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Speaker 1: Twelve past five, Heller, do see out down to something else.

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Speaker 1: Coppers are having to use force more often nowadays. According

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Speaker 1: to the annual Tactical Options Report, the use of force

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Speaker 1: by police is up nine percent in the last year.

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Speaker 1: Chris Carhill is the Police Association's Chief executive.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Chris, good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 1: Why is there this increase in police having to use force?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's the nature of the incidents police are having

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Speaker 2: to attend. But some good news in this. While it

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Speaker 2: has increased nine percent, the number of incidents police of

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Speaker 2: attendant has increased eleven percent, so that's actually a net decrease,

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Speaker 2: so that's quite a positive outcome.

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Speaker 1: And when we talk about them having to use force,

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Speaker 1: is this everything from having to use a firearm through

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Speaker 1: to just having to tackle somebody to the ground. Is

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Speaker 1: that what we're talking about?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, So it can be what we call empty

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Speaker 2: hand tactics right through the use of pepper spray, tasers

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Speaker 2: and in the worst case scenario of firearms.

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Speaker 1: This is this because Chris, we are seeing this increased

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Speaker 1: level of violence being imported from Australia or is it

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Speaker 1: because we ourselves more agro than we were some time ago?

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Speaker 2: Now it is really I think a state of more

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Speaker 2: people are willing to have a go with police, but

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Speaker 2: it can depend on the type of instance. We've clearly

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Speaker 2: got some significant mental health issues in New Zealand and

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Speaker 2: unfortunately a lot of the time police have to deploy

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Speaker 2: tactical options on people suffering mental distress. That's why I

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Speaker 2: really please to see some changes and who actually takes

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Speaker 2: responsibility for those incidents as well.

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Speaker 1: Chris I was surprised at how much of a hassle

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Speaker 1: gang members are. They only make up zero point two

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Speaker 1: percent of the national population according to this report, but

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Speaker 1: they accounted for nine percent of these tactical events.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they o the biggest concern I think as

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Speaker 2: a group because they also have sharing much more of

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Speaker 2: the willingness to have a go at police. That is

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Speaker 2: something that I think the five oh one deportees has changed. Also,

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Speaker 2: that the younger group of people joining police and sorry,

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Speaker 2: joining gangs, who have a different response to get to

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Speaker 2: police officers as a concern to me, and obviously've got

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Speaker 2: to address wire young people joining gangs. But equally the level

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Speaker 2: of violence is consuming for officers.

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Speaker 1: So I mean when cops are dealing with non gang

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Speaker 1: offenders like an offender who isn't patched eight percent of

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Speaker 1: them likely to be armed, with gang members twenty five

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Speaker 1: percent of them likely to be armed. That number is

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Speaker 1: so high. Are the cops routinely just arming up themselves

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Speaker 1: when they have to go deal with the gangs?

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Speaker 2: Now, look at frontline cops will tell you when they

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Speaker 2: stop a gang car, they believe that there's such a

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Speaker 2: high chart of a firearm being present that they created

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Speaker 2: life was likely to be And that's the risk assessment

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Speaker 2: they take. And you know, you can understand why they

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Speaker 2: would see these statistics.

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Speaker 1: Chris, it's good to talk to you. Thank you for that.

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Speaker 1: Appreciated this. Chris car Hill, the chief executive of the

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Speaker 1: Police Association on that. Did you see there was a

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Speaker 1: shooting in gray Lin last night? Now? Now Graylan is

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Speaker 1: suck a nice part of Auckland, right, it's being gentrified.

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Speaker 1: It's full of people who are professionals and families and

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Speaker 1: stuff like that. So we are shooting in Graylan is

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Speaker 1: kind of a slightly shocking thing. That was the fourth

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Speaker 1: homicide and investigation that a police have launched just in

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Speaker 1: the last ten days. That's just in Auckland. Okay, four

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Speaker 1: homicide investigations in ten days in one city. For the

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Speaker 1: North Island, the numbers are even more staggering. Just since

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Speaker 1: the start of August. That's just slightly over a month, right,

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Speaker 1: a month and five days, ten homicide investigations. What the

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Speaker 1: hell is going on? And the one in gray Lin

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Speaker 1: is not even like it's pity as all hell. No

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Speaker 1: gang's involved, Yeah, some criminals. What it was was a

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Speaker 1: bit of a neighborly dispute, damage to property, broken windows

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Speaker 1: on cars and houses, escalated, kid gets shot on the street. Not' say.

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