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Speaker 1: You don't need to see it to feel it. The

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Speaker 1: handpicked delegates applauded with zeal as China's most powerful assembled overhead,

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Speaker 1: a galaxy of stars and in the center a large

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Speaker 1: The week long congress culminated in this

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Speaker 1: headline news this hour, President Xi Jinping has secured a

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Speaker 1: historic third term as china's leader staying on as general

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Speaker 1: secretary of the Communist Party. He just unveiled the new

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Speaker 1: politburo standing committee made up of six others, including former

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to CNN correspondent. I'm your host, Teresa Tang.

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Speaker 1: This is the podcast where our network of correspondence shines

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Speaker 1: a light on stories from wherever they are in the world,

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Speaker 1: bringing you behind and beyond the headlines

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Speaker 1: on today's edition. We speak to Beijing correspondent Olivia song

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Speaker 1: who had a front row seat to history.

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Speaker 2: Olivia

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Speaker 1: joins me now. Hi Olivia, Thanks for coming in.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Teresa,

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Speaker 1: the chinese Communist Party congress takes place only twice a decade.

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Speaker 1: It's the culmination of months of deal making and it

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Speaker 1: reveals a lot about where the country's headed this year though.

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Speaker 1: It was different with covid protocols in place. What was

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Speaker 1: it like covering such a significant event? You were in

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Speaker 2: I was actually just chatting with some other journalists, those

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Speaker 2: it was about eight days in this media bubble. And

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the enormity of the person that is

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Speaker 1: Xi jin ping. You've lived in china for four years

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Speaker 1: Olivia as correspondent. How large does the specter of Xi

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Speaker 1: Jinping loom over chinese people does reverence for the Communist

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Speaker 2: he said that Mr C was quote, the outstanding figure

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Speaker 2: There's also been questions about china's human rights record. We

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Speaker 1: and regardless of your opinion of him, he has been

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Speaker 1: Olivia song. We unpack what this unprecedented third term in

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Speaker 2: called Money talks. Yes, we will be talking

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Speaker 2: top story tonight, we begin in china where the country's

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Speaker 2: parliament has voted to abolish presidential term limits. The move

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Speaker 2: paves the way for President xi Jinping to

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Speaker 1: 2018 was a turning point. That was the year changes

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Speaker 1: Olivia. We can't talk about the china party congress without

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Speaker 2: We're ushered from a holding area in the great hall

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Speaker 2: But there are still many, many questions that remain. What

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Speaker 2: This incident took place on saturday and in the evening,

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Speaker 1: Whatever

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Speaker 1: that was president. See thanking the Chinese Communist Party for

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Speaker 1: and of course covid 19 Olivia. What will the President's

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Speaker 2: Well, Mr Season's coming to power has talked about pursuing

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Speaker 2: Although he will have to find the answers to some

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Speaker 2: that no there's not going to be a change in

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Speaker 2: zero covid policy, even though adjustments may be made moving forward.

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Speaker 1: What you just heard was the chinese national anthem. And

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Speaker 1: when I lived in Beijing for two years, I lived

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Speaker 1: through my window every morning Olivia. It's been about two

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Speaker 1: weeks now since the Congress concluded and people in china

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Speaker 1: would mean? What are chinese people saying?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good question. It's been a bit difficult

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Speaker 2: because as we know chinese social media is heavily censored

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Speaker 2: and they're tight controls. Also, we were out on the

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Speaker 2: basing streets the day after the new leadership was announced,

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Speaker 2: my colleague and I were trying to get people's views

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Speaker 2: sees the term and we were getting rejected

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Speaker 2: a lot people said that this was a topic they

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Speaker 2: didn't want to talk about

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Speaker 2: and there's a certain level of concern about any Reprisal

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Speaker 2: chinese like to say

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Speaker 1: Any trouble.

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Speaker 2: Any unnecessary trouble from speaking about something potentially sensitive with politics,

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Speaker 2: especially on camera too. But I really think the big

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Speaker 2: test will come in the

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Speaker 2: these next few years as we look ahead to what

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Speaker 2: mr c succession plans. How long does he intend to

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Speaker 2: stay in powerful? How will this new leadership lineup do

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Speaker 2: as china increasingly faces tensions at home and abroad And

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Speaker 2: it's clear that all eyes are going to be on

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Speaker 2: the world's second largest economy and see how they react.

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Speaker 2: It feels like the work has just begun

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Speaker 1: Olivia. So nice seeing you. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: joining me on this podcast and taking us through this

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Speaker 1: significant juncture in chinese politics. Thanks

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Speaker 2: Teresa. It's good being

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Speaker 1: here.

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