WEBVTT - Do we have too much expectations on proposals and weddings?

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<v Speaker 1>it's sonia. Welcome to another episode of Men explain. And

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<v Speaker 1>today we're talking about proposals not mine

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<v Speaker 1>and I want to welcome our special guest who recently

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<v Speaker 1>got engaged. It's nick and Hong ling. Hello?

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<v Speaker 1>Hi sonya, what's going on guys? Congratulations. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>I did manage to congratulate you. How has it been

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<v Speaker 1>so far like as an engaged couple? Any difference?

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<v Speaker 2>Um

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<v Speaker 1>actually for me there's not much, no difference. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>only during that period, the moment happened. Some something weird.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't explain it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not the language, it's just a feeling,

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<v Speaker 2>I just, I just

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<v Speaker 1>think it's a bit overwhelmed, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe social

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<v Speaker 1>media news and everybody on graduated, so it's too much

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<v Speaker 1>thing going on

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<v Speaker 2>back to normal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, back to business. So leading up to that moment.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it was a very beautiful proposal.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you already know that you're going to get proposed to? No, actually, no,

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<v Speaker 1>because I think the timeline got brought forward. Yes, because

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<v Speaker 1>we plan, we plan to have a wedding like maybe

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<v Speaker 1>two years to three years. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>discussion about

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<v Speaker 1>2020 2030 plus I'm still very busy

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<v Speaker 1>or is it

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<v Speaker 2>true of is a no, I think quite

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<v Speaker 1>quite okay. What was the reason for that nick? You

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<v Speaker 1>want to lock it down? Is it like what's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>Because

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted it to be a surprise for her. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>If I do it around the timing, maybe she will

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<v Speaker 2>have the

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<v Speaker 1>suspicion or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe yeah, but you coincided it with her birthday. So

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<v Speaker 1>you thought that it was a birthday celebration. Yes. And

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<v Speaker 1>for every year he's quite romantic on my on my birthday.

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<v Speaker 1>So I didn't really think much of it. Oh, this

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<v Speaker 1>is just another very romantic birthday

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<v Speaker 1>generation. Yes, and this time with my friends and family,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's quite a big one. Okay, so in that moment,

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<v Speaker 1>what were, what was your reaction were you like, what

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<v Speaker 1>the heck? No, I just, I just I was very,

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<v Speaker 1>very touched, a lot of emotions. I was very happy,

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<v Speaker 1>very touched and I don't know what's going on, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very happy that

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<v Speaker 1>my family is here and it was many years in

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<v Speaker 1>the making. I mean you guys have been going out

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<v Speaker 1>for a long time

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<v Speaker 2>For around seven years,

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<v Speaker 1>seven years. So nick, when did you know that she

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<v Speaker 1>was it

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<v Speaker 2>She was the one. Yeah, I think somewhere along the

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<v Speaker 2>5th of this,

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<v Speaker 1>six long for six years before six dates. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, man, You know, she was

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<v Speaker 2>quite confirmed like after when

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<v Speaker 1>the first

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<v Speaker 2>few months or something

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<v Speaker 1>like the very first day I saw you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, the moment, you

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<v Speaker 2>know,

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<v Speaker 1>I wish I knew who was the one, the moment

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<v Speaker 1>I see them. I think

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<v Speaker 2>she's more like emotional kind of person and everything goes

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<v Speaker 2>through her heart. She goes for the like feeling kind

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<v Speaker 2>of person for me, it's more logical

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<v Speaker 1>anyway. On that note in this day and age where

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<v Speaker 1>we talk

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<v Speaker 1>proposals and stuff like that, right? I think it has

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<v Speaker 1>changed a little bit along the years and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think different generation as well. Um it's not just

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<v Speaker 1>the traditional way of proposing anymore. You know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>some girls even proposed to their partners. What do you

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<v Speaker 1>think about that? Like would you have done something like

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<v Speaker 1>that or maybe personality wise? Not so much.

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<v Speaker 1>I would like to but I wouldn't encourage. Yeah. Would

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<v Speaker 2>you do it?

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<v Speaker 1>I tried. Yeah, I do jeremy. I'm not I mean

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<v Speaker 1>like the one with the ring pop, you know, like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't worry, this is not like an announcement. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>he was like this okay, can we just talked

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<v Speaker 2>about? But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. In reality, I wouldn't mind. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't mind. I just wonder how that makes the

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<v Speaker 1>guy feel.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>conscious of that as well. Like does that make you

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<v Speaker 1>feel weird

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<v Speaker 2>kind of because it's like norm for man to propose.

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<v Speaker 2>So when a girl takes the initiative, it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>feels weird. It's more like how people would think about us. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's more than that. Like will people think

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<v Speaker 2>like I do not love her more? Like is it

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<v Speaker 2>like she's rushing off. She's trying to put some pressure

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<v Speaker 2>on me. So I'm more worried on like what the

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<v Speaker 1>perception. Okay. And how about you

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<v Speaker 1>for me actually I worried most about the people's perception

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Um I'm not sure actually did I did

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<v Speaker 1>I proposed to you first way because like we both

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<v Speaker 1>see the seriousness and the love for each other way

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<v Speaker 1>before the proposal. So we actually talked about our future

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<v Speaker 1>and we actually plan about our marriage way before. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not, I think I'm the,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the first one to initiate, initiate this topic. So

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<v Speaker 1>is it considered like I propose the idea? I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's more like casual talks about our future can

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<v Speaker 2>through these small talks, we can like, align with our vision,

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<v Speaker 2>like what we want in life. And she always like,

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<v Speaker 2>tell me like she don't want a proposal. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>really? So I'm serious about it. What did you want then?

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<v Speaker 1>In that case?

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<v Speaker 1>I think the proposal is not as important as the

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<v Speaker 1>eventual marriage, the wedding ceremony for

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<v Speaker 2>the wedding. I think you don't

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<v Speaker 1>want a simple,

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<v Speaker 2>she wanted something simple maybe like if proposal would be

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<v Speaker 2>a stressful event for us. She can skip it even

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<v Speaker 2>for the banquet. Just something intimate. Just the both of us.

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<v Speaker 2>I think she's contented with it. She,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what she had been telling me. But I still

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<v Speaker 2>feel like the proposal is

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<v Speaker 1>so he's the one that I wanted to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, and

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<v Speaker 1>I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to like properly okay approval and her family's approval

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<v Speaker 2>and also show her my sincerity

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<v Speaker 1>and it makes for a beautiful video and beautiful memories

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<v Speaker 1>as well

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<v Speaker 1>as we all saw something that I can tell my

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<v Speaker 1>Children or grandchildren your like proposed. She's I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>channel drama right now. Like, so, so you were, you

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<v Speaker 1>were mentioning that all your family members were there as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just curious nick can be invisible right now. They

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<v Speaker 1>immediately approve of nick.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh they did approve nick like way before the proposal

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<v Speaker 1>as well. They love him and they mentioned it to

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<v Speaker 1>me that it is a very good guy and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very lucky to have him. So if I didn't like

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<v Speaker 1>catch him because like they feel that

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<v Speaker 1>and this like little princess that have temple. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And you do have any siblings? I never asked. Yeah. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not like an only child thing where they're

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<v Speaker 1>very protective. Yeah. And stuff

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<v Speaker 2>when I decided to do a proposal, the first thing

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<v Speaker 2>I

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<v Speaker 2>did was to go to her parents and ask for

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<v Speaker 2>your permission. So during then she was overseas. So I

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<v Speaker 2>texted her father about it. So I said, uncle, can

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<v Speaker 2>I come to your house? I got something to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to you then. Like

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<v Speaker 1>knows. Of course he knows what's up.

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<v Speaker 1>He's

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<v Speaker 2>in shock. He thought like something happened. Like is it

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<v Speaker 2>something overseas or something?

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<v Speaker 1>I see.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he called me and I said, oh nothing, just

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<v Speaker 2>want to discuss something with you.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's like, what do we

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<v Speaker 2>know sort of, he guessed it like later on. So

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<v Speaker 2>when I told him about it actually, her mom said

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<v Speaker 2>something very touching. I like you can

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<v Speaker 1>say in mandarin, I understand. I

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<v Speaker 2>said like, um

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<v Speaker 2>then she replied something like

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<v Speaker 1>already accepted

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<v Speaker 2>during that particular moment. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>control,

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<v Speaker 1>you need to cry during acting. Do you tap back

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<v Speaker 1>into that emotion? You can't do anything.

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<v Speaker 2>But that moment was quite touching.

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<v Speaker 1>He's tearing up right now you guys. Is it the

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<v Speaker 1>reflection of the light, glassy nous in his eyes or something?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but it seems to be bringing some

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<v Speaker 1>tears as well. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That that in that moment you knew that everything was

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<v Speaker 1>falling into place, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think they have been waiting for quite some time.

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<v Speaker 2>So

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<v Speaker 1>yeah. Okay. Have you ever tried to hint to you guys?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when, when we talk about it normally because we

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<v Speaker 2>have a business ourselves. Right? So like when

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<v Speaker 2>her dad and her mom was talking about it, they

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<v Speaker 2>will say like, so they really

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<v Speaker 1>classified. So it's already like settled in a sense, they

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<v Speaker 1>know that you will get there eventually. Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So now let's talk about the ring and I

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<v Speaker 1>want to chat about this because in 20, alone, so

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<v Speaker 1>many of our, I would say people in our generation

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<v Speaker 1>age group, you know, got engaged or started to get

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<v Speaker 1>very serious with their partners and started talking about marriage

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And we all know that, you know the concept of

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<v Speaker 1>the engagement ring itself has also changed over time. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure whether you agree, but for a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of my friends at least it doesn't really matter whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's a diamond or not, it can be other things.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be a gemstone, it could be, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have to be something. So, you know, traditional, some people

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<v Speaker 1>even give each other watches or something, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>a luxury watch as a proposal

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<v Speaker 1>to you. I mean, okay, maybe I'll start with nick

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<v Speaker 1>first when you decided to get her the ring. What

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<v Speaker 1>was going through your mind when you decided on this

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<v Speaker 1>particular

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<v Speaker 2>1? Um for me, it's still like more,

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<v Speaker 2>something like a custom. So like people, I mean men

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<v Speaker 2>do propose with a diamond ring. So I still go

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<v Speaker 2>along with it. I wouldn't try something like very daring.

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<v Speaker 2>Like some other gemstones or something. So I think if

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted to try something different, I think maybe it's

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<v Speaker 2>more on

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<v Speaker 2>the lady side

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<v Speaker 1>or the preference,

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<v Speaker 2>what if I got her? Sophia or something, but she

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<v Speaker 1>has no idea what it means unless it means something

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<v Speaker 2>to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, I see for you only like, did it

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<v Speaker 1>ever mattered to you? I really love the ring. Um

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<v Speaker 1>it's very simple because I love something simple, classic. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's very simple. She's a great hand model at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah, so you, you liked it the moment you received it.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually when I, when I saw the video, like the

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<v Speaker 1>second time I notice I didn't, I didn't even take

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<v Speaker 1>a look at the ring. I just like, okay, put

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<v Speaker 1>it on. Okay, so anything,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be

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<v Speaker 2>anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, of course, that is the traditional way of

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<v Speaker 1>thinking as well, right? With the diamond, all that and

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<v Speaker 1>for homely, I mean, you seem like you're easily contented

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<v Speaker 1>because obviously it's not true. You you're not you're not

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<v Speaker 1>expecting like a

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<v Speaker 1>five carat. So what if he proposes something else, would

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<v Speaker 1>you still be okay with it? You have been alright

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<v Speaker 1>with it? Yeah, I think I'll be okay because I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want a proposal. Yeah, so you have already have

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<v Speaker 1>a proposal is like a bonus. And I really appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>his effort and

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<v Speaker 1>that moment I really felt loved and cherished by him.

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<v Speaker 1>It was so sweet you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>But okay, so now that you mentioned the proposal and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>That was very sweet and something that you remember. But

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<v Speaker 1>the bulk of the work is going to come in

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<v Speaker 1>next time during the marriage, right? How do you guys

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<v Speaker 1>start talking about marriage? I want only one dress, Only

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<v Speaker 1>one dress. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's an occupational hazard because you dress up a

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<v Speaker 1>lot and you doll up a lot for work

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff. Right. And then when it comes to your

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<v Speaker 1>actual wedding, you're like, okay, I just wanna,

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<v Speaker 2>I just wanna chill,

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<v Speaker 1>changing,

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<v Speaker 2>changing like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Take a lot of time if like, we have like

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<v Speaker 1>2-3 outfits and at first he wanted like three and

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<v Speaker 1>I just want one. I want you to think like

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<v Speaker 2>wedding, I want some memories,

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<v Speaker 1>I think is the bride.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like the roles are reversed here. Nick is

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<v Speaker 1>totally being the bridezilla right now.

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<v Speaker 2>But in the end she just wanted one because

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<v Speaker 1>I insisted

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<v Speaker 2>more time with friends and family.

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<v Speaker 1>She wanted, she wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to be there like sitting down having

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<v Speaker 1>pictures and then like coming in the smoke machine and

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<v Speaker 1>all that stuff. Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Then it would be quite weird, like quite weird right

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<v Speaker 2>for me to be changing myself and coming in

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<v Speaker 1>myself. Like where is nick?

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<v Speaker 1>He's wearing his third tax of the day.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'll be only wearing one as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So you decided? Yes, I like that. I think we're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing sort of like, or at least I'm seeing a

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<v Speaker 1>different side of because I never knew that you were

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<v Speaker 1>so easy going about all this stuff because sometimes you

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<v Speaker 1>would think, okay Brights definitely want things a certain way.

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<v Speaker 1>Like at least that's the traditional way of thinking right?

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<v Speaker 1>Like the bride is always the one that is the

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<v Speaker 1>Bridezilla always like

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<v Speaker 1>wanting this and that. So that's really nice to see.

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<v Speaker 1>And I wasn't aware of that as well. That was

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<v Speaker 1>very sweet. So then long term, let's talk long term.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you guys talk about the important things about marriage.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you agree on everything like kids finances, house, all

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of stuff?

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<v Speaker 2>I think we take quite awhile to actually talk it

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<v Speaker 2>through the first few times. I think there's some arguments

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<v Speaker 2>but later on we, because I have heard an advice

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<v Speaker 2>on marriage is that even as a boyfriend and girlfriend,

0:14:50.655 --> 0:14:54.085
<v Speaker 2>you guys can't talk about something when you get married,

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<v Speaker 2>it will only get harder. So we try to like

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<v Speaker 2>communicate and also understand just communication

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<v Speaker 2>itself. I don't think it works. So we have to

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<v Speaker 2>understand like where each other is coming from. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So what were some things that you immediately agreed on

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<v Speaker 1>or disagreed on? For example, housing and kids? Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>kids is still a debate

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<v Speaker 1>now. Still an ongoing conversation. One third we knew we wanted,

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<v Speaker 1>but like we are still very young and we are

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<v Speaker 1>very worried that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get tied down to the kids. We have

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<v Speaker 1>to become your life. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but at the back of our mind, we still want

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<v Speaker 2>to have kids. We wanted a family eventually. Yeah. But

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<v Speaker 2>the question now is when maybe when we drag too long,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe we

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<v Speaker 1>Can have, but you guys are quite close in age so,

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<v Speaker 1>so it should be okay. I hope right, like five

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<v Speaker 2>years

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<v Speaker 1>close. Yeah, that's quite close.

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<v Speaker 1>So actually we, we are now like okay, we go

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<v Speaker 1>with the flow. We doesn't want to plan if it

0:16:10.505 --> 0:16:13.815
<v Speaker 1>happens to happen. Yes. Okay. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>we see something like, yes, we're going to have kids

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<v Speaker 2>then like the next moment? No, that's, that's not the

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<v Speaker 2>life that you want? It's

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<v Speaker 1>still changing. What did you see or witness that?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm curious. What did you see a witness that made

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<v Speaker 1>you think? No, I don't want kids. Was there anything

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<v Speaker 1>when

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<v Speaker 2>we go enjoy at a beach club? Some parents like

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<v Speaker 2>taking care of their kids

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<v Speaker 1>were very

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<v Speaker 2>like enjoying taking a sip of Yeah, we're like, we're

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<v Speaker 1>like, we're not, we're

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<v Speaker 2>not having this

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<v Speaker 1>when we see like the kids look exactly like

0:16:47.510 --> 0:16:54.790
<v Speaker 1>their parents like wanted to have kids like that. So that,

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<v Speaker 1>that aside, what about like finances housing these kind of conversations?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you find it challenging? Because I know some couples

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<v Speaker 1>who get into conversations like that and then end up

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<v Speaker 1>fighting or you know, one doesn't want to reveal too

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<v Speaker 1>much about the finances and stuff like that. What was

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<v Speaker 1>the dynamic

0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:12.730
<v Speaker 1>between the two of you? I think for financial wise,

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<v Speaker 1>we are, we are quite okay. You're open about talking

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<v Speaker 1>about it. I think it's because, um, he would save

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<v Speaker 1>up on his own, but he will buy me stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that I need, right? So for my side will be

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<v Speaker 1>the same because actually I don't spend a lot, but

0:17:30.109 --> 0:17:33.060
<v Speaker 1>if he needs something, I will spend on him. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a

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<v Speaker 2>mutual thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a mutual thing

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<v Speaker 2>and we are quite open about it. She even knew

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<v Speaker 2>my bank cuts pin.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh really? How early on did she know your three

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<v Speaker 2>to four years ago while we are in our third

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<v Speaker 2>year or

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<v Speaker 1>what made you guys decide to do that? I think

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<v Speaker 1>this is a cross over to a previous episode that

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<v Speaker 1>we did a while back

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<v Speaker 1>about financial intimacy. But anyway, we'll ask since we have

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<v Speaker 1>a real life example. So so what made you give

0:18:04.810 --> 0:18:07.530
<v Speaker 1>that kind of responsibility or

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<v Speaker 2>just feel very secure in our relationship? So I don't

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<v Speaker 2>mind her knowing like how much saving savings I have

0:18:14.420 --> 0:18:17.189
<v Speaker 2>or what I spent on. So I think it's the

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<v Speaker 2>same for her as

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<v Speaker 1>well. We don't have like a particular timing that okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I need to let him know my people, but there's

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<v Speaker 1>no

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<v Speaker 1>it's very um

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<v Speaker 2>just

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<v Speaker 1>natural, organic. Yeah. So it's like maybe he's like pressing

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<v Speaker 1>the p and then I just saw it.

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<v Speaker 2>I can just tell you the pin sometimes I would

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<v Speaker 2>even pass her my card to withdraw some money.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, that's normal. I guess trust for

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<v Speaker 2>housing part, I think

0:18:48.690 --> 0:18:53.010
<v Speaker 2>she had more opinions on it. It's quite easy.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of these thoughts and opinions

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<v Speaker 2>may be the locations like what type of house is

0:18:57.660 --> 0:19:00.620
<v Speaker 2>she would want for me. It's quite okay. I don't

0:19:00.619 --> 0:19:03.530
<v Speaker 2>really have any preference on it. As long as the

0:19:03.540 --> 0:19:07.649
<v Speaker 2>interior looks good and comfortable for me. Yeah. So on

0:19:07.650 --> 0:19:09.990
<v Speaker 2>this side I think we are

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<v Speaker 1>quite flexible like sort of compromise in that sense. And

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<v Speaker 1>for housing I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I think I want a room for myself. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>one thing. Is there a reason why is there something

0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:27.020
<v Speaker 1>we need to know? Work is work, your schedules and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>It's very different. And our work starts as early as

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<v Speaker 1>like seven years, we have to get up at six.

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<v Speaker 1>So if

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<v Speaker 2>we stay together in the room and disturb each other,

0:19:39.190 --> 0:19:42.830
<v Speaker 1>sleep in what way? I'm just asking?

0:19:43.500 --> 0:19:50.700
<v Speaker 1>It's like the alarm clock? Oh, okay. I didn't say anything.

0:19:50.710 --> 0:19:53.750
<v Speaker 1>You disturb each other still in the same room. That

0:19:53.750 --> 0:19:57.550
<v Speaker 1>sounded very, you know, like implied something. Anyway, so, so

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<v Speaker 1>you want your own room? Okay, let's get back to that.

0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:01.540
<v Speaker 1>You want your own room. But of course you will

0:20:01.540 --> 0:20:04.600
<v Speaker 1>still make the effort to spend the time together, Right?

0:20:04.609 --> 0:20:08.850
<v Speaker 1>It's more of a practical work standpoint.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So when you actually get married, are there plans

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<v Speaker 1>to like slow down on your career and stuff like

0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:19.080
<v Speaker 1>that or? No. I always wanted to slow down like

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<v Speaker 1>you Really? Okay. Actually, I thought I'm a career woman,

0:20:24.890 --> 0:20:31.780
<v Speaker 1>but as I age and as she ages. Okay, as

0:20:31.780 --> 0:20:34.480
<v Speaker 1>she ages, she says, And I feel that

0:20:34.830 --> 0:20:41.210
<v Speaker 1>actually work is not as important as the life life experiences.

0:20:41.220 --> 0:20:45.630
<v Speaker 1>So I wanted to slow down. I wanted to like, um,

0:20:46.609 --> 0:20:50.399
<v Speaker 1>what's that called? Be mindful. Be mindful of

0:20:50.410 --> 0:20:51.730
<v Speaker 2>what

0:20:51.740 --> 0:20:55.340
<v Speaker 1>surrounds me. Yeah, that's a good way of putting it.

0:20:55.350 --> 0:20:58.439
<v Speaker 1>I think sometimes we get so caught up in everything

0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:00.109
<v Speaker 1>that we do, we're always so busy and then sometimes

0:21:00.109 --> 0:21:03.570
<v Speaker 1>you see people's like social media like they are packed

0:21:03.580 --> 0:21:05.800
<v Speaker 1>every minute of the day. How do they do it?

0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:07.750
<v Speaker 1>You know that kind of thing? And then you think

0:21:07.750 --> 0:21:11.449
<v Speaker 1>also like, are you really enjoying your free time or

0:21:11.450 --> 0:21:14.530
<v Speaker 1>the fruits of your labor in that sense? Right? Yeah,

0:21:14.540 --> 0:21:17.100
<v Speaker 1>but career wise nick. How about you? Like, do you

0:21:17.100 --> 0:21:18.109
<v Speaker 1>also feel

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<v Speaker 2>um I want

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<v Speaker 1>to focus on your business or what, what are some things?

0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:24.830
<v Speaker 2>I think it's more like a passion to me and

0:21:24.830 --> 0:21:28.590
<v Speaker 2>if I can achieve financial freedom, I think I would

0:21:28.590 --> 0:21:31.680
<v Speaker 2>slow down as well. But I think it's more on balancing.

0:21:31.690 --> 0:21:34.800
<v Speaker 2>So if I can achieve financial freedom then maybe I'll

0:21:34.800 --> 0:21:37.430
<v Speaker 2>cut less on my work. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think in today's context it would be quite hard

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<v Speaker 2>to la so I will still carry on even after

0:21:44.670 --> 0:21:46.020
<v Speaker 2>our marriage

0:21:46.030 --> 0:21:48.360
<v Speaker 1>and you know, I'm sure it seems like you guys

0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:51.060
<v Speaker 1>are already at a very stable point. I don't think

0:21:51.060 --> 0:21:53.940
<v Speaker 1>much is gonna change after you actually sign the papers

0:21:53.940 --> 0:21:57.760
<v Speaker 1>and get married right. Were there anything any sort of

0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:00.050
<v Speaker 1>like points of contention where you were like, you don't

0:22:00.050 --> 0:22:02.440
<v Speaker 1>agree with each other? Were there any moments where you

0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:04.240
<v Speaker 1>disagree with each other?

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<v Speaker 1>Noah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think, I think, I think we resolve the problems,

0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:13.720
<v Speaker 1>so I can't really remember. So you solve it immediately.

0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:17.560
<v Speaker 1>That's how you solve your No, actually we sometimes we

0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:22.090
<v Speaker 1>talk like quite a few times before we solve the problem. Yeah,

0:22:22.100 --> 0:22:25.380
<v Speaker 1>but we will sort it out like we won't like

0:22:25.390 --> 0:22:26.590
<v Speaker 2>avoid,

0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:28.990
<v Speaker 1>it's like, what do we disagree on everything?

0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:30.970
<v Speaker 2>I think it's something very small and

0:22:31.109 --> 0:22:34.959
<v Speaker 1>very small. Like, who doesn't want to like invite you?

0:22:35.609 --> 0:22:41.280
<v Speaker 1>We don't want to invite your wedding. Yeah, Okay, that's it. Yeah.

0:22:41.290 --> 0:22:43.850
<v Speaker 1>You say like, oh, we need to invite this person

0:22:43.850 --> 0:22:45.920
<v Speaker 1>and I don't like this person,

0:22:46.890 --> 0:22:50.890
<v Speaker 1>something like that. That is hilarious. That's the only thing

0:22:50.890 --> 0:22:55.629
<v Speaker 1>that you disagreed on recently. Yeah. Recently. Fantastic. Fantastic. Okay,

0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:58.510
<v Speaker 1>so now that you are getting closer, I guess to

0:22:58.510 --> 0:23:01.720
<v Speaker 1>planning your wedding and stuff, looking back at, you know,

0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:05.990
<v Speaker 1>the proposal moment um and having that moment, like with

0:23:05.990 --> 0:23:08.980
<v Speaker 1>your friends and family, did your friends have anything to

0:23:08.980 --> 0:23:13.320
<v Speaker 1>say or to comment on the proposal? I

0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:14.780
<v Speaker 2>think the whole

0:23:15.040 --> 0:23:18.980
<v Speaker 2>the event was like, quite intimately. So they told me like,

0:23:18.990 --> 0:23:21.710
<v Speaker 2>they are quite touched, like, to see the whole the

0:23:21.710 --> 0:23:22.250
<v Speaker 1>whole process,

0:23:23.030 --> 0:23:23.879
<v Speaker 2>Most

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<v Speaker 1>of your friends engaged or about

0:23:25.630 --> 0:23:28.449
<v Speaker 2>to get married. Most of my friends are

0:23:28.460 --> 0:23:37.550
<v Speaker 1>okay. I think I'm the first few. Yeah. So in

0:23:37.550 --> 0:23:40.859
<v Speaker 1>that sense, do you feel pressure because a lot of

0:23:40.859 --> 0:23:42.430
<v Speaker 1>your friends were getting married

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<v Speaker 1>that you also felt like maybe I should step up

0:23:45.000 --> 0:23:47.180
<v Speaker 1>into that phase of life?

0:23:47.190 --> 0:23:50.930
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, initially I did. But later on, I feel like

0:23:50.940 --> 0:23:54.680
<v Speaker 2>everyone has their own pace of life. So just go

0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:57.600
<v Speaker 2>according to it. Don't have to be stressed over like

0:23:57.609 --> 0:24:02.420
<v Speaker 2>other people's lives or something. So later on was quite

0:24:02.430 --> 0:24:04.389
<v Speaker 2>okay for me was quite comfortable

0:24:04.400 --> 0:24:06.310
<v Speaker 1>because you know, I'm not sure if you guys agree

0:24:06.310 --> 0:24:08.239
<v Speaker 1>with me on this, but I had some friends who,

0:24:08.260 --> 0:24:10.050
<v Speaker 1>you know when all their friends start getting engaged, they

0:24:10.050 --> 0:24:11.800
<v Speaker 1>start to panic and it started to be like,

0:24:11.940 --> 0:24:13.820
<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, I feel the pressure I should be

0:24:13.820 --> 0:24:16.660
<v Speaker 1>getting married at this age, I should be having kids

0:24:16.670 --> 0:24:19.680
<v Speaker 1>at this age. You've never felt that way holding no,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm always felt that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still very young and have my career and I

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<v Speaker 1>know what I want, it's not a rush for me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean some people just have like a calling in

0:24:33.980 --> 0:24:36.120
<v Speaker 1>that sense, right, they just want to settle down and

0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:39.280
<v Speaker 1>have kids in that way. But your friends are not

0:24:39.290 --> 0:24:44.730
<v Speaker 1>planning or for my friends, Maybe not because

0:24:45.000 --> 0:24:50.400
<v Speaker 1>yes, like the same age as me, most singaporean women,

0:24:50.410 --> 0:24:54.930
<v Speaker 1>they are very independent. So now in this day and age, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't think they are in a rush. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so in all in all in good time, I would

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<v Speaker 1>say

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<v Speaker 1>any advice that you would like to share when it

0:25:04.820 --> 0:25:07.660
<v Speaker 1>comes to planning a proposal? I think this question could

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<v Speaker 1>be more

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<v Speaker 2>specifically to make,

0:25:09.730 --> 0:25:12.080
<v Speaker 1>how long did you take? Two plan the proposal?

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<v Speaker 2>The whole thing took like three months but away before

0:25:15.730 --> 0:25:16.949
<v Speaker 2>I already had this

0:25:17.910 --> 0:25:20.389
<v Speaker 2>sort of vision like how I want to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I wanted to create something special to both of

0:25:24.619 --> 0:25:28.180
<v Speaker 2>us because normally we love to when we travel overseas

0:25:28.180 --> 0:25:30.830
<v Speaker 2>we love to hike to see sunsets and also love

0:25:30.830 --> 0:25:34.570
<v Speaker 2>like water activities, diving and snorkeling and everything. So I

0:25:34.570 --> 0:25:38.180
<v Speaker 2>thought like I have to do it during sunset sunset.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's how I

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<v Speaker 2>got the first thing down then I slowly plan about it.

0:25:43.430 --> 0:25:45.770
<v Speaker 1>And you were praying that there was a good sunset

0:25:45.770 --> 0:25:46.570
<v Speaker 1>that

0:25:46.580 --> 0:25:51.060
<v Speaker 2>actually it rained that day. Oh right before luckily

0:25:51.070 --> 0:25:53.740
<v Speaker 1>actually after it rains I hear that the sunsets are

0:25:53.740 --> 0:25:57.210
<v Speaker 1>really nice. Was it? Yeah it was a nice day.

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<v Speaker 2>So my advice is no matter how much you plan

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<v Speaker 2>that there is screw ups for sure but I think

0:26:03.700 --> 0:26:05.210
<v Speaker 2>with the screw ups it make

0:26:05.420 --> 0:26:09.399
<v Speaker 2>it makes everything more memorable when we talk about it. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Right

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<v Speaker 1>okay so three months of planning and keeping that secret

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<v Speaker 2>from.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah when it comes to like people right I'm very

0:26:18.260 --> 0:26:23.040
<v Speaker 2>worried like someone accidentally say it out right? But luckily

0:26:23.050 --> 0:26:26.020
<v Speaker 2>they all kept their mouth shut out.

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<v Speaker 1>How many people knew about it in total aside from

0:26:29.750 --> 0:26:30.620
<v Speaker 1>her parents.

0:26:30.630 --> 0:26:31.540
<v Speaker 2>30 over

0:26:31.570 --> 0:26:35.730
<v Speaker 1>all of them. I mean they all knew such head

0:26:35.740 --> 0:26:39.630
<v Speaker 1>in advance. Oh my niece doesn't know. Oh

0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:40.320
<v Speaker 2>yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah my niece, it's like she's six years old. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think

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<v Speaker 2>for being like a bit more

0:26:47.690 --> 0:26:49.300
<v Speaker 1>she always like

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<v Speaker 2>say all the surprises so only she was carrying that

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<v Speaker 2>owe

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<v Speaker 1>me. So she thought that you guys were going on

0:26:57.780 --> 0:27:01.740
<v Speaker 1>like a birthday boat trip or something. Okay. Okay. That's

0:27:01.740 --> 0:27:04.240
<v Speaker 1>so cute though. She's going to look back at this

0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:07.020
<v Speaker 1>video and be like, I wasn't a blabber mouth

0:27:07.330 --> 0:27:10.100
<v Speaker 1>what you guys are talking about. Okay, but for, for

0:27:10.100 --> 0:27:12.730
<v Speaker 1>Hong ling, I'm guessing that you're going to say no

0:27:12.730 --> 0:27:17.600
<v Speaker 1>amount of preparation would have prepared you for that moment. Right? Actually,

0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:19.919
<v Speaker 1>I have not like prepared anything for this. I thought

0:27:19.920 --> 0:27:25.300
<v Speaker 1>like we are just having fun. Yeah, but luckily I

0:27:25.300 --> 0:27:28.590
<v Speaker 1>did my hair because I,

0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:31.320
<v Speaker 1>I just like put on a dress like with simple

0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:35.369
<v Speaker 1>hand makeup. I wanted that. But he told bony to

0:27:35.380 --> 0:27:40.020
<v Speaker 1>meet me there. Okay. Um our hair salon. So actually

0:27:40.020 --> 0:27:40.570
<v Speaker 1>I went

0:27:40.830 --> 0:27:46.820
<v Speaker 1>and luckily we took like nice pictures together. Yeah. How

0:27:46.820 --> 0:27:51.479
<v Speaker 1>about your nails? I think my nails as well. But coincidentally,

0:27:51.490 --> 0:27:55.740
<v Speaker 1>actually I always like did my nails for filming, so

0:27:55.750 --> 0:27:59.810
<v Speaker 1>it's always neat and clear. Okay, but not now. Yeah,

0:27:59.820 --> 0:28:02.850
<v Speaker 1>but in the moment. And so after experiencing all this,

0:28:02.859 --> 0:28:07.500
<v Speaker 1>do you feel that the whole concept of a proposal

0:28:07.670 --> 0:28:10.409
<v Speaker 1>has been overrated all these years, Is it still the

0:28:10.410 --> 0:28:13.379
<v Speaker 1>same now? Like you know, is it very important to

0:28:13.380 --> 0:28:18.190
<v Speaker 1>have that romantic proposal or something very small and simple

0:28:18.190 --> 0:28:21.980
<v Speaker 1>will do? Actually, I don't think it's very important if

0:28:21.990 --> 0:28:24.109
<v Speaker 1>two persons are very in love.

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:24.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:28:25.170 --> 0:28:30.670
<v Speaker 1>And actually I know that for many singaporeans, one of

0:28:30.680 --> 0:28:34.870
<v Speaker 1>the proposal options are the B. T. O. So actually

0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:38.630
<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't feel it. Not romantic. And actually

0:28:38.630 --> 0:28:41.900
<v Speaker 1>I feel very very sweet and it's like the next

0:28:41.900 --> 0:28:43.790
<v Speaker 1>phase of your life. So

0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:49.650
<v Speaker 1>There's nothing we don't have to have a very big problem.

0:28:49.660 --> 0:28:52.170
<v Speaker 1>Because I know you see some people in the news,

0:28:52.170 --> 0:28:55.630
<v Speaker 1>they're like, oh this guy flew up like 50 drones

0:28:55.630 --> 0:28:58.670
<v Speaker 1>or like put something on like, I don't know somewhere.

0:28:58.680 --> 0:29:03.760
<v Speaker 1>Have you seen those like you poorly huge proposals? Right.

0:29:03.770 --> 0:29:06.860
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know whether sometimes it stresses some guys

0:29:06.860 --> 0:29:10.030
<v Speaker 1>do like maybe that they feel like their partner expects

0:29:10.030 --> 0:29:11.500
<v Speaker 1>them to do something similar

0:29:11.740 --> 0:29:14.660
<v Speaker 1>as well. But I think that times are changing. Like

0:29:14.670 --> 0:29:18.390
<v Speaker 1>people are getting less fixated on these things, right? Do

0:29:18.390 --> 0:29:18.840
<v Speaker 1>you feel so?

0:29:18.850 --> 0:29:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I feel so because my friends, they actually still

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:25.030
<v Speaker 2>do like very simple proposal. But in the end it

0:29:25.040 --> 0:29:28.780
<v Speaker 2>just it's a moment between the couple. So what

0:29:29.060 --> 0:29:33.050
<v Speaker 2>matters most to them? It's the most important. Yeah.

0:29:33.060 --> 0:29:34.959
<v Speaker 1>Would you have been okay if it was just the

0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:37.720
<v Speaker 1>two of you? Like he just did it privately with

0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:41.470
<v Speaker 1>no friends and family. Actually, if he was he was

0:29:41.470 --> 0:29:45.530
<v Speaker 1>back at island. Yeah, it was like two of us

0:29:45.540 --> 0:29:46.340
<v Speaker 1>you thought it was going to

0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:53.410
<v Speaker 1>that was romantic. It's like a very romantic dinner by

0:29:53.410 --> 0:29:57.959
<v Speaker 1>the beach. Just the two of us flowers. So you

0:29:57.970 --> 0:30:00.560
<v Speaker 1>know it's happening. It's happening just like I did my nails.

0:30:00.820 --> 0:30:03.520
<v Speaker 1>I already have

0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:05.890
<v Speaker 2>to explain that because it's her birthday.

0:30:05.900 --> 0:30:07.560
<v Speaker 1>I knew

0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:10.730
<v Speaker 2>it was gonna be, I knew like she loved the beach,

0:30:10.740 --> 0:30:14.290
<v Speaker 2>like a dinner like Dina. So I asked the hotel

0:30:14.290 --> 0:30:17.290
<v Speaker 2>to plan something for us then I didn't expect like

0:30:17.300 --> 0:30:20.330
<v Speaker 2>they would do it so grand. You know, kinda like

0:30:20.340 --> 0:30:22.060
<v Speaker 2>leading to the heart and everything.

0:30:22.540 --> 0:30:25.660
<v Speaker 2>My heart was like red in color with roses

0:30:25.890 --> 0:30:25.970
<v Speaker 1>and

0:30:26.380 --> 0:30:29.640
<v Speaker 2>candles. Like is this like a bit too much. I

0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:32.610
<v Speaker 2>just want a simple, you know like by the beach dinner.

0:30:32.620 --> 0:30:36.450
<v Speaker 2>So in the end I posted online and people like,

0:30:36.460 --> 0:30:38.780
<v Speaker 2>is it, is it the time, is it like I'm

0:30:38.790 --> 0:30:42.260
<v Speaker 1>going to propose or something. I was like, you had

0:30:42.270 --> 0:30:44.250
<v Speaker 1>some fun and they give you a yacht.

0:30:44.710 --> 0:30:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And what was going through your mind when I

0:30:48.920 --> 0:30:52.150
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh my God, this is like way too

0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:56.830
<v Speaker 1>romantic for you to to be a normal dinner. Yeah, proposal.

0:30:56.830 --> 0:31:00.630
<v Speaker 1>But at the end of the dinner, there's nothing, you check, you,

0:31:00.630 --> 0:31:04.150
<v Speaker 1>check the champagne glass, anything

0:31:04.420 --> 0:31:06.770
<v Speaker 1>and he and nothing, nothing.

0:31:06.850 --> 0:31:09.130
<v Speaker 2>You

0:31:09.130 --> 0:31:12.870
<v Speaker 1>guys laughed about it after, I'm sure. Yeah, that was hilarious.

0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:15.310
<v Speaker 1>Thanks for sharing that with us. We have never known

0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:18.950
<v Speaker 1>that hilarious moment. So for myself, I think for my

0:31:18.950 --> 0:31:20.800
<v Speaker 1>friends and I sometimes we chat about this, I've got

0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:23.960
<v Speaker 1>a couple of close friends getting married this year and

0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:27.110
<v Speaker 1>next year as well. So, so we've talked about like,

0:31:27.110 --> 0:31:29.959
<v Speaker 1>you know if they were to get proposed to the

0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:32.180
<v Speaker 1>ones that haven't gotten engaged yet, like what it would

0:31:32.180 --> 0:31:34.030
<v Speaker 1>be like. And some my friends asked me as well

0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:37.080
<v Speaker 1>and I thought to myself like, you know, if my

0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:40.860
<v Speaker 1>partner were to propose to me in front of like

0:31:40.870 --> 0:31:45.650
<v Speaker 1>a crowd, I I would say no, I cannot deal,

0:31:45.660 --> 0:31:48.300
<v Speaker 1>I cannot deal with the public thing. I don't know. Okay.

0:31:48.300 --> 0:31:50.850
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't say I wouldn't say Nola. But I guess

0:31:50.850 --> 0:31:54.130
<v Speaker 1>that wouldn't be my ideal. Yeah, I think it would

0:31:54.140 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 1>be too much. It would be too much. I personally

0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:59.120
<v Speaker 1>feel that that kind of moment is,

0:31:59.140 --> 0:32:02.840
<v Speaker 1>is best done intimately, you know, alone or like with

0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:06.700
<v Speaker 1>a very, your inner circle sort of people that's about it. Yeah.

0:32:06.700 --> 0:32:09.360
<v Speaker 1>Like nothing crazy or fancy. I think that those are

0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:13.060
<v Speaker 1>my thoughts. Can imagine if it was like in the crowd,

0:32:13.070 --> 0:32:15.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, New Year's Eve, then the drone is like,

0:32:15.950 --> 0:32:20.280
<v Speaker 1>oh my God, like that would be so panic inducing, right?

0:32:20.280 --> 0:32:22.430
<v Speaker 1>You'd be so pressured in that moment. Thank you so

0:32:22.430 --> 0:32:24.830
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