WEBVTT - On the chore war between men and women

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, what's up with Sonja? Welcome to yet another episode

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<v Speaker 1>of Men explain

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<v Speaker 1>today we have Mr funny guy right here who's making

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<v Speaker 1>me laugh even before he started talking,

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<v Speaker 2>it's government saying hi everybody good to be here. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so happy to be here in case you don't know

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<v Speaker 2>who I am. I'm the guy who plays Portugal in

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<v Speaker 2>case you're wondering who's Portugal? He's the guy who says

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<v Speaker 2>hello everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is in Singapore JB and something about them.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't pray pray

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<v Speaker 1>wow, hearing that in real life it's different. We're all

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<v Speaker 1>about the chore wars here today. Especially I think for

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<v Speaker 1>partners who just moved in with each other and all that.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you were seeking some guidance. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>well you've come to the wrong place. I have to

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<v Speaker 2>just put it out. Their first title is chore wars

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't have any wars with with chores and

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<v Speaker 2>chores or with my wife about chores. I mean there's

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<v Speaker 2>so many things here and there. I think what you're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get is that maybe he doesn't like to

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<v Speaker 2>do chores at all

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<v Speaker 1>actually do you or do you not do you do

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<v Speaker 1>do you like doing chores?

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<v Speaker 2>There's a sense of achievement and gratification if the floor

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<v Speaker 2>is dirty and dusty, I sweep it or vacuum it

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<v Speaker 2>mop it dry and I see

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<v Speaker 2>it's shine.

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<v Speaker 1>I can finally see my reflection again. Yeah. Wait what?

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<v Speaker 1>No. So

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<v Speaker 2>I like doing choice because I feel that is achievement

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<v Speaker 2>at the end, there's a goal at the end and

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes I kid you not depending on which house I

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<v Speaker 2>was before there was one house where I had a

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<v Speaker 2>nice view outside the kitchen window and when I'm washing

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<v Speaker 2>my dishes,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in a trance. Like today I did this and

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<v Speaker 2>I think I did that, I know life is about

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<v Speaker 2>and I just go off tangent,

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost like a meditative state for it is, it

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<v Speaker 2>is, it is for dishwashing.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, But what about other chores?

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<v Speaker 2>Other chores? I'm fine with it too. I think maybe

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<v Speaker 2>because the way I was brought up in the prison

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<v Speaker 2>and

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<v Speaker 2>what we're learning a lot of new things from just

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<v Speaker 2>watched Megamind. So the baby was born in prison if

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<v Speaker 2>you watched the movie, you know what I'm saying? But

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<v Speaker 2>my mom who was mostly home, my father was out

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<v Speaker 2>doing jobs, my mom would give us work to do

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<v Speaker 2>household chores and there was no ifs and buts about

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<v Speaker 2>it compared to the school mop the floor. We all

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<v Speaker 2>were allocated different chores. So I was the mopping guy

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<v Speaker 2>and mopping meaning more acid on the four on four

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<v Speaker 2>with Cinderella style Cinderella with the red one is my life.

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<v Speaker 2>So first is the soap one must come back with

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<v Speaker 2>the water. One must completely dry 13 times. I'm so

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<v Speaker 2>glad we live in a one room. HdB flat.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so happy that I think about it actually, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so glad

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<v Speaker 1>you advantages. I know it's pretty interesting to you because

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned earlier that you know chores isn't kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that you don't fight about even, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>even have any sort of fights over that. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>it's funny to know that it is at the top

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<v Speaker 1>of the list of things couples fight about. Especially I

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<v Speaker 1>think in this day and age

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<v Speaker 2>it's more than finance and extramarital affairs and chewing bubblegum

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<v Speaker 2>while you're showering, right? You have that. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. Speaking

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<v Speaker 1>from experience or know

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes you don't like the bubble.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not really, really

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<v Speaker 2>Is the # one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. For me, actually, I myself, I'll bring up my

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<v Speaker 1>own experiences. I think a lot of the fights that

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<v Speaker 1>I've had with my partner have been over chores,

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<v Speaker 1>I actually come from

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<v Speaker 1>background, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna be shy about this. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really do chores. I'm just gonna straight up

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<v Speaker 1>admit it. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>fess up. We're not judging you. We all come from

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<v Speaker 2>different backgrounds, write some more privilege.

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<v Speaker 1>So,

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't know whether it's not, I'm not from

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<v Speaker 1>a rich family or anything, but you know, my parents,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they spoiled me because I'm the only child

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<v Speaker 1>and then they're like, if I just want a bit

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<v Speaker 1>about like not wanting to do something like, okay. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I just like, okay, leave it. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>daddy's going on there, I don't know whether that's the thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but possibly possibly. So then when I moved in and started,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, living more with my current partner, he was

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<v Speaker 1>very surprised. He was like, hey, like you want to

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<v Speaker 1>help me for the close today or what kind of

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<v Speaker 1>thing I'm like, okay, I'll do it. I'll be like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll do it. But it's not my number one thing

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<v Speaker 1>on the list to do.

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<v Speaker 2>But don't you see that as a bonding time when

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<v Speaker 2>the two of you are falling close, it could lead

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<v Speaker 2>to what lovemaking,

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<v Speaker 1>what how it's like literally one of my most obviously

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<v Speaker 1>what

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<v Speaker 2>turned the head into lovemaking and then after a while

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<v Speaker 2>you won't hit the troll anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to psychology

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<v Speaker 1>wow. This is what I signed up for. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>like why go to the counselor when you have a

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<v Speaker 1>clinic outside basically the same clinic. Okay. Wait. So if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't fight about chores then what do you guys

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<v Speaker 1>fight

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<v Speaker 2>with?

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<v Speaker 2>We don't fight about the choice per se, but we

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<v Speaker 2>fight about the methodology and maybe how for example when

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<v Speaker 2>I do my dishes, right, I have my own way

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<v Speaker 2>of doing dishes. But when she does the dishes, she

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<v Speaker 2>has her own way and that's when we can get

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<v Speaker 2>into a disagreement and say why are you doing this?

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<v Speaker 2>And said, well, I think this is quite good. But

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<v Speaker 2>of course she has some valid reasons to be upset

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<v Speaker 2>because I used to, I'm in control. Now I have,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in control. I used to wash the dishes like there,

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<v Speaker 2>there was fire in the house. My water is shoe

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<v Speaker 2>blocks and I'm going like water splashing everywhere and then

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<v Speaker 2>putting the dishes, the water is still going on in,

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<v Speaker 2>the water's going. And she said, why are you still

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<v Speaker 2>doing the water

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<v Speaker 1>running, wasting water? You're doing the dishes, You're putting

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<v Speaker 2>dishes there while you're running that. I said, when you

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<v Speaker 2>come back in one second,

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<v Speaker 2>it won't

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<v Speaker 1>hurt us. So let me guess. She's the kind that

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<v Speaker 1>likes to soak everything first and then

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<v Speaker 2>rinse it off. She will have a little nice ah

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<v Speaker 2>bucket or something like a plastic plastic trading and then

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<v Speaker 2>there's water collector, there's soap in there and then dishes

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<v Speaker 2>go in there. I don't like that because then

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<v Speaker 2>everything else that wasn't really becomes is infected. Yes. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>In this day and age, that's very important to note.

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<v Speaker 1>I know this sounds very superficial, but I want my

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<v Speaker 1>hands to be dry. So I'll wear gloves when I

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<v Speaker 1>wash the dishes. Okay. Because I'm like, I want my

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<v Speaker 1>cuticles to get dry?

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<v Speaker 1>He's just 100% judging right now. Like my cuticles dry

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<v Speaker 1>out really easily. Okay. I think you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>put about that. Have you heard you

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<v Speaker 2>heard about the cuticle problems that could arise in?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, it's a clinic right here. Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I just got everything diagnosed during this session

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<v Speaker 2>that you can't even walk in the sun because you're

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<v Speaker 2>my cuticles ok with, you know, buckets of on that

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<v Speaker 1>note, I wear gloves when I, when you're doing nothing

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<v Speaker 1>wrong with that. I think a lot of people actually

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<v Speaker 1>do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people do that because they have skin reaction to

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<v Speaker 2>a detergent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Okay. So in response to that, my boyfriend usually says,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that because you wear the gloves when you

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<v Speaker 1>wash your dishes, you can't feel whether the plate is

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<v Speaker 1>still oily, so you, you you agree why?

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<v Speaker 2>It's not to agree. This can't be, I can't disagree

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<v Speaker 2>because

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<v Speaker 1>it's a fact. I try to scrub it as much

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<v Speaker 1>as I can. Then I wash it off and it

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<v Speaker 1>looks clean to me. It looks upon touching it dishwashing,

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<v Speaker 1>dishwashing about feelings. Okay. Okay. So I cannot wear gloves. No. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Here are the top 10 most hated chores. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to state them out and then you tell me what

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<v Speaker 1>you like and what you don't like. Okay, Okay, cleaning

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<v Speaker 1>the toilet. Okay. You, I'm okay because I have to

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't want a dirty toilet. So yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>I don't love it. Who loves clean the toilet? Right.

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<v Speaker 2>What? Okay. Clean toilet and laundry, which is worse for you,

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<v Speaker 1>wow, That's a tough one.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Did you hear that? I don't mind cleaning the

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<v Speaker 1>toilet actually because my toilet's not that dirty. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>that

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<v Speaker 2>because cleaning every two hours and you're

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<v Speaker 1>like, okay, I'm just waiting. Excellent work. Yes. Yes. And

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<v Speaker 1>I get paid 10 cents every time when someone comes

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<v Speaker 1>into Okay, okay, what else, cleaning stove tops and oven

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<v Speaker 1>and all the kitchen stuff when it

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<v Speaker 2>shines when you clean up and it shines.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm okay with it. Because like after you cook right,

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<v Speaker 1>usually a soft top gets a bit greasy and oily.

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<v Speaker 1>I will want to wipe it off immediately after cooking

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<v Speaker 1>because they accumulate

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<v Speaker 2>after eating or before eating

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<v Speaker 2>after eating right? So that's not really immediately,

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<v Speaker 1>almost immediately rappelling. Technicality. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Prolong lee immediately. So you're okay with that

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<v Speaker 1>dusting I suppose falls in with sweeping and vacuuming vacuuming.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like because of the noise. Okay, sweeping I

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<v Speaker 2>don't like because the dust just everywhere

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<v Speaker 2>Dustin is simple works because it just gets on you.

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<v Speaker 1>Right? But you actually have to dust sweep then vacuum.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, basically going to do the right in that

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<v Speaker 2>order. I mean, you know, how does your houses now?

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<v Speaker 2>But

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you don't want to know mopping.

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<v Speaker 2>I love mopping.

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<v Speaker 1>You love mopping Okay, What is it like? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>do like listen to a podcast while you mop or

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<v Speaker 2>this podcast? Always looking to this podcast? I know she's

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<v Speaker 2>trying to

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<v Speaker 1>you're saving this

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<v Speaker 2>market this podcast. Yeah. No, I think what some people

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<v Speaker 2>don't understand is that if you play music in the background,

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<v Speaker 2>it becomes more enjoyable, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 1>So you dance. You know, I'm not Tootsie,

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<v Speaker 1>I actually does a little sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>when you're doing what vacuuming.

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<v Speaker 1>But how

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<v Speaker 2>do you, because your phone is not

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<v Speaker 1>like a typical I mean, yeah, like no, no, that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's good. Right, that's

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<v Speaker 1>good grocery shopping and cooking

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<v Speaker 2>cooking. I'm scared because I don't want my family die

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<v Speaker 2>of food poisoning. But

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<v Speaker 2>But 2015 January when I left the TV station full time,

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<v Speaker 2>I had more time at home. So one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things I wanted to do was to try to cook

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<v Speaker 2>for them. So I just, I started with soup. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just water and you go

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<v Speaker 1>wrong, right, boil it, It

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<v Speaker 2>was too salty. What?

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<v Speaker 1>So was that chicken, salted vegetables,

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<v Speaker 2>chicken soup. I put potatoes, carrots and then a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of chicken in there, which I didn't know you had

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<v Speaker 2>to the skin

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<v Speaker 2>because then all the oil gets into the super,

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<v Speaker 2>I was in Saudi Arabia oil. What the heck is

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<v Speaker 2>this my wife? How do you cook this? Then I

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<v Speaker 2>explained to her that she's like, no. So ever since

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<v Speaker 2>that fateful encounter, I've always referred to Jamie Oliver or

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<v Speaker 2>was the guy with the angry guy,

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<v Speaker 1>Hell's kitchen guy? Gordon Ramsay.

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<v Speaker 2>When Ramsay, I watched a youtube how to make a

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<v Speaker 2>salmon and

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<v Speaker 1>usually they give you like quite simple to stand instructions.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've learned to cook pasta with mussels

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<v Speaker 2>with red wine.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow!

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<v Speaker 2>White wine. White wine wine. Wrongly

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<v Speaker 1>red wine. Okay. I was just curious to know

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<v Speaker 2>and I used people like the whole bottle in. So

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<v Speaker 2>my wife gets drunk after that.

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<v Speaker 1>Alright then she'll be okay to do all the chores.

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<v Speaker 1>Last other other chores. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, cleaning windows and other things. Do you have gutters

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<v Speaker 1>in your house?

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<v Speaker 2>There was a time to live in a house where

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<v Speaker 2>we had a huge garden and they would leave everywhere

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<v Speaker 2>every day and I just enjoy using a rig just

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<v Speaker 2>to sweep the leaves into a pile and put in

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<v Speaker 2>a black plastic bag or bring it to the side

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<v Speaker 2>and decomposed, decomposed, decomposed, put in a compost pile, decomposed

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<v Speaker 2>zoo

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<v Speaker 2>compost in the compost bin.

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<v Speaker 1>This is starting to be very intelligent, intelligent podcast. Just

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<v Speaker 1>like we set it out to be anything that your

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<v Speaker 1>wife does that you don't like like a pet peeve

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<v Speaker 1>or something. Aside from the dishwashing thing

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<v Speaker 1>that you mentioned earlier, this can be even your earlier days.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's her pet peeve, My pet peeve of her.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that

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<v Speaker 2>when she does her chores, right. She doesn't put back

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<v Speaker 2>the things where it's supposed to be so like simple,

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<v Speaker 2>simple thing, basin is there, there's a holder with the

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<v Speaker 2>sponge for the dishwashing chore. I take it out, I

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<v Speaker 2>wash dishes, I put it back, I come back the

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<v Speaker 2>next day, the day after that is always there

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<v Speaker 2>when she's done the dishes. I can't,

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<v Speaker 2>it's gone and it's either at the bottom of the

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<v Speaker 2>basin or somewhere else or is in the other basic.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know why you went there because there's another sponge

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<v Speaker 2>there anyway. And then I like where is that? Then

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<v Speaker 2>she said just look under somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you addressed it, did she change or she

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<v Speaker 1>continues to know.

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<v Speaker 2>No, she she tries. I mean we're all we're all

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<v Speaker 2>not perfect. We were like, oh yeah, why do you

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<v Speaker 2>do that? Okay. So, but still once in a while

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<v Speaker 2>I see a pile of dishes and then the sponges

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<v Speaker 2>right at the bottom.

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<v Speaker 1>To be honest. I think that's jeremy's pet peeve about

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<v Speaker 1>me as well because I don't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Not necessarily the sponge, but other things sometimes. But the

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<v Speaker 1>vacuum cleaner vacuum, how do you know? God? Like the

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<v Speaker 1>vacuum cleaner? Sometimes I'm vacuuming like the living and then

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<v Speaker 1>I leave it there. Leave

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<v Speaker 2>it there. My wife does that to

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<v Speaker 1>its growth thing. I don't know because vacuum

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<v Speaker 2>cleaners, I use the Dyson. Right. Yes. It is chargeable. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't put it back to the charger, it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't get charged up. So when I want to use

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<v Speaker 2>the vacuum that I go to the store and open,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no

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<v Speaker 2>where do you go? It's supposed to be charging here.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like the household house. Finally find it lying

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<v Speaker 2>down in the corner under the

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<v Speaker 1>bed. Just waiting for someone to find I'm dying. Normal

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<v Speaker 1>help when I pick

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<v Speaker 2>it up and die.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, man. Leave a comment. Let us know.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think it's like a man woman thing. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I have no clue like whether this because I seem

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<v Speaker 1>to have, let me ask you a question. Why don't

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<v Speaker 1>you put it back?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. How many

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<v Speaker 2>stories do you have?

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<v Speaker 1>Just one live in a small apartment?

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<v Speaker 1>So I know where it is, what in my mind?

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<v Speaker 1>I know where it is, but you still don't want to.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean sometimes I put it back. I tried to

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<v Speaker 1>I tried because I know that he doesn't like it

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<v Speaker 1>because

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that you say you live in an apartment

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<v Speaker 2>right at one level, it boggles my mind that you

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to bring your laundry to the washing machine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just, I don't know. I just don't enjoy

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<v Speaker 1>it necessarily. You know, it's just a personal preference.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't like it when the washing machine opens up

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<v Speaker 2>and it's done and you smell the nice clean, it

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<v Speaker 1>smells great. Like I'm like, oh man, this means I

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<v Speaker 1>have to hang it up. Which is like

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<v Speaker 1>you see negativity and everything. You know, just some things

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<v Speaker 1>just like washing the toilet. I said that's true, isn't it? Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's a bonus. That's some good ship. That jeremy,

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<v Speaker 1>you're lucky to have me here.

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<v Speaker 2>Right? I mean, yeah, she takes care of your ship.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you know, I'm just, I'm just I just

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<v Speaker 1>don't want a dirty toilet I think that's the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that

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<v Speaker 2>that grosses you out. So that,

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<v Speaker 1>so that motivates you? Yes. that motivates me. So

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<v Speaker 2>we should get really jeremy, jeremy, jeremy get her gross laundry. No. Really?

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<v Speaker 2>Gross hell no. You know when you walk by, just

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<v Speaker 2>spit on it or just throw some chocolate sauce on the,

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<v Speaker 2>on the dress and she will not run into the machine.

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<v Speaker 2>One

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<v Speaker 1>100% will not happen. But do you well, do you,

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<v Speaker 1>have you come across a situation where like

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<v Speaker 1>maybe even your earlier days when you were dating or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>who is the one that has to remind the other

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<v Speaker 1>a little more when it comes to like doing something? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>can you do this? Can you wash the dishes? Can

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<v Speaker 1>you take it out? Who is the one that has

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<v Speaker 1>to remind the other more? That

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<v Speaker 2>will be my wife because reminding you more because I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to step into her,

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<v Speaker 2>her infrastructure, You know what? She has laid out the

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<v Speaker 2>system and everything. I find that when I do that,

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<v Speaker 2>I usually sabotage her. So I just sit down there

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<v Speaker 2>like a good slave. And then when she says, come

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<v Speaker 2>here you, when I come in my loin cloth and

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<v Speaker 2>she says do this and oh yeah, today is this

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<v Speaker 2>day to do this, okay, I'll do it.

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<v Speaker 2>I've tried in the past to help out and I

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<v Speaker 2>always sabotage

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<v Speaker 2>So I, you know like why did you do this?

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I thought today, is that no, sorry, why

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<v Speaker 2>did you do this? I thought I already done it.

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<v Speaker 2>You've done already. Oh, sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>So messed up again. So I've been intending

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<v Speaker 2>to, yeah, to avoid conflict. I just, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just hanging by the side ready on the bench to

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<v Speaker 2>be called into play on the field. And then when

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<v Speaker 2>she calls me, hey, can we do the,

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<v Speaker 2>the laundry today?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. You, can you help me? Okay. That means full

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<v Speaker 1>time on it. Wow. Actually this. I'm learning a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of good relationship tips because I think like with a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of younger couples, we tend to fight about small

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<v Speaker 1>things sometimes, you know, when you start living together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And I think even as they're dating now before

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<v Speaker 2>they even married and moved into a house, start talking

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<v Speaker 2>about these things.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the thing until you move in. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>couples who are not married have started to move in together.

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<v Speaker 1>Like prior to even you and jeremy not married, right? No. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And some other friends to like they've started and it's

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<v Speaker 1>the mindset of like, I want to see how this

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<v Speaker 1>person works out right before actually

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<v Speaker 1>settling down. But then I think in a more traditional sense,

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, oh, you just get married and figure it out,

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<v Speaker 1>just not wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>right? If you get the right perspective, these are all

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<v Speaker 2>small things that you can talk about like the classic,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, squeeze the toothpaste from the middle or from

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<v Speaker 2>the end. Which one are you? I am from the

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<v Speaker 2>bottom and squeeze you in the middle. I just,

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<v Speaker 1>just, just squeeze the old, just squeeze wherever it's convenient.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so jeremy is squeezed from the bottom, right?

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm just wherever my hand reaches, I squeeze

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<v Speaker 1>right, but just put it back in the right

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<v Speaker 2>place, a next to the vacuum cleaner, it's on the floor,

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<v Speaker 1>progress.

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<v Speaker 2>But the reason why I brought this up was that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a little tiff like this,

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<v Speaker 2>all it needs is a little conversation, you know, is

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<v Speaker 2>it too hard for you to squeeze on the bottom

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<v Speaker 2>if it is and I'm okay with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Done no more fights anymore. If you keep bringing it

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<v Speaker 2>up and hoping that person change, it's just, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a repeated pattern, repeated behavior then you don't want that,

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<v Speaker 1>right? And it becomes the sort of thing where it

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<v Speaker 1>will bring up other issues that you're unhappy about that

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<v Speaker 1>you swept under the rug? Yes. Yes. So then do

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<v Speaker 1>you try to get your kids to

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<v Speaker 1>do chores and all these kind of things as well

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<v Speaker 1>as contribute

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's something my wife has taken care of when

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<v Speaker 2>they were growing up. You know, I would see them,

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<v Speaker 2>you know doing them whopping or the dishwashing like example

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<v Speaker 2>now I have an eight year old also now and

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<v Speaker 2>what happens during dinner is that she is in charge

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<v Speaker 2>or bring out the plates, the cutlery Zeus and the

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<v Speaker 2>glasses for drinks for the

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<v Speaker 1>family. Okay. Okay. So everyone is designated and given something

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<v Speaker 1>to do. That makes it easier for any of your kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Like resist doing chores.

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<v Speaker 2>Humans sometimes have bad days and bad day at school,

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<v Speaker 2>overnight assignment that they couldn't sleep and they only had

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<v Speaker 2>two hours sleep when they come down to dinner and

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<v Speaker 2>they're like

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<v Speaker 2>really grumpy, like I don't need food, I just need

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<v Speaker 2>to sleep just close one eye line and don't make

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<v Speaker 2>a big deal out of it. Like I expect you

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<v Speaker 2>to come, not happy, I don't care. You know, that

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<v Speaker 2>becomes a whole new problem again and what you can

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<v Speaker 2>do that for

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<v Speaker 1>you, I have some friends who come from very, very

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<v Speaker 1>strict families, right? I don't know whether, you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're listening in right now, you can relate to that

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<v Speaker 1>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Some, some parents obviously they instill an expectation in

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<v Speaker 1>their kids and then they're all like very strict, very

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<v Speaker 1>fierce and it becomes a very unhappy sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And then, you know, you grew up disliking doing all

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<v Speaker 1>these things right. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>key is that from

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<v Speaker 2>from past experience, I I discovered that

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<v Speaker 2>if you do the household chores

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<v Speaker 2>as a couple or as a family, then no one

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<v Speaker 2>feels like they're being punished, Everyone's in, everyone's doing something,

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone's contributing. So it's fine. But when the whole family

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<v Speaker 2>sitting on the sofa and one guy is just doing

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<v Speaker 2>the laundry or doing and then have to do all

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<v Speaker 2>this by myself by myself. Yes, there will be them

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<v Speaker 2>said very sad work with me.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say that so far our episodes and our

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<v Speaker 1>topics have been so different, right? This one

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of like a trigger point for a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people where they fight over these small things that

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<v Speaker 1>eventually become like a huge argument that you cannot control.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a

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<v Speaker 2>keyword. You see small things. These are small things. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't need to be big things that they don't trigger anything.

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<v Speaker 1>So in that sense, if you don't fight about trust,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you still fight about small little things or

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<v Speaker 1>how she

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<v Speaker 2>looks at me and all that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>right,

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<v Speaker 1>Then how do you how do you resolve these arguments?

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<v Speaker 1>Because it could be applicable to other young couples out

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<v Speaker 1>there who fight about these small things, right?

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<v Speaker 2>I think the fact that you you need to find

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<v Speaker 2>the space and time distracted from anything else that you

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<v Speaker 2>can talk without interruptions and then recognize that fight that

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<v Speaker 2>you're having is not worth its value.

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<v Speaker 2>When you put it too much value to the fight,

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<v Speaker 2>then like

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<v Speaker 2>just washing dishes becomes a huge thing. But it's just

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<v Speaker 2>washing dishes, it's not life and death. It's nothing to

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<v Speaker 2>do with our relationship. It's just the way we were

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<v Speaker 2>brought up, we brought up differently. And we didn't need

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<v Speaker 2>to recognize that I heard this from some somebody that

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes in a fight, right?

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<v Speaker 2>It's not because I'm wrong and you're right or you're

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<v Speaker 2>wrong and I'm right. It's because we're both right.

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<v Speaker 2>Really because we come from different backgrounds. That's an interesting

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<v Speaker 2>way of seeing, right? We come from different backgrounds, different

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<v Speaker 2>belief systems, different everything.

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<v Speaker 2>So that when we come to this point, we both

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<v Speaker 2>believe we are right. We have a third party so

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<v Speaker 2>that they wouldn't even think, yeah, actually, both of you, right?

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<v Speaker 2>It's just that you have different ways of doing things. So,

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<v Speaker 1>on that note, I mean, we were doing some reading

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<v Speaker 1>from this psychologist as well that said, you know, sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>when you fight about these small things, as we have mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>right chores, for example, it's never really about the chores

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<v Speaker 1>or that small issue at that point in time, it

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<v Speaker 1>shows that maybe perhaps you have a bigger issue at hand, right?

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<v Speaker 1>It could be it could be the trigger that brings

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<v Speaker 1>out a lot of these deeper emotions and feelings, right?

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<v Speaker 2>If other issues that you really want to handle it,

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<v Speaker 2>but you don't want to handle it right now. But

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<v Speaker 2>then because that this is happening, channel it through that place,

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<v Speaker 1>Right? Exactly. Yeah. But then, so if that happens, how

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<v Speaker 1>do you then diffuse that situation? Because it would seem

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<v Speaker 1>like you might need to go for couples therapy or something,

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<v Speaker 1>if it goes on for

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<v Speaker 1>for too long. Right?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, okay. I'm glad you brought it up, couples

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<v Speaker 2>go for couples therapy. I don't think we should stigmatize it. No,

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<v Speaker 2>of course not. So if it comes to a point

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<v Speaker 2>where they find that they cannot every time

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<v Speaker 2>resolve their issues, then they recognize that that's a good

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<v Speaker 2>thing because they recognize something else is happening in the

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<v Speaker 2>back burner. Let's go address that we need a third

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<v Speaker 2>party to unbiased person to find out what that is

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<v Speaker 2>and then solve that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think bravo to you, if you have a

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<v Speaker 2>couple to decide, okay, let's go and have couples therapy.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we are at the

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<v Speaker 2>and in the environment where mental health is really getting

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<v Speaker 2>attacked from all levels of course, and we need the

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<v Speaker 2>proper tools, the proper professionals to help us navigate.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree. And in a previous episode that jeremy was

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<v Speaker 1>actually on, we did mention that we did go for

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of sessions of therapy together and it's not

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<v Speaker 1>because like we were on the brink of like breaking

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<v Speaker 1>up or like you know, it's not that kind of thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but sometimes you just need some introspection and you want

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<v Speaker 1>to find out a better way of communicating because we

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<v Speaker 1>see a bigger future ahead of us, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean? And then you just want to revisit and

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<v Speaker 1>like have ground hog day on certain things right?

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<v Speaker 2>And it helps so that when the couple goes meet

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<v Speaker 2>this other counselor with a third party, whatever the party says,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't seem biased exactly your ideas, but my my idea,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just this person has an idea that has been

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<v Speaker 2>tried and tested.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, let's use that. Yes. So which also brings us

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<v Speaker 1>back to the point where you mentioned sometimes you could

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<v Speaker 1>both be right, you just see things very differently and

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I also discovered in those therapy sessions,

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<v Speaker 1>which is great. So I mean I highly encourage that

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<v Speaker 1>and recommend that too, especially in this day and age

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<v Speaker 1>when you got a bit of cabin fever sometimes if

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<v Speaker 1>you know, couples moved in during the pandemic because they

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<v Speaker 1>want to be together during that time and then they

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<v Speaker 1>don't realize because you have not lived together before and

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<v Speaker 1>then suddenly everything comes up during that confined period of time.

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<v Speaker 1>What is one thing that you would tell our audience before?

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<v Speaker 1>Um say moving in with your

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<v Speaker 2>partner

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of times as a couple when we were dating,

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<v Speaker 2>we talked about

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<v Speaker 2>our dreams like what you want to be in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of career in terms of finance, but then the other

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that we should talk about also, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's helpful when we talk about mundane things like household chores,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, on a date, you could ask your date,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like when you're growing up, what was it

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<v Speaker 2>like even doing household chores and then you have an

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<v Speaker 2>understanding of where that person is coming from and likewise

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<v Speaker 2>you share the information as well. I think the more

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<v Speaker 2>information you share before you move in, the better it is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in that conversation also you might find out

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<v Speaker 2>so you squeeze the whole to squeeze from the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom and that's interesting to cancel this person.

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<v Speaker 2>But then then then then then that provokes a conversation

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<v Speaker 2>about what we can do about this would have been

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<v Speaker 2>an issue. And you know, for all, you know, your

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<v Speaker 2>partner might say, I don't mind squeezing what? Um

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<v Speaker 1>okay, yeah, you just have to separate tubes of toothpaste.

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<v Speaker 2>But but the danger in this is that I want

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<v Speaker 2>to put it out. The disclaimer. Don't make it like

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<v Speaker 2>an interview.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. He has to come out organically. You know, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have a list of like so vacuum cleaner. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, next toothpaste. Next sponge.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the back of your mind, I think the

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<v Speaker 2>two partners should think about, you know, when when they

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<v Speaker 2>can sit down and talk and talk about everything and

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<v Speaker 2>anything under the sun.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't just talk about the big dreams and big stuff

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about the small stuff as well.

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<v Speaker 1>That helps. It's funny because my partner and I we

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<v Speaker 1>did an exercise before when we found ourselves fighting about

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<v Speaker 1>these small things where we wrote down, I might have

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned this before. We wrote what we like and dislike

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<v Speaker 1>about each other on a piece of paper. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>like right there in black and white, you know? And

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<v Speaker 1>it can be anything like maybe I don't like the

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<v Speaker 1>way you put peanut butter on the bread. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>like could be all these small things that you

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<v Speaker 1>that trigger you and you don't want to start your

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<v Speaker 1>day off. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's good right now and you tell me

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<v Speaker 2>because a lot of times I think partners don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what is triggering. You come back from what you're what

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<v Speaker 1>did I do wrong? I just came back from I

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<v Speaker 1>just came

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<v Speaker 2>in from the door.

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<v Speaker 2>The house looks very nice. I came in.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And you're greeted with like a storm inside. It's

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<v Speaker 1>all really interesting because we have many different ways of

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<v Speaker 1>solving problems and seeing certain things and we all know

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<v Speaker 1>that it's also going to do with compromising as well

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<v Speaker 1>in a relationship, especially when you want to live together. Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Moving in with somebody that you've never lived with before

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<v Speaker 1>can be intimidating as well because you don't know about

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<v Speaker 1>their little habits and

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<v Speaker 1>atomic habits and all that small little things along the way.

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<v Speaker 1>So that could generally be something you watching or listening

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<v Speaker 1>right now could be thinking or struggling with. So in conclusion,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess aside from everything that I've just said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I've picked up a couple of useful tips from you

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<v Speaker 1>as well if I ever have kids in the future. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>because in the future. Teamwork makes the dream work right?

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<v Speaker 1>Or something like that

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<v Speaker 2>Was? With what? What teamwork makes the dream work? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But you mentioned earlier on that you know when you

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<v Speaker 1>make it sort of like a team effort, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel like a chore punishment. Yes. Like a punishment. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So also for couples with Children, you and Jeremy do

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<v Speaker 2>chores do together. Yeah. Have fun. Have some fun.

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