1 00:00:00,009 --> 00:00:02,519 Speaker 1: Hi, say so, hey, sa and I'm Jermaine and welcome 2 00:00:02,529 --> 00:00:05,099 Speaker 1: back to another episode of Clarity, Hush. Fuck. 3 00:00:06,369 --> 00:00:08,989 Speaker 1: I can't believe we have not talked about this on 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,699 Speaker 1: Harsh podcast when I saw it. I was like, yeah, 5 00:00:11,898 --> 00:00:16,690 Speaker 1: makes sense. We want to talk about the power of makeup. 6 00:00:17,159 --> 00:00:22,968 Speaker 1: Is it empowering or is it redundant? Ever said that 7 00:00:22,989 --> 00:00:25,529 Speaker 1: today we have someone that I followed on Tik Tok 8 00:00:25,540 --> 00:00:27,239 Speaker 1: and her videos always come up on my for you 9 00:00:27,250 --> 00:00:31,649 Speaker 1: page for a long time. It's Viv's beauty notes, Vivian, 10 00:00:33,790 --> 00:00:34,459 Speaker 2: oh my God. 11 00:00:36,819 --> 00:00:41,549 Speaker 1: As of the time of recording, she has 52.9 K followers. 12 00:00:41,750 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure by the time you see this, it 13 00:00:43,569 --> 00:00:44,500 Speaker 1: will be much more than that. Oh 14 00:00:44,509 --> 00:00:46,708 Speaker 2: gosh. Thank you so much. Hi, everybody. Thank you for 15 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,459 Speaker 2: having me. I'm Vivian. Nice to meet all of you. So, 16 00:00:49,470 --> 00:00:52,290 Speaker 2: apart from creating content on Tik Tok as well, I'm 17 00:00:52,299 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: also full time makeup artist and I'm so happy to 18 00:00:54,369 --> 00:00:56,540 Speaker 2: be here because like, I always like tell people that 19 00:00:56,549 --> 00:00:58,509 Speaker 2: this is like the girls Girls podcast. 20 00:00:59,270 --> 00:01:01,580 Speaker 2: Yeah. And so I feel like it's like I'm being 21 00:01:01,590 --> 00:01:03,299 Speaker 2: validated as like a girl's girl. You 22 00:01:04,370 --> 00:01:08,190 Speaker 1: so thank you so much. You are. Thank you. Yeah, 23 00:01:08,199 --> 00:01:11,580 Speaker 1: especially her content. It really helps girls out there that 24 00:01:11,589 --> 00:01:15,098 Speaker 1: want to learn how to enhance their beautiful features on 25 00:01:15,110 --> 00:01:18,129 Speaker 1: a budget and things like that. Just so versatile. Great. 26 00:01:18,139 --> 00:01:19,018 Speaker 1: Our makeup today. Oh my 27 00:01:19,419 --> 00:01:23,580 Speaker 2: God. Come 1010 sorry 110. 28 00:01:25,250 --> 00:01:28,250 Speaker 2: No, no, seriously. I'm not even kidding. Like your skin 29 00:01:28,260 --> 00:01:29,899 Speaker 2: looks really good. Skin is like one of the first 30 00:01:29,910 --> 00:01:31,899 Speaker 2: things I look at. I'm getting nervous. She's like I 31 00:01:33,750 --> 00:01:36,709 Speaker 2: want to say right? Like your eyeshadow is so beautiful. 32 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,519 Speaker 2: It's so sly. It's one color. I can tell, I 33 00:01:39,529 --> 00:01:40,099 Speaker 2: can tell that it's 34 00:01:40,250 --> 00:01:42,660 Speaker 2: one color but it's like is just and your lashes 35 00:01:42,669 --> 00:01:43,009 Speaker 2: like 36 00:01:43,900 --> 00:01:49,559 Speaker 1: lashes are so beautiful. She don't even eat falsies natural. 37 00:01:50,169 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: Do you call them babe? No. Oh my God. She 38 00:01:54,129 --> 00:01:55,879 Speaker 1: came out of the womb looking like this. 39 00:01:56,819 --> 00:01:58,989 Speaker 2: Very nice. If you have a chance, please go look 40 00:01:59,000 --> 00:01:59,279 Speaker 2: at 41 00:01:59,339 --> 00:02:03,790 Speaker 1: it is someone that probably doesn't really need makeup. Ok. 42 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: Maybe just eyebrows. 0 100% 43 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,509 Speaker 2: B are also very nice. Oh, you are very pretty. 44 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:09,229 Speaker 2: So putting me on 45 00:02:10,819 --> 00:02:12,858 Speaker 2: you say that it's not. How often 46 00:02:12,869 --> 00:02:14,998 Speaker 1: do we all wear makeup? Let's just go down the 47 00:02:15,008 --> 00:02:17,327 Speaker 1: line hay. How can you wear makeup before that? Can 48 00:02:17,339 --> 00:02:19,569 Speaker 1: I just say the next 45 minutes will just be 49 00:02:19,578 --> 00:02:20,569 Speaker 1: us praising each other 50 00:02:21,199 --> 00:02:23,998 Speaker 2: girls, girls, girls. Ok. 51 00:02:24,008 --> 00:02:27,748 Speaker 1: Honestly, it is getting less and less. I actually enjoy 52 00:02:27,758 --> 00:02:29,928 Speaker 1: going out in my bare skin, my bare face and 53 00:02:30,038 --> 00:02:32,809 Speaker 1: a lot of people ask me a hazel. Are you overworking? 54 00:02:32,819 --> 00:02:35,009 Speaker 1: You look so tired. I'm just like, nah, it's just 55 00:02:35,018 --> 00:02:36,048 Speaker 1: because I don't have makeup on. 56 00:02:36,679 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: I love it. It makes me feel comfortable. It makes 57 00:02:39,008 --> 00:02:41,009 Speaker 1: me feel like my skin can breathe. So last year 58 00:02:41,020 --> 00:02:44,300 Speaker 1: I hosted the NDP and after like eight intense weeks 59 00:02:44,309 --> 00:02:46,559 Speaker 1: of like having full on makeup under the sun, I 60 00:02:46,570 --> 00:02:49,130 Speaker 1: sweat and all of those right, my skin became really, 61 00:02:49,139 --> 00:02:52,850 Speaker 1: really clogged and pimples surfaced. So after that, I really 62 00:02:52,860 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 1: took a step back and allowed my skin to breathe. 63 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 1: You can still see some marks here. Let me just 64 00:02:56,369 --> 00:02:57,299 Speaker 1: show you but 65 00:02:57,401 --> 00:03:00,923 Speaker 1: it's concealable. But right now I just try to tone 66 00:03:00,931 --> 00:03:03,151 Speaker 1: it down a bit more and I would say I 67 00:03:03,162 --> 00:03:06,321 Speaker 1: only wear full face makeup when I have to work 68 00:03:06,332 --> 00:03:09,191 Speaker 1: or like film. So maybe four times a week. Oh 69 00:03:09,203 --> 00:03:11,412 Speaker 1: my gosh. She says you a lot, a lot. Yeah. 70 00:03:11,643 --> 00:03:14,042 Speaker 1: What about you? I try not to wear makeup whenever 71 00:03:14,052 --> 00:03:15,681 Speaker 1: I can. I think I used to wear it a 72 00:03:15,723 --> 00:03:18,022 Speaker 1: little bit less because when it's thick it's thick. Right? 73 00:03:18,195 --> 00:03:20,156 Speaker 1: But now that I'm on the night show and I 74 00:03:20,166 --> 00:03:23,005 Speaker 1: got to go live on tiktok every night. I've got 75 00:03:23,016 --> 00:03:25,416 Speaker 1: a set of everything I use at home at work 76 00:03:25,425 --> 00:03:28,285 Speaker 1: as well and I slap it on every day and 77 00:03:28,296 --> 00:03:30,106 Speaker 1: I'm not very happy about that. But, you know, Tik 78 00:03:30,205 --> 00:03:31,945 Speaker 1: Tok of filters, right? Got beauty. 79 00:03:32,065 --> 00:03:35,166 Speaker 2: Don't know. But I'm like very nice. Actually, I know 80 00:03:35,175 --> 00:03:36,106 Speaker 2: I'm that proud ass 81 00:03:36,115 --> 00:03:38,026 Speaker 1: bitch who likes to go like this are no filter 82 00:03:38,035 --> 00:03:38,606 Speaker 1: by the way, 83 00:03:41,630 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: but I'm very lazy. So really it's just like thin 84 00:03:45,369 --> 00:03:47,539 Speaker 1: blush and brows. Most of the time she can't leave 85 00:03:47,550 --> 00:03:50,479 Speaker 1: the house without brows done. It always has to be 86 00:03:50,490 --> 00:03:54,250 Speaker 1: we call him the 2016 brows what it's 87 00:03:55,149 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: like and like the framing, the face kind of thing 88 00:03:58,940 --> 00:04:00,130 Speaker 2: and cannot in 89 00:04:00,139 --> 00:04:02,419 Speaker 1: 2016 we will say on fleet. Now we don't say that. 90 00:04:02,429 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: Now we say slaves 91 00:04:05,595 --> 00:04:07,945 Speaker 1: wise. I think, you know, similar to hazy. I only 92 00:04:07,955 --> 00:04:10,975 Speaker 1: wear foundation when I have to work or I'm on screen. 93 00:04:10,985 --> 00:04:14,055 Speaker 1: Let me just say J has the best skin the best. 94 00:04:14,175 --> 00:04:18,455 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So really 45 minutes of phrasing each other. 95 00:04:18,466 --> 00:04:24,626 Speaker 1: I love it. Thank you. Oh my God, thanks. So 96 00:04:24,656 --> 00:04:27,096 Speaker 1: that's why I only wear foundation if I really have 97 00:04:27,105 --> 00:04:29,635 Speaker 1: to be on screen because it does make a difference, right? 98 00:04:29,832 --> 00:04:32,791 Speaker 1: Coverage? Makeup. But on the daily it will just be 99 00:04:32,802 --> 00:04:35,002 Speaker 1: I have this saying with my boyfriend where he's like, ok, 100 00:04:35,011 --> 00:04:37,052 Speaker 1: what kind of beat are you doing today? I'll be like, 101 00:04:37,062 --> 00:04:39,462 Speaker 1: I'm going for a 50% beat or I'm going for 102 00:04:39,471 --> 00:04:43,351 Speaker 1: a 25% beat. It's the time. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah, 103 00:04:43,361 --> 00:04:45,212 Speaker 1: because he's like he's like, I only take two minutes 104 00:04:45,221 --> 00:04:46,962 Speaker 1: to get ready. So I need to know how long. 105 00:04:46,971 --> 00:04:50,171 Speaker 1: So he knows now how much a 25% beat is gonna, 106 00:04:50,182 --> 00:04:54,171 Speaker 1: how long is it? How long is about 20 minutes? 107 00:04:54,247 --> 00:05:00,027 Speaker 1: Ok. 5050 is about 4545 100%. Be it like an 108 00:05:00,037 --> 00:05:05,058 Speaker 1: hour and a half with hair. It's a serious, but 109 00:05:05,067 --> 00:05:06,347 Speaker 1: I find it therapeutic. 110 00:05:06,358 --> 00:05:07,947 Speaker 2: Oh my God. I wanna say the same thing. I 111 00:05:07,958 --> 00:05:10,097 Speaker 2: feel like makeup is like therapy. Like the process of 112 00:05:10,108 --> 00:05:14,028 Speaker 2: education is like, it's very, like you're caring for yourself 113 00:05:14,037 --> 00:05:15,078 Speaker 2: and you know. Right. And 114 00:05:15,238 --> 00:05:17,037 Speaker 1: so you just taking your time. Actually, I've got a 115 00:05:17,048 --> 00:05:18,588 Speaker 1: friend who's a singer who very recently 116 00:05:18,664 --> 00:05:21,522 Speaker 1: she told me that she doesn't call a makeup artist anymore, 117 00:05:21,613 --> 00:05:25,044 Speaker 1: even for like TV shows because she can't sit there 118 00:05:25,053 --> 00:05:27,563 Speaker 1: or justify sitting there for like three hours doing nothing. 119 00:05:27,574 --> 00:05:32,204 Speaker 1: She rather do herself and just like enjoy that process, right? 120 00:05:32,403 --> 00:05:34,704 Speaker 1: But it's different like today I engage a makeup artist 121 00:05:34,713 --> 00:05:36,734 Speaker 1: to do my look. I don't think I could have 122 00:05:36,743 --> 00:05:38,944 Speaker 1: achieved this on my own also because I'm too impatient 123 00:05:38,954 --> 00:05:40,683 Speaker 1: for this. Oh my God. The falsies. 124 00:05:43,820 --> 00:05:45,328 Speaker 2: Yeah. But that's the effect that you get like, 125 00:05:45,339 --> 00:05:50,170 Speaker 1: really, really? I love the glitters. Yeah. Thank you. And 126 00:05:50,178 --> 00:05:52,489 Speaker 1: this color really suits your skin tone as well. Shout 127 00:05:52,500 --> 00:05:59,029 Speaker 1: out to my makeup. So, so as a makeup content creator, 128 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,959 Speaker 1: as well as a full time makeup artist, how often 129 00:06:01,970 --> 00:06:02,390 Speaker 1: do you wear 130 00:06:02,399 --> 00:06:04,750 Speaker 2: makeup? So I have a mid days and I have 131 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 2: days where I'm either filming or going out to do 132 00:06:08,010 --> 00:06:08,709 Speaker 2: makeup for people 133 00:06:09,260 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 2: at mid days, I usually don't wear anything because like, 134 00:06:12,290 --> 00:06:14,980 Speaker 2: I'm at home anyway. I don't like, I'm just comfortable 135 00:06:14,988 --> 00:06:17,390 Speaker 2: and I want my skin to breathe when I'm doing 136 00:06:17,399 --> 00:06:20,140 Speaker 2: makeup for people. It's actually super minimal because I'll be 137 00:06:20,149 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: wearing the mask and everything. Right. So I also don't 138 00:06:22,329 --> 00:06:25,208 Speaker 2: need a lot of things. And the only time I 139 00:06:25,220 --> 00:06:28,029 Speaker 2: really wear like a full face, it would be when 140 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,390 Speaker 2: I'm either filming or when I have like events or 141 00:06:31,399 --> 00:06:32,329 Speaker 2: anything that I'm going. 142 00:06:33,309 --> 00:06:34,100 Speaker 1: How many percent 143 00:06:34,109 --> 00:06:37,309 Speaker 2: beat is this? I would say this is pretty much 100%. Ok. 144 00:06:37,380 --> 00:06:38,070 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a very 145 00:06:38,154 --> 00:06:39,045 Speaker 1: natural be, 146 00:06:39,113 --> 00:06:42,214 Speaker 2: I don't think I suit like very, very heavy makeup. 147 00:06:42,445 --> 00:06:44,234 Speaker 2: So I usually no, but that's 148 00:06:44,244 --> 00:06:47,454 Speaker 1: how, you know, someone is skilled. There's probably like many 149 00:06:47,464 --> 00:06:51,075 Speaker 1: steps in this but it looks so natural. How long 150 00:06:51,084 --> 00:06:52,665 Speaker 2: did it take for you to do this? I would 151 00:06:52,674 --> 00:06:56,454 Speaker 2: say today actually 30 minutes because I actually have extensions on. Yeah. 152 00:06:56,464 --> 00:06:59,725 Speaker 2: So I usually take very, very long for lashes because 153 00:06:59,734 --> 00:07:02,755 Speaker 2: I really love the process and the look of like 154 00:07:02,765 --> 00:07:05,654 Speaker 2: nice lashes. So I would say 30 minutes including hair. 155 00:07:05,665 --> 00:07:06,125 Speaker 2: This is 156 00:07:06,135 --> 00:07:07,015 Speaker 1: what guys think 157 00:07:07,238 --> 00:07:10,540 Speaker 1: is no makeup. Yes. Yeah. But it's actually a lot, 158 00:07:10,549 --> 00:07:13,799 Speaker 1: it's a lot of skill and steps and it's like 159 00:07:13,809 --> 00:07:17,140 Speaker 1: skin care first. Then makeup I think makeup is so 160 00:07:17,149 --> 00:07:20,239 Speaker 1: powerful I always see on tiktok, right? These videos especially 161 00:07:20,250 --> 00:07:24,220 Speaker 1: China and Asian creators Vietnamese Chinese or Thai where they 162 00:07:24,230 --> 00:07:27,390 Speaker 1: do a before and after and it's like a completely 163 00:07:27,399 --> 00:07:28,149 Speaker 1: different person. 164 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:28,578 Speaker 2: I've seen, 165 00:07:29,260 --> 00:07:32,359 Speaker 1: I've seen a comment recently. I did this Tik Tok 166 00:07:32,369 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: and someone commented like so in my Tik Tok video, 167 00:07:34,929 --> 00:07:35,959 Speaker 1: there were snippets of me 168 00:07:36,045 --> 00:07:38,575 Speaker 1: bare face, right? Going to work preparing for the countdown show. 169 00:07:38,584 --> 00:07:41,434 Speaker 1: And someone commented, wow, hazel, you really look different without 170 00:07:41,445 --> 00:07:44,095 Speaker 1: makeup really? And I was like, ok, first of all, 171 00:07:44,105 --> 00:07:47,024 Speaker 1: is this an insult or is this just a comment? 172 00:07:47,035 --> 00:07:50,654 Speaker 1: So I replied yes, but I actually love this version 173 00:07:50,665 --> 00:07:53,505 Speaker 1: of myself to which she like, yeah, you look good. 174 00:07:53,515 --> 00:07:55,804 Speaker 1: I said ok, but honestly, I feel like I'm a 175 00:07:55,815 --> 00:07:59,105 Speaker 1: different person with and without makeup makeup, I look so tired. 176 00:07:59,114 --> 00:08:01,415 Speaker 1: What's the point of wearing makeup? If you're just gonna 177 00:08:01,424 --> 00:08:03,904 Speaker 1: look like the same person, right? The whole point is 178 00:08:03,915 --> 00:08:04,875 Speaker 1: you look different 179 00:08:05,790 --> 00:08:08,100 Speaker 1: guys. This is the problem with us, right? We find 180 00:08:08,109 --> 00:08:10,380 Speaker 1: like a problem with everything that people say. So let 181 00:08:10,390 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: me tell you recently somebody told me actually with and 182 00:08:13,010 --> 00:08:14,768 Speaker 1: without makeup, you look the same. I got very angry 183 00:08:14,779 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: like I say, I spend so much money for what? 184 00:08:17,730 --> 00:08:20,549 Speaker 2: And it's true. That's what 185 00:08:20,559 --> 00:08:22,529 Speaker 1: my boyfriend tells me all the time. He doesn't, he 186 00:08:22,540 --> 00:08:25,070 Speaker 1: doesn't know what makeup is. I have a question for you. 187 00:08:25,149 --> 00:08:27,970 Speaker 1: So you know, like some people like for example, fitness trainers, 188 00:08:27,980 --> 00:08:30,119 Speaker 1: they'll say that their body or how they look, their 189 00:08:30,130 --> 00:08:32,500 Speaker 1: physique is their business card. Do you feel like, as 190 00:08:32,510 --> 00:08:34,989 Speaker 1: a makeup artist, people look at your makeup and that's like, 191 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,070 Speaker 1: you know, they sort of like, rate your work or 192 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,650 Speaker 1: how skilled you are based 193 00:08:38,659 --> 00:08:41,210 Speaker 2: on your own makeup. Yeah, definitely. I have to admit 194 00:08:41,219 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 2: that sometimes I do feel the need to look good 195 00:08:44,210 --> 00:08:46,169 Speaker 2: when I tell people that I'm a makeup artist. Right. 196 00:08:46,179 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 2: I need to make sure like, oh, my gosh, no 197 00:08:47,500 --> 00:08:49,770 Speaker 2: budging and everything. I feel like in the past, I 198 00:08:49,780 --> 00:08:52,289 Speaker 2: was a little bit more like uptight about it. Probably not, 199 00:08:52,299 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 2: not as much, but I would say that right now 200 00:08:55,330 --> 00:08:57,039 Speaker 2: how I see it is that it's not so much 201 00:08:57,049 --> 00:08:59,599 Speaker 2: of how well my makeup is done, but it's more 202 00:08:59,609 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 2: of like when people honestly there are many good makeup 203 00:09:02,330 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: artists out there, but I feel like right now people 204 00:09:04,530 --> 00:09:07,159 Speaker 2: are looking into the study that you're into. So for example, 205 00:09:07,169 --> 00:09:08,489 Speaker 2: they look at my makeup, they go oh yeah, I 206 00:09:08,500 --> 00:09:10,599 Speaker 2: think like for Vivian, probably her style is a bit 207 00:09:10,609 --> 00:09:13,799 Speaker 2: more like natural enhancement of your natural features because they 208 00:09:13,809 --> 00:09:16,700 Speaker 2: can see it on me. Yeah. So I think it's 209 00:09:16,710 --> 00:09:17,348 Speaker 2: more of that, right? 210 00:09:17,460 --> 00:09:22,429 Speaker 2: Rather than like the, you know, like your here that 211 00:09:23,270 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: the overall, I think enhancement of natural features, it's a 212 00:09:26,409 --> 00:09:29,189 Speaker 1: very subtle kind of way that that's one way to 213 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: use makeup. So if let's say wearing makeup is a spectrum, right? 214 00:09:32,010 --> 00:09:35,829 Speaker 1: That would be on the more like less transformative side 215 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,340 Speaker 1: of makeup, then there's that whole side where it's like 216 00:09:38,349 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: you look like a completely different person. Right? The big, 217 00:09:41,210 --> 00:09:44,409 Speaker 1: big full on glam. I've seen the comments on those videos. 218 00:09:44,419 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: A lot of them are very supportive. Like, wow, that's incredible. 219 00:09:47,419 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 1: Teach me tutorial. Some of them make my blood boil. 220 00:09:51,969 --> 00:09:54,939 Speaker 1: They're like, isn't this lying? Isn't this cheating? It looked 221 00:09:54,950 --> 00:09:57,590 Speaker 1: like a completely different person? One white and it's gone. 222 00:09:57,599 --> 00:09:59,270 Speaker 1: What do you guys think about that? Oh my God. 223 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,419 Speaker 1: Just because you're not patient enough to get your own 224 00:10:01,429 --> 00:10:03,340 Speaker 1: makeup done doesn't mean you have the right to comment 225 00:10:03,349 --> 00:10:06,738 Speaker 1: on other people's efforts. That's what I think, you know, 226 00:10:06,750 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: like in Chinese there's a saying she may which means 227 00:10:11,450 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: there's no ugly women in the world. Only lazy women 228 00:10:13,849 --> 00:10:16,500 Speaker 1: if you feel like you don't look up to your 229 00:10:16,510 --> 00:10:17,270 Speaker 1: own standards. 230 00:10:17,380 --> 00:10:19,830 Speaker 1: Yeah, then just put in some work to do some 231 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: makeup like it would definitely help you look better. I 232 00:10:22,289 --> 00:10:24,239 Speaker 2: think like there was this Tik Tok video that I 233 00:10:24,250 --> 00:10:27,409 Speaker 2: watched quite a while back actually. So there was this 234 00:10:27,419 --> 00:10:29,390 Speaker 2: creator that was saying that she always hear people say 235 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: about like, oh I could never wear so much makeup 236 00:10:31,770 --> 00:10:34,599 Speaker 2: but she was like, can you never wear it or 237 00:10:34,609 --> 00:10:37,789 Speaker 2: can you never do it yourself? So that was something 238 00:10:37,799 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 2: that was like, oh wow. No 239 00:10:39,330 --> 00:10:41,750 Speaker 1: makeup is a skill. It is. Yeah. And doing makeup 240 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,099 Speaker 1: on yourself and doing makeup on someone else is probably different, different, different, 241 00:10:45,130 --> 00:10:47,250 Speaker 1: that's why I respect makeup artists so much 242 00:10:47,340 --> 00:10:50,059 Speaker 1: because everybody's face is different. I've tried doing makeup on 243 00:10:50,070 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: my friends before and it's impossible. I'm like, there's so 244 00:10:52,450 --> 00:10:55,309 Speaker 1: many ridges on your face. You are different from my own. 245 00:10:55,500 --> 00:10:58,419 Speaker 1: And I can't figure out so really big respect to 246 00:10:58,429 --> 00:11:00,799 Speaker 1: makeup artists. It's true. And can I just say that 247 00:11:00,809 --> 00:11:02,949 Speaker 1: just a week ago? Actually, I was at home and 248 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:04,619 Speaker 1: then my mother walks in and she's like, actually I'm 249 00:11:04,630 --> 00:11:07,358 Speaker 1: going for dinner. Can you do my makeup? I was like, ok. 250 00:11:07,609 --> 00:11:10,119 Speaker 1: And then in the half an hour, oh my God, 251 00:11:10,130 --> 00:11:13,479 Speaker 1: my back was hurting. Like, how do they do this? 252 00:11:13,489 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 1: Do you have back problems? 253 00:11:14,570 --> 00:11:17,179 Speaker 2: Hey, I used to that because like, I'm a little bit. 254 00:11:17,729 --> 00:11:19,650 Speaker 2: So like when I first started out, I was very 255 00:11:19,659 --> 00:11:21,770 Speaker 2: uptight about everything, but I want to be like, you know, 256 00:11:21,780 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 2: really lean in and make sure like the person's comfortable 257 00:11:24,770 --> 00:11:26,039 Speaker 2: and things like, so I will be the one who's 258 00:11:26,049 --> 00:11:28,380 Speaker 2: moving around. So I'll be standing but now I'm just 259 00:11:28,390 --> 00:11:30,460 Speaker 2: like before I arrive at the place, if it's a 260 00:11:30,469 --> 00:11:32,929 Speaker 2: house call, I will ask, please prepare like these are 261 00:11:32,940 --> 00:11:35,539 Speaker 2: the logistics I'm gonna need. So there will be a 262 00:11:35,549 --> 00:11:38,260 Speaker 2: chair waiting for me and then I will be like, yeah, 263 00:11:38,270 --> 00:11:40,700 Speaker 2: so we're both comfortable because sometimes like towards the end 264 00:11:40,710 --> 00:11:42,729 Speaker 2: of the session, you're like, if you're uncomfortable, you're not 265 00:11:42,739 --> 00:11:44,869 Speaker 2: able to do a good job anyway. So yeah, sit 266 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,979 Speaker 2: down next time there's no next time 267 00:11:48,010 --> 00:11:51,380 Speaker 1: I think regardless if you choose to wear makeup or 268 00:11:51,390 --> 00:11:53,239 Speaker 1: don't wear makeup or wear a lot of makeup. A 269 00:11:53,250 --> 00:11:56,569 Speaker 1: little bit amount. It's fine. That's your prerogative. I won't 270 00:11:56,580 --> 00:11:59,549 Speaker 1: call it cheating or lying. Actually, I think it's a skill. 271 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: It's like it's o, no. Yeah, it's a form of 272 00:12:01,570 --> 00:12:04,699 Speaker 1: self expression. Right. Like for example, the clothes that you wear, 273 00:12:04,710 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 1: it's your style, but styling yourself is a skill. Makeup 274 00:12:07,849 --> 00:12:10,010 Speaker 1: is just the same thing. It's something that you wear, right? 275 00:12:10,020 --> 00:12:12,070 Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean that I'm trying to change who 276 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,098 Speaker 1: I am. It's just my face. Where do you think 277 00:12:14,109 --> 00:12:16,580 Speaker 1: this idea came from? That? You know, someone is more 278 00:12:16,590 --> 00:12:17,468 Speaker 1: beautiful if 279 00:12:17,572 --> 00:12:21,283 Speaker 1: they already look beautiful without makeup or less makeup because 280 00:12:21,293 --> 00:12:24,143 Speaker 1: there seem to be that idea floating around and we 281 00:12:24,153 --> 00:12:26,713 Speaker 1: don't say that. But other things like clothes, for example, 282 00:12:26,723 --> 00:12:29,822 Speaker 1: or like they always show a compilations of K pop 283 00:12:29,833 --> 00:12:33,283 Speaker 1: idols without makeup and the ones who look almost the 284 00:12:33,293 --> 00:12:36,853 Speaker 1: same without makeup are always praised. What do you think 285 00:12:36,862 --> 00:12:37,403 Speaker 1: about that? I 286 00:12:37,413 --> 00:12:40,301 Speaker 2: feel that it's probably because like the first thing that 287 00:12:40,312 --> 00:12:43,293 Speaker 2: we think of when we see like a person is 288 00:12:43,302 --> 00:12:45,913 Speaker 2: like the face, right? So that's the first idea that 289 00:12:45,922 --> 00:12:47,052 Speaker 2: you got something. Oh is this person like 290 00:12:47,135 --> 00:12:49,635 Speaker 2: probably some people read how good looking this person is 291 00:12:49,815 --> 00:12:52,075 Speaker 2: and then secondary to that they will look at the outfit. 292 00:12:52,085 --> 00:12:54,434 Speaker 2: So probably because the face is the most immediate thing. 293 00:12:54,445 --> 00:12:56,135 Speaker 2: And also probably because the makeup has done so well 294 00:12:56,145 --> 00:12:58,736 Speaker 2: that you are really so easily deceived by the makeup 295 00:12:58,745 --> 00:13:00,995 Speaker 2: rather than like the fit and things like that. I mean, 296 00:13:01,005 --> 00:13:04,015 Speaker 2: the pursuit of beauty has always been there, right? And 297 00:13:04,026 --> 00:13:06,716 Speaker 2: it's always we would be deceiving ourselves if we say 298 00:13:06,726 --> 00:13:09,825 Speaker 2: like makeup has made people more superficial. The thing about 299 00:13:09,835 --> 00:13:12,245 Speaker 2: physical beauty is that there is an aspect of it 300 00:13:12,255 --> 00:13:15,035 Speaker 2: that has always been superficial anyway, but it is more 301 00:13:15,046 --> 00:13:16,596 Speaker 2: of like how it has evolved over 302 00:13:16,698 --> 00:13:20,838 Speaker 2: time that probably people's perceptions have lean towards a certain agree. 303 00:13:20,989 --> 00:13:23,419 Speaker 1: So here's the question. At what age did you go, 304 00:13:23,429 --> 00:13:27,968 Speaker 1: started wearing makeup? I remember very, very clearly when I 305 00:13:27,979 --> 00:13:33,258 Speaker 1: was about 13, I went into my mom's makeup drawer 306 00:13:33,348 --> 00:13:36,258 Speaker 1: and I raided it. I'm sorry, mom, I took like 307 00:13:36,268 --> 00:13:38,929 Speaker 1: half her makeup and this was like, you know, like 308 00:13:38,939 --> 00:13:42,838 Speaker 1: blue eyeshadow, you know, the very bad, like that era. Yeah, 309 00:13:42,848 --> 00:13:45,528 Speaker 1: the old school stuff and I raided her wardrobe and 310 00:13:45,539 --> 00:13:46,028 Speaker 1: I would just 311 00:13:46,261 --> 00:13:48,780 Speaker 1: experiment on myself. I'm pretty sure I can pull up 312 00:13:48,791 --> 00:13:52,601 Speaker 1: photos for our producers of me looking like a mess. Right. 313 00:13:53,111 --> 00:13:55,111 Speaker 1: In the early days of me wearing makeup. It was 314 00:13:55,122 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: just me having fun and I would go out and 315 00:13:57,961 --> 00:14:00,761 Speaker 1: really make up you've done for yourself, which is really bad. 316 00:14:00,771 --> 00:14:02,802 Speaker 1: But that's so cute though. That's so true. Yeah. So 317 00:14:02,812 --> 00:14:05,421 Speaker 1: since a young age, I've always had very keen interest in, 318 00:14:05,432 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: in makeup. And beauty pull the pictures out, please. 319 00:14:08,171 --> 00:14:08,791 Speaker 2: Ok. We 320 00:14:09,331 --> 00:14:10,302 Speaker 1: want to see it. 321 00:14:10,341 --> 00:14:11,301 Speaker 2: I want to see it through. I 322 00:14:11,312 --> 00:14:14,122 Speaker 1: started performing at 11. So that was when I started 323 00:14:14,131 --> 00:14:15,721 Speaker 1: getting makeup done 324 00:14:15,825 --> 00:14:18,244 Speaker 1: on me and probably that was also when I got 325 00:14:18,255 --> 00:14:20,284 Speaker 1: interested to like, I just want to do it for myself, 326 00:14:20,294 --> 00:14:24,505 Speaker 1: you know. Oh, on that regard, then I started really young, 327 00:14:24,515 --> 00:14:26,914 Speaker 1: like 78 years old because of Chinese dance back in 328 00:14:26,924 --> 00:14:28,864 Speaker 1: primary school. You know, whenever you perform, they had to 329 00:14:28,875 --> 00:14:31,525 Speaker 1: put on makeup for you. But if you're asking like 330 00:14:31,534 --> 00:14:35,174 Speaker 1: me doing makeup for myself, I think only secondary three, 331 00:14:35,184 --> 00:14:39,585 Speaker 1: secondary four, about like 1516 years old that I started 332 00:14:39,594 --> 00:14:41,505 Speaker 1: doing it for myself. The first time I did it, 333 00:14:41,515 --> 00:14:43,465 Speaker 1: it looks so awful. I don't know why I thought 334 00:14:43,474 --> 00:14:45,145 Speaker 1: red eye shadow would look good on me. 335 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:49,770 Speaker 1: There was a trend, right? I could achieve it, didn't 336 00:14:49,780 --> 00:14:51,820 Speaker 1: it come back like recently? Yes, it did. Yeah, they 337 00:14:52,150 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: call 338 00:14:52,919 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 2: it like the crying eyes. 339 00:14:55,820 --> 00:14:56,659 Speaker 1: What about 340 00:14:56,669 --> 00:15:00,159 Speaker 2: you, Vivian for myself? I actually started really early nine, 341 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,099 Speaker 2: experimenting with makeup. And the interesting thing about my journey 342 00:15:04,109 --> 00:15:07,250 Speaker 2: is that my mother actually does not put anything on 343 00:15:07,260 --> 00:15:10,159 Speaker 2: her face like with regards to makeup. So for me, 344 00:15:10,169 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: like my earliest memory of how I got into makeup, 345 00:15:13,210 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 2: I used to read a lot of, 346 00:15:15,101 --> 00:15:17,830 Speaker 2: there was this Japanese magazine called Pop Team back in 347 00:15:17,841 --> 00:15:20,142 Speaker 2: the day. I loved it. Oh, my goodness. I'll go 348 00:15:20,151 --> 00:15:22,351 Speaker 2: to the bookstore. I would like, flip through. I spend 349 00:15:22,361 --> 00:15:23,831 Speaker 2: like half an hour there and my mother was like, hey, 350 00:15:23,841 --> 00:15:25,961 Speaker 2: what are you doing? But yeah, I started from there 351 00:15:25,971 --> 00:15:28,771 Speaker 2: and so when people started to pick on like, oh, 352 00:15:28,781 --> 00:15:31,291 Speaker 2: like she likes makeup, then they will buy me. The 353 00:15:31,302 --> 00:15:33,202 Speaker 2: children's like, so hi to the makeup 354 00:15:34,692 --> 00:15:37,161 Speaker 1: and I'm convinced those are really bad for your skin. Honestly, 355 00:15:37,171 --> 00:15:40,072 Speaker 2: they are. And then because my cousins are older and 356 00:15:40,081 --> 00:15:42,702 Speaker 2: so I will go read that, like, make a draw 357 00:15:42,711 --> 00:15:44,521 Speaker 2: and everything. And my mom would, like, she would be 358 00:15:44,624 --> 00:15:47,104 Speaker 2: so angry because the only time where I can put 359 00:15:47,114 --> 00:15:48,664 Speaker 2: on makeup of course is outside of school. So, like, 360 00:15:48,674 --> 00:15:51,304 Speaker 2: when I go to that kind of thing. Yeah. So, 361 00:15:51,314 --> 00:15:53,794 Speaker 2: like starting to experiment, I would say it was during 362 00:15:53,804 --> 00:15:56,393 Speaker 2: that time and yeah, it started from there for me. Yeah. 363 00:15:56,414 --> 00:15:58,633 Speaker 2: Look at you as a Korean now for you. Oh, 364 00:15:58,643 --> 00:16:01,533 Speaker 2: my God. I can't believe this is my life and honestly, yeah, 365 00:16:01,604 --> 00:16:03,383 Speaker 2: I really can't believe this is my life. Like, it 366 00:16:03,393 --> 00:16:06,044 Speaker 2: started out as a hobby as something that I thought 367 00:16:06,054 --> 00:16:08,164 Speaker 2: of course, along the way, like, there were times where 368 00:16:08,174 --> 00:16:10,843 Speaker 2: makeup has been like a form of coping for me 369 00:16:10,854 --> 00:16:12,364 Speaker 2: that there was a period of time where I was 370 00:16:12,374 --> 00:16:14,023 Speaker 2: really insecure about how it looked 371 00:16:14,145 --> 00:16:16,565 Speaker 2: with my hooded lids and things like that. But I think, like, 372 00:16:16,575 --> 00:16:20,015 Speaker 2: makeup has been with me throughout and in the past 373 00:16:20,026 --> 00:16:22,296 Speaker 2: probably people would have thought that even like start to 374 00:16:22,315 --> 00:16:24,366 Speaker 2: early la, that kind of thing. Like my family would 375 00:16:24,375 --> 00:16:27,245 Speaker 2: think that. But now it's my career right now. That's 376 00:16:27,255 --> 00:16:29,866 Speaker 2: one thing. Secondly, it's also like, it's been a journey 377 00:16:29,875 --> 00:16:32,356 Speaker 2: of self discovery, I think, like knowing what kind of 378 00:16:32,366 --> 00:16:35,986 Speaker 2: makeup styles really like, suit my kind of features and like, 379 00:16:35,995 --> 00:16:38,825 Speaker 2: you know, for everybody as well. And is your mom supportive? Oh, 380 00:16:38,835 --> 00:16:41,585 Speaker 2: she used to not be, but she is very now 381 00:16:41,596 --> 00:16:43,325 Speaker 2: she put on makeup on. So, so, 382 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:44,690 Speaker 1: yeah. Did you 383 00:16:44,700 --> 00:16:47,239 Speaker 2: teach her? Yes, I did like a little bit like 384 00:16:47,250 --> 00:16:51,409 Speaker 2: just basic. Does she do? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She does 385 00:16:51,690 --> 00:16:55,979 Speaker 2: seem like your mother also. I think in the past 386 00:16:55,989 --> 00:16:58,190 Speaker 2: also because I started really young and then like, people 387 00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:59,719 Speaker 2: are like, oh, like, oh, you guys are too young. 388 00:16:59,729 --> 00:17:01,169 Speaker 2: They will see these things, right? And then after that 389 00:17:01,179 --> 00:17:03,630 Speaker 2: they didn't want to start using makeup. Like if you, 390 00:17:03,770 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 2: you know what I like girl, 391 00:17:06,010 --> 00:17:08,260 Speaker 1: like you let me put you on, 392 00:17:08,670 --> 00:17:10,719 Speaker 2: tell you. But I mean, I have so much fun 393 00:17:10,729 --> 00:17:13,890 Speaker 2: doing it and so like, it's so exciting to see people, 394 00:17:13,900 --> 00:17:16,069 Speaker 2: like in the beginning, like, feel like makeup doesn't suit 395 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:18,290 Speaker 2: me and things like that. But starting to know like, oh, 396 00:17:18,300 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 2: actually it is not because they don't look good with 397 00:17:20,010 --> 00:17:23,500 Speaker 2: makeup but it's because like probably there's another style, like 398 00:17:23,510 --> 00:17:26,409 Speaker 2: another way of doing it that will really, it's customized 399 00:17:26,420 --> 00:17:27,599 Speaker 2: for them. One of my 400 00:17:27,609 --> 00:17:30,310 Speaker 1: favorite things to do when I meet girls is to 401 00:17:30,319 --> 00:17:33,369 Speaker 1: compliment their makeup. Like I have this little cousin, she's 402 00:17:33,459 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 1: about maybe 10 years or more younger than me and 403 00:17:36,170 --> 00:17:38,849 Speaker 1: she's always been beautiful. But this Chinese New Year was 404 00:17:38,859 --> 00:17:40,910 Speaker 1: the first time I saw her in a full face 405 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: of makeup that she obviously did herself and I was 406 00:17:43,530 --> 00:17:46,420 Speaker 1: like taken aback. I just went to her and I'm like, 407 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: you are so gorgeous. Like you were already gorgeous, but 408 00:17:49,890 --> 00:17:52,488 Speaker 1: I love the look and you can just tell like 409 00:17:52,500 --> 00:17:54,718 Speaker 1: after that, right, she walked around with this air of 410 00:17:54,729 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: confidence in her flowy dress. She was so happy of 411 00:17:58,250 --> 00:18:01,670 Speaker 1: about it and like just seeing girls grow up and discover, 412 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,889 Speaker 1: make up for themselves and giving them that confidence, right? 413 00:18:04,900 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: It's not about boost, it's not about something fake, but 414 00:18:08,530 --> 00:18:11,228 Speaker 1: sometimes you need a little bit of help along the way. No, 415 00:18:11,239 --> 00:18:13,550 Speaker 1: here's the thing like it's not that we're trying to 416 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,530 Speaker 1: hide something or change something, but sometimes, right, let's say 417 00:18:16,540 --> 00:18:18,989 Speaker 1: I've been at home for like 34 days, let's say 418 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:20,579 Speaker 1: I don't go out and I've just been a mess. 419 00:18:20,589 --> 00:18:22,750 Speaker 1: I look T BT trailer box trend, right? 420 00:18:23,540 --> 00:18:25,569 Speaker 1: And then at some point, I just feel like, oh 421 00:18:25,579 --> 00:18:27,780 Speaker 1: my God, I was so tired of be ugly. Right? 422 00:18:28,390 --> 00:18:31,489 Speaker 1: The minute you let me just slay today. Yes. The 423 00:18:31,500 --> 00:18:33,310 Speaker 1: minute you dress up and like, ok, let me put 424 00:18:33,319 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: on some makeup, some nice clothes and finally stop being 425 00:18:36,369 --> 00:18:39,150 Speaker 1: ugly and then you just feel like better about yourself. 426 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,239 Speaker 1: More confident. Actually, I feel like the best part of 427 00:18:41,250 --> 00:18:43,329 Speaker 1: my makeup is that it makes you feel more confident, 428 00:18:43,339 --> 00:18:45,589 Speaker 1: even if you are dressed in a co T and 429 00:18:45,599 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 1: shorts and you go out right as if some makeup 430 00:18:47,890 --> 00:18:49,709 Speaker 1: on you feel like today is gonna be a good 431 00:18:49,719 --> 00:18:52,109 Speaker 1: day and it's not for people, it's just really 432 00:18:52,199 --> 00:18:54,959 Speaker 1: for yourself. Yeah. What is your least favorite part of 433 00:18:54,969 --> 00:18:58,419 Speaker 1: wearing makeup then? G oh I know mine. Absolutely. Washing 434 00:18:58,430 --> 00:19:02,750 Speaker 1: the brushes. I, I it's the bane of my existence, 435 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 1: especially with your eye shadow brushes, right? So I used 436 00:19:07,650 --> 00:19:11,530 Speaker 1: to wash my brushes. Don't, maybe it's good to. No, no, no, no. 437 00:19:11,670 --> 00:19:14,900 Speaker 1: I used to wash my brushes like once a year. 438 00:19:15,089 --> 00:19:19,010 Speaker 1: I want to say harsh is a safe space. But ok, 439 00:19:19,109 --> 00:19:20,339 Speaker 1: I got conjunctivitis. 440 00:19:23,010 --> 00:19:26,010 Speaker 1: So because I didn't wash my brushes. So then since 441 00:19:26,020 --> 00:19:29,719 Speaker 1: then now I wash them like still not as often 442 00:19:29,729 --> 00:19:31,699 Speaker 1: as I should be, but how often should I be 443 00:19:31,709 --> 00:19:34,300 Speaker 1: washed my personal brushes? No one else uses them once 444 00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:35,369 Speaker 1: every three days is 445 00:19:36,099 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 2: what I feel like. Actually honestly you have like the 446 00:19:39,410 --> 00:19:42,020 Speaker 2: deep cleansing, right? Yeah. Sometimes what I do if I 447 00:19:42,030 --> 00:19:43,910 Speaker 2: really have no time to go and like deep cleanse, 448 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:46,819 Speaker 2: I would just spray like alcohol spray. Yeah. So that, 449 00:19:46,910 --> 00:19:48,079 Speaker 2: that helps a little bit. Yeah. But 450 00:19:48,166 --> 00:19:50,495 Speaker 2: of course if there's pigment and if it's liquid then 451 00:19:50,505 --> 00:19:52,895 Speaker 2: obviously just wash it after every use. Like if you 452 00:19:52,906 --> 00:19:56,536 Speaker 2: use like foundation brushes as in personally use personally. No, 453 00:19:56,546 --> 00:19:59,715 Speaker 2: because like as in for me, if I use foundation brushes, right, 454 00:19:59,725 --> 00:20:02,145 Speaker 2: I feel like it gets a little bit gunky. So 455 00:20:02,176 --> 00:20:04,666 Speaker 2: the application is not as smooth. I mean, like you 456 00:20:04,676 --> 00:20:07,844 Speaker 2: don't have to do that, don't you judge, please? Yeah, 457 00:20:08,076 --> 00:20:10,484 Speaker 2: but personally I have to validate you also because I 458 00:20:10,494 --> 00:20:13,015 Speaker 2: hate washing brushes. I absolutely hate it. And so many classes, like, 459 00:20:13,026 --> 00:20:13,306 Speaker 2: I have to 460 00:20:13,391 --> 00:20:15,501 Speaker 2: wash it every single time. Like, even for like powder 461 00:20:15,511 --> 00:20:17,722 Speaker 2: brushes or anything, I can't just spray, you know, because 462 00:20:17,732 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 2: it's not sanitary if I'm using it for different people. Yeah. 463 00:20:20,932 --> 00:20:23,081 Speaker 2: So please. It's ok. Like it's a 464 00:20:23,552 --> 00:20:25,932 Speaker 1: safe, no more conjunctivitis for me. 465 00:20:26,582 --> 00:20:30,612 Speaker 2: But also because I get like, ST very often. So 466 00:20:30,621 --> 00:20:34,281 Speaker 2: I try to keep it. Yeah. Correct. Otherwise it's very 467 00:20:34,291 --> 00:20:35,342 Speaker 2: painful for 468 00:20:35,352 --> 00:20:38,391 Speaker 1: me. It's absolutely the amount of time it takes to, 469 00:20:38,839 --> 00:20:42,469 Speaker 1: to do your makeup, the patience I can't, I would 470 00:20:42,479 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: rather sit there for two hours to get someone to 471 00:20:45,689 --> 00:20:47,900 Speaker 1: do it for me. And then I do my work. 472 00:20:47,910 --> 00:20:50,290 Speaker 1: I do things that actually contribute to my career. That's 473 00:20:50,300 --> 00:20:51,949 Speaker 1: how I would like trade off. What about you? What's 474 00:20:51,959 --> 00:20:54,139 Speaker 1: your least favorite part of makeup? My brows are the 475 00:20:54,150 --> 00:20:55,609 Speaker 1: bane of my existence. 476 00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:58,790 Speaker 2: You spend so much time on the they really are 477 00:20:58,839 --> 00:21:01,839 Speaker 1: you, you have to remember they are sisters, not twins. 478 00:21:02,959 --> 00:21:04,988 Speaker 1: I know, I try to remind myself of that but 479 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,420 Speaker 1: because of how particular I am of it is a 480 00:21:07,430 --> 00:21:08,839 Speaker 1: bit of my existence. Drop 481 00:21:08,849 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 2: the prior. 482 00:21:11,439 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 2: What 483 00:21:11,890 --> 00:21:14,629 Speaker 1: about you? Apart from washing your brushes? 484 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,719 Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that's a huge one. I would say the 485 00:21:18,729 --> 00:21:21,349 Speaker 2: fact that it's not always very good for your skin. Yeah. 486 00:21:21,939 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 2: The fact that, you know, sometimes when, after a full day, 487 00:21:24,930 --> 00:21:27,479 Speaker 2: depending on the products that you use and the duration 488 00:21:27,489 --> 00:21:29,718 Speaker 2: in which you wear your makeup for, it feels like 489 00:21:29,729 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 2: your skin gets like very suffocated. So probably that 490 00:21:32,599 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 2: is like the worst thing I 491 00:21:34,369 --> 00:21:40,069 Speaker 1: feel I've been into double cleansing recently, especially on heavy makeup. Yeah, 492 00:21:40,079 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: I just love the feeling of a clean face after 493 00:21:42,810 --> 00:21:47,069 Speaker 1: every last bit of makeup is gone. The squeaky clean. Yes, 494 00:21:47,079 --> 00:21:50,260 Speaker 1: I love it. The real skin like my skin can 495 00:21:50,270 --> 00:21:53,410 Speaker 1: breathe when J is gonna pull out. Sometimes she calls 496 00:21:53,420 --> 00:21:54,379 Speaker 1: me in the morning and 497 00:21:54,869 --> 00:21:57,979 Speaker 1: so one time I was rooming with Azura in a 498 00:21:57,989 --> 00:22:01,689 Speaker 1: hotel after a friend's wedding and in the morning I 499 00:22:01,699 --> 00:22:03,969 Speaker 1: wake up right and I turn over and she went 500 00:22:03,979 --> 00:22:06,170 Speaker 1: out that night so I didn't see her till I 501 00:22:06,180 --> 00:22:08,739 Speaker 1: woke up and I turn over and she's facing the 502 00:22:08,750 --> 00:22:12,939 Speaker 1: other side. But on the pillow, no, there is like 503 00:22:12,949 --> 00:22:16,979 Speaker 1: her face imprinted into the pillow. You can see the foundation, 504 00:22:16,989 --> 00:22:21,939 Speaker 1: then there's blush, there's lipstick, there's a bit eyeliner, the brows. Yeah, 505 00:22:21,949 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: her face is there but her head is on the 506 00:22:24,050 --> 00:22:24,449 Speaker 1: other side. 507 00:22:26,449 --> 00:22:28,930 Speaker 1: Zora can really go to bed without removing a makeup. 508 00:22:28,939 --> 00:22:31,250 Speaker 1: She can you did it in the States as well 509 00:22:31,260 --> 00:22:32,629 Speaker 1: when we were together 510 00:22:33,500 --> 00:22:34,770 Speaker 2: and your skin is still 511 00:22:34,780 --> 00:22:36,770 Speaker 1: right? Is that 512 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 2: oh my God, 513 00:22:39,500 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: my lashes also like 514 00:22:41,589 --> 00:22:47,369 Speaker 1: I have been trying to stop this habit. You should baby, 515 00:22:47,380 --> 00:22:51,849 Speaker 1: I do my very best. I have even put my 516 00:22:51,859 --> 00:22:56,099 Speaker 1: all cleanser right next to my door in my room. Ok, 517 00:22:56,109 --> 00:22:59,050 Speaker 1: so where the chest is? So I've put it right 518 00:22:59,060 --> 00:23:01,260 Speaker 1: on top next to the door. So I walk in, 519 00:23:01,270 --> 00:23:05,069 Speaker 1: I pump first. So 520 00:23:05,910 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 1: after you, you have to also make sure your hands 521 00:23:08,209 --> 00:23:09,750 Speaker 1: are clean as you pump it. You know that right 522 00:23:12,859 --> 00:23:15,540 Speaker 1: hand hygiene is very important before you touch your face. 523 00:23:15,619 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: All that bacteria can get into your skin as well. 524 00:23:18,219 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 1: You know, wearing makeup is all fun and games and 525 00:23:21,170 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 1: all that. But I think when it comes to a 526 00:23:23,449 --> 00:23:26,859 Speaker 1: point where you can't leave the house without makeup and 527 00:23:26,869 --> 00:23:29,349 Speaker 1: I know some friends who have struggled with that, does 528 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:30,329 Speaker 1: that become a problem? 529 00:23:30,949 --> 00:23:32,729 Speaker 1: You can't even go out of your door if you 530 00:23:32,739 --> 00:23:34,510 Speaker 1: don't have makeup on. I don't think so. You don't 531 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,250 Speaker 1: think that's a problem. I don't think it's a problem. 532 00:23:36,260 --> 00:23:39,489 Speaker 1: I think that's just a girl's discipline and drive to 533 00:23:39,500 --> 00:23:41,930 Speaker 1: want to make herself look good. Hey, I respect that. 534 00:23:41,949 --> 00:23:43,790 Speaker 1: You know that what she just going down to the 535 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,250 Speaker 1: coffee shop. If it makes you feel happy then on 536 00:23:46,260 --> 00:23:49,169 Speaker 1: makeup and go as long as you're happy, nothing else matters. 537 00:23:49,349 --> 00:23:51,170 Speaker 1: That's what I think. Wow. 538 00:23:51,365 --> 00:23:53,336 Speaker 2: Yeah. Thanks for saying that because like, honestly, there was 539 00:23:53,345 --> 00:23:54,696 Speaker 2: a period of time in my life where I could 540 00:23:54,705 --> 00:23:56,946 Speaker 2: not leave the house without makeup. What did you feel 541 00:23:56,955 --> 00:23:58,885 Speaker 2: at that time? Ok. So I was in uni at 542 00:23:58,895 --> 00:24:00,795 Speaker 2: the time actually and I realized that I could not 543 00:24:00,806 --> 00:24:03,755 Speaker 2: leave the house without full face of makeup. Yeah. So 544 00:24:03,765 --> 00:24:05,744 Speaker 2: when I realized that it was kind of like a, 545 00:24:06,145 --> 00:24:08,604 Speaker 2: you know, like, oh my gosh, like I realized that 546 00:24:08,615 --> 00:24:11,316 Speaker 2: I have such a big insecurity about that. I remember 547 00:24:11,326 --> 00:24:11,566 Speaker 2: text 548 00:24:11,641 --> 00:24:13,781 Speaker 2: my girlfriend. So I have this really close group of girlfriends. 549 00:24:13,791 --> 00:24:16,031 Speaker 2: I was texting like guys like I feel I have 550 00:24:16,041 --> 00:24:17,942 Speaker 2: a problem and I was like, I want to take 551 00:24:17,952 --> 00:24:19,911 Speaker 2: the train. It was really dramatic. Ok? I was like 552 00:24:19,921 --> 00:24:22,001 Speaker 2: tearing up a little bit and I realized that and 553 00:24:22,011 --> 00:24:23,972 Speaker 2: also because I was so stressed like in school and 554 00:24:23,982 --> 00:24:26,630 Speaker 2: stuff and like my skin wasn't doing really well also 555 00:24:26,641 --> 00:24:29,741 Speaker 2: and probably also contributed to that insecurity as well. I 556 00:24:29,751 --> 00:24:31,861 Speaker 2: felt like it was a huge problem for me. 557 00:24:32,150 --> 00:24:35,339 Speaker 2: I just felt really insecure about my bare face at 558 00:24:35,349 --> 00:24:36,819 Speaker 2: the time. What do you 559 00:24:37,030 --> 00:24:38,239 Speaker 1: say? I can't 560 00:24:38,250 --> 00:24:40,448 Speaker 2: remember what they said actually, but they were just very 561 00:24:40,459 --> 00:24:42,949 Speaker 2: supportive about like, oh, so what do you think? Like 562 00:24:42,959 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 2: I just do it if you wanna go out with 563 00:24:45,010 --> 00:24:47,339 Speaker 2: a full face of makeup. Otherwise they're like, what is 564 00:24:47,349 --> 00:24:50,449 Speaker 2: your next course of action kind of thing? And personally, like, 565 00:24:50,459 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 2: I actually decided to go five days without makeup. Like, yeah, 566 00:24:55,290 --> 00:24:56,780 Speaker 2: like exposure therapy or sort of 567 00:24:56,917 --> 00:24:59,137 Speaker 2: a little bit. But of course, because I remember had 568 00:24:59,147 --> 00:25:01,727 Speaker 2: a huge Z over here and I just could not 569 00:25:01,738 --> 00:25:05,157 Speaker 2: leave it alone, just conceal it then. No, I did. 570 00:25:05,508 --> 00:25:07,937 Speaker 2: I went to, I went to, like, cut a plaster, right? 571 00:25:07,946 --> 00:25:10,078 Speaker 2: I get you look 572 00:25:10,088 --> 00:25:12,687 Speaker 1: a little bit bad as I got in a fight. 573 00:25:13,458 --> 00:25:16,677 Speaker 2: And so I remember like after that, I felt like 574 00:25:16,686 --> 00:25:19,817 Speaker 2: after five days like nothing much. Well, ok, what? Never mind, 575 00:25:19,958 --> 00:25:21,578 Speaker 2: but it's not so much of like after 576 00:25:21,686 --> 00:25:24,086 Speaker 2: that, I was able to, you know, I just went 577 00:25:24,095 --> 00:25:26,075 Speaker 2: around my day without makeup or anything, but it was 578 00:25:26,086 --> 00:25:29,656 Speaker 2: just that feeling of feeling free that I could enjoy makeup, 579 00:25:29,666 --> 00:25:32,484 Speaker 2: you know, and really just enjoy the process without feeling 580 00:25:32,494 --> 00:25:34,594 Speaker 2: the stress of, oh my gosh, like what if like 581 00:25:34,605 --> 00:25:36,926 Speaker 2: this is not concealed and things like that? So I 582 00:25:36,936 --> 00:25:39,475 Speaker 2: think that was a little part of my journey in 583 00:25:39,484 --> 00:25:41,385 Speaker 2: makeup wearing. I think it's about being 584 00:25:41,395 --> 00:25:44,234 Speaker 1: comfortable in your own skin. Be if you have makeup 585 00:25:44,244 --> 00:25:46,345 Speaker 1: on or if you don't have makeup on this 586 00:25:46,453 --> 00:25:49,923 Speaker 1: person on Reddit actually said this, I believe women are 587 00:25:49,933 --> 00:25:54,343 Speaker 1: wearing makeup just for men. Don't make me angry girl. Ok? 588 00:25:54,354 --> 00:25:57,783 Speaker 1: I think women wear makeup right? To feel more confident, right? 589 00:25:57,792 --> 00:25:59,734 Speaker 1: And if it's like I'm going on a date, does 590 00:25:59,744 --> 00:26:03,144 Speaker 1: that mean I'm wearing it for the man? Not exactly right, 591 00:26:03,154 --> 00:26:06,062 Speaker 1: but it's not entirely wrong to say that. Yes, I 592 00:26:06,073 --> 00:26:08,783 Speaker 1: do want to look cute because I am interested in 593 00:26:08,792 --> 00:26:11,114 Speaker 1: this guy. That's fine. Right. 594 00:26:11,232 --> 00:26:12,852 Speaker 1: Wrong with that. And if I were a guy, I 595 00:26:12,862 --> 00:26:15,682 Speaker 1: would appreciate if my partner always wants to look good, 596 00:26:16,011 --> 00:26:18,411 Speaker 1: it like me when we go out together, then of course, 597 00:26:18,421 --> 00:26:19,771 Speaker 1: I do my part to make sure I look good 598 00:26:19,781 --> 00:26:21,982 Speaker 1: as well. That's what my partner says. He always says 599 00:26:21,991 --> 00:26:23,802 Speaker 1: you look the same with and without makeup. The thing 600 00:26:23,811 --> 00:26:26,021 Speaker 1: that a Zora got very angry at just now he 601 00:26:26,031 --> 00:26:28,682 Speaker 1: says that. But when I have a full glam on, 602 00:26:28,692 --> 00:26:32,021 Speaker 1: he's like, wow, you look, you look really different, like 603 00:26:32,031 --> 00:26:35,251 Speaker 1: really sexy today, things like that, then ah then don't 604 00:26:35,261 --> 00:26:35,891 Speaker 1: say right? 605 00:26:37,790 --> 00:26:41,180 Speaker 1: Like they don't understand what makes it different, but it 606 00:26:41,189 --> 00:26:44,619 Speaker 1: does make a difference, right? A guy complimented my makeup today. 607 00:26:44,630 --> 00:26:47,930 Speaker 1: He's like, oh, she was like, I love the makeup today. 608 00:26:47,939 --> 00:26:50,569 Speaker 1: It looks like really light, it looks natural, like not 609 00:26:50,579 --> 00:26:54,660 Speaker 1: overly done all skills. I know so many layers in this. 610 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,969 Speaker 1: Shout out to Chris, but I felt really happy receiving 611 00:26:57,979 --> 00:26:58,659 Speaker 1: that compliment 612 00:26:58,765 --> 00:27:01,885 Speaker 2: as a makeup artist and as somebody who really loves makeup, 613 00:27:01,895 --> 00:27:03,954 Speaker 2: that's my personal view. If I were to say that 614 00:27:03,964 --> 00:27:06,244 Speaker 2: I'm doing it 100% for myself and not for other 615 00:27:06,255 --> 00:27:09,084 Speaker 2: people at all, I feel like, yeah, that's a little 616 00:27:09,094 --> 00:27:11,524 Speaker 2: bit of a lie honestly. But I mean, I speak 617 00:27:11,535 --> 00:27:14,464 Speaker 2: for myself with regards to like makeup application. We were 618 00:27:14,474 --> 00:27:16,305 Speaker 2: saying that it's like very therapeutic and things like that. 619 00:27:16,314 --> 00:27:18,224 Speaker 2: It's an art form. It's like how the painters like 620 00:27:18,234 --> 00:27:19,823 Speaker 2: they use like canvas, right? 621 00:27:20,150 --> 00:27:22,129 Speaker 2: Like the canvas is just the face of God. Yeah. 622 00:27:22,140 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 2: So it's kind of like you enjoy the process, but 623 00:27:24,689 --> 00:27:26,260 Speaker 2: if you go out there and people appreciate it, you 624 00:27:26,270 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 2: feel good because like, oh yeah, firstly, I mean, you 625 00:27:31,239 --> 00:27:31,959 Speaker 2: know that kind of 626 00:27:31,969 --> 00:27:34,619 Speaker 1: thing, but that's not to say like we don't appreciate 627 00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:37,180 Speaker 1: a man who tells us, oh, you look good without makeup. 628 00:27:37,189 --> 00:27:39,069 Speaker 1: I think that's sweet as well. But if you want 629 00:27:39,079 --> 00:27:40,989 Speaker 1: to do it for yourself, I know I said angry 630 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,349 Speaker 1: just now but yeah, please tell me like I look nice. 631 00:27:43,979 --> 00:27:44,260 Speaker 1: Thank you. 632 00:27:44,753 --> 00:27:47,623 Speaker 1: We also like that. Actually, you are not so good. 633 00:27:47,703 --> 00:27:50,922 Speaker 1: If a man can't love you just as much with 634 00:27:50,932 --> 00:27:53,862 Speaker 1: or without makeup, then that is a different problem that 635 00:27:53,873 --> 00:27:55,662 Speaker 1: you all need to go and work out, right? And 636 00:27:55,672 --> 00:27:59,983 Speaker 1: what do you think if someone says that's too much makeup, 637 00:28:00,003 --> 00:28:04,141 Speaker 1: especially guys, they like to say this. I have literally 638 00:28:04,152 --> 00:28:06,223 Speaker 1: never had a guy say this to me in the 639 00:28:06,233 --> 00:28:08,782 Speaker 1: past seven years. No one has ever said that 640 00:28:09,036 --> 00:28:11,595 Speaker 1: that's too much makeup. OK? Have you ever heard like 641 00:28:11,605 --> 00:28:13,456 Speaker 1: because I hear this from guys quite a bit. If 642 00:28:13,465 --> 00:28:15,265 Speaker 1: it's not you. It's about someone else, let's say you're 643 00:28:15,276 --> 00:28:17,465 Speaker 1: out and you're like, what the fellow was so much 644 00:28:17,505 --> 00:28:18,786 Speaker 1: bigger for. What have you had this? 645 00:28:18,796 --> 00:28:21,255 Speaker 2: Actually, I have heard it like people said to me 646 00:28:21,265 --> 00:28:24,406 Speaker 2: really also because I started makeup when I was really young. 647 00:28:24,416 --> 00:28:26,215 Speaker 2: I remember like there were times where I went out 648 00:28:26,225 --> 00:28:28,705 Speaker 2: with my friends, like, obviously I'll be only wearing makeup, right? 649 00:28:28,994 --> 00:28:31,916 Speaker 2: So like, I would hear that and to me, it's 650 00:28:31,926 --> 00:28:32,826 Speaker 2: just like, you don't know 651 00:28:34,790 --> 00:28:39,540 Speaker 2: seriously. Honestly, I honestly cannot really like, remember how I felt, 652 00:28:39,780 --> 00:28:42,430 Speaker 2: I just thought like, I just don't want to do that. 653 00:28:42,750 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 2: Like I'm like in my, yeah, I'm like in my 654 00:28:45,689 --> 00:28:49,050 Speaker 2: self discovery journey of like what I like, you know, 655 00:28:49,329 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 2: and I always thought to myself that I'm an artist, 656 00:28:52,290 --> 00:28:54,530 Speaker 2: this is my canvas. You look at my art 657 00:28:56,079 --> 00:28:56,699 Speaker 2: really? 658 00:28:56,709 --> 00:28:59,290 Speaker 1: She belongs to the museum, honey. 659 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,250 Speaker 1: OK. So here are some ways some women have responded 660 00:29:03,260 --> 00:29:07,010 Speaker 1: to the question why women wear makeup? Some women have 661 00:29:07,020 --> 00:29:09,949 Speaker 1: said that because wearing makeup is fun. It's creative. They 662 00:29:09,959 --> 00:29:12,550 Speaker 1: like the way it enhances the looks. Some people, wow. 663 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,349 Speaker 1: Also says I wear a cat eye almost every day. 664 00:29:17,025 --> 00:29:20,204 Speaker 1: I've been doing it since I was 16 and it 665 00:29:20,214 --> 00:29:22,334 Speaker 1: feels like as much a part of me as the 666 00:29:22,344 --> 00:29:25,635 Speaker 1: sound of my voice. I guess this is what you 667 00:29:25,645 --> 00:29:30,214 Speaker 1: call a signature look that's like identity. It's become your identity. 668 00:29:30,265 --> 00:29:31,515 Speaker 1: Oh my God. Can I just say that in my 669 00:29:31,525 --> 00:29:33,185 Speaker 1: teenage years, I had a face, 670 00:29:33,589 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: I hope there are no photos anymore. I want. What 671 00:29:36,569 --> 00:29:37,479 Speaker 2: is it? I had a 672 00:29:37,489 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: face purple lipstick. Really? Wow. How come I can imagine 673 00:29:41,569 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: that I can also, I 674 00:29:43,530 --> 00:29:44,550 Speaker 2: had a purple lipstick 675 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,530 Speaker 1: face. Like deep purple. Is this specific matte shade? I 676 00:29:47,540 --> 00:29:48,630 Speaker 1: can't remember what it's called. You have 677 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,010 Speaker 2: to see a photo so it's like full, full. Wow. 678 00:29:52,219 --> 00:29:53,410 Speaker 2: Love it. 679 00:29:54,180 --> 00:29:56,050 Speaker 1: And what are some of the comments that you've gotten? 680 00:29:56,060 --> 00:29:59,109 Speaker 1: It just became like a oh, it's a serious thing, 681 00:29:59,550 --> 00:30:00,449 Speaker 1: see 682 00:30:00,719 --> 00:30:02,619 Speaker 1: which means you pull it out. What? Right. I don't 683 00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:04,229 Speaker 1: know that now I think about it. I'm like what 684 00:30:04,260 --> 00:30:05,829 Speaker 1: I want to see that I don't know if I 685 00:30:05,839 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: can find, I try, if not, I'll just go back 686 00:30:08,010 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: and buy the thing now and put it, maybe I'll 687 00:30:10,410 --> 00:30:13,089 Speaker 1: bring it back like this look, you bring it back. 688 00:30:13,420 --> 00:30:16,949 Speaker 1: So I think makeup trends change, right? Like in the past, 689 00:30:16,959 --> 00:30:20,050 Speaker 1: it was about like liquid lipstick and really strong brows 690 00:30:20,060 --> 00:30:22,859 Speaker 1: or really like contour face. Then there's like a whole 691 00:30:22,869 --> 00:30:26,140 Speaker 1: natural movement coming in now and things like that. 692 00:30:26,234 --> 00:30:28,204 Speaker 1: So it was clean girl and then now we're going 693 00:30:28,214 --> 00:30:33,724 Speaker 1: into mob mob wife look trends change. But what's important 694 00:30:33,734 --> 00:30:37,525 Speaker 1: is that learning what kind of makeup style suits your 695 00:30:37,535 --> 00:30:40,574 Speaker 1: face and your features, right? There's someone here that actually 696 00:30:40,584 --> 00:30:44,334 Speaker 1: said on Reddit, I don't wear makeup because I'm really 697 00:30:44,344 --> 00:30:47,785 Speaker 1: overweight and my face is no longer attractive I feel 698 00:30:47,795 --> 00:30:50,795 Speaker 1: like it's like putting lipstick on a pig. This person 699 00:30:50,805 --> 00:30:51,645 Speaker 1: said that about themselves. 700 00:30:52,579 --> 00:30:56,949 Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't, I feel like makeup works for every 701 00:30:56,959 --> 00:31:00,540 Speaker 1: face shape no matter how round or how thin you are, 702 00:31:00,550 --> 00:31:03,030 Speaker 1: it's meant to enhance it looks. So don't ever think 703 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: that way as a makeup artist with like, what would 704 00:31:05,410 --> 00:31:07,670 Speaker 1: you say to someone that feels that way? 705 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,530 Speaker 2: So actually like recently online on Tik Tok, you start 706 00:31:11,540 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 2: to see a lot of people talking about this thing 707 00:31:13,410 --> 00:31:15,209 Speaker 2: called like personal style. I don't know if you have 708 00:31:15,219 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 2: heard of it, but there was another creator that also 709 00:31:17,530 --> 00:31:20,060 Speaker 2: popularized this thing called like the eight makeup architect. 710 00:31:20,489 --> 00:31:22,750 Speaker 2: Yes, I saw that. So I feel like that's a 711 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 2: great thing to look at, especially if you always felt like, 712 00:31:26,050 --> 00:31:27,770 Speaker 2: oh like I just don't look good with makeup because 713 00:31:27,780 --> 00:31:30,579 Speaker 2: of my size or because of my face shape, my 714 00:31:30,589 --> 00:31:32,369 Speaker 2: eye shape and things like that, like how the features 715 00:31:32,380 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 2: come together. But what I love about like this whole 716 00:31:35,170 --> 00:31:38,459 Speaker 2: personal style direction of thinking in terms of beauty is 717 00:31:38,469 --> 00:31:41,150 Speaker 2: that it's not about the, you know, in the past, 718 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,530 Speaker 2: we always say, oh, this is pretty, this is not pretty, 719 00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:46,030 Speaker 2: but now it's like, what is your style? What do 720 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,670 Speaker 2: you like about your features? 721 00:31:47,859 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 2: Firstly, what do you want to enhance? So for example, 722 00:31:50,810 --> 00:31:52,729 Speaker 2: if you feel like putting lipstick, she talks about lipstick 723 00:31:52,739 --> 00:31:54,569 Speaker 2: and she doesn't really like that look and I go 724 00:31:54,579 --> 00:31:57,089 Speaker 2: easy on the lipstick. Probably do like a tinted lip 725 00:31:57,099 --> 00:31:59,349 Speaker 2: balm and then I don't do your brows frame your 726 00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 2: face a little bit. I feel like there's definitely space 727 00:32:02,410 --> 00:32:05,869 Speaker 2: for every individual in this makeup space for you to 728 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,189 Speaker 2: experiment and explore. And we feel like in the beginning, 729 00:32:08,199 --> 00:32:11,489 Speaker 2: like you don't feel confident in it, it's ok, like 730 00:32:11,500 --> 00:32:14,939 Speaker 2: take breaks, you know, try different things. I think the 731 00:32:14,949 --> 00:32:15,290 Speaker 2: more 732 00:32:15,369 --> 00:32:18,550 Speaker 2: important thing if you are really serious about getting into it, 733 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,410 Speaker 2: then don't give up, like have fun with it. It's 734 00:32:20,420 --> 00:32:23,670 Speaker 2: not so serious. Honestly, makeup is about having fun. I agree. 735 00:32:23,859 --> 00:32:25,989 Speaker 1: I agree. Is it a problem if I get so 736 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,199 Speaker 1: lazy these days that I really don't mind going anywhere 737 00:32:29,209 --> 00:32:31,410 Speaker 1: without makeup? No, that's great. 738 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:32,719 Speaker 2: That's great. Your skin care is great. 739 00:32:33,290 --> 00:32:35,599 Speaker 1: So the next harsh podcast or we should have come 740 00:32:35,609 --> 00:32:41,380 Speaker 1: with no makeup today. One request. Can I please have 741 00:32:41,390 --> 00:32:42,810 Speaker 2: brows? No, 742 00:32:43,359 --> 00:32:46,130 Speaker 2: if no makeup embroidery, I was 743 00:32:46,140 --> 00:32:49,150 Speaker 1: thinking about it. I really was there regardless. I think 744 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,238 Speaker 1: makeup like this is so versatile, right? There's so many 745 00:32:52,250 --> 00:32:55,050 Speaker 1: different ways that it can suit your face. And at 746 00:32:55,060 --> 00:32:57,020 Speaker 1: the end of the day, a lot of women find 747 00:32:57,030 --> 00:33:00,239 Speaker 1: it empowering. Correct. Yeah, they find that it's sort of 748 00:33:00,250 --> 00:33:04,109 Speaker 1: like they're alone time, right? Especially those who enjoy the process. 749 00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:07,130 Speaker 1: It's this very intimate kind of time you spend with yourself, 750 00:33:07,140 --> 00:33:09,410 Speaker 1: you know, thinking what colors do I put on? You know, 751 00:33:09,420 --> 00:33:10,979 Speaker 1: how do I want to sculp my face today. What 752 00:33:10,989 --> 00:33:11,910 Speaker 1: kind of look am I going 753 00:33:11,985 --> 00:33:14,365 Speaker 1: for today? It's a lot of effort going into that 754 00:33:14,375 --> 00:33:17,385 Speaker 1: and it's self care, it's self love, it's like putting 755 00:33:17,395 --> 00:33:19,916 Speaker 1: a hair mask on same concept. All right. So we 756 00:33:19,926 --> 00:33:22,036 Speaker 1: have learned a lot from this episode but we any 757 00:33:22,046 --> 00:33:25,345 Speaker 1: last words for women out there be whether they like 758 00:33:25,355 --> 00:33:26,906 Speaker 1: to put on makeup or not. I feel 759 00:33:26,916 --> 00:33:31,485 Speaker 2: that makeup has become like very, very widely available for 760 00:33:31,495 --> 00:33:33,755 Speaker 2: everybody and even like right now on social media, right? 761 00:33:33,765 --> 00:33:35,456 Speaker 2: You are able to have access to a lot of 762 00:33:35,465 --> 00:33:37,406 Speaker 2: tutorials and things like that. I would say that if 763 00:33:37,416 --> 00:33:40,485 Speaker 2: you feel intimidated by it, please do not like honestly, 764 00:33:40,495 --> 00:33:40,604 Speaker 2: it 765 00:33:40,682 --> 00:33:43,232 Speaker 2: it's not that serious. Like makeup is fun, you know, 766 00:33:43,241 --> 00:33:45,862 Speaker 2: if you like get into it, like just have fun 767 00:33:45,871 --> 00:33:47,332 Speaker 2: with it and if you feel like you're not so 768 00:33:47,342 --> 00:33:50,302 Speaker 2: good at it, like in the beginning, it's totally fine. 769 00:33:50,472 --> 00:33:53,531 Speaker 2: And eventually I hope that people see makeup as like 770 00:33:53,541 --> 00:33:56,822 Speaker 2: a journey of self discovery, like really knowing what suits 771 00:33:56,832 --> 00:33:59,102 Speaker 2: your features. And I feel like at a certain point 772 00:33:59,112 --> 00:34:02,062 Speaker 2: you'll be like, hey, like I'm able to use makeup 773 00:34:02,072 --> 00:34:06,052 Speaker 2: as an enhancement rather than like hiding. Yeah, I feel 774 00:34:06,062 --> 00:34:07,682 Speaker 2: like that's so important. I actually 775 00:34:07,692 --> 00:34:09,301 Speaker 1: saw a makeup artist say like, 776 00:34:09,540 --> 00:34:11,969 Speaker 1: I don't understand why people are so afraid to put 777 00:34:11,979 --> 00:34:13,859 Speaker 1: on makeup, like, you know, you can take it off, right? 778 00:34:14,729 --> 00:34:18,917 Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah, and I feel like Tik Tok 779 00:34:18,928 --> 00:34:21,098 Speaker 1: is very good platform for people who don't know how 780 00:34:21,108 --> 00:34:23,918 Speaker 1: to already apply makeup to learn. Like you can just 781 00:34:23,928 --> 00:34:27,058 Speaker 1: follow Viv and VS beauty notes, right? Like just learn 782 00:34:27,069 --> 00:34:29,979 Speaker 1: step by step one thing at a time. Eyeshadow how 783 00:34:29,989 --> 00:34:31,918 Speaker 1: to put blush, how to put lipstick and I'm sure 784 00:34:31,928 --> 00:34:34,138 Speaker 1: one day you'll get there, she has a very gentle 785 00:34:34,148 --> 00:34:36,718 Speaker 1: demeanor that makes me feel like I'm watching my friend 786 00:34:36,809 --> 00:34:39,148 Speaker 1: teaching me how to make up. Yeah. 787 00:34:40,020 --> 00:34:42,229 Speaker 1: Enjoy it. Yeah. Go check it out. She also has 788 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,229 Speaker 1: a lot of like beauty hacks, makeup hack skin care. 789 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: It's not just how to do makeup. So check her 790 00:34:48,050 --> 00:34:51,090 Speaker 1: out this beauty notes. Yes. And if you like this episode, 791 00:34:51,100 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 1: you can also follow us on Instagram at its gravity.co 792 00:34:54,370 --> 00:34:56,750 Speaker 1: for more. That's right. You can listen to us on me. Listen, 793 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,429 Speaker 1: Apple Podcast, Spotify, send on a notification and check us 794 00:35:00,439 --> 00:35:02,449 Speaker 1: out on youtube if you want to rate our makeups. 795 00:35:03,209 --> 00:35:07,469 Speaker 1: Ok. Thank you so much, Vivian for joining us today. Yes, 796 00:35:07,479 --> 00:35:10,350 Speaker 1: and always remember that, you know, makeup doesn't change who 797 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: you are, who you are is already within. You do 798 00:35:13,530 --> 00:35:15,899 Speaker 1: what you want to wear, what you want to you do. 799 00:35:15,909 --> 00:35:19,370 Speaker 1: You be be confident girl. Thank you so much, Vivian. 800 00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:22,550 Speaker 1: Thank you, Vivian. Thank you very much. Bye guys.