1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:04,140 Speaker 1: This is a C N A podcast. 2 00:00:07,050 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to CNN correspondent. I'm Steve Lie. And 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,469 Speaker 1: on this episode, you'll hear first hand accounts from the 4 00:00:12,470 --> 00:00:15,740 Speaker 1: ground of the year's biggest natural disaster. So far, 5 00:00:23,450 --> 00:00:27,010 Speaker 1: Tremors have continued to rock Turkey and Syria following a 6 00:00:27,010 --> 00:00:31,450 Speaker 1: magnitude 7.8 earthquake that caused widespread death and devastation on 7 00:00:31,450 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: a massive scale. 8 00:00:33,310 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: The first tremor struck at four a.m. local time on Monday, 9 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:40,659 Speaker 1: the sixth of February. A second, a little later measured 7.6. 10 00:00:41,100 --> 00:00:44,170 Speaker 1: The region has been rocked by more than 10,000 aftershocks 11 00:00:44,170 --> 00:00:46,690 Speaker 1: since at the time of this recording. The death toll 12 00:00:46,690 --> 00:00:51,180 Speaker 1: has crossed 50,000 with Turkey accounting for around 45,000 in Syria, 13 00:00:51,190 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: 6000 14 00:00:52,450 --> 00:00:54,540 Speaker 1: to tell you more about the scale of destruction and 15 00:00:54,540 --> 00:00:57,420 Speaker 1: the challenges faced in the rescue and relief efforts. I'm 16 00:00:57,420 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: joined by our correspondent who was on the scene soon 17 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,580 Speaker 1: after the quakes hit Trent Murray. Trent, thanks for joining 18 00:01:03,580 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: me today. Pleasure to join you, Trent. You're not usually 19 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,540 Speaker 1: based in Turkey. So where were you when you heard 20 00:01:09,540 --> 00:01:12,420 Speaker 1: the news? And how quickly did you get there? That's right. 21 00:01:12,420 --> 00:01:14,950 Speaker 1: I'm normally the Berlin correspondent. So I keep my eye 22 00:01:14,950 --> 00:01:17,140 Speaker 1: on Germany and central Europe. But the, 23 00:01:17,165 --> 00:01:20,585 Speaker 1: that morning when the quake hit, I actually overslept my alarm. 24 00:01:20,584 --> 00:01:22,164 Speaker 1: Normally I'm up quite early and the first thing I 25 00:01:22,165 --> 00:01:23,705 Speaker 1: do is check the news, but on that morning I 26 00:01:23,705 --> 00:01:26,794 Speaker 1: got woken up by a phone call about the earthquake 27 00:01:26,795 --> 00:01:28,834 Speaker 1: and I was told, maybe needed to get ready to 28 00:01:28,834 --> 00:01:30,774 Speaker 1: go to a place called Gaziantep. And at that point 29 00:01:30,775 --> 00:01:33,084 Speaker 1: in time, I just didn't even know where that was. 30 00:01:33,125 --> 00:01:36,565 Speaker 1: But very quickly the situation started to dawn on myself 31 00:01:36,565 --> 00:01:38,445 Speaker 1: and my colleague here that this was a big story. 32 00:01:38,444 --> 00:01:40,875 Speaker 1: And so we immediately sort of started to scramble in 33 00:01:40,875 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: order to get there. 34 00:01:42,150 --> 00:01:45,780 Speaker 1: Turkey has a big diaspora community in Germany. So flights 35 00:01:45,780 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: and transport from here are fairly easy, but it was 36 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,570 Speaker 1: certainly outside my normal reporting backyard if you like. And 37 00:01:52,570 --> 00:01:54,870 Speaker 1: so it was a little bit difficult trying to get 38 00:01:54,870 --> 00:01:57,020 Speaker 1: my head around where to go, where things were, where 39 00:01:57,020 --> 00:01:59,410 Speaker 1: the infrastructure was available. But we did, we did have 40 00:01:59,410 --> 00:02:01,390 Speaker 1: this and we made our way to the scene on 41 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: a couple of hours after the quake. That was incredibly 42 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,490 Speaker 1: a quick response. Usually when trips like this is sort 43 00:02:06,490 --> 00:02:08,510 Speaker 1: of planned a fixer is involved. Did you have a 44 00:02:08,510 --> 00:02:10,850 Speaker 1: fixer on the ground that could help make the arrangements 45 00:02:10,850 --> 00:02:11,429 Speaker 1: for logistics? 46 00:02:11,755 --> 00:02:13,855 Speaker 1: Well, I was very fortunate in the sense that my 47 00:02:13,855 --> 00:02:17,454 Speaker 1: colleague here Budiman cuss up is actually Turkish born, he 48 00:02:17,455 --> 00:02:19,815 Speaker 1: lives here now with his family. But he has many 49 00:02:19,815 --> 00:02:22,255 Speaker 1: years of experience working in Turkey. He covered a lot 50 00:02:22,255 --> 00:02:24,325 Speaker 1: of the Syrian Civil War at the time from the 51 00:02:24,325 --> 00:02:27,335 Speaker 1: Turkish side of the border. He knows the region very well. 52 00:02:27,335 --> 00:02:29,285 Speaker 1: He's obviously got friends and family and also a lot 53 00:02:29,285 --> 00:02:31,735 Speaker 1: of media contacts. So he was able to get a 54 00:02:31,735 --> 00:02:34,244 Speaker 1: handle of where to go, what to do. 55 00:02:34,380 --> 00:02:37,100 Speaker 1: But even for him, a person from the country, it 56 00:02:37,100 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: was very difficult because a lot of the airports were closed, 57 00:02:40,169 --> 00:02:42,650 Speaker 1: the runways had been damaged. A lot of the major 58 00:02:42,650 --> 00:02:45,930 Speaker 1: motorways into the area had been damaged. So it was 59 00:02:45,930 --> 00:02:48,570 Speaker 1: not easy to try and find a way to get there. 60 00:02:48,580 --> 00:02:51,389 Speaker 1: One of the other challenges that we had was that 61 00:02:51,389 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: I think seemingly what happened was a lot of European 62 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: press had the same sort of directive 63 00:02:56,303 --> 00:02:58,473 Speaker 1: as we had. And so flights were filling up very, 64 00:02:58,473 --> 00:03:01,713 Speaker 1: very quickly. We actually couldn't get a flight from Berlin 65 00:03:01,713 --> 00:03:04,593 Speaker 1: Airport because they sold out within a few hours of 66 00:03:04,593 --> 00:03:06,882 Speaker 1: that morning. So we had to take a train to 67 00:03:06,883 --> 00:03:10,273 Speaker 1: a city nearby called Light Zig. It's about two hours away, 68 00:03:10,282 --> 00:03:13,343 Speaker 1: much smaller airport, not somewhere you would normally use for 69 00:03:13,343 --> 00:03:15,953 Speaker 1: a big international trip, but it was the only place 70 00:03:15,953 --> 00:03:18,202 Speaker 1: we could get seats in order to try and get 71 00:03:18,226 --> 00:03:20,636 Speaker 1: they're quite quickly. And so that was sort of the 72 00:03:20,636 --> 00:03:22,616 Speaker 1: type of, I suppose out of the box thinking that 73 00:03:22,616 --> 00:03:24,746 Speaker 1: you kind of require at a moment like that in 74 00:03:24,746 --> 00:03:26,796 Speaker 1: order just to try and get there quickly and get 75 00:03:26,796 --> 00:03:28,916 Speaker 1: your feet on the ground to cover the story. It 76 00:03:28,916 --> 00:03:30,486 Speaker 1: was great that you were able to move so fast 77 00:03:30,486 --> 00:03:33,716 Speaker 1: and incredibly handy to have someone that knows the area 78 00:03:33,796 --> 00:03:36,456 Speaker 1: speaks the language. I presume as well. Once you were 79 00:03:36,456 --> 00:03:38,836 Speaker 1: on the ground and saw firsthand what had happened? What 80 00:03:38,836 --> 00:03:40,150 Speaker 1: was your initial reaction? 81 00:03:40,290 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: And what did you start reporting on? 1st? Look, I 82 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,990 Speaker 1: think the moment it really dawned on me just how 83 00:03:44,990 --> 00:03:47,790 Speaker 1: big this was actually when we first landed in Istanbul, 84 00:03:47,790 --> 00:03:51,110 Speaker 1: now Istanbul airport is very new. It's massive. I would 85 00:03:51,110 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: actually compare it to Singapore change in many ways. It's 86 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,470 Speaker 1: a huge crossroads for the world. 87 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,390 Speaker 1: But when we landed there, it was clear that this 88 00:03:58,390 --> 00:04:00,610 Speaker 1: was a huge moment for the country because on all 89 00:04:00,610 --> 00:04:03,820 Speaker 1: of the televisions were the rolling news channels, people crowded 90 00:04:03,820 --> 00:04:07,130 Speaker 1: around watching those early scenes of people still being rescued. 91 00:04:07,130 --> 00:04:09,270 Speaker 1: It had been less than 12 hours since the first 92 00:04:09,270 --> 00:04:12,300 Speaker 1: quake hit and then the subsequent Aftershock which was almost 93 00:04:12,300 --> 00:04:16,150 Speaker 1: as big security personnel. Police were watching the news on 94 00:04:16,150 --> 00:04:19,310 Speaker 1: their phone. People were distracted by what had happened and 95 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,170 Speaker 1: there was still a sense I think of shock and 96 00:04:21,180 --> 00:04:22,670 Speaker 1: people were stunned. 97 00:04:22,950 --> 00:04:24,710 Speaker 1: And then when we made our way out of the 98 00:04:24,710 --> 00:04:30,020 Speaker 1: baggage area, we saw almost this organized chaos. If you will, 99 00:04:30,020 --> 00:04:32,659 Speaker 1: there were hundreds of people there. Now this is in Istanbul, 100 00:04:32,660 --> 00:04:35,089 Speaker 1: I should remind you it was not affected in any way, 101 00:04:35,190 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: but there were hundreds of people which had traveled to 102 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,740 Speaker 1: the airport because they had got a text message from 103 00:04:39,740 --> 00:04:43,410 Speaker 1: local charities and disaster response agencies asking for volunteers to 104 00:04:43,410 --> 00:04:46,900 Speaker 1: come and help. And the country's flag carrier, Turkish Airlines 105 00:04:46,910 --> 00:04:50,099 Speaker 1: had effectively set up an air bridge very quickly for 106 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: volunteers to be able to fly from Istanbul 107 00:04:52,685 --> 00:04:55,375 Speaker 1: down into the quake zone and assist. Many of the 108 00:04:55,375 --> 00:04:58,155 Speaker 1: people had no experience. They had no tools but they 109 00:04:58,154 --> 00:05:01,955 Speaker 1: were signing up with people with clipboards and megaphones announcing 110 00:05:01,955 --> 00:05:04,655 Speaker 1: which names were ready to board these flights. And it 111 00:05:04,654 --> 00:05:07,825 Speaker 1: was just such a scene of, I mean, organized chaos 112 00:05:07,825 --> 00:05:09,909 Speaker 1: is one way to describe it. But also just 113 00:05:10,140 --> 00:05:11,810 Speaker 1: that was one of the first things that hit me 114 00:05:11,810 --> 00:05:14,150 Speaker 1: as well. This is a country now that is really 115 00:05:14,150 --> 00:05:17,100 Speaker 1: mobilizing is almost on a war footing to try and 116 00:05:17,100 --> 00:05:19,849 Speaker 1: respond to this disaster. We then slept the night in 117 00:05:19,850 --> 00:05:22,610 Speaker 1: Istanbul because we couldn't get down there that night. The 118 00:05:22,610 --> 00:05:24,909 Speaker 1: very next morning, we then traveled to a place called 119 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,609 Speaker 1: El Zig. It was not heavily affected, it lost some 120 00:05:28,610 --> 00:05:32,050 Speaker 1: buildings and suffered some damage, but we then set up 121 00:05:32,050 --> 00:05:34,469 Speaker 1: our base there and it was from there that we 122 00:05:34,470 --> 00:05:36,630 Speaker 1: were then able to make the drive every day into 123 00:05:36,630 --> 00:05:39,060 Speaker 1: the quake zone where things were really bad 124 00:05:39,876 --> 00:05:42,716 Speaker 1: To see just the population in general mobilizing to see 125 00:05:42,716 --> 00:05:46,026 Speaker 1: what they can do to help the scale of this disaster. 126 00:05:46,026 --> 00:05:48,666 Speaker 1: It took a while for everyone to get a handle 127 00:05:48,666 --> 00:05:52,786 Speaker 1: on how far reaching these earthquakes and subsequent aftershocks were 128 00:05:52,796 --> 00:05:54,526 Speaker 1: just tell us in terms of sort of the geography 129 00:05:54,526 --> 00:05:56,336 Speaker 1: of it. How big are we talking about? Yes. So 130 00:05:56,346 --> 00:05:59,086 Speaker 1: a couple of the numbers and statistics which really stuck 131 00:05:59,096 --> 00:06:02,486 Speaker 1: into my mind originally. And throughout the trip was the 132 00:06:02,486 --> 00:06:05,486 Speaker 1: area in Turkey alone, not including Syria, which was also 133 00:06:05,486 --> 00:06:07,346 Speaker 1: affected over the border, but just in southern Turkey was 134 00:06:07,346 --> 00:06:09,016 Speaker 1: about 110,000 square 135 00:06:09,032 --> 00:06:12,051 Speaker 1: kilometers. Now, to give you some context, I believe the 136 00:06:12,052 --> 00:06:14,822 Speaker 1: South Korea is about 100 million square kilometers. So we're 137 00:06:14,822 --> 00:06:17,092 Speaker 1: talking an area just a little bit bigger than the 138 00:06:17,092 --> 00:06:20,312 Speaker 1: entire nation of South Korea. That is how many cities 139 00:06:20,312 --> 00:06:23,882 Speaker 1: and towns were affected. Now, some obviously were worse than others. 140 00:06:24,152 --> 00:06:26,972 Speaker 1: The number that we also learned quite quickly was around 141 00:06:26,972 --> 00:06:30,301 Speaker 1: 6000 buildings had collapsed, many of them were high rise 142 00:06:30,302 --> 00:06:33,002 Speaker 1: apartment towers. And so that is why the death toll 143 00:06:33,002 --> 00:06:35,992 Speaker 1: was very high because people were sleeping in the middle 144 00:06:35,992 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: of the night. The first quake hit at about two AM, 145 00:06:38,620 --> 00:06:42,390 Speaker 1: obviously at two AM. If you're on level 20 of 146 00:06:42,390 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: a building which is coming down, what hope do you have? Really, 147 00:06:45,010 --> 00:06:47,450 Speaker 1: and then you're buried under there in the rubble. I 148 00:06:47,450 --> 00:06:49,540 Speaker 1: think the thing that really sort of stuck out to 149 00:06:49,540 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: me was 150 00:06:50,650 --> 00:06:54,060 Speaker 1: those cities that weren't affected as bad like L A zig, 151 00:06:54,070 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: we're then effectively marshaling grounds for their counterparts down the 152 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,290 Speaker 1: road which were badly affected. So you would see, for example, 153 00:07:02,300 --> 00:07:05,589 Speaker 1: people going to petrol stations and filling up jerry cans 154 00:07:05,589 --> 00:07:08,490 Speaker 1: and tanks in order to drive them down to places 155 00:07:08,490 --> 00:07:11,390 Speaker 1: like Melodia where I spent most of my time, it 156 00:07:11,390 --> 00:07:14,030 Speaker 1: was very badly damaged and there was like 157 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: electricity, no water, there was no bathrooms for people to use. 158 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,770 Speaker 1: It was really bleak. And so that is why you 159 00:07:20,770 --> 00:07:23,310 Speaker 1: sort of saw people in the other cities trying to 160 00:07:23,310 --> 00:07:26,300 Speaker 1: assist as much as they could, even just little things 161 00:07:26,300 --> 00:07:28,540 Speaker 1: like going to the grocery store and stocking up on 162 00:07:28,540 --> 00:07:30,940 Speaker 1: food and supplies and then driving them down the road. 163 00:07:30,940 --> 00:07:32,450 Speaker 1: There was a lot of that going on, a lot 164 00:07:32,450 --> 00:07:35,300 Speaker 1: of shuttling back and forth. But yeah, the scale, I mean, 165 00:07:35,300 --> 00:07:37,750 Speaker 1: you were just driving through these neighborhoods, Steve and 166 00:07:38,010 --> 00:07:39,810 Speaker 1: you would drive down the street and it was just 167 00:07:39,820 --> 00:07:42,900 Speaker 1: almost a horrific lottery. If you will, you'd have one 168 00:07:42,900 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: building completely collapsed and then next to it, one standing 169 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,790 Speaker 1: and you just think it's hard to fathom or understand 170 00:07:48,790 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: how that happens. But I think the subsequent investigations into 171 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,290 Speaker 1: the engineering of some buildings will explain why some came 172 00:07:55,290 --> 00:07:58,050 Speaker 1: down and some didn't. That is an element of this 173 00:07:58,050 --> 00:08:00,100 Speaker 1: story that is also going to be playing out for 174 00:08:00,100 --> 00:08:03,340 Speaker 1: some time building standards, practices of the construction of these 175 00:08:03,340 --> 00:08:05,210 Speaker 1: buildings has come into play. As well. 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The weight of your 195 00:09:08,510 --> 00:09:12,310 Speaker 1: collapsing home traps you face down under the rubble, you 196 00:09:12,309 --> 00:09:15,090 Speaker 1: have one arm free and your mobile in your hand, 197 00:09:15,220 --> 00:09:17,689 Speaker 1: but there's no signal and you have no idea how 198 00:09:17,690 --> 00:09:20,770 Speaker 1: long you can survive or if you'll be found, what 199 00:09:20,770 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 1: do you do? High school student to Odin recorded what 200 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,530 Speaker 1: he thought would be his final words. 201 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: We're still shaking death. My friends comes at a time 202 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: when one is least expecting it there are many things 203 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: that I regret. May God forgive me for all my 204 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,309 Speaker 1: sins if I get out of here life today, there 205 00:09:41,309 --> 00:09:44,780 Speaker 1: are many things that I want to do. Taha was 206 00:09:44,780 --> 00:09:47,239 Speaker 1: one of the lucky ones. He was rescued and reunited 207 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,610 Speaker 1: with his family. His video message went viral and served 208 00:09:50,610 --> 00:09:52,970 Speaker 1: as an example of hope for many Trent Murray is 209 00:09:52,970 --> 00:09:53,850 Speaker 1: here with us and he was, 210 00:09:53,870 --> 00:09:57,020 Speaker 1: they're on the ground in Turkey covering the aftermath of 211 00:09:57,020 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: these earthquakes. Trendy witnessed search and rescue operations while you 212 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,170 Speaker 1: were there. Most didn't have a happy ending. No, that's right. 213 00:10:04,179 --> 00:10:06,660 Speaker 1: That was probably one of the hardest and saddest things 214 00:10:06,660 --> 00:10:08,910 Speaker 1: about all of this was that you would stand there 215 00:10:08,910 --> 00:10:12,550 Speaker 1: for hours and hours and hours watching heavy machinery pour 216 00:10:12,550 --> 00:10:17,670 Speaker 1: over these sites of collapsed buildings, concrete bricks, people's lives 217 00:10:17,670 --> 00:10:20,650 Speaker 1: strewn out on the street because their home has collapsed 218 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,250 Speaker 1: And you would just have no news or you would 219 00:10:24,260 --> 00:10:27,099 Speaker 1: get some news, but then it would turn out to 220 00:10:27,110 --> 00:10:30,860 Speaker 1: be false hope. What was also very hard was standing 221 00:10:30,860 --> 00:10:34,710 Speaker 1: there watching that next to many family members who had 222 00:10:34,710 --> 00:10:37,530 Speaker 1: loved ones living in the building that they were looking at. 223 00:10:37,530 --> 00:10:40,650 Speaker 1: They were waiting for news as well. I remember one 224 00:10:40,650 --> 00:10:42,860 Speaker 1: building I was at in the opening few days that 225 00:10:42,860 --> 00:10:45,450 Speaker 1: I was there. They said around 80 people 226 00:10:45,460 --> 00:10:48,630 Speaker 1: lived in there before it came down. They'd already pulled 227 00:10:48,630 --> 00:10:52,380 Speaker 1: 50 out that hadn't survived and they were desperately looking 228 00:10:52,380 --> 00:10:55,010 Speaker 1: for the final 30. I was there for about two 229 00:10:55,010 --> 00:10:58,250 Speaker 1: days and I just didn't see anybody pulled out from 230 00:10:58,250 --> 00:11:01,260 Speaker 1: that building in that 30 what I did see. And 231 00:11:01,260 --> 00:11:04,449 Speaker 1: it was a weird feeling too, I suppose, be happy 232 00:11:04,450 --> 00:11:07,770 Speaker 1: about that. But I saw a cat pulled out alive, 233 00:11:07,780 --> 00:11:09,910 Speaker 1: this white little furry cat 234 00:11:10,070 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: that then a bunch of soldiers were caring for and 235 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,050 Speaker 1: took back to the base with them. We understand and 236 00:11:15,059 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: they now are sort of taking care of it and 237 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,059 Speaker 1: it's living with them from what we were told. But 238 00:11:20,059 --> 00:11:22,700 Speaker 1: you sort of start to question the ethics and morals 239 00:11:22,700 --> 00:11:24,850 Speaker 1: of whether you should be pleased about seeing a cut 240 00:11:24,850 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: when you're still looking for human survivors. But you know, it's, 241 00:11:28,530 --> 00:11:31,380 Speaker 1: I suppose you look for happiness or joy where you 242 00:11:31,380 --> 00:11:33,500 Speaker 1: can find it, but it was very hard during that 243 00:11:33,500 --> 00:11:36,300 Speaker 1: time because you would have, you would hear the occasional whale, 244 00:11:36,309 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: you would hear people crying, you would see people praying, 245 00:11:39,350 --> 00:11:42,390 Speaker 1: They were bitterly cold. It was about -10° at time 246 00:11:42,390 --> 00:11:45,030 Speaker 1: standing next to fires, but they just would not give 247 00:11:45,030 --> 00:11:47,949 Speaker 1: up that vigil of watching what remained of their loved 248 00:11:47,950 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 1: ones building, hoping that maybe the person they were looking 249 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,730 Speaker 1: for was still in there clinging to life. 250 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: But obviously, as each day went by that window of 251 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,510 Speaker 1: survivability was closing and the chances of finding more people 252 00:11:58,510 --> 00:12:02,569 Speaker 1: fell and the challenges for the rescuers as well, mental 253 00:12:02,580 --> 00:12:04,690 Speaker 1: sort of aspect of it is incredibly tough. I'm going 254 00:12:04,690 --> 00:12:07,010 Speaker 1: to play a clip of one of your life crosses 255 00:12:07,010 --> 00:12:09,860 Speaker 1: that really highlights how difficult to search for survivors was. 256 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,970 Speaker 1: Well, I'm just speaking to you from Galatea, which is 257 00:12:14,970 --> 00:12:18,090 Speaker 1: one of the worst hit cities in Turkey a in 258 00:12:18,090 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: the south. And the reason I'm speaking quietly is because 259 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,170 Speaker 1: just before we came on air, the emergency services, he 260 00:12:24,179 --> 00:12:28,450 Speaker 1: told everyone to be extremely quiet. Why? Because they think 261 00:12:28,450 --> 00:12:31,380 Speaker 1: under the rubble, they may have just heard a voice. 262 00:12:33,690 --> 00:12:36,420 Speaker 1: Everyone at that location was asked to stay quiet. So 263 00:12:36,420 --> 00:12:39,230 Speaker 1: rescuers would have the chance to listen for sounds of survivors. 264 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,590 Speaker 1: How did they balance the need to move quickly with 265 00:12:41,590 --> 00:12:44,810 Speaker 1: heavy equipment while also making sure they could hear survivors 266 00:12:44,940 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: and at the same time, not moving around too much 267 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,020 Speaker 1: debris that could cause more harm to the victims that 268 00:12:50,020 --> 00:12:50,970 Speaker 1: were trapped below. 269 00:12:51,150 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 1: I mean, that was one of the questions I asked 270 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: myself a lot, you know, not being an expert in 271 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,700 Speaker 1: search and rescue is how you can have these heavy 272 00:12:57,700 --> 00:13:00,710 Speaker 1: machines breaking through concrete. And while also knowing that there 273 00:13:00,710 --> 00:13:03,260 Speaker 1: are human beings underneath there, it must be a very 274 00:13:03,260 --> 00:13:06,430 Speaker 1: difficult balance. And I remember that life cross very well 275 00:13:06,429 --> 00:13:08,850 Speaker 1: because in that moment, I actually got quite stressed in 276 00:13:08,850 --> 00:13:11,660 Speaker 1: my head because I could hear in my ear, 277 00:13:11,675 --> 00:13:14,184 Speaker 1: the anchor in Singapore getting ready to come to me 278 00:13:14,195 --> 00:13:16,655 Speaker 1: right at that moment that the rescuers were screaming to 279 00:13:16,655 --> 00:13:18,995 Speaker 1: everyone to be quiet. And so I was worried, I 280 00:13:18,995 --> 00:13:21,375 Speaker 1: was going to have this moment of standing on screen 281 00:13:21,375 --> 00:13:24,005 Speaker 1: and being mute and people not knowing what was happening. 282 00:13:24,005 --> 00:13:25,415 Speaker 1: And I just sort of took a decision to try 283 00:13:25,415 --> 00:13:27,855 Speaker 1: and whisper and I hoped that the team in the 284 00:13:27,855 --> 00:13:29,955 Speaker 1: gallery in Singapore would just be able to boost up 285 00:13:29,955 --> 00:13:32,194 Speaker 1: my volume so I could say what was happening. But 286 00:13:32,340 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: that happened a few times where you would have everybody 287 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,380 Speaker 1: told to be quiet, all of the machines were switched 288 00:13:37,380 --> 00:13:39,670 Speaker 1: off and you could just hear a pin drop. It 289 00:13:39,670 --> 00:13:43,340 Speaker 1: was deadly silent. And that was because they quite literally 290 00:13:43,340 --> 00:13:46,220 Speaker 1: often were putting their ear up to concrete or fallen 291 00:13:46,220 --> 00:13:48,830 Speaker 1: brick walls and trying to listen because maybe they thought 292 00:13:48,830 --> 00:13:51,550 Speaker 1: they heard a whimper or somebody crying out for help 293 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: and then you would wait, you know, you would see 294 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,700 Speaker 1: people praying myself would cross my fingers sometimes 295 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: and then it would just be a false alarm. Most 296 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,100 Speaker 1: of the time they say no return back to work 297 00:14:01,100 --> 00:14:03,210 Speaker 1: and then everything would be turned back on again and 298 00:14:03,210 --> 00:14:05,790 Speaker 1: that sort of calamity would begin. There was a lot 299 00:14:05,790 --> 00:14:08,330 Speaker 1: of that, you know, I guess that's just the nature 300 00:14:08,330 --> 00:14:10,860 Speaker 1: of search and rescue, isn't it in a major earthquake 301 00:14:10,860 --> 00:14:12,940 Speaker 1: like that? You have to dig and dig and dig, 302 00:14:12,950 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: stop and listen and then just keep digging and that's 303 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,470 Speaker 1: what they did. It's quite a roller coaster of emotions. 304 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: I would imagine for all those family members that you 305 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,620 Speaker 1: said were sort of waiting on the sidelines, hoping and 306 00:14:22,620 --> 00:14:25,190 Speaker 1: praying that their relatives would be found. 307 00:14:25,490 --> 00:14:28,380 Speaker 1: What was it like for the rescue teams? How did 308 00:14:28,380 --> 00:14:32,020 Speaker 1: they coordinate their efforts? There were teams phone in from 309 00:14:32,020 --> 00:14:34,330 Speaker 1: different countries all around the world to help? And you 310 00:14:34,330 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: mentioned as well that people of Turkey A themselves were 311 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: mobilizing to help wherever they can. How are all these 312 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,740 Speaker 1: efforts coordinated? Or was just everyone sort of doing what 313 00:14:42,740 --> 00:14:44,940 Speaker 1: they could wherever they could look? I think in the 314 00:14:44,940 --> 00:14:47,420 Speaker 1: early days of this, it was just get as many 315 00:14:47,420 --> 00:14:49,310 Speaker 1: people as you can, you know, anybody that's 316 00:14:49,335 --> 00:14:52,815 Speaker 1: able bodied and can help, just get in there. Certainly, 317 00:14:52,815 --> 00:14:55,405 Speaker 1: those opening days you had police, you had a lot 318 00:14:55,405 --> 00:14:58,325 Speaker 1: of young men who had do their national service with Turkey. 319 00:14:58,325 --> 00:15:02,005 Speaker 1: They were called up and we're assisting fire personnel, paramedics. 320 00:15:02,015 --> 00:15:04,635 Speaker 1: Even at one site I saw, I couldn't believe it. 321 00:15:04,635 --> 00:15:08,215 Speaker 1: There were local aircraft engineers from Turkish Airlines with their 322 00:15:08,225 --> 00:15:11,195 Speaker 1: jackets on and they were just helping because they were 323 00:15:11,195 --> 00:15:13,180 Speaker 1: sort of big and strong and could assist. 324 00:15:13,410 --> 00:15:17,700 Speaker 1: What was then, I suppose in some ways reassuring was 325 00:15:17,700 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: then as the days passed, you started to see more 326 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,770 Speaker 1: international crews arrive and I think that was very well 327 00:15:23,780 --> 00:15:27,190 Speaker 1: coordinated and much needed because the Turkish guys were getting 328 00:15:27,190 --> 00:15:29,850 Speaker 1: exhausted and you know, they've been doing it 24/7 around 329 00:15:29,850 --> 00:15:33,220 Speaker 1: the clock. I saw a number of international crews. I 330 00:15:33,220 --> 00:15:34,380 Speaker 1: remember speak 331 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: To some of the guys using a translator app from 332 00:15:37,370 --> 00:15:40,550 Speaker 1: Blue Sky rescue in China. And they had flown in 333 00:15:40,550 --> 00:15:43,810 Speaker 1: from Sichuan province, which was really interesting because one of 334 00:15:43,810 --> 00:15:47,330 Speaker 1: them was explaining that in 2008, they had a major 335 00:15:47,330 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: earthquake in Sichuan province which some listeners may recall. And 336 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,330 Speaker 1: so some of them were veterans of this stuff. So 337 00:15:52,330 --> 00:15:54,170 Speaker 1: they were experienced and knew what they were doing. And 338 00:15:54,170 --> 00:15:55,390 Speaker 1: I think that helped a lot 339 00:15:55,570 --> 00:15:58,150 Speaker 1: but it was exhausting work. It was tiring. As I say, 340 00:15:58,150 --> 00:16:00,890 Speaker 1: it was bitterly cold. You had a lot of fires 341 00:16:00,890 --> 00:16:03,710 Speaker 1: being built out of the rubble, campfires. That was the 342 00:16:03,710 --> 00:16:06,590 Speaker 1: only way people could keep warm. But luckily a lot 343 00:16:06,590 --> 00:16:09,170 Speaker 1: of charities and businesses were coming in with food and 344 00:16:09,340 --> 00:16:12,290 Speaker 1: trying their best to keep people fed and warm. And 345 00:16:12,490 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: I suppose energized to keep up 346 00:16:14,050 --> 00:16:17,530 Speaker 1: The search because we saw some remarkable stories of people 347 00:16:17,530 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: being found in the rubble, 1011 days after the earthquake 348 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: hit and they wouldn't have been able to find those people. 349 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:26,340 Speaker 1: I think if there wasn't an effort to sustain and 350 00:16:26,340 --> 00:16:29,010 Speaker 1: help the rescuers, so they could just keep going day 351 00:16:29,010 --> 00:16:32,530 Speaker 1: after day until that window survivability officially closed in the 352 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,300 Speaker 1: the authorities called it off. And what would happen to 353 00:16:35,300 --> 00:16:37,850 Speaker 1: those that were fortunate enough to be rescued? All those 354 00:16:37,850 --> 00:16:40,700 Speaker 1: who were just impacted by their homes being destroyed. How 355 00:16:40,700 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: did authorities manage to look after the growing number of 356 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: people that needed shelter. So the people that were pulled 357 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,070 Speaker 1: out alive first and form 358 00:16:48,230 --> 00:16:51,460 Speaker 1: obviously given medical care. And that was one of the 359 00:16:51,470 --> 00:16:54,550 Speaker 1: sort of signs you would pick up on driving past 360 00:16:54,550 --> 00:16:57,070 Speaker 1: rescue sites is if there was an ambulance or a 361 00:16:57,070 --> 00:16:59,700 Speaker 1: paramedic van parked at the site that generally meant there 362 00:16:59,700 --> 00:17:02,070 Speaker 1: was still hope that they were trying to find survivors. 363 00:17:02,100 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 1: I got to learn that the vans that were white 364 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,980 Speaker 1: and red and blue were ambulances. The vans that were 365 00:17:07,990 --> 00:17:11,470 Speaker 1: white and green were from the morgue. And so if 366 00:17:11,470 --> 00:17:13,460 Speaker 1: you saw them, you knew that they weren't looking for 367 00:17:13,460 --> 00:17:15,669 Speaker 1: anybody else alive. But if you saw the paramedics, you 368 00:17:15,670 --> 00:17:17,060 Speaker 1: would think, oh, there's some hope 369 00:17:17,350 --> 00:17:20,489 Speaker 1: the hospitals were very overwhelmed from what we understand. I 370 00:17:20,490 --> 00:17:23,369 Speaker 1: didn't visit any of the hospitals because it was difficult 371 00:17:23,369 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: to get into. But we spoke to one doctor who 372 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,070 Speaker 1: was saying the morgues had filled up and so they 373 00:17:28,070 --> 00:17:31,980 Speaker 1: were having to put bodies in the ward of the hospital. 374 00:17:31,990 --> 00:17:35,090 Speaker 1: Very grim. They were opening the windows in order to 375 00:17:35,090 --> 00:17:37,189 Speaker 1: try and keep the bodies cool and to keep the 376 00:17:37,190 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: sanitary conditions, 377 00:17:38,050 --> 00:17:41,820 Speaker 1: the hospital from being overwhelmed by the smell of dead bodies. 378 00:17:41,830 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: It's not nice to talk about, but it's just the 379 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: nature of a natural disaster like this for the survivors 380 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:48,790 Speaker 1: of the quake. What you saw is a lot of 381 00:17:48,790 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: these tent cities erected quite quickly by an agency called 382 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,650 Speaker 1: a fad. That's the country's National Disaster Response Agency. They 383 00:17:56,650 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: were basic tents. There wasn't much to, 384 00:17:58,740 --> 00:18:01,500 Speaker 1: to them, but what they did have was wood burning 385 00:18:01,500 --> 00:18:03,620 Speaker 1: stoves that they could attach to them. That is how 386 00:18:03,619 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: people were keeping warm because of the cold. They would 387 00:18:07,090 --> 00:18:10,220 Speaker 1: often just finding garbage and rubbish and bits of timber 388 00:18:10,220 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: from the rubble and burning that to keep warm, getting 389 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: food from local charities and then just being told that 390 00:18:16,810 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 1: you just need to stay here for the time being 391 00:18:19,580 --> 00:18:21,570 Speaker 1: until we can get you something more permanent. And I 392 00:18:21,570 --> 00:18:25,350 Speaker 1: understand now in the past couple of days more container 393 00:18:25,350 --> 00:18:27,969 Speaker 1: homes have started to arrive something a bit more permanent 394 00:18:27,970 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: and stable to keep them in until the rebuilding begins. 395 00:18:31,070 --> 00:18:33,899 Speaker 1: And that rebuilding is going to take a long time 396 00:18:33,900 --> 00:18:37,149 Speaker 1: given the size and scale of the earthquakes that struck 397 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: Trent when your time for your assignment came to an end. 398 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,550 Speaker 1: What were your thoughts as you packed up to leave? 399 00:18:43,750 --> 00:18:47,950 Speaker 1: It was, it was very conflicting because on one hand, 400 00:18:47,950 --> 00:18:52,290 Speaker 1: you felt like you were leaving these people behind and 401 00:18:52,300 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: you have a bit of guilt about that and you 402 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: want to stay a bit longer in order to try 403 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: and help or tell the story the best you can. 404 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,010 Speaker 1: But then on the other hand, you know, I'm not 405 00:19:00,010 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: afraid to say I was a little bit relieved to 406 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:05,540 Speaker 1: be leaving because it was difficult to sleep there because 407 00:19:05,540 --> 00:19:08,429 Speaker 1: there were aftershocks and I worried about being in the 408 00:19:08,430 --> 00:19:11,950 Speaker 1: hotel and whether when I felt those aftershocks, the building 409 00:19:11,950 --> 00:19:12,909 Speaker 1: could come down 410 00:19:13,109 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: and I imagine that's something going through the minds of 411 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,719 Speaker 1: a lot of people that still lived there. Even if 412 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: their home wasn't destroyed, many people are now too scared 413 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,669 Speaker 1: to return to their home because of the aftershocks and 414 00:19:22,670 --> 00:19:25,050 Speaker 1: they're worried there could be more collapses. I mean, where 415 00:19:25,050 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: I was in Malaysia, there was a big aftershock three 416 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,730 Speaker 1: or four days ago and which brought down a number 417 00:19:30,730 --> 00:19:33,209 Speaker 1: of other buildings that were still standing from the original quake. 418 00:19:33,210 --> 00:19:36,380 Speaker 1: So it's very dangerous. And that's why there's a huge 419 00:19:36,380 --> 00:19:38,660 Speaker 1: work process that needs to be done by engineers now 420 00:19:38,660 --> 00:19:40,620 Speaker 1: to go through and assess which buildings need to come 421 00:19:40,619 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 1: down and which don't 422 00:19:42,550 --> 00:19:44,380 Speaker 1: and then you sort of fly back here and you 423 00:19:44,380 --> 00:19:46,990 Speaker 1: feel safe again and you feel relieved to be in 424 00:19:46,990 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: that safety, but you sort of want to stay very connected. 425 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,570 Speaker 1: So we have stayed in touch with several people that 426 00:19:53,570 --> 00:19:56,550 Speaker 1: we met, including a number of emergency workers that we 427 00:19:56,550 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: just met along the way, we obviously wanted to introduce 428 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,990 Speaker 1: ourselves and explain what we were doing. And then through that, 429 00:20:01,990 --> 00:20:04,389 Speaker 1: we became friends with some people. They've kept us update 430 00:20:04,390 --> 00:20:06,910 Speaker 1: on what's going on. But I think the thing that 431 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,189 Speaker 1: I have been left with is despite the scale of 432 00:20:09,190 --> 00:20:10,180 Speaker 1: the tragedy, 433 00:20:10,330 --> 00:20:13,229 Speaker 1: just there was so much humanity and almost hospitality on 434 00:20:13,230 --> 00:20:16,730 Speaker 1: display which I just found extraordinary how these people could 435 00:20:16,740 --> 00:20:20,380 Speaker 1: be so hospitable and kind and welcoming. Despite going through 436 00:20:20,380 --> 00:20:23,810 Speaker 1: something so awful, you could barely get through five minutes 437 00:20:23,810 --> 00:20:25,740 Speaker 1: there without somebody offering you a cup of tea or 438 00:20:25,740 --> 00:20:28,060 Speaker 1: a juice or a coffee or asking you if you 439 00:20:28,060 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: wanted to stand by the fire because it was cold. 440 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,439 Speaker 1: And I just found that so kind and generous and 441 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,380 Speaker 1: I just was really taken back by that. 442 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,540 Speaker 1: And that's why I'd really like to go back to 443 00:20:37,540 --> 00:20:39,939 Speaker 1: Turkey in the next couple of months as they work 444 00:20:39,940 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 1: on that rebuild to sort of see the next phase 445 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: because these people need to pick up their lives from 446 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:47,140 Speaker 1: the pieces of all of this. And I think that's 447 00:20:47,140 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: an important part of the story is just how they 448 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,070 Speaker 1: do that. It certainly is. I really do hope you 449 00:20:51,070 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: get the opportunity to do that trend and then maybe 450 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,470 Speaker 1: we can get you back on CNN correspondent as well 451 00:20:55,470 --> 00:20:57,350 Speaker 1: and we can do a follow up piece on that. 452 00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:59,660 Speaker 1: That would be awesome. Thanks so much for your time today. 453 00:20:59,670 --> 00:21:00,460 Speaker 1: Thank you 454 00:21:03,170 --> 00:21:05,050 Speaker 1: at the time of this recording. The number of those 455 00:21:05,050 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: killed and injured is still rising and the aftershocks are 456 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,459 Speaker 1: being felt politically to facing calls for his administration to 457 00:21:11,460 --> 00:21:14,710 Speaker 1: resign over their handling of the disaster. Turkish President Recep 458 00:21:14,710 --> 00:21:17,830 Speaker 1: Tayyip Erdogan has asked for forgiveness admitting to shortcomings in 459 00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: his government's response to the earthquakes. The U N estimates 460 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,790 Speaker 1: more than 500,000 homes need to be rebuilt. 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