1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,340 Speaker 1: This is a C. N. A podcast. 2 00:00:10,900 --> 00:00:14,060 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to CNN correspondent. This is the podcast 3 00:00:14,060 --> 00:00:17,110 Speaker 1: where our network of correspondents shine a light on stories 4 00:00:17,110 --> 00:00:20,030 Speaker 1: from wherever they are in the world from groundbreaking events 5 00:00:20,140 --> 00:00:23,260 Speaker 1: to up and coming trends. They're your eyes and ears 6 00:00:23,260 --> 00:00:26,570 Speaker 1: around the globe bringing you behind and beyond the headlines, 7 00:00:26,579 --> 00:00:29,820 Speaker 1: examining issues, meeting people and exploring places 8 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: on today's edition, a city in the loop of lockdowns, 9 00:00:37,260 --> 00:00:41,010 Speaker 2: Covid 19 outbreaks in china, they are taking a turn 10 00:00:41,010 --> 00:00:44,230 Speaker 2: for the worse. Well, China continues to reel as covid 11 00:00:44,229 --> 00:00:47,550 Speaker 2: cases spread, forcing more tough action across 12 00:00:47,550 --> 00:00:48,170 Speaker 1: the country. 13 00:00:48,180 --> 00:00:51,750 Speaker 2: China has sent over 10,000 health workers from across the 14 00:00:51,750 --> 00:00:52,340 Speaker 2: country 15 00:00:52,350 --> 00:00:55,380 Speaker 2: to shanghai. They will help to carry out covid 19 16 00:00:55,380 --> 00:00:59,270 Speaker 2: tests today for the city's 26 million residents. Chinese president 17 00:00:59,270 --> 00:01:03,150 Speaker 2: Xi Jinping has praised the country's Covid Zero strategy. Even 18 00:01:03,150 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 2: as shanghai reported a new surge in infections to another record, 19 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,750 Speaker 1: this is an ongoing and seemingly endless story of china's 20 00:01:12,750 --> 00:01:16,590 Speaker 1: determination to carry out its dynamic zero strategy that demands 21 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: each Covid 19 flare up be contained as quickly as possible. 22 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,970 Speaker 1: Shanghai lifted a two month lockdown in june but has 23 00:01:22,970 --> 00:01:26,610 Speaker 1: registered double digit daily cases in recent weeks prompting rounds 24 00:01:26,610 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: of repeated mass testing to identify infections so they can 25 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: be quickly quarantined to prevent further spread. 26 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,470 Speaker 1: What's it like to live work and report on these 27 00:01:35,470 --> 00:01:39,050 Speaker 1: ever changing developments, we're joined by our shanghai correspondent Lo 28 00:01:39,050 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: min min to find out. Thanks so much for joining me. 29 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,340 Speaker 1: How are you? You've got to get us up to speed. 30 00:01:44,350 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: You must be vaccinated tested. Got all your covid apps 31 00:01:47,130 --> 00:01:48,430 Speaker 1: and documents in place. 32 00:01:49,100 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: Yes I am vaccinated with two fighter jets. But unfortunately 33 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,850 Speaker 1: in china and considered unvaccinated because china doesn't recognize these 34 00:01:56,850 --> 00:02:00,220 Speaker 1: foreign vaccines. But besides that I have all those apps 35 00:02:00,220 --> 00:02:03,420 Speaker 1: in place. They are absolutely essential for living in china. 36 00:02:03,550 --> 00:02:06,790 Speaker 1: It does sound very complicated. How has it impacted how 37 00:02:06,790 --> 00:02:08,620 Speaker 1: you and not just you but your team as well, 38 00:02:08,630 --> 00:02:11,380 Speaker 1: how you do your job getting out, moving around, meeting 39 00:02:11,380 --> 00:02:13,550 Speaker 1: people incredibly important in what you do. 40 00:02:14,060 --> 00:02:16,710 Speaker 1: Yes. So we need a covid test that's taken within 41 00:02:16,710 --> 00:02:19,399 Speaker 1: the last 72 hours which means that we have to 42 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,500 Speaker 1: do the test and it's a PcR test every two 43 00:02:22,500 --> 00:02:24,630 Speaker 1: days because we need to factor in the eight hours 44 00:02:24,630 --> 00:02:26,940 Speaker 1: or so that it takes to generate the results. And 45 00:02:26,940 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: without these negative results it's impossible to go anywhere including 46 00:02:30,450 --> 00:02:32,870 Speaker 1: taking public transport. You have to scan it to enter 47 00:02:32,870 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: the metro station as well as public spaces like restaurant, 48 00:02:36,220 --> 00:02:39,790 Speaker 1: small offices and so on. So scheduling a PcR test 49 00:02:39,790 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: into my daily schedule has been very important because if 50 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,950 Speaker 1: I miss it it may mean I can no longer 51 00:02:44,950 --> 00:02:46,980 Speaker 1: attend a meeting or go for a shoot or even 52 00:02:46,980 --> 00:02:50,510 Speaker 1: enter my office. Wow that sounds incredibly onerous. I have 53 00:02:50,510 --> 00:02:52,650 Speaker 1: to say I've only had one PcR test in this 54 00:02:52,650 --> 00:02:55,090 Speaker 1: entire time and you're having them every two days. These 55 00:02:55,090 --> 00:02:58,260 Speaker 1: are the horrible ones that go right deep into your nose. Right. 56 00:02:58,660 --> 00:03:01,780 Speaker 1: Yes. Nowadays they do it on our cheeks. And initially 57 00:03:01,780 --> 00:03:03,890 Speaker 1: it's quite funny. I think they were all very diligent. 58 00:03:03,889 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: So they're like digging really deep into your throat. But 59 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,500 Speaker 1: I think now there is this sense of covid fatigue 60 00:03:08,510 --> 00:03:11,410 Speaker 1: that sometimes you're just like so I'll be gently scraping 61 00:03:11,410 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 1: the side of my cheeks. It's not going so deep anymore. 62 00:03:14,250 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: So it's got a bit 63 00:03:15,065 --> 00:03:17,465 Speaker 1: More tolerable as times go by and part of the 64 00:03:17,465 --> 00:03:20,894 Speaker 1: routine as well, Shanghai is China's commercial hub. It's a 65 00:03:20,895 --> 00:03:23,745 Speaker 1: city of hustle and bustle. How has it been coping 66 00:03:23,745 --> 00:03:26,155 Speaker 1: with COVID-19 and what's sort of the general mood of 67 00:03:26,235 --> 00:03:29,174 Speaker 1: people on the ground with the on again, off again 68 00:03:29,175 --> 00:03:31,275 Speaker 1: lockdowns and endless rounds of testing. 69 00:03:31,860 --> 00:03:35,270 Speaker 1: Yeah. There is definitely a sense of covid fatigue here, 70 00:03:35,270 --> 00:03:37,510 Speaker 1: A sense that there is just no end in sight 71 00:03:37,510 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: because after the lockdown was lifted we keep hearing of 72 00:03:40,250 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: more buildings getting into short lockdowns. My colleague, for instance, 73 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,980 Speaker 1: has just been informed by her neighborhood committee. That's the 74 00:03:46,980 --> 00:03:49,690 Speaker 1: lowest level of government in shanghai to stock up on 75 00:03:49,690 --> 00:03:52,430 Speaker 1: more food because there are residential blocks near her that 76 00:03:52,430 --> 00:03:55,020 Speaker 1: are locked down for seven days. So it's kind of 77 00:03:55,020 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: like a game of roulette. You simply never know when 78 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,210 Speaker 1: it's going to hit when it's your calm 79 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,430 Speaker 1: and that is entering a lockdown because of a positive 80 00:04:01,430 --> 00:04:04,340 Speaker 1: case or a close contact. So that's made traveling very 81 00:04:04,340 --> 00:04:06,820 Speaker 1: difficult as well because if you come from a mid 82 00:04:06,820 --> 00:04:09,690 Speaker 1: or high risk areas, then many other places within china 83 00:04:09,690 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: will not want to receive you without additional quarantine or 84 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,780 Speaker 1: more testing. So that must add another layer of complexity 85 00:04:16,779 --> 00:04:18,610 Speaker 1: than if you're sort of coordinating a team of like 86 00:04:18,610 --> 00:04:22,270 Speaker 1: cameraman or producers and fixes as well. Like what happens 87 00:04:22,270 --> 00:04:24,290 Speaker 1: if one of you is in an area that gets 88 00:04:24,290 --> 00:04:25,900 Speaker 1: locked down and just can't get out to work on 89 00:04:25,900 --> 00:04:26,580 Speaker 1: the story. 90 00:04:26,950 --> 00:04:29,950 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's been quite difficult. One of my colleagues 91 00:04:29,950 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: has been working from home for quite a while, she 92 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,580 Speaker 1: thinks that there is too much risk just taking public 93 00:04:35,580 --> 00:04:38,300 Speaker 1: transport to go out. So she's been working from home. 94 00:04:38,310 --> 00:04:41,140 Speaker 1: My cameraman and I have been out and about. We've 95 00:04:41,140 --> 00:04:43,820 Speaker 1: had to just adjust our plans at the last minute. 96 00:04:43,820 --> 00:04:47,580 Speaker 1: Sometimes if you plan a trip suddenly policy changes and 97 00:04:47,580 --> 00:04:50,530 Speaker 1: then we have to go through at a quarantine or 98 00:04:50,870 --> 00:04:54,060 Speaker 1: Additional hoops, we have to jump through to travel so 99 00:04:54,060 --> 00:04:56,410 Speaker 1: we have to cancel some of our production trips and 100 00:04:56,410 --> 00:05:00,580 Speaker 1: just make do with finding stories nearer to Shanghai. Yeah, 101 00:05:00,580 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 1: I can sort of hear the frustration coming through your 102 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,690 Speaker 1: voice at the moment Tuesday with this. Min Min next 103 00:05:05,690 --> 00:05:08,950 Speaker 1: on CNN correspondent how the American variant has changed things 104 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: and the resilience and life hacks to make it through 105 00:05:11,930 --> 00:05:13,820 Speaker 1: China's COVID-19 response. 106 00:05:20,620 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Stephen and I host the new season of 107 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,010 Speaker 1: our podcast heart of the matter, join me in getting 108 00:05:27,010 --> 00:05:29,390 Speaker 1: right to the heart of the headlines as we speak 109 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,850 Speaker 1: with experts and newsmakers to delve deep into the most 110 00:05:32,850 --> 00:05:36,900 Speaker 1: talked about news developments. Look out for our episodes wherever 111 00:05:36,910 --> 00:05:38,170 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. 112 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,230 Speaker 1: Welcome back! Hello! My seminar, Shanghai correspondent is still with 113 00:05:48,230 --> 00:05:51,390 Speaker 1: us as we continue our chat about Shanghai's lockdowns. Now 114 00:05:51,390 --> 00:05:53,770 Speaker 1: it's fair to say that China's initial response to the 115 00:05:53,770 --> 00:05:57,140 Speaker 1: pandemic of mass lockdowns and testing was successful. It limited 116 00:05:57,140 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: the spread which ultimately saved lives, particularly before vaccines became available. 117 00:06:02,550 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: But the recent more transmissible variant has changed things 118 00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:10,390 Speaker 1: in our macron. The situation is quite different. The virus 119 00:06:10,390 --> 00:06:14,070 Speaker 1: is so transmissible or so infectious that before you identify 120 00:06:14,070 --> 00:06:17,650 Speaker 1: the virus the virus has been circulating without any notice 121 00:06:17,650 --> 00:06:21,020 Speaker 1: for science in the population example is the shanghai, you know, 122 00:06:21,020 --> 00:06:24,430 Speaker 1: once you identify a few infected cases, actually the virus 123 00:06:24,430 --> 00:06:27,490 Speaker 1: has been spreading in the entire population. So that's why 124 00:06:27,490 --> 00:06:31,430 Speaker 1: the shanghai suffers so heavily in terms of its lockdown 125 00:06:31,430 --> 00:06:34,380 Speaker 1: and it's you know, screening effort in all sorts of 126 00:06:34,380 --> 00:06:36,020 Speaker 1: public health approach. 127 00:06:37,230 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: That was Professor Alan Wu Director for the Center of 128 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,370 Speaker 1: a public Health Research at Nanjing University in many other 129 00:06:43,370 --> 00:06:46,510 Speaker 1: countries are dealing with omicron very differently compared to China 130 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,810 Speaker 1: here in Singapore. The days of lockdowns are seemingly behind us, 131 00:06:49,810 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: life is increasingly back to normal, albeit with face masks indoors, 132 00:06:54,380 --> 00:06:55,870 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to rub it in or anything, but 133 00:06:55,870 --> 00:06:58,779 Speaker 1: how has it changed how china is dealing with the 134 00:06:58,779 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: pandemic in shanghai. 135 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: I think China is pretty much dealing with the pandemic 136 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,250 Speaker 1: in a very similar way but they have refined the 137 00:07:06,250 --> 00:07:09,660 Speaker 1: approach to make it more precise. For instance they found 138 00:07:09,660 --> 00:07:11,950 Speaker 1: that people infected with the B. F. Five variant are 139 00:07:11,950 --> 00:07:14,620 Speaker 1: prone to infect other people within three days after a 140 00:07:14,620 --> 00:07:18,420 Speaker 1: positive test. So that led them to shorten the quarantine 141 00:07:18,420 --> 00:07:21,110 Speaker 1: time by about half as there's no need to quarantine 142 00:07:21,110 --> 00:07:24,090 Speaker 1: people for so long anymore. They also know that since 143 00:07:24,090 --> 00:07:27,090 Speaker 1: the virus spreads more quickly the authorities are, I would 144 00:07:27,090 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: say much more aggressive with 145 00:07:29,090 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: mass testing. In my experience they're identifying infected people in 146 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:36,510 Speaker 1: positive cases and quarantining them very quickly. We're doing mass 147 00:07:36,510 --> 00:07:39,900 Speaker 1: testing at an unprecedented rate. It's about three times a 148 00:07:39,900 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: week for me where I live. So I must have 149 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:46,390 Speaker 1: done in all maybe over 100 tests by now and 150 00:07:46,390 --> 00:07:48,690 Speaker 1: it appears the government is just studying the virus and 151 00:07:48,690 --> 00:07:51,489 Speaker 1: tweaking their strategy to target it. Okay, so they're getting 152 00:07:51,490 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: a bit more streamlined in their approach and it's predominantly 153 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:57,630 Speaker 1: omicron that is circulating around china. Yes, it's predominantly of Micron. 154 00:07:58,150 --> 00:07:59,780 Speaker 1: Tell us more about some of the challenges that the 155 00:07:59,780 --> 00:08:02,490 Speaker 1: government then is facing and actually managing a city of 156 00:08:02,490 --> 00:08:05,500 Speaker 1: over 25 million people when it comes to the administration 157 00:08:05,500 --> 00:08:07,650 Speaker 1: and the logistics of having to do all these tests 158 00:08:07,650 --> 00:08:08,620 Speaker 1: and all these lockdowns. 159 00:08:09,420 --> 00:08:11,450 Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of things. I think one of the 160 00:08:11,450 --> 00:08:14,250 Speaker 1: biggest challenges that appears the government is facing is getting 161 00:08:14,250 --> 00:08:17,770 Speaker 1: the elderly to be vaccinated because Beijing recently tried to 162 00:08:17,770 --> 00:08:20,420 Speaker 1: impose a vaccine mandate only to walk it back a 163 00:08:20,420 --> 00:08:22,980 Speaker 1: couple of days later. And it seems like now they're 164 00:08:22,980 --> 00:08:25,610 Speaker 1: using a combination of carrots and sticks to get the 165 00:08:25,620 --> 00:08:29,260 Speaker 1: elderly vaccinated. This could mean sending them notices that they 166 00:08:29,260 --> 00:08:32,979 Speaker 1: may lose their welfare benefits of rice and oil for 167 00:08:32,980 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: their families if they fail to get immunized or giving 168 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: them coupons 169 00:08:36,625 --> 00:08:39,245 Speaker 1: Vouchers for getting the shot. So if you look at 170 00:08:39,245 --> 00:08:43,605 Speaker 1: the statistics, nearly 90% of the population is fully vaccinated, 171 00:08:43,615 --> 00:08:46,975 Speaker 1: but only about half of those aged 80 or older 172 00:08:46,985 --> 00:08:49,505 Speaker 1: are immunized. And if you look at the death toll 173 00:08:49,505 --> 00:08:53,215 Speaker 1: in Shanghai, most of those who died from COVID-19 are 174 00:08:53,215 --> 00:08:56,405 Speaker 1: those who are elderly and unvaccinated. So that's the first 175 00:08:56,405 --> 00:08:59,305 Speaker 1: big challenge. The second one is really the recovery of 176 00:08:59,304 --> 00:09:02,215 Speaker 1: the economy because Shanghai experienced a lot of suffering during 177 00:09:02,215 --> 00:09:03,804 Speaker 1: those two months of lockdown. 178 00:09:03,830 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: Because it was so harsh, it broke down the entire 179 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: supply chain cut off people's access to food and essential. 180 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: So imagine organizing food delivery to 25 million people. It's 181 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,250 Speaker 1: a major logistical challenge. But now all of that is 182 00:09:17,250 --> 00:09:19,689 Speaker 1: kind of over the job now is to recover an 183 00:09:19,690 --> 00:09:22,330 Speaker 1: economy that is badly hurt, especially for the small and 184 00:09:22,330 --> 00:09:25,150 Speaker 1: medium businesses. Many of them could not survive 2 to 185 00:09:25,150 --> 00:09:27,750 Speaker 1: 3 months with barely any income. So a lot of 186 00:09:27,750 --> 00:09:31,010 Speaker 1: businesses are hurting even larger companies, many of them 187 00:09:31,035 --> 00:09:33,564 Speaker 1: are looking at the situation in shanghai is saying, look, 188 00:09:33,565 --> 00:09:36,505 Speaker 1: we need to diversify and keep our supply chain resilient 189 00:09:36,585 --> 00:09:39,685 Speaker 1: considering whether it makes more sense to move our headquarters 190 00:09:39,684 --> 00:09:42,425 Speaker 1: out of shanghai. Now. A lot of concerns for the 191 00:09:42,425 --> 00:09:43,995 Speaker 1: economy for sure. I just want to come back to 192 00:09:43,995 --> 00:09:47,064 Speaker 1: what you're talking about the elderly generation in shanghai that 193 00:09:47,065 --> 00:09:49,694 Speaker 1: are reluctant. Where's this hesitancy coming from? Is it a 194 00:09:49,695 --> 00:09:52,725 Speaker 1: concern of their current health may not be able to 195 00:09:52,955 --> 00:09:55,835 Speaker 1: see them through getting the vaccine or they're just skeptical 196 00:09:55,835 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: whether the vaccine works. Where's the hesitancy? 197 00:09:58,460 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: I've spoken to people about this and so far the 198 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: answers I'm getting seems to be. First. The elderly usually 199 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,970 Speaker 1: comes with a lot of other underlying conditions and perhaps 200 00:10:07,970 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: their doctors advise them not to take it for fear 201 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,510 Speaker 1: of any side effects or aggravating their existing health conditions. 202 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,660 Speaker 1: The second thing, they might be a victim of china's 203 00:10:16,660 --> 00:10:18,650 Speaker 1: success because many of them tell me that they actually 204 00:10:18,650 --> 00:10:21,340 Speaker 1: feel very safe and they feel that as long as 205 00:10:21,340 --> 00:10:23,140 Speaker 1: they avoid crowded areas, they were 206 00:10:23,150 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: wash their hands and wear their mask. There's no need 207 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,650 Speaker 1: for them to get vaccinated because they feel that they 208 00:10:27,650 --> 00:10:31,390 Speaker 1: can take care of themselves by taking these precautions. I 209 00:10:31,390 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: can see how that gets a bit tricky then for 210 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:34,970 Speaker 1: the government to say that they're keeping everyone safe and 211 00:10:34,970 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: at the same time then please get vaccinated just to 212 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,170 Speaker 1: keep yourself safe for this then to have dragged on 213 00:10:40,170 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: for more than 2.5 years now. There's a real need 214 00:10:43,690 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: for resilience isn't there? Especially for people that have to 215 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 1: make a living and put food on the table. 216 00:10:48,290 --> 00:10:51,580 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. As I mentioned earlier, especially for business people, 217 00:10:51,580 --> 00:10:54,350 Speaker 1: you need a real iron will to know that you 218 00:10:54,350 --> 00:10:57,180 Speaker 1: are committed here for the very long run because I've 219 00:10:57,190 --> 00:10:59,790 Speaker 1: met people who have pumped in millions of their own 220 00:10:59,790 --> 00:11:03,090 Speaker 1: money or sold the house just to keep their business afloat. 221 00:11:03,100 --> 00:11:05,890 Speaker 1: And for ordinary people living in shanghai, you also do 222 00:11:05,890 --> 00:11:08,740 Speaker 1: need that psychological resilience to be able to stay calm 223 00:11:08,740 --> 00:11:11,940 Speaker 1: and unfazed no matter what is thrown at you, what 224 00:11:11,940 --> 00:11:14,670 Speaker 1: new rules and policies are suddenly imposed and you just 225 00:11:14,670 --> 00:11:16,580 Speaker 1: have to keep on adapting 226 00:11:16,980 --> 00:11:18,860 Speaker 1: and what are some of them their life hacks that 227 00:11:18,860 --> 00:11:21,460 Speaker 1: residents and perhaps even yourself have sort of come up 228 00:11:21,460 --> 00:11:25,210 Speaker 1: with or realized or used to get through this. Well, 229 00:11:25,220 --> 00:11:27,689 Speaker 1: I'm doing yoga every day if I can to stay 230 00:11:27,690 --> 00:11:30,220 Speaker 1: sane peace of mind, not just to keep your body 231 00:11:30,220 --> 00:11:32,610 Speaker 1: moving right. Yeah. I don't know if there are any 232 00:11:32,610 --> 00:11:35,220 Speaker 1: quick and easy life hacks, but I think the usual 233 00:11:35,220 --> 00:11:37,709 Speaker 1: things trying to stay connected with friends, do the things 234 00:11:37,710 --> 00:11:40,390 Speaker 1: you love, give yourself time off and know that it's 235 00:11:40,390 --> 00:11:42,990 Speaker 1: completely normal to be feeling out of sorts or in 236 00:11:42,990 --> 00:11:45,420 Speaker 1: a slump because of the external environment you're in 237 00:11:45,620 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 1: and don't be so harsh on yourself. I think these 238 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,059 Speaker 1: are the things I tell myself sometimes. Yeah. Self care 239 00:11:51,059 --> 00:11:53,500 Speaker 1: and go easy on yourself. Definitely some good advice when 240 00:11:53,500 --> 00:11:56,370 Speaker 1: times are going tough, it's been tough over there in 241 00:11:56,370 --> 00:11:59,090 Speaker 1: shanghai for the last two plus years that this pandemic 242 00:11:59,090 --> 00:12:01,209 Speaker 1: has been going on. And increasingly, as other countries are 243 00:12:01,210 --> 00:12:04,390 Speaker 1: starting to open up the population, they're seeing what's happening 244 00:12:04,390 --> 00:12:06,429 Speaker 1: in the rest of the world, countries opening up, people 245 00:12:06,429 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: are enjoying more freedom. So they wondering when it's going 246 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,650 Speaker 1: to end for them and getting a bit envious that 247 00:12:10,650 --> 00:12:11,450 Speaker 1: they're missing out. 248 00:12:12,230 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. A lot of locals that I speak to tell 249 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,809 Speaker 1: me that they still somewhat support the zero covid policy 250 00:12:17,820 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: or at least they understand why it's needed. There is 251 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,630 Speaker 1: a lot of dissatisfaction from the locals. My sense of 252 00:12:23,630 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: it is that it comes from the fact that they're 253 00:12:25,850 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: essential survival were not guaranteed because food was not readily 254 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,890 Speaker 1: available during the lockdown. And if you look at the 255 00:12:31,890 --> 00:12:35,060 Speaker 1: protests that happened, a lot of the protesting was more 256 00:12:35,059 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: for food and 257 00:12:35,856 --> 00:12:39,155 Speaker 1: more rations. Not so much for the lifting of the lockdown. 258 00:12:39,155 --> 00:12:42,056 Speaker 1: And I feel people are somewhat more tolerant towards the 259 00:12:42,056 --> 00:12:45,256 Speaker 1: loss of freedom in exchange for safety and low spread 260 00:12:45,256 --> 00:12:49,076 Speaker 1: of covid 19 as long as their daily survival is guaranteed. 261 00:12:49,086 --> 00:12:51,506 Speaker 1: But I also did speak to some people who told 262 00:12:51,506 --> 00:12:53,996 Speaker 1: me that they wish that there are more choices for 263 00:12:53,996 --> 00:12:56,165 Speaker 1: better vaccines and by this I think they mean the 264 00:12:56,166 --> 00:12:59,466 Speaker 1: M RNA vaccines which studies have shown are more effective 265 00:12:59,482 --> 00:13:02,512 Speaker 1: than the inactivated vaccines that china produces. And they feel 266 00:13:02,511 --> 00:13:04,532 Speaker 1: that this could be perhaps a reason why china needs 267 00:13:04,532 --> 00:13:07,522 Speaker 1: such harsh measures. And they said they themselves would be 268 00:13:07,522 --> 00:13:09,742 Speaker 1: more willing to take the vaccines if the M. RNA 269 00:13:09,742 --> 00:13:12,762 Speaker 1: were available. That's a bigger question for china. That will 270 00:13:12,761 --> 00:13:15,202 Speaker 1: have to leave for another day. Thank you. We really 271 00:13:15,202 --> 00:13:18,112 Speaker 1: appreciate the work you're doing for us in shanghai under 272 00:13:18,112 --> 00:13:21,212 Speaker 1: these challenging circumstances that we've been talking about today. Thank 273 00:13:21,212 --> 00:13:23,110 Speaker 1: you steve. 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