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Speaker 1: So employment confidence is once again down across the country,

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Speaker 1: people struggle with job security and recruitment. The Westpact McDermott

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Speaker 1: Miller Employment Confidence Index has dropped to eighty eight point three.

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Speaker 1: This is the lowest level since September twenty twenty, a

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Speaker 1: level last scene post COVID in twenty twenty. Tom O'Neil

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Speaker 1: is an employment expert and a manager of CV dot

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Speaker 1: co dot Nz and is with me this morning? Is

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Speaker 1: he indeed with me here this morning? Oh? There he

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Speaker 1: is up there. I found you, Tommy. You were missing

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Speaker 1: on my computer screen. Good morning to you, jar your screen.

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Speaker 1: Why our employers still pessimistic?

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Speaker 2: Ah, look, you know it's I think obviously we've got,

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Speaker 2: you know, the specter of tariffs from America, and I

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Speaker 2: just think it's it's the massively bad hangover of just

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Speaker 2: all the facts that have been sort of conspiring against

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Speaker 2: New Zealand over the last for the three for five years.

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Speaker 2: And it's interesting there's next messages out there. The SEEK

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Speaker 2: had an employment report that just came out recently, you know,

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Speaker 2: the job board, and they set after two years of

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Speaker 2: steady decline and job ed volumes the past eight months

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Speaker 2: has been brought to be flat now. I know that

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Speaker 2: doesn't sound like good news. That's just some degree that's

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Speaker 2: shine that actually, you know, I think I liked to

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Speaker 2: think we've actually now flat out. And you know, as

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Speaker 2: the year progresses and you know, as hopefully the tarastoe

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Speaker 2: tune into something that is going to be massively destructive

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Speaker 2: for our economy, we can move forward and actually even

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Speaker 2: have a bump floader in the year, hope.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of people are playing for jobs right now.

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Speaker 1: But you can smell the desperation, can't you.

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Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely absolutely. And this is the thing being a

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Speaker 2: candidate out there, you know, you need to you need

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Speaker 2: to try and push that, you know, desperation. I sort

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Speaker 2: of describe it like being a duck. You see a

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Speaker 2: duck on a lake swimming along the top half of

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Speaker 2: the duck is all nice and calm and downstairs under

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Speaker 2: the water, but you don't think going crazy. And that's

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Speaker 2: what we need to do when we're candidates, when we

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Speaker 2: go in to the market. And it's a horrible thing

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Speaker 2: to say that the end of the day, employers smell desperation,

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Speaker 2: they really really do. And so it's important during that

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Speaker 2: whole interview time, anytime you tap in touch with employers.

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Speaker 2: You just put on that top half of the duck,

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Speaker 2: you know, you just put on that brave, confident face

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Speaker 2: and just really get out there.

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Speaker 1: I call it. I call it put on your big

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Speaker 1: boy pants and just and just go in there with confidence.

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Speaker 1: Tom O'Neil from CV dot co dot in for more

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