Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Men explain Thanks for
Speaker 1: joining us today. I got a handsome man in our midst.
Speaker 1: All our men that join us are handsome just for
Speaker 1: the record, but we have extra handsome one here today.
Speaker 1: It's Aiden, Welcome
Speaker 2: thanks for the warm welcome. I'm very happy to be
Speaker 2: here at man explain
Speaker 1: Finally, Finally, I think we've been talking about this for
Speaker 1: a
Speaker 2: long time.
Speaker 1: The record confronted me and he was like, how come?
Speaker 1: I'm not on an episode explained yet
Speaker 2: on the record I've watched, I've listened to all the diff.
Speaker 2: Thank
Speaker 1: you, appreciate it. Um I think we couldn't have found
Speaker 1: a more perfect guest for today's topic because we're talking
Speaker 1: about dressing up. Do men dress up enough and then
Speaker 1: we're also going to touch on personal grooming and I'll
Speaker 1: share a couple of horror stories, you know, just a
Speaker 1: casual weekday. So before we begin, maybe you can share
Speaker 1: a little bit about yourself with our audience.
Speaker 2: So my name is Aiden and I'm an actor. I
Speaker 2: was a host
Speaker 2: at the same time. I'm very interested in fashion and
Speaker 2: fragrances and grooming, right?
Speaker 1: And you're also not shy or embarrassed to admit like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, I do skincare. I of course in our
Speaker 1: line also makeup is kind of a normal thing for us.
Speaker 1: You do that too. Right?
Speaker 2: Well I think it's very important for more guys to
Speaker 2: kind of like step up and own this part of
Speaker 2: you know, wanting to look good
Speaker 2: for yourself for the people around you and for more
Speaker 2: people to be advocates of, you know, personal grooming.
Speaker 1: Never thought that advocates of personal grooming, it sounds like
Speaker 1: you should come naturally.
Speaker 2: There's always a stigma about guys who want to look good. Yes. Right? Yes.
Speaker 2: So beyond your buying an expensive watch, like a Rolex
Speaker 2: or like a pp beyond your buying a, like a
Speaker 2: very nice car. There are other ways of presenting yourself
Speaker 2: actually a lot cheaper
Speaker 1: then a sports car
Speaker 2: go on much longer way.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, I do agree. But unfortunately, the thing is
Speaker 1: when a guy comes across too conscious of like, oh
Speaker 1: my skincare routine or like my hair needs to be perfect,
Speaker 1: you know, and a little bit vain and so to speak,
Speaker 1: people kind of stereotype them or like box them up, like, oh,
Speaker 1: you must be fabulous or you're so vain or you
Speaker 1: must be in this industry, they put them into these boxes, right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I feel like I get a free
Speaker 2: pass because you're an artist
Speaker 2: Actor. So it makes perfect sense for me to understand
Speaker 2: how to do makeup out of the like 10 mil artists,
Speaker 2: I know probably 8.5 of them know how to apply
Speaker 2: at least basic,
Speaker 1: make sure
Speaker 2: because that's part of our job. But outside of this
Speaker 2: industry then people, I was actually talking to a friend recently,
Speaker 2: he was asking me for makeup tips,
Speaker 1: like a normal person, like regular in
Speaker 2: the industry and then I was sharing him, okay, you
Speaker 2: can use concealer in this way. And then I stopped
Speaker 2: in my tracks and asked him,
Speaker 2: you know, if you apply makeup with people think that
Speaker 2: you are too feminine or you're too vain. Like as
Speaker 2: a guy, I'm asking him whether or not that is
Speaker 2: a consideration that he should have. So I feel like
Speaker 2: even for me, I also have certain notions about what
Speaker 2: people would perceive as, whether it's a feminine behavior or
Speaker 2: whether it's behavior that is not considered masculine.
Speaker 1: Right? But does that matter to you?
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter to me because like it's something that
Speaker 2: I do and I hope that more
Speaker 2: people can,
Speaker 1: there are a few
Speaker 2: basic steps that every guy can take to make themselves
Speaker 2: look much better. Yes. Right. So if you have like
Speaker 2: acne prone skin, you just put some concealer look a
Speaker 2: lot better than going out with a face full of
Speaker 2: like red marks.
Speaker 1: It's just about being more presentable.
Speaker 2: But
Speaker 2: I was also thinking with your colleagues because he works
Speaker 2: in the corporate setting, right? Like your colleagues think that
Speaker 2: you are too,
Speaker 1: Why are you
Speaker 2: wearing makeup? Why is a guy wearing
Speaker 1: makeup? So
Speaker 2: actually this is a question for you.
Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. I
Speaker 2: don't know whether you have friends around you because you're
Speaker 2: doing this? You're very used to guys dressing up for sure.
Speaker 1: 100%. I feel less pretty when I'm around you guys.
Speaker 1: But
Speaker 2: what are your girlfriends?
Speaker 1: My girlfriends,
Speaker 2: they think like if any of them are like ol
Speaker 2: like they work in a corporate setting. If they see
Speaker 2: a guy in the office with makeup on, what would
Speaker 2: they think?
Speaker 1: So, you know, that's an interesting question because for for me,
Speaker 1: like I helped my boyfriend put some concealer before, sorry,
Speaker 1: this reaction this entire seriously, this entire series, I've altered
Speaker 1: him like so many times. He's going to
Speaker 1: yeah, I know. Right? So no, but he asked me
Speaker 1: for help because he was going to film something like
Speaker 1: for corporate video or something like that and they didn't
Speaker 1: have time to, he didn't time to go down and
Speaker 1: actually get proper hand makeup and it's not really necessary
Speaker 1: right to him. He's like, my girlfriend is everything okay
Speaker 1: aside from the fact that I'm several shades lighter than you,
Speaker 1: I don't have the right consider tone for you. But
Speaker 1: let me see what I can do. So I did
Speaker 1: help him out. He said, you know what, I actually
Speaker 1: look so much fresher
Speaker 1: and you know what it is. As easy as just
Speaker 1: doing under eye concealer, correct. It doesn't even mean like,
Speaker 1: oh I have to do foundation contour powder, blush whatever.
Speaker 1: Like you don't even have to do that just covering
Speaker 1: up some eye bags. Makes all the difference
Speaker 2: marks
Speaker 2: or
Speaker 1: even some redness around this area of the chin.
Speaker 2: Maybe some pencil,
Speaker 1: Okay, we're adding one more, well not part after the
Speaker 1: other as for my friends. I mean most of them
Speaker 1: are in media industry as well. That's loosely related also
Speaker 1: to the media industry. So I think them also being
Speaker 1: so exposed to K pop. It's so normal. Right to
Speaker 1: see all these men on screen also having a full
Speaker 1: face of makeup, even colored contacts and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But will it be strange if one of our guy
Speaker 1: friends shows up one day he has never touched makeup
Speaker 1: before he shows up with makeup,
Speaker 1: then perhaps we might find it a little bit interesting.
Speaker 1: But will he be able to have the skills that
Speaker 1: we won't be able to see the makeup on his face?
Speaker 1: I'm also not sure for you. You probably have picked
Speaker 1: up some of that
Speaker 2: actually a lot of it is very easy to easy
Speaker 2: to pick up. But my point is, I feel like
Speaker 2: we should normalize guys looking good. Yes. If they want
Speaker 2: to look good and if makeup can help them do
Speaker 1: that then why not
Speaker 2: then how do we change the public perception? There is
Speaker 2: some
Speaker 2: thing that is frowned upon because it is viewed as
Speaker 2: non masculine.
Speaker 1: I think it's slowly changing and I noticed with, you know,
Speaker 1: even brands like Chanel, they have like a line of
Speaker 1: makeup from national. Yes, exactly. So, and you know that
Speaker 1: you're familiar, but anyway, so, so I think it's starting
Speaker 1: to become a little bit more normalized in that sense.
Speaker 1: And then now do you notice that a lot of
Speaker 1: guys are getting manicures too?
Speaker 2: And pedicures? Yeah, you
Speaker 1: have nice feet, don't you? I'm very sure you have nice.
Speaker 2: I haven't gone to that level
Speaker 1: yet. Okay. Not yet. But I think, you know, with
Speaker 1: the big movers in the industry, like the big brands,
Speaker 1: once they start rolling that out, yeah, there might be
Speaker 1: some resistance at first. But do you think people will
Speaker 1: just slowly follow and think that, hey, it's okay if
Speaker 1: I walk into a store and find my shade or some?
Speaker 2: I think then that's what people like us are here
Speaker 2: for
Speaker 1: looking too.
Speaker 2: We need more people to advocate for guys to pursue
Speaker 2: beauty in that sense. Um looking good comes in many
Speaker 2: different forms of expressions I think for the standard, like
Speaker 2: heterosexual guy in the Singapore setting.
Speaker 2: It's always about like I said, just now watches and
Speaker 2: maybe like credit card and mouse
Speaker 1: and they don't care about anything else
Speaker 2: and cars. Whereas like if you venture, if you branch
Speaker 2: out more, then it goes down into like what you're wearing,
Speaker 2: what perfume you're using, whether your skin care is good,
Speaker 2: whether or not you're putting some makeup,
Speaker 2: if your skin isn't very, it's not in a very
Speaker 2: good condition. Like all these help to complete the entire
Speaker 2: presentation of who you are as a package.
Speaker 1: So, you know, you brought up a very good point
Speaker 1: and I think it's particularly useful, Let's say first impressions
Speaker 1: drop interview stuff like that. Right? But I have a
Speaker 1: question also in regards to that because every time we
Speaker 1: talk to our guy friends or even our partners or whatever,
Speaker 1: they always say like, oh you girls take like an
Speaker 1: hour to get ready. But us guys, we only take
Speaker 1: like what 5, 10 minutes. All I need to do
Speaker 1: is wax my hair a little bit out. How long
Speaker 1: do you take to get ready Aiden?
Speaker 2: Well I'm not lying about this, but I can get
Speaker 2: a full face makeup done plus my hair probably in
Speaker 2: 20 minutes.
Speaker 1: Okay 20 minutes. That's, that's not, that's not too bad.
Speaker 2: Like 15, 20 minutes
Speaker 1: when you say full face makeup, what consistent
Speaker 2: with like your skin care routine and then your primary
Speaker 2: foundation concealer, basically everything that a girl would do other
Speaker 2: than eye makeup.
Speaker 1: You can do it.
Speaker 2: So for example, I go filming most of the time, right?
Speaker 2: And actually do my hair and makeup by myself.
Speaker 2: Oh, a lot of the days. So I can wake up,
Speaker 2: do my hair makeup at home and then drive to
Speaker 2: location and
Speaker 1: waste
Speaker 2: time like traveling to a makeup artist wherever he or
Speaker 2: she is. So if my film is at eight o'clock, right?
Speaker 2: I just need to make sure that I wake up
Speaker 2: by seven, you know quickly, like
Speaker 1: you can make it
Speaker 2: really can make it, it takes a guy like maybe
Speaker 2: 10 minutes like wash up max, you brush your teeth,
Speaker 2: wash your face
Speaker 2: Shower or whatever and then after 20 minutes of your
Speaker 2: hair makeup and you have 30 minutes to like drive
Speaker 2: to location. So, and it works
Speaker 1: and it works. That's impressive man.
Speaker 2: So it's about efficiency and skill and I believe anybody can,
Speaker 1: you need to sleep like more, you need to sleep
Speaker 1: every minute counts every minute.
Speaker 2: Who likes to call time that starts at like 6
Speaker 2: 37 or 7:30 a.m. You
Speaker 1: know, this is real life for me every day. I
Speaker 1: start work at six a.m. So no one gets to
Speaker 1: talk to me about early call times
Speaker 1: anyway, so aside from hair makeup, skincare and all that,
Speaker 1: I wanted to touch on dressing as well. So there's
Speaker 1: some memes that float around, you know, the internet. Have
Speaker 1: you seen those? Like about singaporean men? Like their standard wardrobe,
Speaker 1: their standard looks and stuff when they go out and
Speaker 1: when they're at home. And there was this one meme,
Speaker 1: I think we can flash it up on the screen
Speaker 1: if you're watching the podcast on youtube as well.
Speaker 1: Um the yellow one is for going out and then
Speaker 1: the army shirt is army shirt is like the work
Speaker 1: from home or staying at home thing. Do you agree
Speaker 1: with this? Is that what Singaporean men wear most of
Speaker 1: the time. You notice,
Speaker 2: I think there's some truth to that
Speaker 1: they're not going to like
Speaker 2: when you go outside, where do you, even if you
Speaker 2: go to like orchard road and maybe not so much.
Speaker 2: You walk along orchard road, you will definitely see people
Speaker 2: wearing that like t shirts. It's just one color and
Speaker 2: maybe a pair of shorts and definitely fine with it.
Speaker 2: Um Again, I think
Speaker 2: dressing is your personal freedom. You can wear whatever makes
Speaker 2: you feel comfortable. It's just that overall as because we
Speaker 2: are in the fashion industry kind
Speaker 1: of. Yes. Yes.
Speaker 2: So we also think about like things from a macro level,
Speaker 2: like when people think of Singapore, they probably don't regard
Speaker 2: it as like a
Speaker 1: fashionable city city. Yes. Yes, I
Speaker 2: agree.
Speaker 2: And a lot of it comes from the fact that
Speaker 2: so called like the fabric of our society is is
Speaker 2: used to dressing down and dressing as casually as possible.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people also use the
Speaker 1: excuse of, oh, it's so hot, what else would I
Speaker 1: wear Except for a T shirt shorts and flip flops.
Speaker 2: But I do think that there is a lot of,
Speaker 2: it's the this call causation is quite strong here.
Speaker 2: I study in the States for a few years and
Speaker 2: whether it's your session and sweat pants, that would be
Speaker 2: the equivalent of our T shirt and shorts, but there
Speaker 2: can still be some styling to be done because there
Speaker 2: is layering that's involved. So as the seasons change, you
Speaker 2: are encouraged to to change
Speaker 1: your look. But
Speaker 2: here there's
Speaker 1: Only one season, 1
Speaker 2: season and therefore people don't have a need to buy
Speaker 2: clothes frequently.
Speaker 1: No motivation.
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And you want to just in a way that so
Speaker 2: like layer dressing for guys is very, very important because
Speaker 2: we don't have so many
Speaker 1: see that? Yeah.
Speaker 2: We don't have something different types of clothing. Like
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: How many types of skirts are there many? How many
Speaker 2: types of tops are there many? And jewelry accessories?
Speaker 1: Like my, you know, my my friends and my boyfriend
Speaker 1: sometimes they can't figure it out there. Like
Speaker 1: where does the arm go for this top? Like where
Speaker 1: does this go? Like there's so many things to play
Speaker 1: around
Speaker 2: with guys. It's always just about dressing in Singapore addressing
Speaker 2: means that it's going to get hot. So do you,
Speaker 2: are you going to sacrifice your comfort for beauty? Well,
Speaker 2: most guys don't even get to that point because I
Speaker 2: would rather just not think about it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like why?
Speaker 2: I think two
Speaker 1: minutes to pick out
Speaker 1: the same t shirt that I wear every day that
Speaker 1: I know so many colors.
Speaker 2: I know so many guys who have that, they do that.
Speaker 2: They believe in that kind of routine, like one T
Speaker 2: shirt by like
Speaker 1: six whatever colors available,
Speaker 2: it might be something that's expensive. You
Speaker 1: know. Oh yeah, for sure. I know guys like this
Speaker 1: can
Speaker 2: go to like,
Speaker 1: okay,
Speaker 2: $1, and then just like by 10 of it, I'm
Speaker 2: going to wear this on Monday Tuesday
Speaker 1: my shopping for the year, I'm done, I'm done for
Speaker 1: the year.
Speaker 2: I think the whole climate becomes kind of um
Speaker 2: it's just tough for fashion to become a thing in Singapore,
Speaker 2: but that's what we're also seeing change nowadays. A lot
Speaker 2: of the youngsters, I don't think it's an issue of
Speaker 2: being materialistic is an issue of like
Speaker 2: they're just focused more on self expression and that comes
Speaker 2: with being more fashionable and dressing up a lot more
Speaker 2: and following trends.
Speaker 1: I agree. I mean, I think it was quite evident
Speaker 1: in our generation, you know, the millennials, the gen z's
Speaker 1: we care a little bit more about how we dress
Speaker 1: or how we look for example, I don't know whether
Speaker 1: the fact that we're exposed to more content online or
Speaker 1: more celebrities that you know, lead the way in terms
Speaker 1: of trends, but since you brought up the fact that
Speaker 1: here in Singapore, we care less because of the climate.
Speaker 1: Do you then notice because you travel as well, you know,
Speaker 1: for work or in your previous travels you go to
Speaker 1: places like, I don't know, Tokyo us Korea the men there,
Speaker 1: they put in more effort though. Right?
Speaker 2: Do they?
Speaker 2: It will be a generalization, but my observation would be yes, right.
Speaker 2: But then then then again, they have a much larger population.
Speaker 2: So the population of people who are more fashionable also,
Speaker 1: maybe it's relative is
Speaker 2: right, I think Singapore just needs to with any of
Speaker 2: these huge cities like metropolitan cities but in Tokyo in
Speaker 2: new york city they have a lot of history there
Speaker 2: and they have their own culture, right? So what is
Speaker 2: Singapore's culture and how do we harness it into something
Speaker 2: that makes sense
Speaker 2: beyond just t shirts and shorts or
Speaker 1: your orientation? T shirt from
Speaker 2: camp,
Speaker 2: there was this it wasn't this incident of the of
Speaker 2: the Mr Singapore or whatever who carried a Singapore flag
Speaker 2: and what the army shorts with boots
Speaker 1: was it? Oh my God really? I forgot about that.
Speaker 2: So that happened quite recently and that's his way of
Speaker 2: representing what Singapore fashion is about.
Speaker 1: That that's it
Speaker 2: every every other country representative for something that is culturally
Speaker 2: unique to the country, right? And then he, I mean
Speaker 2: he was this poor boy was kind of bashed online
Speaker 2: because
Speaker 1: like
Speaker 2: that is not just what profession is, you know? But
Speaker 2: when people think about it this way then then the
Speaker 2: question should be what is what is the part of
Speaker 2: our culture that we can harness into something that makes
Speaker 2: sense on a regional or even a global stage when
Speaker 2: it comes to fashion. So
Speaker 1: so how have you done that then as Aiden as yourself?
Speaker 1: Like how have you incorporated that blended that in and
Speaker 1: still keeping yourself your personality.
Speaker 2: I think for me because like I'm very interested in
Speaker 2: fashion to begin with. So it's more about like identifying
Speaker 2: what your personal style is. There are some brands that,
Speaker 2: I mean I work with a lot of friends, but
Speaker 2: some brands that I resonate with a lot just
Speaker 1: fashionista, by the way, just letting you know, okay, if
Speaker 1: you haven't already seen his instagram page, you should for
Speaker 1: some inspo
Speaker 2: well, thanks for that. But it becomes more of like,
Speaker 2: do you go on the personal journey to figure out
Speaker 2: what works for you and what doesn't, you know, something
Speaker 2: I like about Sonia,
Speaker 1: She's
Speaker 2: very versatile, she's always trying out things with hair. I mean,
Speaker 2: number of like hair extensions and wigs that she's done
Speaker 2: in the past six months. It's just crazy,
Speaker 2: you
Speaker 1: know, you should see my house, it's just like hair
Speaker 1: lying around everywhere. No one remembers what my hair length
Speaker 1: is anymore to be honest. But
Speaker 2: but the whole thing about self expression is that you
Speaker 2: want to be as experimental as possible because you don't
Speaker 2: know what you can possibly look like until you give
Speaker 2: it a go, right? And that's something that I feel
Speaker 2: like a lot of singaporeans wouldn't,
Speaker 2: they wouldn't venture to that point because they care a
Speaker 2: lot more about comfort or they just care a lot
Speaker 2: about being in within that zone. Yes, that they're very
Speaker 2: comfortable with.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, okay, the most basic example, right?
Speaker 1: You know, we have a lot of friends or I
Speaker 1: have a lot of girlfriends to that struggle to even
Speaker 1: cut their hair, like if it goes past like, or
Speaker 1: above a certain length, they're like, I can't that's considered
Speaker 1: very short.
Speaker 1: So because they're very resistant to change, it is unlikely
Speaker 1: that they're going to go all out and be like,
Speaker 1: try this new look or, and I guess in industries
Speaker 1: that's not media, they have little reason to try so
Speaker 1: many looks, you know what I mean? So that's
Speaker 2: the thing. I have this conversation with
Speaker 1: industry industry specific.
Speaker 2: We were so used to being in this whole like, fashion, media, landscape,
Speaker 2: whatever comes, we don't, we don't bat an eyelid
Speaker 1: and I'm excited to try a new look
Speaker 2: shows up wearing a kilt. We will applaud him for
Speaker 2: it because like, you own it, you work it. But
Speaker 2: the people that are outside of these conversations with them,
Speaker 2: why don't I go shopping with you one day and like,
Speaker 2: why don't you do something like this? And actually what
Speaker 2: I find is that they're quite receptive to it.
Speaker 1: Okay. It's just that
Speaker 2: there's a lot inertia, you leave it up to me.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna do anything if you do it together
Speaker 2: with me.
Speaker 1: I
Speaker 2: just have like, a free, like, personal shopper with me, Right?
Speaker 2: And then how do we get more people to be
Speaker 2: open
Speaker 2: to this kind of conversation. Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's a very tough question. I think
Speaker 1: it's only going to be, has to be a natural
Speaker 1: progression in that sense, right? Like you can't force a
Speaker 1: guy who is, who's never been interested in fashion before
Speaker 1: unless you like what you said, you know you offered
Speaker 1: a shot with your friend however, and he actually sees
Speaker 1: the difference. I think the moment they see the difference,
Speaker 1: you know, between a normal starboard suit and
Speaker 1: a tailored suit for example, then their minds might slowly
Speaker 1: start changing and their taste might change as well.
Speaker 2: People who venture to that and understand what quality means,
Speaker 2: it's great. But on the other spectrum of things, I
Speaker 2: also think that even things that you buy from, they
Speaker 2: can look fantastic
Speaker 1: for sure,
Speaker 2: right? So you as long as you got exposed to it,
Speaker 2: which I feel like one very good thing about social
Speaker 2: media like you said just now, the fact that people
Speaker 2: are consuming so much content on a daily basis, they
Speaker 2: follow
Speaker 2: influencers here in their local regional international, They just see
Speaker 2: all these different ways of dressing and a lot of
Speaker 2: them get absorbed into their subconscious how they should be dressing.
Speaker 2: So you we have definitely moved away slightly from your
Speaker 2: t shirt and shorts, fortunately unfortunately this kind of like
Speaker 2: such as pants
Speaker 1: everybody
Speaker 2: seems to be, you
Speaker 1: see his eyes, he was like,
Speaker 1: not again,
Speaker 2: I wear that a lot too right, but the next
Speaker 2: time I see your essentials.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know that's that's the thing, right? People
Speaker 1: just gravitate towards their comfort zone And when we talk
Speaker 1: about that, when did you realize what your personal style was?
Speaker 1: Because you talk so much about personal style and you know,
Speaker 1: you mentioned that, but to some of us who may
Speaker 1: not understand how to get there, it's just like branding, right?
Speaker 1: You know, in our industry, when did you realize like, okay,
Speaker 1: I think I vibe with this style and what is
Speaker 1: your style?
Speaker 2: So I mean, firstly we divide into guys or not
Speaker 2: just guys, both guys and girls. People who understand what
Speaker 2: they want or will be able to navigate to that
Speaker 2: point by themselves. And then the other spectrum, the other
Speaker 2: side of things, People who just don't have a clue, right?
Speaker 2: So let's suggest that first, you know, you're not, no
Speaker 2: man is an island. There are people around you who
Speaker 1: can help. I
Speaker 2: don't know about your partner. But like if he is
Speaker 2: clueless like that, it's great that he has you
Speaker 1: around. And precisely
Speaker 2: if like, if you don't know anything, ask your girlfriend,
Speaker 2: I
Speaker 1: could help you.
Speaker 2: Have you have, you must have come across this in
Speaker 2: your life at some point where people come up to
Speaker 2: you and be like, oh, I think you look pretty
Speaker 2: good in this. You know?
Speaker 1: And then you're supposed to be like, okay, I noticed
Speaker 1: that and then I have this assurance,
Speaker 2: right? And then you move on and be like, oh,
Speaker 2: maybe I look, I do look quite good in this
Speaker 2: and that's how a lot of your style gets shaped
Speaker 2: like people start identifying, oh, you can pull off that
Speaker 2: whole like street wear pants or some people just look
Speaker 2: very good in suits.
Speaker 2: Some people look very good and you know, denim, you know,
Speaker 2: you just have to find something that that that you,
Speaker 2: your body proportions works for. Yeah, nobody looks at it
Speaker 2: in every single thing out there.
Speaker 1: You're supposed to dress to complement your body type. Also.
Speaker 1: I feel
Speaker 2: so, I mean guys don't really understand that.
Speaker 1: You know, they
Speaker 2: don't think about proportions.
Speaker 1: They don't, so
Speaker 2: a lot of times they're like, it's not that I
Speaker 2: don't want to look good. I don't know what I
Speaker 2: can possibly look good, right? And they just need somebody
Speaker 2: to tell them or maybe you should try going for
Speaker 2: this
Speaker 2: in Singapore. I feel like a lot of guys are focused,
Speaker 2: You know, there's this, I've heard this
Speaker 2: one way that people describe Singapore outside of our country is,
Speaker 2: I'm
Speaker 1: curious to know, what do they say?
Speaker 2: It's called the prawn capital? Uh,
Speaker 1: prawn capital
Speaker 2: because with the prawn right,
Speaker 1: we're very shellfish. People know
Speaker 2: prawn, okay? You eat the meat, right? Which is the body.
Speaker 2: So you take the head and you throw it away.
Speaker 1: So
Speaker 2: basically saying that Singapore and guys are like all, they
Speaker 2: all go to the gym and they're very me and muscular,
Speaker 2: but they don't look.
Speaker 1: And it's not very
Speaker 2: presentable. So you take away the shell, all you left
Speaker 2: that is the muscle and
Speaker 1: you know, I never heard of this before. Where have you,
Speaker 1: where did you hear this from? I've never heard of this.
Speaker 2: A lot of my friends who are from overseas, that's
Speaker 2: how they refer to Singaporean
Speaker 1: guys. Okay, Okay. The sad thing is, I mean I
Speaker 1: have a number of friends, some of them are single
Speaker 1: and some of them say like singaporean men are nothing
Speaker 1: much to look at and I,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh no, okay. I didn't say it. Okay,
Speaker 2: well at least they go to the
Speaker 1: gym and go to the gym. That's good,
Speaker 2: very like skewed expectations of what you guys are supposed
Speaker 2: to look like in Singapore. Like everyone is hitting the
Speaker 2: gym and if you don't look a certain way, you
Speaker 2: do have a certain frame, it's just not, it's just
Speaker 2: not appealing in that sense. But because of that, if
Speaker 2: you keep going to the gym,
Speaker 2: you know, you want to show off your assets and
Speaker 2: as a result, everybody keeps wearing clothes that are very,
Speaker 2: very
Speaker 1: tight, right?
Speaker 2: But it might or might not be suitable for your proportions,
Speaker 1: You know, so
Speaker 2: that's when you need to like go on that journey
Speaker 2: of like figuring out maybe instead of wearing very, very
Speaker 2: tight clothes to show off your muscles, you are more
Speaker 2: suited for an oversized look,
Speaker 1: no one is going to have this thought process. I
Speaker 1: think in that moment they're like, I want to show
Speaker 1: off my
Speaker 1: assets, right? And that's what they're doing.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean at some point at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, you just want people, you want
Speaker 2: to feel confident in whatever you're wearing and ideally, if
Speaker 2: you're single, you can make other people think you're attractive.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I, in that sense have a very low barometer.
Speaker 1: So my, I generally, I love, okay, yeah, I know
Speaker 1: it's going to sound weird.
Speaker 1: I love a guy in a crisp white shirt and
Speaker 1: like proper tailored pants. You know, I see some of
Speaker 1: the producers and the people behind camera's nodding away. So
Speaker 1: basically I walk into the CBD and my type is
Speaker 1: there like, right, okay, But it also makes a difference
Speaker 1: if they're wearing like a proper, you can tell if
Speaker 1: it's like a proper fitted shirt blazer, I think it
Speaker 1: makes such a difference. And
Speaker 1: with, with men, although you don't have that much different
Speaker 1: articles of clothing to play around with, it's all about
Speaker 1: the fit.
Speaker 2: Guys know this is very important. So just sharing some
Speaker 2: words of gold with you. It's not just about, you
Speaker 2: know how expensive your clothes are or even how intricate
Speaker 2: or complex they are. Girls have this ability
Speaker 2: to see
Speaker 1: through the
Speaker 2: Bs and understand, oh, this guy has actually spent some
Speaker 2: time to look the way that he does.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. And it also, I can also tell when
Speaker 1: it comes to personal grooming. So,
Speaker 2: okay, so
Speaker 1: let's talk about that. What are some, I have a story.
Speaker 1: I have a story, but what are some of your
Speaker 1: pet piece? Let's just not saying it doesn't mean it
Speaker 1: has to be in men or in the opposite sex
Speaker 1: or whatever. Just in general. Like when you first meet
Speaker 1: a person,
Speaker 1: what are some of your first impressions, what's important to
Speaker 1: you and that you notice
Speaker 2: first personal
Speaker 1: grooming wise?
Speaker 2: Personal grooming wise. Okay, so
Speaker 2: I really don't like facial hair.
Speaker 1: Really? Okay
Speaker 2: for guys. Okay. So what irritates me a lot is
Speaker 2: like
Speaker 2: nose hair.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's like speaking out. It's like picking out right here. Okay.
Speaker 1: I
Speaker 2: just feel like that's a representation of like you probably
Speaker 2: not looking in the mirror enough,
Speaker 1: but they just don't realize. They're like, oh, it's nature.
Speaker 1: Like it's just natural.
Speaker 2: But I don't know to me, that's just one of
Speaker 2: my pet peeves and like it's a very good telltale
Speaker 2: sign of like how
Speaker 2: detailed you are when it comes to your grooming.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know a lot of my male friends
Speaker 1: who actually go for like trimming or like they do the,
Speaker 1: what do they wax your?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I believe that is the process.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's honestly quite painful. So most of them
Speaker 1: just like trim it at least. Yeah, I can imagine
Speaker 1: that
Speaker 2: or nails, nails.
Speaker 1: Yes. Oh, I can't,
Speaker 1: I can't deal with.
Speaker 2: Imagine like, you see a guy who has like meals
Speaker 2: that like this
Speaker 1: along with
Speaker 2: girls, right? Because I like girls, they don't go for like, manicures.
Speaker 2: So
Speaker 1: it's not groomed
Speaker 2: groomed. Yeah. I think that's a that's a representation of
Speaker 2: like you perhaps not really caring about personal grooming that much,
Speaker 2: which would be perfectly fine for yourself. It's just a
Speaker 2: turn off for the girls. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I have a I have a story, not going
Speaker 1: to name names as usual. Most things stay anonymous here,
Speaker 1: so I don't even think he knows I exist anymore.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so one of my biggest pet peeves would
Speaker 1: be oral hygiene.
Speaker 2: Like teeth.
Speaker 1: Okay, so the moment you talk to a person or
Speaker 1: you actually is any food? My teeth. I did not ask.
Speaker 2: Mr
Speaker 1: Okay. Always check.
Speaker 1: Um you know, you can tell if someone hasn't been
Speaker 1: to the dentist in your life the entire life. Like
Speaker 1: I know people who have never stepped into a dentist
Speaker 1: and you can see the plug and the Tatar just
Speaker 1: building up around.
Speaker 2: She's going down to the details,
Speaker 1: the details again, because there's nothing more satisfying than going
Speaker 1: for like cleaning every few months. I'm like, oh it
Speaker 1: feels so great. But then I also wonder sometimes when
Speaker 1: I meet people for the first time,
Speaker 2: you know?
Speaker 1: And I noticed that their teeth like not in good
Speaker 1: shape or like bad breath and stuff like that. That
Speaker 1: is an immediate like, whoa to me, like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I can continue this conversation. So there was
Speaker 1: this guy I met before and he was actually like
Speaker 1: an old acquaintance. Okay. And I got got reunited with
Speaker 1: him again, like a few years down the road after
Speaker 1: we have lost context and I was like, wow, he
Speaker 1: got cute. I was like, he got cute. Hello? What's up?
Speaker 1: And we were single at the moment, single at the time.
Speaker 1: And then you were just having drinks. It was cool.
Speaker 1: Like we're kind of sitting like this distance like across
Speaker 1: a cocktail table, right? And then the night and he said,
Speaker 1: do you want to go to another place for a drink?
Speaker 1: I was like, sure. And we walk off and he
Speaker 1: tried to make a move basically. And the moment he
Speaker 1: came here, I was like,
Speaker 2: okay,
Speaker 1: okay.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no. I was like, oh no,
Speaker 1: I think he has not brush his teeth in like
Speaker 1: probably five days. I was like, okay, I don't think
Speaker 1: I can do this.
Speaker 2: Another another
Speaker 1: point in the podcast
Speaker 2: where guys need to take notes. You
Speaker 1: must know something. I allowed the kids to happen and
Speaker 1: regretted it immediately.
Speaker 2: She Condoned the behavior. I
Speaker 1: lived to tell the tale and we never met again.
Speaker 1: I never really told him why because I was afraid
Speaker 1: to be offended, but you should have told him. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe I should
Speaker 2: have like
Speaker 1: should have given it is not
Speaker 2: your responsibility and that's the thing, you know, but
Speaker 1: then what if he's just going through like no one
Speaker 1: tells him and then he's still out there, he's still
Speaker 1: out there with Tatar and his teeth
Speaker 2: guys the same way the girls take responsibility for how
Speaker 2: they look, how they present themselves, you know, as much
Speaker 2: as you know, you have to wait for them for
Speaker 2: half an hour, an hour or two hours to get ready.
Speaker 2: That's their way of being responsible towards themselves as well.
Speaker 2: The people that are going out with
Speaker 1: and showing that I care about this meeting.
Speaker 2: So if you're a guy then you kind of have
Speaker 2: to do the same and oftentimes that just involves you
Speaker 2: know being a little bit more diligent consistent with a
Speaker 2: routine and staring yourself in the mirror more
Speaker 1: just a bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean not, I do that very proactively when
Speaker 2: I do my makeup
Speaker 1: but I think it's a job hazard for us because
Speaker 1: we were constantly when we're not in front of the
Speaker 1: camera or recording something or doing something.
Speaker 1: We're sitting in front, we're doing makeup, but some makeup
Speaker 1: for us before,
Speaker 2: before work, you're doing that in between work. You also
Speaker 2: have to do that because you have to get ready
Speaker 2: for your next thing. Yes, so you spend a lot
Speaker 2: of time in front of mirin were forced to notice
Speaker 2: things that you don't want to know.
Speaker 1: Exactly and you fixate on things as well. So Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I mean for if you are a regular guy
Speaker 2: out there who's not in the media landscape in the
Speaker 2: media industry then
Speaker 2: you kind of have to take more responsible for that
Speaker 2: because nobody's going to tell you in a bar that
Speaker 2: your breath stinks.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Nobody's
Speaker 2: going to come up to you and tell you that
Speaker 2: your nails are turn off. You know like you didn't
Speaker 2: shave properly shaved half way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know that's the thing. So I'm afraid that like
Speaker 1: maybe you know your partners need to be more vocal
Speaker 1: about it or if you're single,
Speaker 2: you have to, you know,
Speaker 1: self aware,
Speaker 2: self aware and reflective and that's why you're still single. Oh,
Speaker 1: shots fired, Shots fired. Okay, so aside from what you
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier with the nose here, is there anything else
Speaker 1: that turns you off? Like just first impressions? Doesn't even
Speaker 1: have to be a romantic setting.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, I can't then clothes that are not steamed
Speaker 2: or
Speaker 1: ironed,
Speaker 1: especially
Speaker 2: if it's that kind of material. I mean like honestly
Speaker 2: with denim it doesn't really matter. But if you're wearing
Speaker 2: something that's like, I don't know silk or like a
Speaker 2: t
Speaker 1: shirt, like
Speaker 2: a sweatshirt that crumbles easily.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. But so do iron and you have
Speaker 1: a steamer at home.
Speaker 2: I wash and steam all my clothes by myself,
Speaker 1: wow. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's like a routine. You know, you can by
Speaker 2: a steamer on like shopping or
Speaker 1: the miniature steamer. It's very
Speaker 2: Cheap. It's less than $30. You can even get like
Speaker 2: 10 plus, right?
Speaker 1: But then the effort,
Speaker 2: it's less than a minute
Speaker 1: to
Speaker 2: steam
Speaker 2: one T shirt. It probably takes you 20 seconds.
Speaker 1: And nowadays
Speaker 2: are the steamers, right? They heat up so quickly so
Speaker 2: you really have no excuse. You're telling me that you
Speaker 2: have to like set up the ironing ball and like,
Speaker 2: you know, wait for the iron to like, I mean
Speaker 2: and that's B. S. Because like if you do that,
Speaker 2: sure if you buy a steamer, it really takes you
Speaker 2: less than 30 30 seconds.
Speaker 1: So I need to I need to
Speaker 1: to say this is my partner doesn't really iron any clothes. Right, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: we have a helper. He has a helper that comes
Speaker 1: in once a week to help with. Like, you know
Speaker 1: certain his work shirts and stuff. Okay. Like he will
Speaker 1: send it off to directly. No, but in regards to
Speaker 1: regular t shirts. So what we do is we will
Speaker 1: hang it in a way that is very straight.
Speaker 1: Do
Speaker 2: what you need to
Speaker 1: Do. It crumples minimally and I don't have to take
Speaker 1: out the iron which he spent $800 on, which I
Speaker 1: don't get it because he never used it. You know
Speaker 1: why because I cannot figure it out. I'm like why
Speaker 1: don't you just get like an $80 ironing board. Don't
Speaker 1: ever let men go out and buy home appliances. This
Speaker 1: is another episode for
Speaker 1: another day
Speaker 2: back again, we can talk about that, you
Speaker 1: know? But I do know a handful of men who
Speaker 1: are conscious about this and they definitely have these pet
Speaker 1: peeves as well,
Speaker 2: especially with the shirt.
Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean he's going to walk into the CBD and then
Speaker 2: she's going to like not steam steam steam
Speaker 1: steam
Speaker 1: and I mean the steam in terms of the shirt,
Speaker 1: not like, you know, so yeah, these are, it's interesting
Speaker 1: that you you picked that out because I think it's
Speaker 1: so underrated, like it's not talked about
Speaker 2: enough. It takes me because I understand how how quickly
Speaker 2: you can get it done. Yes. And for you to
Speaker 2: not even spend that additional minute. Yes. I'm always running
Speaker 2: late for shoots to be honest,
Speaker 1: because you're steaming like now I know
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm almost there. But
Speaker 2: no matter how late I am, I will not leave
Speaker 2: house with a nice steamed piece of shirt.
Speaker 1: I get it. I mean, you take people understand
Speaker 2: Take a pic. You either spend 30 seconds or one
Speaker 2: minute steaming this or your photographer spent two hours doing
Speaker 2: for the shop.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's true. Some people would rather let the photographer,
Speaker 1: which is very mean,
Speaker 2: please be nice to your team
Speaker 1: and then and then if
Speaker 1: if you come across people who are not in this industry,
Speaker 1: they're like no one's going to take photos of me what,
Speaker 1: you know,
Speaker 2: but
Speaker 1: I feel like we got a lot of one liners
Speaker 1: from Aiden like we need to say we need to
Speaker 1: cut out, Okay, so you obviously seem very exposed to
Speaker 1: not just beauty but fashion styles who are some of
Speaker 1: your biggest influences or like how did you become exposed
Speaker 1: to so many different options, styles and and all
Speaker 2: that?
Speaker 1: Do you actively search or do you actively
Speaker 2: look? I think I was much younger, it was really
Speaker 2: about finding brands that wasn't an aesthetic. Yeah. At some
Speaker 2: point everybody was like crazy about Zara right? Yeah. And
Speaker 2: then as I started doing this more, you know, actually like,
Speaker 2: you know, one ft into the fashion industry, then you
Speaker 2: find designers that you really resonate with. So like kim
Speaker 2: jong
Speaker 2: from the your, the tailoring is very on point like
Speaker 2: Alejandro satori from Xenia, they're just people that, you know,
Speaker 2: you really like what they do and you know, maybe
Speaker 2: driven by brand history may be driven by the archives,
Speaker 2: but there's a certain way that they cut the clothes
Speaker 2: that makes it feel good and when you try it
Speaker 2: on yourself,
Speaker 1: it's flattering
Speaker 2: it's better somehow, this just makes me look better than
Speaker 2: I am and
Speaker 2: as you go on this journey then you'll like try
Speaker 2: out many, many different types of designers, right? And you
Speaker 2: forget that some work for you and some don't
Speaker 1: and you know on that note as well, you're talking
Speaker 1: about fit and cutting and how it makes you feel
Speaker 1: more confident.
Speaker 1: I think there's a misconception also like girls are the
Speaker 1: only ones that care about dressing for their body type
Speaker 1: because yeah, for sure. Like my girlfriend and I will
Speaker 1: talk about this all the time because you know it's
Speaker 1: a very mean girls moment. We sit around a circle
Speaker 1: and then my friend was like, oh my God, I
Speaker 1: hate my brows today. Or like the other girl goes,
Speaker 1: I am so fat. They are not, they're not by
Speaker 1: the way they look perfect. Okay.
Speaker 1: I
Speaker 2: feel like if there was a guy in the midst
Speaker 2: just like rolling his eyes the entire way
Speaker 1: Like 100
Speaker 2: is what they look perfectly fine fat where the fat.
Speaker 2: I don't
Speaker 1: understand exactly
Speaker 2: Dress didn't just buy this for like $500 what you're
Speaker 2: complaining about. So
Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to quote this. Also this incident
Speaker 1: between one of my friends and her now ex ex okay,
Speaker 1: they're not together anymore.
Speaker 1: He doesn't get when she wants to cover up certain
Speaker 1: parts of her body because she is not confident in them.
Speaker 1: She wants to dress for her body. He's like why
Speaker 1: don't why are you so you know conscious about it
Speaker 1: like it doesn't matter. It's all the same. It's all
Speaker 1: the same. But to us it's like it's not the
Speaker 1: same because if you're insecure for example about your, about
Speaker 1: your stomach or your legs or you know your pear
Speaker 1: shaped for example, then you want to dress in a
Speaker 1: way that it elongates you or you know makes you
Speaker 1: look more flattering or I always dress to look taller,
Speaker 1: that's that's me. So yeah, that's what I need to
Speaker 1: do
Speaker 1: and I feel like for men as well, you guys
Speaker 1: come in different shapes and sizes, heights, you know proportions
Speaker 1: and stuff, right? It is important to dress to your
Speaker 1: proportion too, don't you
Speaker 2: think? I completely agree with that and I mean on
Speaker 2: behalf of all the guys out there, it's a bit
Speaker 2: difficult to understand
Speaker 2: your own proportions
Speaker 1: even down to the length of the shirt with the
Speaker 1: blazer and stuff
Speaker 2: just because like guys just don't spend as much time
Speaker 2: figuring this out. I feel like if you go, you know,
Speaker 2: you can have a conversation with your girlfriends about this
Speaker 2: like oh then
Speaker 2: you know if if I'm a girl and ask you
Speaker 2: what should I wear, what should I be wearing and
Speaker 2: I'm quite sure with an army of girls in front
Speaker 2: of me, they'll be like oh your, you know your
Speaker 2: head is the size of this is the size your
Speaker 2: body is, this size should be wearing this, this is
Speaker 2: this is like if you're a guy who can you
Speaker 2: go to for this kind of advice, just like just
Speaker 2: like bro
Speaker 1: and then
Speaker 2: freeze
Speaker 1: it
Speaker 1: funny because we just had some conversations with our other
Speaker 1: guests as well about what we talked about during their
Speaker 1: conversations amongst each other. It never comes to beauty and
Speaker 1: grooming and fashion.
Speaker 2: That's something that you just need to do by yourself
Speaker 2: and surprise people with. So it's hard to figure out
Speaker 2: what works for you. I mean for me and not
Speaker 2: that we can cover a lot today, but like some
Speaker 2: simple tips if you haven't had a
Speaker 2: big head right? Right,
Speaker 1: okay.
Speaker 2: I feel like my head is like figure.
Speaker 1: You
Speaker 2: just need to go with oversized clothes because it makes
Speaker 2: your shoulders look broader and your head will look smaller.
Speaker 1: Is that why you wearing oversized denim jacket?
Speaker 2: That's one reason. Okay, so that's like figuring out figuring
Speaker 2: out what works for you, right? If you have like
Speaker 2: if you're like a bit more strangely the types of
Speaker 2: guys that look the best in suits, guys that have
Speaker 2: a very straight cut. So you think that the perfect
Speaker 2: male body is that V shape?
Speaker 1: Oh you mean like the in with the muscles on
Speaker 1: the
Speaker 2: broad shoulders very tight ways? But actually people like that don't,
Speaker 2: they don't look the best in suits because they end
Speaker 2: up being this like space at the side,
Speaker 1: right? And then the arms fill up like the fill
Speaker 1: up the sleeves
Speaker 2: precisely. So interestingly if you're someone who is like that,
Speaker 2: which a lot of people think, oh this is not
Speaker 2: the ideal cut because like your shoulders and your waist,
Speaker 2: like it's just
Speaker 2: about this shape, very blackish. You look very good in
Speaker 2: suits because it falls very nicely and this is the
Speaker 2: type of person that can go to Zara and buy
Speaker 2: like off the rack and look perfect.
Speaker 1: You need to do like an online version of this
Speaker 1: consultant work or something, you know,
Speaker 2: that's basically it, right? You look at the mirror and
Speaker 2: be like okay, where it's very, very small and unfortunately
Speaker 2: this is something that we all have to live with, right?
Speaker 2: It's not like we can go to plastic surgery and
Speaker 2: change the size of our head
Speaker 1: exactly your height,
Speaker 2: right? So there's one way to go about it for
Speaker 2: guys which is to work out more. You have very
Speaker 2: tiny shoulders that you feel like you look better being
Speaker 2: more filled up when you wear clothes then hit the gym,
Speaker 2: but that's something you don't want to do, it's not
Speaker 2: something you're inclined to that's perfectly fine to just have
Speaker 2: find clothes that fit you a little bit more and
Speaker 2: there are so many types of design aesthetics out there,
Speaker 2: right, very thin guys, a lot of japanese guys are
Speaker 2: very thin, they don't have a gym in culture,
Speaker 1: it looks
Speaker 2: very stylish and there's a certain way that they dress
Speaker 2: that feels very casual dress down but it seems very
Speaker 2: comfortable and
Speaker 1: effortless, effortless,
Speaker 2: that's very suitable for singaporeans actually, I
Speaker 1: think I think also sometimes I don't know whether it's
Speaker 1: specific to Asia as well.
Speaker 1: There's a larger amount of guys who are maybe not
Speaker 1: as tall as you know, people in the US or
Speaker 1: maybe even Korea, not sure what the situation is over there.
Speaker 1: But I have a couple of guy friends who feel
Speaker 1: very insecure about their height
Speaker 1: and I think for guys it might be even tougher
Speaker 1: to dress for your height. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Because for girls who can wear heels, you know, I,
Speaker 1: I usually what I do is like I wear longer
Speaker 1: pants or whatever and then you drop it down to
Speaker 1: the floor, you instantly look taller. But for guys it's tough.
Speaker 1: Like that one is a tough one.
Speaker 2: So with short guys, Right. I mean if you happen
Speaker 2: to be a little bit more like
Speaker 1: you have a tip for this, okay, I'm
Speaker 2: ready. Most like stock ish. Right. I think you can
Speaker 2: go
Speaker 2: for that Hawaiian prints anything that's printed a short sleeve
Speaker 2: button down soft t shirt that allow, it is very,
Speaker 2: very nicely on your body and you look a bit
Speaker 2: larger than life.
Speaker 1: Oh, so it's distraction technique. I'm
Speaker 2: not actually short.
Speaker 1: I've actually just
Speaker 2: look at the flamingos.
Speaker 1: Yes, pineapples, flamingoes. Oh my God. Okay, so on that
Speaker 1: note then what is the one essential item you think
Speaker 1: all men should have in their closet.
Speaker 1: If you could narrow it down to an essential item
Speaker 1: if you have a few is fine as
Speaker 2: well.
Speaker 1: It's like where do I start? I have like 20
Speaker 1: essential items are all
Speaker 2: important. I think
Speaker 1: what I said was true. What I said was true
Speaker 2: basic pieces are very very important right? Like a black
Speaker 2: t shirt and a white t shirt basically with anything
Speaker 2: black shorts, white shots. They also go with everything.
Speaker 2: Makes a match, right? You're like all the standard colors.
Speaker 2: Your your cream color, your your black your white your gray.
Speaker 2: You know this is just like makes a match every day.
Speaker 2: You just have to find something that's fitting
Speaker 1: right?
Speaker 2: So maybe you can go to there's nothing wrong with
Speaker 2: buying a unique low if it works for your body shape.
Speaker 2: But the harsh reality is that some people can't wear,
Speaker 2: you know like I can't wear most of the basic
Speaker 2: tees because they don't fit me. Oh
Speaker 1: you have broad shoulders,
Speaker 2: they're just too short
Speaker 1: or the length.
Speaker 2: So whether the L. XL right? It just
Speaker 1: doesn't make a difference,
Speaker 2: right? Because the cutting is not suitable for me. So
Speaker 2: even though like and I've seen guys look fantastic. Right?
Speaker 2: So it's not about the brand is about me not
Speaker 2: being in the weather's brand. So if you want to
Speaker 2: buy some essentials then you have to find a brand
Speaker 2: that suits you. So it's about going on that journey right?
Speaker 2: And whether whether it's just a plain white t shirt
Speaker 2: it can white teachers that look good on you and
Speaker 2: what teachers look very bad
Speaker 1: for sure. 100%. And on the note of Unico, I
Speaker 1: just have to not a sponsored post, but they have
Speaker 1: the best seamless underwear. Okay sisters out there. Seriously? And
Speaker 1: they have seamless for men now. F. Y. I because okay,
Speaker 1: I know that camera guys here who are like, what
Speaker 1: is she talking about? No visible panty lines. Okay. Even
Speaker 1: for men,
Speaker 1: it's true. Like, you know, some some outfits that you
Speaker 1: wear over some materials sometimes when you're going to like
Speaker 1: beach party in Miami or something, don't go and wear
Speaker 1: like some hush puppies underwear or like what? Okay, let's
Speaker 1: like navy blue or something. And I can see it
Speaker 1: through your like white pants,
Speaker 2: white shorts and the beach. And then you were like
Speaker 2: black color underwear.
Speaker 1: It's
Speaker 2: not exactly
Speaker 1: asking for it. So you know, close seamless underwear for
Speaker 1: men and for women, you know, next episode. I'm actually
Speaker 2: very curious what would you want in? I mean, I
Speaker 2: know the answer. She's going to say like a white
Speaker 2: pressed shirt,
Speaker 1: well fitted white shirt, but
Speaker 2: beyond that. What do you expect out of a man's closet?
Speaker 1: Wow. I mean that's an interesting one. So let me
Speaker 1: let me share with you how I changed my partners.
Speaker 1: You should do like a
Speaker 2: renovated, but like I
Speaker 1: know, right? Yeah,
Speaker 2: Estonia's I
Speaker 1: that's the thing. So when I, when I met him,
Speaker 1: he already looked like, you know, you look presentable, there
Speaker 1: was something that would change, but it's okay, so so
Speaker 2: moderately acceptable.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He, he did walk out in a, in a
Speaker 1: white shirt and like well fit pants and stuff and
Speaker 1: you know, I know that for sure. This guy kind
Speaker 1: of knows what he's doing. Like he definitely got it
Speaker 1: tailored because he's like a working professional. Um he used
Speaker 1: to work in a bank and stuff, so I knew
Speaker 1: that he definitely has an eye for it, but the
Speaker 1: haircut was one thing and okay, before you think all
Speaker 1: guys have someone just go QB house one time, $10
Speaker 1: is it still $10 or is it like 15 now?
Speaker 1: I have
Speaker 2: no idea, it's
Speaker 1: probably probably more expensive now.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing, a lot of people do that
Speaker 1: because it's accessible, it's affordable and there's nothing wrong with
Speaker 1: that but a haircut can make all the difference, I feel.
Speaker 1: So I brought him to my hairstylist who's very good
Speaker 1: at men's cuts. Okay? And he was like, oh, do
Speaker 1: I really have to go because I've been going to
Speaker 1: this barber barber,
Speaker 1: nothing more bubbles, but he's
Speaker 2: been going to the
Speaker 1: Yes, no, I'm not kidding since he was a child.
Speaker 1: And I said, Okay. But the thing is he's doing
Speaker 1: the same haircut for you as he would maybe as
Speaker 1: you were, you know, 20 years old or 18, so
Speaker 1: you don't have to change it up and make a difference.
Speaker 1: So he said, Okay, give it a chance-based five times
Speaker 1: more probably to go to the hair stylist. I go
Speaker 1: to
Speaker 1: got a haircut. He never turned back because he was like,
Speaker 1: everyone's complimenting him. Yeah, everyone was saying you look so different.
Speaker 1: What did you do? And he was like, oh, nothing much.
Speaker 1: But I was like, bit it was a haircut okay
Speaker 1: that I brought you to,
Speaker 1: but it does make a big difference. You know, just
Speaker 1: the little touches, maybe even the size, even the way
Speaker 1: you style your hair. For example, you put thought into it,
Speaker 1: of
Speaker 2: course, and that's the thing with gentlemen out there. It's really,
Speaker 2: some know the smallest of things can make the huge,
Speaker 2: the biggest differences. Think of changing your hair.
Speaker 2: Think of, I don't know, perhaps going for a facial.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. So
Speaker 2: I actually suffer from like really sensitive skin. So my
Speaker 2: skin is very prone to breakouts. And that's why, you know,
Speaker 2: some little, like makeup gadgets, like a concealer, even some foundation.
Speaker 2: They just make a world of difference. That being said
Speaker 2: if you or someone out there who suffers from such
Speaker 2: issues is not just about your skin care routine. It's
Speaker 2: also about your diet and
Speaker 2: perhaps some underlying conditions. So you can do a few things, right?
Speaker 2: You can speak to a nutritionist or go to a
Speaker 2: dermatologist because they'll be able to advise you on whether
Speaker 2: or not you have some something that you don't know about. Yes,
Speaker 2: that's causing all the agony.
Speaker 1: No. 100%. I used to suffer from acne actually when
Speaker 1: I was a teenager and it stretched all the way
Speaker 1: till I was in poly. So when
Speaker 1: into my adult years a little bit. And you know,
Speaker 1: that was when I started meeting guys, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my God, I'm hideous. I'm like, I don't want
Speaker 1: to go out that that feeling. I
Speaker 2: cannot imagine like that.
Speaker 1: Yes, I will find photos or did I delete them?
Speaker 1: I don't know
Speaker 2: what did not happen. But were you like on like,
Speaker 1: so I did everything like antibiotics. Um What was the
Speaker 1: anti that starts with a D I can't remember anymore.
Speaker 1: And then a form of Accutane
Speaker 2: doxycycline.
Speaker 1: Doxycycline. Yeah. Look at us pharmacist,
Speaker 2: It's not uncommon for people to you know, use medication
Speaker 2: to combat against skin issues. And if you're somebody who
Speaker 2: is like, you know, you go to like Watson and
Speaker 2: you bought like, I don't know, 20 balls of oxy
Speaker 2: and it still doesn't work then perhaps you consider not
Speaker 2: going from outside but from the inside and speaking to
Speaker 2: a dermatologist would definitely help you with that and doesn't
Speaker 2: really have to be those expensive like skin clinics, you
Speaker 2: can also go to national skin center.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They have fantastic doctors and the medicine is a
Speaker 2: lot cheaper? It's all these small little things that can
Speaker 2: potentially change your look 1 80 right. Are you willing
Speaker 2: to kind of like put that foot out to try it? Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a decision that people have to make, right. It's
Speaker 2: honestly not that difficult, but it takes a lot of
Speaker 2: kind of identify
Speaker 1: it. You need to identify these things and, and on
Speaker 1: that note of, you know, small touches. Right? But nothing
Speaker 1: that was
Speaker 1: to say is um, you know, glasses actually make a
Speaker 1: big difference to like the choice of frames. Okay, So,
Speaker 1: so so my partner wears glasses and I like him
Speaker 1: with glasses because I like the slightly nerdy, you know,
Speaker 1: like look and with the white shirt always like, you know, Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: so he wore these like glasses that are very thin rimmed,
Speaker 1: you know, those like almost seamless. I was like sister,
Speaker 1: these are no la cannot. I was like this one
Speaker 1: not very fashionable
Speaker 1: either
Speaker 2: that or like, you know, the army like black
Speaker 1: frames together.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It looks no, it doesn't know for you. Is
Speaker 2: it? Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I got him to go like, you know, just
Speaker 1: own this or whatever, wherever they have fashionable frames just
Speaker 1: go see and I'm like, okay, this one looks, looks
Speaker 1: much cooler. It makes you look so much younger as well.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden you're faces lifted. You know, and
Speaker 1: it's not even about wanting to look 10 years younger.
Speaker 1: It's about looking fresher. So these small touches make a difference,
Speaker 2: spectacles or glasses. That is another look in your arsenal setback.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. Some
Speaker 2: people are like, ok, I'm just going to laser, I'm
Speaker 2: going to context and then I go home, I'm going
Speaker 2: to put on my nerdy glasses. Why the glasses have
Speaker 2: been nerdy? Or if you're, if it's going to be nerdy,
Speaker 2: then you look like a hot nerd.
Speaker 1: Exactly. That's I dig that. I dig that. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: these small touches definitely making a world of difference. Right?
Speaker 1: Any other articles of clothing that's very important to you
Speaker 1: in your wardrobe or
Speaker 1: or that's about
Speaker 2: it? I think a good single, it's very important.
Speaker 1: Single. It's
Speaker 2: because like with layer dressing, right?
Speaker 1: I don't want to perspire. Like
Speaker 2: if you don't want to wear something that's too thick,
Speaker 2: I can imagine you wear a sweater, like a hoodie
Speaker 2: and then you wear
Speaker 1: a jacket on top,
Speaker 2: you wear a jacket on top because you want to
Speaker 2: layer it. How hot would you be? Right? So why
Speaker 2: don't you just wear a singlet or
Speaker 1: tank instead? And
Speaker 2: then you can layer on and if it really gets
Speaker 2: very hot, just take it off. But you have to
Speaker 2: go to the gym.
Speaker 1: Yeah. All kind of goes back to seeing you at
Speaker 1: the gym anyway at some point, Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining us on this really fun topic that we
Speaker 1: had here today. You know, it was a pleasure. It's
Speaker 1: the thing is you don't realize that these things also
Speaker 1: can contribute to a person's confidence, a person's life, you know,
Speaker 1: relationship and stuff like that. People underestimate these things, right? Okay.
Speaker 1: Before we wrap things up, any last tips you want
Speaker 1: to share with our sometimes clueless men out there.
Speaker 2: I think with guys really just don't be afraid to
Speaker 2: look good. Right? Yes, there's still that stigma about like
Speaker 2: if you know, if you care too much about your appearance,
Speaker 2: about what you wear about makeup and skincare and
Speaker 1: so feminine,
Speaker 2: very feminine. But it's a lot, it's really beyond that.
Speaker 2: I think we've come to the point where we are
Speaker 2: progressive enough to understand that, you know, people should just
Speaker 2: embrace their self expression, right? So
Speaker 2: you know, along that train of thought. If your self
Speaker 2: expression is to really stay at home and like wear
Speaker 2: pajamas every day, like that's perfectly fine too. But if
Speaker 2: you are part of that group that you keep thinking
Speaker 2: how I'm not very comfortable with how I look and
Speaker 2: I just feel like there's something I can do, but
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what I can exactly act on. And
Speaker 2: this is the time for you to, you know, look
Speaker 2: at yourself more and figure
Speaker 2: and if you can't figure out by yourself and ask
Speaker 2: people and don't be afraid to take that first step
Speaker 2: to change it because then you realize that you're a
Speaker 2: lot more than you think you are.
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's a very good tip, Very good
Speaker 1: point and I think the clarity team should consider getting
Speaker 1: it in an eye on for a makeover series. We
Speaker 1: just get some people make them over. I'm sure you
Speaker 1: have so much fun with it.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I know some friends that would be happy to
Speaker 2: sign up.
Speaker 1: Okay. Okay well thank you for sharing your tips and
Speaker 1: you know you always look so fabulous. You follow him
Speaker 1: up on social media. He always looks great. So thank
Speaker 1: you for joining us. Finally we made this happen.
Speaker 2: Yes, I have lost my version. Experience them and explain
Speaker 2: and now I can look forward the second time. Hopefully
Speaker 2: not like 34 years
Speaker 1: later. No, no, no definitely will be sooner and we'll
Speaker 1: get a juicier topic for you as well.
Speaker 2: So why not this?
Speaker 1: Just a warm up. Thank you so much for listening
Speaker 1: to this episode of Men explain. Aidan you are such
Speaker 1: a treat. Thank you for the tips and tricks my
Speaker 2: pleasure. Yes,
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