WEBVTT - What does tin mining have to do with Indonesia's crocodile attacks?

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to a CNA podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi guys, Teresa Tang here. Pop quiz time. What is

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<v Speaker 2>the world's largest living reptile? Here's a clue. This is

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<v Speaker 2>what it sounds like.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you guessed saltwater crocodiles, you're spot on. They're

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<v Speaker 2>also apex predators, meaning they sit on top of the

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<v Speaker 2>food chain. They're agile, fast, and strong, not to mention massive.

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<v Speaker 2>On average, they're 4.5 m long, and Indonesia is home

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<v Speaker 2>to the most saltwater crocodile attacks in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Why? Well, it's all linked to the country's illegal tin

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<v Speaker 2>mining industry. CNA's Kiki Siregar got up close and personal

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<v Speaker 2>with the animals, and she joins me this week to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about why these deadly clashes are on the rise. Hi, Kiki,

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<v Speaker 2>great to have you on. Hi Teresa. I have so

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<v Speaker 2>many questions about this topic. Maybe you can start off

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<v Speaker 2>by telling us about these ancient predators and how prevalent

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<v Speaker 2>they are in communities like Banca where you visited. Had

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<v Speaker 2>you seen these types of crocodiles before reporting on this story?

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<v Speaker 2>I must say I haven't seen them in Jakarta where

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<v Speaker 2>I am based. I've seen them before in the zoos.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I went to Bangka, it was my first

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<v Speaker 2>time being in Ubana. Banka is in Sumatra Island.

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<v Speaker 2>I was quite surprised to find that actually a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people are familiar with saltwater crocodiles. Even if they

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't encountered saltwater crocodiles in their lives, they would have

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<v Speaker 2>known someone who had, so it's quite common, I must say.

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<v Speaker 2>Now your story, it's up on YouTube, it has almost

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<v Speaker 2>200,000 views and I was reading through the comments that

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<v Speaker 2>people left and a lot of them are saying,

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<v Speaker 2>Look, it's us humans who are to blame for the attacks,

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<v Speaker 2>not these animals. And that is correct because the good

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<v Speaker 2>thing is humans are actually not on the menu of

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<v Speaker 2>salt spots or crocodiles. So that's a good thing, but

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<v Speaker 2>having said that,

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<v Speaker 2>They're very sensitive, and if the habitat gets destroyed, they

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<v Speaker 2>would need to migrate. Saltwater crocodiles are sensitive to noise

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<v Speaker 2>and illegal tin mining is very rampant in Banger. You

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<v Speaker 2>can find illegal tin mining behind schools, people's homes. This

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<v Speaker 2>was not the case 20 years ago, so illegal mining

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<v Speaker 2>has become rampant in recent years, so to say.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is why we have seen an increase in attacks.

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<v Speaker 2>You spoke to a man named Lammuddin, and he says

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<v Speaker 2>he turned away from farming. He decided to pursue illegal

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<v Speaker 2>tin mining because he simply couldn't make a living in

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<v Speaker 2>the legal way, and I know in your story you

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<v Speaker 2>say he was attacked by a saltwater croc, but he

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<v Speaker 2>counts himself lucky. Can you tell me more about him?

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<v Speaker 2>And it really seems like his story is indicative of

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<v Speaker 2>So many others. Yes, well, he is indeed lucky because

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<v Speaker 2>he survived. Many people don't, right? Lahmuddin used to be

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<v Speaker 2>a salt pepper farmer about 15 years ago, and he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't earn much as a salt pepper farmer, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>how he then decided to become an illegal tin miner.

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<v Speaker 2>So one day back in 2013,

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<v Speaker 2>He was done for the day. I wanted to go home,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is what Lahmmuddin had to say. One day

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<v Speaker 2>when I finished minington illegally, I went home by boat

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<v Speaker 2>and I was attacked there. This is the scar. I

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<v Speaker 2>fought back and instead it jumped onto my left thigh.

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<v Speaker 2>It hurt so much. Blood was flowing out of my thighs.

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<v Speaker 2>And so he was just struggling with the situation.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was left paralyzed for a month, but after

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<v Speaker 2>a month, he slowly recovered and because he had no

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<v Speaker 2>other job, he decided to go back mining, but in

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<v Speaker 2>order to be safer, he decided to move to another

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<v Speaker 2>place where he thinks he would not encounter crocs. So

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<v Speaker 2>it sounds like people like him are willing to take

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<v Speaker 2>the risk, right, just to earn a living. When I

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<v Speaker 2>was researching for this episode, I watched your story, I

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<v Speaker 2>also pulled up videos of these massive reptiles and

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<v Speaker 2>Just seeing them on the screen, Kiki, I totally got

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<v Speaker 2>the sense of how dangerous they are and I read

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<v Speaker 2>about a 5 year old girl who was just attacked

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<v Speaker 2>in January. I cannot imagine coming face to face with one.

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<v Speaker 2>They're actually very scary, I must say. Like I did

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<v Speaker 2>a few PTCs and I said, let's not use these

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<v Speaker 2>ones because I looked very scared.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they're huge. Did I mention they can actually weigh

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<v Speaker 2>up to 1000 kg? Yeah, so 1000 kg 7 m long,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're not just in Bangka, they're actually also in

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<v Speaker 2>other parts of Indonesia, in particular in eastern Indonesia. Bangka

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<v Speaker 2>has seen the highest number of human crocodile attacks in

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<v Speaker 2>recent years, but we also have provinces such as East

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<v Speaker 2>Nusa Tangara and East Kalimantan facing the same situation.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's primarily because the habitat has been destroyed, not

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<v Speaker 2>just because of tin mining, it could also be because

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<v Speaker 2>of uh palm oil expansion. Before I went to Banger,

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<v Speaker 2>the big question was how could I actually see a crocodile, right?

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<v Speaker 2>So I did some Googling and then I encountered this

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube channel where a person claims to be a crocodile caller.

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<v Speaker 2>So he calls crocodiles, at least he claims to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to call crocodiles by whistling, like,

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously louder

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<v Speaker 2>And based on the footage of videos I saw on

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<v Speaker 2>his YouTube channel, a crocodile would then come swimming, and

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<v Speaker 2>then he would do some stunts. This is his job.

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<v Speaker 2>He is a YouTuber and he does it because he

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<v Speaker 2>was shopless at that time. So when I went to Bunker,

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<v Speaker 2>I met up with him and we went to an

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<v Speaker 2>estuary where he did exactly that what I just said.

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<v Speaker 2>He whistled, and then slowly I could see a crock

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<v Speaker 2>approaching me.

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<v Speaker 2>I got scared, I must say, and once the crocodile

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<v Speaker 2>became quite close to us, the crocodile collar threw a

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<v Speaker 2>dead chicken into the estuary, so the crocodile jumped.

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<v Speaker 2>and we had good footage because of that, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>where I did my PTC, but I really, I really

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<v Speaker 2>looked scared, so it was not good.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is actually not in my report and there's

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<v Speaker 2>a reason why I did not include this in my report,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is because I must say I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how legit he is because after this, we went to

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<v Speaker 2>a 2nd place where he did exactly the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And nothing happened. I couldn't see a crocodile, and then

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<v Speaker 2>we went to a 3rd and 4th place, the same thing,

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<v Speaker 2>unlucky for us. It could well be that in the

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<v Speaker 2>next attempts, nothing happened because simply there were no crocodiles there.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure, but it could also be that he

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<v Speaker 2>really doesn't possess any special skills.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was interesting because that was really the first

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<v Speaker 2>time in my life I saw a crocodile in an

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<v Speaker 2>estuary quite close to me. Do you have any figures

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<v Speaker 2>like how many attacks there have been over the past

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<v Speaker 2>few years or most recently? In Indonesia, it's about 1000

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<v Speaker 2>attacks in the last decade.

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<v Speaker 2>Which has led to about 500 deaths. That's a lot, right? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the world, right? Is that what people are calling it? Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So Indonesia has the most crocodile attacks in the world

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<v Speaker 2>and in Banger since 2016, I think there were about

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<v Speaker 2>60 deaths and just last year alone.

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<v Speaker 2>2024, 10 deaths, around 10 deaths. So going back to

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<v Speaker 2>your point of how scared you were when you tried

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<v Speaker 2>to film your piece to camera, when you're that close

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<v Speaker 2>to the animal, how do their handlers keep you safe?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, are they restrained in any way? Did you

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<v Speaker 2>feel like you made eye contact with them? Can you

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<v Speaker 2>kind of describe what it's like being near such a

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<v Speaker 2>large reptile? First off, I made sure I was quite

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<v Speaker 2>far away from the crock.

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<v Speaker 2>Until we had to do the PTC, right? So that's

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<v Speaker 2>the point when I came, how far away was I?

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<v Speaker 2>Probab like 5 m away, maybe less from the crocodile.

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<v Speaker 2>And at that point, environmentalists were actually holding the crocodile,

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<v Speaker 2>so in that sense, the croc was tight, so I

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<v Speaker 2>was safe. The environmentals are all professionals and they have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of experience dealing with crocodiles, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, luckily nothing happened. Yeah, but sadly attacks are not

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<v Speaker 2>uncommon and when one happens, there's actually a sequence of

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<v Speaker 2>events that takes place, right? I was reading how sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>local residents try and catch the animal themselves. That's just wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that allowed, Kiki? How successful are people on their

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<v Speaker 2>own if they try to do this?

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<v Speaker 2>And it's actually not allowed because crocodiles are protected by

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<v Speaker 2>law and should people know of a situation where there's

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<v Speaker 2>a crocodile nearby or they've encountered one, they should call

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<v Speaker 2>the authorities or they could also call environmentalists in Banger,

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<v Speaker 2>there's an organization called LOB Foundation who help people dealing

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<v Speaker 2>with such conditions.

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<v Speaker 2>I must say there is revenge killing in some situations

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<v Speaker 2>where people feel, OK, I see a crocodile, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to kill this crocodile, and they take things into their

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<v Speaker 2>own hands, which is really sad, but Andy Yusouf, an

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<v Speaker 2>environmentalist from Alobi Foundation told me.

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<v Speaker 2>People should stay away from it and let them deal

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<v Speaker 2>with the animals. We should protect the wild habitats of

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<v Speaker 2>animals in nature. This applies to all animals in Bunker Beliung,

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<v Speaker 2>not just the crocodiles, because illegal mining, which destroys the

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<v Speaker 2>habitat is extraordinarily widespread in Bua Belitton. The entire habitat

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<v Speaker 2>has been damaged by illegal mining, which then forces wild

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<v Speaker 2>animals out of their homes.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, according to Statista, Indonesia is one of the world's

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<v Speaker 2>largest tin producers, coming only 3rd after China and Myanmar.

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<v Speaker 2>Can we talk about that industry, you know, how important

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<v Speaker 2>is it to the Indonesian economy and how much political

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<v Speaker 2>will is there really to deal with this illegal mining?

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<v Speaker 2>It is very important to the economy. So when I

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<v Speaker 2>was there last year in 2024, it so happens that

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<v Speaker 2>there was a corruption case going on surrounding illegal tin mining.

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<v Speaker 2>And because of that, a lot of people were afraid

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<v Speaker 2>to mind. So when I was there, people were telling me, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't been working for days, because I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not mining at the moment because I'm afraid that

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<v Speaker 2>the cops would come and catch me because they know

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<v Speaker 2>it's illegal. So it's very complicated. Basically, the government wants

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<v Speaker 2>to solve it. They want, they want to solve illegal

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<v Speaker 2>tin mining, but the problem is what should people do then, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Legal mining is done by a state-owned enterprise called PTIA.

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<v Speaker 2>They produce tin and usually the tin gets exported to

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<v Speaker 2>countries and then produced as mostly electronics.

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<v Speaker 2>Major brands such as Samsung, Apple reportedly have been using

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<v Speaker 2>Tin from Banker, but it's, it's really complicated because again, it's,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a high unemployment rate.

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<v Speaker 2>And because Bangka is a major producer of tin, people

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<v Speaker 2>just think, OK, this is the easiest way out. So

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<v Speaker 2>there's the political aspects, there's also the ecological aspect, I suppose,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, with these crocodiles, because even if they're caught

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<v Speaker 2>after they injure or maim someone, the story doesn't end

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<v Speaker 2>there because there are challenges on that end too, right? Namely,

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to resources and where these animals should go.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. So if Aloy Foundation, that's the environmentalist group get

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<v Speaker 2>a call that a crocodile is nearby or they need

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<v Speaker 2>to rescue someone, they would definitely come as soon as

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<v Speaker 2>they can. But Aloy Foundation has limited staff, they have

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<v Speaker 2>limited funding as well and also limited resources. They can

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<v Speaker 2>take up about 20 crocodiles, but they told me there

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<v Speaker 2>were cases when there were more than 20 crocodiles.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they said, OK, what now? What they did

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<v Speaker 2>was they decided to let go of some and put

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<v Speaker 2>it back into nature. So it becomes a vicious cycle,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say when I knew about this, my question was,

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<v Speaker 2>can you not migrate the crock somewhere else, right? Exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>especially because Indonesian is a cappelago. It has so many islands,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't there like an empty island anywhere else?

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<v Speaker 2>But they say it's not that easy. First of all,

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<v Speaker 2>saltwater crocodiles can only live in certain situations. They don't

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<v Speaker 2>live in sea. They live in shallow rivers, estuaries, and

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<v Speaker 2>also if they need to migrate, it would take a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of resources, human resources, financial resources as well. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's the situation at the moment sadly. It's a really interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>very complex story. Thank you so much for coming on

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<v Speaker 2>and sharing those details with me. Thank you, Theresa.

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<v Speaker 2>Head to YouTube and CNA.Asia as well to see Kiki's reports.

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<v Speaker 2>And also there are TV episodes of CNA Correspondent every

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<v Speaker 2>Wednesday at 9:30 p.m. Singapore, Hong Kong time. I'm Teresa Tang.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much for joining me this week. The

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<v Speaker 2>team behind this episode is Sai Yaguin, Clara Ong, Tiffany Ag,

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<v Speaker 2>Juani Johari, and Craig Dale. Bye for now.