1 00:00:00,009 --> 00:00:01,980 Speaker 1: Hi, say so, hey, Sarah and I'm Jermaine. 2 00:00:01,990 --> 00:00:05,388 Speaker 2: And welcome back to another episode of Clarity Hash Podcast 3 00:00:06,719 --> 00:00:08,899 Speaker 2: today here in the studio with us, we have a 4 00:00:08,909 --> 00:00:11,068 Speaker 2: very good friend of mine and this is the first 5 00:00:11,079 --> 00:00:15,029 Speaker 2: time ever at Harsh Podcast. In fact, any podcast, let's 6 00:00:15,039 --> 00:00:16,700 Speaker 2: give a warm welcome to the te 7 00:00:20,379 --> 00:00:23,610 Speaker 2: Hi, everyone. I'm thinking it's been an honor. 8 00:00:24,659 --> 00:00:27,430 Speaker 1: Just she told me that Harsh Podcast is on her 9 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:28,129 Speaker 1: bucket list. 10 00:00:28,139 --> 00:00:28,159 Speaker 2: It 11 00:00:28,639 --> 00:00:31,709 Speaker 2: really is because I've never been on a podcast. And 12 00:00:31,719 --> 00:00:34,450 Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, all for like being strong and feminine. 13 00:00:34,459 --> 00:00:37,369 Speaker 2: So she has a series called Strong yet Feminine on 14 00:00:37,380 --> 00:00:40,119 Speaker 2: her Instagram. So please check it out, but tell us 15 00:00:40,130 --> 00:00:40,610 Speaker 2: more about self. 16 00:00:40,756 --> 00:00:43,245 Speaker 2: Have you been up to? Ok. Right now, we are 17 00:00:43,256 --> 00:00:47,125 Speaker 2: promoting our new show to the Blockbuster. So it's basically 18 00:00:47,136 --> 00:00:50,375 Speaker 2: about um a plus size dance group. So, quite an 19 00:00:50,386 --> 00:00:53,645 Speaker 2: exciting project for me. And now I'm embarking on another 20 00:00:53,655 --> 00:00:57,655 Speaker 2: project called uh hu Ha. Like, yeah, that's the title 21 00:00:58,506 --> 00:01:00,895 Speaker 2: and we're starting soon. Oh, that's great. 22 00:01:01,762 --> 00:01:04,482 Speaker 2: I know that for the Blockbusters, he actually purposely put 23 00:01:04,491 --> 00:01:06,622 Speaker 2: on a lot of weight and it's insane, you know, 24 00:01:06,632 --> 00:01:08,912 Speaker 2: like one time I saw her, she was this size 25 00:01:08,921 --> 00:01:10,192 Speaker 2: the other time I saw her, she was like, 26 00:01:10,722 --> 00:01:12,461 Speaker 1: how much weight did you put on for that 27 00:01:12,472 --> 00:01:17,482 Speaker 2: series? I think it was about 10, like, 1.5 months, 28 00:01:17,491 --> 00:01:19,821 Speaker 2: two months, two months. So I did wish I had 29 00:01:19,831 --> 00:01:22,140 Speaker 2: more time because I felt that I didn't gain enough 30 00:01:23,349 --> 00:01:26,209 Speaker 2: because it's meant to be like a plus size dances. Screw. Right. So, 31 00:01:26,220 --> 00:01:28,650 Speaker 2: I didn't feel like I really lived up to the 32 00:01:28,660 --> 00:01:31,819 Speaker 2: plus size name. So that was a little regret on 33 00:01:31,830 --> 00:01:32,330 Speaker 2: my end. 34 00:01:32,459 --> 00:01:34,979 Speaker 1: What did you do to put on 10 kg of weight? 35 00:01:34,989 --> 00:01:35,269 Speaker 1: So 36 00:01:35,279 --> 00:01:35,369 Speaker 2: I 37 00:01:35,379 --> 00:01:37,289 Speaker 2: increased to four meals a day 38 00:01:37,669 --> 00:01:41,559 Speaker 2: and then um because I couldn't gain enough like fats 39 00:01:41,569 --> 00:01:43,830 Speaker 2: in time. So I used muscles as well. So I 40 00:01:43,839 --> 00:01:47,690 Speaker 2: went to the gym. Shout out to fit. Look. So yeah, 41 00:01:47,699 --> 00:01:51,769 Speaker 2: just to make myself look a bit bulkier and having 42 00:01:51,970 --> 00:01:54,319 Speaker 2: a chef as a boyfriend helped as well. Right. I'm 43 00:01:54,330 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 2: sure he fed you all the things you need to 44 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,129 Speaker 2: think was the most he ever cooked for me 45 00:01:59,610 --> 00:02:02,010 Speaker 2: because he will cook supper for me. And usually like, 46 00:02:02,019 --> 00:02:03,870 Speaker 2: you know, we just like take away or we go 47 00:02:03,879 --> 00:02:06,110 Speaker 2: out and eat. But yeah, this time around he did 48 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,758 Speaker 2: feed me a bit then in this process, did he 49 00:02:08,770 --> 00:02:10,429 Speaker 2: gain weight together with you? He said yes, 50 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,690 Speaker 1: I think it, you eat, eat. Yeah, but that's a pretty, 51 00:02:15,699 --> 00:02:18,500 Speaker 1: you know, extreme thing to do I think for your 52 00:02:18,508 --> 00:02:20,559 Speaker 1: job right? To gain 10 kg. 53 00:02:21,085 --> 00:02:25,065 Speaker 1: Now that it's over, have you lost the 10 kg 54 00:02:25,074 --> 00:02:28,024 Speaker 1: or are you not planning to do that? Because you 55 00:02:28,035 --> 00:02:30,365 Speaker 1: look the same as, you know, when I saw you 56 00:02:30,375 --> 00:02:31,994 Speaker 1: like a year ago. So I don't really know if 57 00:02:32,925 --> 00:02:36,845 Speaker 2: there's a reason why there's a pillow here. So after 58 00:02:36,854 --> 00:02:39,964 Speaker 2: I wrapped I did go back to doing cardio because 59 00:02:39,975 --> 00:02:41,675 Speaker 2: I didn't do cardio for like five months other than 60 00:02:41,684 --> 00:02:42,464 Speaker 2: the dancing part 61 00:02:42,850 --> 00:02:45,539 Speaker 2: and then I cut down my meals to two meals 62 00:02:45,550 --> 00:02:47,570 Speaker 2: a day. So I did intermittent fasting. I mean, I'm 63 00:02:47,580 --> 00:02:51,178 Speaker 2: still doing it now. Honestly, I haven't weighed myself because 64 00:02:51,190 --> 00:02:52,779 Speaker 2: I didn't, I don't see a need as long as 65 00:02:52,788 --> 00:02:55,020 Speaker 2: I feel healthy. I think that's all that matters because 66 00:02:55,029 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 2: I don't want to let a number define me, you know? Yeah. Yeah. 67 00:02:57,839 --> 00:03:00,429 Speaker 2: I'm all for that. So when I went for, like, 68 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,910 Speaker 2: the press conference they asked me, oh, so, like, how 69 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:04,740 Speaker 2: heavy are you now that I told them I have 70 00:03:04,750 --> 00:03:06,330 Speaker 2: no idea. I haven't. We in like, 71 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:07,779 Speaker 2: don't know how many months, 72 00:03:07,788 --> 00:03:08,220 Speaker 2: you know? 73 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,809 Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think while we have, you know, our 74 00:03:10,820 --> 00:03:13,990 Speaker 1: own preference of how we want to look like, I 75 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,448 Speaker 1: think we've also gotten to a stage in our lives 76 00:03:17,460 --> 00:03:18,789 Speaker 1: where healthy, more important, 77 00:03:21,029 --> 00:03:23,279 Speaker 2: you know, sometimes I look at Jenny and the views 78 00:03:23,288 --> 00:03:24,839 Speaker 2: that she put up so she is a bit of 79 00:03:24,850 --> 00:03:25,210 Speaker 2: like 80 00:03:25,559 --> 00:03:29,309 Speaker 2: a belly. She naturally has baby fats. Right. Like, it's 81 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,130 Speaker 2: a very natural thing. It's not like bulging out or anything, 82 00:03:32,139 --> 00:03:35,100 Speaker 2: but just seeing that on her makes me think like, hey, 83 00:03:35,110 --> 00:03:38,449 Speaker 2: actually it's ok. And in some of her Calvin Klein shoots, right, 84 00:03:38,460 --> 00:03:41,289 Speaker 2: she actually, you know, she would sit down such that 85 00:03:41,300 --> 00:03:44,669 Speaker 2: her roles would form and those photos will be used 86 00:03:44,679 --> 00:03:47,490 Speaker 2: for the actual campaign. And I love that. So you 87 00:03:47,500 --> 00:03:49,889 Speaker 2: who to say you are fat or you're skinny, You know, 88 00:03:50,089 --> 00:03:52,479 Speaker 2: because you're healthy and you're happy in your own skin. 89 00:03:52,490 --> 00:03:54,059 Speaker 2: I think that's most important. I have a 90 00:03:54,070 --> 00:03:56,660 Speaker 1: question, right? Because I feel like this is why I 91 00:03:56,669 --> 00:03:58,419 Speaker 1: can never be an actress. They ask me to put 92 00:03:58,470 --> 00:03:59,929 Speaker 1: on weight for a role, right? I may not be 93 00:03:59,940 --> 00:04:03,339 Speaker 1: strong enough to deal with how I would look if 94 00:04:03,350 --> 00:04:06,229 Speaker 1: I had to gain that much weight. Were you prepared 95 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:07,009 Speaker 1: for that? Ok. 96 00:04:07,020 --> 00:04:07,029 Speaker 2: I 97 00:04:07,039 --> 00:04:09,289 Speaker 2: think because I'm doing it for a purpose, right? I'm 98 00:04:09,300 --> 00:04:11,429 Speaker 2: doing it for a drama. So I did see a 99 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,509 Speaker 2: difference in my appearance and also there were some 100 00:04:14,850 --> 00:04:17,260 Speaker 2: not very nice people commenting that, you know, you have 101 00:04:17,269 --> 00:04:19,209 Speaker 2: gained weight, you look like that kind of stuff. Yeah, 102 00:04:19,220 --> 00:04:20,909 Speaker 2: I I got those comments and 103 00:04:21,178 --> 00:04:24,980 Speaker 2: my clothes started to not fit. So I was like, oh, ok. 104 00:04:24,988 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 2: Now we have another problem. Do I buy new clothes 105 00:04:27,329 --> 00:04:30,750 Speaker 2: or what? What do I do now? Yeah. But appearance wise, 106 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,130 Speaker 2: I think I was like more of like, oh I 107 00:04:33,140 --> 00:04:35,089 Speaker 2: did it, you know, I actually did it. Yeah. OK. 108 00:04:35,100 --> 00:04:38,459 Speaker 2: Rather than go. Right. I wasn't exactly affected because I 109 00:04:38,470 --> 00:04:41,299 Speaker 2: knew I was working towards like, you know, changing my 110 00:04:41,309 --> 00:04:42,980 Speaker 2: whole entire period. Literally. 111 00:04:42,988 --> 00:04:43,269 Speaker 1: I think 112 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,670 Speaker 1: this is something that we've spoken about before, but not 113 00:04:45,678 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: at length and we're very happy to have taken here 114 00:04:47,928 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: to speak about that with because it's very pertinent 115 00:04:50,950 --> 00:04:55,250 Speaker 1: weight, right? Our weight, our size, our looks. Have you 116 00:04:55,260 --> 00:04:58,309 Speaker 1: ever heard of this term called Pretty Privilege? 117 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,649 Speaker 2: I have. But there's also this Chinese saying 118 00:05:03,190 --> 00:05:05,799 Speaker 2: it translates there's no such thing as an ugly woman, 119 00:05:05,809 --> 00:05:06,808 Speaker 2: only a lazy woman. 120 00:05:06,820 --> 00:05:07,100 Speaker 1: Do you 121 00:05:07,109 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: agree that there's no such thing as an ugly woman? 122 00:05:09,649 --> 00:05:11,859 Speaker 1: Just a lazy woman who I'm assuming what you mean 123 00:05:11,869 --> 00:05:14,019 Speaker 1: is don't put enough effort into the 124 00:05:14,119 --> 00:05:14,339 Speaker 1: look. 125 00:05:14,350 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 2: Of course, I do. Have you seen those videos where 126 00:05:16,730 --> 00:05:18,969 Speaker 2: this Chinese woman looks like this before she put her 127 00:05:18,988 --> 00:05:21,850 Speaker 2: makeup and like Angela baby after you, after she put 128 00:05:21,859 --> 00:05:26,078 Speaker 2: her makeup like prosthetic nose or something like 129 00:05:27,276 --> 00:05:28,075 Speaker 1: everywhere. Yeah, 130 00:05:28,085 --> 00:05:31,365 Speaker 2: exactly. So a lot of effort goes into that she 131 00:05:31,376 --> 00:05:32,156 Speaker 2: becomes pretty. 132 00:05:32,165 --> 00:05:34,605 Speaker 1: But then again, right? Who's to say she was ugly 133 00:05:34,615 --> 00:05:36,255 Speaker 1: before she did that and that she had to do 134 00:05:36,265 --> 00:05:40,055 Speaker 1: that every day, right? It's beauty standards. But I believe 135 00:05:40,065 --> 00:05:42,846 Speaker 1: in pretty privilege and pretty can mean different things to 136 00:05:42,855 --> 00:05:45,645 Speaker 1: everyone in different cultures. But it's like if you present 137 00:05:45,656 --> 00:05:49,145 Speaker 1: yourself well, you hold yourself with confidence, you look 138 00:05:49,261 --> 00:05:53,242 Speaker 1: nice, pleasant. You tend to, I guess receive a bit 139 00:05:53,252 --> 00:05:54,152 Speaker 1: more kindness from the 140 00:05:54,161 --> 00:05:54,582 Speaker 1: world. 141 00:05:54,652 --> 00:05:56,881 Speaker 2: Actually, I beg to differ. I think pretty privilege is 142 00:05:56,891 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: more of a first impression kind of thing. If you 143 00:05:59,212 --> 00:06:02,731 Speaker 2: look good, you look sexy, you look hot naturally. You 144 00:06:02,742 --> 00:06:06,721 Speaker 2: have a bit more advantage in life. Like for example, 145 00:06:06,731 --> 00:06:08,832 Speaker 2: there were two different occasions where I went to buy 146 00:06:08,842 --> 00:06:12,161 Speaker 2: Thai Fun. OK. Ok. OK. The first one, 147 00:06:12,609 --> 00:06:16,089 Speaker 2: pajamas, no makeup on hair in a mess. Go and 148 00:06:16,100 --> 00:06:18,579 Speaker 2: buy Taipan. This amount of money, I get this amount 149 00:06:18,589 --> 00:06:22,349 Speaker 2: of food right? The other time I went full on makeup. 150 00:06:22,359 --> 00:06:24,808 Speaker 2: I was in a very nice dress. After hosting an event, 151 00:06:24,820 --> 00:06:29,130 Speaker 2: I went down to get same shop cheaper, more ingredients. 152 00:06:30,299 --> 00:06:30,540 Speaker 2: I never 153 00:06:30,559 --> 00:06:33,789 Speaker 1: ever kid. It was auntie running the store. It was 154 00:06:33,799 --> 00:06:33,808 Speaker 1: a 155 00:06:33,820 --> 00:06:34,339 Speaker 2: guy 156 00:06:34,350 --> 00:06:34,410 Speaker 1: in 157 00:06:34,420 --> 00:06:37,399 Speaker 2: his thirties twenties. 158 00:06:38,359 --> 00:06:40,729 Speaker 1: You never check your, got his phone number inside. 159 00:06:43,738 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: I think everyone likes nice things or likes to look 160 00:06:47,769 --> 00:06:50,859 Speaker 1: at things that looks nice and where it gets a 161 00:06:50,869 --> 00:06:53,790 Speaker 1: little bit more severe I would think is that I 162 00:06:53,799 --> 00:06:56,049 Speaker 1: think pretty privilege 163 00:06:57,079 --> 00:07:01,730 Speaker 1: like in the sense where you have more opportunities or 164 00:07:01,738 --> 00:07:03,510 Speaker 1: you have more doors opening for you 165 00:07:03,910 --> 00:07:07,540 Speaker 1: because like let's say you get hired for a job 166 00:07:07,549 --> 00:07:09,488 Speaker 1: over someone else because of your good looks. 167 00:07:09,500 --> 00:07:09,809 Speaker 2: But 168 00:07:09,820 --> 00:07:13,970 Speaker 2: then again, it also depends on the industry. Like for example, actors, right? 169 00:07:14,190 --> 00:07:17,359 Speaker 2: Not everybody has to be the pretty kind otherwise there 170 00:07:17,369 --> 00:07:19,529 Speaker 2: won't be enough like roles to play, you know, 171 00:07:20,890 --> 00:07:23,820 Speaker 1: have you experienced pretty privilege because you are very pretty 172 00:07:23,829 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: if no one before 173 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:25,910 Speaker 1: you. 174 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,089 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I guess, but maybe I take that 175 00:07:30,100 --> 00:07:32,890 Speaker 2: for granted. So that's why I don't remember. 176 00:07:33,579 --> 00:07:36,470 Speaker 2: Wait, so before you gain weight and after you gain weight, 177 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,250 Speaker 2: for example, do you notice a difference in the way 178 00:07:39,260 --> 00:07:42,769 Speaker 2: people treat you? Definitely the comments are nastier but in 179 00:07:42,779 --> 00:07:44,690 Speaker 2: terms of the people around me, I think because they 180 00:07:44,700 --> 00:07:46,730 Speaker 2: are all aware that I'm doing this for a role. 181 00:07:46,739 --> 00:07:49,339 Speaker 2: So it was more like a respect more than like 182 00:07:49,350 --> 00:07:52,010 Speaker 2: seeing me as you know, ugly or anything. What if 183 00:07:52,019 --> 00:07:54,089 Speaker 2: you decide not to lose the weight that you gain? 184 00:07:54,282 --> 00:07:57,842 Speaker 1: Do you think someone will say something like, oh, you 185 00:07:57,852 --> 00:07:59,203 Speaker 1: don't want to go back to what you 186 00:07:59,213 --> 00:08:00,092 Speaker 1: used to look like. 187 00:08:00,102 --> 00:08:04,122 Speaker 2: Confirm because the actress, no, everyone has actually many people 188 00:08:04,132 --> 00:08:06,153 Speaker 2: have asked me that question like, oh, so now that 189 00:08:06,162 --> 00:08:07,433 Speaker 2: you a r are you going to lose weight as 190 00:08:07,442 --> 00:08:10,713 Speaker 2: fast as you can? So she is as fast as 191 00:08:10,722 --> 00:08:12,513 Speaker 2: you can to me, it's like, why do I need 192 00:08:12,523 --> 00:08:14,842 Speaker 2: to put that kind of pressure on myself? You know, I, 193 00:08:14,955 --> 00:08:17,746 Speaker 2: I don't think I'm ugly. I'm healthy. In fact, I 194 00:08:17,756 --> 00:08:21,895 Speaker 2: gain rather healthy weight because I still exercise, right? So 195 00:08:21,906 --> 00:08:24,395 Speaker 2: that's why I did that post like few months ago 196 00:08:24,406 --> 00:08:26,235 Speaker 2: after I read like saying that I want to take 197 00:08:26,246 --> 00:08:28,305 Speaker 2: my time to lose weight because you know, I want 198 00:08:28,316 --> 00:08:30,186 Speaker 2: to prioritize my mental health because at the end of 199 00:08:30,235 --> 00:08:32,655 Speaker 2: the day is my journey. You know, and I'm very 200 00:08:32,666 --> 00:08:35,085 Speaker 2: lucky because I have a very supportive, like, support system. 201 00:08:35,184 --> 00:08:35,616 Speaker 2: So 202 00:08:36,059 --> 00:08:39,669 Speaker 2: I feel rather secure, I guess. But of course, the 203 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,119 Speaker 2: whole losing weight part is just for me to feel 204 00:08:42,130 --> 00:08:45,689 Speaker 2: better like my stamina and everything because it really took 205 00:08:45,700 --> 00:08:47,429 Speaker 2: a toll on my stamina, you know, the weight that 206 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,549 Speaker 2: I put on right naturally. Right. And do you feel 207 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,320 Speaker 2: more tired, more lazy? You know, I actually do. And 208 00:08:53,330 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 2: then also like, so, you know, when we go for events, right? 209 00:08:56,289 --> 00:08:58,609 Speaker 2: And then, you know, we get clothes from clients and stuff, 210 00:08:58,619 --> 00:09:01,929 Speaker 2: I'm no longer sample size. So a lot of things 211 00:09:01,940 --> 00:09:03,780 Speaker 2: don't fit if, let's say if it's a 212 00:09:03,905 --> 00:09:06,875 Speaker 2: campaign or anything. So, to me that is kind of 213 00:09:06,885 --> 00:09:09,885 Speaker 2: like an issue because it does affect my work. Yeah. Yeah. 214 00:09:09,895 --> 00:09:12,544 Speaker 2: So it's more of these things that I think of 215 00:09:12,554 --> 00:09:14,843 Speaker 2: not because of like appearance wise. I 216 00:09:14,854 --> 00:09:17,215 Speaker 1: like it that you take it in stride and the 217 00:09:17,224 --> 00:09:20,525 Speaker 1: priorities are where they should lie, correct. And really, you know, 218 00:09:20,534 --> 00:09:22,655 Speaker 1: I don't know, it inspires me to like, not think 219 00:09:22,664 --> 00:09:23,974 Speaker 1: so much about that. I think one of my biggest 220 00:09:23,984 --> 00:09:29,064 Speaker 1: fear is like being pregnant and after giving birth, everyone's like, oh, like, 221 00:09:29,075 --> 00:09:30,885 Speaker 1: you know, when are you gonna lose weight? How much 222 00:09:30,895 --> 00:09:31,765 Speaker 1: weight you lose? Like 223 00:09:32,070 --> 00:09:36,549 Speaker 1: they always celebrate, they celebrate the mothers on IG who 224 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,340 Speaker 1: like after giving birth, like after a month they're like 225 00:09:39,349 --> 00:09:42,849 Speaker 1: sticks in. I'm like, where did your baby weight go? 226 00:09:42,859 --> 00:09:43,070 Speaker 1: But 227 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:44,340 Speaker 2: sometimes it's genetic, you know. 228 00:09:44,349 --> 00:09:44,809 Speaker 1: Yeah. No. 229 00:09:44,820 --> 00:09:47,450 Speaker 1: Absolutely. But it's like, don't put that kind of pressure 230 00:09:47,460 --> 00:09:48,859 Speaker 1: on yourself because it's not 231 00:09:48,869 --> 00:09:49,429 Speaker 1: healthy. 232 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:50,090 Speaker 2: It, this reminds me 233 00:09:50,164 --> 00:09:52,585 Speaker 2: me of this k pop drama I watched some years 234 00:09:52,594 --> 00:09:56,375 Speaker 2: ago it's called Leading Fairy Kimbo. So the female lead, 235 00:09:56,385 --> 00:09:59,025 Speaker 2: she actually gained weight for that role in the show 236 00:09:59,354 --> 00:10:02,565 Speaker 2: and I haven't seen her prior to that show in 237 00:10:02,575 --> 00:10:04,974 Speaker 2: that show. I thought she looks cute. She looks like 238 00:10:05,085 --> 00:10:08,184 Speaker 2: a bit of like chubbiness on her cheeks. Very cute. 239 00:10:08,500 --> 00:10:11,250 Speaker 2: But right after that show, she turned into someone like 240 00:10:11,260 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 2: I could not recognize her. She turned into like the 241 00:10:14,289 --> 00:10:19,390 Speaker 2: very slim slender female model that everybody prior to that 242 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,150 Speaker 2: show knew her as in the span of what, one month. 243 00:10:22,390 --> 00:10:26,090 Speaker 2: I don't know how she did that, but the environment 244 00:10:26,099 --> 00:10:27,989 Speaker 2: that she was put in must have previ her into 245 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 2: doing that in the shortest possible time. 246 00:10:30,450 --> 00:10:30,460 Speaker 1: I 247 00:10:30,469 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: think the problem is that 248 00:10:32,340 --> 00:10:36,169 Speaker 1: these people do it for a living, right? They have 249 00:10:36,179 --> 00:10:38,049 Speaker 1: all the help that they need. They have all the 250 00:10:38,059 --> 00:10:41,059 Speaker 1: resources that they need. But the problem is that when 251 00:10:41,070 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: it's being portrayed that way, it's the run of the 252 00:10:43,770 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: male woman that feel less because they can't be that 253 00:10:47,969 --> 00:10:50,939 Speaker 1: or they can't lose weight that quick recently, right? I 254 00:10:50,950 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: saw this video of someone I know like normal person. 255 00:10:54,979 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: Um and then she had just given birth. So she 256 00:10:57,409 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: made this video of herself a month after she gave 257 00:11:00,890 --> 00:11:03,339 Speaker 1: birth where she still had the weight. And then at 258 00:11:03,349 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: the end of it was her like three or four 259 00:11:05,090 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: months after she had given birth and she was completely 260 00:11:07,570 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: back to normal size, like stick thin. 261 00:11:10,179 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: And I mean, I know you're proud of yourself because 262 00:11:11,969 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: you did all the work you worked hard for it, 263 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,030 Speaker 1: work hard for it. But I just felt like why 264 00:11:16,039 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: is this the standard all I can say is that 265 00:11:19,409 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 1: I agree with this person on Reddit, she says being 266 00:11:22,729 --> 00:11:26,429 Speaker 1: pretty is a time consuming skill, right? Which kind of 267 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,510 Speaker 1: what you said if you're lazy, you know, it's hard 268 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,218 Speaker 1: to get there because you spend a lot of time 269 00:11:31,229 --> 00:11:34,809 Speaker 1: in yourself walking out eating well, right? Doing makeup, do 270 00:11:34,820 --> 00:11:37,340 Speaker 1: your hair, doing your nails, doing your God knows what 271 00:11:37,349 --> 00:11:39,859 Speaker 1: you do to yourself. And this person says that 272 00:11:40,359 --> 00:11:43,530 Speaker 1: I'm pretty privileged enough in the sense that when I 273 00:11:43,539 --> 00:11:45,669 Speaker 1: do my makeup and I have full glam, I actually 274 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,580 Speaker 1: get better treatment, right? When I don't wear makeup, it's 275 00:11:49,590 --> 00:11:52,260 Speaker 1: like I'm invisible to the world. I can't even get 276 00:11:52,270 --> 00:11:54,380 Speaker 1: the waiter to come and take my order and she 277 00:11:54,390 --> 00:11:55,339 Speaker 1: she feels like 278 00:11:55,780 --> 00:11:58,710 Speaker 1: being pretty is such a time consuming skill or maybe 279 00:11:58,719 --> 00:12:02,710 Speaker 1: the problem is being a female because like as a female, 280 00:12:02,719 --> 00:12:05,489 Speaker 1: why make up no makeup makes a difference. But as 281 00:12:05,500 --> 00:12:07,630 Speaker 1: a guy make up, no makeup doesn't make a difference. 282 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:07,750 Speaker 1: But 283 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 2: as 284 00:12:07,890 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: a guy good body, 285 00:12:08,690 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 2: bad body makes a difference. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Or maybe 286 00:12:14,210 --> 00:12:15,390 Speaker 2: the way you dress as well 287 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,510 Speaker 1: you carry yourself. Ok, let's say, don't talk about the 288 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,539 Speaker 1: way they carry themselves, right? Just good body and not 289 00:12:24,549 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: so great body, 290 00:12:25,289 --> 00:12:27,119 Speaker 2: normal. Ok. Not so great. A 291 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,710 Speaker 1: great body. Do you think they actually get different treatments? No, 292 00:12:31,719 --> 00:12:33,710 Speaker 1: I don't think for guys it's about the way you look. 293 00:12:33,719 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: I think for guys, it's about how you present yourself 294 00:12:37,150 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 1: and your status 295 00:12:39,210 --> 00:12:42,969 Speaker 1: be really, really rich and really fucking ugly and you 296 00:12:42,979 --> 00:12:44,770 Speaker 1: would still be treated well. I want to add on 297 00:12:44,780 --> 00:12:48,270 Speaker 1: to that. Right? Let's say it was a woman who 298 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:53,150 Speaker 1: is very rich and successful and fucking ugly. 299 00:12:54,239 --> 00:12:58,349 Speaker 1: How, what do you mean? How, what's the question? So 300 00:12:58,359 --> 00:13:00,710 Speaker 1: we were saying that if it was a man who, 301 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:04,609 Speaker 1: because their status matters, right? So if he's fucking rich 302 00:13:04,619 --> 00:13:08,229 Speaker 1: and successful, but then bloody ugly, he would still get 303 00:13:08,239 --> 00:13:11,030 Speaker 1: the respect and you would still be celebrated. But if 304 00:13:11,039 --> 00:13:12,789 Speaker 1: it was a woman, would 305 00:13:13,299 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: your looks still be of concern? Yes, status is not 306 00:13:16,650 --> 00:13:20,069 Speaker 1: enough for a woman. That's I truly believe that historically, 307 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,090 Speaker 1: women have put in so much more effort into our 308 00:13:22,099 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: looks and it's become like the baseline is so high 309 00:13:24,770 --> 00:13:27,919 Speaker 1: these days. But men, historically, you don't need to put 310 00:13:27,929 --> 00:13:30,218 Speaker 1: in as much effort. So a lot of men do 311 00:13:30,229 --> 00:13:32,770 Speaker 1: these days and I think that's a great thing. But 312 00:13:32,780 --> 00:13:35,809 Speaker 1: for men it's more about status than anything then let's 313 00:13:35,820 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: talk 314 00:13:35,969 --> 00:13:36,190 Speaker 2: about 315 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:40,250 Speaker 2: double standards. Sure. Like why these double standards, why is 316 00:13:40,260 --> 00:13:41,119 Speaker 2: it that a woman? 317 00:13:41,690 --> 00:13:43,390 Speaker 2: No, we, we have to look good when a man 318 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,989 Speaker 2: can look ugly, go to buy food in like slippers, 319 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,939 Speaker 2: stuff like that. I don't think that's fair. It's not fair. 320 00:13:49,950 --> 00:13:53,059 Speaker 2: You know, I think it's just a stereotype that society 321 00:13:53,070 --> 00:13:57,210 Speaker 2: has already decided on, decided on from a long time ago. Ok. 322 00:13:57,219 --> 00:13:59,789 Speaker 2: What if today? Right? You go out on the streets 323 00:13:59,799 --> 00:14:03,309 Speaker 2: to see this very handsome guy, good body and stuff 324 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:03,750 Speaker 2: with 325 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,479 Speaker 2: a girlfriend, a partner who is big, big fat, fat, 326 00:14:07,489 --> 00:14:07,809 Speaker 1: chubby, 327 00:14:07,929 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 2: chubby. What would you think? Honestly, I, especially in this 328 00:14:13,330 --> 00:14:16,500 Speaker 2: day and age, I think like, you know, diversity, 329 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:17,309 Speaker 1: I 330 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:17,929 Speaker 1: would think they are 331 00:14:17,940 --> 00:14:18,979 Speaker 1: siblings. 332 00:14:19,719 --> 00:14:20,580 Speaker 2: You would not think, 333 00:14:20,679 --> 00:14:23,599 Speaker 2: yeah, in a romantic relationship or are they kissing? No, 334 00:14:23,609 --> 00:14:24,409 Speaker 2: just walking down 335 00:14:25,030 --> 00:14:28,450 Speaker 1: holding hands then yell. But if they were not holding hands, 336 00:14:28,539 --> 00:14:31,460 Speaker 1: my first instinct would be our colleagues, friends or siblings. 337 00:14:31,469 --> 00:14:32,659 Speaker 1: But why? Just 338 00:14:32,669 --> 00:14:34,429 Speaker 2: because I don't think a man like that would be 339 00:14:34,510 --> 00:14:36,039 Speaker 1: stereotype is less likely. 340 00:14:36,049 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 2: But what if a slim woman is with a plus 341 00:14:39,289 --> 00:14:39,700 Speaker 2: size men? 342 00:14:39,710 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: That stereotype is everywhere? 343 00:14:43,650 --> 00:14:45,460 Speaker 1: I would not even flinch. Would people 344 00:14:45,469 --> 00:14:49,340 Speaker 2: think? Ok, this man is probably very rich. He probably 345 00:14:49,349 --> 00:14:50,299 Speaker 2: has it all. 346 00:14:50,309 --> 00:14:51,460 Speaker 1: Perhaps there could 347 00:14:51,469 --> 00:14:52,619 Speaker 2: be siblings 348 00:14:54,409 --> 00:14:55,390 Speaker 2: for all we know 349 00:14:55,479 --> 00:14:56,020 Speaker 1: they could be 350 00:14:56,030 --> 00:14:58,570 Speaker 1: siblings. It's very unfair. Don't you think so? You know, 351 00:14:58,580 --> 00:15:00,750 Speaker 1: there's just the more we talk about it right there, 352 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,830 Speaker 1: like more problems appearing. I think we should be like birds. 353 00:15:04,609 --> 00:15:07,429 Speaker 1: I think we should be like birds. But again, but, 354 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,940 Speaker 1: you know, but where the males are usually the better 355 00:15:09,950 --> 00:15:13,979 Speaker 1: looking but because they need to like, get the female attention, 356 00:15:13,989 --> 00:15:14,270 Speaker 2: I never 357 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:15,179 Speaker 2: knew that. I never 358 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:16,820 Speaker 1: geographic 359 00:15:17,421 --> 00:15:19,392 Speaker 1: like, like peacocks, for example, you know, the one of 360 00:15:19,401 --> 00:15:22,942 Speaker 1: the feathers are males because they need to call the woman. 361 00:15:22,952 --> 00:15:24,762 Speaker 1: So they need to look nicer. I think we should have. 362 00:15:27,661 --> 00:15:30,711 Speaker 1: But I think it gets problematic in situations and I 363 00:15:30,721 --> 00:15:34,171 Speaker 1: think our PD brought this up is that in situations 364 00:15:34,182 --> 00:15:37,731 Speaker 1: of like sexual harassment where for example, a woman is 365 00:15:37,742 --> 00:15:39,452 Speaker 1: plus sized or not 366 00:15:39,723 --> 00:15:43,744 Speaker 1: considered conventionally pretty. Most times their stories are not as 367 00:15:43,833 --> 00:15:48,564 Speaker 1: trusted or credible. No, it's literally insane. Like how can 368 00:15:48,573 --> 00:15:48,693 Speaker 1: that 369 00:15:48,703 --> 00:15:52,973 Speaker 2: be in the Blockbusters? We had a case similar to this. Yeah. 370 00:15:52,984 --> 00:15:55,643 Speaker 2: So basically a plus size girl, I would say who 371 00:15:56,104 --> 00:16:00,354 Speaker 2: she got sexually harassed and nobody believed her only I 372 00:16:00,364 --> 00:16:02,193 Speaker 2: believed her because I was her friend. 373 00:16:02,835 --> 00:16:06,755 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is, it actually happened and apparently it's based 374 00:16:06,765 --> 00:16:09,705 Speaker 2: on a true story as well. Yeah. So what happened 375 00:16:09,716 --> 00:16:13,495 Speaker 2: in the show is that the girl, she herself didn't 376 00:16:13,505 --> 00:16:17,226 Speaker 2: feel confident to tell the truth because she just assumed that, 377 00:16:17,395 --> 00:16:19,995 Speaker 2: you know, everyone wouldn't be. Yeah, no one would believe her. 378 00:16:20,005 --> 00:16:23,635 Speaker 2: But after her friends encouragement, she decided to, you know, 379 00:16:23,645 --> 00:16:25,106 Speaker 2: report to the police and stuff. 380 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,030 Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I think some girls, they feel like, oh, 381 00:16:29,039 --> 00:16:32,940 Speaker 2: they just assume that they're not gonna, they're not gonna get, like, 382 00:16:32,950 --> 00:16:35,869 Speaker 2: the justice that they need, you know? That's so sad. 383 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,059 Speaker 2: Like I said, I think being molested, being sexually harassed, 384 00:16:39,070 --> 00:16:41,549 Speaker 2: that act itself is already wrong regardless, 385 00:16:41,599 --> 00:16:42,099 Speaker 2: you know. 386 00:16:42,109 --> 00:16:43,859 Speaker 1: Yeah. So, don't be afraid to speak up and 387 00:16:44,114 --> 00:16:45,965 Speaker 1: get friends who support you if they are friends who 388 00:16:45,974 --> 00:16:48,385 Speaker 1: tell you, I don't think you should. Yeah. Cut them off. 389 00:16:48,645 --> 00:16:51,744 Speaker 1: They are not your friends. That's so insane because how 390 00:16:51,755 --> 00:16:54,825 Speaker 1: can credibility be tied to what you look like? But 391 00:16:54,835 --> 00:16:58,484 Speaker 1: it is, it is our, our society unfortunately is quite 392 00:16:58,494 --> 00:17:01,114 Speaker 1: superficial in the sense that looks are tied to a 393 00:17:01,125 --> 00:17:02,424 Speaker 1: lot of things. Like for example, 394 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,780 Speaker 1: there's this K Pop Idol, her name is Chong Yon. 395 00:17:05,790 --> 00:17:09,569 Speaker 1: She's from twice. She went through a lot of struggles 396 00:17:09,579 --> 00:17:11,150 Speaker 1: with her mental health in the last few years. I 397 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,770 Speaker 1: don't know if she was on anti depressants, but a 398 00:17:13,780 --> 00:17:17,189 Speaker 1: lot of antidepressants actually made you gain weight. So I 399 00:17:17,199 --> 00:17:19,188 Speaker 1: don't know if it was linked to her mental health 400 00:17:19,300 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: that she had gained some weight over the years. This 401 00:17:21,530 --> 00:17:23,189 Speaker 1: is a fact, right? I'm not saying like, oh she's fat. 402 00:17:23,199 --> 00:17:25,900 Speaker 1: She gained weight and she actually took a step back 403 00:17:25,910 --> 00:17:28,379 Speaker 1: from twice and took a step back from promoting 404 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,379 Speaker 1: because she wasn't feeling well. And even when she came back, 405 00:17:31,390 --> 00:17:34,569 Speaker 1: she was obviously like larger than the other girls, right? 406 00:17:34,949 --> 00:17:38,829 Speaker 1: And there are two camps of fans, right? One camp 407 00:17:38,839 --> 00:17:40,739 Speaker 1: they're very supportive of her and they're like, oh, you 408 00:17:40,750 --> 00:17:43,170 Speaker 1: Jo looks great. Like, please put her in the center, 409 00:17:43,180 --> 00:17:45,939 Speaker 1: please give her more lines. There's another camp of fans 410 00:17:46,025 --> 00:17:48,964 Speaker 1: that are like, why is such a fat girl promoting 411 00:17:48,974 --> 00:17:50,175 Speaker 1: as a K pop idol? You're 412 00:17:50,185 --> 00:17:52,444 Speaker 2: not living up to the standards of being a K idol. 413 00:17:53,474 --> 00:17:56,064 Speaker 2: This is the same case as we have 20 one's pop. 414 00:17:56,844 --> 00:17:58,094 Speaker 2: I was just about to say, I think it's the 415 00:17:58,104 --> 00:18:01,823 Speaker 2: same situation. Mental health started taking some pills and as 416 00:18:01,834 --> 00:18:04,254 Speaker 2: a result, gain weight. And I remember there was one 417 00:18:04,265 --> 00:18:07,113 Speaker 2: performance before they come back, like the official come back 418 00:18:07,125 --> 00:18:10,185 Speaker 2: this time. She was on this stage where there was 419 00:18:10,194 --> 00:18:12,454 Speaker 2: like a flight of stairs and a lot of comments 420 00:18:12,464 --> 00:18:14,224 Speaker 2: were saying that, oh my God, I'm so afraid like 421 00:18:14,234 --> 00:18:15,324 Speaker 2: the stairs would break 422 00:18:16,479 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 2: stuff like that. Is she ok? I guess these are 423 00:18:19,810 --> 00:18:22,589 Speaker 2: the kind of comments that sometimes maybe you think, but 424 00:18:22,599 --> 00:18:24,310 Speaker 2: you don't say that because you don't want to end 425 00:18:24,319 --> 00:18:27,420 Speaker 2: up hurting someone, right? But we really never know what's 426 00:18:27,430 --> 00:18:30,030 Speaker 2: going to in this celebrities lives. 427 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:30,438 Speaker 1: Don't 428 00:18:30,449 --> 00:18:34,380 Speaker 1: you think we've gone so far with like our idea 429 00:18:34,390 --> 00:18:37,729 Speaker 1: of what someone on TV, or someone who's a celebrity 430 00:18:37,739 --> 00:18:40,189 Speaker 1: is supposed to look like that. We forget that 431 00:18:40,479 --> 00:18:42,260 Speaker 1: are these singers, aren't they supposed to sing and make 432 00:18:42,270 --> 00:18:42,819 Speaker 1: music? 433 00:18:43,099 --> 00:18:45,430 Speaker 2: And if anything they're supposed to enjoy their job? Because 434 00:18:45,439 --> 00:18:46,438 Speaker 2: they're an entertainer and 435 00:18:46,449 --> 00:18:50,069 Speaker 1: they're human. I think health more than anything is important. Right. 436 00:18:50,079 --> 00:18:52,599 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what size you are. But are you healthy? Right. 437 00:18:52,609 --> 00:18:56,550 Speaker 1: I have a very close friend who really, like, 438 00:18:57,750 --> 00:19:01,089 Speaker 1: I know body positivity is the thing, but he really 439 00:19:01,099 --> 00:19:06,770 Speaker 1: dislikes Lizzo for the fact that she promotes being obese 440 00:19:06,780 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: as being attractive. Ok. Right. So that's his take on 441 00:19:11,810 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: it because it's unhealthy. He feels like you should be 442 00:19:14,569 --> 00:19:18,750 Speaker 1: promoting being healthy. That might give someone out there the 443 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,448 Speaker 1: wrong idea that if I'm obese, it's no longer about 444 00:19:22,459 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: my looks. But if I'm 445 00:19:23,494 --> 00:19:25,324 Speaker 1: healthy, that's OK. 446 00:19:25,584 --> 00:19:28,155 Speaker 2: Have you heard of this movie called LA? Yes, I 447 00:19:28,204 --> 00:19:31,545 Speaker 2: love that show. It's a Chinese movie produced and directed 448 00:19:31,555 --> 00:19:33,994 Speaker 2: by this person called JIA Ling. She's a very famous 449 00:19:34,005 --> 00:19:35,224 Speaker 2: female actress who 450 00:19:36,244 --> 00:19:38,055 Speaker 1: I know the English name. What's the English name? 451 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:40,859 Speaker 1: I don't know the Chinese name. 452 00:19:45,670 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 2: That's the one. So she was what, 100 kg and 453 00:19:49,050 --> 00:19:51,130 Speaker 2: in the span of one year, she dropped almost half 454 00:19:51,140 --> 00:19:53,728 Speaker 2: a way to like 56 kg. And 455 00:19:54,140 --> 00:19:57,709 Speaker 2: the, the process of her losing weight was documented. She 456 00:19:57,719 --> 00:20:00,060 Speaker 2: was given 12 months to do so and it was 457 00:20:00,069 --> 00:20:01,859 Speaker 2: not an easy feat there to drop all the way 458 00:20:01,869 --> 00:20:04,260 Speaker 2: to 56. But you know what to me, I feel 459 00:20:04,270 --> 00:20:07,209 Speaker 2: like that movie serves as such a huge motivation to 460 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,369 Speaker 2: plus size people out there who want to lose weight 461 00:20:09,380 --> 00:20:11,069 Speaker 2: for their own, good for their own health. 462 00:20:11,079 --> 00:20:15,270 Speaker 1: You know, I've got a friend, um, who I've known 463 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,109 Speaker 1: her since I was a child and she has always 464 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,229 Speaker 1: been around the same size, which is, 465 00:20:21,130 --> 00:20:21,739 Speaker 1: I mean, 466 00:20:23,290 --> 00:20:24,198 Speaker 1: what, what 467 00:20:24,660 --> 00:20:27,550 Speaker 1: maybe, you know, people consider as plus size, whatever it 468 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,780 Speaker 1: is but she is so fit. I'm telling you, she 469 00:20:30,790 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: exercises a lot and she can honestly out exercise any 470 00:20:34,650 --> 00:20:39,020 Speaker 1: of us. She is healthy and fit, but people don't 471 00:20:39,030 --> 00:20:41,829 Speaker 1: see that and there was once someone said, like you 472 00:20:41,910 --> 00:20:43,209 Speaker 1: so much, you still so fat. 473 00:20:44,709 --> 00:20:46,589 Speaker 2: How dare you? 474 00:20:48,500 --> 00:20:52,889 Speaker 1: It's so crazy, right? That like, so you look past that. 475 00:20:52,900 --> 00:20:55,780 Speaker 1: She's actually like fit and healthy and you know, sometimes 476 00:20:55,790 --> 00:20:57,969 Speaker 1: people don't think before they talk can I just say? 477 00:20:57,979 --> 00:20:58,530 Speaker 1: I think that 478 00:20:58,599 --> 00:20:58,989 Speaker 2: also 479 00:20:59,329 --> 00:21:01,739 Speaker 2: like the things they say are funny but it is 480 00:21:01,770 --> 00:21:03,329 Speaker 2: actually not, it's not funny 481 00:21:03,339 --> 00:21:06,188 Speaker 1: I think is something that like, I mean, I wouldn't 482 00:21:06,199 --> 00:21:08,250 Speaker 1: say like, I've never had an eating disorder or anything 483 00:21:08,260 --> 00:21:10,290 Speaker 1: like that, but I definitely struggled a lot with it 484 00:21:10,300 --> 00:21:13,500 Speaker 1: when I was a teenager. Like I just felt like 485 00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:13,930 Speaker 1: I was 486 00:21:14,530 --> 00:21:17,390 Speaker 1: bigger than I should be, which is ridiculous because as 487 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,910 Speaker 1: a teenager, you are literally like, there's nothing else to lose, right? 488 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,869 Speaker 1: You are building your body up for your adult life. 489 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,619 Speaker 1: And I remember I would see these ads on Instagram 490 00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:29,819 Speaker 1: when it first came up like this, this like bikini 491 00:21:29,829 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: model was selling a booty like boot camp, right? So 492 00:21:33,599 --> 00:21:36,540 Speaker 1: it's like a fitness program right where they give you 493 00:21:36,550 --> 00:21:38,430 Speaker 1: like workouts diet plan. 494 00:21:38,869 --> 00:21:42,609 Speaker 1: It was $200. I spent all my savings at 14 495 00:21:42,619 --> 00:21:46,829 Speaker 1: years old buying that stupid boot camp, which I never use. 496 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,339 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I still have it somewhere in my computer. 497 00:21:49,349 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: They send you a document of like diet and things 498 00:21:51,890 --> 00:21:56,020 Speaker 1: like that at 14 years old. Hello? What was I thinking? 499 00:21:56,030 --> 00:22:01,479 Speaker 1: You know, because some model looked really nice and you 500 00:22:01,489 --> 00:22:02,819 Speaker 1: think that's what you should look like? 501 00:22:03,025 --> 00:22:06,444 Speaker 2: But what we can understand that. But as a public figure, 502 00:22:06,454 --> 00:22:10,324 Speaker 2: as an actress, a model celebrity, have you tried changing 503 00:22:10,334 --> 00:22:13,805 Speaker 2: your habits or your diets before? I guess, only for 504 00:22:13,814 --> 00:22:17,185 Speaker 2: the show I did change my, my diet. Firstly, I mean, 505 00:22:17,194 --> 00:22:19,584 Speaker 2: I increased and then now I decrease. Right. So 506 00:22:19,910 --> 00:22:23,089 Speaker 2: I think this year has been a year, like for 507 00:22:23,099 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 2: me to form healthy habits. Yeah. I think that's very 508 00:22:26,170 --> 00:22:28,660 Speaker 2: important because I, I always took that for granted. I 509 00:22:28,670 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 2: always thought like, oh, you know what? I have like 510 00:22:30,290 --> 00:22:33,489 Speaker 2: a high metabolism, which I do, you know, thankfully I do. So, 511 00:22:33,500 --> 00:22:35,948 Speaker 2: it's definitely easier for me to lose weight compared to 512 00:22:35,959 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 2: other people. And I love to exercise. So I do 513 00:22:38,449 --> 00:22:41,290 Speaker 2: take all these things for granted until I did this 514 00:22:41,300 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 2: project and then I 515 00:22:42,660 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 2: realize that, oh, you know, actually, maybe I need to 516 00:22:45,569 --> 00:22:49,369 Speaker 2: start forming healthy habits, you know, and I see that 517 00:22:49,380 --> 00:22:52,270 Speaker 2: thing has started on a 500 skips a day, kind 518 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:57,930 Speaker 2: of program I skipped yesterday. You know, yesterday, I, I 519 00:22:58,979 --> 00:23:03,290 Speaker 2: need to do it today. 1000 today. No. Ok. Ok. Ok. Ok. 520 00:23:03,469 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 2: But to be fair, I do other sport 521 00:23:05,410 --> 00:23:08,069 Speaker 2: as well. Like today before coming here I played paddle. So, 522 00:23:08,079 --> 00:23:10,349 Speaker 2: you know, at least I did something and I felt 523 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,228 Speaker 2: good honestly because, you know, when you exercise right, and 524 00:23:13,239 --> 00:23:16,300 Speaker 2: you sweat, you know, there's this extra adrenaline and stuff. Yeah, 525 00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:16,319 Speaker 1: I 526 00:23:16,329 --> 00:23:17,948 Speaker 1: think it's such a good role model. 527 00:23:18,430 --> 00:23:21,369 Speaker 2: No, no, I'm really, I'm really trying to navigate my 528 00:23:21,380 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 2: own life as well. Really? So, so I just want 529 00:23:23,810 --> 00:23:27,129 Speaker 2: to know your parents are also celebrities as well. Have 530 00:23:27,150 --> 00:23:27,859 Speaker 2: they once 531 00:23:28,410 --> 00:23:31,390 Speaker 2: asked you to, you know, step up on the weight loss, 532 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,969 Speaker 2: try to get back to your previous size as soon 533 00:23:33,979 --> 00:23:38,189 Speaker 2: as possible. I think my dad coming from Tucker. Yeah, because, 534 00:23:38,199 --> 00:23:40,229 Speaker 2: you know, my dad is like a fitness junkie. Right. 535 00:23:40,260 --> 00:23:42,660 Speaker 2: But I think he also understands that, you know, the 536 00:23:42,670 --> 00:23:46,339 Speaker 2: female body works differently from a male body. So, like, 537 00:23:46,449 --> 00:23:48,469 Speaker 2: he, he, he just reminds me from time to time, 538 00:23:48,479 --> 00:23:51,629 Speaker 2: like a, um, you know, you read ready, right. Yeah. 539 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,449 Speaker 2: Time to hit the gym. How would you feel about that? Um, 540 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,510 Speaker 2: actually I'm fine. It's just like a friendly reminder. He 541 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:01,589 Speaker 2: doesn't do it in a very condescending. You know, if 542 00:24:01,599 --> 00:24:03,170 Speaker 2: my mom said that to me, I'll be there. 543 00:24:03,180 --> 00:24:03,479 Speaker 1: I 544 00:24:03,489 --> 00:24:04,389 Speaker 1: will start a fight. 545 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,780 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll be like, I'll be like, don't tell me 546 00:24:07,790 --> 00:24:08,550 Speaker 1: what to do. 547 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:09,099 Speaker 2: Yeah. 548 00:24:09,109 --> 00:24:12,180 Speaker 1: Like you go to the gi, I love my mom. 549 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,859 Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. But I think different cultures have different 550 00:24:14,869 --> 00:24:17,579 Speaker 1: beauty standards. And I mean, here we're all media practitioners 551 00:24:17,589 --> 00:24:20,180 Speaker 1: in Singapore. But I find that, you know, when I 552 00:24:20,189 --> 00:24:22,540 Speaker 1: travel everywhere, right? Like the 553 00:24:22,650 --> 00:24:26,109 Speaker 1: really, you know, the whole, like size thing, right? Is 554 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,969 Speaker 1: completely different. Like when we go to America, we are 555 00:24:28,979 --> 00:24:32,609 Speaker 1: like tiny, not even skinny, we are tiny because we're 556 00:24:32,619 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: just so small. 557 00:24:33,780 --> 00:24:36,949 Speaker 2: Ok. Funny story. I just came back from Yunnan China, right? 558 00:24:36,959 --> 00:24:40,550 Speaker 2: And when I visited Li Jiang, a very beautiful place there, 559 00:24:40,829 --> 00:24:43,349 Speaker 2: the tour guide had told me that in Li Jiang, 560 00:24:43,599 --> 00:24:46,150 Speaker 2: their standards of beauty are very different from the rest 561 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,188 Speaker 2: of the world. The people there, females, they are called 562 00:24:49,199 --> 00:24:52,969 Speaker 2: Pang Jing May pang as in fat jing as in 563 00:24:52,979 --> 00:24:56,349 Speaker 2: gold and May as in May May. The May and 564 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,229 Speaker 2: the males that are called Pang Jing. So people there 565 00:25:00,239 --> 00:25:02,689 Speaker 2: as you can tell from the name the fatter, you 566 00:25:02,699 --> 00:25:04,869 Speaker 2: are the darker you are 567 00:25:05,150 --> 00:25:08,939 Speaker 2: the more well loved you are. That's insane. And when 568 00:25:08,969 --> 00:25:11,660 Speaker 2: I found out about what is going on and I 569 00:25:11,729 --> 00:25:14,489 Speaker 2: said yeah, if you are a fat woman, the chances 570 00:25:14,500 --> 00:25:17,599 Speaker 2: of you getting married are way higher than someone who slim. 571 00:25:17,790 --> 00:25:21,079 Speaker 2: And traditionally when females get married to men, 572 00:25:21,545 --> 00:25:26,234 Speaker 2: they actually use cows to calculate how worth or how 573 00:25:26,244 --> 00:25:29,274 Speaker 2: worthy you are. For example, the fat, you are the 574 00:25:29,285 --> 00:25:31,925 Speaker 2: darker you are, you are worth more cows, cows, cow 575 00:25:31,935 --> 00:25:34,084 Speaker 2: like me? Like, like the actual 576 00:25:34,094 --> 00:25:34,785 Speaker 2: cows. 577 00:25:34,824 --> 00:25:36,694 Speaker 1: Did you ask them how many cows? You 578 00:25:38,150 --> 00:25:43,139 Speaker 2: probably not dark enough. Not fair enough. Yeah, they are 579 00:25:43,150 --> 00:25:47,469 Speaker 2: actually called pang jing. I was so blown away, but 580 00:25:47,500 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 2: once again it grounds me and sort of reminds me 581 00:25:50,449 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 2: that beauty standards are different everywhere and there's just no 582 00:25:54,170 --> 00:25:56,389 Speaker 2: need to take it so hard on yourself. Ok. Whatever 583 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,469 Speaker 2: diet you are on, just be happy in the process 584 00:25:59,479 --> 00:26:00,089 Speaker 2: and healthy. 585 00:26:01,819 --> 00:26:04,979 Speaker 1: Clearly, you know what's beautiful to someone is what they 586 00:26:04,989 --> 00:26:07,949 Speaker 1: used to like. If you grew up there, that's what 587 00:26:07,959 --> 00:26:10,569 Speaker 1: you're being taught. That's what you see and then that's 588 00:26:10,579 --> 00:26:14,170 Speaker 1: what's beautiful to you, right? Not to someone else. I 589 00:26:14,180 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: think you should find beauty on the inside, right? They 590 00:26:18,050 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 1: always say like beauty is in the eye of the beholder, 591 00:26:20,449 --> 00:26:22,619 Speaker 1: but it's true like beauty is what you make 592 00:26:22,790 --> 00:26:25,819 Speaker 1: it out to be. And, and it's about what you 593 00:26:25,829 --> 00:26:29,619 Speaker 1: value yourself for. Like kindness is beauty, love is beauty. 594 00:26:29,630 --> 00:26:33,069 Speaker 1: You know, being loyal is also beauty, being a good friend, 595 00:26:33,079 --> 00:26:35,099 Speaker 1: a good wife, a good daughter, whatever it is, all 596 00:26:35,109 --> 00:26:37,579 Speaker 1: these are things of beauty and you need to find 597 00:26:37,589 --> 00:26:41,339 Speaker 1: out within yourself and, and cherish and appreciate yourself for it. 598 00:26:42,290 --> 00:26:44,698 Speaker 1: And if you're like a hot supermodel or you're a bitch, 599 00:26:49,839 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: no names in my life. 600 00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:54,339 Speaker 2: So for someone who has been on both ends of 601 00:26:54,349 --> 00:26:56,510 Speaker 2: the spectrum, you have been like really really skinny and 602 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:57,869 Speaker 2: for this show you try to gain weight and be 603 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,339 Speaker 2: a bit more on the plus sized side. Right. What 604 00:27:00,349 --> 00:27:02,750 Speaker 2: would you say to people out there who are, you know, 605 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,300 Speaker 2: maybe they feel large and they want to like slim down, 606 00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 2: they want to cut some weight, I think. Really just 607 00:27:08,890 --> 00:27:11,439 Speaker 2: take your time, you know, and find what works for 608 00:27:11,449 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 2: you and not what works for others, you know, like 609 00:27:14,170 --> 00:27:16,780 Speaker 2: your routine. I might not be able to do it, 610 00:27:16,790 --> 00:27:18,670 Speaker 2: you know, it might not be effective for me and likewise, 611 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,339 Speaker 2: you know, vice versa. So find 612 00:27:20,449 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 2: what's comfortable, but at the same time, something that challenges you. Yeah, 613 00:27:25,010 --> 00:27:26,810 Speaker 2: but do it at your own time and at your 614 00:27:26,819 --> 00:27:27,829 Speaker 2: own pace, you know, 615 00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:28,319 Speaker 1: I 616 00:27:28,329 --> 00:27:31,699 Speaker 1: think what he said about forming healthy habits is very 617 00:27:31,709 --> 00:27:35,389 Speaker 1: important and being intentional about them, right? Don't take for 618 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,300 Speaker 1: granted your health. Don't take for granted that, you know, you, 619 00:27:38,739 --> 00:27:41,060 Speaker 1: you know, have a certain, like body type that you 620 00:27:41,069 --> 00:27:45,079 Speaker 1: like right now because anything could change. Like, especially for women, 621 00:27:45,089 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: like our hormones go up and down. It is like 622 00:27:48,010 --> 00:27:53,079 Speaker 1: all over. So form intentional healthy habits for the right reasons, right? 623 00:27:53,089 --> 00:27:56,300 Speaker 1: Not just because I want to be half my size. Yeah. Yeah. 624 00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:58,699 Speaker 1: And I think whatever you decide on you should still 625 00:27:58,709 --> 00:28:02,829 Speaker 1: be happy because imagine being obsessed about losing weight and 626 00:28:02,839 --> 00:28:05,780 Speaker 1: then you go on this crazy strict diet, you know, 627 00:28:05,890 --> 00:28:09,229 Speaker 1: you exercise like crazy, but you don't get a social life, 628 00:28:09,239 --> 00:28:10,629 Speaker 1: you don't get to go out because when people want 629 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,619 Speaker 1: to go out, you don't have to eat and then 630 00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:13,910 Speaker 1: you're unhappy there. For what? 631 00:28:13,930 --> 00:28:17,770 Speaker 2: For what? You really only leave once. Yeah. So that 632 00:28:17,780 --> 00:28:22,140 Speaker 2: sounds like the Blockbusters is all about women body positivity. 633 00:28:22,739 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 2: I love that. What is it gonna air? So it's 634 00:28:24,930 --> 00:28:27,550 Speaker 2: already out on me watch and it will be on 635 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 2: channel eight from Monday to Friday 9 p.m. from sixth 636 00:28:30,890 --> 00:28:33,010 Speaker 2: of November, which is tomorrow. 637 00:28:34,189 --> 00:28:36,659 Speaker 2: Yeah, we can't wait for that with that. Thank you 638 00:28:36,670 --> 00:28:38,599 Speaker 2: so much for joining us. How was your first ever 639 00:28:38,609 --> 00:28:41,569 Speaker 2: podcast experience? I know you guys personally. So you definitely 640 00:28:41,579 --> 00:28:43,930 Speaker 2: made it a lot more comfortable and I mean, I 641 00:28:43,939 --> 00:28:46,709 Speaker 2: really enjoy the topic today because it's, I mean, it 642 00:28:46,719 --> 00:28:49,780 Speaker 2: hits very close to me. Yeah. Well, thank you for 643 00:28:49,790 --> 00:28:51,790 Speaker 2: sharing all your valuable insights and we wish you all 644 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,290 Speaker 2: the best. Thank you. Two more podcast. I watched them. Yeah. 645 00:28:56,810 --> 00:29:00,250 Speaker 2: No. Sh well, be like to watch us, listen to 646 00:29:00,260 --> 00:29:03,170 Speaker 2: us and follow us. OK, on Instagram at its gravity.co. 647 00:29:03,239 --> 00:29:04,780 Speaker 1: That's right. You can listen to us and me listen 648 00:29:04,790 --> 00:29:07,979 Speaker 1: Apple podcast, Spotify. Turn on your notification. We're on youtube 649 00:29:07,989 --> 00:29:10,859 Speaker 1: as well and always remember that beauty is in the 650 00:29:10,869 --> 00:29:14,290 Speaker 1: eye of the beholder. That's right. We'll catch you next time. 651 00:29:14,300 --> 00:29:18,500 Speaker 1: You're all beautiful. We love you so much. Thank you. Bye.