1 00:00:02,859 --> 00:00:05,150 Speaker 1: You're listening to a CNA podcast. 2 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,670 Speaker 2: Hi guys, Teresa Tang here. Pop quiz time. What is 3 00:00:14,670 --> 00:00:18,628 Speaker 2: the world's largest living reptile? Here's a clue. This is 4 00:00:18,629 --> 00:00:19,579 Speaker 2: what it sounds like. 5 00:00:24,979 --> 00:00:28,780 Speaker 2: Well, if you guessed saltwater crocodiles, you're spot on. They're 6 00:00:28,780 --> 00:00:31,899 Speaker 2: also apex predators, meaning they sit on top of the 7 00:00:31,899 --> 00:00:36,650 Speaker 2: food chain. They're agile, fast, and strong, not to mention massive. 8 00:00:36,790 --> 00:00:41,090 Speaker 2: On average, they're 4.5 m long, and Indonesia is home 9 00:00:41,090 --> 00:00:44,379 Speaker 2: to the most saltwater crocodile attacks in the world. 10 00:00:45,020 --> 00:00:48,090 Speaker 2: Why? Well, it's all linked to the country's illegal tin 11 00:00:48,090 --> 00:00:52,339 Speaker 2: mining industry. CNA's Kiki Siregar got up close and personal 12 00:00:52,340 --> 00:00:54,580 Speaker 2: with the animals, and she joins me this week to 13 00:00:54,580 --> 00:00:58,619 Speaker 2: talk about why these deadly clashes are on the rise. Hi, Kiki, 14 00:00:58,700 --> 00:01:01,939 Speaker 2: great to have you on. Hi Teresa. I have so 15 00:01:01,939 --> 00:01:04,539 Speaker 2: many questions about this topic. Maybe you can start off 16 00:01:04,540 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 2: by telling us about these ancient predators and how prevalent 17 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,099 Speaker 2: they are in communities like Banca where you visited. Had 18 00:01:11,099 --> 00:01:14,529 Speaker 2: you seen these types of crocodiles before reporting on this story? 19 00:01:14,919 --> 00:01:17,339 Speaker 2: I must say I haven't seen them in Jakarta where 20 00:01:17,339 --> 00:01:21,470 Speaker 2: I am based. I've seen them before in the zoos. 21 00:01:22,699 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 2: So when I went to Bangka, it was my first 22 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,179 Speaker 2: time being in Ubana. Banka is in Sumatra Island. 23 00:01:27,599 --> 00:01:29,790 Speaker 2: I was quite surprised to find that actually a lot 24 00:01:29,790 --> 00:01:33,110 Speaker 2: of people are familiar with saltwater crocodiles. Even if they 25 00:01:33,110 --> 00:01:37,309 Speaker 2: hadn't encountered saltwater crocodiles in their lives, they would have 26 00:01:37,309 --> 00:01:40,139 Speaker 2: known someone who had, so it's quite common, I must say. 27 00:01:40,550 --> 00:01:43,220 Speaker 2: Now your story, it's up on YouTube, it has almost 28 00:01:43,220 --> 00:01:46,510 Speaker 2: 200,000 views and I was reading through the comments that 29 00:01:46,510 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: people left and a lot of them are saying, 30 00:01:49,169 --> 00:01:52,129 Speaker 2: Look, it's us humans who are to blame for the attacks, 31 00:01:52,250 --> 00:01:55,010 Speaker 2: not these animals. And that is correct because the good 32 00:01:55,010 --> 00:01:58,010 Speaker 2: thing is humans are actually not on the menu of 33 00:01:58,010 --> 00:02:01,330 Speaker 2: salt spots or crocodiles. So that's a good thing, but 34 00:02:01,330 --> 00:02:02,389 Speaker 2: having said that, 35 00:02:03,029 --> 00:02:07,470 Speaker 2: They're very sensitive, and if the habitat gets destroyed, they 36 00:02:07,470 --> 00:02:11,820 Speaker 2: would need to migrate. Saltwater crocodiles are sensitive to noise 37 00:02:12,309 --> 00:02:15,710 Speaker 2: and illegal tin mining is very rampant in Banger. You 38 00:02:15,710 --> 00:02:20,949 Speaker 2: can find illegal tin mining behind schools, people's homes. This 39 00:02:20,949 --> 00:02:24,788 Speaker 2: was not the case 20 years ago, so illegal mining 40 00:02:24,788 --> 00:02:28,070 Speaker 2: has become rampant in recent years, so to say. 41 00:02:28,570 --> 00:02:32,029 Speaker 2: And this is why we have seen an increase in attacks. 42 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 2: You spoke to a man named Lammuddin, and he says 43 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,589 Speaker 2: he turned away from farming. He decided to pursue illegal 44 00:02:38,589 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: tin mining because he simply couldn't make a living in 45 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: the legal way, and I know in your story you 46 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,399 Speaker 2: say he was attacked by a saltwater croc, but he 47 00:02:46,399 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: counts himself lucky. Can you tell me more about him? 48 00:02:49,038 --> 00:02:51,759 Speaker 2: And it really seems like his story is indicative of 49 00:02:51,804 --> 00:02:54,835 Speaker 2: So many others. Yes, well, he is indeed lucky because 50 00:02:54,835 --> 00:02:59,073 Speaker 2: he survived. Many people don't, right? Lahmuddin used to be 51 00:02:59,074 --> 00:03:03,835 Speaker 2: a salt pepper farmer about 15 years ago, and he 52 00:03:03,835 --> 00:03:06,595 Speaker 2: didn't earn much as a salt pepper farmer, and that's 53 00:03:06,595 --> 00:03:09,184 Speaker 2: how he then decided to become an illegal tin miner. 54 00:03:09,633 --> 00:03:11,875 Speaker 2: So one day back in 2013, 55 00:03:12,479 --> 00:03:15,910 Speaker 2: He was done for the day. I wanted to go home, 56 00:03:16,119 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 2: and this is what Lahmmuddin had to say. One day 57 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,149 Speaker 2: when I finished minington illegally, I went home by boat 58 00:03:24,149 --> 00:03:28,198 Speaker 2: and I was attacked there. This is the scar. I 59 00:03:28,199 --> 00:03:32,109 Speaker 2: fought back and instead it jumped onto my left thigh. 60 00:03:32,559 --> 00:03:37,029 Speaker 2: It hurt so much. Blood was flowing out of my thighs. 61 00:03:37,639 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 2: And so he was just struggling with the situation. 62 00:03:40,820 --> 00:03:44,710 Speaker 2: And he was left paralyzed for a month, but after 63 00:03:44,710 --> 00:03:47,669 Speaker 2: a month, he slowly recovered and because he had no 64 00:03:47,669 --> 00:03:50,630 Speaker 2: other job, he decided to go back mining, but in 65 00:03:50,630 --> 00:03:54,130 Speaker 2: order to be safer, he decided to move to another 66 00:03:54,130 --> 00:03:58,949 Speaker 2: place where he thinks he would not encounter crocs. So 67 00:03:58,949 --> 00:04:01,029 Speaker 2: it sounds like people like him are willing to take 68 00:04:01,029 --> 00:04:03,710 Speaker 2: the risk, right, just to earn a living. When I 69 00:04:03,710 --> 00:04:06,710 Speaker 2: was researching for this episode, I watched your story, I 70 00:04:06,710 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: also pulled up videos of these massive reptiles and 71 00:04:10,570 --> 00:04:13,410 Speaker 2: Just seeing them on the screen, Kiki, I totally got 72 00:04:13,410 --> 00:04:16,450 Speaker 2: the sense of how dangerous they are and I read 73 00:04:16,450 --> 00:04:18,690 Speaker 2: about a 5 year old girl who was just attacked 74 00:04:18,690 --> 00:04:22,459 Speaker 2: in January. I cannot imagine coming face to face with one. 75 00:04:22,690 --> 00:04:25,049 Speaker 2: They're actually very scary, I must say. Like I did 76 00:04:25,049 --> 00:04:28,049 Speaker 2: a few PTCs and I said, let's not use these 77 00:04:28,049 --> 00:04:30,809 Speaker 2: ones because I looked very scared. 78 00:04:31,100 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: Well, they're huge. Did I mention they can actually weigh 79 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:38,910 Speaker 2: up to 1000 kg? Yeah, so 1000 kg 7 m long, 80 00:04:39,119 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 2: and they're not just in Bangka, they're actually also in 81 00:04:42,359 --> 00:04:46,078 Speaker 2: other parts of Indonesia, in particular in eastern Indonesia. Bangka 82 00:04:46,079 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: has seen the highest number of human crocodile attacks in 83 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,339 Speaker 2: recent years, but we also have provinces such as East 84 00:04:54,339 --> 00:04:57,559 Speaker 2: Nusa Tangara and East Kalimantan facing the same situation. 85 00:04:57,970 --> 00:05:01,679 Speaker 2: And it's primarily because the habitat has been destroyed, not 86 00:05:01,678 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 2: just because of tin mining, it could also be because 87 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,799 Speaker 2: of uh palm oil expansion. Before I went to Banger, 88 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,829 Speaker 2: the big question was how could I actually see a crocodile, right? 89 00:05:12,359 --> 00:05:15,730 Speaker 2: So I did some Googling and then I encountered this 90 00:05:15,730 --> 00:05:19,829 Speaker 2: YouTube channel where a person claims to be a crocodile caller. 91 00:05:20,359 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 2: So he calls crocodiles, at least he claims to be 92 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,510 Speaker 2: able to call crocodiles by whistling, like, 93 00:05:27,869 --> 00:05:28,799 Speaker 2: Obviously louder 94 00:05:30,010 --> 00:05:32,529 Speaker 2: And based on the footage of videos I saw on 95 00:05:32,529 --> 00:05:35,970 Speaker 2: his YouTube channel, a crocodile would then come swimming, and 96 00:05:35,970 --> 00:05:38,799 Speaker 2: then he would do some stunts. This is his job. 97 00:05:39,049 --> 00:05:42,339 Speaker 2: He is a YouTuber and he does it because he 98 00:05:42,339 --> 00:05:45,140 Speaker 2: was shopless at that time. So when I went to Bunker, 99 00:05:45,209 --> 00:05:47,730 Speaker 2: I met up with him and we went to an 100 00:05:47,730 --> 00:05:50,890 Speaker 2: estuary where he did exactly that what I just said. 101 00:05:50,928 --> 00:05:54,250 Speaker 2: He whistled, and then slowly I could see a crock 102 00:05:54,250 --> 00:05:55,070 Speaker 2: approaching me. 103 00:05:55,769 --> 00:05:59,510 Speaker 2: I got scared, I must say, and once the crocodile 104 00:05:59,510 --> 00:06:03,929 Speaker 2: became quite close to us, the crocodile collar threw a 105 00:06:03,928 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: dead chicken into the estuary, so the crocodile jumped. 106 00:06:07,570 --> 00:06:09,899 Speaker 2: and we had good footage because of that, and that's 107 00:06:09,899 --> 00:06:11,730 Speaker 2: where I did my PTC, but I really, I really 108 00:06:11,730 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 2: looked scared, so it was not good. 109 00:06:14,540 --> 00:06:17,260 Speaker 2: So this is actually not in my report and there's 110 00:06:17,260 --> 00:06:20,420 Speaker 2: a reason why I did not include this in my report, 111 00:06:20,428 --> 00:06:22,380 Speaker 2: and that is because I must say I don't know 112 00:06:22,380 --> 00:06:25,979 Speaker 2: how legit he is because after this, we went to 113 00:06:25,980 --> 00:06:28,738 Speaker 2: a 2nd place where he did exactly the same thing. 114 00:06:29,049 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 2: And nothing happened. I couldn't see a crocodile, and then 115 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: we went to a 3rd and 4th place, the same thing, 116 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 2: unlucky for us. It could well be that in the 117 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:41,709 Speaker 2: next attempts, nothing happened because simply there were no crocodiles there. 118 00:06:41,950 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but it could also be that he 119 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,959 Speaker 2: really doesn't possess any special skills. 120 00:06:47,105 --> 00:06:49,493 Speaker 2: But it was interesting because that was really the first 121 00:06:49,494 --> 00:06:51,524 Speaker 2: time in my life I saw a crocodile in an 122 00:06:51,524 --> 00:06:54,614 Speaker 2: estuary quite close to me. Do you have any figures 123 00:06:54,613 --> 00:06:57,695 Speaker 2: like how many attacks there have been over the past 124 00:06:57,695 --> 00:07:03,855 Speaker 2: few years or most recently? In Indonesia, it's about 1000 125 00:07:03,855 --> 00:07:05,045 Speaker 2: attacks in the last decade. 126 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,799 Speaker 2: Which has led to about 500 deaths. That's a lot, right? Yeah, 127 00:07:10,119 --> 00:07:13,829 Speaker 2: it's the world, right? Is that what people are calling it? Exactly. 128 00:07:14,170 --> 00:07:17,950 Speaker 2: So Indonesia has the most crocodile attacks in the world 129 00:07:17,950 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: and in Banger since 2016, I think there were about 130 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: 60 deaths and just last year alone. 131 00:07:26,279 --> 00:07:30,220 Speaker 2: 2024, 10 deaths, around 10 deaths. So going back to 132 00:07:30,220 --> 00:07:32,140 Speaker 2: your point of how scared you were when you tried 133 00:07:32,140 --> 00:07:34,980 Speaker 2: to film your piece to camera, when you're that close 134 00:07:34,980 --> 00:07:38,850 Speaker 2: to the animal, how do their handlers keep you safe? 135 00:07:38,940 --> 00:07:41,980 Speaker 2: I mean, are they restrained in any way? Did you 136 00:07:41,980 --> 00:07:43,820 Speaker 2: feel like you made eye contact with them? Can you 137 00:07:43,820 --> 00:07:45,940 Speaker 2: kind of describe what it's like being near such a 138 00:07:45,940 --> 00:07:49,299 Speaker 2: large reptile? First off, I made sure I was quite 139 00:07:49,299 --> 00:07:50,459 Speaker 2: far away from the crock. 140 00:07:51,369 --> 00:07:54,089 Speaker 2: Until we had to do the PTC, right? So that's 141 00:07:54,089 --> 00:07:57,279 Speaker 2: the point when I came, how far away was I? 142 00:07:57,290 --> 00:08:00,279 Speaker 2: Probab like 5 m away, maybe less from the crocodile. 143 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 2: And at that point, environmentalists were actually holding the crocodile, 144 00:08:05,250 --> 00:08:07,769 Speaker 2: so in that sense, the croc was tight, so I 145 00:08:07,769 --> 00:08:11,769 Speaker 2: was safe. The environmentals are all professionals and they have 146 00:08:11,769 --> 00:08:13,970 Speaker 2: a lot of experience dealing with crocodiles, so. 147 00:08:14,329 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, luckily nothing happened. Yeah, but sadly attacks are not 148 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,279 Speaker 2: uncommon and when one happens, there's actually a sequence of 149 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 2: events that takes place, right? I was reading how sometimes 150 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:30,029 Speaker 2: local residents try and catch the animal themselves. That's just wild. 151 00:08:30,359 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 2: Is that allowed, Kiki? How successful are people on their 152 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,039 Speaker 2: own if they try to do this? 153 00:08:35,530 --> 00:08:38,478 Speaker 2: And it's actually not allowed because crocodiles are protected by 154 00:08:38,479 --> 00:08:42,159 Speaker 2: law and should people know of a situation where there's 155 00:08:42,159 --> 00:08:45,799 Speaker 2: a crocodile nearby or they've encountered one, they should call 156 00:08:45,799 --> 00:08:50,159 Speaker 2: the authorities or they could also call environmentalists in Banger, 157 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 2: there's an organization called LOB Foundation who help people dealing 158 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:56,039 Speaker 2: with such conditions. 159 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:59,729 Speaker 2: I must say there is revenge killing in some situations 160 00:08:59,729 --> 00:09:02,369 Speaker 2: where people feel, OK, I see a crocodile, I want 161 00:09:02,369 --> 00:09:04,689 Speaker 2: to kill this crocodile, and they take things into their 162 00:09:04,690 --> 00:09:08,169 Speaker 2: own hands, which is really sad, but Andy Yusouf, an 163 00:09:08,169 --> 00:09:10,439 Speaker 2: environmentalist from Alobi Foundation told me. 164 00:09:11,020 --> 00:09:13,979 Speaker 2: People should stay away from it and let them deal 165 00:09:13,979 --> 00:09:19,179 Speaker 2: with the animals. We should protect the wild habitats of 166 00:09:19,179 --> 00:09:23,299 Speaker 2: animals in nature. This applies to all animals in Bunker Beliung, 167 00:09:23,659 --> 00:09:27,329 Speaker 2: not just the crocodiles, because illegal mining, which destroys the 168 00:09:27,330 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 2: habitat is extraordinarily widespread in Bua Belitton. The entire habitat 169 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,659 Speaker 2: has been damaged by illegal mining, which then forces wild 170 00:09:35,659 --> 00:09:37,140 Speaker 2: animals out of their homes. 171 00:09:37,669 --> 00:09:41,510 Speaker 2: Now, according to Statista, Indonesia is one of the world's 172 00:09:41,510 --> 00:09:45,780 Speaker 2: largest tin producers, coming only 3rd after China and Myanmar. 173 00:09:46,150 --> 00:09:48,339 Speaker 2: Can we talk about that industry, you know, how important 174 00:09:48,340 --> 00:09:51,510 Speaker 2: is it to the Indonesian economy and how much political 175 00:09:51,510 --> 00:09:54,700 Speaker 2: will is there really to deal with this illegal mining? 176 00:09:55,150 --> 00:09:57,799 Speaker 2: It is very important to the economy. So when I 177 00:09:57,799 --> 00:10:02,109 Speaker 2: was there last year in 2024, it so happens that 178 00:10:02,109 --> 00:10:05,869 Speaker 2: there was a corruption case going on surrounding illegal tin mining. 179 00:10:06,359 --> 00:10:08,950 Speaker 2: And because of that, a lot of people were afraid 180 00:10:08,950 --> 00:10:13,020 Speaker 2: to mind. So when I was there, people were telling me, look, 181 00:10:13,099 --> 00:10:15,539 Speaker 2: I haven't been working for days, because I don't know 182 00:10:15,539 --> 00:10:16,140 Speaker 2: what to do. 183 00:10:16,530 --> 00:10:18,619 Speaker 2: I'm not mining at the moment because I'm afraid that 184 00:10:18,619 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 2: the cops would come and catch me because they know 185 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 2: it's illegal. So it's very complicated. Basically, the government wants 186 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,718 Speaker 2: to solve it. They want, they want to solve illegal 187 00:10:28,719 --> 00:10:33,099 Speaker 2: tin mining, but the problem is what should people do then, right? 188 00:10:33,599 --> 00:10:38,039 Speaker 2: Legal mining is done by a state-owned enterprise called PTIA. 189 00:10:38,239 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 2: They produce tin and usually the tin gets exported to 190 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 2: countries and then produced as mostly electronics. 191 00:10:45,809 --> 00:10:49,369 Speaker 2: Major brands such as Samsung, Apple reportedly have been using 192 00:10:49,369 --> 00:10:53,650 Speaker 2: Tin from Banker, but it's, it's really complicated because again, it's, 193 00:10:53,690 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: it's a high unemployment rate. 194 00:10:55,809 --> 00:10:58,229 Speaker 2: And because Bangka is a major producer of tin, people 195 00:10:58,229 --> 00:11:00,869 Speaker 2: just think, OK, this is the easiest way out. So 196 00:11:00,869 --> 00:11:05,109 Speaker 2: there's the political aspects, there's also the ecological aspect, I suppose, 197 00:11:05,190 --> 00:11:08,380 Speaker 2: you know, with these crocodiles, because even if they're caught 198 00:11:08,380 --> 00:11:11,630 Speaker 2: after they injure or maim someone, the story doesn't end 199 00:11:11,630 --> 00:11:14,299 Speaker 2: there because there are challenges on that end too, right? Namely, 200 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,659 Speaker 2: when it comes to resources and where these animals should go. 201 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 2: Exactly. So if Aloy Foundation, that's the environmentalist group get 202 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: a call that a crocodile is nearby or they need 203 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,319 Speaker 2: to rescue someone, they would definitely come as soon as 204 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 2: they can. But Aloy Foundation has limited staff, they have 205 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:39,359 Speaker 2: limited funding as well and also limited resources. They can 206 00:11:39,359 --> 00:11:43,719 Speaker 2: take up about 20 crocodiles, but they told me there 207 00:11:43,719 --> 00:11:46,859 Speaker 2: were cases when there were more than 20 crocodiles. 208 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,570 Speaker 2: And then they said, OK, what now? What they did 209 00:11:50,570 --> 00:11:54,450 Speaker 2: was they decided to let go of some and put 210 00:11:54,450 --> 00:11:57,510 Speaker 2: it back into nature. So it becomes a vicious cycle, 211 00:11:57,530 --> 00:11:59,968 Speaker 2: I would say when I knew about this, my question was, 212 00:12:00,090 --> 00:12:05,218 Speaker 2: can you not migrate the crock somewhere else, right? Exactly, 213 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,469 Speaker 2: especially because Indonesian is a cappelago. It has so many islands, 214 00:12:09,710 --> 00:12:11,630 Speaker 2: isn't there like an empty island anywhere else? 215 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,750 Speaker 2: But they say it's not that easy. First of all, 216 00:12:14,909 --> 00:12:17,949 Speaker 2: saltwater crocodiles can only live in certain situations. They don't 217 00:12:17,950 --> 00:12:20,909 Speaker 2: live in sea. They live in shallow rivers, estuaries, and 218 00:12:20,909 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 2: also if they need to migrate, it would take a 219 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:28,150 Speaker 2: lot of resources, human resources, financial resources as well. So 220 00:12:28,150 --> 00:12:31,729 Speaker 2: that's the situation at the moment sadly. It's a really interesting, 221 00:12:31,909 --> 00:12:34,789 Speaker 2: very complex story. Thank you so much for coming on 222 00:12:34,789 --> 00:12:37,349 Speaker 2: and sharing those details with me. Thank you, Theresa. 223 00:12:37,799 --> 00:12:41,849 Speaker 2: Head to YouTube and CNA.Asia as well to see Kiki's reports. 224 00:12:41,929 --> 00:12:45,569 Speaker 2: And also there are TV episodes of CNA Correspondent every 225 00:12:45,570 --> 00:12:49,299 Speaker 2: Wednesday at 9:30 p.m. Singapore, Hong Kong time. I'm Teresa Tang. 226 00:12:49,369 --> 00:12:51,340 Speaker 2: Thank you very much for joining me this week. The 227 00:12:51,340 --> 00:12:55,289 Speaker 2: team behind this episode is Sai Yaguin, Clara Ong, Tiffany Ag, 228 00:12:55,450 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: Juani Johari, and Craig Dale. Bye for now.