1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Peter Lewis is Asia Business correspondent. He's with us tonight. Hi, Peter, 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Good evening. Ryan Hijinpang has had a meeting with some 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: pretty prominent entrepreneurs this week. What is the message that 4 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: he's sending to the business community there. 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: Well, I think he's sending a message that technology and 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 2: private the private sector is absolutely essential to growth in 7 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: China going forward, and that if they want to counter 8 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: Donald Trump and all his various tariffs, the best way 9 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: is to be able to rely on the large domestic 10 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 2: economy that China has and to grow that and to 11 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 2: boost consumption. Now, this meeting was very unusual because President 12 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 2: she doesn't normally meet with private sector executives, and in fact, 13 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: the last time he did so about four years ago. 14 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: That started a clampdown on a lot of private companies 15 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: like Ali Barba, like ten Cents, which really hit the 16 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: share prices of all these companies. They were subjected to 17 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: investigations that went on for years for fines, and he 18 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: basically took the view that these companies were only allowed 19 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 2: to exist with the permission of the state, and therefore 20 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 2: they were subservient to the states. And that's what really 21 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: led to this big crackdown and the demise of the 22 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: Chinese stock market. Well, that seems to have all changed. 23 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: President She seems to be delivering a different message now 24 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 2: and it was probably highlighted most of all by the 25 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 2: reappearance of Jack mar the founder of Ali Barba. He's 26 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 2: really been in exile since about twenty twenty when Ali 27 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 2: Barba got clamped on by Beijing after he criticized the 28 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 2: regulators for lack of innovation, and that you may remember 29 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: that the Ants Group IPO was suddenly canceled at the 30 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 2: very last minute. It was going to be the biggest 31 00:01:55,400 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 2: Chinese IPO ever. So he went into exile in Japan. Well, 32 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: he reappeared at this meeting, shook hands with President She. 33 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: So it really was very symbolic that Jack Marr was back, 34 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: that Ali Barba was back, and these companies were going 35 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 2: to be allowed to prosper once again. Excuse me. It's 36 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: really boosted the share price of these companies. Ali Barber's 37 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 2: up about eleven percent a day following its results last night. 38 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 2: It's risen about fifty percent in just the last month. 39 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 2: I did about one hundred billion dollars in market cap, 40 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,399 Speaker 2: but that's being reflected by a lot of other tech 41 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 2: companies that are listed here in Hong Kong at the 42 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 2: moment as well, that are really surging right now. 43 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: How much of that is to do with the Chinese government, 44 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: How much does it do with Beijing needing growth? 45 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, they really do need to grow their economy. 46 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: It is very much in the in the doldrums. People 47 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 2: aren't spending and consumption international compared with international levels is 48 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 2: very low. In China it's about forty percent of GDP. 49 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,679 Speaker 2: Well in the US it's more than three quarters of GDP. 50 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 2: So they really need to boost their domestic economy, get 51 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: consumers spending and technology is going to be one of 52 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 2: the ways in which that's going to be done, the 53 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 2: adoption of AI and more advanced technology, of green technology. 54 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 2: Really these companies need to boost those areas and that 55 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,519 Speaker 2: will feed through to consumption and economic growth. So these 56 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 2: companies are absolutely essential to China meeting its growth targets 57 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 2: and being able to fight back against the Donald Trump's 58 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 2: tariffs which have been put on the country. 59 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: Speaking of which, Peter, we've got Trump Beshing has chased 60 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: over in the US from the White House about reciprocal 61 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: terrorists and then Mode in India is looking at all 62 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: of this, and he's actually starting to movee, starting to 63 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: cut some import texas. 64 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 2: Yes, so well, India's in an testing position. I mean, 65 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 2: it really wants to develop ties, cultivate ties with both 66 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: the US and with China. It doesn't want to take sides, 67 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: and it's been walking this incredible type rope for about 68 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: the last two years now where it's sort of almost 69 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 2: trying to play the two off against each other and 70 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: benefit from both sides. But it can't really afford at 71 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 2: this stage in its growth to have sweeping tariffs from 72 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 2: the US, and it does have very high tariffs itself 73 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 2: on international goods going into China, for example, into India 74 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: on motorcycles for example, there's one hundred percent tariffs on imports. 75 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 2: So Trump's tariff threats aren't having an impact. Mode has 76 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 2: been over to see him at the White House. They're 77 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: talking about a wide ranging trade agreement and cutting India's 78 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 2: tariffs to make it more competitive, not just for the 79 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 2: US but for other countries to be able to walk 80 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 2: there and do business there. Now, that's going to be 81 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 2: good for India. I mean, India is one of the 82 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 2: fastest growing economies in Asia, but it needs to keep 83 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 2: that going because it's got a very large population, a 84 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 2: lot of young people who need jobs, so it's absolutely 85 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 2: essential that growth is maintained at around at least six percent. 86 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 2: We have been seeing eight percent over the last couple 87 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: of years, but it has slowed off a bit in 88 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 2: the last few months. So it's probably a sensible response 89 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: to actually try and reduce its own tariffs to mitigate 90 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 2: the impact of Donald Trump's tariffs. 91 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 1: Peter Singapore's announced vouchers and tax breaks to help people 92 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: with the rising cost of living. 93 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's going to be six hundred dollars worth of 94 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 2: Singapore dollars worth of vouchers. Old people are also going 95 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 2: to get an extra I think two hundred dollars each 96 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 2: to try and boost the economy there. There's an election 97 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 2: coming up later this year, so obviously that's part of it, 98 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 2: and these handouts will hopefully help alleviate some of the 99 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: cost of living pressures. Singapore is one of the most 100 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 2: expensive cities in the world to live. Housing costs are 101 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,239 Speaker 2: extremely expensive, so there is a real cost of living 102 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: problem in Singapore that the government needs to address, and 103 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: the way it's doing that is through these consumption vouchers. 104 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: Fascinating stuff, Peter, thank you very much for that. Peddle Lewis, 105 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 1: Asia Business Correspondent. 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