Speaker 1: Hey, what's going on? It's sonia here with you. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to yet another episode of Men explain
Speaker 1: today we have a super app guest for our topic
Speaker 1: and I can't wait to review what the topic is.
Speaker 1: But first please welcome Amanda.
Speaker 2: Hello. I guys. Amanda and I am a host. I cook.
Speaker 2: I talent. I do things that I might not want
Speaker 2: to do on T. S. L. Like like what? Like
Speaker 2: eating ridiculous food for 72 hours.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I know you have tons of great
Speaker 1: content by the way and I'm sure, I'm sure at
Speaker 1: the same time you've eaten your fair share of interesting
Speaker 1: things that you do not want to repeat again.
Speaker 2: You're never ever again. You think about it? I have
Speaker 2: a friend who
Speaker 2: meet blue. P. Everything forced me to try. It
Speaker 1: blew P everything. But what's wrong with that? That's not
Speaker 1: so weird.
Speaker 2: You mentioned you die, you die your fried chicken blue. Okay.
Speaker 2: That's a bit weird.
Speaker 1: Strange. It doesn't give you the kitchen that doesn't give
Speaker 1: any particular flavor. Right? It doesn't doesn't mostly the color. Okay. Okay.
Speaker 1: So we've established that he has a very interesting career choice.
Speaker 1: You don't regret anything, right? I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: how good your bosses might be watching my dog. You
Speaker 1: never know.
Speaker 1: Okay man. I mean obviously, you know you have a
Speaker 1: love for food and you know, we can see that
Speaker 1: as well in a short conversation earlier, you said that
Speaker 1: you actually cook almost every day.
Speaker 2: I try to cook almost every other day for my family. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because because my mom's here is like a bit, so
Speaker 2: I just want to want her to like straighten herself
Speaker 2: too much or
Speaker 2: do chores. So I will try to cook, I would
Speaker 2: do like a fish and meat and then
Speaker 2: a veg plus some rice. That is,
Speaker 1: that's advanced, that is, that is placing, that's basically clearly
Speaker 1: we have a lot through during this show today and
Speaker 1: during this episode, we're also going to address the fact about,
Speaker 1: you know, this whole stereotype about being able to cook
Speaker 1: being more marriageable, being more, I don't know, eligible as
Speaker 1: well as a partner and all that. I think times
Speaker 1: are changing, right, Things are changing, but the main question
Speaker 1: of today is would you marry someone who doesn't really
Speaker 1: know how to cook? Is that a very important factor?
Speaker 1: I mean, just to kick things off, would you say
Speaker 1: that that is one of the things you look for
Speaker 1: in a partner?
Speaker 2: I think like
Speaker 2: the appreciation for food is something that I look out
Speaker 2: for more and then like understand the process behind it.
Speaker 2: Makes it a lot more
Speaker 2: complex. Makes it makes it a lot more,
Speaker 2: makes the person look more
Speaker 1: come on, just spit it out. There's no filter here
Speaker 1: on this podcast.
Speaker 2: Okay. The person is more attractive to the person or
Speaker 2: the on the t shirt. 100%. Just because, right, I
Speaker 2: think that is both my hobby. Okay, and it is
Speaker 2: some part of my career. So, so if the person
Speaker 2: is able to marry both together, right? In that one skill,
Speaker 2: I think that is
Speaker 2: perfect.
Speaker 1: This is not tough at all. I mean just so
Speaker 1: now I'm sure you'll find someone who is able to
Speaker 1: meet those expectations. Hopefully. Do you think that, that you
Speaker 1: sometimes sort of expect this of your partner because you have,
Speaker 1: you are so passionate about food and you love to
Speaker 1: cook and stuff like that?
Speaker 2: I think the one thing that I would expect more
Speaker 2: right is when we're out eating something nice, right? Yes.
Speaker 2: The person wouldn't be just sitting there like taking a
Speaker 2: step back and say, okay, that's not bad. Like what,
Speaker 2: what do you like about what do you like about it?
Speaker 2: It's like eating that, sorry. Okay, then we bring them,
Speaker 2: I bring like people to like the best, which is
Speaker 2: like by the way, I'm not
Speaker 1: actually tried it. Okay, so good, so good.
Speaker 2: So I have friends who like go there and then
Speaker 2: they take a sip and then they're like,
Speaker 2: okay, so this is like the, that you see, you
Speaker 2: know the black color instantly. Like there's so much more
Speaker 2: you appreciate, appreciate, appreciate. It's like when you bring someone
Speaker 2: to a sushi restaurant and they said, ok, then bring
Speaker 2: into one in Japan, they're like, okay, like Singapore? It's
Speaker 2: like Singapore like
Speaker 1: basically people who don't have much opinions when it comes
Speaker 1: to
Speaker 2: it's nice or not myself. Like, you know, there are
Speaker 2: layers that complexity, can understand
Speaker 1: that? I can honestly see it, like, radiating from him
Speaker 1: right now. Like, you would be so upset if you
Speaker 1: brought somebody to your favorite restaurant and that person didn't
Speaker 1: quite appreciate it the same way as you. Okay, okay, so,
Speaker 1: common appreciation for food is more important for you
Speaker 2: rather than cooking. I mean if you understand the cooking
Speaker 2: process behind it, right? How the textures are incorporated into it,
Speaker 2: how the flavors are incorporated into it. Yes, I think
Speaker 2: that is
Speaker 2: good to have. Yes. Yes, but the main thing is
Speaker 2: to be able to appreciate food as food is.
Speaker 1: So, here's the question because it's really interesting because you
Speaker 1: are you're a guy that loves to cook and appreciates
Speaker 1: food as well and you know, at the same time
Speaker 1: there's always been this societal pressure for us girls and
Speaker 1: women to be a little bit more skillful in the kitchen, right?
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that
Speaker 1: it sounds a bit sexist to say that, but you know,
Speaker 1: there are all these stereotypes you see in the movies
Speaker 1: and in shows, I don't know for like ages now
Speaker 1: for years and years and years
Speaker 1: that the woman of the house is always expected to
Speaker 1: like whip up a full like, I don't know, it
Speaker 1: cost me like the end of the day, you know,
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff? Right. What are your thoughts on this? Like,
Speaker 1: have you ever experienced that in real life, witnessed that
Speaker 1: scene that I don't know.
Speaker 2: Do you feel that way though? Like, do you feel
Speaker 2: that you have to do that? You
Speaker 1: know, actually luckily for me? No, I in fact, in
Speaker 1: fact prior to the pandemic and to the lockdown and
Speaker 1: all that and the circuit breaker. All right. If I
Speaker 1: could use my kitchen to store my clothes and my shoes,
Speaker 1: I wear it, I'm serious. If I could use it
Speaker 1: as a storage place, I would, you know, like, I
Speaker 1: would not even know how to do basic things. I mean,
Speaker 1: aside from instant noodles and fighting, I mean that is,
Speaker 1: that is a given. I would be able to do
Speaker 1: that just for pure survival back then when
Speaker 1: I was in school and my parents were not home,
Speaker 1: obviously I got to do something right. And that was
Speaker 1: my happiest time because I get to eat instant noodles
Speaker 1: with an egg. But I think, you know, over the
Speaker 1: course of the circuit breaker, you realize you can't dine out, right?
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people became like self proclaimed chefs.
Speaker 1: I was one of them,
Speaker 1: I experimented experimented, you know, I cook the stuff that
Speaker 1: I like to eat while I'm out. You know, things
Speaker 1: that I couldn't exactly get from
Speaker 1: like mom's cooking and stuff, even though that's always an
Speaker 1: excellent choice so that it was only through that, that
Speaker 1: I learned how to cook a bit more admittedly I
Speaker 1: just follow online recipes. That's right, but
Speaker 1: not exactly. So now that things have gotten a little
Speaker 1: bit busier, right? I'm I'm sad to admit that I
Speaker 1: have kind of abandoned the kitchen a little bit, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm back to reconsidering it as a storage area,
Speaker 2: but I've never felt that expectation to,
Speaker 2: I must be able to cook somewhere. So
Speaker 1: no, not really. I don't know. I mean, thanks mom
Speaker 1: and dad for not having the expectation on me. You know,
Speaker 1: my mom honestly like she cooked for me my entire life.
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to admit it. You know, a lot
Speaker 1: of us are very fortunate to have parents who do
Speaker 1: that right as well and we're very grateful for that.
Speaker 1: I guess it just wasn't a natural inclination or interest
Speaker 1: that I had. Like I love to eat. That's one thing.
Speaker 1: But I also never really had a boyfriend that would
Speaker 1: expect me to cook for him though.
Speaker 2: That's great. That's great. That's great. I mean
Speaker 2: as much as it is the expectation of from society, right,
Speaker 2: that goes to cook. I think it's important that the
Speaker 2: partner doesn't impose their expectation. Also, it's like
Speaker 2: when I'm sick, I don't expect someone to cook for me,
Speaker 2: I will go to the market. I would like make
Speaker 2: something for myself, right? I think it's a bit unfair
Speaker 2: to just put on your partner a marriageable material, that
Speaker 2: sort of thing. Like a like a big factor factor.
Speaker 2: Like if I'm sick you must cook for me, right?
Speaker 2: So entitled. I don't understand that.
Speaker 1: So basically you're like the perfect guy, love for anyone
Speaker 1: who's tuning right now and who would like someone who
Speaker 1: has not much expectations in cooking.
Speaker 1: He's it He's it. Also
Speaker 2: because also because because I spill some tea. What when
Speaker 2: my mom was talking to me someday somehow? Like, I
Speaker 2: think last year, something like that
Speaker 2: next time, right? If you've got a girlfriend right, you
Speaker 2: get a family of your own er they're quite good
Speaker 2: life on it. Don't cook, don't do chores because all
Speaker 2: these things, right? My mom has trained me from young
Speaker 2: to do it. I started cooking at like secondary school.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's how you started I started young because of
Speaker 2: my grandma because of my mother. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think there's this quote right by Marco Pierre White.
Speaker 2: This is like behind every cook is a childhood growing
Speaker 2: up with
Speaker 2: mom that cooks or that that cooks interesting.
Speaker 1: What was the first dish that you learn how to cook?
Speaker 1: Do you remember
Speaker 2: fries? Okay. Leftover rice? Right, and just just right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And what then sparked off your interest to continue because
Speaker 1: some people do it just because they have to,
Speaker 1: you know Phil themselves or like just eat, but you
Speaker 1: obviously carried on and it became a career for you
Speaker 1: and your mom proud. Like, your grandma,
Speaker 2: my mom's more confused and like how I ended up here.
Speaker 2: Why suddenly you are cooking in front of the camera
Speaker 2: you made a career for? Yeah. Yeah, that's, I mean
Speaker 2: that's what I do now. So I always say it's
Speaker 2: a huge thanksgiving is a huge privilege, right? Do we
Speaker 2: have to like cook without anyone's expectations just for work?
Speaker 2: So I felt like I was in the kitchen for work.
Speaker 2: I'm okay. And like every day, every other day when
Speaker 2: we're shooting. Yes.
Speaker 2: And that's a good thing because you're like chefs, right,
Speaker 2: hawkers out there. They could and people be like
Speaker 2: while your food not nice one and then they will
Speaker 2: go and bash you. But I cook for my colleagues
Speaker 2: that they cannot be not nice. It's not nice. Your
Speaker 2: they are forced to say that. So I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna expectations I can cook, I can like pace myself.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like a meditative process, your food. Smr
Speaker 2: Yes. On instinct
Speaker 1: crunches. I don't find it very meditative. In fact, the
Speaker 1: prep part is the part that I hate the most
Speaker 1: even bought this garlic cutter. Right? This okay. Why do
Speaker 1: you have that face? Just a nice. Okay, so, so
Speaker 1: it's basically this contraption that my friend got from me
Speaker 1: because he knows that I'm lazy. It's like a container. Okay.
Speaker 1: Imagine like a plastic container, but inside there are blades
Speaker 1: on the cap.
Speaker 1: Then you close the cap of the container, then there's
Speaker 1: a string here outside with a little handle that pull
Speaker 1: and then the blade goes like this and then the
Speaker 1: garlic cuts by itself.
Speaker 2: So it's like a manual blender. It's a manual blender blender.
Speaker 1: It's a manual
Speaker 1: actually. Now that he says it that way is a
Speaker 1: manual blender sounds kind of lame love but it should
Speaker 1: be okay but it's not as hardcore as a blender.
Speaker 1: So if I want the garlic to be chunkier can
Speaker 1: control it. But if it's a blender I'm like it's
Speaker 1: gone into. Yeah exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: See genius. Right. How do you use
Speaker 2: that or No, no. I like the sound of the
Speaker 2: knife against the ball. Right.
Speaker 1: Right. That cannot relate. Okay like that. Okay. So would
Speaker 1: you then agree with this statement? The way to a
Speaker 1: man's heart is through his stomach? Do you agree with that?
Speaker 1: I think the way to anyone's heart really? So
Speaker 2: a lot of my friends are getting married right at
Speaker 2: this age so one of the I just asked this
Speaker 2: question to them just the other day, what can your
Speaker 2: wife cook because they're going to move in together? Right
Speaker 2: well then you
Speaker 1: ask that question
Speaker 2: Because your housewarming, right, do you want me to like
Speaker 2: do you want me to cook potluck or anything or
Speaker 2: is your wife going to cook something for the family?
Speaker 2: And are you guys going to cook some? Not just
Speaker 2: your wife. Just reflect me 11 text which is Maggie.
Speaker 1: No really Maggie during I love it. It's
Speaker 2: just Maggie. Okay. Mr Noodle's right to that question. Right?
Speaker 2: Not all guys would require that. Yes.
Speaker 2: I think it's always good to have to know that
Speaker 2: you don't have to eat take out porridge when you're sick,
Speaker 2: you don't have to fast over like or do I
Speaker 2: have can I like
Speaker 2: Eat all these simple food but I got to spend
Speaker 2: it for $5 on it. Yes and I have to
Speaker 2: take the effort to like spend extra for grab just
Speaker 2: take the effort to go down and buy what I
Speaker 2: can do at home. But
Speaker 1: if I go down if I if I take transportation
Speaker 1: to go to the supermarket and I buy the ingredients
Speaker 1: and transported to go back,
Speaker 1: do you think will all add up to be like
Speaker 1: kind of the same
Speaker 2: nowhere if you're sick, you don't know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like
Speaker 1: Okay I mean that's provided I'm sick like aside from
Speaker 1: that you know like that that's why sometimes I just
Speaker 1: opt to to like empower or to order in because
Speaker 1: I think of the effort that I have to go
Speaker 1: through
Speaker 1: to get the ingredients and all that and it kind
Speaker 1: of I don't know it kind of bums me out
Speaker 1: sometimes the process the process,
Speaker 2: it's always we always say it's the journey and the
Speaker 2: people that you go on the journey with rather than
Speaker 2: the destination, Is that
Speaker 1: google? Like cheesy quotes before you go to the
Speaker 2: podcast usually comes to it?
Speaker 1: That's it. Okay, so you just have cheesy quotes here
Speaker 2: just all the time. Okay.
Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, it's interesting because some studies
Speaker 1: also show that we have certain neurons like in our
Speaker 1: stomach area where yeah, so that's why, you know, you
Speaker 1: eat when you're emotional, do you sometimes feel that we're
Speaker 1: like when you're upset or angry, like angry? Oh, sorry,
Speaker 2: you don't eat like when you're busy or you're angry
Speaker 2: and you're like, why don't you just do my thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah. Something along those lines. Or when you're upset, then
Speaker 1: you eat more like, you know, ice cream. I don't
Speaker 1: know what you eat when you're set. What do you,
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying. I
Speaker 2: just had, I'm like, okay, just like, just like a kid.
Speaker 1: He's an interesting specimen of a man. Okay. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: that's why, you know, I don't know whether sometimes when like,
Speaker 1: you know, you see your partner cooked like as a
Speaker 1: labor of love almost and you're like, wow, this is
Speaker 1: so good. It makes you happy. And then there's like
Speaker 1: a bond that
Speaker 1: maybe brings you closer in a way,
Speaker 2: especially if you guys do it in the kitchen together.
Speaker 2: You know, like the cheesy movie scenes, right? They take
Speaker 2: the cake together, They throw the fly each other? My gosh,
Speaker 2: that
Speaker 1: is so by the way, impractical. Like who cleans up
Speaker 1: the flood after that? Do you ever wonder? They're just like, yeah, exactly. Right.
Speaker 1: Like cut scene. So, so for you, you would cook
Speaker 1: with your partner in the kitchen like as an activity
Speaker 2: as a couple. If the partner is capable enough.
Speaker 2: What? It's not very, it's not coming to find trouble
Speaker 1: only. That's true. That's true. I chased everyone out of
Speaker 1: the kitchen
Speaker 2: so don't touch this. Alright, recently I watched his enemy.
Speaker 2: So this is like my enemy in that part coming out.
Speaker 2: So
Speaker 2: there's this anyway, it's called and then there's like this
Speaker 2: thing that the guy do that's like his special power.
Speaker 2: So he gets to create a domain for himself. So
Speaker 2: it's basically like domain expansion and then everything in there
Speaker 2: reflects him. Okay. That's like me in my kitchen. Okay.
Speaker 1: I see. Okay. Okay. So nobody can come and like
Speaker 1: chop your business. Like
Speaker 2: don't come in. I'm doing my own thing and then
Speaker 2: you come here and take water. I think I think
Speaker 2: just just just just can't
Speaker 1: even come in and take drinks.
Speaker 2: I think I'll take you to send that I serve yourself.
Speaker 2: You never mind the mind cooking Ready? It's okay. It's okay.
Speaker 1: What else is your, what else are some of your
Speaker 1: pet peeves in the kitchen and
Speaker 2: um I just kind of hit a red kitchen. Okay,
Speaker 2: like things that are on the table or table on the,
Speaker 2: in the sink. I don't like the message? But
Speaker 1: the sink is meant to be wet though.
Speaker 2: Just clean up or just dry it up. So all
Speaker 2: my shoots, right. I always have a towel in my
Speaker 2: pocket just in case and you clean things up clean
Speaker 2: messes up or like wipe my hands dry something because
Speaker 2: if your hands are slippery, you can hold the panorama.
Speaker 2: You cannot toss the property market.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: I think we cannot be in the same kitchen for me.
Speaker 1: Everything is an organized mess, like everything is all over
Speaker 1: the place, but I know where certain things are. I
Speaker 1: was curious to know. Have you ever had a fight with,
Speaker 1: I don't know, being a partner or family member, whoever
Speaker 1: because of something that happened that's in the kitchen or
Speaker 1: cooking related
Speaker 2: or food related Julio's school me because I
Speaker 2: and ambitious sometimes I don't like some pilot one big
Speaker 2: pot of food, some was undercooked like
Speaker 2: multiple. So small, so small things that adds up to
Speaker 2: like one big thing. So when I fry the rest
Speaker 2: of our vegetables, ok. I would always like make the
Speaker 2: stem of the mushrooms means all minister. So everything must
Speaker 2: have different textures. Right? When you cook, you must have
Speaker 2: fun way to cook. So like there are certain layers
Speaker 2: that you have to do it. Okay, so there's me
Speaker 2: kicking out, right? So
Speaker 2: mushroom has to be sliced have to be mean. So
Speaker 2: stem has to be means
Speaker 2: the top has to be sliced and then you've got
Speaker 2: to wash your vegetables, your garlic, right? And, and I
Speaker 2: think there's a key trick that a lot of people
Speaker 2: don't know. You cannot just like means your garlic. You
Speaker 2: use
Speaker 1: a blender, you use use
Speaker 2: a manual, you have to cut them into like equal slices,
Speaker 2: equal for equal chunks and equal slices because it cooks
Speaker 2: evenly and then you don't like burn some and then
Speaker 2: undercooked the others. So that's like for the garlic and
Speaker 2: then that's what we'll do, right? Is that our shredded ginger? Yes,
Speaker 2: I'll deep fry them first, Take it out and I
Speaker 2: use them as your topping thing. Yes, Yes. So it's
Speaker 2: falling on issues of all that, right?
Speaker 2: You get the crunchiness from the ginger, you'll get a
Speaker 2: fragrance from the mushrooms, you get a freshness from the
Speaker 2: vegetables and then whichever sources inside you just amplified anti additional, wow,
Speaker 1: this guy imperial treasure, please hire him. I mean seriously,
Speaker 1: you sound like you just without a meal that you
Speaker 1: can find that like crystal jade palace or
Speaker 2: it's a simple surprise ideas. So I was saying everything
Speaker 2: adds up. So with all these different steps, right? There
Speaker 2: will be a
Speaker 2: complete dish will be a complete, there'll also be a
Speaker 2: complete mess in the sink.
Speaker 1: Yes. Yes, I understand what you mean.
Speaker 2: So people usually find me over there. I see why
Speaker 2: this is so cluttered. I'm like, I can't do everything
Speaker 2: at once. You let me do dish, I do that
Speaker 1: once you have assistance, you basically get someone like anyone
Speaker 1: who's willing to help you wash the dishes while you
Speaker 1: move along.
Speaker 2: My sister tend to do that much after that time
Speaker 2: you okay? I
Speaker 1: think everyone's too scared to come into your den when
Speaker 1: you just
Speaker 2: let me do my thing, just keep doing your
Speaker 1: thing. That's really, that's really interesting because you know when
Speaker 1: it comes down to our sacred place, right? Or place
Speaker 1: where we focus on our work and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: you often just don't want distractions and you don't want
Speaker 1: people to come in all that if you were to
Speaker 1: meet someone and she doesn't even know how to cook
Speaker 1: an egg or,
Speaker 1: or incidentals or whatever, would that be a huge problem
Speaker 1: for you? It would be wouldn't speak to this person's character.
Speaker 1: You think? I think,
Speaker 2: I think it's
Speaker 2: okay. So there's a couple of ways to look at it, right?
Speaker 2: The first way that I see is like the inherent
Speaker 2: fear of the kitchen. Okay. Some of my friends have that.
Speaker 2: They're like the kitchen. I got fire. I don't burn myself.
Speaker 2: And then when they look at my oil burns, right?
Speaker 2: When I deep fry things like that. But do you
Speaker 2: have any left? Not, not there, there are huge, but
Speaker 2: they are all over the place last time. Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I'm like, but if you want to cook,
Speaker 2: you've got to, you've got to learn to do it.
Speaker 2: And then they're like, I don't want to I don't
Speaker 2: want to splash on my skin. I don't you already
Speaker 2: find especially, and then you then you see like, people
Speaker 2: taking the spotlight that's like you and like over there,
Speaker 2: then when they go to near the eggs already burdened,
Speaker 2: that's all I see. I see.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, so that's that's one of the inherent fear
Speaker 2: of the heat of the oil the kitchen. And I
Speaker 2: think not a lot of people have exposure to that
Speaker 2: when they were young and that's why when they're a
Speaker 2: bit older, right? It can be intimidating, gets tougher. And
Speaker 2: the second one is that I just want to learn
Speaker 2: that I can just stop our people can do it
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 2: I think that's a very entitled mentality.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. I understand. So you think that
Speaker 1: say this person's um inability or rather, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: this person just doesn't want to learn how to make
Speaker 1: simple things. That is sort of very telling of this
Speaker 1: person's character.
Speaker 2: It is okay. But then again, there's also the convenience
Speaker 2: expected that you were saying about just now whether the
Speaker 2: whole effort of going down to the
Speaker 2: supermarket shopping, grocery list, coming back, preparing cooking washing up.
Speaker 2: Is it really worth it?
Speaker 1: Different ways to see it. There are different ways to
Speaker 1: see it. Yeah. I mean, when it comes to the
Speaker 1: five love languages cooking would fall under, like, except that
Speaker 1: I was going to say that. So I guess that
Speaker 1: would be all part of it as well. We all
Speaker 1: play a part two. Yeah. But I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: it is very telling of somebody's character in a way, right?
Speaker 1: Because
Speaker 1: I used to have someone that I dated by the way,
Speaker 1: who would leave all this stuff to his helpers. So
Speaker 1: he wouldn't, he would barely like do a thing in
Speaker 1: the kitchen and stuff, right? And the helpers actually put
Speaker 1: in a lot of effort to make, even like, you know,
Speaker 1: like Mexico ring or this kind of simple meal, a
Speaker 1: simple meal that becomes very extravagant.
Speaker 1: Like you've got all kinds of toppings that you mentioned
Speaker 1: and you know, you just don't stop at the seasoning
Speaker 1: and the noodles. You put like you put, you put
Speaker 1: vegetables and I was like, wow. Like, I never thought
Speaker 1: I would appreciate that so much. You know, when you
Speaker 1: see until you see how much effort goes into it, right?
Speaker 1: I think that's the main point of it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it is, it is, and if you're, if you're able
Speaker 2: to cook and I think it goes more than a
Speaker 2: life skill now. Yes, it's really how much it's just
Speaker 2: a way to show appreciation, show love to your partner
Speaker 2: who feels love the same way that yes, in that.
Speaker 2: So there are times right there where I cook for
Speaker 2: my friends
Speaker 2: and then they're like, okay, thanks.
Speaker 2: They just, they don't appreciate enough that they don't have,
Speaker 2: they don't have to like oh your food so good.
Speaker 2: I love it. You just have to just be slightly
Speaker 2: a bit more appreciative to me than to a hawker.
Speaker 2: I hope your friends are
Speaker 1: watching right now.
Speaker 2: So it's very different. Right? Like you go to Taiwan story,
Speaker 2: would you like to make one
Speaker 2: one minute or one vegetable? Whatever you think the same
Speaker 2: way they said to me
Speaker 1: so you're the become
Speaker 2: the sovereignty but I cook for you and your friend
Speaker 2: and then I think you know maybe
Speaker 1: it will help if you call them cycle menu
Speaker 2: then I will become a
Speaker 2: success that this was the one that I always tell
Speaker 2: my friends. I always said a man you could for
Speaker 2: work sometimes you want to cook for us and like
Speaker 2: you're buying ingredients are actually good for you. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: don't think that
Speaker 1: nobody wants to take you see is the hassle is
Speaker 1: that going down the supermarket
Speaker 1: buying everything? But if there's one thing I'm just curious
Speaker 1: if there's one thing that you tap out or order
Speaker 1: in what would it be because mine is very straightforward.
Speaker 1: Order Subway and I order something that I think people
Speaker 1: won't really usually order, it's the veggie sub,
Speaker 1: it's the stuff with all veggies inside when I want something.
Speaker 1: Yeah sometimes not even veggie patty, just vegetables because I
Speaker 1: just want something lighter. Healthier. You know the sweet onion sauce,
Speaker 1: stuff like that. just nice and light
Speaker 2: lots of the salad
Speaker 1: right? Yeah. Yeah but I want the bread and then
Speaker 1: you put the salad in the bread done.
Speaker 1: It's not bad. How about you? What do you usually order?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would probably get things that I can never
Speaker 2: do it in the kitchen.
Speaker 2: So things like that.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay. Things like like
Speaker 1: sushi or any other specific
Speaker 2: specific cuisines like Vietnamese cuisine can never replicate it. So
Speaker 2: things like that. I would probably things that I can
Speaker 2: never do it at home. I think the thing about
Speaker 2: cooking is that I was I was saying
Speaker 2: adjusting flavors to your liking. You don't have to
Speaker 2: it's quite sweet. Imagine somebody knows your exact double the
Speaker 2: order and in the same way knows exactly
Speaker 2: kind of cooking styles kind of ingredients that you like
Speaker 2: what you're allergic to, what you cannot eat.
Speaker 2: So I have this friend very recently I think it's
Speaker 2: just two days ago I was like bro, you can
Speaker 2: help me order anything like anything that either because of
Speaker 2: the camera and I'm very lazy, you just have to
Speaker 2: order
Speaker 2: then. Right?
Speaker 2: Oh so I'm like those intolerant. So there's two instances
Speaker 2: of this happening, Same guy. Okay, I'm like bro, just
Speaker 2: order anything first time right? He came in with carbonara. No,
Speaker 1: and then I look at the milky is like the creamiest,
Speaker 2: you're the one for himself. So he ordered for me
Speaker 2: putting bro
Speaker 2: you think you can finish two portion of why you
Speaker 2: don't like them. Like it's not I don't like I
Speaker 2: cannot I cannot fellows are so apologetic and in their mind.
Speaker 2: So that was the person the more recent.
Speaker 1: Okay
Speaker 2: came back
Speaker 2: Salted egg Chicken. They're like bro, this one.
Speaker 2: Okay, slowly getting there getting the memo already like maybe
Speaker 2: like just different chicken. Okay. It's quite funny. But when
Speaker 2: somebody knows like the exact order that I would like
Speaker 2: if I go there and be like and then they
Speaker 2: know like the economic and then bring home. It's so sweet.
Speaker 2: So
Speaker 1: that's the way to your heart knowing your exact order,
Speaker 1: the exact order. Not ordering anything milk or cream based
Speaker 1: on how
Speaker 2: much to put a stop to it. Especially at home, right?
Speaker 2: We'll be able to cater to your partners like
Speaker 1: okay. I agree, I agree. But I mean when when
Speaker 1: you do that, let's say at home when you're like
Speaker 1: doing your own little things or cooking for your partner
Speaker 1: and all that. Has there ever been a moment where
Speaker 1: like
Speaker 1: a mishap happened in the kitchen? I mean you've shared
Speaker 1: your mishap about these ordering things when it comes to
Speaker 1: your friends but like has anything funny or embarrassing ever happened?
Speaker 1: Like let's say when you're preparing something for someone you
Speaker 1: like or your family or whatever.
Speaker 1: I have a story to share but you go first
Speaker 1: if you have any.
Speaker 2: I think when I try to cook my family always
Speaker 2: go for the more foolproof dishes okay. Things that, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm sure everybody would like on the most if you
Speaker 2: don't like them, you know? Yeah. But I think there
Speaker 2: was this one time that either like salt too much
Speaker 2: pepper too much. Okay. And then like
Speaker 2: when you think that you seasoned nicely where you think
Speaker 2: you did your best for people that you love, right?
Speaker 2: And then you serve them something that comes from the
Speaker 2: heart and then they said,
Speaker 2: so salty and
Speaker 1: I tell you asian families don't mince their words. No,
Speaker 1: just like straight up say it, right? Yeah, Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like
Speaker 2: really? That is your like sometimes a bit salty and
Speaker 2: they're like,
Speaker 2: okay, you're right, you're right. Okay. Yeah. But it hurts
Speaker 2: it when that happens. I
Speaker 1: have a I have an even more ridiculous story. So
Speaker 1: it's nothing to do with me cooking per se.
Speaker 1: It was actually in regards to what happened leading up
Speaker 1: to it. Okay. So I'm not sure whether you cook
Speaker 1: seafood very much or do you cook like uni pasta,
Speaker 1: This kind of stuff. Have you tried making
Speaker 2: Okay,
Speaker 1: Okay. I mean close enough, Right. And then sometimes you
Speaker 1: just want to fancy it up a little bit, you
Speaker 1: put like honey on top or I don't care if
Speaker 1: you're in the mood. Right?
Speaker 1: So I remember this. So clearly I had a friend
Speaker 1: who actually runs like a seafood, she does a bit
Speaker 1: of a seafood business thing, I think it's a family
Speaker 1: business and she's trying to promote like unity because it
Speaker 1: was the season. So she was like, hey man, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I want to send you a box of
Speaker 1: money just to thank you for your, for your friendship,
Speaker 1: like go and enjoy with your family. Right? So say, okay, cool.
Speaker 1: So I decided half of it we're going to enjoy like,
Speaker 1: you know, just on its own.
Speaker 1: And then I wanted to experiment a little bit with
Speaker 1: with it for like uni pasta, okay and needs some
Speaker 1: of that for like the base and all right. So
Speaker 1: the shipment of this arrived when I wasn't at home.
Speaker 1: So my boyfriend was at home to accept it.
Speaker 1: So I said, okay, can you look inside, see whatever
Speaker 1: needs freezing and what needs refrigeration.
Speaker 1: But this guy put everything into the freezer,
Speaker 1: so he put it in the freezer, all the raw
Speaker 1: stuff that was meant to eat as sashimi, he put
Speaker 1: it into the freezer thinking that he did the right thing.
Speaker 1: So honestly he didn't think that he did anything wrong.
Speaker 1: He was like, he was like, okay, I did, I
Speaker 1: was told, okay, thanks, thanks. You know, like all good,
Speaker 1: all good, all under control. So I was like, I
Speaker 1: was like, all good, no, I was like, I was
Speaker 1: so happy.
Speaker 1: I went back and I was like ready to make
Speaker 1: the meal and all. And I was like, where's the,
Speaker 1: where's the stuff?
Speaker 1: And he goes in the freezer like you said. And
Speaker 1: I was like, not everything is supposed to go into
Speaker 1: the freezer, only the stuff that says the, the stuff
Speaker 1: seems to be consumed, like, especially you can't put it
Speaker 1: into the freezer and all that. So true enough, when
Speaker 1: I took it out, I couldn't save the uni anymore.
Speaker 1: I was trying to like, give it cpr, give it everything,
Speaker 1: It wouldn't work because you know the moment you take
Speaker 1: only out of the freezer, the icicles have formed inside
Speaker 1: and then it becomes mush, Just f Y I boyfriends husbands, whoever,
Speaker 1: if you're at home about to accept a shipment of
Speaker 1: raw stuff was me, please consult the person that put
Speaker 1: in the order first. I think that's very important to
Speaker 1: go inside that not everything can go inside there. So
Speaker 1: I think he was so scared of me for like
Speaker 1: one day or so he was like dipping his toes
Speaker 1: around because he was like, like, cause I just throw
Speaker 1: everything away was not really edible anymore. By the time
Speaker 1: I tried to defrost it and then I tried to
Speaker 1: pat down the water, but it just became mush. So
Speaker 1: I tried to make it into the pastor sauce, but
Speaker 1: tastes a bit funny. So I was like so sad. Right?
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my God dejected. And he was
Speaker 1: so scared of me for like a day, but you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not not
Speaker 2: anymore anymore. Imagine if he can cook right? I think
Speaker 2: that he would come up with ways to get together
Speaker 2: with you, would you have preferred it or in a
Speaker 2: partner which have preferred if they know how to cook.
Speaker 1: Okay, so presently my current partner knows how to cook
Speaker 1: one thing
Speaker 1: steak. That's it. Yeah, yeah, so he does a good steak,
Speaker 1: everything else. I mean he knows how to make certain things,
Speaker 1: but I think he's just so busy that he doesn't
Speaker 1: have the luxury of time to do that and it's
Speaker 1: the washing up part that kills really, it's not the
Speaker 1: cooking part. Honestly, if I have the time and I'm
Speaker 1: in the right headspace, I actually enjoy it. But the
Speaker 1: thought of, you know, having to prep and then wash
Speaker 1: after that, that's the part that really kills so for him.
Speaker 1: I mean I obviously didn't, I don't expect anything out
Speaker 1: of my partner in terms of like cooking or kitchen
Speaker 1: or chores, but when it comes to cooking, I think,
Speaker 1: you know, once in a blue moon I get to
Speaker 1: enjoy the steak. Yeah, but it's really once in a
Speaker 1: blue moon terms
Speaker 2: ramp it up and I think this is one of
Speaker 2: my biggest love length
Speaker 2: language right?
Speaker 1: Love lang
Speaker 2: lang lang love
Speaker 1: lang I think we gathered quite a bit of vocabulary
Speaker 1: from
Speaker 2: member today. Yeah, because one of my love language, I
Speaker 2: like moore in the primary love language that show affection.
Speaker 2: So I would like that and I think I receive
Speaker 2: affection by that also in anyway. Right. Yeah. I think
Speaker 2: cooking is just one part
Speaker 2: of course it's one
Speaker 1: facet, it's not the whole thing, it's just one component
Speaker 1: to mandarin's heart.
Speaker 2: I mean if you can buy a society for me
Speaker 2: on grab food, I don't mind. You know
Speaker 1: you're an S. A person. Is that what you order
Speaker 1: most of the time? Because you can't exactly like make,
Speaker 1: I mean you can if you yeah, I know exactly
Speaker 1: what message are you
Speaker 2: really just order?
Speaker 1: All done right, basically. So so how often then do
Speaker 1: you order food? Because I mean some stats show that
Speaker 1: at least 60% of Singaporeans order food like four times
Speaker 1: a week. That's that's quite a lot. I mean I
Speaker 1: think I'm actually one of them, I just ordered one
Speaker 1: time me for for lunch. So yeah you do you
Speaker 1: order a lot of the time you cook a lot
Speaker 1: for your family. But
Speaker 1: times when you're just alone
Speaker 2: I think I would order it even remember a loner,
Speaker 2: I was just like
Speaker 2: walk out and
Speaker 2: rather than, yeah, so they eat out on the ordering
Speaker 2: numbers right? I think it's usually during occasions. Okay so
Speaker 2: like reunion dinner. I'm not going to cook at all.
Speaker 1: Better not manly, there would be too much to do.
Speaker 1: You have to do all kinds of stuff so
Speaker 2: we met so occasions I wouldn't cook times when I'm alone.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't cook also. Yeah, unless I'm in the mood
Speaker 2: for Maggie which really happens because Really? Yeah, really? Maggie
Speaker 2: had Maggie face already so like every 23 days of
Speaker 2: the craving for the chicken abalone to create for the
Speaker 2: Tommy and that sort of thing. But not anymore. It's
Speaker 2: over when I realized that I can. So
Speaker 2: another factor Of course. Yeah. I'm all for the hacks rice. Yes,
Speaker 2: you're just like
Speaker 2: Cantonese, Cantonese congee. That's like super, super, super smooth. Right?
Speaker 2: The easiest way to do it now that I realized
Speaker 2: recently this is mind blowing it. Tell me you take
Speaker 2: the rice and then after you take a cup of rice, right?
Speaker 2: Put it in the blender. Sorry, like cooked rice. No,
Speaker 2: like uncooked rice, rice, like
Speaker 2: uncooked uncooked rice. Put in a blender. Not the menu.
Speaker 2: I don't think
Speaker 1: I appreciate the photo
Speaker 2: with. It's alright. You blend it all simply so it
Speaker 2: becomes like super super, super, super fine like powder,
Speaker 2: almost like powder, but you can see like very tiny greens.
Speaker 2: All right. So imagine one grain of rice, right? If
Speaker 2: you break it down to six parts, that's the kind
Speaker 2: of consistency you're looking for and you pull it back out,
Speaker 2: you're gonna wash the rice so you just remove all
Speaker 2: the excess starch
Speaker 2: and then you just add however much water you need
Speaker 2: and then just let it simmer, let's cook.
Speaker 2: So you don't have rice greens, you have like rice
Speaker 2: shots have been cooked too much already. That's how they
Speaker 2: achieve that the traditional way. They just keep stare, accusing, accusing, accusing,
Speaker 1: but this is a heck like this makes it faster.
Speaker 1: So then in that case, I mean before we wrap
Speaker 1: things up and I let you go very soon
Speaker 1: um in a relationship, let's just say, you know, would
Speaker 1: you then hope for your partner to like learn these
Speaker 1: things from you? Like be it hacks or be it
Speaker 1: recipes that you've done before, things that you've cooked before.
Speaker 1: Would it be nice if you had a partner to,
Speaker 1: who would also be keen on doing
Speaker 2: that? It would, it would be, it would be, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's like
Speaker 2: a time that you spend together. Like there are times
Speaker 2: that I want to be alone, but there are times that,
Speaker 2: I mean if I have a partner, right,
Speaker 2: why not do it together, why not learn it together?
Speaker 2: And I think it's exciting to do it together. It's
Speaker 2: like when my friends want to learn to bake, I
Speaker 2: can cook, I can pick for nuts. Yeah, me neither. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So whenever you do the whole baking process together, it's
Speaker 2: fun and you take the brownie, you think like everything
Speaker 2: you put in the oven together and pray for the
Speaker 2: best in the same way, right? There's always that
Speaker 2: building of intimacy kind of states that they can't process
Speaker 2: that I appreciate from cooking.
Speaker 2: Especially when I cook with my friends at work. I
Speaker 2: mean we established that bond and then memories can be
Speaker 2: made also times that you burned the burned the grandpa.
Speaker 1: There have been several times like
Speaker 2: many, many times. Yeah. And then the times that so
Speaker 2: all these times I've become memories and I think as
Speaker 2: much as the space for being alone in the kitchen, right?
Speaker 2: I think there's also space for another person with a
Speaker 2: bigger kitchen. Yes. Yes.
Speaker 1: Is that a hint like get a bigger kitchen
Speaker 2: kitchen? I'm
Speaker 1: very sure your bosses are watching at this point.
Speaker 1: They're picking up all your hints. So in conclusion today,
Speaker 1: I think we've had a lot of takeaways, ha ha
Speaker 1: pun intended. I talked about a lot of information there
Speaker 1: from our show, but I think, you know, it's interesting
Speaker 1: because that traditional way of seeing things like all the
Speaker 1: woman has to always be in the kitchen prepare food
Speaker 1: and meals when when everyone else comes back home, you
Speaker 1: can just get to sit down and enjoy.
Speaker 1: I think it has progressed and changed over the years
Speaker 1: because a lot of us also have very big work
Speaker 1: commitments now, full time jobs. I don't know, perhaps society
Speaker 1: has changed as well. So expectations have adjusted to and
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of nice to see,
Speaker 1: you know, um the man not not minding picking up
Speaker 1: some of the cooking in the, in the house and
Speaker 1: also being passionate about it. And clearly we are like
Speaker 1: two different people. So he's the one that cooks like
Speaker 1: most of the time and I'm the one ordering in
Speaker 1: most of the time. But
Speaker 1: seriously, you should try the veggies some one day I swear,
Speaker 1: no regrets. Like the next week I'll
Speaker 2: try, I'll try next week. Okay.
Speaker 1: Somebody sent it to him. I stand by my choice
Speaker 1: of the veggies are, is healthy and yummy.
Speaker 2: What
Speaker 2: do you put in all the veggies? Just all registered.
Speaker 2: I
Speaker 1: love yeah. Yes jalapenos. Everything you see once again, different order.
Speaker 1: You can see that he's trying not to judge you
Speaker 2: at my own things inside. Oh is it sounds like
Speaker 2: you want to be a spicy, Just like cut some
Speaker 2: chili party inside. Oh wow. Okay. And then you don't
Speaker 2: buy on the cheap party. I just
Speaker 2: afraid that the capsules inside their spice up the entire,
Speaker 2: that's
Speaker 1: Like 40 men. Like how do you, how do you
Speaker 1: know that you're not going to buy into
Speaker 2: just gonna try just give it a shot. Just give
Speaker 2: it one shot. Okay.
Speaker 1: Okay. What are some of your takeaways from today's podcast
Speaker 1: And I think
Speaker 2: the main thing that I learned is how as you progress, right?
Speaker 2: Things become more accessible. So
Speaker 2: like you don't have to have someone at home
Speaker 2: cooking and waiting for everyone else to come home and
Speaker 2: then like nobody ends sometime now anyway. You can't have
Speaker 2: like six PM everybody come to the table and be like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen anymore.
Speaker 2: Right? So sometimes it might be a lot more convenient
Speaker 2: just to go to right? To be honest. Sometimes I
Speaker 2: would
Speaker 2: in my heart of Hearts, right?
Speaker 2: The days I wish that's how I need to cook
Speaker 2: today after a long day at work. You
Speaker 1: just don't want to do anything. I just
Speaker 2: don't like when you have to go to the right
Speaker 2: and then you gotta think, I gotta think about my
Speaker 2: family like, okay, and you cook for them at six,
Speaker 2: but I'm in the middle of my things now and
Speaker 2: it's 5 50. Like do I drop my things now
Speaker 2: just to go and cook or do I like about
Speaker 2: you all the way and then they have dinner at night.
Speaker 1: So which option wins
Speaker 1: some early one usually.
Speaker 2: So I, I actually got scolded before. It's like, you're
Speaker 2: very important man. Your work cannot wait until tonight. Then
Speaker 2: do one of my deadline's tonight. Also deadline, you don't
Speaker 2: also deadline someone. I'm like, Oh my
Speaker 1: God. Okay. Okay.
Speaker 2: Okay. So nowadays I'll just drop everything and I'm going
Speaker 2: to cook and then after cleaning up and then go
Speaker 2: back to my column and continuing work.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well seriously? Like that's impressive. I don't know how
Speaker 1: you do it.
Speaker 2: That's the toughest part of and I think that's where
Speaker 2: the convenience comes into play like that? There'll be days
Speaker 2: like that. That would be like why don't I just
Speaker 2: order something in from outside and then everybody gets to
Speaker 2: eat something healthy. Yeah. And then I don't have to
Speaker 2: fret over my work. Yeah. Well
Speaker 1: thank you for sharing your thoughts. I mean I feel
Speaker 1: like you needed to get that out also. I think
Speaker 1: your family is watching right now together with
Speaker 2: your boss, like my bosses with my friends right where
Speaker 2: I was going to watch, everyone's
Speaker 1: watching and everyone's going to change their behavior after this
Speaker 1: and they're gonna, you know, not treat you like an
Speaker 1: anti anymore by the way. Lots of love to subway.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being a part of this episode.
Speaker 1: We absolutely will try the veggies up the next time
Speaker 2: I will try to do. So we want to send
Speaker 2: one to me. I thank you and like like you
Speaker 1: Exactly. And show how you like chop chop up your,
Speaker 1: your chili party and put it up as well. No
Speaker 1: mandan, thank you so much for joining us today. Thanks
Speaker 1: for having me and thank you so much for listening
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