WEBVTT - Are men simply terrible listeners?

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to another episode of men explained clearly episode

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<v Speaker 1>after episode we realized they still have a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>explaining to do and we have a lot of learning

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<v Speaker 1>to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I have the perfect guest for today's topic. Welcome Kitchen.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you? I'm good. Please tell audience I think

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<v Speaker 1>or two about yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kitchen, I'm a actor host and social media personality.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>you are also on billboards and ads and

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<v Speaker 1>I see you once in a while and

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<v Speaker 2>practically practically the annoying guy that you want to skip

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<v Speaker 2>ads on Youtube most of the time every month I

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<v Speaker 2>get an ad and then my friends go,

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<v Speaker 2>can you get off youtube was like why are you

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<v Speaker 2>being cheap? Just get youtube premium.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly. Today we're talking about listening listening. Oh you don't

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<v Speaker 1>like it already is you know? Yeah. The age old question.

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<v Speaker 1>Our men simply

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<v Speaker 2>Terrible listeners. Yes, thank you for having me. Really? That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's our episode five seconds, we're done. What

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<v Speaker 1>what what is there to say? Don't you think listening

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<v Speaker 1>is a very important part of like communication and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>conversation even amongst friends and

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<v Speaker 2>all that. I I

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<v Speaker 2>so what are you saying? You see you have the

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<v Speaker 2>perfect guest? I wasn't listening but there's a time and

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<v Speaker 2>place to listen. Right? I think the question is when

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<v Speaker 2>when do you listen? So when when when I'm being

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<v Speaker 2>paid

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<v Speaker 1>to that's

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<v Speaker 2>it like this show. Okay, so I'm being paid to

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<v Speaker 2>be here. So I'm listening to every word you're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>But if I'm not being paid to listen really

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<v Speaker 1>even amongst friends,

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<v Speaker 1>like when you're chilling and I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>listening an important part of your conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought being there for them was the biggest part.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're physically being there. But mentally you're thinking of like,

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<v Speaker 1>what to eat for dinner, what to do later.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Like right now I'm talking to you. Yes. But

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<v Speaker 2>I was just thinking

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<v Speaker 2>should I take the taxi home later? Should I take

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<v Speaker 2>the bus? You know, badly

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<v Speaker 1>offended?

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<v Speaker 2>I do

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<v Speaker 1>producers. I think you need to pay him a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more so that he can be more present in

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<v Speaker 2>This conference. Is there another $1,000,

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<v Speaker 2>sonya? Do you have my undivided attention?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's it. Is it? You have the written contract

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<v Speaker 1>for

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<v Speaker 2>$1,000. 1

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<v Speaker 1>1000 you will listen. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to ask you, do you think you

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<v Speaker 1>are a good listener?

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<v Speaker 2>No, no. This isn't amongst friends.

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<v Speaker 2>I am.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on. Your friends are watching right now. They're watching

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<v Speaker 1>right now. And I think they have something to say

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<v Speaker 1>in the comments. Because

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<v Speaker 2>here's the thing about me. See, I cannot speak for

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<v Speaker 2>men in general, but in my experience, Yes, this is

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<v Speaker 2>the reason why I don't play poker because I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have the poker face. Oh yeah, I'm so expressive in

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<v Speaker 2>my expressions, right?

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<v Speaker 2>I can never lie. Like if someone says something stupid

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<v Speaker 2>to me, you'd be like, your stupid, isn't it? You

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<v Speaker 2>should think about what you just said. You know, just

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<v Speaker 2>be like this and I do this to my friends

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<v Speaker 2>all the time and they can just see right through you,

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<v Speaker 2>right through me and then here's the best part they

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<v Speaker 2>realize it and then they replay what they said and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, there you go. And you thought I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't listening. Right? You see, you are in your own. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>In your own. It's guys have been said not to multitask. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we can.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's a good one. I feel like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people always say, Oh, guys can't multitask or men are

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<v Speaker 1>bad listeners. But I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>for us as well, I don't think it's really gender specific.

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<v Speaker 1>I sometimes feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm not the best listener in certain moments too.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I sometimes can space out, I can sometimes blank out.

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<v Speaker 1>I can sometimes fade out in the conversation a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit and people can tell, right? You know? So I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think it's just men. I don't know. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>agree with me? This is a fake plant. Yeah. He's

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<v Speaker 1>drifting off already. You see,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm joking. I'm joking.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but it's it's it's very true

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>multitasking in the mind for a guy. Um,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm listening. Yes. I'm also thinking about something else and

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<v Speaker 2>my face is also doing something else and I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like I do that all the time. And my mom,

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<v Speaker 2>she's no holds barred at home and she lets me

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<v Speaker 2>know just the other night, she just went, I hate

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<v Speaker 2>talking to you.

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<v Speaker 2>She said in my face,

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<v Speaker 2>she's like, I hate talking to you.

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<v Speaker 2>She say why? Yes, because here's what I do, we

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<v Speaker 2>were having a glass of wine and we were sitting

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<v Speaker 2>in this very nice coffee area in my house and

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<v Speaker 2>the fish tank light was in my face

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm listening to her talking about her mom being

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<v Speaker 2>an absolute piece of ship and she's going on and

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<v Speaker 2>on

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<v Speaker 2>and then this light is in my face and it

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<v Speaker 2>was a very romantic night, you know that you know

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<v Speaker 2>we have a nice move like the nice

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<v Speaker 1>bonding but the fish

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<v Speaker 2>tank light like these lights in my face when she

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<v Speaker 2>stopped talking the moment she stops just can you off

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<v Speaker 2>the fish tank like,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's like, did you hear

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<v Speaker 2>a word I said Exactly. Oh my God. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, yes, yes, yes

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<v Speaker 2>I did. But how about we turn that off and

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<v Speaker 2>then continue and just you know what, I hate talking

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<v Speaker 2>to you, you do this all the time. Every time

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<v Speaker 2>I say something, you're looking somewhere else, you're thinking of

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<v Speaker 2>something else and I just have this short

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<v Speaker 2>span attention span like I would go to the kitchen

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<v Speaker 2>and I would make a cup of coffee and then

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<v Speaker 2>she would come in and then she would say something

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<v Speaker 2>and then I went, oh yeah, yeah, that's that's great. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I would take the mug and I would

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<v Speaker 2>walk out now. That's an international que

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<v Speaker 2>I'm starting my day. I don't want to talk, you

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<v Speaker 2>know at this point

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<v Speaker 1>international care if I'm starting

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<v Speaker 2>my day, I like that. Yes. And then you walk

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<v Speaker 2>out of the kitchen now here's the thing. Everybody if

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<v Speaker 2>you're just want you to know if you're walking out,

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<v Speaker 2>don't talk to me

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<v Speaker 2>like its international. If you're walking out or somewhere don't talk.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know why people find it the best

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<v Speaker 2>time to talk to somebody when they're leaving a particular location.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's

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<v Speaker 1>why. So my mom sometimes does it too and she

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<v Speaker 1>says because at any other time she can't catch me

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<v Speaker 1>to tell me something. So in those moments like when

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like

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<v Speaker 1>doing something that's not so like work related or like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm on the phone, I'm not on zoom call, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it is the perfect time to like raise certain things

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<v Speaker 1>because then if not she won't be able to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to me otherwise

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<v Speaker 2>no, I can't do it. I can't every time. Like

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be walking to the hall and then and then

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<v Speaker 2>she would catch me and I'll be like, no, I

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<v Speaker 2>got to listen but it depends on the time. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to men

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<v Speaker 2>we need to be, there's a time and place for everything.

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<v Speaker 2>You just catch me

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<v Speaker 2>tell me, hey I need to have a chat about this,

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<v Speaker 2>prepare myself, I'll get ready for the conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Now Go, you're on the clock. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's so different actually. This kind of segways nicely into

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<v Speaker 1>my next question because you know when, when us girls,

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<v Speaker 1>when we get together and when we chat and talk right,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's very different when guys get together

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<v Speaker 1>and chat and talk about feelings like do you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sort of like, hey, you want to go

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<v Speaker 1>grab a coffee or a drink and then

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<v Speaker 1>how long do you take to talk about your problems

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<v Speaker 1>and your issues?

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<v Speaker 2>And I think the problems usually never shows up really

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<v Speaker 2>just in a few seconds and you know, it just,

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<v Speaker 2>it just within guys like in a group of guys,

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<v Speaker 2>like remember hanging out with my guy friends just hanging

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<v Speaker 2>out and then I think there was never a time

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<v Speaker 2>we just went what problems? You know, the other day,

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<v Speaker 2>I felt so shitty about this thing idea. Okay. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>just what

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<v Speaker 1>does it sound like me and my girlfriend? I guess. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>we can go on for six hours about the same thing. Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And we still don't come to a conclusion. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you can feel me on that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the fun part because I hang out with friends

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<v Speaker 2>this couple, right? And then he,

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<v Speaker 2>you've got to coax him out and ask him what

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<v Speaker 2>is your problem? What's happening? Why do you look like this?

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<v Speaker 2>And my listening skills with him very short because it's

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<v Speaker 2>yeah you know the other day she's going to me

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<v Speaker 2>for this

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like yeah I understand. I got you. That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>I got it yeah that's it. I got it. And

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<v Speaker 2>then 10 seconds I got you bro you know next

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<v Speaker 2>time why don't you do that? And we get it,

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<v Speaker 2>wow really? She scolded me for not lifting up the toilet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah I feel you

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<v Speaker 2>I feel you I know you didn't lift up but

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<v Speaker 2>once you next time sit on the toilet bowl but

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<v Speaker 2>then you provided

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<v Speaker 1>a solution.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay that's my experience. Too bad. You know I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I grew up sitting on the toilet bowl and that matters.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for the information that we did not ask for.

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<v Speaker 2>You know I don't need like a but when she

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<v Speaker 2>when the girlfriend started telling me about her problems, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my God the details you blanked out. Is it?

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<v Speaker 1>What were the details forgot? Ready? Right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like he wakes up in the morning and he

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<v Speaker 2>takes a walk to the toilet and he's in there

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<v Speaker 2>for I don't know how long

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<v Speaker 2>and then and then I don't know what he does

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<v Speaker 2>in there and then he doesn't even want to lift

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<v Speaker 2>up the toilet and then when I walk into the

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<v Speaker 2>toilet and then I see all of these and then

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<v Speaker 2>I get angry.

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<v Speaker 2>The point of the entire thing was actually just to

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<v Speaker 2>tell me that he didn't lift up the seat and

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<v Speaker 2>I sat there going,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah, you want to get to the point? And then

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<v Speaker 2>I can get to my experience of telling you to

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<v Speaker 2>tell him to sit down and then end of conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually get what you mean because you know in

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<v Speaker 1>my own life as well, like with my own partner

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<v Speaker 1>as well, like sometimes when I go on about something

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm bitching about a day at work or like

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<v Speaker 1>a ship day that I had or whatever, he's just

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<v Speaker 1>like and the point is like dot dot dot and

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<v Speaker 1>the point all right, I'll get to the point right now.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know whether it's just innately in us,

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<v Speaker 1>Like when we sit down with our girlfriends and we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about our problems and we are more than happy

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<v Speaker 1>to listen. That's the thing. Like we love to listen,

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<v Speaker 1>we love to ask questions like

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<v Speaker 1>If my friend, I don't know, fought with a boyfriend

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<v Speaker 1>or something, you know, we can sit and chat over

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<v Speaker 1>a wine for like five hours

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<v Speaker 1>and just go on about it and then we come

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<v Speaker 1>back to how he was being a total dick or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Like at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 2>you know guys, we just cut that show and go, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he was a dick,

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so then what do you do with the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the time hanging out? What do you talk about

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<v Speaker 1>for the rest? I'm so curious about this. I just

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<v Speaker 1>want to like listen, be a fly on the wall

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<v Speaker 1>in a hangout session with just the guys.

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<v Speaker 2>You ever see a bunch of dogs get together

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<v Speaker 2>just walking around just barking around, wagging our tails, sitting

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<v Speaker 2>there enjoying each other's company and they're going, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>see that? Yeah, you see

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<v Speaker 1>the Spider man. Yeah, that's great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's that's that's about it, wow. I never understood that.

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<v Speaker 2>We can see it. Okay and chill

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<v Speaker 2>and say absolutely nothing and be happy with our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>What you guys sound like, such simple

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<v Speaker 2>creatures, you know? But then when we are so passionate

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<v Speaker 2>about something yes

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<v Speaker 2>then we get into it. It's like two dogs barking,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, some things that you're so, I mean I'm

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<v Speaker 2>passionate about filmmaking and acting and tv and dinosaurs and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a big Jurassic park fan. So if you start

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<v Speaker 2>talking about Jurassic park, I just go on and on.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you see the film? So and then now my

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<v Speaker 2>group is into N. F. T. S. Yeah, so it

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<v Speaker 2>goes on forever. Yeah. So I usually excuse myself from

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<v Speaker 2>the group most of the time.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're not in? You're not into that conversation. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I

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<v Speaker 2>became an artist darling because I can't do the one

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<v Speaker 2>plus one. How you can do the creative stuff. Bang.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you get when, when two guys are so

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<v Speaker 2>passionate about 10 FPs, did you, did you watch list

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<v Speaker 2>that you mean that pop, pop, pop, pop, pop pop,

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<v Speaker 1>that's all he picked up from the current, the word

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<v Speaker 1>meant

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<v Speaker 2>by a digital picture having on the Blockchain, something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd rather talk to your girlfriend at this point

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<v Speaker 1>about

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<v Speaker 2>the toilet seat, walking to the toilet in the morning routine.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, and sometimes I would tell us telling

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<v Speaker 2>you so long with, so that's where you

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<v Speaker 1>fade out basically. Yeah, I don't think that it's specific

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<v Speaker 1>to like men that they were bad listeners at least

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<v Speaker 1>that's how I feel. I feel like it's something specific

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<v Speaker 1>to the person as well because I have, I have,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, great friends, like very close best friends that

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<v Speaker 1>are also, I mean the guys and they're great listeners

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<v Speaker 1>and they sit down one on one with me talk

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<v Speaker 1>about life, talk about relationships, They want to get in

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<v Speaker 1>depth with it and all that. So then the question is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if a bro comes to you with like

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<v Speaker 1>a serious problem, like, you know, hey, um I have

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<v Speaker 1>this make or break issue like with my partner or

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<v Speaker 1>my girlfriend or whatever, Like how is that going to go? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>would you then give your 100% focus and attention,

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<v Speaker 1>give solutions, give suggestions, ask him questions. So go more

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<v Speaker 1>in depth. You know, like

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<v Speaker 2>I said,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a time and place and moment for that. So

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<v Speaker 2>if he were to text me and say, hey, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a problem. I have this and that I'm prepared. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm prepared not to have any sort of fun for

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<v Speaker 2>that day. I'm prepared to sit there and then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you rattle off and then I'll take my

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<v Speaker 2>notes mentally

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<v Speaker 1>or mentally

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna sit there and actually right now I'm

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<v Speaker 2>having so much problem. Would you like buying life insurance

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time?

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't you buy a full support life plan? Because

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<v Speaker 2>you sound like you're about to get hit by a bus.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean your girlfriend, but you know, you take the

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<v Speaker 2>notes and then you, you are there for your guy

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<v Speaker 2>friend and then you are listening to what he has

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<v Speaker 2>to say and then you take notes and then you give,

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<v Speaker 2>because I never give advice. I always share an experience

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<v Speaker 2>and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the sort of guy who's in the group who's

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<v Speaker 2>the neutral party. Okay, Okay. I take what you said

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<v Speaker 2>and I take what you said and then I go,

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<v Speaker 2>here's where you've sucked up. Here's where you right here

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<v Speaker 2>is where you sucked up. Here's where you right now,

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<v Speaker 2>please let's get back to having fun. Have you ever

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<v Speaker 2>been the person with the problem? Yeah, here's my New

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<v Speaker 2>Year's resolution for

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<v Speaker 2>20-2, please do tell me I haven't made mine yet,

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<v Speaker 2>which was don't kiss anybody off. Yeah, well that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be tough

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm currently reading a book called the Courage to

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<v Speaker 1>be disliked.

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<v Speaker 2>Really recommend it to you. I don't even need that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I can tell you what's that? Okay? I'm loved

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<v Speaker 2>for my mouth. I'm also disliked for my mouth,

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<v Speaker 2>understandably, right. I mean, I try not to hurt feelings,

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<v Speaker 2>but I am blunt and I get to the point

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<v Speaker 2>and if you are close to me and I'm close

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<v Speaker 2>to you,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna say like it is you get that

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<v Speaker 1>dynamic, you know, you're a close friend

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<v Speaker 2>and I expect that from my friends to tell me

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<v Speaker 2>don't be friends. Yeah, yeah. So my friends know this

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<v Speaker 2>and then they will go look here the other day,

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<v Speaker 2>you were supposed to do this and you did that

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't like it and I appreciate that very much.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that. And then I would tell them in

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<v Speaker 2>their face instead

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<v Speaker 1>of like bottling up your and I think this is

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<v Speaker 1>this applies to more than just relationships. But even in

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<v Speaker 1>friend groups and stuff as well, because the bigger your

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<v Speaker 1>group is sometimes it's like internal politics or whatever. And then,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you want to confide a bit about this

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<v Speaker 1>person to like someone else and the movement that causes

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<v Speaker 1>this like weird rift and energy and all

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<v Speaker 2>that.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know the thing about being blunt is you

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<v Speaker 2>have to be a very good listener. Yes, because that's

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<v Speaker 2>the job when you are a blunt guy or you're

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<v Speaker 2>saying jokes or you or you want to say something,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody you actually have to be a very good listener

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<v Speaker 2>and catch the keywords, right? Right. You know, and

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<v Speaker 2>as somebody who makes jokes half

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<v Speaker 2>my bloody life,

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<v Speaker 2>You've got to catch and then you've got to, that's

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<v Speaker 2>when you're fast at it. Like I'm listening to you,

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<v Speaker 2>I may look like I'm not listening, but I'm actually

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<v Speaker 2>listening to you 110%. If I wouldn't be able to

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<v Speaker 2>carry on this conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>men just want to pretend that we don't listen. We

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<v Speaker 2>just want to have this carefully lives in our head

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<v Speaker 2>is butterflies and the beach and a beer.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, butterflies

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<v Speaker 1>beach and a beer Okay. Where the butterflies came from?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure. But I don't know, I just needed something

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<v Speaker 2>nice there. You know, maybe I should have like fish.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I don't like no, we just we

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<v Speaker 2>just want to pretend that we have this carefree life.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't want to think about

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<v Speaker 2>all these feelings and stuff like that. We are listening.

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<v Speaker 2>We are there. We we want to have that chat

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<v Speaker 2>with you, We want to open up. But you know

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to men, I've got no problems, you know, good.

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<v Speaker 2>I started, you know, she's the one with the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Not me. Yeah, we do have problems. So

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<v Speaker 1>then bringing that back to when you had a problem

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<v Speaker 1>and you had an issue and you wanted someone to listen.

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<v Speaker 1>How long can you go on talking for and how

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<v Speaker 1>much do you expect this person to give you like

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of attention in terms of suggestions, ideas, solutions.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>I speak in .4. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay

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<v Speaker 2>summaries so can't be too long. Went down to see

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<v Speaker 2>the other day I went out

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<v Speaker 2>and then I bumped into this person he said this

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<v Speaker 2>to me and then I said that back and then

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<v Speaker 2>he got a fender and then I went this way

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<v Speaker 2>and then I did that and then

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<v Speaker 2>my friend said okay so and then once I get

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<v Speaker 2>the point from on then they go back to this

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<v Speaker 2>point and they go

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<v Speaker 2>yeah but what did you say at this moment that

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<v Speaker 2>you see now that's the conversation. Thank you for listening.

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<v Speaker 2>Instead of me going.

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<v Speaker 2>So last sunday night at 7:30 p.m. I was out

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<v Speaker 2>at Clark key. I was walking down the river and

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<v Speaker 2>then I bumped into a friend of mine and then

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<v Speaker 2>he looked at me and I said

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<v Speaker 2>I'd rather watch a movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay wait so why the details not important?

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<v Speaker 2>Why the details not important details

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<v Speaker 1>to me. I feel it is important. I agree

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<v Speaker 2>with you. The details are absolutely important but it's how

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<v Speaker 2>you phrase those details. Okay

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<v Speaker 1>Okay I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's when you catch, right,

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want to put

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<v Speaker 2>s a with two details in there or summarize the

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<v Speaker 2>two lines with two details in there and then have

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<v Speaker 2>a conversation that's faster. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>I feel it's just a build up, you know? I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. It's more like like I'm trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>a point so I need to build it up. Like

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<v Speaker 1>the reason why this happened is because I was here

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<v Speaker 1>at this time and because we were supposed to meet

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<v Speaker 1>here to do something, you know what I mean? Like

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm like, oh that's why the build up is

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<v Speaker 1>important and that's why amongst us girls that we always

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<v Speaker 1>get into the nitty gritty details

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<v Speaker 1>and we just let them talk like we just let

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<v Speaker 1>our girlfriends go. But that being said um I was

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<v Speaker 1>in film school last time as well and the number

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<v Speaker 1>one thing in script writing is if it doesn't move

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<v Speaker 1>the plot forward, don't include it in the script. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the one thing that I learned in script writing class. Right?

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<v Speaker 1>It's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's closed. No, no, I get it. I memorize point

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<v Speaker 2>for me

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<v Speaker 1>but not point form. You know, it's just like if

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<v Speaker 1>it's really unnecessary then maybe I won't include it. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not opposed to listening to it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean okay

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<v Speaker 2>if you're talking about film. Yeah. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is something

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<v Speaker 2>he's interested in you see and then and then and

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<v Speaker 2>then and then when you do a tv show

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<v Speaker 2>what's the most important thing

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<v Speaker 2>character, our character building. You know, sometimes an unnecessary scene

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<v Speaker 2>like

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<v Speaker 1>could waste like 10 minutes of your screen

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<v Speaker 2>time making a cup of coffee,

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<v Speaker 2>you know

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<v Speaker 2>to, you might not mean anything but you're feeling for

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<v Speaker 2>the character at this particular moment you're relating to him

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<v Speaker 2>and then for her and then you move on through

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<v Speaker 2>that story. Art, you grow that compassion for your character

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe it was sponsored by an espresso last year.

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<v Speaker 1>Also product placement.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I see your stories. I see that

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<v Speaker 2>going dammit. I want one of those capsules. Exactly. Nespresso

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<v Speaker 2>have a machine that up please.

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<v Speaker 2>That is very important for filmmaking

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<v Speaker 2>in the outside world.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it's not a 3-hour long film. It's true. You

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<v Speaker 2>really can't sit there and listen.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you go and watch a film like that,

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<v Speaker 2>those long stories, you're prepared for it. So I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>saying you need to be

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<v Speaker 1>mentally prepared for your night out with your friends

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<v Speaker 2>prepared, you know, netflix and chill. You put on the

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<v Speaker 2>movie and go like,

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<v Speaker 2>um, so are we going to do it now? You

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<v Speaker 1>Already, you already allocated the two or 3 hours? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Some of the asian Slaw. Right. I live with

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<v Speaker 2>my mom. So there's, there's, there's time slots. Yes. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what time she comes back.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a fast paced world and when you're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about listening, my job on a daily basis is to listen,

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<v Speaker 2>I have to listen to my costar. It's true.

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<v Speaker 1>It's true. I totally agree. I have to listen to joking.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's torture, right? So

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<v Speaker 1>kidding, kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I said, like, it's really the time and place

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<v Speaker 2>and honestly

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<v Speaker 2>what I feel like an absolute girl, if I were

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<v Speaker 2>to tell the truth, I like joining

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<v Speaker 2>my girlfriends, girlfriends

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<v Speaker 2>and sit down and

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<v Speaker 2>actually really listen to them and talk.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, I feel like this is

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely honest.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like this is the peak of our conversation

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Self acceptance and awareness.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the entire three quarters this podcast is me

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<v Speaker 2>making a joke about men being such dumb fox not listening, right?

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<v Speaker 2>But we I I honestly love

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<v Speaker 2>sitting down listening to that gossip, right? Yeah, the t

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<v Speaker 2>is being spilled. Like absolutely hilarious. Like a stand up

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<v Speaker 2>show when you guys talk about the details that she

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<v Speaker 2>had that hair extension, She thinks that Botox, you see

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<v Speaker 2>when she laughed and she looked, you

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<v Speaker 1>know, now I need to go and find out who

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<v Speaker 1>he's been hanging out with. So I know this person

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<v Speaker 2>and then I'm sitting there going, oh my God, that

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<v Speaker 2>is hilarious. And then I'll be watching and oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the Botox. Really? When she loved it?

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<v Speaker 1>Is she laughing? Or is she

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<v Speaker 2>not? Yeah, that's true, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's because you guys said it, right? And then I'm like, right, right?

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<v Speaker 1>It's ok trust me, if you just listen in on

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<v Speaker 1>a girls chat it can be bitchy. F Okay? Like seriously? No.

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<v Speaker 1>And you think

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not listening, right? But then fast forward. This one

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<v Speaker 2>catches your attention and then three weeks later I'll be like,

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't that the one you're talking about the other day

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<v Speaker 2>and then you are not listening to me like that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah man, we pretend not to listen. Actually we are

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<v Speaker 2>there you are there. And the reason why we pretend

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<v Speaker 2>not to listen so that you don't counter check what

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<v Speaker 2>you said, right? Because we'll never get it right? Just

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<v Speaker 1>you basically

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<v Speaker 2>just all your just basically Yeah. The dog. What? This

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<v Speaker 2>one after the other the other day you said auntie Margaret.

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<v Speaker 2>What what what the other yeah. Another

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<v Speaker 1>story for another day. Okay. But we're taking it back

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<v Speaker 1>from you know just conversations, sitting down conversation to texting.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a difference from you know the sit down

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<v Speaker 1>conversations that you have with your friends or girlfriends or

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<v Speaker 1>girlfriend or whatever?

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<v Speaker 1>And the texting? Because I know sometimes we've actually addressed

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<v Speaker 1>the whole art of texting a couple of times during

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<v Speaker 1>our episodes. Do you are you a texter in the

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<v Speaker 1>first place? What if people want to tell you about

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<v Speaker 1>their shitty day or their fight with their partner On text.

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of texture are you? Um And how do

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<v Speaker 1>you how do you read into these things? Like would

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<v Speaker 1>you rather also just get to the point? Like on

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<v Speaker 1>text as well.

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<v Speaker 2>First things first when I text people is in full

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<v Speaker 2>sentences because I can't do the I don't know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a boomer that will I keep my problems to myself. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Why? It's my problem, it's not yours. But sometimes you

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<v Speaker 2>need like a ventilator board right? Yeah screaming the pillow.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, did you sit by my own? Usually I

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<v Speaker 2>just rented my mom and like she's like why your

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<v Speaker 2>face like that? You gave birth to this face? What

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<v Speaker 2>kind of question is that? Oh no no, I just

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<v Speaker 2>had this and that but let's see if you're going

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<v Speaker 2>out right to the beach.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a problem in the morning and you can

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<v Speaker 2>clearly see it in my face because I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>to hide it in a way, but I would know

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<v Speaker 2>that ship, we're out here to have a good time,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna sit you down and go,

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<v Speaker 2>you know this is this day and I had this

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<v Speaker 2>problem like let's have a good time and then maybe

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<v Speaker 2>maybe when it comes to some timeframe throughout the night

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<v Speaker 2>and we find that moment and then I'm like yeah

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<v Speaker 2>you know just just had that problem. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I think there's a balance. I feel like because

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<v Speaker 1>if I know that my friend that I'm hanging out

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<v Speaker 1>with had a bad time or isn't

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<v Speaker 1>you know, going is going through something and also ideal

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<v Speaker 1>and all that. I would want to be there for

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<v Speaker 1>my friend and I would want to get that out

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<v Speaker 1>of the way first. Okay. I don't know if it's

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<v Speaker 1>a self awareness thing, but if I'm having a ship day,

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<v Speaker 1>I will immediately tell my group of friends, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to harp on this for too long,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'll spend like 5, 10 minutes. I'll just tell

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<v Speaker 1>you why I had a crappy day and then you

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<v Speaker 1>guys can tell me what you want to say. And

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<v Speaker 1>then we move on. All right? So you just let

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<v Speaker 1>it out, that's my style. I just let it out

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<v Speaker 1>like for a fixed amount of time and then we

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<v Speaker 1>move on and have have a fun rest of the

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<v Speaker 1>day

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<v Speaker 2>minus the total opposite. Like I will keep it in,

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<v Speaker 2>put on a good smile, keep it we will have

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<v Speaker 2>a great day and then when the time comes and

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<v Speaker 2>you need to do it,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just let you know okay and then we would

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<v Speaker 2>have if it's not on a fun day, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's time to sit down and have a chat about it.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll do that when it comes to texting most of

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<v Speaker 2>the time. I just go, what are you guys up

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<v Speaker 2>to tonight? I'm busy. It's okay. That's at the end.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm the one who's always um and I feel

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<v Speaker 2>this with my friends. I hope you don't

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<v Speaker 2>you know unfriend unfriend me But I'm the one always

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<v Speaker 2>texting the group that you guys okay And I will

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<v Speaker 2>check in. Yeah I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's very appreciated as well and that's considered

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<v Speaker 1>a good form of being you know support a good listener.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay so on that note if you're you know let's

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<v Speaker 1>say in an argument on text or like a heated

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<v Speaker 1>conversation of some sort or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>And

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<v Speaker 1>And you send like multiple messages like .1 I'm this

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<v Speaker 1>you know that that making a point and stuff and

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<v Speaker 1>the person on the receiving end just replies like one message.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that like tissue off or

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like you have an example coming I will

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<v Speaker 2>murder you if you don't read. There's a reason why

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<v Speaker 2>I typed every damn thing. Yeah yeah yeah yeah that's

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<v Speaker 2>paragraph one paragraph to read paragraph one and then read

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<v Speaker 2>to and then reply me like the chronological order. Like

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<v Speaker 2>if you come and tell me you saw Star Wars

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<v Speaker 2>five and then you saw one I will punch you

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<v Speaker 2>in the face. You're gonna watch 456123

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<v Speaker 2>and then watch the T. V. Shows. You know it's

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<v Speaker 2>it has an order is an order. Yes I pisces

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<v Speaker 2>me off

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<v Speaker 2>when they just read the second time to go. Yes

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<v Speaker 2>or they just like I asked you about dinner here

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<v Speaker 2>and then you tell me what movie you wanna watch

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<v Speaker 2>on

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<v Speaker 1>that They prompt you again. You write full sentences. Hello? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's

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<v Speaker 2>like a you,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you want to have for dinner? Where shall

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<v Speaker 2>we go

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<v Speaker 2>then? The first question,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you want to eat? Anything? I

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<v Speaker 2>write for fun? Like you said for fun, is it? Yeah,

0:26:12.630 --> 0:26:16.060
<v Speaker 2>I took all that time to click click click campaign. No,

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<v Speaker 2>pays me off. Like I have like the other question,

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<v Speaker 2>they'd be like, oh yeah, it's a singaporean thing. You

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<v Speaker 2>think so? Yeah. So

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<v Speaker 1>now it's no longer like a man versus woman thinks

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<v Speaker 2>it's a singaporean thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I just have this pet peeve for singaporeans

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<v Speaker 2>asking me and saying damn things Sometimes My, my current

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<v Speaker 2>pet peeves, yes. If I were to say that it

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<v Speaker 2>is not reading the full text or it's like asking

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<v Speaker 2>if I ask you two questions in one sentence, you

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<v Speaker 2>just say yes. It's like, hey, you want to meet

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<v Speaker 2>later at 7 30 or shall we go here? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>without giving any details. Is it?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I just go like, oh my God, is

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<v Speaker 2>this the day I'm going to have the second one

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<v Speaker 2>is

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<v Speaker 2>it's an obvious location, there's nothing to do here but

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<v Speaker 2>the obvious thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And you asked me

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<v Speaker 2>what you are doing here.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's your other pet peeve,

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<v Speaker 2>is it? Right, right, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I said, if you both

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<v Speaker 1>at spin class and you're like, hey, what are you

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<v Speaker 1>doing

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<v Speaker 2>here?

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<v Speaker 2>That would be bad, here's the, here's, here's, here's an

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<v Speaker 1>example, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, you see as much as I don't

0:27:24.720 --> 0:27:26.330
<v Speaker 2>like that, he said, I love listening to these kind

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<v Speaker 2>of people because it just riles me up. So I

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<v Speaker 2>was walking to the gym on the way to the gym,

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<v Speaker 2>I spot a newly opened gym right next to my house,

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<v Speaker 2>so I thought, let's check it out

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<v Speaker 2>now. Mind you, if you saw me from afar, you'd

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<v Speaker 2>be like,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to the gym because you know, you're dressed

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<v Speaker 1>and you're, you know, near their backpack, gym

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<v Speaker 2>shoes, gym shorts and I walk into the gym

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<v Speaker 2>and the receptionists

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever you call, the person standing in front of

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<v Speaker 2>the gym, looks at me and goes, you are here

0:27:55.740 --> 0:27:59.520
<v Speaker 2>for in that tone really you are here for? And

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<v Speaker 2>I snap man, I just, I apologize, but I want

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<v Speaker 2>to buy a goat.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my God, no, you did not say

0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:09.350
<v Speaker 2>that literally to buy a goat. Do you have one here?

0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:11.660
<v Speaker 2>What did you see that exactly that

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<v Speaker 2>I said. Exactly. That. Is there anything else to do here?

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<v Speaker 2>And this is active S. G. Yeah, they just had weights,

0:28:17.580 --> 0:28:21.270
<v Speaker 2>there's no Pilates class. There's no doom, basically just equipment.

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<v Speaker 2>Equipment

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And I walked out and said, you know what, this

0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:29.060
<v Speaker 2>place ain't for me, I mean, why can't you go,

0:28:31.140 --> 0:28:33.620
<v Speaker 1>can I help you? Yes, okay. I think we can

0:28:33.619 --> 0:28:34.400
<v Speaker 1>be friends.

0:28:34.410 --> 0:28:37.790
<v Speaker 2>Did you sign up for this? You know what you're

0:28:37.790 --> 0:28:40.290
<v Speaker 2>here for in that like,

0:28:40.290 --> 0:28:42.110
<v Speaker 1>condescending tone, is it?

0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:45.680
<v Speaker 2>It's the same thing as writing three lines and then

0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:48.130
<v Speaker 2>you reply to which one you choose. It's the same

0:28:48.130 --> 0:28:50.570
<v Speaker 2>thing you are here for in this group chat. For

0:28:50.570 --> 0:28:50.890
<v Speaker 2>what

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<v Speaker 1>I think, you know, this definitely ties back to being

0:28:54.340 --> 0:28:58.870
<v Speaker 1>a good listener, a good communicator and just being more aware, right?

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<v Speaker 1>I think in general,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be very honest with you. I think the roles

0:29:02.810 --> 0:29:06.090
<v Speaker 2>are reversed. I think men should be called females and

0:29:06.090 --> 0:29:08.300
<v Speaker 2>females should become men. I think, I

0:29:08.300 --> 0:29:10.330
<v Speaker 1>think that the lines are just blood in general. You

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<v Speaker 1>know what

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<v Speaker 2>I want to throw all you men under the bus

0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:13.360
<v Speaker 2>right now crap.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just be honest here. How many times have we

0:29:17.610 --> 0:29:18.560
<v Speaker 2>gotten together

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<v Speaker 2>and bitched and gossip and shared long ask detailed questions

0:29:23.780 --> 0:29:26.940
<v Speaker 2>or stories. But then when we go back and then

0:29:26.940 --> 0:29:30.430
<v Speaker 2>we pretend like we just hang out. Yeah, but I

0:29:30.430 --> 0:29:31.560
<v Speaker 2>tell you, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I knew it. I knew

0:29:33.490 --> 0:29:34.980
<v Speaker 1>it. This is literally

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<v Speaker 2>just throwing on it. But you're sitting there going, what

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<v Speaker 2>the other deal he like, then we go to sleep

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<v Speaker 2>and then we, you know, whatever y'all do. We do,

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<v Speaker 2>we just pretend that we're not doing it

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<v Speaker 1>on. And on that note,

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<v Speaker 2>thank

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<v Speaker 1>You for watching this episode of men explain. I think

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to lose 80% of our male followers

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<v Speaker 1>right now. See you next time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. They're all embarrassed and shy and hiding, but you

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<v Speaker 2>know what? I think it's time to come clean guys.

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<v Speaker 2>We

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>gossip girls like, okay, hello? Yeah, let me sit down

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<v Speaker 2>there and just talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. Don't lie.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't lie to yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that you had a nice character arc during

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast. Actually, if I would drop a filmmaking term

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<v Speaker 1>in there somehow, he was like kissing the guy that

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<v Speaker 1>I see on tv, on videos on instagram tiktok, whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>And as the time went by, he actually had this

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful character arc. I have to say, I don't know

0:30:33.810 --> 0:30:36.450
<v Speaker 1>if you noticed it. Yeah, maybe when you re watch this,

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<v Speaker 1>you might notice it

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<v Speaker 1>and you might not have any other friends after this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast so you can just come and chat with

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<v Speaker 2>me. Do I even have friends at this point? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what they love about me.

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<v Speaker 2>The bluntness, the crudeness, maybe the joke's on this side

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<v Speaker 2>of

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<v Speaker 1>as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think, I mean I'm looking into the camera. Only

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<v Speaker 2>my close friends know the serious times, the quiet times,

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<v Speaker 2>the heart to heart talks there listening that I had

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<v Speaker 2>to do.

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<v Speaker 1>We should charge them by the minute is

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<v Speaker 2>it should send the invoice each time I had to

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<v Speaker 2>counsel everybody. Nobody.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the funny thing.

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<v Speaker 2>As much as I portray myself to be. This guy's

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<v Speaker 2>like hurry up, let's get there. Let's go. Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I end up having

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<v Speaker 2>the most people

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<v Speaker 2>come to me to have a chat. They want to

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<v Speaker 2>tell me the other day they want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about their problems to

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<v Speaker 2>me. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I think they just know it's because I'm going to listen.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to give you some sort of an experience

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<v Speaker 2>of mind. Maybe you can learn from that to help

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<v Speaker 2>your situation and then I will make a joke about

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<v Speaker 2>it and then turn your whole day around.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, okay, Shawn, thank you so much for joining us.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I'm laughing. This has been a journey.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like we need to do like a character art, graph

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<v Speaker 1>of position throughout this entire one hour. Yeah, literally a

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<v Speaker 1>graph to see like where his character went.

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<v Speaker 1>But I really appreciate that because we get to see

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<v Speaker 1>different sides of each other because you know, we're always

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<v Speaker 1>like only seeing each other like you know, work sort

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<v Speaker 1>of situation or like energetic hyped up and all. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the first time we're like sitting down like for

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<v Speaker 1>an hour chatting and I just saw a different side

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<v Speaker 1>of you that was

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<v Speaker 2>pleasantly you made it very comfortable to be

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<v Speaker 2>the other side of me Also, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>You

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<v Speaker 1>are most welcome to conclude this whole thing today. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the lines are very blurred. It may not

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<v Speaker 1>be specific to you know, just men or just women.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I feel in general we can be good or

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<v Speaker 1>bad listeners regardless of gender, right? You

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<v Speaker 2>Know, it's just boils down to your personality, man. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not gender whatsoever. Having hung out with gay men. Yeah, 100%.

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<v Speaker 2>They are the best listeners man and they will catch you.

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<v Speaker 2>We

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<v Speaker 1>talked for six hours. I love it. Oh my God,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much for listening to this episode of

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see you next time. Thanks christian

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<v Speaker 2>was the fun for me. Thank you. Goodbye.