28:03,532
Speaker 3: I guess what I'd be saying, kind is it's odd

1874
01:28:03,572 --> 01:28:06,532
Speaker 3: that it's the charity that you would you would hassle

1875
01:28:06,572 --> 01:28:08,333
Speaker 3: about that rather than a bar. But if you don't,

1876
01:28:08,333 --> 01:28:10,173
Speaker 3: don't mind me asking, can't how is how have you

1877
01:28:10,412 --> 01:28:12,133
Speaker 3: fought your addiction.

1878
01:28:14,293 --> 01:28:14,892
Speaker 2: Or worked with it.

1879
01:28:16,013 --> 01:28:22,412
Speaker 18: I have been to three or four reheads. I ended

1880
01:28:22,452 --> 01:28:24,492
Speaker 18: up going to a place called Higher Ground in Auckland

1881
01:28:24,612 --> 01:28:29,452
Speaker 18: and it saved my life. I'm drugon ale counseling and

1882
01:28:29,612 --> 01:28:34,852
Speaker 18: NA meetings and AA meetings were the two things that Yeah,

1883
01:28:34,973 --> 01:28:36,652
Speaker 18: like I said, I'm on eight and a half is

1884
01:28:36,692 --> 01:28:39,172
Speaker 18: clean and I would never go back to drinking.

1885
01:28:39,372 --> 01:28:40,213
Speaker 2: Congratulations.

1886
01:28:41,532 --> 01:28:41,892
Speaker 26: Thanks.

1887
01:28:42,293 --> 01:28:45,412
Speaker 18: That means a lot. When I say no to somebody

1888
01:28:45,412 --> 01:28:49,053
Speaker 18: offering me a drink, that is really weird for them. Yeah,

1889
01:28:49,093 --> 01:28:53,692
Speaker 18: it's unheard of, unheard of. I've said no to a

1890
01:28:53,732 --> 01:28:56,013
Speaker 18: few people offering me drinks and the looks like it

1891
01:28:56,253 --> 01:29:00,053
Speaker 18: and the like it's what planet are you from? You know,

1892
01:29:00,333 --> 01:29:03,293
Speaker 18: like the fact that saying no to a drink is

1893
01:29:03,372 --> 01:29:04,012
Speaker 18: so weird.

1894
01:29:05,652 --> 01:29:07,572
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think you're so right there, Cahn.

1895
01:29:07,692 --> 01:29:08,253
Speaker 2: That is the strain.

1896
01:29:08,452 --> 01:29:11,253
Speaker 3: Just think when I wasn't drinking, the idea that was

1897
01:29:11,372 --> 01:29:15,133
Speaker 3: almost offensive to other people that I wasn't and I

1898
01:29:15,133 --> 01:29:18,452
Speaker 3: would try and draw it, order zero alcohol beers to

1899
01:29:19,372 --> 01:29:22,053
Speaker 3: and I'd say to the person that was bringing them over,

1900
01:29:22,173 --> 01:29:24,572
Speaker 3: don't say because sometimes I'd order them and then they

1901
01:29:24,652 --> 01:29:25,572
Speaker 3: bring them over and say.

1902
01:29:25,412 --> 01:29:27,452
Speaker 2: There goes this beer this because there's zero alcohol beer,

1903
01:29:27,452 --> 01:29:28,772
Speaker 2: and then it would become a whole thing. I don't

1904
01:29:28,812 --> 01:29:29,412
Speaker 2: get that at all.

1905
01:29:29,452 --> 01:29:31,812
Speaker 3: If someone doesn't want to drink, then then you've got

1906
01:29:31,812 --> 01:29:34,093
Speaker 3: to absolutely, one hundred percent respect that. It's a very

1907
01:29:34,133 --> 01:29:37,173
Speaker 3: strange part of our society that we would worry that

1908
01:29:37,213 --> 01:29:37,932
Speaker 3: someone else doesn't.

1909
01:29:37,933 --> 01:29:39,492
Speaker 2: We should support their decision.

1910
01:29:40,372 --> 01:29:43,892
Speaker 18: If anything, encourage it. Yeah, like, hey, good on you,

1911
01:29:43,893 --> 01:29:45,812
Speaker 18: you know, like, yeah, I don't know.

1912
01:29:46,772 --> 01:29:49,572
Speaker 2: Did you think maybe can? But part of that sorry

1913
01:29:49,572 --> 01:29:50,093
Speaker 2: you go can't.

1914
01:29:51,333 --> 01:29:54,012
Speaker 18: Oh, I just I was going to make the same

1915
01:29:54,013 --> 01:29:57,053
Speaker 18: point again. Now you're right, you go.

1916
01:29:58,013 --> 01:30:00,293
Speaker 3: I was just saying, do you think in some ways

1917
01:30:00,333 --> 01:30:04,652
Speaker 3: the reason why people are like that when someone's says

1918
01:30:04,692 --> 01:30:07,732
Speaker 3: they're not drinking, that they feel weird about their own

1919
01:30:07,812 --> 01:30:11,333
Speaker 3: drinking and so they feel kind of judged by it

1920
01:30:12,652 --> 01:30:16,293
Speaker 3: or so they so they want to be enabled they're

1921
01:30:16,452 --> 01:30:18,652
Speaker 3: having a drink, So when someone says they don't, it

1922
01:30:18,652 --> 01:30:20,572
Speaker 3: makes them have to look at themselves and question why

1923
01:30:20,612 --> 01:30:21,412
Speaker 3: they're having a drink.

1924
01:30:22,333 --> 01:30:25,572
Speaker 18: That's that's what I thought. I spent years pushing drinks

1925
01:30:25,612 --> 01:30:27,692
Speaker 18: on people because I felt bad about how much I

1926
01:30:27,732 --> 01:30:31,852
Speaker 18: was drinking, So I would trying other people drunk to

1927
01:30:32,013 --> 01:30:33,092
Speaker 18: make me not feel as.

1928
01:30:33,013 --> 01:30:36,852
Speaker 4: Bad what happened. Was there a catalyst, Khan that that

1929
01:30:37,013 --> 01:30:40,133
Speaker 4: made you wake up and say I need professional help here.

1930
01:30:43,372 --> 01:30:50,652
Speaker 18: Yes, my sister run both my kids parents and both

1931
01:30:50,692 --> 01:30:54,173
Speaker 18: my kids mums and told them it wasn't safe for

1932
01:30:54,213 --> 01:30:58,213
Speaker 18: my kids to be in my care anymore. I love

1933
01:30:58,253 --> 01:31:03,373
Speaker 18: my kids to bits and like the fact that alcohol

1934
01:31:03,572 --> 01:31:07,732
Speaker 18: and drugs took president of my kids was a yeah,

1935
01:31:07,853 --> 01:31:10,412
Speaker 18: I always knew that, but the fact that I was

1936
01:31:10,492 --> 01:31:12,333
Speaker 18: not allowed to see my kids because of how I

1937
01:31:12,372 --> 01:31:15,372
Speaker 18: was behaving was yeah. Yeah, that was a mean.

1938
01:31:15,612 --> 01:31:18,412
Speaker 3: Well, good on you man for doing what you're doing

1939
01:31:18,572 --> 01:31:21,053
Speaker 3: and eight and a half years sober, that is fantastic

1940
01:31:21,093 --> 01:31:23,932
Speaker 3: and you're obviously a good man and you've you've done

1941
01:31:23,933 --> 01:31:25,172
Speaker 3: the right thing by your family.

1942
01:31:25,253 --> 01:31:27,572
Speaker 2: So yeah, so I applaud you.

1943
01:31:27,692 --> 01:31:29,173
Speaker 4: Thank you very much so much for your call.

1944
01:31:29,213 --> 01:31:29,852
Speaker 2: Can't cheers?

1945
01:31:29,853 --> 01:31:33,412
Speaker 4: Can't it is twenty one past three eight hundred eighty

1946
01:31:33,452 --> 01:31:35,053
Speaker 4: ten eighty is the number to call if you want

1947
01:31:35,093 --> 01:31:36,333
Speaker 4: to jump in on this conversation.

1948
01:31:41,133 --> 01:31:44,812
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons, call oh, eight hundred eighty

1949
01:31:44,853 --> 01:31:46,692
Speaker 1: ten eighty on News Talk ZEDB.

1950
01:31:47,732 --> 01:31:50,652
Speaker 4: Us Talk zed B. Good afternoon, Steven, how are you

1951
01:31:51,572 --> 01:31:52,532
Speaker 4: I'm good going for you?

1952
01:31:52,652 --> 01:31:52,852
Speaker 14: Yeah?

1953
01:31:52,853 --> 01:31:53,013
Speaker 22: Good?

1954
01:31:53,133 --> 01:31:53,892
Speaker 4: What's your take on this?

1955
01:31:55,133 --> 01:31:58,532
Speaker 28: I really enjoyed the discussion. My title with my wife

1956
01:31:58,572 --> 01:32:02,093
Speaker 28: known a brewery, and part of what we're doing is

1957
01:32:02,093 --> 01:32:05,093
Speaker 28: coming back to the community, and one of those mechanisms

1958
01:32:05,213 --> 01:32:07,612
Speaker 28: is sponsorship and especially charity events.

1959
01:32:07,853 --> 01:32:08,093
Speaker 6: Yep.

1960
01:32:09,213 --> 01:32:11,852
Speaker 28: Be a lot of requests all the time, which obviously

1961
01:32:11,853 --> 01:32:14,532
Speaker 28: we can't fulfill, but for us, it's quite it's quite

1962
01:32:14,572 --> 01:32:17,893
Speaker 28: a powerful way to give back to the community.

1963
01:32:18,053 --> 01:32:18,333
Speaker 5: Yep.

1964
01:32:19,812 --> 01:32:22,012
Speaker 4: And do you do you ever get sorry, carry on, Stephen,

1965
01:32:22,732 --> 01:32:26,732
Speaker 4: don't you go? Do you ever get I suppose pushback

1966
01:32:26,772 --> 01:32:29,173
Speaker 4: from the community offering that service. I think I take

1967
01:32:29,173 --> 01:32:31,173
Speaker 4: my head off to you that you provide that to

1968
01:32:31,452 --> 01:32:34,333
Speaker 4: charities who need it to set up events. You're saving

1969
01:32:34,333 --> 01:32:37,772
Speaker 4: them a lot of money and effort to set up

1970
01:32:37,812 --> 01:32:39,612
Speaker 4: those events. But do you ever get pushed back on that?

1971
01:32:40,612 --> 01:32:43,372
Speaker 28: We never have, And it's something that I have thought

1972
01:32:43,412 --> 01:32:47,253
Speaker 28: about in this current moment. And alcohol right a harm.

1973
01:32:47,692 --> 01:32:49,932
Speaker 28: It's a real thing, and we're aware of it because

1974
01:32:49,933 --> 01:32:52,452
Speaker 28: we own restaurants as well, so we're quite aware of it.

1975
01:32:52,732 --> 01:32:54,892
Speaker 28: But the charity events, they just seem to be so

1976
01:32:54,973 --> 01:32:58,452
Speaker 28: grateful that they can actually have a mechanism to save

1977
01:32:58,772 --> 01:33:02,053
Speaker 28: or make money and make goodle enjoy themselves as well.

1978
01:33:03,452 --> 01:33:03,732
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1979
01:33:03,812 --> 01:33:07,452
Speaker 3: And would there be any charities that you wouldn't be

1980
01:33:07,572 --> 01:33:12,333
Speaker 3: associated did worth because it's directly related to alcohol?

1981
01:33:14,492 --> 01:33:17,572
Speaker 28: Well, potentially it would. We've never been in that situation before,

1982
01:33:17,732 --> 01:33:19,852
Speaker 28: so I've never really had to sort of had to

1983
01:33:19,893 --> 01:33:24,572
Speaker 28: confront it on All the charities we we support are

1984
01:33:24,612 --> 01:33:26,173
Speaker 28: sort of ones that we like and when we get

1985
01:33:26,213 --> 01:33:28,132
Speaker 28: more more requests than we can fulfilled.

1986
01:33:28,652 --> 01:33:28,892
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1987
01:33:28,893 --> 01:33:31,372
Speaker 3: It's an interesting way though, because every single charity, if

1988
01:33:31,372 --> 01:33:33,892
Speaker 3: you scratch the surface and if you if you really

1989
01:33:33,933 --> 01:33:36,452
Speaker 3: look into it, you could probably find a way where

1990
01:33:36,452 --> 01:33:38,412
Speaker 3: it's where it somehow a problem.

1991
01:33:38,492 --> 01:33:39,692
Speaker 2: As I said, I've done.

1992
01:33:39,532 --> 01:33:44,213
Speaker 3: Charity, I've done you know, charity gigs at pubs for

1993
01:33:44,293 --> 01:33:47,732
Speaker 3: bowel cancer. And people could point out and some people said, oh,

1994
01:33:47,853 --> 01:33:50,932
Speaker 3: that's that's not right because of you know, the link there.

1995
01:33:51,013 --> 01:33:56,173
Speaker 3: But there's there's kind of a link everywhere. It's an

1996
01:33:56,173 --> 01:33:58,732
Speaker 3: interesting one. But like everything, there's there's good and bad.

1997
01:33:58,772 --> 01:34:00,892
Speaker 3: You've got you've got a wagh everything up. And as

1998
01:34:00,933 --> 01:34:03,893
Speaker 3: you say there is, you know you're not You're not

1999
01:34:03,973 --> 01:34:06,852
Speaker 3: hiding from the fact that alcohol does have an effect

2000
01:34:06,973 --> 01:34:10,612
Speaker 3: on society, but it also has a positive effect as well,

2001
01:34:10,612 --> 01:34:11,852
Speaker 3: there's both sides to it.

2002
01:34:11,893 --> 01:34:13,492
Speaker 2: You've just got it. You've just got to weigh those

2003
01:34:13,532 --> 01:34:14,133
Speaker 2: up in your mind.

2004
01:34:14,293 --> 01:34:16,772
Speaker 28: Yeah, yeah, I did have one good whoopsie at one

2005
01:34:16,853 --> 01:34:17,532
Speaker 28: charity view.

2006
01:34:17,412 --> 01:34:19,852
Speaker 2: Though, Oh yeah, tell us so.

2007
01:34:19,973 --> 01:34:22,812
Speaker 28: The diamond ring twelve thousand dollars, the bidding at ten

2008
01:34:22,853 --> 01:34:29,452
Speaker 28: grand and I won. My wife's like, what hell did

2009
01:34:29,492 --> 01:34:29,893
Speaker 28: you just do?

2010
01:34:31,692 --> 01:34:33,492
Speaker 2: So your idea is we're going to get this is

2011
01:34:33,492 --> 01:34:35,732
Speaker 2: going to go to twenty grand grand. Let's just start

2012
01:34:35,732 --> 01:34:36,053
Speaker 2: it off.

2013
01:34:36,213 --> 01:34:38,213
Speaker 4: Started off yeah, and then nobody else but.

2014
01:34:39,772 --> 01:34:41,572
Speaker 28: We're going though, because one of one of our group

2015
01:34:41,692 --> 01:34:45,253
Speaker 28: was was thinking about proposing. So I managed to on

2016
01:34:45,412 --> 01:34:47,053
Speaker 28: sell it for the same price within an hour of

2017
01:34:47,053 --> 01:34:48,652
Speaker 28: the mark purchase. So we're that well thro.

2018
01:34:49,452 --> 01:34:53,612
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah Stephen Aaron, how are you?

2019
01:34:54,333 --> 01:34:55,293
Speaker 29: Yeah, I'm good things.

2020
01:34:55,732 --> 01:34:58,133
Speaker 4: And what's your story when it comes to charity auctions.

2021
01:34:58,572 --> 01:35:02,013
Speaker 29: Well, first of all, I like, so I don't need

2022
01:35:02,053 --> 01:35:04,532
Speaker 29: alcohol to have a good night. I've been to pedier

2023
01:35:04,572 --> 01:35:06,852
Speaker 29: parties where it's been an open bar and not drunk

2024
01:35:06,893 --> 01:35:08,692
Speaker 29: and stuff, and then there's been nights where I had

2025
01:35:08,772 --> 01:35:11,293
Speaker 29: drunk and had a good night. But probably a funny

2026
01:35:11,293 --> 01:35:13,892
Speaker 29: story was there was a charity fundraiser for romantic fever.

2027
01:35:14,772 --> 01:35:17,253
Speaker 29: I think I got a little bit tipsy and I

2028
01:35:17,293 --> 01:35:19,812
Speaker 29: was thinking I was bitting Ageese myself at the art option.

2029
01:35:22,093 --> 01:35:23,412
Speaker 4: I ended up winning for it was for.

2030
01:35:23,372 --> 01:35:24,012
Speaker 5: A good cause.

2031
01:35:24,452 --> 01:35:28,652
Speaker 4: You beat yourself, and.

2032
01:35:28,732 --> 01:35:31,133
Speaker 29: It was a little bit more than I, you know,

2033
01:35:31,293 --> 01:35:33,452
Speaker 29: wanted to but still it went to a great cause,

2034
01:35:33,492 --> 01:35:34,772
Speaker 29: so it didn't really matter.

2035
01:35:34,933 --> 01:35:36,892
Speaker 4: So and what were you buying?

2036
01:35:37,893 --> 01:35:39,213
Speaker 29: It was a piece of art, all.

2037
01:35:39,173 --> 01:35:41,532
Speaker 4: Right, nice looking art? What was what was the picture of.

2038
01:35:42,452 --> 01:35:46,852
Speaker 29: It's of some sailing ships easily in Auckland harbor, lovely.

2039
01:35:47,013 --> 01:35:47,293
Speaker 18: How much?

2040
01:35:47,372 --> 01:35:49,372
Speaker 4: How much did you pay for it?

2041
01:35:49,492 --> 01:35:50,732
Speaker 29: Three hundred and fifty dollars?

2042
01:35:50,853 --> 01:35:52,772
Speaker 3: See, that's better than what I bought the surf turf

2043
01:35:53,013 --> 01:35:59,213
Speaker 3: and sky an embroidery slash painting total I saw and.

2044
01:35:59,173 --> 01:36:00,973
Speaker 4: You paid four times as much as Errand did it.

2045
01:36:01,013 --> 01:36:02,173
Speaker 4: That's fifteen hundred bucks.

2046
01:36:02,173 --> 01:36:04,093
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think I think I was just paying more.

2047
01:36:04,173 --> 01:36:06,812
Speaker 3: Closet was so bad and it became funny to try

2048
01:36:06,812 --> 01:36:07,253
Speaker 3: and win it.

2049
01:36:07,293 --> 01:36:11,053
Speaker 4: But then next thing, Aaron, thank you very much mate.

2050
01:36:11,133 --> 01:36:14,333
Speaker 4: Good to chat right, got to get to the headlines.

2051
01:36:15,372 --> 01:36:18,132
Speaker 4: It is twenty eight pass three bagfy, surely you're listening

2052
01:36:18,173 --> 01:36:19,933
Speaker 4: to mettin Tyler Good afternoons.

2053
01:36:19,572 --> 01:36:24,732
Speaker 5: You News talks at the headlines with.

2054
01:36:24,853 --> 01:36:27,852
Speaker 12: Blue bubble taxis it's no trouble with a blue bubble.

2055
01:36:28,293 --> 01:36:32,333
Speaker 12: US presidential candidate Kamala Harris has called rival Donald Trump

2056
01:36:32,612 --> 01:36:35,892
Speaker 12: a wannabe dictator who whipped up a mob to attack

2057
01:36:35,933 --> 01:36:40,572
Speaker 12: the capital with no care for the consequences. Hastings District

2058
01:36:40,572 --> 01:36:43,372
Speaker 12: Council CEO Nigel Bickles says there is a lot of

2059
01:36:43,412 --> 01:36:48,492
Speaker 12: opportunity to streamline consents, saving costs for customers and building firms.

2060
01:36:48,893 --> 01:36:53,052
Speaker 12: The government's proposing letting qualified tradees skip inspections for low

2061
01:36:53,133 --> 01:36:57,453
Speaker 12: risk builds is also suggesting offering streamlined consenting to businesses

2062
01:36:57,692 --> 01:37:02,132
Speaker 12: with a record for big projects. The Secondary Teachers Union

2063
01:37:02,333 --> 01:37:06,412
Speaker 12: says schools desperately need support with chronic absence and the

2064
01:37:06,452 --> 01:37:09,333
Speaker 12: government shouldn't be funding charter school and this is she

2065
01:37:09,412 --> 01:37:13,933
Speaker 12: was crying up for adequate funding. Pokitaha Primary School in

2066
01:37:14,053 --> 01:37:17,052
Speaker 12: rural Waikato has had a fire at its school hall

2067
01:37:17,293 --> 01:37:21,093
Speaker 12: which took about an hour to get under control. Monopolies

2068
01:37:21,133 --> 01:37:24,532
Speaker 12: First a Eden addition is sitting shelves and includes iconic

2069
01:37:24,612 --> 01:37:28,173
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2070
01:37:28,173 --> 01:37:32,612
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2071
01:37:32,973 --> 01:37:36,452
Speaker 12: The owner confirms dates and a new venue. Find out

2072
01:37:36,492 --> 01:37:40,213
Speaker 12: more at Viva Premium. Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

2073
01:37:39,853 --> 01:37:42,692
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Ray Lean. Right, good discussion over

2074
01:37:42,732 --> 01:37:44,532
Speaker 4: the last hour and a half. But we are going

2075
01:37:44,612 --> 01:37:46,452
Speaker 4: to change up for the last half hour. We want

2076
01:37:46,492 --> 01:37:48,652
Speaker 4: to talk about rings. Engagement rings.

2077
01:37:48,692 --> 01:37:49,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

2078
01:37:49,213 --> 01:37:51,053
Speaker 3: So one found out that a partner who earns three

2079
01:37:51,133 --> 01:37:53,892
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty thousand a year bought her engagement ring

2080
01:37:53,973 --> 01:37:56,732
Speaker 3: at Timu. The ring cost sixty five dollars. She is

2081
01:37:56,772 --> 01:37:59,293
Speaker 3: thinking about breaking up with them. This is at the

2082
01:37:59,293 --> 01:38:03,412
Speaker 3: extreme end of cheapness. But what about lab growing diamond rings?

2083
01:38:03,572 --> 01:38:06,372
Speaker 3: Do you care if you were given an engagement ring

2084
01:38:06,412 --> 01:38:09,092
Speaker 3: and it turned out to be a not a real diamond,

2085
01:38:09,093 --> 01:38:13,093
Speaker 3: turned out to be a lab grown diamond, would you

2086
01:38:13,133 --> 01:38:16,052
Speaker 3: give a lab grown diamond? Greek Collin told my crossing

2087
01:38:16,093 --> 01:38:17,772
Speaker 3: this morning that you can't tell the difference with the

2088
01:38:17,853 --> 01:38:20,293
Speaker 3: naked eye between a lab ground one, so it looks

2089
01:38:20,333 --> 01:38:25,213
Speaker 3: exactly the same. It's just much cheaper if you can't

2090
01:38:25,213 --> 01:38:28,772
Speaker 3: tell the difference. Who cares or is an engagement ring

2091
01:38:29,333 --> 01:38:32,093
Speaker 3: and the cost a way of showing your partner that

2092
01:38:32,133 --> 01:38:35,972
Speaker 3: you're ready to make massive sacrifices. So I understand, Tyler,

2093
01:38:35,973 --> 01:38:38,452
Speaker 3: you're looking at, maybe, if I'm not speaking out of

2094
01:38:38,452 --> 01:38:41,932
Speaker 3: turn here, investing in possibly an engagement ring for someone

2095
01:38:41,973 --> 01:38:42,452
Speaker 3: at some point.

2096
01:38:42,532 --> 01:38:44,652
Speaker 4: Absolutely, yep, yep. I am in this at the moment,

2097
01:38:44,692 --> 01:38:47,293
Speaker 4: and it's no surprises for mate. She knows that it's coming.

2098
01:38:47,372 --> 01:38:49,492
Speaker 4: I still want it to be a surprise. I want

2099
01:38:49,532 --> 01:38:51,892
Speaker 4: the moment to be right. And she won't know any

2100
01:38:51,933 --> 01:38:52,253
Speaker 4: of that.

2101
01:38:52,532 --> 01:38:55,812
Speaker 2: But we'll know. She'll know when you book constantly. Hey,

2102
01:38:55,853 --> 01:38:58,173
Speaker 2: we're just going to stay at a vineyard or where.

2103
01:38:58,612 --> 01:39:00,333
Speaker 4: Well, lucky for her, we say lots of.

2104
01:39:00,372 --> 01:39:03,132
Speaker 2: Vine So you're doing so much romantic stuff.

2105
01:39:03,213 --> 01:39:07,972
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that one more that's going to h Yeah.

2106
01:39:08,013 --> 01:39:10,532
Speaker 4: But and this is the question that I'm kind of

2107
01:39:10,572 --> 01:39:14,293
Speaker 4: mullying over, is do I, at this point, because she

2108
01:39:14,293 --> 01:39:16,173
Speaker 4: knows it's coming, at some stage, say over the next

2109
01:39:16,173 --> 01:39:19,852
Speaker 4: twelve months, do I take her down to go and

2110
01:39:19,893 --> 01:39:22,572
Speaker 4: pick out the ring that she wants? Because that doesn't

2111
01:39:22,612 --> 01:39:24,812
Speaker 4: feel romantic to me. That feels like I want her

2112
01:39:24,812 --> 01:39:26,133
Speaker 4: to have a ring that she's going to enjoy.

2113
01:39:26,293 --> 01:39:29,253
Speaker 2: But what are the chances that you are going to

2114
01:39:29,293 --> 01:39:33,892
Speaker 2: get it right? Very very low, because she'll know what

2115
01:39:33,973 --> 01:39:36,213
Speaker 2: she likes a lot more than you. Well, I mean

2116
01:39:36,213 --> 01:39:39,612
Speaker 2: I'd be terrified to buy my partner any item of

2117
01:39:39,652 --> 01:39:41,412
Speaker 2: clothing or a ring.

2118
01:39:41,812 --> 01:39:44,252
Speaker 4: But then she gets one part of the surprise, hopefully,

2119
01:39:44,372 --> 01:39:47,652
Speaker 4: which is where and when I drop the knee. But

2120
01:39:47,732 --> 01:39:49,492
Speaker 4: then the other part of the surprise is kind of

2121
01:39:49,532 --> 01:39:51,452
Speaker 4: like knowing what you're going to get for Christmas, isn't it?

2122
01:39:51,893 --> 01:39:53,692
Speaker 3: So I guess what you need to do is walk

2123
01:39:53,772 --> 01:39:57,293
Speaker 3: past a jewelry store and then just go and look

2124
01:39:57,333 --> 01:40:01,452
Speaker 3: at ones, like in a vague discussion about which ones

2125
01:40:01,652 --> 01:40:04,213
Speaker 3: that she might like, and what do you think about this?

2126
01:40:04,492 --> 01:40:07,732
Speaker 4: You know, like, just get fifteen different options, just like

2127
01:40:07,853 --> 01:40:08,133
Speaker 4: it's a.

2128
01:40:08,133 --> 01:40:10,532
Speaker 3: Common sation that's to do with nothing that maybe one

2129
01:40:10,572 --> 01:40:12,173
Speaker 3: of these, and then you get an idea of the

2130
01:40:12,253 --> 01:40:14,492
Speaker 3: kind of thing that she likes, and then sit on

2131
01:40:14,532 --> 01:40:15,932
Speaker 3: it for two years and then surprise it.

2132
01:40:16,772 --> 01:40:18,812
Speaker 4: But then on the on the question of the lab

2133
01:40:18,853 --> 01:40:21,852
Speaker 4: grond diamond, I actually like that idea because I think, look,

2134
01:40:21,933 --> 01:40:24,812
Speaker 4: diamonds to me, I understand they mean a lot to

2135
01:40:24,853 --> 01:40:26,412
Speaker 4: a lot of people, but to me, it's just a rock.

2136
01:40:26,452 --> 01:40:30,372
Speaker 4: It's just a nice looking rock. And to save the

2137
01:40:30,372 --> 01:40:33,213
Speaker 4: frugal side of me coming out to save seventy percent

2138
01:40:33,333 --> 01:40:37,012
Speaker 4: on something that is pretty much identical. But I would

2139
01:40:37,013 --> 01:40:39,013
Speaker 4: tell me that it is a lab grond diamond. I

2140
01:40:39,013 --> 01:40:40,652
Speaker 4: would not tell her it's a real diamond.

2141
01:40:40,973 --> 01:40:42,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the key.

2142
01:40:42,333 --> 01:40:45,453
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you can't be deceptive.

2143
01:40:45,652 --> 01:40:48,492
Speaker 3: Again, the other side of it is, does it matter?

2144
01:40:48,572 --> 01:40:54,732
Speaker 3: It's how it locks, and your demonstration of love should

2145
01:40:54,772 --> 01:40:57,453
Speaker 3: be all that counts. It's a beautiful thing to demonstrate

2146
01:40:57,492 --> 01:40:57,852
Speaker 3: your love.

2147
01:40:58,013 --> 01:41:00,613
Speaker 2: How much it costs should be irrelevant.

2148
01:41:01,933 --> 01:41:05,372
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that, that would be the argument. I'm

2149
01:41:05,412 --> 01:41:08,812
Speaker 4: sure I feel bad talking about this without her to

2150
01:41:08,853 --> 01:41:11,652
Speaker 4: say how she feels about the situation. But I'm sure

2151
01:41:11,692 --> 01:41:14,652
Speaker 4: she would say I don't care how much that ring goes. Yes,

2152
01:41:15,013 --> 01:41:18,412
Speaker 4: but does she really mean there deep down? I'm sure

2153
01:41:18,452 --> 01:41:20,812
Speaker 4: she wouldn't if I gave her a sixty three dollars team.

2154
01:41:21,652 --> 01:41:23,732
Speaker 3: Yes, that's why I said, that's on the extreme. But

2155
01:41:23,812 --> 01:41:26,772
Speaker 3: the other thing, and I guess if she was showing

2156
01:41:26,812 --> 01:41:29,253
Speaker 3: the ring to someone and even though you can't tell

2157
01:41:29,293 --> 01:41:32,532
Speaker 3: by your eye, but maybe someone that knew about things

2158
01:41:32,572 --> 01:41:35,133
Speaker 3: and whipped out one of those big glasses with the

2159
01:41:35,173 --> 01:41:37,932
Speaker 3: big telescope on them and went, that's lab growing.

2160
01:41:38,452 --> 01:41:40,572
Speaker 2: And you hadn't told her. There may be that that

2161
01:41:40,893 --> 01:41:41,892
Speaker 2: would be that would be.

2162
01:41:41,812 --> 01:41:43,652
Speaker 4: A problem, that would be very different one.

2163
01:41:43,692 --> 01:41:46,852
Speaker 3: Hundred and eighty ten eighty Does it matter the cost

2164
01:41:47,133 --> 01:41:50,133
Speaker 3: of an engagement ring if the heart is in it

2165
01:41:51,013 --> 01:41:54,172
Speaker 3: and is a lab grown diamond?

2166
01:41:54,173 --> 01:41:58,572
Speaker 4: Okay, if you've recently been proposed to, was it a

2167
01:41:58,652 --> 01:42:00,932
Speaker 4: lab grown diamond? It is a massive trend at the moment,

2168
01:42:01,013 --> 01:42:03,053
Speaker 4: hence why Mike had that in view on who show

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Speaker 4: at the moment? Did you care it was a lab

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Speaker 4: grown diamond? Did you want the real thing or did

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01:42:07,612 --> 01:42:10,612
Speaker 4: they just give you what is often described as a

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01:42:10,692 --> 01:42:14,092
Speaker 4: proposal ring, which is just any old thing until you

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01:42:14,173 --> 01:42:15,973
Speaker 4: both go down and pick out the ring that you

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01:42:16,053 --> 01:42:18,892
Speaker 4: ultimately want love to hear from you. Oh, eight hundred did.

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01:42:18,732 --> 01:42:21,973
Speaker 3: You just slip a squid ring onto someone's finger and

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01:42:22,013 --> 01:42:25,892
Speaker 3: say it's how I feel? Not the cost of the ring?

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Speaker 4: Janine, how are you?

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01:42:28,372 --> 01:42:29,333
Speaker 23: I'm very good in you?

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01:42:29,772 --> 01:42:30,012
Speaker 22: Yeah?

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01:42:30,053 --> 01:42:30,253
Speaker 5: Good?

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01:42:30,372 --> 01:42:32,013
Speaker 4: So choosing a ring? What do you reckon? Does it

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01:42:32,053 --> 01:42:34,852
Speaker 4: take the romantic aspect out of it? If I go

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01:42:34,973 --> 01:42:37,612
Speaker 4: down with my partner and say what do you actually want?

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01:42:37,652 --> 01:42:39,532
Speaker 4: When I do do the right thing and drop an me?

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01:42:40,652 --> 01:42:45,293
Speaker 23: Absolutely not. You should go down and choose because it's

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01:42:45,293 --> 01:42:47,333
Speaker 23: something that you should choose life, And there are a

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01:42:47,333 --> 01:42:49,732
Speaker 23: lot of people that I know that then weren't happy

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01:42:50,133 --> 01:42:52,333
Speaker 23: with their rings and so later in life changed it.

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01:42:52,412 --> 01:42:55,253
Speaker 23: But it then sort of takes away. So if you

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01:42:55,333 --> 01:43:00,692
Speaker 23: go and choose maybe four and choose four different options

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01:43:01,532 --> 01:43:05,333
Speaker 23: and then the decision then still is finally yours, it's

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Speaker 23: still a surprise.

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01:43:06,893 --> 01:43:08,933
Speaker 3: What about if you so if you got down on

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Speaker 3: the knee, but because because you want to kind of

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01:43:11,933 --> 01:43:17,253
Speaker 3: have that surprise about when you propose, yep, what if

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01:43:17,293 --> 01:43:19,013
Speaker 3: you got down on the knee and you just gave

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01:43:19,053 --> 01:43:21,213
Speaker 3: a voucher to a jewelry store.

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01:43:22,772 --> 01:43:28,052
Speaker 4: No, just said that. I mean, that's that's no.

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Speaker 23: So I my husband and I designed our the engagement

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01:43:32,973 --> 01:43:35,612
Speaker 23: ring together with a jeweler. We had a friend of

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01:43:35,612 --> 01:43:37,772
Speaker 23: the family who was a jeweler. And then so we

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01:43:37,973 --> 01:43:40,772
Speaker 23: discussed designed it and then he said that don't talk

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01:43:40,772 --> 01:43:44,772
Speaker 23: about it again. So that was in like I can't remember,

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01:43:44,933 --> 01:43:51,533
Speaker 23: like June. And then he proposed two days before Christmas,

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01:43:53,333 --> 01:43:55,173
Speaker 23: so it was a long time. He'd had the ring

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01:43:55,213 --> 01:43:55,973
Speaker 23: in the house.

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01:43:55,772 --> 01:43:56,452
Speaker 7: For a little bit.

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01:43:56,612 --> 01:43:57,093
Speaker 17: I didn't know.

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Speaker 23: So he proposed with a ring box. It was empty,

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01:44:02,893 --> 01:44:06,732
Speaker 23: oh yeah, and said that it was missing like that,

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01:44:06,812 --> 01:44:10,253
Speaker 23: it wasn't really yet and yet right, And then two

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01:44:10,293 --> 01:44:13,053
Speaker 23: days later, when we've done the Christmas present, he says,

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01:44:13,093 --> 01:44:16,892
Speaker 23: are you sure there's nothing else in there? So you

2214
01:44:16,933 --> 01:44:18,253
Speaker 23: can add even though you.

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01:44:18,333 --> 01:44:20,173
Speaker 2: Still have there was some mystery edits.

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01:44:20,412 --> 01:44:25,213
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's good. You've got a good hobby there.

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01:44:26,133 --> 01:44:26,372
Speaker 8: Yeah.

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01:44:26,532 --> 01:44:28,772
Speaker 23: The point here, while he's still hanging around twenty odd

2219
01:44:28,812 --> 01:44:33,692
Speaker 23: years later, the point is that you can still even

2220
01:44:33,732 --> 01:44:37,133
Speaker 23: though you have chosen the ring together, the four you know,

2221
01:44:37,173 --> 01:44:39,612
Speaker 23: and you've got four rings and you've done it together,

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01:44:40,133 --> 01:44:43,013
Speaker 23: and then so you still have a surprise, You can

2223
01:44:43,053 --> 01:44:47,892
Speaker 23: still make the actual engagement a big thing as well.

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01:44:48,612 --> 01:44:50,852
Speaker 4: You love that. And just on the lab grow and

2225
01:44:50,933 --> 01:44:54,772
Speaker 4: diamond aspect, do do you think women primarily care about

2226
01:44:54,772 --> 01:44:57,692
Speaker 4: that these days? Do they care whether it's lab or real?

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01:44:57,812 --> 01:44:57,932
Speaker 8: No?

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01:44:58,772 --> 01:45:02,333
Speaker 23: No, honestly me personally, I couldn't care less. It's the

2229
01:45:02,412 --> 01:45:04,772
Speaker 23: sentiment of the two of you doing it together, and

2230
01:45:04,853 --> 01:45:07,492
Speaker 23: doing the whole process together starts your life off doing

2231
01:45:07,532 --> 01:45:08,213
Speaker 23: everything together.

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01:45:09,053 --> 01:45:11,412
Speaker 3: So if there were two lined up and he said

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01:45:11,532 --> 01:45:14,973
Speaker 3: to you, I can spend twenty thousand on this and

2234
01:45:15,013 --> 01:45:17,213
Speaker 3: you'll get one that's a real diamond, or we'll spend

2235
01:45:17,213 --> 01:45:19,892
Speaker 3: ten thousand on it and it's a lab gram and diamond.

2236
01:45:19,933 --> 01:45:22,652
Speaker 3: You'd be like, I prefer the lab diamond, and we

2237
01:45:22,692 --> 01:45:26,452
Speaker 3: spend ten thousand dollars on our life that we're forming together.

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01:45:27,253 --> 01:45:30,492
Speaker 4: One yeah, good on I good call it a start

2239
01:45:30,492 --> 01:45:32,572
Speaker 4: off off with. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

2240
01:45:32,612 --> 01:45:35,452
Speaker 4: is the number to call. Plenty of texts coming through

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01:45:35,452 --> 01:45:38,452
Speaker 4: on nine two ninety two. Will take a quick break

2242
01:45:38,492 --> 01:45:40,612
Speaker 4: and be back with more of your causes twenty to four.

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01:45:41,853 --> 01:45:42,412
Speaker 22: He's done.

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01:45:42,452 --> 01:45:46,133
Speaker 1: You take on talk bag matt Ethan Tyler Adams afternoons.

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01:45:46,293 --> 01:45:49,652
Speaker 1: Have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty News Talks.

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01:45:49,652 --> 01:45:52,772
Speaker 4: The'd be good afternoon. We're talking about engagement rings on

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01:45:52,812 --> 01:45:54,973
Speaker 4: the back of a couple of stories. One was a

2248
01:45:55,093 --> 01:45:58,612
Speaker 4: woman who was quite irate that her fire fiance. I

2249
01:45:58,652 --> 01:46:00,133
Speaker 4: think she said yes in the end, but he got

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Speaker 4: her a sixty three dollars TEAMU ring.

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01:46:01,933 --> 01:46:04,133
Speaker 2: This is at the extreme of the issue that's not good.

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01:46:04,412 --> 01:46:07,333
Speaker 4: Well, But what we think is more interesting is the

2253
01:46:07,452 --> 01:46:11,652
Speaker 4: rise of lab growing diamonds. Everybody knows how expensive diamonds are.

2254
01:46:11,692 --> 01:46:14,692
Speaker 4: They're very rare, but lab grown diamonds are taking over

2255
01:46:14,853 --> 01:46:16,293
Speaker 4: and I think you can pick them up for about

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Speaker 4: seventy percent of a real diamonds.

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01:46:17,572 --> 01:46:19,932
Speaker 3: I think it might even be half Matt. This Texas says,

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01:46:19,933 --> 01:46:22,333
Speaker 3: I'm known to Matt. My wife lost your engagement ring.

2259
01:46:22,412 --> 01:46:24,892
Speaker 3: So we went to a manufacturing jeweler and we decided

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01:46:24,933 --> 01:46:27,052
Speaker 3: on the manufactured diamond. The expert told us the average

2261
01:46:27,093 --> 01:46:29,452
Speaker 3: key jeweler could not tell the difference. Also, there was

2262
01:46:29,532 --> 01:46:32,412
Speaker 3: unlikely to be flaws in it as a side issue.

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01:46:32,692 --> 01:46:34,852
Speaker 3: Would prefer not to buy a blood diamond.

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01:46:36,853 --> 01:46:39,892
Speaker 4: Now I don't want to get Well, you're pretty honest, man,

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01:46:40,093 --> 01:46:43,492
Speaker 4: she you're very honest, very very honest. You have given

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01:46:43,492 --> 01:46:46,653
Speaker 4: an engagement ring to someone before.

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01:46:46,612 --> 01:46:49,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have, And I got a friend to design

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01:46:49,333 --> 01:46:52,173
Speaker 3: it because I wouldn't to be a surprise. And I

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01:46:52,213 --> 01:46:55,213
Speaker 3: think that a friend of the woman I was giving

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01:46:55,213 --> 01:46:58,892
Speaker 3: the engagement ring too. Yes, and she designed it, and

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01:46:58,933 --> 01:47:00,852
Speaker 3: I think she went for something that was I don't

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01:47:00,933 --> 01:47:03,133
Speaker 3: know anything at all. I don't know anything at all,

2273
01:47:03,173 --> 01:47:04,492
Speaker 3: but I wanted to do the right thing, so I

2274
01:47:04,532 --> 01:47:07,932
Speaker 3: was terrified at what to get, and so a friend

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01:47:07,933 --> 01:47:10,972
Speaker 3: designed and I think because it ended up being her

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01:47:11,093 --> 01:47:14,372
Speaker 3: friend designed something that she thought was cool, and it

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01:47:14,452 --> 01:47:17,572
Speaker 3: was really cool. But I think sometimes you just want

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01:47:17,572 --> 01:47:21,892
Speaker 3: traditional and the engagement roog needs to look more like

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01:47:21,933 --> 01:47:22,892
Speaker 3: an engagement ring.

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01:47:23,253 --> 01:47:26,812
Speaker 2: And I think this looked a little bit more. It

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01:47:26,933 --> 01:47:28,293
Speaker 2: just looked too innovative.

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01:47:30,213 --> 01:47:32,692
Speaker 4: You did all the right things, exactly what I would

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01:47:32,732 --> 01:47:34,892
Speaker 4: have done. You went to a trusted friend who knew

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01:47:34,933 --> 01:47:35,452
Speaker 4: this woman.

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01:47:35,692 --> 01:47:37,852
Speaker 3: She was lovely about it, and she was very happy

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01:47:37,893 --> 01:47:40,812
Speaker 3: with the whole situation. But I could tell, deep in

2287
01:47:40,812 --> 01:47:45,532
Speaker 3: my heart that it wasn't was racked with anxiety that

2288
01:47:45,572 --> 01:47:46,772
Speaker 3: it wasn't quite the right thing.

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01:47:47,293 --> 01:47:48,293
Speaker 4: This is making me anxious.

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Speaker 30: Get a Matthew, good, good, many Gooday, Tyler, it's Matthew.

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01:47:52,732 --> 01:47:53,133
Speaker 17: How are you?

2292
01:47:53,293 --> 01:47:53,492
Speaker 8: Yeah?

2293
01:47:53,532 --> 01:47:55,452
Speaker 4: Yeah, good good? What are you reckon about the leab

2294
01:47:55,492 --> 01:47:56,532
Speaker 4: grown diamonds?

2295
01:47:56,812 --> 01:47:59,973
Speaker 31: Ah, I'm all for it. But we've been married, being

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01:47:59,973 --> 01:48:02,612
Speaker 31: married now for a while. And but we went and

2297
01:48:02,612 --> 01:48:04,652
Speaker 31: got picked the ring. And I think it's important you

2298
01:48:04,732 --> 01:48:07,372
Speaker 31: go and get the ring because one, you need the setting.

2299
01:48:07,692 --> 01:48:08,412
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you don't.

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01:48:08,372 --> 01:48:10,173
Speaker 31: Want to ring, that will be too tight and their

2301
01:48:10,173 --> 01:48:12,213
Speaker 31: wet fingers swell up and you can't get it off.

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01:48:13,293 --> 01:48:16,892
Speaker 31: And then yeah, and then that they need to know

2303
01:48:16,973 --> 01:48:19,812
Speaker 31: the like the look and the cut of it and

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01:48:19,893 --> 01:48:22,732
Speaker 31: the diamond. But yeah, I would buy a lab grown

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01:48:22,772 --> 01:48:25,692
Speaker 31: diamond for sure, But we bought ours. I bought mine

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01:48:25,732 --> 01:48:30,093
Speaker 31: in Asia. So we went on holiday and bought it there.

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01:48:30,652 --> 01:48:32,652
Speaker 31: But I was backpacking and carried it around with me

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01:48:32,732 --> 01:48:35,013
Speaker 31: around all of Asia, and I was just fretting that

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01:48:35,093 --> 01:48:36,052
Speaker 31: it would get stolen.

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01:48:36,173 --> 01:48:39,812
Speaker 3: You know, That's that's a romantic story that its spent

2311
01:48:39,853 --> 01:48:41,772
Speaker 3: that long time with you with just protecting it as

2312
01:48:41,772 --> 01:48:42,812
Speaker 3: you slept at.

2313
01:48:42,732 --> 01:48:46,092
Speaker 31: Night after what yeah, after one massive night in Vietnam,

2314
01:48:46,133 --> 01:48:48,412
Speaker 31: I just we both woke up, we're hungover as hell,

2315
01:48:48,893 --> 01:48:51,372
Speaker 31: and they just rolled over and I just asked, proposed then,

2316
01:48:51,933 --> 01:48:54,693
Speaker 31: and she said, yes, it was very romantic.

2317
01:48:56,452 --> 01:48:58,852
Speaker 3: But what do you think, Matthew, about the concept of

2318
01:48:58,893 --> 01:49:04,293
Speaker 3: getting a lab grown diamond that looks exactly the same

2319
01:49:04,333 --> 01:49:06,932
Speaker 3: and even most jewelers in New Zealand, as one Texas

2320
01:49:06,933 --> 01:49:09,892
Speaker 3: seed probably couldn't tell the difference, but not mentioning it's

2321
01:49:09,893 --> 01:49:11,052
Speaker 3: a lab grown diamond.

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01:49:11,933 --> 01:49:14,053
Speaker 2: Oh well, I think you'd have to. Yeah, you'd have

2323
01:49:14,093 --> 01:49:14,732
Speaker 2: to fell.

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01:49:14,732 --> 01:49:16,892
Speaker 4: Yeah, because otherwise there's deceptive, isn't it.

2325
01:49:17,333 --> 01:49:18,852
Speaker 5: And it's all about honesty.

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01:49:19,053 --> 01:49:20,652
Speaker 31: You're going to marry someone, you've got to be honest.

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01:49:20,772 --> 01:49:23,612
Speaker 3: So and even if even if your partner wasn't shallow,

2328
01:49:24,013 --> 01:49:27,133
Speaker 3: if she then found out much later down the track,

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01:49:27,213 --> 01:49:30,452
Speaker 3: it would be it would feel gutting. It would feel

2330
01:49:30,532 --> 01:49:33,172
Speaker 3: like you tried to get one past you. Yeah, even

2331
01:49:33,213 --> 01:49:35,253
Speaker 3: though it doesn't matter even if she was happy with

2332
01:49:35,293 --> 01:49:37,093
Speaker 3: it at the time, if it was lab grind, but

2333
01:49:37,133 --> 01:49:37,772
Speaker 3: if the whole.

2334
01:49:37,572 --> 01:49:39,772
Speaker 31: Time on the back foot from the start, yeah yeah,

2335
01:49:39,853 --> 01:49:42,253
Speaker 31: yeah yeah, but.

2336
01:49:41,652 --> 01:49:45,093
Speaker 2: Every time w you'd be like, going there, don't go

2337
01:49:45,133 --> 01:49:45,372
Speaker 2: in there.

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01:49:45,612 --> 01:49:48,133
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure you can buy those little magnifying glasses

2339
01:49:48,173 --> 01:49:49,412
Speaker 4: pretty cheap these days as.

2340
01:49:49,333 --> 01:49:53,852
Speaker 31: Well, and then they look quite good, like you can't.

2341
01:49:53,692 --> 01:49:57,253
Speaker 30: Really tell, like, yeah, they're pretty impressive. So yeah, I

2342
01:49:57,253 --> 01:49:58,012
Speaker 30: think it's all good.

2343
01:49:58,173 --> 01:50:01,892
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you very much, Matthew. Julie, how are you

2344
01:50:03,253 --> 01:50:03,612
Speaker 4: very well?

2345
01:50:03,652 --> 01:50:03,933
Speaker 30: Thank you.

2346
01:50:05,253 --> 01:50:09,253
Speaker 24: I had mixed feelings when lab diamonds first came. I

2347
01:50:09,293 --> 01:50:12,572
Speaker 24: think I liked the idea and edged up deciding is

2348
01:50:12,612 --> 01:50:15,333
Speaker 24: I like the idea, perhaps lab grown, but I like

2349
01:50:15,452 --> 01:50:18,372
Speaker 24: the authenticity of something that the earth is produced, and

2350
01:50:18,492 --> 01:50:22,572
Speaker 24: you know, yadiada slighting perfections, And for thirty odd years

2351
01:50:22,572 --> 01:50:25,612
Speaker 24: I've had a magnificent E diamond, a three and a

2352
01:50:25,652 --> 01:50:29,173
Speaker 24: half carried E diamond, which is an exceptional white so

2353
01:50:29,213 --> 01:50:34,452
Speaker 24: it's almost pure, it's almost colorless, et cetera. However, I thought, well,

2354
01:50:34,572 --> 01:50:37,213
Speaker 24: Lab di'monds are fine. You know, for those who aren't

2355
01:50:37,253 --> 01:50:39,652
Speaker 24: particularly worried, but I read an article just the other day.

2356
01:50:39,692 --> 01:50:41,492
Speaker 24: It was in the Times of London, so it was

2357
01:50:41,532 --> 01:50:47,133
Speaker 24: a reputable source. And apparently I always had, I mean,

2358
01:50:47,213 --> 01:50:49,333
Speaker 24: having no idea how a lab diamond would be grown.

2359
01:50:49,372 --> 01:50:53,012
Speaker 24: You sort of think of some chemistry person they're slatting away,

2360
01:50:53,492 --> 01:50:56,333
Speaker 24: But in actual fact, it takes a huge amount of

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01:50:57,452 --> 01:51:00,612
Speaker 24: fossil fuels to create the heat and the pressure to

2362
01:51:00,732 --> 01:51:05,212
Speaker 24: create that diamond from the carbon. So in other words,

2363
01:51:05,732 --> 01:51:08,333
Speaker 24: there's a huge, yes.

2364
01:51:08,492 --> 01:51:10,652
Speaker 11: Fossil fuel cost to be able.

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01:51:10,452 --> 01:51:13,812
Speaker 24: To get that so called lab grown diamond. Not to me,

2366
01:51:13,933 --> 01:51:16,372
Speaker 24: sort of defeats the purpose for people who are saying, oh,

2367
01:51:16,692 --> 01:51:18,732
Speaker 24: you know, we want to preserve the earth, we want

2368
01:51:18,772 --> 01:51:22,293
Speaker 24: to be careful. We're don't worry about real diamonds, blood diamonds,

2369
01:51:22,333 --> 01:51:25,012
Speaker 24: all the rest of it, but we don't realize about

2370
01:51:25,053 --> 01:51:26,492
Speaker 24: the fossil fuel cost.

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01:51:27,013 --> 01:51:28,053
Speaker 2: Something to think about, right there.

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01:51:28,293 --> 01:51:31,452
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you very much, Julie, quick text. Then we'll

2373
01:51:31,492 --> 01:51:34,093
Speaker 4: get back to more of your phone calls, Tyler, do

2374
01:51:34,213 --> 01:51:37,452
Speaker 4: not be a cheapscape by a real diamond lab growing

2375
01:51:37,812 --> 01:51:40,133
Speaker 4: for kids games. It's simply states you have no real

2376
01:51:40,173 --> 01:51:44,053
Speaker 4: commitment to your relationship. Get a life, grow up and

2377
01:51:44,452 --> 01:51:45,652
Speaker 4: lay up you screwede.

2378
01:51:45,732 --> 01:51:47,932
Speaker 3: Well, what about this one about diamonds. Isn't it rather

2379
01:51:47,973 --> 01:51:50,293
Speaker 3: sexist that the man is expected to splash out for

2380
01:51:50,572 --> 01:51:54,572
Speaker 3: the woman's ring. Maybe your lovely partner will surprise you

2381
01:51:54,612 --> 01:51:55,893
Speaker 3: and get down on a knee and give you a

2382
01:51:55,933 --> 01:51:56,932
Speaker 3: little engagement ring.

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01:51:57,013 --> 01:51:59,932
Speaker 4: No comments. One hundred and eighty, ten eighty. It's eleven

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Speaker 4: of four.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Mat Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons You

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Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four us talk said B, said B

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Speaker 1: eight to four.

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Speaker 2: But a romans te end of the show. He listened

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Speaker 2: to us.

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Speaker 3: I got married twenty five years ago and bought my

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Speaker 3: partner a gold ring with the Cubic Zirconia. She didn't

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Speaker 3: have any issues with it, and I promised her that

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Speaker 3: I would upgrade the zconia to a diamond later. A

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Speaker 3: couple of years later, I kept my promise and replaced

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Speaker 3: the Zirconia with a large diamond.

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Speaker 4: Oh beautiful, Julian, how are you good?

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Speaker 30: Thanks Tyler, Julian Air from cust You get mates. I've

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Speaker 30: been a jeweler for since I was fifteen. I'm now

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Speaker 30: coming out for seventeen.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 30: To firstly your predicament and we can do all this

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Speaker 30: by video. But if you if you come and see me,

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Speaker 30: you both get design the ring.

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Speaker 4: Okay and Ben Tyler Yeah yeah, me and man.

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Speaker 30: Yeah, you get all that done. And then your partner

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Speaker 30: can go away wondering when she is going to get

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Speaker 30: the piece and the decision has been up to you

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Speaker 30: in the end that you spend, get what you want

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Speaker 30: and she gets what she wants.

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Speaker 3: Beautiful a solution here, Julian. I've got one question for

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Speaker 3: you though. Can you would you be able to just

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Speaker 3: with your eye tell the difference between a lab ground

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Speaker 3: diamond and a real diamond.

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Speaker 30: Well, if we could go onto the look, no matter

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Speaker 30: what you call the lab grown, man made mosernite, it

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Speaker 30: is just a name. It will always be synthetic.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 30: Look, when I first started my trade quite a few

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Speaker 30: years ago, we had with a diamond, you had a

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Speaker 30: white spinel as a as a replica. It was a

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Speaker 30: very dull stone. It didn't sparkle. We then went onto

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Speaker 30: Cuba Zyconian. Now, when say take a carrot stone, a

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Speaker 30: carrot Cuba Zirconian forty five years ago was about one

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Speaker 30: hundred and twenty hundred and thirty dollars. They are now

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Speaker 30: maybe no more than ten dollars, right, and you think.

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Speaker 4: The same thing would happen to lab grown.

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Speaker 30: Yeah, look, leb grown. You know they're popular now, they're

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Speaker 30: all the rage. They are not cheap to reduce and

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Speaker 30: that's why they are, you know, not a cheap stone.

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Speaker 30: But you know it will always be a synthetic. Like

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Speaker 30: all technology, we will progress and that gem, that lab

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Speaker 30: grown stone you're paying seven or eight hundred dollars for now,

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Speaker 30: will be worth in a few years time, maybe forty

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Speaker 30: or fifty.

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Speaker 4: Interesting. Thank you very much, Julian Jan how are you hey?

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Speaker 32: Thanks for you guys.

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Speaker 4: Good rings? Engagement rings? What should I do here?

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Speaker 29: Yeah?

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Speaker 32: So, first of all, my husband and I before we

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Speaker 32: got engaged, we'd had a conversation, so we went ring

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Speaker 32: shopping together and great, and we also looked at wedding

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Speaker 32: bands at the same time, because a lot of people

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Speaker 32: choose an engagement ring and they don't think how the

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Speaker 32: band fits into the look Yeah good, that was important

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Speaker 32: to us. As for a lab growings, my husband has

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Speaker 32: recently said to me, look, if I want another ring,

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Speaker 32: like a third one he might consider it, and he's

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Speaker 32: kind of said, you can get a lot better bang

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Speaker 32: for your.

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Speaker 33: Bucks, and I'd probably be open to that. I probably

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Speaker 33: would have been open to it for my wedding band

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Speaker 33: as well. But I think I would have been disappointed

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Speaker 33: with an engagement ring.

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Speaker 24: That was lab grown.

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Speaker 32: It's just probably that's probably just the biggest marketing or

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Speaker 32: something for like one hundred years. But you're just so

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Speaker 32: excited to get you know, your first diamonds and your

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Speaker 32: first engagement rings. So you know, I think that's probably

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Speaker 32: how it might have felt. But you know, as you say,

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Speaker 32: people can't tell the difference, so maybe it doesn't really

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Speaker 32: matter that much.

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Speaker 4: Well, I've got a lot to think about, yeah, Matt.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was looking at before the average costs average

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Speaker 3: spent on a diamond engagement ring in New Zealand five

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Speaker 3: and a half. That not so you open there, you're

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Speaker 3: going to be operating on that region, Tyler.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's a lot of money. But you know, talking

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Speaker 4: about money, it's not very romantic. Hey, thank you, Jin,

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Speaker 4: and thank you to everybody else. I mean, I put

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Speaker 4: it out the call for help. I don't know if

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Speaker 4: I'm any better off here. There was a wide variety

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Speaker 4: of opinions. So I've got some thinking to do. Should

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Speaker 4: we go ring shopping after this mat We'll go down

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Speaker 4: and have a lot of shore we can get.

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Speaker 2: I'll choose, I'll choose for you. Worry about that.

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Speaker 4: I trust you. Listen.

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Speaker 2: I've got it wrong before, but you know that gives

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Speaker 2: me experience.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much for today. Really enjoyed that good discussion,

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Speaker 4: deep discussion. We'll do it all again tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: And give them a taste of que we a.

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Speaker 22: Matt and Tyler.

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