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Speaker 1: Trying to control kid criminals. You are damned if you

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Speaker 1: do and damned if you don't. This week a document

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Speaker 1: from Children's Minister Karen Shaw on the subject was leaked.

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Speaker 1: It says giving military style boot camp providers the power

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Speaker 1: to use force and extreme circumstances would be controversial. Well,

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Speaker 1: of course it would, But what are you meant to do.

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Speaker 1: Let the kids punch each other and not intervene, Let

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Speaker 1: them run on the road, let them escape and just

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Speaker 1: wave goodbye as they leave. Oh, he's nearly killing the

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Speaker 1: other kid. Well, remember, we can't actually do anything, so

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Speaker 1: we'll just watch it happen. How can you run a

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Speaker 1: boot camp without the last resort right to intervene and

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Speaker 1: restrain where necessary? At Arwiti wayts says it's disgusting and unacceptable.

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Speaker 1: And I can understand why it Arwitis worked up on

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Speaker 1: this one. The abuse and state care inquiries showed the

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Speaker 1: worst that can happen. It was disgusting and disgraceful what

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Speaker 1: went on. But does that mean that we can never

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Speaker 1: use programs to rehabilitate these younger serious offenders ever again?

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Speaker 1: And where does that leave them an adult? Or they

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Speaker 1: don't like that and youth detention centers. They don't like

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Speaker 1: that either. Plus, they escape from these things pretty regularly.

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Speaker 1: At home, well, they were, but they committed serious crimes repeatedly.

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Speaker 1: So where does that leave the kids and the governments

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Speaker 1: tasked with trying to sort them out? Well, between a

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Speaker 1: rock and a hard place, with an impossible job on

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Speaker 1: their hands, that's where. For more from Early Edition with

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Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge, listen live to News Talks at be from

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