1 00:00:00,009 --> 00:00:02,730 Speaker 1: Hi Seo. Hey to Z and I'm Jermaine and welcome 2 00:00:02,740 --> 00:00:05,689 Speaker 1: back to yet another episode of Clarity's Hash Pods. 3 00:00:07,030 --> 00:00:11,289 Speaker 1: Wow. Without knowing it, we are on 100 plus episodes. 4 00:00:11,300 --> 00:00:14,569 Speaker 1: Very fast, very fast. And this is a special episode. 5 00:00:14,579 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: This is 6 00:00:14,970 --> 00:00:21,850 Speaker 2: probably the fourth Mother's Day that we are celebrating with hush. Really? 2020. Right? Wow. 7 00:00:21,860 --> 00:00:23,898 Speaker 2: Maybe the third Mother's Day. Wow. 8 00:00:23,909 --> 00:00:27,329 Speaker 1: Ok. So this is a special episode dedicated to all 9 00:00:27,340 --> 00:00:30,950 Speaker 1: mothers out there. Happy Mother's Day. Happy Mother's Day. 10 00:00:31,780 --> 00:00:34,580 Speaker 1: How to say Happy Mother's Day in Malay, Slamma, Hari 11 00:00:34,848 --> 00:00:38,470 Speaker 1: Ibu Ibu in Korean. 12 00:00:44,139 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: Because we're celebrating Mother's Day. We thought of doing something 13 00:00:47,529 --> 00:00:50,180 Speaker 1: a bit more closer to the heart. This is an 14 00:00:50,189 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: episode that's a bit more reflective. So as we take 15 00:00:53,049 --> 00:00:55,150 Speaker 1: you guys through this journey, we hope that you will 16 00:00:55,159 --> 00:00:58,759 Speaker 1: also recount on your journey with your mother. 17 00:00:58,770 --> 00:01:01,689 Speaker 2: And we know the word mother comes with a lot 18 00:01:01,700 --> 00:01:03,310 Speaker 2: of weight, especially to us $3. 19 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,980 Speaker 2: This right. We all feel very differently about it. Of course, 20 00:01:05,989 --> 00:01:08,620 Speaker 2: people may have different mother figures, it may not be 21 00:01:08,629 --> 00:01:11,139 Speaker 2: your blood mother. So as we go through this episode, 22 00:01:11,150 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 2: think about who is like a mother to you and 23 00:01:14,449 --> 00:01:17,809 Speaker 2: what that kind of love entails, right? Because they always 24 00:01:17,819 --> 00:01:20,220 Speaker 2: say a mother's love is like the best love in 25 00:01:20,230 --> 00:01:24,279 Speaker 2: the world. Do you also think that because there's that 26 00:01:24,290 --> 00:01:24,860 Speaker 2: saying 27 00:01:25,180 --> 00:01:27,669 Speaker 2: people tend to have a lot of pressure on their mothers? 28 00:01:28,110 --> 00:01:30,970 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, of course. And I feel like a 29 00:01:30,980 --> 00:01:33,900 Speaker 1: lot of us myself included tend to forget that our 30 00:01:33,910 --> 00:01:37,190 Speaker 1: mothers is also their first time being a mother. So 31 00:01:37,199 --> 00:01:39,238 Speaker 1: of course, you know, we got to give them some 32 00:01:39,250 --> 00:01:41,628 Speaker 1: room to make mistakes. We can't say for 33 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,599 Speaker 1: ourselves that you know, when we become others, we will 34 00:01:43,610 --> 00:01:47,209 Speaker 1: be 100% the perfect mother figure nobody can be that. 35 00:01:47,220 --> 00:01:49,809 Speaker 1: So I think a bit of like love patience come 36 00:01:49,819 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: into play for this one can faster a bit. 37 00:01:51,809 --> 00:01:53,419 Speaker 2: I need a little hazy to squish 38 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,290 Speaker 1: a little hazy. Ok, I try but I think Jamie 39 00:01:57,300 --> 00:01:57,910 Speaker 1: will be first 40 00:01:59,809 --> 00:02:01,250 Speaker 1: a little to me a little 41 00:02:01,260 --> 00:02:04,940 Speaker 2: joy. So they always say, you know, a mother's love 42 00:02:04,949 --> 00:02:09,399 Speaker 2: knows no bounds. What does a mother's love mean to 43 00:02:09,410 --> 00:02:10,229 Speaker 2: you girls? Ok. 44 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:16,259 Speaker 1: For me, three words, unwavering, unconditional and sometimes unhinged, 45 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,789 Speaker 1: right? Isn't it so accurate? Like for my mom, I 46 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,109 Speaker 1: know she's always there for me, my elder sister and 47 00:02:25,119 --> 00:02:27,388 Speaker 1: my younger brother, like she's always trying to be 48 00:02:27,619 --> 00:02:32,289 Speaker 1: that perfect figure for us. But sometimes, you know, she 49 00:02:32,300 --> 00:02:35,910 Speaker 1: has her own emotions, she has her own little tantrums. 50 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,589 Speaker 1: So that can come across as a little unhinged. But 51 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,570 Speaker 1: then we give and take because I mean, all three 52 00:02:42,580 --> 00:02:47,389 Speaker 1: of us Children, we have our emotions as well. No 53 00:02:47,399 --> 00:02:52,589 Speaker 1: longer is no longer Miss Kira. I've been replaced. 54 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:53,270 Speaker 2: Why are you now? 55 00:02:56,220 --> 00:03:00,728 Speaker 2: Sad. I think your mother's law. I agree. Right. It's unconditional. 56 00:03:01,059 --> 00:03:04,130 Speaker 2: But I also do think that it's very nurturing. It's 57 00:03:04,139 --> 00:03:07,008 Speaker 2: one that, you know, it just wants the best for you, 58 00:03:07,020 --> 00:03:10,529 Speaker 2: even though the execution may be kind of annoying sometimes, 59 00:03:10,619 --> 00:03:13,070 Speaker 2: you know, but your mom just wants the best for 60 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,690 Speaker 2: you since you were born, you know, whatever it was food, 61 00:03:16,699 --> 00:03:19,038 Speaker 2: you know, your necessities, taking care of you, changing your 62 00:03:19,050 --> 00:03:19,410 Speaker 2: diapers 63 00:03:19,514 --> 00:03:21,853 Speaker 2: till this day. It's just the same love in a 64 00:03:21,865 --> 00:03:22,573 Speaker 2: different form, 65 00:03:22,585 --> 00:03:25,054 Speaker 1: right? And I feel like to this point, I'm still 66 00:03:25,065 --> 00:03:27,815 Speaker 1: like a baby girl in my mother's eye, like she's 67 00:03:27,824 --> 00:03:30,095 Speaker 1: still so afraid that I will do the wrong thing, 68 00:03:30,104 --> 00:03:33,684 Speaker 1: say the wrong things and make the wrong decisions. But sometimes, 69 00:03:33,695 --> 00:03:35,524 Speaker 1: you know, I have to remind her that mom I'm 70 00:03:35,535 --> 00:03:38,845 Speaker 1: really 30. So please just let me do what I 71 00:03:38,854 --> 00:03:41,634 Speaker 1: want to do. What about for you? What should a 72 00:03:41,645 --> 00:03:42,975 Speaker 1: mother's love be to you? 73 00:03:43,339 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: Any keywords? I 74 00:03:44,250 --> 00:03:46,940 Speaker 2: think I'm here to be the devil. And I think, 75 00:03:48,820 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 2: and I think I wanna say that whatever a mother's 76 00:03:54,089 --> 00:03:57,199 Speaker 2: love looks like to you or whatever you think it 77 00:03:57,559 --> 00:04:00,020 Speaker 2: should be in your mind whether or not it's what 78 00:04:00,029 --> 00:04:02,928 Speaker 2: you experience at the end of the day, I feel 79 00:04:02,940 --> 00:04:05,669 Speaker 2: like I wish people looked at it as more of 80 00:04:05,679 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: a human to human relationship. 81 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:12,509 Speaker 2: You know, because I think everybody has a different experience 82 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,699 Speaker 2: with the word mother. Everybody has a different journey with 83 00:04:15,710 --> 00:04:21,859 Speaker 2: it as well. And not everybody has the textbook answer 84 00:04:21,869 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 2: to it. You know what I mean? We have a 85 00:04:23,010 --> 00:04:25,510 Speaker 2: textbook answer. But then whether or not that's experience is 86 00:04:25,519 --> 00:04:27,950 Speaker 2: a different thing altogether. And I think because of that 87 00:04:27,959 --> 00:04:31,929 Speaker 2: textbook answer or expectation of that word, a lot of people, 88 00:04:33,140 --> 00:04:38,890 Speaker 2: hm, tend to feel that that's how they should have 89 00:04:38,899 --> 00:04:41,869 Speaker 2: had it. But I think a lot of people actually, 90 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:43,769 Speaker 2: and we've had so many episodes in this as well 91 00:04:43,910 --> 00:04:48,109 Speaker 2: have very complicated relationships with their mother. And I, I 92 00:04:48,119 --> 00:04:52,790 Speaker 2: think because of that as well, I don't necessarily like 93 00:04:53,100 --> 00:04:55,529 Speaker 2: the expectation or the, 94 00:04:57,170 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 2: the weight that comes with a certain title. I feel 95 00:05:00,329 --> 00:05:02,049 Speaker 2: like at the end of the day, everybody's their own 96 00:05:02,059 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 2: person and you don't, you're not entitled to certain things 97 00:05:06,170 --> 00:05:09,618 Speaker 2: just because you carry certain titles. No. Absolutely. Just because 98 00:05:09,630 --> 00:05:12,589 Speaker 2: you are mother doesn't mean that, you know, like you said, 99 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,070 Speaker 2: all the other things come with it. Right. Being a 100 00:05:15,079 --> 00:05:20,190 Speaker 2: mother has its responsibility, correct has accountability. And mothers 101 00:05:20,445 --> 00:05:24,144 Speaker 2: can be like Azura said a complicated day for those 102 00:05:24,154 --> 00:05:26,734 Speaker 2: who don't have a good relationship with their mothers, their 103 00:05:26,744 --> 00:05:30,583 Speaker 2: mothers are not present or they've lost their moms. Yeah. 104 00:05:30,595 --> 00:05:32,394 Speaker 2: I think it can be a day where it's like 105 00:05:32,404 --> 00:05:34,954 Speaker 2: Valentine's Day. Right. If you don't have a partner, you're like, 106 00:05:34,964 --> 00:05:36,674 Speaker 2: you know, or if you're like on the rocks with 107 00:05:36,684 --> 00:05:38,734 Speaker 2: your partner, your marriage is on the rocks. You're like, 108 00:05:38,744 --> 00:05:40,515 Speaker 2: I don't really know how I feel about this day. 109 00:05:40,524 --> 00:05:43,315 Speaker 2: I think Mother's Day. Father's Day is the same. Agree. Agree. 110 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: There's this next question by our producer on the script 111 00:05:46,290 --> 00:05:49,140 Speaker 1: that I have no answer to. So to me, I 112 00:05:49,149 --> 00:05:50,909 Speaker 1: don't know whether you have an answer to this. When 113 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,350 Speaker 1: was the first time you felt a mother's love? When 114 00:05:53,359 --> 00:05:53,670 Speaker 1: was the 115 00:05:53,678 --> 00:05:55,579 Speaker 2: first time I felt a mother's love 116 00:05:55,589 --> 00:05:58,779 Speaker 1: for me? I say there's no answer to this because 117 00:05:59,630 --> 00:06:02,790 Speaker 1: I feel like ever since I've had memory or I'm 118 00:06:02,799 --> 00:06:05,470 Speaker 1: conscious of what I'm doing, I have already felt my 119 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:10,118 Speaker 1: mother's presence. So she's always been with me from when 120 00:06:10,130 --> 00:06:12,450 Speaker 1: I was born, of course, all the way to now. 121 00:06:12,459 --> 00:06:15,868 Speaker 1: So I can't really recall the first time I felt 122 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:16,609 Speaker 1: her love. 123 00:06:16,619 --> 00:06:18,450 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I think 124 00:06:20,178 --> 00:06:24,140 Speaker 2: probably like my earliest core memory would be and I 125 00:06:24,149 --> 00:06:26,909 Speaker 2: didn't really understand it till much later was that my 126 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,829 Speaker 2: mom actually gave up her career when my brother and 127 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,450 Speaker 2: I entered primary school to become a full time caretaker. 128 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,669 Speaker 2: And I didn't realize how much of a sacrifice that 129 00:06:37,678 --> 00:06:40,118 Speaker 2: is because you think about that now for us, right? Like, 130 00:06:40,130 --> 00:06:42,149 Speaker 2: I don't know if I can make that sacrifice for 131 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:42,799 Speaker 2: my kids. You know, 132 00:06:42,850 --> 00:06:46,809 Speaker 2: you can't. Yeah, exactly. And it was, I'm pretty sure 133 00:06:46,820 --> 00:06:48,829 Speaker 2: I had something to do with that because every time 134 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,290 Speaker 2: she was at work and last time her work used 135 00:06:51,299 --> 00:06:52,970 Speaker 2: to end at five, but she's an accountant. She just 136 00:06:52,980 --> 00:06:55,659 Speaker 2: comes home on time. Right. But I would call her 137 00:06:55,670 --> 00:06:59,940 Speaker 2: incessantly using my house phone at like 455. I'll be 138 00:06:59,950 --> 00:07:02,339 Speaker 2: like mommy. What are you coming home? I miss you. 139 00:07:02,350 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 2: I love, you can come home faster, things like that. 140 00:07:04,928 --> 00:07:05,589 Speaker 2: Me too. 141 00:07:05,690 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, every 10 minutes, right. We were annoying kids. 142 00:07:09,609 --> 00:07:11,529 Speaker 1: Is it? But I think as a mother, it must 143 00:07:11,540 --> 00:07:13,790 Speaker 1: be so sweet to receive such calls, right? Like 144 00:07:13,799 --> 00:07:16,899 Speaker 2: how is it? A heart pain? You know, then as 145 00:07:16,910 --> 00:07:20,549 Speaker 2: I got older I realized, wow, that was a big sacrifice. 146 00:07:20,559 --> 00:07:23,649 Speaker 2: And probably, you know, the first instance of like major 147 00:07:23,660 --> 00:07:27,670 Speaker 1: love. So how would you celebrate Mother's Day this year actually? 148 00:07:27,679 --> 00:07:28,549 Speaker 1: Do you plan? 149 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,630 Speaker 2: Yeah, I should. What? When is it 150 00:07:34,429 --> 00:07:36,220 Speaker 1: actually, what is it? Actually? 151 00:07:36,230 --> 00:07:40,429 Speaker 2: Actually when is it 20 minutes? May 2nd, second, Sunday 152 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,589 Speaker 2: of May, right? Second Sunday of me. You forget. Usually 153 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:50,369 Speaker 2: mother's Day entails flowers, a cake and a dinner. Yeah, 154 00:07:50,380 --> 00:07:51,820 Speaker 2: it's very standard a lunch or a dinner. 155 00:07:51,829 --> 00:07:54,220 Speaker 1: If I got the first two for my mom, we 156 00:07:54,230 --> 00:07:57,140 Speaker 1: would get scolded because she would be like flow and cake. 157 00:07:57,239 --> 00:08:00,980 Speaker 1: No waste money here. No, no, no. 158 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,799 Speaker 1: Now he has taken over for my family. We like 159 00:08:06,809 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: usually take my mom out but she would have opinions 160 00:08:10,450 --> 00:08:12,140 Speaker 1: on where she wants to eat. I don't know if 161 00:08:12,149 --> 00:08:13,959 Speaker 1: this is the same for all Asian mothers, but she 162 00:08:13,970 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: wants to dine at places where she can use her 163 00:08:17,649 --> 00:08:20,899 Speaker 1: Amex card to get more points. Or if like she's 164 00:08:20,910 --> 00:08:24,279 Speaker 1: a member of this mall, she can gain like stars 165 00:08:24,290 --> 00:08:26,079 Speaker 1: and the rewards and points like that. It will make 166 00:08:26,089 --> 00:08:28,179 Speaker 1: her really, really happy. So I, 167 00:08:28,450 --> 00:08:31,660 Speaker 1: you know, the whole family will be like, ok mom 168 00:08:31,670 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 1: this small again, let's go. 169 00:08:33,330 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 2: Maybe the gift is not the dinner, but it's choosing 170 00:08:35,770 --> 00:08:37,349 Speaker 2: the place. That's the gift. Actually, that's a 171 00:08:37,359 --> 00:08:38,599 Speaker 1: good way to look at it. She 172 00:08:39,979 --> 00:08:40,429 Speaker 2: can choose whatever 173 00:08:40,630 --> 00:08:44,090 Speaker 1: she want. So like her birthday or like Mother's Day, 174 00:08:44,099 --> 00:08:46,650 Speaker 1: we usually let her choose. But when it comes to 175 00:08:46,659 --> 00:08:49,669 Speaker 1: my father's birthday or like Father's Day, she ends up 176 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:54,150 Speaker 1: choosing as well. Is that, is that? Yeah, so I 177 00:08:54,159 --> 00:08:55,630 Speaker 1: think Mother's Day 178 00:08:55,789 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: celebration doesn't have to be very, very complicated, just a 179 00:08:59,210 --> 00:09:02,010 Speaker 1: simple dinner or lunch. Like what Jimmy mentioned, I think 180 00:09:02,020 --> 00:09:03,719 Speaker 1: it would be more than enough to make them happy 181 00:09:03,729 --> 00:09:04,739 Speaker 1: and feel loved. Of 182 00:09:04,750 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 2: course, you know, they always say like same with Valentine's 183 00:09:07,890 --> 00:09:10,169 Speaker 2: or every day is like Valentine's Day. You know, you 184 00:09:10,179 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 2: have to show love every day. Just as with your mom, 185 00:09:12,330 --> 00:09:14,699 Speaker 2: you have to show gratitude every day and some days 186 00:09:14,710 --> 00:09:16,979 Speaker 2: are harder than others. But at the end of the day, 187 00:09:16,989 --> 00:09:19,619 Speaker 2: you know, they gave birth to you, you know, they 188 00:09:19,630 --> 00:09:22,299 Speaker 2: all they've done for you over the years you should 189 00:09:22,309 --> 00:09:22,900 Speaker 2: thank them. 190 00:09:23,210 --> 00:09:26,098 Speaker 2: Not just on Mother's Day, right? Not just on that 191 00:09:26,109 --> 00:09:29,239 Speaker 2: one day and mothers is so crucial in our lives, right? 192 00:09:29,250 --> 00:09:31,929 Speaker 2: And I saw this video on tiktok that our producers 193 00:09:31,940 --> 00:09:35,119 Speaker 2: actually showed to us it's like a little girl, right? 194 00:09:35,130 --> 00:09:37,919 Speaker 2: Who is being asked by her mother? Like, what's it 195 00:09:37,929 --> 00:09:40,599 Speaker 2: like having me as a mom? Very cute. And she 196 00:09:40,609 --> 00:09:43,270 Speaker 2: said things like my soul would melt away if I 197 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:43,789 Speaker 2: had to live 198 00:09:43,885 --> 00:09:47,765 Speaker 2: without you mom. So at the end of the day, right? 199 00:09:47,775 --> 00:09:50,465 Speaker 2: Like you always hear people saying like, no matter what 200 00:09:50,474 --> 00:09:53,135 Speaker 2: age you are, you always look for your mom, like 201 00:09:53,275 --> 00:09:56,574 Speaker 2: no matter how old you are, whatever it is, like 202 00:09:56,635 --> 00:10:00,525 Speaker 2: something in you I feel will always want to look 203 00:10:00,534 --> 00:10:04,104 Speaker 2: for your mother. And I also think that's why sometimes 204 00:10:04,155 --> 00:10:04,505 Speaker 2: it 205 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:10,390 Speaker 2: over complicates the relationship because let's say in scenarios, right, 206 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,950 Speaker 2: where it's less ideal for you where you grew up, 207 00:10:13,969 --> 00:10:19,108 Speaker 2: you know, maybe without the best of relationships with your mother, right? 208 00:10:19,119 --> 00:10:20,869 Speaker 2: Because there are people at the end of the day, right? 209 00:10:21,239 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 2: And I think that is why people tend to tolerate 210 00:10:24,890 --> 00:10:25,750 Speaker 2: a lot more 211 00:10:26,590 --> 00:10:30,510 Speaker 2: the parents. Like we know people who let's say are 212 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:35,409 Speaker 2: mistreated by their parents who just had terrible childhood growing up, right? 213 00:10:35,919 --> 00:10:39,849 Speaker 2: Or you know, their parents are just not great for them. 214 00:10:39,859 --> 00:10:42,890 Speaker 2: But I think people tend to take a lot more 215 00:10:43,219 --> 00:10:45,090 Speaker 2: to save that relationship 216 00:10:45,969 --> 00:10:49,530 Speaker 2: as compared to if someone else did that to you. 217 00:10:49,539 --> 00:10:51,608 Speaker 2: You would have cut it off a long time ago. Yeah, 218 00:10:51,619 --> 00:10:54,109 Speaker 2: I think it's because it's blood like same goes for 219 00:10:54,119 --> 00:10:58,369 Speaker 2: like your sibling, same goes for whoever's in your immediate family. 220 00:10:58,380 --> 00:11:00,289 Speaker 2: You always give them a bit more of a leeway, 221 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:02,989 Speaker 2: of course, than someone who's a random stranger. 222 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,710 Speaker 1: And I find that even at the age of 30 223 00:11:04,794 --> 00:11:09,534 Speaker 1: I still crave for my mom's approval and I know 224 00:11:09,544 --> 00:11:11,494 Speaker 1: that it's not all the time I get it because 225 00:11:11,505 --> 00:11:13,565 Speaker 1: I think I've mentioned this before. I feel like her 226 00:11:13,575 --> 00:11:16,085 Speaker 1: first reaction or her first instinct to all of my 227 00:11:16,094 --> 00:11:19,734 Speaker 1: decisions is to question them or like reject it first. 228 00:11:20,135 --> 00:11:22,784 Speaker 1: And there's no good reason why she would reject it. 229 00:11:23,005 --> 00:11:23,494 Speaker 1: And 230 00:11:24,130 --> 00:11:28,098 Speaker 1: that actually traumatizes me. Like looking back like I feel 231 00:11:28,109 --> 00:11:31,090 Speaker 1: fear every time I'm trying to communicate my next step 232 00:11:31,099 --> 00:11:32,069 Speaker 1: with her. Actually, you've 233 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,669 Speaker 2: mentioned this because in a previous episode that when you 234 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,210 Speaker 2: were growing up because of these repeated incidences, you kind 235 00:11:38,219 --> 00:11:40,900 Speaker 2: of didn't really want to open up to your mom anymore. 236 00:11:41,010 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 1: So I think growing up, it really wasn't easy opening 237 00:11:44,570 --> 00:11:45,390 Speaker 1: up to my mom 238 00:11:46,119 --> 00:11:48,739 Speaker 1: up to the point. Like even when I made major 239 00:11:48,750 --> 00:11:51,700 Speaker 1: decisions in my life, I will only tell her like 240 00:11:51,710 --> 00:11:54,739 Speaker 1: inform her about it, not even ask her for her approval, 241 00:11:54,750 --> 00:11:56,869 Speaker 1: but of course, did down in my heart, I wish 242 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,630 Speaker 1: that I could have been like other mother, daughter pairs 243 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,909 Speaker 1: out there where they can communicate and just go through 244 00:12:03,919 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 1: major life decisions together. Like I would have loved it 245 00:12:07,450 --> 00:12:07,869 Speaker 1: if 246 00:12:09,099 --> 00:12:11,690 Speaker 1: we could have, for example, looked at my property together. 247 00:12:11,780 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 1: But that would just have been a bit tough and troublesome. 248 00:12:15,849 --> 00:12:18,489 Speaker 1: So I would rather have skipped it. You know what 249 00:12:18,500 --> 00:12:19,109 Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, 250 00:12:19,250 --> 00:12:22,599 Speaker 2: I think sometimes it's also about protecting your own, you know, 251 00:12:22,710 --> 00:12:26,340 Speaker 2: your own energy, my own sanity, your own sanity. Because 252 00:12:26,419 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 2: moms they nag right all the time, especially Asian mom. They, 253 00:12:30,669 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 2: you know, they always like, question 254 00:12:32,385 --> 00:12:35,525 Speaker 2: what you wear, the questioning where you go, like how 255 00:12:35,534 --> 00:12:37,445 Speaker 2: late you come home, no matter how old you are, 256 00:12:37,515 --> 00:12:39,724 Speaker 2: where it's a standard. And of course, as you grow 257 00:12:39,734 --> 00:12:42,034 Speaker 2: older after you move out after you have kids, I 258 00:12:42,044 --> 00:12:46,085 Speaker 2: find that the relationship with moms actually improve. I agree. Yeah. 259 00:12:46,094 --> 00:12:49,804 Speaker 1: Actually some space apart is good, is good. Is it 260 00:12:49,815 --> 00:12:51,684 Speaker 1: easy for you to open up to your mom? Now, Jimmy, 261 00:12:52,489 --> 00:12:54,830 Speaker 2: the thing is that my mom and I, we don't 262 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,209 Speaker 2: really have very deep, deep conversations. Me and my dad 263 00:12:58,219 --> 00:13:01,659 Speaker 2: have deeper conversations at the moment because we talk about 264 00:13:01,669 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 2: work and things like that. But me and my mom, 265 00:13:03,969 --> 00:13:05,460 Speaker 2: I think it's mostly just about 266 00:13:05,799 --> 00:13:08,119 Speaker 2: what's going on in life and keeping her updated because 267 00:13:08,130 --> 00:13:10,228 Speaker 2: I don't really tell my dad that. Right. I don't really. Oh, yeah. 268 00:13:10,239 --> 00:13:12,228 Speaker 2: I'm going to Bali this weekend. I don't tell my 269 00:13:12,239 --> 00:13:14,419 Speaker 2: bad things like that, but my mom is there for 270 00:13:14,429 --> 00:13:17,099 Speaker 2: those things. Right. She's there for, like, the, and she 271 00:13:17,109 --> 00:13:19,409 Speaker 2: loves doing this. Right. I feel like it's her way 272 00:13:19,419 --> 00:13:21,669 Speaker 2: of showing me love. She will watch a lot of 273 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,190 Speaker 2: live streams. She loves shopping on live streams still. Yeah. 274 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:26,848 Speaker 2: She's been doing that for years. 275 00:13:27,049 --> 00:13:29,140 Speaker 2: Every time I go home for lunch, she's on a 276 00:13:29,150 --> 00:13:32,030 Speaker 2: live stream trying to buy something. I don't know. So, 277 00:13:32,039 --> 00:13:35,469 Speaker 2: she will buy clothes on live stream. Right. And then 278 00:13:35,479 --> 00:13:37,909 Speaker 2: the next week she'll be like, girl, this one too 279 00:13:37,919 --> 00:13:41,099 Speaker 2: small for me you wear, then it's like five different brats. 280 00:13:41,380 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: I'm like, really? Like you bought five of them too 281 00:13:44,890 --> 00:13:48,169 Speaker 2: small for you. I was like, is it really for me? 282 00:13:48,890 --> 00:13:51,069 Speaker 2: And it's happened so many times that I'm just convinced 283 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:52,969 Speaker 2: that she buys them for me but she like p 284 00:13:53,169 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 2: to say or something. 285 00:13:54,090 --> 00:13:57,549 Speaker 1: My mom does the exact same thing she buys from soppy, 286 00:13:58,469 --> 00:14:00,590 Speaker 1: soppy and then she goes, oh, this one is too 287 00:14:00,599 --> 00:14:04,478 Speaker 1: small for me. Maybe you take it so cute. Right. Honestly, 288 00:14:04,489 --> 00:14:06,419 Speaker 1: they are the cutest, so they have their ways of 289 00:14:06,429 --> 00:14:06,750 Speaker 1: showing 290 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 2: love for sure. You don't need to, don't compare your relationship, 291 00:14:10,500 --> 00:14:13,260 Speaker 2: your mom to anyone else. Right. You don't need to like, 292 00:14:13,270 --> 00:14:15,390 Speaker 2: or if you see that mother and daughter, they're like 293 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,390 Speaker 2: best friends. Pff, they go do this together. But I 294 00:14:18,409 --> 00:14:23,150 Speaker 1: am envious. I, I have a friend. She's so close 295 00:14:23,159 --> 00:14:26,530 Speaker 1: to her mother that like they planned her 21st birthday 296 00:14:26,539 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: party together. It was this incredible party at Sentosa. We 297 00:14:29,450 --> 00:14:31,809 Speaker 1: went and like, her mom was like a friend. 298 00:14:31,890 --> 00:14:34,190 Speaker 1: We were like sitting on the Flamingo float together, like, 299 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,489 Speaker 1: just having fun together. And I always see them on 300 00:14:37,500 --> 00:14:40,429 Speaker 1: each other's stories. They go out shopping, they do their 301 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,869 Speaker 1: hair together. That's so cool. 302 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,700 Speaker 2: Right. Is that the kind of mom you want to be? Yes. 303 00:14:45,919 --> 00:14:47,869 Speaker 2: What about you? What kind of mom would you want 304 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,969 Speaker 2: to be if you do become a mom? I think 305 00:14:51,979 --> 00:14:53,229 Speaker 2: one that 306 00:14:53,940 --> 00:14:56,369 Speaker 1: I think I know, ok, I think I want to 307 00:14:56,380 --> 00:14:58,559 Speaker 1: like party with the Children. 308 00:15:00,479 --> 00:15:04,330 Speaker 2: I mean to do it anyway. Right? Might as well 309 00:15:04,340 --> 00:15:05,159 Speaker 2: meet other people. 310 00:15:06,559 --> 00:15:07,150 Speaker 1: I knew 311 00:15:07,169 --> 00:15:10,309 Speaker 2: it. I will also take your kids partying by the way, 312 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,010 Speaker 2: go with me. What other 313 00:15:12,099 --> 00:15:14,489 Speaker 1: people know I will stay at home and I'll pick 314 00:15:14,500 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: you guys up at 2 a.m. Wonderful. 315 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,770 Speaker 2: I think I would hope that I can be a 316 00:15:20,780 --> 00:15:23,780 Speaker 2: safe space for my Children. Right? And I know it's 317 00:15:23,789 --> 00:15:26,739 Speaker 2: very difficult. Imagine I give you a scenario, your 15 318 00:15:26,750 --> 00:15:28,630 Speaker 2: year old daughter comes up to you and says mom, 319 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 2: I'm pregnant. I want to keep the baby because I 320 00:15:31,770 --> 00:15:34,849 Speaker 2: love this boy that I'm with how to be a 321 00:15:34,859 --> 00:15:35,669 Speaker 2: safe space. 322 00:15:36,309 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 2: Tough. Right? See you all thing being a mom is 323 00:15:39,010 --> 00:15:40,849 Speaker 2: easier until this kind of shit happens. 324 00:15:40,989 --> 00:15:43,919 Speaker 1: Honestly, it's gonna be so tough for me to give 325 00:15:43,929 --> 00:15:45,369 Speaker 1: an answer to my daughter to be 326 00:15:45,380 --> 00:15:46,979 Speaker 2: the best friend to be the, 327 00:15:47,179 --> 00:15:49,559 Speaker 1: to not like, blame her first to be a friend 328 00:15:49,570 --> 00:15:51,309 Speaker 1: to her. Don't 329 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,340 Speaker 2: you think that in that situation you would sound exactly 330 00:15:53,349 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 2: like your mom? Oh, my 331 00:15:54,330 --> 00:15:56,239 Speaker 1: gosh. I would, I actually would actually. 332 00:15:56,250 --> 00:15:59,849 Speaker 2: So let's not judge our mothers too harshly. Yeah. Right. 333 00:15:59,859 --> 00:16:00,770 Speaker 2: I think nobody 334 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,659 Speaker 2: perfect that we said they are humans and at the 335 00:16:03,669 --> 00:16:06,039 Speaker 2: end of the day we love them for what they're 336 00:16:06,049 --> 00:16:09,020 Speaker 2: good for. You know, we don't have to acknowledge the 337 00:16:09,030 --> 00:16:09,969 Speaker 2: things we don't want to 338 00:16:09,979 --> 00:16:12,289 Speaker 1: correct. OK. And today is a day to celebrate our 339 00:16:12,299 --> 00:16:15,119 Speaker 1: mother's love is Mother's Day. So Jeremy and I were 340 00:16:15,130 --> 00:16:18,799 Speaker 1: actually tasked by our producers to pen down a letter 341 00:16:18,809 --> 00:16:22,239 Speaker 1: for our mothers. I'm excited and I'm gonna read it here. OK. 342 00:16:22,250 --> 00:16:24,030 Speaker 1: On this J me, you want to go first? 343 00:16:24,039 --> 00:16:26,330 Speaker 2: OK. OK. OK. 344 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:32,070 Speaker 2: I think, OK, I will send this to my mom 345 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:33,989 Speaker 2: like me reading it because I could never see it 346 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:41,210 Speaker 2: to her face. But OK, my dearest mini mini as 347 00:16:41,219 --> 00:16:45,020 Speaker 2: Mother's Day approaches, I find myself reflecting on the countless 348 00:16:45,030 --> 00:16:48,609 Speaker 2: ways that you've shaped my life with your love and sacrifice. 349 00:16:48,940 --> 00:16:52,349 Speaker 2: Words could never fully capture the depth of how thankful 350 00:16:52,359 --> 00:16:54,669 Speaker 2: I am. But let me just try to express a 351 00:16:54,679 --> 00:16:55,580 Speaker 2: fraction of it. 352 00:16:56,460 --> 00:16:59,140 Speaker 2: When I was seven, you made the decision to leave 353 00:16:59,150 --> 00:17:02,580 Speaker 2: behind your career and become our full time caretaker, which 354 00:17:02,590 --> 00:17:05,750 Speaker 2: is a sacrifice that I'll never fully comprehend but will 355 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 2: forever be grateful for when I was 10 I remember 356 00:17:09,170 --> 00:17:12,469 Speaker 2: you would fry me to and from school every single day. 357 00:17:12,530 --> 00:17:15,260 Speaker 2: And the highlight of my afternoons was seeing you wait 358 00:17:15,343 --> 00:17:18,223 Speaker 2: for me in the car with a fresh tupperware of 359 00:17:18,234 --> 00:17:21,803 Speaker 2: delicious fried noodles, which is such a simple gesture, but 360 00:17:21,813 --> 00:17:24,504 Speaker 2: it has become a core memory for me. And as 361 00:17:24,513 --> 00:17:26,973 Speaker 2: I devoured those noodles on the way home, I would 362 00:17:26,984 --> 00:17:29,523 Speaker 2: share every detail of my day with you knowing that 363 00:17:29,534 --> 00:17:32,073 Speaker 2: you are always there to listen with open arms and 364 00:17:32,083 --> 00:17:35,203 Speaker 2: a loving heart. Now, when I was 15, I must 365 00:17:35,213 --> 00:17:38,163 Speaker 2: admit that I wasn't the easiest daughter to deal with. 366 00:17:38,394 --> 00:17:40,342 Speaker 2: And I look back now with a lot of regret 367 00:17:40,354 --> 00:17:40,953 Speaker 2: in my heart 368 00:17:41,540 --> 00:17:44,719 Speaker 2: knowing that I caused you a lot of unnecessary worry 369 00:17:44,729 --> 00:17:47,949 Speaker 2: and stress. And I want to take this opportunity to 370 00:17:47,959 --> 00:17:51,339 Speaker 2: apologize to you because I never did from the bottom 371 00:17:51,349 --> 00:17:53,630 Speaker 2: of my heart for any pain that I caused you. 372 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,709 Speaker 2: During that time. I think you deserve nothing but love 373 00:17:56,719 --> 00:17:59,869 Speaker 2: and respect. And there were some moments that I could 374 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:01,030 Speaker 2: not provide that to you. 375 00:18:01,829 --> 00:18:05,410 Speaker 2: When I was 22 life became busier and our time 376 00:18:05,420 --> 00:18:09,449 Speaker 2: together grew shorter, but you were always a constant presence 377 00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:11,819 Speaker 2: and there to lend a helping hand when I need 378 00:18:11,829 --> 00:18:14,409 Speaker 2: it the most. Now at 28 379 00:18:15,170 --> 00:18:17,750 Speaker 2: I am who I am because of you, because of 380 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,989 Speaker 2: your love, your strength, your resilience. And I'm forever grateful 381 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,459 Speaker 2: for the lessons that you have imparted to me. You 382 00:18:24,469 --> 00:18:27,209 Speaker 2: are truly the heart and soul of our family and 383 00:18:27,219 --> 00:18:29,310 Speaker 2: I am endlessly blessed to call you my mom. 384 00:18:30,599 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 2: We love your girl. 385 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:34,459 Speaker 2: I mean, 386 00:18:36,010 --> 00:18:37,140 Speaker 1: that's so sweet. 387 00:18:38,790 --> 00:18:42,729 Speaker 1: She started teaming up from the second paragraph. The part 388 00:18:42,770 --> 00:18:45,530 Speaker 1: with the Tupperware and fried noodles. Yeah. She started tearing up. 389 00:18:46,099 --> 00:18:49,319 Speaker 2: Got bangs and white glasses. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like this 390 00:18:50,260 --> 00:18:54,089 Speaker 2: my Chong uniform. You know what happened in school today? 391 00:18:54,290 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 2: I give this to my mom this, Well, I 392 00:18:58,010 --> 00:19:00,689 Speaker 1: wouldn't give this letter to my mother. Why can we 393 00:19:00,699 --> 00:19:02,968 Speaker 2: send her the video? Let me hear it. Let me 394 00:19:02,979 --> 00:19:03,849 Speaker 2: hear it. I actually 395 00:19:03,859 --> 00:19:07,130 Speaker 1: addressed this in the opening of my letter 396 00:19:09,459 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: dear mama. Hi. I don't know if what I'm saying 397 00:19:12,689 --> 00:19:14,530 Speaker 1: now will even get through to you because I know 398 00:19:14,540 --> 00:19:18,599 Speaker 1: you support all of my works except Harsh Podcast simply 399 00:19:18,609 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: because you don't understand English. 400 00:19:21,069 --> 00:19:23,910 Speaker 1: But perhaps this gives me courage to verbalize what's really 401 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,329 Speaker 1: on my mind knowing there's a chance you might not 402 00:19:26,339 --> 00:19:30,250 Speaker 1: hear it. First of all, happy Mother's day. I remember 403 00:19:30,260 --> 00:19:32,129 Speaker 1: as a little girl, you were who I wanted to 404 00:19:32,140 --> 00:19:34,889 Speaker 1: be with all the time. I wouldn't let you go. 405 00:19:34,900 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: Even if you had to leave for work, you coax 406 00:19:37,290 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 1: me to sleep. And by the time I woke up 407 00:19:39,209 --> 00:19:42,209 Speaker 1: from the nap, you were gone and I would bawl 408 00:19:42,219 --> 00:19:46,130 Speaker 1: my eyes out. I've been so, so dependent on you 409 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:47,890 Speaker 1: and 410 00:19:48,939 --> 00:19:51,369 Speaker 1: in all my years of growing up, we've gone through 411 00:19:51,380 --> 00:19:54,959 Speaker 1: so many challenges and obstacles I remember being such a 412 00:19:54,969 --> 00:19:58,060 Speaker 1: tough kid to handle when I was undergoing puberty and 413 00:19:58,069 --> 00:20:00,660 Speaker 1: all I wanted to do was to impress my friends 414 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,699 Speaker 1: and be that cool girl who hangs out until late. 415 00:20:04,229 --> 00:20:06,930 Speaker 1: You would scold me and say things like I only 416 00:20:06,939 --> 00:20:09,609 Speaker 1: treat this house as a hotel. Is that very familiar 417 00:20:09,719 --> 00:20:11,139 Speaker 1: or Asian mothers do that right? 418 00:20:11,739 --> 00:20:14,239 Speaker 1: Where I come back to sleep and leave the next morning, 419 00:20:14,780 --> 00:20:16,979 Speaker 1: our relationship took a turn for the worse because we 420 00:20:16,989 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: really could not understand each other. And this has always 421 00:20:20,170 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: been a huge regret in my heart. I wished I 422 00:20:22,569 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: handled situations better. 423 00:20:25,349 --> 00:20:27,958 Speaker 1: Now, I've just turned 30 just got a place of 424 00:20:27,969 --> 00:20:30,929 Speaker 1: my own as a little girl, I would never have 425 00:20:30,939 --> 00:20:33,050 Speaker 1: imagined there would come a point in time when I'm 426 00:20:33,060 --> 00:20:36,250 Speaker 1: only seeing you once a weekend instead of every day, 427 00:20:36,989 --> 00:20:40,250 Speaker 1: it still pains me to say this. But I would 428 00:20:40,260 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: never have thought that this space and time apart would 429 00:20:43,810 --> 00:20:45,050 Speaker 1: actually be good for us. 430 00:20:45,829 --> 00:20:48,229 Speaker 1: To be very honest. I have a lot of feelings 431 00:20:48,239 --> 00:20:55,609 Speaker 1: when it comes to you, compassion, resentment, patience, helplessness, support 432 00:20:55,869 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 1: and above everything else. Love. 433 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,079 Speaker 1: I guess what they say is true. It's always a 434 00:21:01,089 --> 00:21:04,949 Speaker 1: work in progress. I wished you understood me more. I 435 00:21:04,959 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: know you also wish I understood you more. But this 436 00:21:07,770 --> 00:21:11,140 Speaker 1: will always be an ongoing journey because in this lifetime, 437 00:21:11,150 --> 00:21:13,060 Speaker 1: we will always be mother and daughter. 438 00:21:13,959 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: I guess the point of this letter is me making 439 00:21:15,930 --> 00:21:18,530 Speaker 1: a promise to you to be a better version of 440 00:21:18,540 --> 00:21:20,060 Speaker 1: myself every time I see you. 441 00:21:20,949 --> 00:21:22,780 Speaker 1: I know I don't always act according to what you 442 00:21:22,790 --> 00:21:26,030 Speaker 1: think is right. But please mama, please know that I'm 443 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,489 Speaker 1: ready to call the shots for myself and bear my 444 00:21:28,500 --> 00:21:32,719 Speaker 1: own consequences. That's it. I will forever want you to 445 00:21:32,729 --> 00:21:34,140 Speaker 1: still treat me like a baby. 446 00:21:34,819 --> 00:21:37,290 Speaker 1: I know you love me and I love you too. 447 00:21:37,339 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: Mu Qing Jie Ka Mama with love in Shang. 448 00:21:43,130 --> 00:21:44,859 Speaker 2: She can understand the last line. 449 00:21:47,189 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: She probably like go back and like repeat this, but 450 00:21:50,170 --> 00:21:52,849 Speaker 1: I've never sent her a single harsh podcast 451 00:21:52,859 --> 00:21:55,910 Speaker 2: episode. Would you like translate this to Chinese and just 452 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,540 Speaker 2: like slip it under her door? And I think it 453 00:21:58,550 --> 00:21:58,890 Speaker 2: would mean a 454 00:21:58,900 --> 00:22:00,619 Speaker 1: lot too awkward for them too. 455 00:22:00,969 --> 00:22:01,979 Speaker 2: Everybody 456 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: is doing. No, really. No. 457 00:22:04,050 --> 00:22:06,369 Speaker 2: You guys should all write letters to your mom honestly. 458 00:22:06,380 --> 00:22:08,209 Speaker 2: Like even if it's not to give her 459 00:22:08,699 --> 00:22:11,839 Speaker 2: the process of writing that letter brought back a lot 460 00:22:11,849 --> 00:22:16,099 Speaker 2: of memories that I had completely forgotten about. It's very 461 00:22:16,109 --> 00:22:18,329 Speaker 2: easy to forget how much someone has done for you 462 00:22:18,339 --> 00:22:20,738 Speaker 2: in your life, right? Until you really sit down and 463 00:22:20,750 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 2: think about it. 464 00:22:22,949 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: I feel like if our producers didn't give us this task, 465 00:22:26,290 --> 00:22:29,339 Speaker 1: I would never have done this. So thank you. Thank 466 00:22:29,349 --> 00:22:29,890 Speaker 1: you guys. 467 00:22:29,900 --> 00:22:32,270 Speaker 2: Now that you've done it, would you do it again 468 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:33,369 Speaker 2: at some point in your life? 469 00:22:35,739 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 2: Like on your own accord? 470 00:22:37,989 --> 00:22:38,939 Speaker 2: Probably not 471 00:22:38,949 --> 00:22:41,489 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little hard for me to be honest. 472 00:22:41,500 --> 00:22:45,699 Speaker 1: Probably not. But if she sees this episode then, yeah, 473 00:22:46,180 --> 00:22:47,899 Speaker 1: if not, that's ok, 474 00:22:47,910 --> 00:22:51,819 Speaker 2: we'll make sure she sees it. Subtitle it and subtitle it. 475 00:22:51,829 --> 00:22:54,209 Speaker 2: Who can speak Mandarin contact us and tell us 476 00:22:55,729 --> 00:22:59,739 Speaker 2: there are some other letters that our producers actually put 477 00:22:59,750 --> 00:23:02,770 Speaker 2: here from people online who have penned letters to their moms. 478 00:23:02,780 --> 00:23:03,010 Speaker 2: And 479 00:23:03,719 --> 00:23:07,430 Speaker 2: this first letter that I read, I just, I lost it. 480 00:23:07,439 --> 00:23:08,020 Speaker 2: It was, 481 00:23:08,839 --> 00:23:11,219 Speaker 2: it was very emotional. I think maybe A Z if 482 00:23:11,229 --> 00:23:14,319 Speaker 2: you don't mind, you can read that first letter out 483 00:23:14,369 --> 00:23:18,819 Speaker 2: for us guys. I'm a baby. I will try to 484 00:23:18,829 --> 00:23:22,050 Speaker 2: try to the best of my abilities. Ok? It's OK. 485 00:23:23,199 --> 00:23:28,260 Speaker 2: This is written by someone called Becca. Becca. Yes. So 486 00:23:28,270 --> 00:23:31,419 Speaker 2: she says first of all, this is a letter to 487 00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:34,479 Speaker 2: an absent mother, alive, but absent, alive but absent 488 00:23:35,500 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 2: mom. It's been nearly 15 years since you left. I've 489 00:23:39,290 --> 00:23:41,790 Speaker 2: seen your face only three times since. 490 00:23:42,479 --> 00:23:42,510 Speaker 2: Mm 491 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:47,939 Speaker 2: Do you want me to do it? Ok. OK. 492 00:23:49,339 --> 00:23:53,129 Speaker 2: It says mom, it's been nearly 15 years since you left. 493 00:23:53,229 --> 00:23:56,669 Speaker 2: I've seen your face only three times since. But one 494 00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 2: night this past August, I needed answers. I needed you 495 00:24:01,510 --> 00:24:03,869 Speaker 2: for the first time in 15 years. I made the 496 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,670 Speaker 2: call I've been wanting to make for so long, but 497 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,670 Speaker 2: I couldn't, I was brave enough to take that first step. 498 00:24:10,199 --> 00:24:12,550 Speaker 2: I made the call to a number. I wasn't even 499 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,849 Speaker 2: sure was yours and partially hoping you wouldn't answer. 500 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:17,290 Speaker 2: But you did. 501 00:24:18,459 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 2: There was driving in my car not knowing where to begin. 502 00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:24,969 Speaker 2: The fact that I had to start our conversation with 503 00:24:24,979 --> 00:24:28,770 Speaker 2: this is Becca. Your daughter tells a person everything they 504 00:24:28,780 --> 00:24:30,609 Speaker 2: would need to know about our situation. 505 00:24:31,630 --> 00:24:33,839 Speaker 2: The pain and anger that built up from all those 506 00:24:33,849 --> 00:24:38,420 Speaker 2: years created a fortress of hatred and it disintegrated on 507 00:24:38,430 --> 00:24:39,449 Speaker 2: the first ring. 508 00:24:40,180 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 2: I unleashed everything. I had the tears, the yelling, everything 509 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,579 Speaker 2: and I felt a weight lift but just like a tsunami, 510 00:24:49,589 --> 00:24:53,020 Speaker 2: there's always a second wave. As soon as relief set 511 00:24:53,030 --> 00:24:55,140 Speaker 2: in your answers brought the pain back. 512 00:24:55,859 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 2: You let me vent all the thoughts and feelings of 513 00:24:58,010 --> 00:25:00,790 Speaker 2: a little girl left by her mom a decade ago 514 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,239 Speaker 2: when she needed her most. You only interjected with the 515 00:25:04,250 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 2: occasional I'm sorry. And I know a baby girl 516 00:25:08,819 --> 00:25:11,790 Speaker 2: and at the end of my tear filled runny nosed address, 517 00:25:12,060 --> 00:25:14,849 Speaker 2: I finally asked the question, the question that would make 518 00:25:14,859 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 2: or break my heart and love for you. 519 00:25:17,540 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 2: Why? A simple enough question. 520 00:25:20,609 --> 00:25:22,790 Speaker 2: But I can imagine for a mother trying to explain 521 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,180 Speaker 2: her 15 year absence to her youngest child. It was 522 00:25:26,189 --> 00:25:28,849 Speaker 2: one of the biggest questions of your life. A question 523 00:25:28,859 --> 00:25:33,150 Speaker 2: filled with hate, sadness, longing, and most of all confusion 524 00:25:34,109 --> 00:25:38,250 Speaker 2: after many excuses, I became more demanding for a real answer. 525 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,859 Speaker 2: And that's when the heartbreak became worse than I would 526 00:25:40,869 --> 00:25:43,250 Speaker 2: have ever thought was possible. You said 527 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,109 Speaker 2: I don't know what to say. 528 00:25:45,869 --> 00:25:47,810 Speaker 2: I really don't have an excuse or a reason 529 00:25:48,780 --> 00:25:49,319 Speaker 2: for that. 530 00:25:50,469 --> 00:25:53,329 Speaker 2: And just like that, I knew that all the unforgiving 531 00:25:53,339 --> 00:25:54,810 Speaker 2: feelings to what you were just 532 00:25:56,079 --> 00:25:56,819 Speaker 2: as such. 533 00:25:58,959 --> 00:25:59,859 Speaker 2: There was no reason. 534 00:26:00,770 --> 00:26:03,959 Speaker 2: It wasn't a lack of love. It wasn't because of me. 535 00:26:04,219 --> 00:26:05,550 Speaker 2: It wasn't something I did. 536 00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:09,369 Speaker 2: There was nothing I could have done to have prevented 537 00:26:09,380 --> 00:26:12,449 Speaker 2: it from happening. And you had no excuse, 538 00:26:13,699 --> 00:26:15,729 Speaker 2: that second wave nearly drowned me. 539 00:26:16,630 --> 00:26:19,609 Speaker 2: And now months later, even though it hurt like crazy, 540 00:26:19,619 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 2: I'm glad I called. I'm glad I got to say 541 00:26:22,130 --> 00:26:24,650 Speaker 2: what I needed to. And I got an answer even 542 00:26:24,660 --> 00:26:27,209 Speaker 2: though it wasn't the one I wanted. I was expecting 543 00:26:27,219 --> 00:26:30,479 Speaker 2: some big reason or apology for those 15 years. And 544 00:26:30,489 --> 00:26:32,839 Speaker 2: I'm not really what I really expected in all honesty, 545 00:26:32,849 --> 00:26:36,650 Speaker 2: but I feel good after everything. Every late night crying, 546 00:26:36,660 --> 00:26:39,429 Speaker 2: every awkward pause. When someone asked me about my parents, 547 00:26:39,540 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 2: every time I miss having someone to call mom, 548 00:26:42,750 --> 00:26:45,969 Speaker 2: I can still work on forgiving you despite everything 549 00:26:46,890 --> 00:26:50,429 Speaker 2: and because of you, I will be the best mother. 550 00:26:50,890 --> 00:26:53,930 Speaker 2: I will never let my Children question their worth or 551 00:26:53,939 --> 00:26:56,859 Speaker 2: my love for a second of their lives. I will 552 00:26:56,869 --> 00:26:59,859 Speaker 2: never let them feel alone or unimportant 553 00:27:00,589 --> 00:27:03,489 Speaker 2: because of you. I'm making it my life goal to 554 00:27:03,500 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 2: be a mother. My Children can rely on a mother. 555 00:27:06,930 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 2: My Children can confide in, can snuggle up with, can 556 00:27:10,369 --> 00:27:13,770 Speaker 2: be friends with and can always count on to tell 557 00:27:13,780 --> 00:27:17,839 Speaker 2: the truth and more than anything, a mother who will 558 00:27:17,849 --> 00:27:20,609 Speaker 2: always be there. Your daughter, Becca. 559 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:22,500 Speaker 2: Wow. 560 00:27:26,089 --> 00:27:27,229 Speaker 2: I'm a child. 561 00:27:28,150 --> 00:27:29,540 Speaker 1: Ara is crying so much. 562 00:27:30,939 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 2: I cry about everything like ice. 563 00:27:33,189 --> 00:27:33,968 Speaker 1: Oh, quite better. 564 00:27:35,170 --> 00:27:37,489 Speaker 1: I, I can imagine like, how much this letter would 565 00:27:37,500 --> 00:27:38,170 Speaker 1: speak to you as well. 566 00:27:39,150 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 1: Any thoughts 567 00:27:40,989 --> 00:27:41,780 Speaker 1: too many? 568 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,780 Speaker 2: Um Yeah, I think that's why I always feel like, um, 569 00:27:49,500 --> 00:27:51,829 Speaker 2: I don't know, I just always, 570 00:27:52,790 --> 00:27:54,420 Speaker 2: it's always at the back of my mind and I 571 00:27:54,430 --> 00:27:56,839 Speaker 2: always feel a little bit more for, uh, 572 00:27:58,030 --> 00:28:01,739 Speaker 2: people with absent mothers. Uh, 573 00:28:02,939 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 2: do you know who, who had to make the call 574 00:28:05,770 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 2: to 575 00:28:08,089 --> 00:28:14,609 Speaker 2: cut family off? People who hadn't experience less than what 576 00:28:14,619 --> 00:28:16,869 Speaker 2: they were being told it was supposed to be? 577 00:28:17,530 --> 00:28:20,390 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think that happens a lot more than 578 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:25,770 Speaker 2: we think and because it's so common but also because 579 00:28:25,780 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 2: of what we're always being told of what mother should be. 580 00:28:29,209 --> 00:28:31,069 Speaker 2: I think these people, um, 581 00:28:31,949 --> 00:28:33,930 Speaker 2: then to look for it a little harder. 582 00:28:35,189 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, and you may spend, like, years or a 583 00:28:39,170 --> 00:28:42,959 Speaker 2: long time questioning, um, if this was what I was 584 00:28:42,969 --> 00:28:46,140 Speaker 2: told what a mother should be or I said not 585 00:28:46,150 --> 00:28:49,910 Speaker 2: my experience or am I asking for too much if 586 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,689 Speaker 2: that's how I feel or? That's how I think in 587 00:28:53,699 --> 00:28:56,650 Speaker 2: my mind it's supposed to look like, but it's something 588 00:28:56,660 --> 00:28:58,890 Speaker 2: I've never had. Yeah. And I think 589 00:28:59,859 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 2: a lot of people feel that way. It's just that 590 00:29:01,770 --> 00:29:04,310 Speaker 2: maybe they don't they don't say it. It's just to 591 00:29:04,319 --> 00:29:07,770 Speaker 2: varying degrees, of course. And there's a saying, I think 592 00:29:07,780 --> 00:29:11,060 Speaker 2: it was by Oprah Winfrey. She said that biology is 593 00:29:11,069 --> 00:29:14,660 Speaker 2: the least of what makes someone a mother. And that 594 00:29:14,670 --> 00:29:18,479 Speaker 2: couldn't be more true just because someone gave birth to 595 00:29:18,489 --> 00:29:23,359 Speaker 2: you and we call them mother. Right. Not birth giver. Right. Right. 596 00:29:23,420 --> 00:29:26,699 Speaker 2: But there's so many other qualities of a mother that 597 00:29:26,709 --> 00:29:27,959 Speaker 2: makes a mom 598 00:29:27,969 --> 00:29:29,599 Speaker 1: that are so much more important 599 00:29:30,099 --> 00:29:33,359 Speaker 1: um for viewers or listeners here on the harsh podcast. 600 00:29:33,619 --> 00:29:37,020 Speaker 1: If you have lost your mother, we are very sorry 601 00:29:37,030 --> 00:29:39,780 Speaker 1: about that. But this next letter may speak to you. 602 00:29:40,189 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: This is 603 00:29:41,890 --> 00:29:43,209 Speaker 1: by someone called mender. 604 00:29:44,260 --> 00:29:46,140 Speaker 1: So this is a letter to her mom who has 605 00:29:46,150 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: passed dear mom, writing this letter to you reminds me 606 00:29:50,290 --> 00:29:52,140 Speaker 1: of all the notes I used to write to you 607 00:29:52,150 --> 00:29:55,410 Speaker 1: when I was little. Remember those I can't believe you 608 00:29:55,420 --> 00:29:58,609 Speaker 1: kept them all. It's been nearly two years since we 609 00:29:58,619 --> 00:30:01,410 Speaker 1: lost you to cancer. But in some ways I feel 610 00:30:01,420 --> 00:30:05,689 Speaker 1: that our relationship is stronger than ever, so much has happened. 611 00:30:05,699 --> 00:30:09,439 Speaker 1: And I have imagined you cheering me on at every turn. 612 00:30:10,150 --> 00:30:13,020 Speaker 1: I'm making positive steps in my career and I have 613 00:30:13,030 --> 00:30:16,569 Speaker 1: good friends around me, a lovely boyfriend. I am in 614 00:30:16,579 --> 00:30:19,530 Speaker 1: good health. I did another 10-K run last year in 615 00:30:19,540 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: your memory and I went traveling for a month just 616 00:30:22,689 --> 00:30:25,170 Speaker 1: like I told you I would. Everything I do is 617 00:30:25,180 --> 00:30:27,569 Speaker 1: marked with the thought of you, which spurs me on 618 00:30:27,579 --> 00:30:30,839 Speaker 1: every day to try and achieve good things. As painful 619 00:30:30,849 --> 00:30:33,369 Speaker 1: as it still is without you, you always say to 620 00:30:33,380 --> 00:30:36,130 Speaker 1: me do your best, which is what I keep in 621 00:30:36,140 --> 00:30:37,010 Speaker 1: mind every day. 622 00:30:37,829 --> 00:30:40,410 Speaker 1: You knew me inside out. Even if I tried to 623 00:30:40,420 --> 00:30:43,410 Speaker 1: hide something from you, you could instantly tell something was 624 00:30:43,420 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: up just by the sound of my voice. 625 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,369 Speaker 1: I miss that closeness so much. 626 00:30:49,010 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: You were just wonderful. You were kind funny, soft, stubborn, caring, 627 00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:00,310 Speaker 1: and fiercely loyal above all. You were brave. You lived 628 00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:04,439 Speaker 1: with cancer for nearly 13 years and strangely, it became 629 00:31:04,449 --> 00:31:07,069 Speaker 1: a normal part of our lives and you never complained 630 00:31:07,719 --> 00:31:10,130 Speaker 1: you were one in a million. And I am eternally 631 00:31:10,140 --> 00:31:11,739 Speaker 1: grateful for having had you. 632 00:31:12,540 --> 00:31:15,420 Speaker 1: As I told you at the end, I'll love you forever. 633 00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:18,119 Speaker 1: And I am so grateful for the mother that you 634 00:31:18,130 --> 00:31:22,079 Speaker 1: were to me. Happy mother's day love manda 635 00:31:23,839 --> 00:31:27,780 Speaker 1: man. As I was reading this, I was just tearing 636 00:31:27,790 --> 00:31:28,540 Speaker 1: up last night. 637 00:31:29,969 --> 00:31:35,540 Speaker 1: I'm Yeah, it's tough. Recently, I had a friend who 638 00:31:35,550 --> 00:31:39,270 Speaker 1: lost her father due to cancer as well. That whole 639 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,810 Speaker 1: journey took nine months. I can't imagine manda here having 640 00:31:42,819 --> 00:31:46,650 Speaker 1: to leave for 13 years with a mother who is 641 00:31:46,660 --> 00:31:50,140 Speaker 1: suffering from cancer. It's just insane. I think the 642 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,599 Speaker 2: most heartbreaking part is 643 00:31:53,709 --> 00:31:58,010 Speaker 2: when they can't see the person that you will eventually become. 644 00:31:59,050 --> 00:32:04,050 Speaker 2: They can't, you know, see who you marry your kids, 645 00:32:04,060 --> 00:32:08,589 Speaker 2: you know, whatever you achieve from that point on. But we, 646 00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:11,390 Speaker 2: we kind of hope that they are looking down from 647 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,650 Speaker 2: somewhere and they are watching over you even though they 648 00:32:14,660 --> 00:32:18,030 Speaker 2: are not physically here. Agree. And in a lot of 649 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,719 Speaker 2: these cases, right. Absent mothers or mothers who are no 650 00:32:22,729 --> 00:32:23,949 Speaker 2: longer around anymore, 651 00:32:24,780 --> 00:32:28,859 Speaker 2: I think we find solace in, in other mother figures. Correct. 652 00:32:28,869 --> 00:32:31,410 Speaker 2: There are so many mothers on this earth and I 653 00:32:31,439 --> 00:32:34,739 Speaker 2: just think in general, a lot of women are very nurturing, 654 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,599 Speaker 2: whether they have kids or not. Do you remember Su Lee? 655 00:32:37,609 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 2: We had on a few episodes ago, she doesn't have kids, 656 00:32:40,770 --> 00:32:42,599 Speaker 2: but the way that she was talking to us was 657 00:32:42,609 --> 00:32:46,270 Speaker 2: so nurturing, right? I felt like I felt very loved 658 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 2: in the moment even though it was a lot of 659 00:32:47,689 --> 00:32:49,449 Speaker 2: nagging of like, don't spend money 660 00:32:49,564 --> 00:32:52,094 Speaker 1: on a $5. Hello, kitty key chain that she bought 661 00:32:52,104 --> 00:32:52,625 Speaker 1: and regretted. 662 00:32:52,635 --> 00:32:55,824 Speaker 2: Exactly. So you can get that sort of love and 663 00:32:55,834 --> 00:32:58,574 Speaker 2: comfort and solace from someone who is not necessarily your mom. 664 00:32:58,584 --> 00:33:00,305 Speaker 2: I don't know if you've experienced this but, you know, 665 00:33:00,314 --> 00:33:04,344 Speaker 2: as a lot of people say, sometimes like your relationship 666 00:33:04,354 --> 00:33:08,665 Speaker 2: with your own mother will always be like complicated, but 667 00:33:08,959 --> 00:33:11,810 Speaker 2: sometimes it's easier with someone else. You know what I mean? 668 00:33:12,069 --> 00:33:15,060 Speaker 2: And I've seen this many times where I know people 669 00:33:15,069 --> 00:33:18,979 Speaker 2: who have very complicated relationships with their mothers and I 670 00:33:18,989 --> 00:33:21,660 Speaker 2: know these stories, but the mothers and I get along really, 671 00:33:21,670 --> 00:33:23,979 Speaker 2: really well, you know, and it's one of the, it's 672 00:33:23,989 --> 00:33:26,619 Speaker 2: always like that. Right. Like, for some reason, you know, 673 00:33:26,750 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 2: when it's your own blood, there's just more stress 674 00:33:29,050 --> 00:33:30,150 Speaker 1: on you. Correct. 675 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:30,619 Speaker 2: It's like 676 00:33:30,729 --> 00:33:33,869 Speaker 2: sometimes you see your mothers talk to your friends or 677 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,650 Speaker 2: the way they treat their friends. Oh, my God. No, no. 678 00:33:36,660 --> 00:33:40,189 Speaker 2: Where I see my mom, like, talk to, you know, like, 679 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,369 Speaker 2: like my Godsister, for example. Right. I love them both 680 00:33:43,380 --> 00:33:46,380 Speaker 2: to death. But it's like how come they can have 681 00:33:46,479 --> 00:33:49,540 Speaker 2: the conversations? Like, not like me and my mom every 682 00:33:49,550 --> 00:33:51,829 Speaker 2: time I tell my mom's only I get nagged it. Right. 683 00:33:52,500 --> 00:33:55,380 Speaker 1: So I've considered this question. I'm thinking from the point 684 00:33:55,390 --> 00:33:57,390 Speaker 1: of view of my mom, what was she thinking? She 685 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,140 Speaker 1: must be thinking like, oh my God, if my daughter 686 00:33:59,150 --> 00:34:00,839 Speaker 1: did this, I must stop her immediately because it's not 687 00:34:00,849 --> 00:34:04,979 Speaker 1: good somebody else, you know, talking to her, you also 688 00:34:04,989 --> 00:34:07,079 Speaker 1: not my kid, never mind. Just have fun in life. 689 00:34:07,089 --> 00:34:07,959 Speaker 1: You know 690 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,399 Speaker 2: what I think? You think your mom knows what YOLO 691 00:34:11,409 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: is? Yeah, I think she knows. Does your mom, 692 00:34:14,689 --> 00:34:15,879 Speaker 2: I don't know, I can ask her. 693 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,540 Speaker 1: But, you know, I feel like this episode was very 694 00:34:19,550 --> 00:34:22,540 Speaker 1: important for myself at least because I penned down that 695 00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:24,959 Speaker 1: letter to my mom. I actually forced myself to sit 696 00:34:24,969 --> 00:34:28,229 Speaker 1: down for a good hour and think through all the 697 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,529 Speaker 1: things that I wanted to say to her, 698 00:34:31,449 --> 00:34:34,020 Speaker 1: I deleted a lot of paragraphs by the way, these 699 00:34:34,030 --> 00:34:36,620 Speaker 1: paragraphs made me feel like in Hokkien they call it 700 00:34:36,629 --> 00:34:41,169 Speaker 1: sin like a, like a damn child was so like 701 00:34:41,179 --> 00:34:44,070 Speaker 1: unappreciative of my mom. I mean, my mom and I, 702 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,739 Speaker 1: we have our tough times but I promise I love 703 00:34:46,750 --> 00:34:47,550 Speaker 1: her a lot. 704 00:34:47,770 --> 00:34:52,209 Speaker 2: Whatever relationship you have with your mom, whether or not 705 00:34:52,219 --> 00:34:54,350 Speaker 2: it's complicated, it's good, it's bad. 706 00:34:55,020 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 2: You know, just take this time to honor their memory, right? 707 00:34:59,889 --> 00:35:01,620 Speaker 2: And take this time to think it through. You can 708 00:35:01,629 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 2: pen it down in the letter. It can be just 709 00:35:03,530 --> 00:35:06,219 Speaker 2: for you, you don't have to necessarily give it to them, 710 00:35:06,229 --> 00:35:08,500 Speaker 2: but we promise you it will be, it will be 711 00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:10,699 Speaker 2: a time of reflection and it's always good for that. 712 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,479 Speaker 2: Hm. Hm. And I think that's another thing we also 713 00:35:13,489 --> 00:35:17,860 Speaker 2: want to ensure or, you know, just mention whether, whether 714 00:35:17,870 --> 00:35:20,299 Speaker 2: you've got an absent mom, whether you've lost your mom, 715 00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:23,259 Speaker 2: whether you have been yearning to be a mom. And 716 00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:27,219 Speaker 2: it hasn't happened, whether you've lost a child yourself, whether 717 00:35:27,229 --> 00:35:27,739 Speaker 2: you never 718 00:35:27,814 --> 00:35:30,165 Speaker 2: want to be a mother for a day in your life, 719 00:35:30,175 --> 00:35:34,574 Speaker 2: whatever it is your first parent. Yes, maybe your third parent. 720 00:35:34,584 --> 00:35:38,215 Speaker 2: I think we honor you today and we remember you 721 00:35:38,225 --> 00:35:42,634 Speaker 2: today and whoever feels like a mother to you or 722 00:35:42,645 --> 00:35:44,464 Speaker 2: whoever you feel like a mother to 723 00:35:44,860 --> 00:35:48,689 Speaker 2: you deserve to celebrate Happy Mother's Day. Happy 724 00:35:48,699 --> 00:35:51,989 Speaker 1: Mother's Day. You guys please feel free to share this 725 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,629 Speaker 1: episode with your friends or your family or your mothers. 726 00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:57,679 Speaker 1: You can also find us on Instagram at its clarity.co. 727 00:35:57,689 --> 00:35:58,649 Speaker 1: That's right. You can listen to 728 00:35:58,659 --> 00:36:01,830 Speaker 2: us on Spotify Me. Listen Apple Podcast. I think that's 729 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,810 Speaker 2: a better way to listen to this episode because if 730 00:36:03,820 --> 00:36:06,139 Speaker 2: you watch us on youtube, you'll just see me crying nonstop. 731 00:36:06,250 --> 00:36:08,790 Speaker 2: I was just gonna say please watch us on youtube 732 00:36:09,330 --> 00:36:12,310 Speaker 2: so you can see Azura beautiful face even when she 733 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 2: cries so ugly. Let's use that as this 734 00:36:16,219 --> 00:36:19,090 Speaker 1: thumbnail. Yeah, this was almost in her mouth. You know, 735 00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: like I know I saw that you guys 736 00:36:22,250 --> 00:36:25,889 Speaker 2: gotta watch it. OK? We love you mom. Happy Mother's Day. 737 00:36:25,899 --> 00:36:27,549 Speaker 2: Happy Mother's Day. Yay.