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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 2: It's Jack tame on, Heather Duplicy Allen Drive with one

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Let's get connected new Stalk.

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Speaker 3: SEDB Shelden, New Zealand. Good afternoon, Welcome to News Talks dB.

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Speaker 3: Jack tame in for Heather Duplicity Allen. This week forty

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Speaker 3: three items on the government's latest to do list. Most

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Speaker 3: of them we were expecting. Most of them have been signaled,

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Speaker 3: things like passing legislation to reverse the ban on oil

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Speaker 3: and gas exploration. There are some interesting little tidbits that

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Speaker 3: have come out, and the government's latest action plan though

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Speaker 3: apparently in Q four this year, before Christmas, they will

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Speaker 3: take cabinet decisions on the future of the greyhound racing industry. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: we're going to go through the list, tell you about

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Speaker 3: the action plan throughout the show this afternoon, and then

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Speaker 3: Infrastructure and Housing Minister Chris Bishop, who probably makes up

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Speaker 3: about a third of the things on the action plan,

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Speaker 3: is going to be with us right after five o'clock.

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Speaker 3: Right now, it's seven minutes past for Jack. Well between

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Speaker 3: the Cookstrait fairies and the changing plans for Dunedin Hospital,

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Speaker 3: I reckon the government is at growing risk of a

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Speaker 3: major problem with its support around the South Island. It's

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Speaker 3: obvious right like communities outside of Auckland and Wellington, maybe

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Speaker 3: to a slightly lesser extent, but communities outside of Auckland

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Speaker 3: and Wellington often quite rightly feel like a bit of

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Speaker 3: an afterthought in the considerations of Wellington decision makers. But

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Speaker 3: I gotta say it was nonetheless remarkable to see so

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Speaker 3: many people take to the streets in Dunedin over the weekend,

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Speaker 3: thirty five thousand protesters with barely any notice. And of

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Speaker 3: course it isn't just Dunedin's residence, right It is all

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Speaker 3: of those regional communities that were supposed to be served

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Speaker 3: by the new hospital, who feel lied to, who feel misled,

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Speaker 3: And if the fury of those crowds is anything to

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Speaker 3: go by, this is only the start of what's going

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Speaker 3: to be ongoing, very very public, prominent protest action. As

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Speaker 3: for the hospital itself, is anyone surprised that the cost

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Speaker 3: of this thing has spiraled once again? I'm not even

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Speaker 3: outside of pandemic eraror supply chain issues in New Zealand

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Speaker 3: has a consistent habit of blowouts in the cost of

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Speaker 3: infrastructure development and look, no one's disputing that these are

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Speaker 3: tricky economic times. But every time the government makes one

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Speaker 3: of these high profile cost saving Captain's calls, the communities

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Speaker 3: on the receiving end will prickle. The Health and Infrastructure

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Speaker 3: ministers warn that the cost of the need and hospital

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Speaker 3: could blow out to three billion dollars if they continue

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Speaker 3: with the original design, but that is awfully close to

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Speaker 3: the revenue cost of the landlord tax changes, which the

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Speaker 3: government prioritized when it took office. Governing's about choices. Governing

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Speaker 3: is about choices, and in the eyes of those in

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Speaker 3: the South, this choice will not be forgotten or forgiven

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Speaker 3: any time soon. Jack D nine nine two is the

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Speaker 3: text number if you want to flip me a note

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Speaker 3: this afternoon. Jacket newstalk s head b dot co dot

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Speaker 3: nz is the email addresses. The focus continues to be

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Speaker 3: on the future of small town New Zealand regional New Zealand,

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Speaker 3: with a leading academic adding to the conversation this morning

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Speaker 3: saying that quote tough conversations are needed. So we've seen

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Speaker 3: Windstone Pulp close in the u a Pehu district. We've

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Speaker 3: now got Alliance proposing to shut its meat works in Tamudo.

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Speaker 3: That alone is hundreds of jobs gone, potentially hundreds of

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Speaker 3: people flying off to Australia. Senior Lecturer of geography at

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Speaker 3: Otago University, doctor Sean Connolly says the towns can be

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Speaker 3: built back up if they're prepared to adapt to a

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Speaker 3: new reality.

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Speaker 4: Once you reach a certain critical mass, the options for

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Speaker 4: the future get narrowed.

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Speaker 3: So is there anything the government can do to help

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Speaker 3: with this? Shane Jones is the Minister for Regional Development.

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Speaker 1: Up Greetings, folks, are you worried.

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Speaker 3: That we are going to lose some of our small towns?

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Speaker 5: Well, we're going through a major structural adjustment, whether we

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Speaker 5: like it or not here in our economy. It's not

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Speaker 5: just to do with COVID, but land use changes are

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Speaker 5: taking place. Energy prices largely driven by the need to

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Speaker 5: achieve certain climate goals, sadly driving industry, if not to

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Speaker 5: a smaller size, potentially out of New Zealand. And I

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Speaker 5: don't like it.

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Speaker 3: We're hang on. You think that the decline of regional

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Speaker 5: Change, Well, if we're not going to maintain access to

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Speaker 5: to continually make it more difficult through regulations for farmers

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Speaker 5: to sustain production. We are going to see a contraction

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Speaker 3: We've been experiencing a contraction in those populations for decades though,

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Speaker 5: What keeps those populations going, though, is the local economy.

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Speaker 5: And one thing that we've been really good at in

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Speaker 1: Production of food.

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Speaker 5: Like I just had the people from the vegetable growers

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Speaker 5: in my office last week. They find that the regulations

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Speaker 5: pertaining to their water utilization, the application of fertilizer has

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Speaker 5: go towards importing more food rather than growing it ourselves.

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Speaker 5: So it's time for a reset.

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Speaker 3: So what else can the government do from a policy

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Speaker 3: perspective to keep those small towns thriving?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 5: I think I've I personally, I think I've delivered because

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Speaker 5: a lot of those small towns you're refer into city

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Speaker 5: on the coast, they depend on agriculture. And when we

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Speaker 5: take a pragmatic view about regulation, for example, I extended

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Speaker 5: all the marine farming purpose through.

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Speaker 1: To twenty fifty.

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Speaker 5: That leaves more money in the business people have the

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Speaker 5: confidence to invest and that's the growth industry for New Zealand,

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Speaker 5: and it is going to sustain a lot of small

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Speaker 5: towns that have been yeah in Strugglers Gully.

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Speaker 3: What other from a migration perspective, are there immigration settings

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Speaker 3: that you could tinker with that might help to support

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't know how many of the workers associated

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Speaker 5: with Alliance Networks where we're kiwis and how many were say,

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Speaker 5: not RC workers, but migrant labor. There is a need

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Speaker 5: in some cases for migrant labor. But my main point

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Speaker 5: is land use change is taking place. There is a

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Speaker 5: situation where a lot of dairy dislocated sheep farmers, some

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Speaker 5: land and property making decisions that they feel are in

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Speaker 5: the best interests of them and their families, and that's

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Speaker 5: having an impact on local industry. Okay, so what do

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Speaker 5: we do. Do we go through to a central planning

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Speaker 5: stop land use changes. One of the great gems of

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Speaker 5: genius in our system in New Zealand is that you've

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Speaker 5: been able to change the way in which you use

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Speaker 3: Hey, I'm not sure if you saw at the weekend

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Speaker 3: What is your response to that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I got questioned on that during my meeting at Bulls.

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Speaker 5: All I'd say to your listeners is that I come

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Speaker 5: every time we drive north, we pay a toll and

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Speaker 5: we've been doing that for a long time. A toll

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Speaker 5: was never imposed on the Golden Highway and the Golden

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Speaker 5: missed there. But you know, I'd call for a bit

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Speaker 5: of FeNiS here. Obviously any toll has to be informed

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Speaker 5: those of us who live in Taytalkido in the North,

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Speaker 5: we already pay a toll every time we leave Auckland and.

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Speaker 3: Finally I saw you got into a bit of a

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Speaker 3: scrap this afternoon. Wow, not really a scrap, but a

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Speaker 3: bit of a barney on Lampton Key with some climate protests.

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Speaker 3: What happened?

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Speaker 5: Oh, look, I went down to get a haircut. They

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Speaker 5: were originally they were originally in front of Parliament and

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Speaker 5: I missed them, so I was going down for a haircut.

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Speaker 3: So you ended up giving one instead.

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Speaker 5: Well, they were pretty keen to figuratively sculpt me, but

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Speaker 5: it was a bit of a war of words, but

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Speaker 5: nothing too imaging. But hey, you know, I'm a rhetorician,

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Speaker 5: so I should expect a bit of the return fire

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Speaker 3: Fair enough, Thank you very much of your time. We

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Speaker 3: appreciate it that as Shane Jones, thank you for your

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Speaker 3: feedback as well. Jack spot On, thank you for your

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Speaker 3: comments and coverage regarding to Needen Hospital. There's been very

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Speaker 3: little conversation from my perspective, but that's not unusual for

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Speaker 3: those of us who live in the South. I'm a

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Speaker 3: and co. Jack give us a break. The people protesting

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Speaker 3: There is one thing the left does well, and that's protest.

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Speaker 3: And isn't it nice to have a government that tells

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Speaker 3: I think that would be the criticism of many of

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Speaker 3: feel like during the election campaign that certain assurances were

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Speaker 3: given that Dunedin would have the full hospital plan as

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Speaker 3: was originally designed. Thanks for feedback, though ninety two ninety

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Speaker 3: a close look at the Deeden hospital situation after five

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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather duper c

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Speaker 3: Nineteen past four on news talks, he'd be Jack Shane

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Speaker 3: Jones doesn't have to pay a toll to go north.

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Speaker 3: There are free roads, says Stephen. It's my understanding, Stephen

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Speaker 3: that for all toll roads, if they're introducing them, there

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Speaker 3: has to be a free option. Now, the free option

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Speaker 3: might be a pain in the butt. Might be super windy,

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Speaker 3: the road might be crap, it might take you ages,

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Speaker 3: but there has to be a free option. Jack, don't

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Speaker 3: mind paying a toll, but four dollars thirty every way

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Speaker 3: For goodness sake, this is a very low income area.

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Speaker 3: Many struggle as it is. Thanks for your feedback. I'll

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Speaker 3: it is time to catch up with our sports talk

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Speaker 3: hosts for this evening. Jason Pine is in the hot

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Speaker 3: seat from seven Galder Pinney Keller. Jack, So what's your

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Speaker 3: view as a proud Wellingtonian try and put your bias

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Speaker 3: aside for a moment here. Should TJ pett Natter go

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Speaker 3: on the end of year Northern Tour?

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Speaker 8: Absolutely? Yes, absolutely for me he does and I'm hovering

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Speaker 8: above this, Jack, I am, I'm looking. Look the numbers

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Speaker 8: alone would tell you TJ's played seven of the eight

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Speaker 8: Test matches this year. Noah Hotham had half an hour

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Speaker 8: future of the All Blacks. But I think we need

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Speaker 8: to balance looking to the future with trying to win

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Speaker 8: these Test matches up North, and if they decide not

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Speaker 8: to take TJ. Then your three half backs of cam

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Speaker 8: Roy Guard, Quartiers Latama and Noah Hotham, who between them

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Speaker 8: He didn't play the big games at the Rugby World

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Speaker 8: until he got injured, and everyone agrees he's the man

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Speaker 8: moving forward. But I'd be taking TJ every day of

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on Newstalk Sedby Drive.

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Speaker 3: And Hurricane Helene's death toll has risen now to ninety

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Speaker 3: Almost a million Lebanese people have been displaced by Israeli

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Speaker 6: It has to do. We really have to be avoided.

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Speaker 3: And for some more sad news, sailors, I was born

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Speaker 3: this afternoon, kild Oliver get a jack Let's pick up

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Speaker 3: on the situation in the Middle East. And a senator

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Speaker 3: Well, well, this is the thing, especially in Australia, because

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Speaker 11: We're talking here about engineers who have down tools. They're

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Speaker 11: to be impacted by any of these work stoppages.

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Speaker 3: Does that work? How do customers not not get impacted

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Speaker 3: by thousands of engineers going on strike? Does that mean

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Speaker 3: that no one's like checking the engines to make sure

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Speaker 3: that all the bolts are there?

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 11: I know, it does make you wonder, doesn't it. Or

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Speaker 11: perhaps they're just leaving a little bit more time between

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Speaker 11: flights so when they know that they're look at the moment,

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Speaker 11: it probably is manageable because they're two hour stop work meeting,

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Speaker 11: so they're probably you know, changing the schedule ever so

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Speaker 11: slightly to try and get people away a bit earlier,

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Speaker 11: a little bit after.

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Speaker 1: To try and lessen that impact.

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Speaker 11: But I agree with you, it makes you think, Hold

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Speaker 11: on a minute, it was that plane in the sky

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Speaker 11: and no one gave it the once over.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, golp, Yeah, it might just be slightly more nervous

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Speaker 3: than usual boarding a plan for that.

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Speaker 6: Hey.

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Speaker 3: Police are being banned from all messaging apps on their

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Speaker 3: work phones.

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Speaker 11: This is in New South Wales. Interesting decision being made

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Speaker 11: by the New South Wales Police Force. The only way

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Speaker 11: you can communicate with each other on a work issued

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Speaker 11: phone is through Messenger, which is obviously they've all got iPhones.

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Speaker 3: So through the Apple Eye message.

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Speaker 11: You can't send WhatsApp messages, you can't now download Telegram

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Speaker 11: And basically they're saying this is because there was an

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Speaker 11: issue last year where some police had tried to cover

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Speaker 11: up a particular incident allegedly a drunk cop crashed in

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Speaker 11: a tunnel in Sydney last year and it was all

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Speaker 11: covered up and has now been before the Corruption and

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Speaker 11: Crime Commission in New South Wales. But some cynics are saying,

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Speaker 11: hold on a minute. There have been some very very

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Speaker 11: damaging leaks, particularly against the Police Commissioner of New South Wales,

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Speaker 11: that this is perhaps her way, Karen Webb, of trying

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Speaker 11: to shut that down so that they can trace every

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Speaker 11: message and every phone call that's been made from a

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Speaker 11: police office issued phone to the opposition or or a

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Speaker 11: journalist or whatever it might be. Cops are saying, simple, thy,

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Speaker 11: just get burner phones because they'll continue to do what

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Speaker 11: they need to do. But it's an interesting move and

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Speaker 11: I want for a lot of other workplaces, even around

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Speaker 11: Australia or New Zealand, might think of doing something similar.

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Speaker 3: Just I feel like, if you've got a work phone,

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Speaker 3: don't do anything on that phone that you wouldn't be

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Speaker 3: happy with your boss knowing about.

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Speaker 6: I reckon.

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Speaker 3: Those are words to live by, are they not? Whether

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Speaker 3: you're a police officer, whether you're a public for or

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Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. Just don't search anything, don't text anything.

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Speaker 3: Don't photograph anything you shouldn't.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, exactly exactly because you trying to use that work

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Speaker 11: email address to maybe get something that you thought if

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Speaker 11: I have my signature there it might help me out.

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Speaker 3: We'll be prepared that it could come back on the

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Speaker 3: back side. The truth comes out, Oliver, the truth comes out.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was an impressive looking emailsim it. So

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Speaker 3: thank you very much for your time. I appreciate it

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Speaker 3: as always, Oliver Peterson there from six PR Perth Live.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, the government has released its action plan forty

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Speaker 3: three different items that it wants to tick off the

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Speaker 3: list before Christmas, before the end of the year. I've

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Speaker 3: got to say this whole action plan thing is a

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Speaker 3: very effective way of keeping up with their work process

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Speaker 3: and progress. Right Like from a PR perspective, it's very simple,

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Speaker 3: but honestly it's actually very useful. So there are a

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Speaker 3: couple of things as well as the big infrastructure infrastructure

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Speaker 3: stuff and the law and order stuff, a couple of

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Speaker 3: little things that have peaked my interest. So for example,

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Speaker 3: Cabinet's going to make decisions on the future of Greyhound

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Speaker 3: that'll be before Christmas, and there are a couple of

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Speaker 3: things relating to racing lotteries and gambling gaming as a whole.

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Speaker 3: I suppose that clearly they're looking to prioritize. So they're

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Speaker 3: going to introduce legislation to ensure the financial sustainability of

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Speaker 3: the racing industry before christs don't know what that means. Necessarily,

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Speaker 3: they're also going to pass legislation that will allow lotteries

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Speaker 3: for non commercial purposes to operate online. So if you

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Speaker 3: were looking to do a bit of a fundraiser and

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Speaker 3: it wasn't you weren't making money out of this lottery,

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Speaker 3: you were just fundraising, you could do that online, which

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Speaker 3: you can imagine might be a really effective measure of fundraising.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 3: I suppose a few pitfalls to avoid as well. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: we'll tell you more about the action plan after five o'clock.

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Speaker 3: Right now, it's called five.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centrics. Credit, check your customers and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: The man, the myth, the legend, Barry Soaper is here

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Speaker 3: in studio our senior political correspondent, Kyoder. Ser again, Jack,

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Speaker 3: how are you doing that? I'm very well, thank you.

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Speaker 3: Just before we rip into things, I just have to

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Speaker 3: very quickly given up that on the rugby because the

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Speaker 3: Blackfomends are taking on Ireland at the moment. Ireland got

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Speaker 3: ahead a couple of minutes ago, but now the Black

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Speaker 3: Fomens have worked things back. So where a head twenty five,

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Speaker 3: twenty two, seven minutes to go. Let you know how

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Speaker 3: that go win? Anyway they should do, they should do.

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Speaker 3: The action plan is out forty three items. I think

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Speaker 3: most of these we knew about. But I'm finding this

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Speaker 3: to be a very honestly a useful exercise and keeping

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Speaker 3: up with the Yeah, it was for the good of

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Speaker 3: than the.

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Speaker 12: Old nebulas used to get justin done saying a year

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Speaker 12: of delivery but without spelling out what was going to

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Speaker 12: be delivered. Yeah, by the end of the year it

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Speaker 12: was an absolute disaster, so nothing was delivered. But this

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Speaker 12: specifically spells out exactly where I want to go. And

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Speaker 12: this one is essentially about infrastructure, so there's no surprises there.

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Speaker 12: We all knew what they're going to do, but they

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Speaker 12: can be held accountable. And the point that Chris Luxon

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Speaker 12: made today was that they've delivered thirty nine of the

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Speaker 12: forty actions they announced and that third action plan and

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Speaker 12: that was an easy while an easy one that took

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Speaker 12: a lot of legislation, a law and order. But he

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Speaker 12: was in Auckland today and he was doing a stand

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Speaker 12: up with some journalists. They went that interest in the

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Speaker 12: action plan, but they were interested in the Dunedin hospital, which,

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Speaker 12: of course, as we know, drew a protest in that

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Speaker 12: city of thirty five thousand over the weekend.

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Speaker 3: He said he wants to build it.

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Speaker 12: But it has to be contained in the one point

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Speaker 12: nine billion dollar envelope, which he says, we'll still make

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Speaker 12: it one of the most expensive hospitals in the Southern hemisphere.

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Speaker 12: Here he was a short time ago.

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Speaker 9: We've got a review underway looking at two options, whether

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Speaker 9: on the new side or the old site. Will take

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Speaker 9: advice on that and move through very quickly. We are

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Speaker 9: committed to building a new hospital there, but you cannot

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Speaker 9: have a situation as we've inherited around the ferries, as

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Speaker 9: we've inherited around school buildings, where we have cost blowouts,

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Speaker 9: and we have to make sure that we can get

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Speaker 9: a good hospital in place for people I don't needed

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Speaker 9: in the South, but within budget because the choices we

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Speaker 9: have limited amounts of money and the reality is that

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Speaker 9: those are the moneys we cannot invest in other regional

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Speaker 9: hospitals which we also have in commitments and investments around

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Speaker 9: as well.

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Speaker 12: So I hope that gives some hope to the people

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Speaker 12: of Dunedin because they certainly do need an upgrade a

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Speaker 12: hospital in that city.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Shane Jones has with them.

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Speaker 12: I know you're going to be interviewing them.

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Speaker 3: I think after part oh, we just had him. Well,

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Speaker 3: Shane Jones.

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Speaker 12: What I really love about Shane Jones, he likes to

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Speaker 12: mix it and you'll get out there and standing on

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Speaker 12: a street he was in Wellington and was not not

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Speaker 12: far from Parliament. He was standing there giving the protesters

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Speaker 12: jupo and they were climate change protesters and a woman

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Speaker 12: was standing essentially with a megaphone right up to his face.

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Speaker 12: But that didn't put him off his pace.

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Speaker 13: Your climate terrif your viewing.

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Speaker 12: The destroy this country, you are going to rip this

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Speaker 12: country is hard up your practic.

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Speaker 14: You're being a hyperpolelect like your own title two.

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Speaker 1: Palsied when we're not destroying the planet. The planet is

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Speaker 1: not the key to these different evid cause we.

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Speaker 4: Want to keep the lights on and pound and destroyed,

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Speaker 4: carry on and see.

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Speaker 12: What they were really hosed off about was that the

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Speaker 12: legislation only gives four days on the Oil and Gas

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Speaker 12: staff of submissions. What the point he made, and it's

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Speaker 12: absolutely right when it was canned, well, no notice was given.

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Speaker 12: The exploration was canned overnight. Essentially.

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Speaker 3: I don't think even New Zealand first even got a

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Speaker 3: heads up as a coalition partner. Then did I know?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, well you know, and what he said was our

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Speaker 12: mandate was at the last election. They went out, they

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Speaker 12: they are not protested. They told the electric what was

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Speaker 12: going to happen, and they're doing it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Christopher Luxen has sold his apartment and moved into

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Speaker 3: Premier House.

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Speaker 12: Well, the poor prime minister, he turned out hopefully he

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Speaker 12: would think, I would imagine at the Long Bay housing development.

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Speaker 12: He was hoping to get some questions on that, but

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Speaker 12: he got more about Premiere House. And that used to

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Speaker 12: be known as the Murder House because it was a

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Speaker 12: dentist and the thing is that anyone gets murdered if

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Speaker 12: they don't live there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Problem.

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Speaker 12: So he sold his apartment around the corner, and so

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Speaker 12: he said was rather pathetic.

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Speaker 6: Really, I thought.

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Speaker 12: He said, Look, they replaced some carpet thirty four years old.

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Speaker 12: They gave it a lique of paint inside and some

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Speaker 12: new curtains and look, I can testify I've been there

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Speaker 12: on many occasions. Yeah, I did need something of an upgrade,

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Speaker 12: I can tell you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very good. Hey, thank you so much. Great to

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Speaker 3: see you. Barry, Senior Political correspondent, Barry Soper. Their quick

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Speaker 3: update in the rugby three minutes to go. Currently the

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Speaker 3: Black Fans are up by five, although the Irish have

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Speaker 3: the ball inside our twenty two, so a pretty close

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Speaker 3: contest being played out at the moment. I will make

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Speaker 3: sure to let you know. Oh, and it is set

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Speaker 3: for the Black Funds, so we've got possessed at the

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Speaker 3: very least. I'll make sure to let you know how

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Speaker 3: that game wraps up in a couple of minutes. Right

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Speaker 3: now it is seven to five.

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Speaker 2: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers. The mic Hosking

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Speaker 2: breakfast from the Dunedin Hospital thing.

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Speaker 3: The government's got a fight on its hands at the

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Speaker 3: plans to downscale the hospital, which has blown its budget.

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Speaker 3: Infrastructure Minister Chris Bishop is with me.

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Speaker 10: Now.

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Speaker 5: Surely you guys have just had a bit of a

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Speaker 5: chat to the industry and seen if this is completely

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Speaker 5: out of whack or if actually this is what everybody

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Speaker 5: would charge it.

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Speaker 15: Well, I would say to that is you can be

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Speaker 15: assured that we are being as diligent and as rigorous

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Speaker 15: as you would expect the government to be with spending

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Speaker 15: two billion dollars. But there are no easy options here.

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Speaker 15: We've got a way out the trade offs between going

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Speaker 15: out to market and potentially delaying the actual part of

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Speaker 15: construction on the impatient for another long period of time.

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Speaker 15: And I think the people to need and it say

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Speaker 15: to make that the pairrible idea. Just get on with

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Speaker 15: hope together.

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Speaker 2: Duplessy Ellen on the Mic Hosking Breakfast in fact tomorrow

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Speaker 1: On news talks, he'd be thank.

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Speaker 3: You for your feedback. On news talks, he'd be gazillions

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Speaker 3: of texts have come through. I've done a wafflel job

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Speaker 3: of getting to them, but I'll do my best now, Jack. Honestly,

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Speaker 3: do these blasted rental crowd protests think there's a bloody

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Speaker 3: money tree out there? Big deal that Christopher Luxon's moved

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Speaker 3: into Premier House, So what he's the Prime minister. Here's

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Speaker 3: Pauline No. I think he was getting stick for not

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Speaker 3: being in Premier House Pauline, but it was very tired.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it meant the rental standards, but

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Speaker 3: only just you know, it wouldn't surprise me. Put it

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Speaker 3: this way, wouldn't surprise me if the Prime Minister has

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Speaker 3: a couple of fan heaters going in there come next winter.

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Speaker 3: Jack disingenuous of the Prime Minister to say that if

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Speaker 3: Dunedin Hospital is fully funded that other hospitals will miss out,

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Speaker 3: when Dunedin has missed out on funding four decades at

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Speaker 3: the expense of others. I mean, this does seem to

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Speaker 3: be a phenomenon that particularly afflicts New Zealand infrastructure projects,

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Speaker 3: does it not. When was the last time a really

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Speaker 3: big project came in on time and on budget. Honestly,

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Speaker 3: Wayne Brown would be in here right now saying I

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Speaker 3: did it twenty five years ago. But I mean, this

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Speaker 3: is clearly a massive problem. The thing with the needon

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Speaker 3: hospital though, is it isn't just Dunedin, It's that whole

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Speaker 3: lower third of the South Island. So yeah, I don't

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Speaker 3: think this is a problem that's going to be going

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Speaker 3: away anytime soon for the government. We'll be speaking with

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Speaker 3: Infrastructure Minister Chris Bishop after five.

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Speaker 2: The only Drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 2: get the answers, by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 2: Jack taim On hither due to c Allen Drive with

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Speaker 2: One New Zealand let's get connected news talk as they'd

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Speaker 2: be well.

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Speaker 3: Infrastructure is that the hearts of the government's latest quarterly

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Speaker 3: action plan across the forty three actions they want to

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Speaker 3: take in the fourth quarter. It wants to pass the

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Speaker 3: Fast Track Approvals Bill, the first of its RMA reforms,

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Speaker 3: and establish the National Infrastructure Agency. But the government is

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Speaker 3: also promising to quote take Cabinet decisions on allowing greater

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Speaker 3: use of road tolling. So I think it's safe to

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Speaker 3: say we can all expect a few more toll roads

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Speaker 3: around the country. Infrastructure Minister Chris Bishop is all weathers.

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Speaker 1: This evening, Kilder, good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with number one on the list. The Fast

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Speaker 3: Track Approvals Bill is set to be passed, So when

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Speaker 3: will we see project actually getting underway?

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Speaker 16: Hopefully next year. We've got to get the bill into

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Speaker 16: law by the end of the year. It gets reported

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Speaker 16: back from the Select Committee in a few weeks time,

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Speaker 16: and we'll get into law by the end of the year.

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Speaker 16: And obviously we're going to select a range of projects

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Speaker 16: as part of that to be the first in the

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Speaker 16: queue that will be in the legislation to go off

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Speaker 16: and go to the expert panels for consenting, so they

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Speaker 16: will that will take place, you know, in the first

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Speaker 16: few months of next year, and depending on the project,

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Speaker 16: hopefully we'll see some spades in the ground next year.

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Speaker 3: Why does New Zealand need to toll roads?

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Speaker 16: Well, tolling is about new ways of financing roads to

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Speaker 16: make sure we can bring forward projects that you might

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Speaker 16: otherwise wait a large number of years to actually fund.

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Speaker 16: You know, think that people think about tot wronga They've

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Speaker 16: had toll roads there for many years now, and you know,

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Speaker 16: so that's a tried and true part of the transport

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Speaker 16: landscape in Torono. And we've made a commitment to explore

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Speaker 16: the use of tolling and other roads around the country

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Speaker 16: because it provides a revenue stream that you can then

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Speaker 16: use to help fund the road. And you know, people

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Speaker 16: think about other countries, you know, toll roads are very

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Speaker 16: common and you know, say Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne, many parts

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Speaker 16: of Europe, toll roads are standard practice and we don't

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Speaker 16: use them enough here.

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Speaker 1: Is our view.

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Speaker 6: So we're going to use them.

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Speaker 3: Massive pushback though in parts of regional New Zealand. Is

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Speaker 3: that going to be a problem for you?

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Speaker 16: Well, look, I think I've said publicly before that it

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Speaker 16: won't necessarily be popular with everybody. But the simple reality

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Speaker 16: is that we need to use different tools like tolls

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Speaker 16: and other mechanisms in order to get the infrastructure that

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Speaker 16: we need built. And I think as long as there's

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Speaker 16: an alternative that people can use, you know, people are

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Speaker 16: prepared to do that. And if you say to people, look,

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Speaker 16: you're going to pay a certain amount of money and

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Speaker 16: it's going to speed up your journey time, I think

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Speaker 16: most reasonable people go, yeah, you know what, Actually, just

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Speaker 16: get on with it.

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Speaker 1: Get the road built, you know, and it's.

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Speaker 3: A critical part of it, right. There has to be

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Speaker 3: an alternative. There has to be a free alternative for

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Speaker 3: one of these toll roads to be to be put

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Speaker 3: in place. How much of the actual capital outlay though,

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Speaker 3: does a toll road cover like does tolling cover the

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Speaker 3: initial construction costs or is it just the ongoing maintenance?

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Speaker 1: Well, it depends on the on the road.

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Speaker 16: So there will be horses for courses and it will

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Speaker 16: vary and it will obviously depend on trific flows and

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Speaker 16: things like that, and so I couldn't give you a

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Speaker 16: generic answer because it really depends on the road. But

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Speaker 16: that's why we've you know, we're going to pass legislation

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Speaker 16: to to do that, to take cabinet decisions to support

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Speaker 16: the greater use of toll roads, and it will just

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Speaker 16: depend on this particular project, but you know we've made

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Speaker 16: a commitment to do that and you know you'll see

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Speaker 16: that over the course of the next few months.

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Speaker 3: One of the other things in the action plan is

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Speaker 3: a call on the future of the greyhound sector. Is

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Speaker 3: there any possibility the government will continue to allow greyhound

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Speaker 3: racing into the future.

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Speaker 16: I don't want to get ahead of cabinet on that one.

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Speaker 16: That's an issue for Winston Peterson is Minister of Racing role.

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Speaker 16: He's doing a bit of work on that, I know,

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Speaker 16: and so it's part of the Action Plan and so

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Speaker 16: once we've got a cabinet decision on that, you know

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Speaker 16: there'll be an announcement around that.

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Speaker 3: And another one cabinet decisions on getting councils back to basics,

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Speaker 3: is that just getting them to focus on the rubbish,

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Speaker 3: the pipes the roads.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, that flows from the speech the Prime Minister gave

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Speaker 16: it to Keena down and Wellington, you know a few

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Speaker 16: weeks ago saying look, you guys have got to cut

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Speaker 16: your cloth. We've gone through line by line and cut

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Speaker 16: our cloth and reduced our spending. You guys have got

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Speaker 16: to do the same and very widely received speech. Not

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Speaker 16: so much in local government land, but I think most

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Speaker 16: people around the country agreed with that. And so you know,

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Speaker 16: we signaled in that speech that there will be legislation

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Speaker 16: coming around that and so you'll see that over the

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Speaker 16: next quarter as well.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for your time, We appreciate it. That is Infrastructure

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Speaker 3: Minister Chris Bishop Jack team eleven past five on news

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Speaker 3: talk z'd B speaking of getting back to basics that

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Speaker 3: government directive. Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown is pushing forward with

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Speaker 3: his quest to shut down Auckland's council controlled organization. So

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Speaker 3: according to leak papers, he's progressing plans to disestablish the

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Speaker 3: city's tourism and Economic Development Agency tartuky Unlimited. Wayne Brown says,

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Speaker 3: quote major events, destination marketing and visitor attractions are not

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Speaker 3: a required activity for the council, but what impact would

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Speaker 3: the closure have hospitality in Z's CEO, Steve Armitage is

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Speaker 3: with the suce Evening Calder Steve Golder Jack. So what

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Speaker 3: does Auckland Unlimited actually do well?

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Speaker 4: In simple terms, an economic development agency promotes the region

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Speaker 4: as an attractive destination for businesses, investors and visitors. But

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Speaker 4: it also provides an important point for the people who

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Speaker 4: live there. You know, we all want to live in

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Speaker 4: vibrant places. We all want to ensure that there's our

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Speaker 4: high quality content that we can engage with on a

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Speaker 4: day to day basis. And as a result of that,

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Speaker 4: there are whole lot of ancillary benefits. There are jobs created,

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Speaker 4: particularly off the back of the strength of Auckland's visitor

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Speaker 4: economy in recent years, but also the work that they've

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Speaker 4: done around sectors like the screen sector for example, which

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Speaker 4: is you know, one of the key key strengths and

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Speaker 4: a sector of competitive advantage for the city.

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Speaker 3: Is an organization like Tartaki Unlimited are nice to have.

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Speaker 4: No, I'd consider it to being essential and I think

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Speaker 4: if you have to look across the ditch to see

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Speaker 4: that there are similar organizations that are playing a pivotal

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Speaker 4: role helping respective states in Australia get back on their feet. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: we routinely look at Melbourne and Sydney and talk about

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Speaker 4: how well they are performing. You know, that doesn't happen

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Speaker 4: by accident. They have similar agencies that are well funded

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Speaker 4: and well supported and ultimately end up ensuring that they're

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Speaker 4: generating successful in generating and delivering successful events and driving

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Speaker 4: visitation which supports their local economies.

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Speaker 3: Is this the council's responsibility though? Why can't the private

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Speaker 3: seek to pick us up?

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Speaker 4: I think for a long period of time there has

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Speaker 4: been a desire and a willingness, even from within Tataki

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Speaker 4: Unlimited to look at alternative funding models. And to be

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Speaker 4: fair to them, they've done an incredible job. In recent times.

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Speaker 4: Money has been hard to come by, but they've established

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Speaker 4: a fund with the private sector and they've been able

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Speaker 4: to generate around two million dollars of support to help

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Speaker 4: promote Auckland as a destination into Australia in particular. Now,

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Speaker 4: I think seems a pretty clear signal that they're already

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Speaker 4: thinking about how they reduce the dependency on the rate payer.

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Speaker 4: But I think central government also has a key role

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Speaker 4: to play. A lot of this results and increased GST take,

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Speaker 4: but at the moment, central government's not playing a pivotal

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Speaker 4: role in supporting how Auckland is performing as a sector.

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Speaker 3: Right, how could that change? What would you like to see?

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Speaker 4: I think there's a conversation to be had around whether

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Speaker 4: there's alternative funding arrangements like an accommodation levy or a

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Speaker 4: bed tax if you like, which we've seen and play

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Speaker 4: in other redis and other cities around the world. Most

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Speaker 4: key wes are pretty familiar with that type of approach

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Speaker 4: to things, and a proportion of that funding can obviously

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Speaker 4: be held at a central level to potentially support development

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Speaker 4: of visitor infrastructure at a national level, but it'd be

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Speaker 4: great to see some of that funding being returned to

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Speaker 4: the region that it's generated in to help stimulate demand.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for your time, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 7: Steve.

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Speaker 3: That is Steve Armitage, the CEO of Hospitality in New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: Jack Team.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it was a heartbreaking end for the Black Ferns,

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Speaker 3: total heartbreakers. So they were playing Ireland in Vancouver. They

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Speaker 3: were up by five points going to the seventy ninth minute.

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to lay things out for you. Though

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Speaker 3: the Irish had the ball. They put together a series

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Speaker 3: of phases. They scored a try in the seventy ninth

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Speaker 3: minute to tie the game, and then the kicker lined

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Speaker 3: up a conversion kicked it. It felt like it hung

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Speaker 3: forever in the air. The ball bounced off the upright

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Speaker 3: post through the posts to give them a two point lead.

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Speaker 3: Ireland win twenty nine twenty seven. Talk about the d

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Speaker 3: of the Irish. If you want to get in touch

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Speaker 3: but not all of us get to say we are

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Speaker 3: the best. One company that can proudly claim that Accolade

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Speaker 3: Said Bes coming up to twenty past five on news

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Speaker 3: Talk ZEDB. The government is partnering with New Zealand wine

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Speaker 3: growers to essentially redesign our vineyards. The goal is to

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Speaker 3: get more sunlight on the violence because more sunlight means

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Speaker 3: more grapes and that would mean higher yields and the

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Speaker 3: changes could boost vineyard productivity by twenty two thousand dollars.

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Speaker 3: A hec there, CEO of the Winegrowers Research Center, Doctor

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Speaker 3: Juliet Ansell, is with us this evening. Hi Juliet, how

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Speaker 3: is this going to work?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Hi Jack?

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Speaker 17: So yeah.

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Speaker 14: Basically, the vineyard profitability has been in a bit of

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Speaker 14: a decline, and it's manly due to increasing costs of production.

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Speaker 14: And I think everything that can be done has been

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Speaker 14: done so far. It's been at let incremental changes. But

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Speaker 14: this new research program is really a step change in

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Speaker 14: productivity and it's potentially about doubling production but not compromising

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Speaker 14: on quality. And it's actually coming at a really good

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Speaker 14: time as well. We've got lots of replanting. About twenty

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Speaker 14: thousand hectares will be due to be replanted in the

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Speaker 14: next ten to twenty years. So yeah, it's really exciting.

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Speaker 3: And so in practical terms, what kind of difference does

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Speaker 3: it mean on a vineyard? What changes?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, no, good question. It's really a redesign of the

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Speaker 14: canopy management. So it's setting up the grape vine system,

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Speaker 14: the training system, and the plantings and really, as you

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Speaker 14: mentioned in the intro, enabling the vines to capture as

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Speaker 14: much sunlight as they can and encourage that sunlight to

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Speaker 14: be transformed into fruits rather than leaves or vegetative growth.

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Speaker 14: So it's a new training system. They'll be larger, they'll

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Speaker 14: be wider and higher, they'll carry more nodes, more shoots,

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Speaker 14: and you'll grow a much larger but less dense canopy.

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Speaker 3: So getting light to the right place, what does it

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Speaker 3: do to the taste of the wine.

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Speaker 14: So this is absolutely one of the criteria that it

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Speaker 14: must not compromise on taste or quality of the wine.

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Speaker 14: So it's very early early days. We're just about to

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Speaker 14: start this research in ernest but you know, we've done

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Speaker 14: a bit of pilot's work over the last year and

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Speaker 14: we're really confident that it's not going to compromise on quality.

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Speaker 3: Fantastic. Oh, sound's really interesting. Thanks Juliet. That is doctor

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Speaker 3: Julian Ansel, who is the CEO of the Brigato Institute,

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Speaker 3: New Zealand Wine Growers Research Center, twenty one past five

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Speaker 3: on news doorg z'db. If there's one thing we've learned

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Speaker 3: from the previous government's time in office, it's that if

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Speaker 3: you want to get something done, you know, you want

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Speaker 3: to get a reform or a project embedded and past

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Speaker 3: the point of no return, you have to act fast.

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Speaker 3: So the government's released its Q four Action Plan, and look,

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Speaker 3: I get it. The whole action plan thing can seem

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Speaker 3: kind of gimmicky, and even though most of the stuff

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Speaker 3: think is one of the defining qualities of this coalition government.

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Speaker 3: This government is moving fast, like really really fast. No

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Speaker 3: one can look at the list of things to do

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Speaker 3: by Christmas and honestly suggest that they are sitting on

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Speaker 3: their hands or dithering. And the main focus this time

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Speaker 3: is infrastructure. RIMA reform, the fast track approvals, funding and

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Speaker 3: financing tools for housing, road tolling decisions, the new Infrastructure Agency.

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Speaker 3: Some of these are seriously big changes, with seriously big implications,

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Speaker 3: and of course with haste, there is risk, right there

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Speaker 3: is a danger that in its urgency to get runs

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Speaker 3: on the board and to get projects underway, that bad

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Speaker 3: laws or bad policies will ultimately lead to bad outcomes.

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Speaker 3: But clearly that is a risk that this government is

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Speaker 3: willing to take. And you would have to say, reflecting

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Speaker 3: on the last six or seven years. Are harbor crossing

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Speaker 3: plans that were introduced a month or two before the election,

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Speaker 3: away plans over the Harbor Bridge that went nowhere. Auckland

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Speaker 3: light rail that was supposed to have kill a meters

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Speaker 3: of track and doesn't even have a hole in the ground,

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Speaker 3: three waters. The list goes on when you reflect over

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Speaker 3: that period and you reflect on what this government is

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Speaker 3: trying to achieve, there is much more to show for

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Speaker 3: this government's time and office than there is today for

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Speaker 3: the one that preceded it. Jack Team two ninety two

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Speaker 3: I'm regarding Auckland Tartaki Unlimited. I'm with Meya Wayne Brown

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Speaker 3: on this. I'm not convinced by the hospitality spokesman Jackwayne

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Speaker 3: Brown's white are right, those organizations are a waste of money.

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Speaker 3: The problem, I think is that it is very difficult

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Speaker 3: to assess the economic impact of these kind of events

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Speaker 3: and shows and you know cultural aspects that a lot

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Speaker 3: of these councils or council organizations fund. Right So, and

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Speaker 3: this is the same case with the Wellington Convention Center.

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Speaker 3: Right So the Convention Center itself might be running a

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Speaker 3: loss Wellington Council a narrow loss. But Wellington Council will say, okay, yes,

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Speaker 3: the building itself is running at a loss, but it's

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Speaker 3: still bringing in a million dollars an additional revenue to

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Speaker 3: the city and spending to the city. Surely that means

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Speaker 3: it's a net positive. So if these organizations or these

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Speaker 3: functions are to endure. Perhaps they need to get better

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Speaker 3: at selling that side of things. It's almost News times

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Speaker 3: five point thirty. You're a jacktame On News Talk zed B.

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Speaker 1: Jacktame cutting through the noise to get the facts. It's

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Speaker 1: jacktame On.

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Speaker 2: Hither du to cy Ellen drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 1: I'm palling on part ride in front of.

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Speaker 3: Candle News talks 'DB you with jacktame In for hither

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Speaker 3: Dolet's see Allen bit of a staush in Hastings, bit

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Speaker 3: of a stoush. It's one of those amazing classic New

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Speaker 3: Zealand stories. You know, there's always a debate over what

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Speaker 3: a town's slogan should be. Rolliston town of the Future,

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Speaker 3: you know that still divides people and Hastings've got a

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Speaker 3: new sign welcoming everyone to Hastings, but some people don't

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Speaker 3: think it's a particularly welcoming sign. I'll tell you more

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Speaker 3: about the sign and we'll get the huddle thoughts on

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Speaker 3: that very shortly, and then don't forget. After six o'clock

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Speaker 3: Finance Minister Nichola Willis will be with us right now.

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Speaker 3: It is twenty five minutes to six team and so far,

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Speaker 3: at least, the government appears unmoved by the mass outrage

1005
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Speaker 3: against the cutbacks to Dunedin's plans for its new hospital.

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Speaker 3: About thirty five thousand people march over the weekend to

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Speaker 3: protest the plans to scale back the redevelopment. But Infrastructure

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Speaker 3: Minister Chris Bishops is the project's extremely complex and it

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Speaker 3: is not as easy as just simply finding a new contractor.

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Speaker 15: We've got a way up the trade offs between going

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Speaker 15: out to market and potentially delaying there the actual start

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Speaker 15: of construction on the impatient for another long period of time.

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Speaker 3: Duaned and Mayor Jueles Raddich is with us on this.

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Speaker 3: This evening killed her. So what do you make of

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Speaker 3: the government's response.

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean the whole project's been not as easy

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Speaker 7: as anything because it's dragged on and dragged on and

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Speaker 7: it's a big part of the escalation and cost. The

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Speaker 7: name of the game is really did to get on

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Speaker 7: with it now? I mean they, you know, good contract

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Speaker 7: management with the existing contractor will be fine. We just

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Speaker 7: got to get them to build the job for the

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Speaker 7: money at hand.

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Speaker 3: Do you accept the official line on the cost blowouts

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Speaker 3: no one.

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Speaker 7: Because well they've said they've gone to three billion, but

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Speaker 7: they're including a whole lot of other things that weren't

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Speaker 7: in scope. So you know, decommissioning or refurbishing a building

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Speaker 7: for three hundred and fifty million, where did that come from?

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Speaker 7: You know, that's never been talked about until just now.

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Speaker 7: So and to put that into the cost, I mean,

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Speaker 7: the main the cost that needs to be funded right

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Speaker 7: now is the building is the construction of the in

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Speaker 7: patient's building. So it's here, ready to go. The piles

1035
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Speaker 7: are done, the plans are made, the lands are all drawn.

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Speaker 7: It's just ready to go and they just need to get.

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Speaker 6: It up into the sky.

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Speaker 3: What will be the impact for Dunedin and the region

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Speaker 3: more broadly the wider region if this doesn't go ahead,

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Speaker 3: if you don't get the full project as originally planned,

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Speaker 3: well number one people will die.

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Speaker 7: So you know, the government have blood on his hands

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Speaker 7: because you know, this hospital is needed for the level

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Speaker 7: of tertiary care that is required throughout the whole region.

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Speaker 7: This hospital will cater for the whole lower half of

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Speaker 7: the South Island and it provides the high level of

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Speaker 7: specialist care that's required in the tertiary hospital. So people

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Speaker 7: fly in on choppers from emergencies all around the region,

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Speaker 7: but also they come on ambulances and in cars to

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Speaker 7: see the specialists that we have here interned.

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Speaker 3: We've had a lot of texts over the last couple

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Speaker 3: of hours people saying, oh the protest is on the weekend.

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Speaker 3: Were all just labor supporters. They just hate this new government.

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Speaker 3: That's what it's down to. It simple politics. What do

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Speaker 3: you say to that, Well, I think it's not too

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Speaker 3: late for them to keep the promise.

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Speaker 7: I mean, this government made the promise to build the hospital,

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Speaker 7: and you know the hospital has been in the gestation

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Speaker 7: period now for fourteen years, and you know, detailed work

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Speaker 7: has been done. Five hundred clinicians collaborated and cooperated and

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Speaker 7: consulted to get it refined down to the minimum needed

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Speaker 7: for the city. And there's hardly any more beds in

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Speaker 7: this hospital than there isn't the current hospital. But it's

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Speaker 7: a lot more efficient, it's going to have a lot

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Speaker 7: better patient flow, and it's been designed for modern medicine,

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Speaker 7: so it'll be much better for people.

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Speaker 3: So, Jules, finally, what is your plan from here? What

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Speaker 3: will more protests mean? What else are you going to

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Speaker 3: do well.

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Speaker 7: First thing, we'll be sending some postcards to Minister Ready

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Speaker 7: So and the postcards will come from all around the

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Speaker 7: region because there were people from around the region that

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Speaker 7: came here to need, especially for the protest. People from

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Speaker 7: Queenstown came down especially for the day just to walk

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Speaker 7: in the march. And I don't know, I don't think

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Speaker 7: anyone was expecting the size of crowd we got.

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Speaker 17: It was enormous.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, thanks for your time. I appreciate it. That's

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Speaker 3: the need and mere jewels readit right now. It's twenty

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Speaker 3: Shane Curry ended Me's editor at Large, Gildercord is the

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Speaker 3: government on hiding to nothing with the Dunedin hospital.

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Speaker 18: Trish, There's two issues the government faces with this time

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Speaker 18: and trust. So what New Zealanders are really getting sick

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Speaker 18: of is that infrastructure just takes too long. And this

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00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 18: is another great example. We have to have several business

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Speaker 18: cases this but Duneedan Hospital has gone back and forward

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00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 18: in terms of business cases. Then we have worries about

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00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 18: spending a dollar fifty today not looking at what it's

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Speaker 18: going to cost tomorrow. Then we go back into a

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Speaker 18: redrawing of the plans. I think the people of Dunedin

1095
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 18: felt that this was a done deal. So part of

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Speaker 18: it probably is it's come as a shock and it's

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00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 18: an expectation management thing. But so the time is an

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Speaker 18: issue overall though the government is right to be focusing

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Speaker 18: on the economy, which it's doing and we've seen in

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Speaker 18: the latest plan. But trust in the health system and

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00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 18: the impact on people of a health system that is crumbling.

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Speaker 18: For me, that is probably almost now the number one

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Speaker 18: political issue. I think it's bumped off law in order

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Speaker 18: and it impacts everybody and it's kind of one of

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00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 18: the most important social contracts that a government has, you

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Speaker 18: know with voters.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think it was remarkable to see how many people

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00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 3: turned out of the weekend, given there was only a

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Speaker 3: couple of days notice. And the key thing here is

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Speaker 3: it isn't just a need, it's that whole lower third

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Speaker 3: of the South Island, right, So there are a lot

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Speaker 3: of people who are really upset and these are people

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Speaker 3: who often feel as though they are forgotten by Wellington.

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Speaker 19: Absolutely, Jack, I've just been looking at the Electric matt

1116
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Speaker 19: for the last election and you talk about that lower third,

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00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 19: and that is a very blue electorate. I know dned

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00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 19: and of course is labor, labor through and through, but

1119
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 19: everything else, but everything else around it is blue. I

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Speaker 19: mean White Tech is completely blue and Southland Kluther in Viicago.

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Speaker 19: Even the hospital will be drawing on those electorates. People

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00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 19: will be relying on that hospital for their healthcare. I

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Speaker 19: think what people tend to forget is National actually announced. Firstly,

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00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 19: this goes back to twenty seventeen. National were the ones

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Speaker 19: who actually announced the new hospital. And of course, as

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Speaker 19: the mayor has just pointed out, there's been a lot

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Speaker 19: of cost over run since then. It's gone from one

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Speaker 19: point two and now we're talking one point nine and

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Speaker 19: eventually this number which appears to have come out of

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Speaker 19: almost nowhere, the three billion number. And there's three reports

1131
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 19: that haven't been released yet and which the media are

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Speaker 19: hunting down. And there's some weird things going on, like

1133
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 19: car parks haven't been scoped in. I mean, well, I

1134
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 19: was well, I was three hundred million dollars worth of

1135
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 19: car parking not scoped into the original project. It's a

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Speaker 19: slightly strange cost that wasn't included.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think there's anywhere to square the circle?

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Speaker 18: At the moment, Truch, we seem to be back in

1139
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 18: the same kind of holding pattern in a way that

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00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 18: we are on the ferry issue now, where you get

1141
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 18: to a certain point we think something's going to happen,

1142
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 18: then there's a blowout or something's not wrong. So now

1143
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 18: we're back in that. We're sort of back in the

1144
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 18: circle of doom of going round and you know, recosting, rescoping.

1145
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 18: I don't know what the solvers. It's difficult, but I

1146
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 18: feel like when it comes down to a regional hospital,

1147
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 18: as Shane has said, the pressure on those regional but

1148
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 18: those regional hospitals right now is immense and the thought

1149
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 18: that you're now waiting and it's come down to of course,

1150
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,439
Speaker 18: this has got to come down to dollars and cents,

1151
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 18: But if I'm a voter, I also look at the

1152
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,080
Speaker 18: waste not under this government, but the money that's gone out.

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Speaker 11: In the last six years.

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Speaker 18: And then we're quibbling over I know it's a lot,

1155
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 18: but three billion dollars these days for a major hospital.

1156
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 18: I can completely feel with the people of Dunedin. And

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00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 18: it's also it's out in those regions. They are so

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00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 18: reliant on this hospital. If you get really sick, that's

1159
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 18: the place you have to go.

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Speaker 19: And I think the danger here is that the government's

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00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,480
Speaker 19: losing the narrative around people. So Christopher Luxin is very

1162
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 19: good at numbers. And are you announced today the Quarter

1163
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 19: four Coalition plan and it's got all these bullet points.

1164
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 19: It's very much a chief executive to kind of looking

1165
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 19: a document compiled by a chief executive of a corporate

1166
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 19: that you've got to remember the people. And I think

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00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 19: the amount of emotion that we saw on Saturday the

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00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 19: numbers of people hugely significant in a region that size.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, we'll be back with the huddle a

1170
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 3: couple of minutes. I'll ask you about that Q four plan,

1171
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Speaker 3: plus get your thoughts. I know you've both got strong

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00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 3: sort of aesthetic taste, so we'll get your thoughts on

1173
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,800
Speaker 3: Hastings New Side if we've got time as well. Right now,

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Speaker 3: it's sixteen to six.

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00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 2: With New Zealand Sotheby's International Realty Elevate the marketing of

1176
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 2: your home.

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Speaker 3: You're back with Thresherson and Shane Curry on the huddle

1178
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 3: this evening. All right, the Q four Action Plan has

1179
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 3: been released. It's just get your top line takes. It's

1180
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 3: mainly infrastructure kind of stuff. There's some big changes coming

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00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 3: through here, shah.

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00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 19: Yah, big changes. Estric some of them. I think, you know,

1183
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 19: the road tolling has always been an issue and I

1184
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 19: think it's a good move to consider more road tolling on. Yeah,

1185
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,560
Speaker 19: we're talking about the hospital. Why can't you really have

1186
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 19: user pays for our health system, but certainly transport, I

1187
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 19: think it's a no brainer.

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00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, top line take trick.

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Speaker 18: Big theme I thought was building the foundations for growth

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00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 18: in the economy. The right thing to be doing.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 18: These action plans are part that you know, they're part substance.

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00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 18: They have to be substance, but they are also a

1194
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 18: big part a differentiator from the previous government. It's going

1195
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 18: we're clear on what we're doing, we will report it

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00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 18: back to you, and we're all about deliverable.

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. In terms of contrast, this is

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00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,959
Speaker 3: just remarkable to me how quickly this government is moving

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Speaker 3: and there will be people who you know, take issue

1200
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 3: at some of their policy priorities and all that kind

1201
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 3: of thing. But if you look at something like this

1202
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 3: and you consider the things that are being passed Fast

1203
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 3: Track Approvals Bill, the RAMA reforms, these are really meaty

1204
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 3: bits of legislation that are potentially incredibly consequential, and I

1205
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 3: think it's really telling that they are getting this stuff

1206
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 3: done in the first you know, fourteen months or so

1207
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 3: of their term. I mean, just if you want to

1208
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 3: make enduring change, this is the right way to go

1209
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 3: about it.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, and don't forget. So the difference here is not

1211
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 18: what we saw often under Labor. It was a series

1212
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 18: of press release headlines that didn't seem to be part

1213
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 18: of a cohesive plan. This is wrapped up in a

1214
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 18: cohesive plan. But things like these RIMA reforms focusing in

1215
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 18: on making it easier to get stuff done in New Zealand.

1216
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 18: That has been something people have talked about for years

1217
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 18: and if you're really getting to the issues of driving

1218
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 18: growth in New Zealand, it's fundamental. So it looks like

1219
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 18: it's the right things to be focused on, But there

1220
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 18: are still a lot of distractions out there that you know,

1221
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 18: I think the government shouldn't be focused.

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Speaker 3: On Shane the Hacker last night. We broke the world record.

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Speaker 19: We broke the world record. I was privileged enough to be,

1224
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 19: you know, a privilege to be there last night, and

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01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 19: we were just talking off here, but con and O'Brien,

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Speaker 19: the US talk show host, was front and center with

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Speaker 19: Tigaway tit at the front, and yeah, it was a

1228
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Speaker 19: brilliant night. You know, it was very emotional actually, and

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Speaker 19: I was surprised that just how emotional I did get

1230
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 19: about it, because yeah, you know, it was very powerful night.

1231
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Speaker 19: There was some amazing performances on stage beforehand, and six

1232
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 19: one hundred odd people and the Guinness Book a record guy.

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Speaker 19: He was taking it extremely seriously. I thought, up until

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01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 19: I actually arrived at the venue, I thought this was

1235
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 19: a big pr move kind of yeah, but he was

1236
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 19: laying out the rules.

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Speaker 3: Really, he sent it very much. So okay, yeah, what

1238
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 3: did you think of the trash?

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Speaker 18: While I was in tears watching it at home? Mind you,

1240
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 18: the Hacker always does that to me. But I also

1241
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 18: thought it was a very powerful and useful symbol for

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Speaker 18: New Zealand at the moment, about our New Zealanders and

1243
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Speaker 18: what we actually love about being New Zealanders and I

1244
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 18: loved it when you panned through that crowd. There were

1245
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 18: people there from all walks of life, kids, old people.

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01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,200
Speaker 18: I thought it was really fantastic. Even talking about it,

1247
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 18: I've got, you know, hairs on the back of my

1248
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Speaker 18: next standing out Well.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of powerful an emotive symbols, Hastings has a new

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01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 3: sign entering welcoming everyone on the expressway just south of Taradale. Now,

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01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 3: if you haven't seen it, it's it's gray, which I

1252
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 3: think is an interesting choice of color. But it's gray

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Speaker 3: and it's a big h basically, and it just says no,

1254
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 3: my welcome headed tongue, Hastings. It does have a sort

1255
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 3: of a vibe of like an art class in fifth

1256
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 3: form and you might get it achieved. You're not going

1257
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Speaker 3: to fail that, you're not going to excel, Shane, what

1258
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 3: are you?

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Speaker 19: It's pretty well it's not going to be up there

1260
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 19: in the echelons of the kind of alum pea bottle

1261
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 19: or the Harkney carrot. But look, it's it's a point

1262
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 19: that's I love that citizen journalism now is so powerful

1263
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 19: that one person can complain and it's made headlines across

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01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 19: the country.

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Speaker 3: I think something about like the signs or slogans for

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01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 3: towns and cities in regional New Zealand that I think

1267
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 3: really gets people going. You one's always got an opinion.

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01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 3: Remember like Hamilton, remember the debate over Hamilton.

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Speaker 18: Hamiltron city of the Future. I thought that I in

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01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 18: my mind, I.

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Speaker 3: Was Roles in the future, the town of the future.

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Speaker 18: Town signage is maybe because I've driven around regional New

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Speaker 18: Zealand a lot. Is one of my weird fascinations and

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Speaker 18: one that always sticks out to me is to talking

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Speaker 18: as you go in there there's a lot of wood

1276
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 18: and you know, took to talking.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you know what, It'd be a great coffee table book,

1278
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 3: wouldn't it idea for us?

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Speaker 19: You know, just for there is one I won't recall

1280
01:03:03,080 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 19: the name of it, but it does take an It

1281
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 19: punches down on some of the listener in towns of

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Speaker 19: New Zealand which you might know about that there have

1283
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Speaker 19: been some good ones and absolutely positively willing to when

1284
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 19: Mark Plumpski's true and Frank Wilder, you know and charged

1285
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 19: down in Wellington that actually did unify the city and

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Speaker 19: I think Auckland's probably missing something like that and.

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Speaker 18: Somehow comforting on those signs. You know, you get the

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01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 18: badges like the Lions Club. I feel comforted when I see, oh,

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01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 18: there's a Lions Club in town. Will be okay, there'll

1290
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Speaker 18: be a Christmas raffle.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thanks you TI guys. I appreciate it. Trecious and

1292
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Speaker 3: Shane Curry on the huddle this evening. It's eight to

1293
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Speaker 3: six on.

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Speaker 2: Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in your

1295
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 2: car on your drive home. Heather Dupleice allan drive with

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Speaker 2: one New Zealand one giant leap for business news talk'd

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Speaker 2: be news talks.

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Speaker 3: He'd be five to six. Thank you for your feedback.

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Speaker 3: We have had so many messages regarding toll roads, Jack,

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Speaker 3: we don't need to bankrupt commercial drivers and denialdinary keywis

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Speaker 3: from avoiding these roads, which is also detrimental to the

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Speaker 3: regions as they are potential consumers when it comes to

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Speaker 3: promoting revenue through small businesses. Done right, tolls could be

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Speaker 3: okay at the moment, though I'm not convinced. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: think it's I was surprised personally by the level of

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Speaker 3: pushback to suggestions that some parts of regional New Zealand

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Speaker 3: might be told. I mean the pushback around the hot

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Speaker 3: of Fena one or two region is really extraordinary. People

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Speaker 3: are really really concerned and upset about the prospect of

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Speaker 3: facing new toll roads there. Jack Dunedin Hospital. The real

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Speaker 3: issue is not projects coming in over budget. It's that

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Speaker 3: the companies underpriced the job in the first place in

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Speaker 3: order to get the government's approval to start. Then they

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Speaker 3: escalate it using tricky contracts. I'm a quantity surveyor. I've

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Speaker 3: seen this game playing out for thirty years plus. As

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Speaker 3: far as I'm concerned, as lez, it is time for

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Speaker 3: the government to stamp this out. Yeah, that is interesting.

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Speaker 3: I mean it is certainly not the first time we

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Speaker 3: have experienced a phenomenon like this when it comes to

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Speaker 3: a major infrastructure project blowing out. Interesting though that those

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Speaker 3: three reports that suggest the overall cost for Dunedin Hospital

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Speaker 3: could be above three billion dollars have not yet been released.

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Speaker 3: So maybe once those reports are released, and might have

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Speaker 3: to be done through the Official Information Act, I think

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Speaker 3: the government says they're going to look at proactively releasing

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Speaker 3: some of those reports as well. Once those reports are released,

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Speaker 3: we might have a bit of a better grip on

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Speaker 3: the scale of the problem. Tell you what, though, if

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Speaker 3: the weekend's protest has anything to go by, I think

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Speaker 3: anything short of the original plan is going to be

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Speaker 3: met with massive resistance in the lower part of the

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Speaker 3: South Island. After six o'clock on news Stork ZB, we

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Speaker 3: will ask the Finance Minister about that. Nikola Willis is

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Speaker 3: going to be with us for her weekly catch up

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Speaker 3: as well as that we will catch up with the

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Speaker 3: CEO of Sinley. So Sinley keeping a brave face for

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Speaker 3: the time being despite reporting a massive loss for the

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Speaker 3: year to July. So the four four year results show

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Speaker 3: a one hundred and eighty two million dollar loss. Debt

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Speaker 3: is up to thirty three percent to a tick over

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Speaker 3: half a billion dollars. So we'll catch up with Sinley's

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Speaker 3: CEO as well. If you want to get in, touched

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Speaker 3: ninety two ninety two for text number, you know the

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Speaker 3: email as well. It's almost six o'clock. I'm Jack Tame

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Speaker 3: in for Heather. This is Newstalk's EDB.

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Speaker 2: If we have Business means Insight the Business Hour with

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Speaker 2: Jack tame and my Hr on news DOORGSB.

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Speaker 3: You're with Jack tam In for Heather to p clen

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Speaker 3: this week. It's kind of musical chairs on Newstalk's EDB

1350
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Speaker 3: She's in for Hosking. In the mornings, I'm on drive

1351
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Speaker 3: and before seven o'clock this evening, we're going to catch

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Speaker 3: up with the CEO of Sinley that have just reported

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Speaker 3: their four year results to the end of July showing

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Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty two million dollar loss. What is

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Speaker 3: it down to? What's plan from here? CEO Grant Watson

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Speaker 3: is going to be with us shortly tell you what though.

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Speaker 3: It was a pretty remarkable speech from Treasury's Chief Economic

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Speaker 3: Advisor Dominic Stevens last week in which he said that quote,

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Speaker 3: the speed and size of the cuts to the per

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Speaker 3: person level of government spending over the next few years

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Speaker 3: in order to return the government to surplus in twenty

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Speaker 3: seven twenty eight will be generally unprecedented in modern times.

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Speaker 3: It's time for our weekly catch up with Finance Minister

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Speaker 3: Nichola Willis, who's with us ace evening.

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Speaker 20: Killed her Cura Jack.

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Speaker 10: Is he right?

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Speaker 20: Well? What the context here is is an extraordinary, unprecedented

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Speaker 20: increase in spending in recent times. And that's very important

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Speaker 20: to remember because if you look at the long run

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Speaker 20: graph where we are looking to get spending back to

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Speaker 20: is actually a little bit above the long run average.

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Speaker 20: But what's happened in recent times is an extraordinary increase

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Speaker 20: in government spending, up seventy six percent in just six years.

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Speaker 20: And now what we're doing is trying to bring it

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Speaker 20: back to a normal rate of around thirty percent of

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Speaker 20: our overall economic size. So yeah, we went through some

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Speaker 20: crazy times after COVID. Then the government pumped up spending

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Speaker 20: and didn't take the e if it needed to get

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Speaker 20: it back into normal levels. We're doing that work now,

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Speaker 20: So is he right? Well, I think the point that

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Speaker 20: I'm making is that when you have an extraordinary amount

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Speaker 20: of increase in spending, yes, you then need to bring

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Speaker 20: it back down. And yes, we're having to do that

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Speaker 20: in a way that you haven't seen on the grassy presenter.

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Speaker 3: So just I totally understand your point here. You're saying,

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Speaker 3: because of the increase in spending over time, you're going

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Speaker 3: to have to go through make some tough decisions that

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Speaker 3: are unprecedented. But the words he used, well, no, I

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Speaker 3: don't think.

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Speaker 20: I don't think the tough decisions are unprecedented. The point is,

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Speaker 20: when you have such extraordinary increase in spending to such

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Speaker 20: a high level of our economy now bringing it back

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Speaker 20: to more of a normal level is a big change,

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Speaker 20: but only because there's been a big spike in the

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Speaker 20: first place.

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Speaker 3: Yes, nin I understand that. I mean it was pretty

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Speaker 3: bleak to see it going from the Treasury Gief Economic Advisor.

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Speaker 3: I suppose that's the difference here. How you talk to

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Speaker 3: us about Dunedin?

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Speaker 1: What was it like?

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Speaker 3: I mean, did you expect a response like we saw

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Speaker 3: at the weekend thirty five thousand people taking to the streets.

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Speaker 20: Oh, look, I get it. The people of Dunedin want

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01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 20: the a new hospital and they are going to get

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Speaker 20: the new hospital. But look, the context here is that

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Speaker 20: any government that was elected this time would have been

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Speaker 20: having to make these difficult decisions because the project we

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Speaker 20: inherited was in a complete mess. We've already agreed to

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Speaker 20: contribute three hundred million dollars more in funding on top

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Speaker 20: of what already had been put to one side by

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Speaker 20: the last government. So we're committed to this project. We're

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Speaker 20: going to fund this project, but we have to keep

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Speaker 20: it within a budget, and its history over the past

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Speaker 20: several years is that it has never been kept to

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Speaker 20: a budget. There's been massive blowouts and we can't let

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Speaker 20: that keep going because we also have a responsibility to

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Speaker 20: the people of Fungada, of Nelson, of Torona, of all

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Speaker 20: the other centers around the country who also need an

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Speaker 20: upgrade to their hospital. So we have to get better

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Speaker 20: at delivering these projects with good value for money and

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Speaker 20: on budget.

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Speaker 3: Why does pairing back the plans in Dunedin in order

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Speaker 3: to meet the budget trey constraints? Why does that mean

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Speaker 3: that you'll be able to continue with plans and funged a.

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Speaker 3: You know, why couldn't you.

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Speaker 6: Do an and and well?

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Speaker 20: Simply because every dollar that we spend extra on dned

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Speaker 20: and above its budget is a dollar that's not available

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Speaker 20: for those other hospital projects around the country. And money

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Speaker 20: is finance. Jack, I've been looking for that tree down

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Speaker 20: the end of the garden with the money growing on it.

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Speaker 20: It doesn't exist. We don't have the joy that the

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Speaker 20: Aussies do of digging it out of the ground on

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Speaker 20: the daily, and so we do need to be careful

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Speaker 20: about how we spend the money we do have. Hospitals

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Speaker 20: are a great thing to spend money on. We're going

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Speaker 20: to be spending a huge amount on hospitals. We agree

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Speaker 20: with that, but we also have to get good at

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Speaker 20: delivering them with value for funey.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that if you hadn't made those tax

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Speaker 3: changes to landlords and interest deductibility, that three billion dollars

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Speaker 3: over four years, that that could have gone to pay

1443
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 3: for the full the needing project plus all of those

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Speaker 3: other regional hospitals.

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Speaker 20: No, because those changes were made in the context of

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Speaker 20: a tax package that also took spending away from other areas.

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Speaker 20: It was also a tax package that delivered significant tax

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Speaker 20: relief to working people. And we did a campaign.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know you in campaign.

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Speaker 6: I look at it.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, the way I look at it is this, we

1452
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:46,720
Speaker 20: made a commitment that we would be restoring interest deductibility,

1453
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 20: treating rental properties as we treat other assets, and we've

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01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 20: kept that commitment. It was also a commitment that was

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Speaker 20: pretty upfront in our coalition agreements, and we kept that commitment.

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Speaker 20: And look, I'm pleased to see that went's our stable

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Speaker 20: across the country. That's one of the things we set

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Speaker 20: out to have happened.

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Speaker 3: Do you think, in the eyes of the people protesting

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Speaker 3: at the weekend, you also made a commitment to make

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Speaker 3: the Denedan Hospital as planned.

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Speaker 20: Well, yes, we did, and as I say, not only

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Speaker 20: have we kept the funding for it, but when we

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Speaker 20: took the lid off the hood. When we took the

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Speaker 20: hood off, we found that it had completely blown out

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Speaker 20: in price, something we didn't know in opposition. In opposition

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Speaker 20: we said, look, we're prepared to spend up to thirty

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Speaker 20: million more on top of what Labor is. Turns out

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Speaker 20: we're spending ten times more than that, three hundred million

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Speaker 20: more than Labor had been planning. So this is really

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Speaker 20: a case of you're in opposition, you think everything's going

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Speaker 20: along smoothly. We get into government, we open this project

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Speaker 20: up and we see problem after problem. And as I

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Speaker 20: said at the beginning, sincerely believe that if a Labor

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Speaker 20: government had been elected, they would have been faced with

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01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 20: the same choice we face, which is either front up

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Speaker 20: to the people of DNED and be honest, or continue

1478
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:58,680
Speaker 20: to let the budget blow out again and again and

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01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 20: again such that it eats the entire health infrastructure budget

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Speaker 20: and robs from other regions.

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Speaker 3: The working from home slash working from the office instruction.

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Speaker 3: I mean, my read of it wasn't actually that every

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Speaker 3: single person in the public service has to be in

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Speaker 3: the office from nine to five, every single day that

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Speaker 3: you just have to come to an agreement with your

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Speaker 3: employer and that productivity shouldn't be affected. But it's interesting

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Speaker 3: looking at some of the response to that. Can you

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01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 3: just be clear with us, is your directive there one

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Speaker 3: that's driven through productivity or one that's driven through simply

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Speaker 3: trying to prop up some of those CBD.

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Speaker 20: Businesses all about productivity and performance. And as you say,

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Speaker 20: this isn't an absolute position, it's just about a pendulum

1493
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 20: that's swung a long way one way and bringing a

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Speaker 20: bit back into the middle. By law, every employee you

1495
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Speaker 20: will continue to have the right to ask for a

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Speaker 20: flexible working arrangement, and government sector employers will be required

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Speaker 20: to consider that arrangement. The point we're simply making is

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Speaker 20: let's be a bit more purposeful about these arrangements, ensuring

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Speaker 20: that we've we weighed up the impact they can have

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Speaker 20: on the team and making sure that we're getting the

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Speaker 20: balance right. And that's actually what employers across the private

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01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 20: sector and non government sector have been doing, and we

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01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:13,719
Speaker 20: just think the public sector should take the same approach.

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Speaker 3: And finally, what do you think Antonia Watson doesn't understand

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01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:17,759
Speaker 3: about a CGT.

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01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 20: Well, look, I haven't talked to her about a CGT

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01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 20: so she could, but Footbot she could have a very

1508
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:26,599
Speaker 20: good understanding of it. For all I know, New Zealand

1509
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 20: has choices about how it proceeds economically and the view

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Speaker 20: our government has taken as our focus needs to be

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Speaker 20: on encouraging investment and productivity, enhancing assets, encouraging firms and

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Speaker 20: small businesses to innovate, to employ people to grow. And

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Speaker 20: we don't think the way to get out of a

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Speaker 20: recession is to threaten people with a new tax.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for your tome. We appreciate it. It's fun.

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Speaker 3: Minister Nicola willis with us this evening. If you want

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Speaker 3: to look as a text easy way to do it,

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Speaker 3: it's just text nine to two nine two. Don't forget

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Speaker 3: the standard text costs apply Right now past six.

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Speaker 2: Crunching the numbers and getting the results. It's heather due

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Speaker 2: for Sea Ellen with the business hours thanks to my HR,

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Speaker 2: the HR platform for on News Talks.

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Speaker 3: EDB eighteen five sixty with Jack Daimen on News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 3: And there may be some hope coming from the Chinese economy.

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Speaker 3: Last week, authorities there announced a range of monetary and

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Speaker 3: fiscal stimulus policies to try and get the massive economy

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Speaker 3: moving again. So what do we see and what might

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Speaker 3: it mean for New Zealand harbor asset management. Shane Solly

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Speaker 3: has been looking into this for us this evening Keilder

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Speaker 3: Shane Jack So just do you good things.

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Speaker 18: Just talk to us.

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Speaker 3: First of all, a bit about what the Chinese have

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Speaker 3: actually done.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so the most out of last Tuesday when we

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Speaker 6: saw cuts to official interest rates. Much like other central banks,

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Speaker 6: they have cut the cost of borrowing and they also

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Speaker 6: use mortgage availab body. This came out of the People's

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Speaker 6: Bank of China. Remember, they've been battling a presidential property

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Speaker 6: market the last probably decade. They've got out of control

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Speaker 6: and we're coming through the other side of it, so

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Speaker 6: now they're trying years up. A bit interesting that that

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Speaker 6: was backed up later and by the week by the

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Speaker 6: polop Uu, which is the main policy making organization of

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Speaker 6: the Chinese government. They came out with a bunch of

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Speaker 6: announcements also aiming at stabilizing housing, supporting consumption. And really

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Speaker 6: it was a bit unexpected, you know, really this new

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Speaker 6: found sense of urgency. But not only that, then it

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Speaker 6: was backed up by some of the local government authorities

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Speaker 6: announcing and easing up and home ownership policies that really

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Speaker 6: sort of let people go and buy homes again. There's

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Speaker 6: more to competential jack and there's a bit of speculation

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Speaker 6: that there's some more fiscal stimulus, particularly propping up some

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Speaker 6: of the banks giving them some more capital. Certainly, that's

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Speaker 6: got people were excited. I saw the Chinese shoar market

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Speaker 6: up almost sixteen percent last week, and even today it's

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Speaker 6: up six point seven percent. So another big day in

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Speaker 6: the Chinese shaar market.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's huge. So what has been the broader

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Speaker 3: global reaction to it?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? So soonly markets are still a little bit cautious.

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Speaker 6: A lot of detail to come out, but we have

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Speaker 6: seen a bit of a pop and anything that's China related,

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Speaker 6: and certainly we've seen the resource stocks do quite well

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Speaker 6: and closer to home, you know, it is supportive for

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Speaker 6: our commodity exports. So if we do see Chinese consumers

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Speaker 6: getting a bit optimistic, it's helpful for a new zone

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Speaker 6: produce helpful in his own travel. One interesting one for

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Speaker 6: certain the dairy industry is there's been a nuts another

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Speaker 6: monthly child allowance for second children and it's quite chunky

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Speaker 6: if you're a Chinese family, up to potentially eight hundred

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Speaker 6: remember per month per child, So that is relative to

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Speaker 6: average person earning fifteen thousand and one a year. If

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Speaker 6: you're in a second tier city, that's big.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that's huge.

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Speaker 7: Jay.

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Speaker 3: So what about New Zealand how might these changes in

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Speaker 3: the stimulus impact us?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think we certainly see it come through. Our

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Speaker 6: dairy sector should do better into this, but it's quite

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Speaker 6: a broad range of activities that will benefit. Depends a

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Speaker 6: little bit on where and how fast the policies come through,

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Speaker 6: but I think needed. So wind for New Zeon definitely

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Speaker 6: a win for Australia and by second derivative works of

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Speaker 6: Wind for New Zealand. Australia obviously still a big one

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Speaker 6: of the big trading partners of China's huge Australia, huge

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Speaker 6: net net.

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Speaker 3: Positive back home. Fonterra has got a new strategy.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Look, they've undertaken quite in depth review. They've come

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Speaker 6: out and said, look, we're really good at business to

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Speaker 6: business theory nutrition and so as a result they're going

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Speaker 6: to focus back on this high performing ingredients food service

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Speaker 6: and looking to divest some of its global consumer businesses.

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Speaker 6: So what does it mean. It may create a better

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Speaker 6: path to value creation. So for Terra they've come out

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Speaker 6: and a doubt some higher financial targets, higher reternal capital

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Speaker 6: and a different dividend policy which is an increase in dividend.

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Speaker 6: So for farmers and for investors in the Fonterra share

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Speaker 6: funds might see data returns in the future.

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Speaker 3: It's not all positive in the dairy sector. There simles

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Speaker 3: results throughout today and they're not great.

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Speaker 6: No, Fortunately, they are still going through some tough times.

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Speaker 6: They came out and announced their financial year twenty twenty

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Speaker 6: four result. The earnings before interest, tax, appreciation and amortization

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Speaker 6: bit of a mouthful, I'm sorry, that was at forty

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Speaker 6: five mil down from seventy five million last year on

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Speaker 6: lower ingredients consumer gross profits. One of the things they

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Speaker 6: have done though, they've they've added an increased one off

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Speaker 6: payment to South Island farmers who remain with Sinilay, the

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Speaker 6: biggest ship of sin They's trying to retain them. People

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Speaker 6: are a bit weary, so they've decided to have another

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Speaker 6: twenty cents per kilogram of milk solids to the mix

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Speaker 6: to try and retain those farmers. But unfortunately Sinlay didn't

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Speaker 6: provide any financial year twenty five guidance and didn't talk

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Speaker 6: about volumes, didn't talk about anything, So it was a

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Speaker 6: pretty tough day for Cinlay.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for your time, Jane really appreciate it. Shames

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Speaker 3: from Asset Management, thank you for your feedback as well,

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Speaker 3: Jack Nicola will are so efficient when it comes down

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01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 3: to it and to need and it's not the choice

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Speaker 3: that anyone wants. But the truth is that she inherited

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Speaker 3: a real mess. Jack so refreshing to say. A leader

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Speaker 3: and team with common sense when it comes round to

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Speaker 3: spending and budgeting, says Dane, Labor would not have had

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Speaker 3: needed to make the same decision regarding to Needen Hospital.

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Speaker 3: Someone says on the text as Labor wouldn't have spent

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Speaker 3: billions on virtue signaling tax cuts and tax breaks for

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Speaker 3: the wealthy. I mean, this is one of the things

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Speaker 3: that I think the people in need will focus on.

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Speaker 3: I mean, every every dollar spent or not spent as

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Speaker 3: a choice, but every dollar that may or may not

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Speaker 3: be brought in through a tax change is also a

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Speaker 3: choice as well. So you know, yeah, I don't think

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Speaker 3: this issue is going to go away anytime soon. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: if you want to flick the text, you can do so.

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Speaker 3: Ninety two ninety two is the text number. It's twenty

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Speaker 3: three past six.

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Speaker 2: Squnching the numbers and getting the results is Jack Team

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Speaker 2: with the Business Hour. Thanks to my HR, the HR

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Speaker 2: solution for busy Smmy's on news talks it be.

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Speaker 3: Those are the first bit of good news that those

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Speaker 3: stranded astronauts up on the International Space Station have had

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01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 3: in a wee while the SpaceX Dragon capsule that is

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01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:01,639
Speaker 3: going to be bringing them home has successfully docked after

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Speaker 3: docking at the ISS. So you'll remember, of course, that

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Speaker 3: Butch Wilmore and Sonny Williams flew up to the International

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Speaker 3: Space Station for what they thought was going to be

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Speaker 3: an eight day mission on the new Boeing star Liner capsule. However,

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Speaker 3: once it got up there, there were some issues with

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Speaker 3: the capsule. In the end, the Boeing people and the

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Speaker 3: NASA people had a bit of a face off. The

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Speaker 3: NASA people ultimately won. They said, no, we're going to

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Speaker 3: send the star Liner back to Earth. We're going to

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01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:32,719
Speaker 3: leave Butch and Sonny up on the ISS. Now they'd

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01:21:32,720 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 3: been going for eight days. They were going to have

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01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:36,600
Speaker 3: to start up there for months. The good news is

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Speaker 3: they sent some resupplies, so they're no longer borrowing people's

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01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 3: clothes and up on the iss they have enough food

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Speaker 3: to last them forever. Apparently it's all comes in packets

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01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 3: and that kind of thing. Anyway, even though the Dragon

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Speaker 3: capsule has arrived, they've still got a bit of a

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01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 3: weight on their heads. It's pretty amazing. They left in June.

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Speaker 3: They're going to be returning to Earth in February, so

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Speaker 3: you'd really have to hope that you'd loaded some stuff

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Speaker 3: onto your net Flix account users next.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics.

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Speaker 2: It's all on The Business Hour with Jack tam and

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Speaker 2: my HR The HR Solution for Busy SMEs News, Talks

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Speaker 3: News Talks V with Jack Tame and for Heather Jack,

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Speaker 3: Good evening. I feel sorry for the astronauts. You got

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01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:35,000
Speaker 3: to say, eight months is a hell of a lot

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Speaker 3: of an extension, even if you enjoy being in space.

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01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 3: But hey, just think of the overtime pay and at

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01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:41,719
Speaker 3: the end of the day, there isn't much to spend

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01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 3: your money on up there. That's true. Eight months, though,

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Speaker 3: is an awfully long time, Thank you for that ninety

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Speaker 3: two ninety twif you want to flick us a text,

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Speaker 3: our Austria is far right. Freedom Party has recorded an

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Speaker 3: extraordinary victory, and obviously there's been some concern across European

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Speaker 3: nations about the rise of far right parties over the

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Speaker 3: last couple of years. This really draws a line in

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Speaker 3: the sand though, in terms of what these parties have achieved.

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01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:10,639
Speaker 3: So the Freedom Party, which is run by this guy

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Speaker 3: called Herbert Kikel, one just under thirty percent of the

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Speaker 3: vote according to the provisional results in Austria. We're going

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Speaker 3: to tell you what that means for Austria, what it

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01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 3: means for Europe when our europe correspondent joins us before

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Speaker 3: seven o'clock this evening right now though it is twenty

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Speaker 3: four minutes to seven, team and Sinley's putting on a

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01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 3: brave face despite reporting a big loss for the year

1691
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Speaker 3: to July. So the company's full year results show a

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Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty one point one hundred and eighty

1693
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Speaker 3: two point one million dollar loss and debt up thirty

1694
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Speaker 3: three percent to just over five hundred and fifty million dollars.

1695
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 3: But Sinley says it is optimistic especially after shehearholders approved

1696
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 3: a more than two hundred million dollar capital raised to

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Speaker 3: restore its balance sheet. CEO Grant Watson is with us

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Speaker 3: this evening, Hi Grant Cure to Jack good Edmon, Why

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Speaker 3: has it been such a time?

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 17: Look, a combination of factors. The first is an impairment

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Speaker 17: of one hundred and fifteen million dollars and that speaks

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01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:12,639
Speaker 17: to our very underutilized assets in the North Island. Secondly,

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Speaker 17: trading has been very, very challenging on a number of fronts.

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Speaker 17: And thirdly, we've been sitting on too much debt and

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Speaker 17: then off the back of that, the financing costs have

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Speaker 17: been very, very high.

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Speaker 3: What are those trading challenges?

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Speaker 17: Trading challenges for US range from lower demand, lower pricing,

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Speaker 17: the way that we operate our ingredients contracts. There's a

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Speaker 17: lag and in the back end of Y twenty four

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Speaker 17: that generated some quite negative profitability for US foreign exchange

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Speaker 17: and less favorable product mix.

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Speaker 3: Are those conditions turning around it all? Do you have

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Speaker 3: reason for optimism on the trading front?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we certainly do.

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Speaker 17: We've started twenty five off on a really good footing,

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Speaker 17: and if we look at each of those areas, all

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Speaker 17: of them are moving far more in favor for us,

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Speaker 17: and twenty five twenty four was a year of headwinds.

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Speaker 17: Are twenty five heading into that it's looking more like

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Speaker 17: tailwinds on balance.

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Speaker 3: No, that's good to hear. So talk us through the

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01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 3: one off payments to South Island farmers. What is the

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Speaker 3: purpose of that.

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Speaker 17: So effectively our farmers have said to us we want

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Speaker 17: to stay with Sinlay, give us a reason to stay.

1728
01:25:25,680 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 17: Sort out your balance sheet, we've done that. Sort out

1729
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:32,480
Speaker 17: your advance rates, we've done that. The twenty cent incentive

1730
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 17: is to effectively sure up their supply. A number of

1731
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:40,040
Speaker 17: our farmers have cease noticism which have a two year

1732
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:44,559
Speaker 17: period and we've effectively got those two years to convince

1733
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 17: them to stay. So rather than wait for two years,

1734
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 17: it's offering that twenty cents up, bringing it forward and

1735
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:55,160
Speaker 17: knowing that we've got a certainty around milk supply moving forward.

1736
01:25:55,200 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 3: So sorry, just just explain that to me. So the

1737
01:25:57,080 --> 01:25:59,720
Speaker 3: cease node is basically that you haven't locked in for

1738
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 3: two years and if they want to leave sin Lay,

1739
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 3: they've got to give you two years notice and you

1740
01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 3: can use that two years to try and convince them

1741
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 3: to stay. As at how it.

1742
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:11,200
Speaker 17: Yeah, that's exactly right, that's exactly right. So we've got

1743
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:13,680
Speaker 17: some with only a year to run, some with two

1744
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:16,719
Speaker 17: years to run. We want to reverse those cease notices.

1745
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 17: Know that we've got that milk supply lockdown. And the

1746
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:22,679
Speaker 17: feedback we've had from our farmers is a twenty cent

1747
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 17: per kilogram of milk solids is a really good incentive

1748
01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 17: and the feedback we've had today has been very very

1749
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 17: positive in that regard.

1750
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:30,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, talk to us about the feedback today.

1751
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 6: Oh look, look, I.

1752
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 17: Mean we've just paid out seven eighty three as a

1753
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 17: market farmgate milk price. We're paying on average and extra

1754
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 17: twenty eight cents per kilogram. This is the icing on

1755
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:47,120
Speaker 17: the top. This is enough of an incentive for them

1756
01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 17: to withdraw draw that notice, and so off the back

1757
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:52,680
Speaker 17: of that, it's been very very positive feedback from our

1758
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 17: farmer and.

1759
01:26:53,439 --> 01:26:55,760
Speaker 3: So I appreciate its early days. You've only had a

1760
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 3: few hours to digest this. But what percentage of farmers

1761
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 3: that have seen notices in place have already said that

1762
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:04,080
Speaker 3: they will remove those seas notices?

1763
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 17: Oh look, it's very early days. We've got our field

1764
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 17: teams out working with farmers at the moment, getting a

1765
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,280
Speaker 17: sense of their plans, getting those commitments locked in so

1766
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 17: literally it was released this morning. They've got them till

1767
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 17: the end of May twenty twenty five. But the feedback,

1768
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 17: the sentiment coming back is extremely favorable.

1769
01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 3: So what do you think, And again, I know it's

1770
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:29,720
Speaker 3: early days, but what would extremely favorable mean that eighty

1771
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 3: percent of those who've got the seas notices at the

1772
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 3: moment would withdraw them? Or is there another figure you've

1773
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 3: kind of gotten your mind.

1774
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 17: Yeah, we're targeting one hundred. Clearly, if we land at

1775
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 17: something close to ninety percent, that would work very very

1776
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 17: well for our business model.

1777
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 3: How many farmers had the sea's notices in place?

1778
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:51,479
Speaker 17: We haven't disclosed the exact amount, but it's comfortably north

1779
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:52,280
Speaker 17: of fifty percent.

1780
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 3: Right, that's a big number.

1781
01:27:54,360 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 17: A it's a big chunk, it's a big check.

1782
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And so what do you put that down to?

1783
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:01,680
Speaker 3: What do you put they're dissatisfaction down to?

1784
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 17: Up to this point, Oh, I've known that we've been

1785
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 17: very leveraged in terms of our balance sheet for the

1786
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:13,120
Speaker 17: season twenty three twenty four, we didn't keep up with

1787
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:16,200
Speaker 17: the market advance. Right, So when I say advanced. Right,

1788
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 17: that's effectively the cash flow profile during the season. To

1789
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:23,360
Speaker 17: our farmers, we were behind the eight ball there. Both

1790
01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 17: of those things are unacceptable to our farmers. We accept that,

1791
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:32,040
Speaker 17: and that's exactly why we've addressed that. We've listened to them,

1792
01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:34,599
Speaker 17: and we've added this additional twenty cents into the mix.

1793
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:38,599
Speaker 3: So acknowledging that you've had really good feedback that farmers

1794
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:40,599
Speaker 3: say that, yeah, we had the season notice in place,

1795
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:42,160
Speaker 3: but we're going to be we're going to be ending that,

1796
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:44,599
Speaker 3: and that you think that ninety percent of farmers who

1797
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:47,160
Speaker 3: have those notices in place are likely to stick with

1798
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:51,040
Speaker 3: some Well, what would have been the impact if they hadn't,

1799
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 3: Just on the impact on the business, do you think, oh.

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01:28:54,120 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 17: Look, it would be quite devastating to the business. We

1801
01:28:56,880 --> 01:29:02,080
Speaker 17: were a dairy company with our good supply coming off

1802
01:29:02,160 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 17: the farms and onto our process and facilities. We're very

1803
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 17: limited as to the business we can operate, so it

1804
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:09,799
Speaker 17: would have been devastating.

1805
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So give us a bit of a picture

1806
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:15,439
Speaker 3: for the next twelve months or so. If we're having

1807
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 3: this conversation twelve months from now, what do you think

1808
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 3: you'd be saying.

1809
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 17: Yeah, there's three curios for us in the next twelve months.

1810
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 17: We've deleveraged the balance sheet and we need to continue

1811
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 17: to deleverage the balance sheet. We need to address profitability

1812
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 17: and it's primarily a function of lifting up our training

1813
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 17: volumes and reducing expenses, and we've got a very very

1814
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:39,400
Speaker 17: clear plan in place that we've started the year well.

1815
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:41,639
Speaker 17: And thirdly, just making sure that we retain that milk

1816
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:42,559
Speaker 17: supply with our farmers.

1817
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic, Hey, thanks so much for your time. Really

1818
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 3: appreciate it. Gran that is Grant Watton, who is the

1819
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:54,240
Speaker 3: CEO of Sinlay Hassandras's Jack astronauts. They could rewrite and

1820
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:57,720
Speaker 3: record six months in a leaky boat. That's true, didn't it.

1821
01:29:57,880 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 3: What's his name, Chris? I can't remember the name of

1822
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 3: the s Chris whatever his name was used to have

1823
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 3: a guitar up on the International Space Station. I'm not

1824
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 3: sure if that's still knocking around. You know that there

1825
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 3: has a ridiculous reason for sending it up there to

1826
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 3: see if the strings would operate the same in a

1827
01:30:11,160 --> 01:30:14,719
Speaker 3: low gravity environment or something like that. Angus is Jack.

1828
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:18,040
Speaker 3: I wonder if the astronauts will take the work from

1829
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:21,599
Speaker 3: home option next time. If that was available to them. Yes,

1830
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:23,160
Speaker 3: you see, you see, this is the thing I think

1831
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:25,599
Speaker 3: if I actually think a lot of people misread Nikola

1832
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:28,840
Speaker 3: Willis's directive on the working from home thing last week.

1833
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:31,559
Speaker 3: But yeah, this might be one angus where that probably

1834
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:33,720
Speaker 3: doesn't apply as much as they might wish it had

1835
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 3: on this occasion. Thanks for your feedback. I'll get to

1836
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:37,760
Speaker 3: borrow that very soon. Right now, it is seventeen to

1837
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 3: seven here with Jack Tame on News Talks.

1838
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:45,040
Speaker 2: Heb everything from SMEs to the big corporates, The Business

1839
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 2: Hour with Jack Team and my HR, the HR solution

1840
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:52,520
Speaker 2: for Busy sme Son newstalksb.

1841
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:54,640
Speaker 3: Well, Michael is not convinced necessarily that many farmers are

1842
01:30:54,640 --> 01:30:57,120
Speaker 3: going to stay with sin Lay Jack of a Good Afternoon.

1843
01:30:57,640 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 3: Obviously the CEO hasn't seen the movie or you're dreaming,

1844
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:04,599
Speaker 3: You're dreaming when it comes to getting farmers to stay. Obviously,

1845
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 3: he seems to think that the feedback they've had from

1846
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:09,519
Speaker 3: that additional payment to South Island Farmers is going to

1847
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 3: be enough to get a lot of those farmers to

1848
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 3: remove their ceased notices. But the proof of the pudding

1849
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 3: is in the eating, So we will see very interesting

1850
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:22,080
Speaker 3: announcement or decision from New Zealand Post that is going

1851
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:26,439
Speaker 3: through an organizational restructure. Interesting time for it to be

1852
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:29,600
Speaker 3: going through an organizational restructure, given of course Christmas is

1853
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 3: very busy for New Zealand Post staff. But anyway, the

1854
01:31:32,240 --> 01:31:34,720
Speaker 3: thing that they've put through to the affected staff is

1855
01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:38,920
Speaker 3: basically that they can take voluntary redundancy or they can

1856
01:31:39,200 --> 01:31:40,719
Speaker 3: work a four day week.

1857
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 6: But the.

1858
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:45,640
Speaker 3: Fishock with the four day week is that you then

1859
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:47,599
Speaker 3: take a pay cup, so you get paid for four

1860
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:49,800
Speaker 3: days a week as opposed to five, but you keep

1861
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:54,760
Speaker 3: employment or you take voluntary redundancy, which is an interesting thing.

1862
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:57,640
Speaker 3: It's not often in these kind of situations that you

1863
01:31:57,720 --> 01:32:00,640
Speaker 3: see employees being presented with those kinds of opportunities. It's

1864
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 3: a bit of a sophie's choice. I get that no

1865
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:06,240
Speaker 3: one wants either of those options, but very interesting. Nonetheless,

1866
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 3: right now it is thirteen to seven on News Talks.

1867
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 3: He'd be in time to catch up with UK corresponding

1868
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:15,479
Speaker 3: Devin Gray, who's with us this evening Hikevin, Hi there, Jack,

1869
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:18,759
Speaker 3: so talk to us about this far right Freedom Party

1870
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 3: in Austria just under thirty percent of the vote, meaning

1871
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:25,519
Speaker 3: it is celebrating what is an historic election victory.

1872
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 13: Yeah, it sure is sensitive times of course with Austria

1873
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:33,360
Speaker 13: when you're talking about the far right and its links

1874
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:37,599
Speaker 13: of course to Hitler and the war. But the party

1875
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:40,840
Speaker 13: of the far right, the Freedom Party, won by almost

1876
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:44,759
Speaker 13: three points ahead of the more conservative People's Party. However,

1877
01:32:44,920 --> 01:32:48,200
Speaker 13: it is far short of forming a majority, and that's

1878
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:50,920
Speaker 13: going to be the issue because most of the other

1879
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 13: parties are ruling out categorically joining in any type of coalition.

1880
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:56,960
Speaker 1: With the FBO.

1881
01:32:58,040 --> 01:33:00,560
Speaker 13: That said, one of them says, yes, I might join it,

1882
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 13: but not with the current leader as leader.

1883
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:04,320
Speaker 3: Why are they so sensitive?

1884
01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:08,160
Speaker 13: Well, because the fire in leader, Herbert Kicklers, promised Austrians

1885
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:11,839
Speaker 13: to build Fortress Austria, as he's described it, to restore

1886
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:16,639
Speaker 13: their security, prosperity and peace. He's also described himself as

1887
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 13: the volks Councelor that's called People's Chancellor. And I'm afraid

1888
01:33:21,080 --> 01:33:23,640
Speaker 13: that's what Adolf Hitler used to describe himself as in

1889
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:26,960
Speaker 13: Nazi Germany. And indeed the party was founded by Nazis

1890
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:29,880
Speaker 13: in the nineteen fifties, and two days before the votes,

1891
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:32,559
Speaker 13: some of its candidates were caught on video singing an

1892
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:36,240
Speaker 13: SS song at a funeral anyway, they've won the battle

1893
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:38,639
Speaker 13: will now be on to tranform some sort of a government.

1894
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:42,720
Speaker 13: The issues of migration asylum were very high up on this.

1895
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:45,559
Speaker 13: This could be bad news for Ukraine as well. They've

1896
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:48,160
Speaker 13: promised to turn the tap off of funding them much

1897
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:50,840
Speaker 13: more pro Russian and it'll be a huge thorn in

1898
01:33:50,920 --> 01:33:54,000
Speaker 13: the side of the EU Bloc, which now has a

1899
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 13: right wing Italian government and also far right support in

1900
01:33:58,280 --> 01:33:59,760
Speaker 13: France and the Netherlands too.

1901
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:02,720
Speaker 3: So what is the likelihood given that this leader is

1902
01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:06,599
Speaker 3: going to stand down, given he is individually so popular

1903
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:11,760
Speaker 3: and undoubtedly charismatic regardless of his politics, is there any

1904
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:13,600
Speaker 3: real possibility that you will stand down so they can

1905
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:17,439
Speaker 3: actually form a coalition in govern Well, I wouldn't have thought.

1906
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:19,880
Speaker 13: So there might be some sort of middle ground where

1907
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:22,599
Speaker 13: maybe he's not the leader on paper or by name,

1908
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:25,800
Speaker 13: but you know, he's got some other title. But as

1909
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:28,400
Speaker 13: you said, he's popular, so it's unlikely he's going to

1910
01:34:28,479 --> 01:34:30,519
Speaker 13: just sort of decide to go, but there will be

1911
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:33,000
Speaker 13: pressure on the other parties I think to actually form

1912
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 13: a coalition. This is what people voted for. However, when

1913
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:38,479
Speaker 13: the Freedom Party, the right wing far right one in

1914
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:42,040
Speaker 13: the Netherlands, the leader Hurt Wilders agreed to drop his

1915
01:34:42,160 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 13: bid to become prime minister so that three other parties

1916
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:48,320
Speaker 13: would agree to form a coalition with his This is a.

1917
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 3: Phenomenon, we're saying right across Europe, right as anywhere in

1918
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:55,759
Speaker 3: Europe not experiencing a such in popularity for far right parties.

1919
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 13: Well, i'd look, I put so kind of point to

1920
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:02,600
Speaker 13: UK because of course we've gone from center right to

1921
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:05,040
Speaker 13: center left, but we're definitely against the trend.

1922
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:08,640
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, very good point. Speaking of the

1923
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:13,080
Speaker 3: UK government, they've titled Rules around Ministerial Hospitality.

1924
01:35:14,439 --> 01:35:16,840
Speaker 13: What a start to the premiership this has been for

1925
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:20,120
Speaker 13: the Labor Party, the new government as of early July,

1926
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:25,599
Speaker 13: they've had an absolute terrible a week of their own making, really,

1927
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:29,040
Speaker 13: with the announcement of lots and lots of freebies having

1928
01:35:29,160 --> 01:35:32,200
Speaker 13: been accepted within just the first few weeks of power.

1929
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:36,160
Speaker 13: So the Prime Minister Sirkirstarma originally declared about thirty five

1930
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:40,679
Speaker 13: thousand pounds worth of new clothes and he declared those

1931
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:44,200
Speaker 13: as work for his private office. That's going to be recategorized.

1932
01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:47,040
Speaker 13: We've had other scanners of tickets. But now the government

1933
01:35:47,240 --> 01:35:50,120
Speaker 13: is saying it's going to tighten up on these transparency rules.

1934
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:55,760
Speaker 13: So when a minister receives hospitality linked to their government job,

1935
01:35:56,160 --> 01:35:59,599
Speaker 13: they've normally declared in their MPs register. They've very rarely

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01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 13: do claric by their departments that that's going to be

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01:36:02,479 --> 01:36:05,880
Speaker 13: a specific requirement to do that under these new rules.

1938
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:08,400
Speaker 13: And also they have to put a figure on how

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Speaker 13: much it's worth, which they haven't had to do in

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Speaker 13: the past. And incidentally, all this has come up in

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Speaker 13: the first few weeks of his premiership. The next list,

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Speaker 13: which governs the next period of time, is due to

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Speaker 13: come up just later.

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Speaker 3: This startup up. It does seem like a bit of

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Speaker 3: an own goal for ken Stahmer, isn't it. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know, they were all about, you know, restoring standards

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Speaker 3: an office, or at least they seem to be during

1948
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Speaker 3: the election campaign, trying to differentiate themselves from the Lewis

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Speaker 3: Truss's and Boris Johnson's maybe lest of the Richie soon

1950
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Speaker 3: exper certainly the conservative leadership style that had defined a

1951
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Speaker 3: couple of those conservative prime ministers. It just seems like

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Speaker 3: such an avoidable kind of era, don't you think.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, absolutely a complete misstep and plenty of people have

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Speaker 13: been pointing that out and it isn't just the Prime Minister,

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Speaker 13: it's other senior members of his team as well, and

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Speaker 13: one MP has quit as well, saying it's been absolutely

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Speaker 13: disgusting Gavin.

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Speaker 3: The number of uniage students needing support for eating disorders

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Speaker 3: has more than double than recent years.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, very sad. This according to a charity which offers

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Speaker 13: to support to people over the phone, basically saying that

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Speaker 13: in a period from Eightpril twenty three to March twenty four,

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Speaker 13: their sessions are numbered more than fifteen thousand helps calls

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Speaker 13: for help from eighteen to twenty two year olds and

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Speaker 13: that's up from six six hundred for the same period

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Speaker 13: twenty nineteen to twenty two. So over the last five

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Speaker 13: years then the calls for help of more than doubled.

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Speaker 13: Some of it, yes, managing of finances, because of course

1969
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Speaker 13: life as a student can be tough, but managing groceries,

1970
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Speaker 13: getting to class on time, anxiety, being away from home,

1971
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Speaker 13: new way of working and studying, meeting new friends, all

1972
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Speaker 13: of this, of course comes. Most people seem to sort

1973
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Speaker 13: of fine with it, but there does seem to be

1974
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Speaker 13: this growing I don't know, lack of certainty about yourself,

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Speaker 13: like a confidence about yourself, which is deeply concerning. So

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Speaker 13: they're calling for more mental health centers to be set

1977
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Speaker 13: up in universities to tackle this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm wonder if the it's interesting, right because COVID

1979
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Speaker 3: has isolated people, but you know, you wonder at you

1980
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Speaker 3: to what extent, you know, it's hard to understand, but

1981
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Speaker 3: that phenomenon has kind of has has influenced the surge.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, it's it's been very so it's also been

1983
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Speaker 13: seen in hospitals as well, which has seen an increase

1984
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Speaker 13: in eating disorder referrals up eighty two percent since twenty

1985
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Speaker 13: nineteen twenty twenty. So yeah, it's not just UNIS, but

1986
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Speaker 13: it is young people affected the most, and it is

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Speaker 13: affecting both those unis and the National Health Service.

1988
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Speaker 3: Really appreciate your time is always given that as you

1989
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Speaker 3: can your correspondent, Gavin Gray, it's sex to seven.

1990
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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics.

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Speaker 3: Andy has pecked a song to close us out for

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Speaker 3: this evening. What have we got, Senes? Of course, with

2001
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Speaker 3: the unfortunate news of the death of Chris Christofferson, I've

2002
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Speaker 3: gone with We heard a little bit of it a

2003
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Speaker 3: bit earlier Highwayman by the Highwaymen that he performed very good,

2004
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Speaker 3: okay eighty eight, So yeah, news from his family that

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Speaker 3: he passed away at his home in Hawaii, but a

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