WEBVTT - Why Elon Musk called PM Lee about my Tesla car | EP 11

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<v Speaker 1>This is a C N A podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's a fun fact. Do you know how many Tesla

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<v Speaker 1>cars were registered in Singapore in 2012. 1, just one,

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<v Speaker 1>Well, fast forward 10 years later and one in 10

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<v Speaker 1>cars purchased in the first half of 2022 were electric

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<v Speaker 1>vehicles with a total of nearly 1000 teslas now registered here.

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<v Speaker 1>The government has pledged to have all vehicles run on

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<v Speaker 1>cleaner energy by 2040. Efforts to achieve this include incentives

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<v Speaker 1>and rebates as well as building infrastructure to encourage more

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<v Speaker 1>drivers to switch to electric vehicles on the roads.

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<v Speaker 1>But this wasn't always the case. Hello and welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the climate conversations. I'm your host, julie you today. We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna talk about electric cars and my guest is the

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<v Speaker 1>first person to own a Tesla in Singapore from being

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<v Speaker 1>a refugee of the Vietnam war to sinking roots here

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<v Speaker 1>in the Lion City, joe Newman has quite a story.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome, joe. Thanks for joining me. Thanks julie. Glad to

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<v Speaker 1>join the climate conversation. We've had a pretty fascinating and

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly dynamic life to say the least from being a

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<v Speaker 1>refugee from the Vietnam War to graduating from Princeton and

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<v Speaker 1>being the first Tesla owner in Singapore and now the

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<v Speaker 1>president of Tesla owners club here. That's quite a journey.

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<v Speaker 1>And tell us a bit about how you

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<v Speaker 1>ended up here in Singapore. Oh my gosh, how I

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<v Speaker 1>ended up is interesting. I went to America, I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>speak english and this is 1980. I'm 51 years old.

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<v Speaker 1>I lived through the Cold War. I lived through the eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>I studied engineering and I was supposed to be an

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<v Speaker 1>engineer and then I took one year off to go

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<v Speaker 1>to Singapore in 1993 on an exchange program in neon

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<v Speaker 1>polly to be a lecturer. And I came here and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like wait, I don't want to be an engineer.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I got into media,

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<v Speaker 1>that's how I stayed in Singapore. I got married, I

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<v Speaker 1>went into digital and then I got really technical in

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<v Speaker 1>the early days of the dot com era with startups

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff. And then I got into e commerce and

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<v Speaker 1>in the last 10 years or so has been more

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<v Speaker 1>in media as a technologist, I'm a mechanical engineering major

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<v Speaker 1>from one of the top universities. So when electric cars

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<v Speaker 1>came out I'm like okay what is this? What does

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<v Speaker 1>it mean?

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<v Speaker 1>And actually the car that everyone knows me for is

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<v Speaker 1>not the first Tesla on the road, it's the second

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<v Speaker 1>Tesla on the road, the model? S the first Tesla

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<v Speaker 1>is actually Roadster, a bright red Roadster

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<v Speaker 1>that I brought in at the end of 2012, the

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<v Speaker 1>first Tesla registered in Singapore. So why Tesla because when

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<v Speaker 1>Tesla first came out in the U. S. Many thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was going to fail, it's going to go bankrupt.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just a crazy Silicon Valley company trying to

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<v Speaker 1>do the impossible, although now every automaker is trying to

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<v Speaker 1>come up with an electric car, but did you see

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<v Speaker 1>that coming was so exciting about it?

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't necessarily Tesla initially the first one, we understood

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<v Speaker 1>that the performance of a car is just like any

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<v Speaker 1>other car that drives like a normal car, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>much quieter and acceleration is much faster, a lot more fun.

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<v Speaker 1>But as a mechanical engineer makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Electric cars have been around for ages. They're called remote

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<v Speaker 1>controlled toys. Everyone's had them growing up, the little things

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<v Speaker 1>that grow out of, that's an electric car. It is

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<v Speaker 1>that simple, It's got a motor, it's got a battery.

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<v Speaker 1>So the simplicity of it less moving parts and everything

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<v Speaker 1>from a internal combustion engine, which is a normal car.

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<v Speaker 1>What we've done with the internal combustion engine is amazing

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<v Speaker 1>as humans, what we've developed and optimized it to where

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<v Speaker 1>it is,

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<v Speaker 1>but there is a limit as to what we can

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<v Speaker 1>do with an internal combustion engine were exploding fuel, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a mini explosion. You're pumping petrol and you're squirting it

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<v Speaker 1>in there. You're blowing it up, it creates the work

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<v Speaker 1>that drives the car. You look at that, you're like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>what we've done with that. And then you look at

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<v Speaker 1>electric car and you're like, oh, that's so simple, have

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<v Speaker 1>you ever opened up a remote control cars? Because when

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<v Speaker 1>they break and replace the battery and you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's it, there's just a little thing here and then

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<v Speaker 1>there's the battery and then the wheel drive, it's gone.

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<v Speaker 1>So joe take me back to 2015 when you decided

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<v Speaker 1>to import a used Tesla model s from Hong kong.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess what you didn't see coming was tons of

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<v Speaker 1>paperwork and inspections of $15,000 carbon emissions. Surcharge by the

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<v Speaker 1>authorities in Singapore was quite an ordeal, wasn't it? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it was annoying. The first car was quite easy. It

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<v Speaker 1>took a couple months and it was on a different

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<v Speaker 1>scheme and I was 40% off part, which is actually

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<v Speaker 1>quite a decent

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<v Speaker 1>incentive. But by the time it rolled around to 16

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<v Speaker 1>when I got the model s in, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>different scheme and the whole L ta slash viacom and

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<v Speaker 1>all the stuff. They just didn't know what to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm supposed to go for inspection, but they've never seen

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<v Speaker 1>one that never had to deal with one because the

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<v Speaker 1>testbed electric cars that Singapore had went through a different process,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't know what to do.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't have the right equipment even so this incident

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<v Speaker 1>eventually caught the attention of Elon musk who stepped in,

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<v Speaker 1>reached out to Prime Minister lisa and long on the matter.

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<v Speaker 1>What was going through your head then? Well that was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of naughty. That was kind of crazy. I got

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<v Speaker 1>the car in. I need to get on the road.

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<v Speaker 1>It's taking too long. I'm working. I used to fly

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<v Speaker 1>200 days a year. I was busy and then things

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<v Speaker 1>take longer, things like longer and it was just like

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<v Speaker 1>okay by the time the six months in and they

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<v Speaker 1>were like, okay, everything's done except you need to pay

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<v Speaker 1>this penalty

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<v Speaker 1>instead of getting a rebate for having zero emissions. I

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<v Speaker 1>had to pay $20,000 because my car was considered inefficient

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<v Speaker 1>and I argued with him. I wrote and I wrote

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<v Speaker 1>my mps, I did all this stuff and there was

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<v Speaker 1>no resolution. So I'm like, okay, you know what? It's

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<v Speaker 1>seven months just just pay to get on the road.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just pay the fine, got it on the road.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I was talking to a journal, Rock Hill

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<v Speaker 1>and he did a very short piece for tech tv.

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<v Speaker 1>Just sort of outline what happened and it just went viral.

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<v Speaker 1>All the car guys picked it up. Jalopnik picked it

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<v Speaker 1>up and then it became mainstream that by the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the week Elon musk called the prime Minister the

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<v Speaker 1>reason why one, he had the number and to Prime

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<v Speaker 1>Minister had visited Elon musk at the factory and had

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<v Speaker 1>a tour of Tesla

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<v Speaker 1>and so he comes back and then a month later

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<v Speaker 1>he gets a call and apparently again, I'm not in

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<v Speaker 1>the room, but Ellen says like my car is not

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<v Speaker 1>that inefficient. I don't know what, how you guys test,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't about me, it wasn't about the fine, it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't about, it's like my car is not that inefficient.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was

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<v Speaker 1>more upset that the car was tested wrong more than

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<v Speaker 1>anything else. Did you get to talk to Elon musk?

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<v Speaker 1>I've actually been to the gigafactory when they opened the

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<v Speaker 1>one in Utah. I've actually seen him during my travels.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen him in shanghai coming out of the same hotel.

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<v Speaker 1>I was saying

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<v Speaker 1>I see a fleet of Teslas drive up. I'm like

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<v Speaker 1>Tesla and then I'm like, hey what's going on? I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like watching and then security comes and I'm like oh

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<v Speaker 1>big huge guys with sunglasses and then Ellen kind of

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<v Speaker 1>rushes out and I'm like I'm like walking over and

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<v Speaker 1>security guys like uh

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<v Speaker 1>I'm joe from

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<v Speaker 1>So thinking back would you have done the same if

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<v Speaker 1>you know that was going to take that much money

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<v Speaker 1>and time. Oh yeah I knew from the beginning that

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<v Speaker 1>it was going to go that way and it will

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<v Speaker 1>go that way as a technology. I have a longer

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<v Speaker 1>view on some of these things. Electric cars are just

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<v Speaker 1>straight forward. It will maybe it's not 50 years, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's 100 years but it will happen and now it's

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<v Speaker 1>to happen faster whether it's the climate change and everything

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<v Speaker 1>but we can't keep on exploding petrol. There is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a limit somewhere. We need different renewable energy.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to figure out what that is. So I

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<v Speaker 1>guess after your incident followed by the government's start stop

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<v Speaker 1>approach to electro mobility.

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<v Speaker 1>Some prospective E. V. Virus have been staying away. They've

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<v Speaker 1>been feeling unsure about E. V. S future in Singapore

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<v Speaker 1>but fast forward today. What in 10 cars purchased in

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<v Speaker 1>the first half of 22 were electric vehicles? Does this

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<v Speaker 1>come as a surprise to you? What do you think

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<v Speaker 1>triggered that change? Obviously the government policy, I think in

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<v Speaker 1>20

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<v Speaker 1>35 we will stop selling I ce cars here. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's pure internal compassion. There still be hybrids, the battery

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<v Speaker 1>going into a car is happening. Whether it's the only

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<v Speaker 1>thing that powers the car which is the trend or

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<v Speaker 1>there will be a period where there is a mix

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<v Speaker 1>of hybrids and plug in hybrids have always said, Singapore

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<v Speaker 1>is the first and only market that can do this

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<v Speaker 1>in 10 years

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<v Speaker 1>by something called C. O. E. It can phase out

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<v Speaker 1>all cars in 10 years and force new C. O.

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<v Speaker 1>S to be signed on at a different right? So

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<v Speaker 1>of all the countries that could do it, Singapore has

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<v Speaker 1>the legal system and legal ability to actually do it.

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<v Speaker 1>When you say people about Singapore, like it's an ideal

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<v Speaker 1>place for TVs. Why is it not there? It's more

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<v Speaker 1>ideal than Hong kong Hong kong has more Teslas. Why

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<v Speaker 1>is that? Singapore is ideal. It's small and short. You

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<v Speaker 1>have to worry about charging. It can always be connected anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>So when you talk to the other Tesla owners,

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<v Speaker 1>what are the main reasons why people are buying E. V. S.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there's a novelty aspect, there is the branding

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<v Speaker 1>aspect for Tesla in particular

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<v Speaker 1>the environment is a big factor. Money, how much a

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<v Speaker 1>car is? That's the first factor and then okay what

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<v Speaker 1>brand do you want? Why do you want to be

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<v Speaker 1>associated with this brand? Yes, the Tesla brand talks about sustainability,

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<v Speaker 1>talks about sustainable transport. So there is that huge component

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<v Speaker 1>of people buying that into Tessa and then Volvo has one.

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<v Speaker 1>Now obviously that the chinese ones have brought a number

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<v Speaker 1>of them in. There is a lot more selection now

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<v Speaker 1>and then people will start to say okay we're choosing

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<v Speaker 1>electric and so there are choosing electric for those reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously the top brand is currently Tesla that's for a

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<v Speaker 1>number of reasons. The software integration is beyond anything that

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<v Speaker 1>other manufacturers are currently doing. Like I've controlled my car

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<v Speaker 1>from my phone since 2016. My wife is like, hey

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<v Speaker 1>I'm at the car, I've got baggage okay, unlock, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>done lock, alright, come back and meet me at the

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<v Speaker 1>coffee shop.

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<v Speaker 1>The ability to just have access to it when you're

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<v Speaker 1>in it to control everything from the corridor to the

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<v Speaker 1>windows to the music that's on Spotify. All that stuff

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<v Speaker 1>is one Os. Yeah it's not apple carplay and that

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<v Speaker 1>to me is something that's very cool that the other

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturers have yet to catch up.

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<v Speaker 1>The momentum seems to be gathering pace, but the take

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<v Speaker 1>up for E. V. S is still one in 10,

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<v Speaker 1>which means it's still appealing only to a minority of customers.

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<v Speaker 1>And in fact joe BMW did a survey and found

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<v Speaker 1>that 54% of car owners are not ready to switch

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<v Speaker 1>to an electric vehicle.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think is still holding so many drivers back?

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone's waiting for charging infrastructure. Everyone wants to see more

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<v Speaker 1>chargers going up, particularly when you don't have landed property

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<v Speaker 1>and don't charge at home. Right? When you rely on

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<v Speaker 1>public charging and which is what most people will have

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<v Speaker 1>to do. Accessibility that and changing your schedule is and okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well I'll go there and I'll plug in. I know

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<v Speaker 1>where to plug in when there's more ability to plug

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<v Speaker 1>in into condos in all malls, more parking lots are dedicated,

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<v Speaker 1>all that stuff and then people will be less concerned

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<v Speaker 1>about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think there is a concern at the moment

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<v Speaker 1>because I think we have more chargers per car than

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<v Speaker 1>in Hong kong. So I hear that you charge your E. V.

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<v Speaker 1>Primarily at home. What does it take to install the

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<v Speaker 1>private E. V charging station right at your doorstep. There

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<v Speaker 1>are many people offering the services these days, Tesla owners club,

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<v Speaker 1>we have partners who offer solutions on installing and maintaining

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<v Speaker 1>and all that kind of stuff. I think installation is

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<v Speaker 1>about $3000.

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<v Speaker 1>It varies depending on the charger. Mine does about 40

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<v Speaker 1>km of charge per hour. I can plug it in

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<v Speaker 1>three hours later. I'm full or something like that. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a night chargers like my phone, I plug in my phone,

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<v Speaker 1>I plug in my car. We also charge outside as well,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's green lots, which is now shells or sp

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<v Speaker 1>you just go find the right one. Okay, go and

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<v Speaker 1>pay for in your app.

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<v Speaker 1>Some point to range anxiety as one of the key obstacles.

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<v Speaker 1>This means the fear that the car's battery will die

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<v Speaker 1>mid trip. Has that ever happened to you or anyone

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<v Speaker 1>who owns a Tesla that you know of everyone when

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<v Speaker 1>they first get it has that range anxiety and they

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<v Speaker 1>have to just learn that it's not an issue.

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<v Speaker 1>So once you creep down to below 100 kilometers and

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, okay, but Singapore is so small. The worst

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<v Speaker 1>you can do is get towed somewhere. I never had

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<v Speaker 1>to get towed anywhere because I ran out of electricity.

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<v Speaker 1>My car has 400 kilometers range. Like it's like a week.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have to worry as much, but other people

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<v Speaker 1>who live in condos, I need to figure out charging.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah there'll be a period where they're kind of worried

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<v Speaker 1>and until your comfort level is like okay I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to charge the next day. It's a mindset change. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a real concern is a real problem. Know, what would

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<v Speaker 1>you say to those people who argue that E. V.

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<v Speaker 1>S are no better that they have a larger carbon

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<v Speaker 1>footprint and typical cars and exciting lithium ion batteries that

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<v Speaker 1>tend to be more sort of resource intensive to make.

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<v Speaker 1>What would you say to them? Sure at the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>of any technology it's going to have that curve of

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<v Speaker 1>investments of R and D. These car factories have been

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<v Speaker 1>around for ages.

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<v Speaker 1>They're out of the equation when you have a new

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<v Speaker 1>car because it's been there. It's it's kind of built in.

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<v Speaker 1>Well now there's a new factory now there's a new

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<v Speaker 1>way of doing things. Yes. In the short term it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to seem like it's taxing more the environment as

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<v Speaker 1>things are being developed. You can say a carbon footprint

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<v Speaker 1>is high. Well not because I'm driving it, not because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm plugging in and by the way I'm paying for

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<v Speaker 1>all the carbon footprint through my electricity bill anyway. You're

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<v Speaker 1>not paying for the externality of dumping C. 02 into

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<v Speaker 1>the air into the city

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<v Speaker 1>that's an externality that you don't get taxed where you

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<v Speaker 1>get tax for petrol for economic reasons on how the

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<v Speaker 1>country runs but has the country counted in the externality

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<v Speaker 1>of carbon dioxide dumping out of a car? I would

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<v Speaker 1>say it hasn't because it's charging me the same road tax.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually higher road tax for T. V. Than for an

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<v Speaker 1>internal combustion engine. So I would say that Singapore hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>taken that into account

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<v Speaker 1>the externality of carbon dioxide spewing directly into the city. Alright,

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<v Speaker 1>so joe as a person who had a sort of

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<v Speaker 1>front row seat to watch the transformations unfold. How hopeful

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<v Speaker 1>are you that E. V. S will be the technology

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<v Speaker 1>that will finally wean us off from fossil fuels. I

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<v Speaker 1>think car ownership would change, I would say 10 years

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<v Speaker 1>when cars are driving themselves, ownership of a car doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>matter fractional ownership of a car could be interesting. I

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<v Speaker 1>could buy a car and then when I'm at my

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<v Speaker 1>office the car goes out and makes money for me

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<v Speaker 1>doing grab automatic automatic driving and it comes back because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like oh I have a lunch appointment, I'm scheduled

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<v Speaker 1>to come back. It comes back and picks me up.

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<v Speaker 1>That kind of ownership changes

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<v Speaker 1>how it's powered becomes irrelevant to a consumer but from

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<v Speaker 1>an industry perspective it will be easier to control autopilot

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<v Speaker 1>and it'll be a commercial decision on moving to CVS

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<v Speaker 1>and be able to back up that automated car charges somewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>it comes back, it's ready, the whole fleet will be

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<v Speaker 1>like that. So I think car ownership will change America

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<v Speaker 1>is different? Everyone's gonna have a car. Everyone loves stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But in a Singapore in cities why would you own

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<v Speaker 1>a car

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<v Speaker 1>when you can own a fractional ownership of a car

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<v Speaker 1>and have it ready when you need to like the Jetsons.

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<v Speaker 1>You ever watch the Jetsons growing up? It's a cartoon

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<v Speaker 1>and the future of family. It's a flying car that

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<v Speaker 1>just comes whenever they need it and then okay then

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<v Speaker 1>zooms off and drop them off and then it goes

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<v Speaker 1>and parks itself. You don't have to worry about parking.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think mobility changing grab will start changing

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<v Speaker 1>electric cars will just sort of happen because it's just

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<v Speaker 1>easier to manage to flee anyone who wants to buy E. V.

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<v Speaker 1>If there's one thing that you like to say to

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<v Speaker 1>them what would it be joe We really have to

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<v Speaker 1>think about what we contribute to society and how we

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<v Speaker 1>do little things to change. This will happen

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<v Speaker 1>and whether you're on it now or later you will

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<v Speaker 1>be there and it's just part of the future.

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<v Speaker 1>The other thing when we're talking about climate change beyond

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<v Speaker 1>cars and TVs is just consume less. Just consume less stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>We're so ready to consume more things. Just consume less

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<v Speaker 1>things that's packaged things. Let's just consume less. I eat

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<v Speaker 1>one meal a day these days I'm going to live

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<v Speaker 1>to 100. That's the plan. I have a plan to

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<v Speaker 1>live to 100 and 51 years old and that means

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<v Speaker 1>I need to be physically fit. Yeah, I need to

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<v Speaker 1>be physically fit. I need to be mentally

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<v Speaker 1>financially fit and all that stuff. Part of that is

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<v Speaker 1>just how do you live your life just consume less

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<v Speaker 1>consumers are the ones that are actually driving everything, but

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<v Speaker 1>to do your part for the environment as a consumer

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<v Speaker 1>just by less, consume less. That's how they actually contribute. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what a great message to end on. Thank you so much,

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<v Speaker 1>joe for your time. I really enjoyed talking to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks julie. Good to chat with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thanks to my guest, joe Newman and thanks to

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