WEBVTT - Should men always pay on the first date?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, it's sonia. It's been a hot minute since we

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<v Speaker 1>very special guest, we've hung out personally, I think like

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<v Speaker 1>Please welcome. Hi,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm, I'm from the Chinese radio station. Just 93.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so you are basically the mandarin version of 987.

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>you have no clue what is a hip chinese song

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<v Speaker 1>right now, please try me.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, how about Right?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I know it's the only guy I,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you're a new album, just

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<v Speaker 1>has a new album. Right, okay, this is us just

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<v Speaker 1>catching up on like radio DJ things. Okay, but tell

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<v Speaker 1>us a bit more about yourself, you know, we never

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<v Speaker 1>really got down to sit like this and chat. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I know we had like some shots together last

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<v Speaker 2>time, some just

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<v Speaker 1>some enough to not remember the night

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<v Speaker 2>you sober, totally,

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<v Speaker 1>totally sober. So tell us a bit more you came

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<v Speaker 1>into this industry, is it at all what you expected?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know when I came into the industry was

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<v Speaker 2>technically about 5 to 6 years ago when I first

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<v Speaker 2>step we made a cop that was after the competition.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was from the same batch as hazel, right?

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<v Speaker 2>And then we joined the competition together. I got a

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<v Speaker 2>part time contract with me, The cop started doing part time,

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<v Speaker 2>like a weekend DJ kind of thing. I did my

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<v Speaker 2>internship here as well and then I left for army

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<v Speaker 2>and uni. So I came back after about five years

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<v Speaker 2>each and I just joined the station last year. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a very

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<v Speaker 2>refreshing experience. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean their ups and downs for sure. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be an equally interesting experience because sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>our guests have no idea what's going to happen during

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<v Speaker 1>the show and today we're addressing this topic and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure you have tons of things you want to say.

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<v Speaker 1>Should men always make the first move? Should men always

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<v Speaker 1>pay on the first date? For example, these things, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know man, I think their expectations in a relationship

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<v Speaker 1>and when people start dating and all that.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want to kick it off with you. What

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<v Speaker 1>is your dating status right now? Are you dating?

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<v Speaker 2>No, you're

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<v Speaker 1>not really Not really. Okay. When was the last time

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<v Speaker 1>you went on a date date? Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>last time was not too long ago actually.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so then in your dating life, have you ever

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<v Speaker 1>encountered people who maybe expect a certain thing out of

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<v Speaker 1>their male partner?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I'm quite lucky,

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<v Speaker 2>to be honest. I've never met anyone who set out

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<v Speaker 2>any expectations for me as a partner, but I've heard

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of stories about similar things, like in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of financial status, in terms of, um, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>your dreams and your goals in life, that sort of things.

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<v Speaker 1>So, so far, your dating experience has been very chill

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<v Speaker 1>and most of them are on the same page as you,

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<v Speaker 2>I will say. So what about you?

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<v Speaker 1>Um, it's interesting. I mean, I usually date older guys

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean, I think my life is an open

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<v Speaker 1>book at this point on men explain so far, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I as a partner,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't expect someone to get the bill on the

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<v Speaker 1>first date. In fact, interesting thing when I started talking

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<v Speaker 1>to my current boyfriend, I actually manipulated him to ask

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<v Speaker 1>me out for dinner.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>using the word manipulated like 100% okay, so here's what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>He and I met and then we were talking, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>texting quite a bit and stuff like that, but he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't ask me out for like two weeks. That is

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<v Speaker 1>like two years in girl years, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>girl time and then all of a sudden he,

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<v Speaker 1>he goes, hey, you want to hang. So it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, cool. Right? So I said, okay, sure, when,

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<v Speaker 1>when you free, he's like, you want to do lunch, lunch, lunch,

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<v Speaker 2>lunch,

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<v Speaker 1>okay. You tell me what's for

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<v Speaker 2>lunch? I don't know that that's, that's what I say,

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<v Speaker 2>like half the time you want to go to a

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<v Speaker 2>cafe for breakfast or something

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<v Speaker 1>and that's your idea of a first date.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I know I've been making some mistakes, clearly.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. I don't know whether it's because my idea of

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<v Speaker 1>getting to know someone on a first date would rather

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<v Speaker 1>be a bit formal.

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<v Speaker 1>Like over dinner, over a longer meal. Like lunch feels

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<v Speaker 1>like he has a very valid excuse to rush off.

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<v Speaker 1>Like right after that. You know what I mean? Am

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<v Speaker 1>I overthinking it? I don't know sister, help me out here.

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<v Speaker 2>That's quite valid. Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is valid. So I was thinking to myself,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy isn't really keen on getting to know me

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<v Speaker 1>much better. So then I said, you know what, all

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<v Speaker 1>my lunch dates out for the next two weeks, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like super busy. So do you want to meet for

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<v Speaker 1>dinner instead? And then he goes, yeah, sure, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I asked him about it a while later,

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<v Speaker 1>I said like how come you didn't ask me out

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<v Speaker 1>to dinner, asked me for lunch. He said, I just

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to like, I wasn't sure whether it will go

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<v Speaker 1>well or not. I'm going to try to not be

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<v Speaker 1>offended right now, but in a long story short. I

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<v Speaker 1>definitely manipulated him to have dinner with me. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>awesome. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>These are like our deepest, darkest thoughts.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for sharing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Welcome,

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<v Speaker 2>lovely to know. But I always thought that it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>make too much of a difference. It's lunch or dinner,

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<v Speaker 2>but now I know it actually matters

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<v Speaker 2>and I also didn't know that two weeks is like

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<v Speaker 2>two years to go. Very slow replying. So that's the

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<v Speaker 2>first thing

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<v Speaker 1>you're slow in replying

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<v Speaker 2>extremely slow. My friends always say I'll just send a

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<v Speaker 2>pigeon or dove to you. That's faster. And secondly, I

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<v Speaker 2>also think that, you know, I don't want to rush

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<v Speaker 2>into things. I don't want to seem too eager. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so just take it slow.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you've got to find it in between the

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<v Speaker 1>guys taking too long to reply me. I'm also going

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<v Speaker 1>to be like, maybe I should move on

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<v Speaker 2>clearly. I have not mastered that.

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<v Speaker 1>So then let's take you back to the first date situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have any expected

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<v Speaker 1>of your date when you guys first meet and go out.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. There's one I think it's like a pet peeve

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<v Speaker 2>for a lot of people is how they treat service stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that matters a lot. Right? On the first day,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter whether it's a normal restaurant or go

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<v Speaker 2>to very posh diner, that sort of things. You just

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<v Speaker 2>want to see the way they treat the waiter for example. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's say they get your food order wrong, Let's say

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<v Speaker 2>they're a little bit slow with the service, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>how would they react? I think it's very important.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, it's very telling of someone's character. Have you

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<v Speaker 1>come across someone like this in your dating

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<v Speaker 1>in

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<v Speaker 2>a good way or bad way?

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<v Speaker 1>In a bad way? I guess

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<v Speaker 2>not in a dating sense, but I have friends who

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<v Speaker 2>have done that.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you still friends? Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>did speak to the friend afterwards was like, that was

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<v Speaker 2>uncalled for for a little bit. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Safe to say that if a date did that, it

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<v Speaker 1>would be a red flag immediately for

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<v Speaker 2>you, I guess. Yeah, I've done like wedding banquets

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<v Speaker 1>before. You

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<v Speaker 2>see the way that people treat us? We had a

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<v Speaker 2>wedding banquet,

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<v Speaker 1>was it? It was bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it was a pretty tough job as well.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to carry loads of plates and the longest

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<v Speaker 2>was about

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<v Speaker 2>16 hours in a day. And then you learn to

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate people working at F&amp;B. Industry.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, no wonder that is your pet peeve, right? Because

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<v Speaker 1>you've had experience with its like production companies and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that when you work with them bringing you back

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<v Speaker 1>to your red flags, which is, you know the service

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<v Speaker 1>staff thing, like you mentioned earlier. What are some expectations

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<v Speaker 1>you think women have of men on the first date,

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<v Speaker 2>the first thing probably be, who's going to pay

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<v Speaker 2>the bill when the bill comes usually will be the guide. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Usually used to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it's the norm. Right?

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<v Speaker 1>So has your date ever offered to pay?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I was like, who offered to pay?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you offer to split or?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So what I think is I will always offer

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<v Speaker 2>to pay for the first date. Okay. No matter what

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<v Speaker 2>we got right, I would just, whenever the bill comes,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll pay for it first. And then if the girl

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<v Speaker 2>suggests splitting the bill or she offers to pay instead,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just take it as a huge plus point

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<v Speaker 1>Really because I have some friends whom I've spoken to,

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<v Speaker 1>whom I asked if your date offers to split the bill.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that mean that the date went horribly and you

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<v Speaker 1>just don't want to owe anyone anything

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day? Yeah. Am I overthinking,

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea if that's

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<v Speaker 2>the case then all my dates have been horrible. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>He needs to, he needs to be set up on a,

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<v Speaker 1>on a date very soon. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it's very normal. Like the guy will always

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<v Speaker 2>offer to pay first and then you just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like glance over the girl and see whether she wants

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<v Speaker 2>to make a little move? Yeah. Like a sudden movement,

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<v Speaker 2>like pretend to take a walk or something that counts.

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<v Speaker 1>At least pretend,

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<v Speaker 2>right? At least pretend,

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<v Speaker 1>right? You

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<v Speaker 2>slowly

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<v Speaker 2>yeah

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<v Speaker 1>away from something

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<v Speaker 2>you see the motion. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah. Yeah. You can judge a person's character from there.

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<v Speaker 2>But I know sometimes let's say the girl does not

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<v Speaker 2>offer to pay for dinner, right? When she says maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you can grab a drink,

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<v Speaker 1>okay. Then she gets the

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<v Speaker 2>drink gets

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<v Speaker 1>positive. I like that movie. So then let's just say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, aside from getting the bill on the first date,

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<v Speaker 1>there's so many other expectations that people have for each other.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going into a relationship or when they start dating

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<v Speaker 1>and all that. When you come to the texting phase, right?

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<v Speaker 1>When

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<v Speaker 1>people, you know, exchange messages usually that's the most exciting

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<v Speaker 1>part when you're like flirting and stuff like that. Usually

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<v Speaker 1>you would be the one making the first move. No.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would say so.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever come across a woman, a girl who

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<v Speaker 1>made the first move and you found it refreshing

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<v Speaker 2>for sure. Has that happened more than refreshing? It's very welcomed.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say. I think most of us like guys

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<v Speaker 2>who are used to making the first move. I'll be texting, asking,

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<v Speaker 2>asking to go out or whatever, right? And then when

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<v Speaker 2>a girl turn the table around and she does it first,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd be like, whoa, that's nice. Who doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>I want to feel like they're being liked by someone else. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Need to boost your ego a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean of course we have that too. And then,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, there's so many other like rules of dating,

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<v Speaker 1>such as when you text, like, you always have to

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<v Speaker 1>be the one to initiate stuff like that. Does this

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<v Speaker 1>still happen? Or is this like a high school

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<v Speaker 2>thing I think doesn't happen as often as high school

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned last time, it's always like, the guy must

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<v Speaker 2>make a lot of move. Just

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<v Speaker 1>waiting on my Motorola phone, like

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<v Speaker 2>for you can't see the text.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was remember in secondary school, like, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of girls in class, they'll be like, oh, he just

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<v Speaker 2>texted me but no girl, you cannot reply yet must

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<v Speaker 2>play hard to

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<v Speaker 1>get weight

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly 22 minutes to reply. And I was like, what

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<v Speaker 2>the number 23? I don't know, is the magic number

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<v Speaker 1>just make it look random?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just like, just don't make him feel like you

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<v Speaker 2>actually want to give him attention.

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<v Speaker 1>So as we grow up and we get very busy,

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<v Speaker 1>we actually don't have time to reply. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a different ballgame altogether. So I'm going to take

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<v Speaker 1>it one step further.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you feel about women proposing to men?

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, I don't know what to feel about it. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like the whole proposing situation is very stressful. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't it be a little bit paranoid? Okay, let's say

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<v Speaker 2>you are in the long-term relationship with someone and then

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<v Speaker 2>you are not 100% sure that the person will say

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<v Speaker 2>yes and then I wouldn't get a little bit awkward.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I personally I don't think too much

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<v Speaker 1>into proposals and stuff. Like I feel like it should

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<v Speaker 1>be a moment between two people can be simple. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have to be extravagant.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't you

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<v Speaker 1>know, don't don't put the laser beam stuff on MBS

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<v Speaker 2>for a balloon or something

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<v Speaker 1>or that drone thing. There was this guy, this drone

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<v Speaker 1>thing like, marry me, please. But she says no. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my

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<v Speaker 2>God. Or

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<v Speaker 1>worse, special to say yes. And then she's like, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>actually

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<v Speaker 2>met at a concert.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 2>thousands of people and

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<v Speaker 1>jay chou to say something.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't say no, right?

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<v Speaker 1>You can't say no, you can't say no. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>you can technically, but you'd be pressured to say yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But not really.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But let me talk later, Let's talk.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've seen a lot of women now proposing to

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<v Speaker 1>their partners, which is very interesting. I wonder whether that

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<v Speaker 1>makes you and fellow bros feel you know, a certain way. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>do you feel like awkward or like I should have

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<v Speaker 1>done that, you know, kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think a little bit, a little part of us,

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<v Speaker 2>we feel like maybe I should have made a move first.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it? Like, am I being too reluctant? Am I

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<v Speaker 2>too oblivious to

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<v Speaker 2>to what's going on here. Why am I not the

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<v Speaker 2>one making the move? Because typically I think we're all

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<v Speaker 2>taught that the guy should be the one making all

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<v Speaker 2>the

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<v Speaker 1>moves, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Such big decisions, especially like proposing. I think it's very

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<v Speaker 2>refreshing to see ladies take the turn instead. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so then I guess when it comes back to the

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<v Speaker 1>whole dating scene, right, when you're going out and you're

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<v Speaker 1>hanging out and stuff like that, let me give you

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<v Speaker 1>a situation. So it

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<v Speaker 1>for example, you guys are deciding where to go for

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<v Speaker 1>dinner and your date suggests like a super expensive Michelin

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<v Speaker 1>star restaurant. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>okay, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you be like, Okay to pay for that if

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<v Speaker 1>it's like 500 per hit? You know? Or do you

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<v Speaker 1>think that the person who suggested the place should offer

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<v Speaker 1>to split or pay for it to

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<v Speaker 2>honestly have not been put in such a situation before?

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<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine what it will be like. But honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like the two of you should agree on

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<v Speaker 2>a place that you both want to explore or you're

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<v Speaker 2>comfortable with financially, right? You can't be walking into a

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<v Speaker 2>place that you know, you can't afford and you will

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<v Speaker 2>never financially recover from it and it still offered to

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<v Speaker 2>pay the bill? I don't think it makes sense that Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's good to communicate first and see if you

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<v Speaker 2>guys can reach a mutual agreement

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<v Speaker 2>rather than forcing yourself to go to a place you're

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<v Speaker 2>not comfortable with

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<v Speaker 1>So then if your partner is constantly suggesting expensive places

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<v Speaker 1>every time you guys are going out, is that a

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<v Speaker 1>red flag for you?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it depends on what is your financial situation,

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<v Speaker 2>what is this? So if they're running away like way

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<v Speaker 2>more than you, right, you can understand why they want

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<v Speaker 2>to go to more extravagant places.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lifestyle. I think

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<v Speaker 2>you should, you know, suggest to them that, hey, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I don't

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy some hawker food today. Chicken

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<v Speaker 2>rice is nice too.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a balance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think you should communicate more and let them

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<v Speaker 2>know that you're not comfortable going out to expensive restaurants

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<v Speaker 2>every single time

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<v Speaker 1>and you have not encountered someone like this before,

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<v Speaker 2>luckily yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>actually your dating life has been quite team. Any interesting

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<v Speaker 1>stories or not from your past dates,

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<v Speaker 2>defined interest

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<v Speaker 1>that you want to spill here on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I'm still learning the whole dating scene,

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<v Speaker 1>really, you're still learning, but he's so eligible. What's going

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<v Speaker 1>on here? There must be something wrong. Tell me what,

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<v Speaker 1>what

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<v Speaker 1>are you, are you like generally an introvert for example,

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<v Speaker 1>or you're an introvert? Okay, and yet you're in the media,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, lovely. And I'm a, I'm a radio DJ,

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<v Speaker 2>so talk nonstop every day

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<v Speaker 1>and technically back in the past, being a radio presenter

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<v Speaker 1>may have come across as a slightly introverted alone all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, but now it's different, you're on camera, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you are hosting things outside in front of hundreds of people,

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<v Speaker 1>you're visiting schools, you're doing so many things. Does that

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<v Speaker 1>or your point or your line of work affect your

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<v Speaker 1>dating life sometimes. Like do do do women look at

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<v Speaker 1>you sometimes think like, oh, he must be very fancy

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<v Speaker 1>or in a lot like, you know, let me,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you have experience similar

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<v Speaker 1>I have over in Zurich actually the last time we

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<v Speaker 1>had there was a guy that came up to me

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<v Speaker 1>and he said, hey, you're sonia. And he was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>let me get you a drink.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said sure, like sure. And I was just

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<v Speaker 1>with friends and I wasn't seeing anyone at the point

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<v Speaker 1>in time. And then he goes, I really want to

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<v Speaker 1>ask you for your number and I want to ask

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<v Speaker 1>you out. And he was like, but the only thing

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<v Speaker 1>that's stopping me is that I'm sure you only at

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<v Speaker 1>Michelin star restaurants and I was like, okay, that was

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<v Speaker 1>the ultimate turn off for me. I was, I was

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I don't expect him to know me,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's just that he had an assumption of me

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<v Speaker 1>based on what he sees from social media. Either social media,

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<v Speaker 1>but then again on social media even post anything

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<v Speaker 2>you like, but merely a hawker center.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll be like fine, yeah, I love hawker food,

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<v Speaker 1>like why not?

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<v Speaker 2>Why make that assumption? I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know exactly in the first place. So I did

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<v Speaker 1>tell him like, hey man, I'm sorry, I'm not really

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<v Speaker 1>interested to continue the conversation but

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<v Speaker 1>like hope that hope you know that I don't only

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<v Speaker 1>michelin's tariffs. In fact that is like a rare occasion.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was my, my incident. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you have come across anything related to

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<v Speaker 2>That. Well I've met a lot of people like we're

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<v Speaker 2>just in a talking phase and realize that the timing

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<v Speaker 2>is really hard to match right? So I worked the

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<v Speaker 2>night shift from eight pm to 12

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<v Speaker 1>AM. That's

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<v Speaker 2>right. So the only time you can meet them if

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<v Speaker 2>they are also working adult is after work and before

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<v Speaker 2>my work starts. So if I do,

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<v Speaker 2>we have other filming or recording stuff going on that day.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm technically free before like seven plus PM.

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<v Speaker 1>But it makes things hard because people want to hang

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<v Speaker 1>out like dinner, then drinks

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<v Speaker 2>so you can't do that right now. The only time

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<v Speaker 2>you get to meet them is say after work which

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<v Speaker 2>is after 12 midnight. Yeah and then they have work

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>exactly how they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>do that as we can. But sometimes we go weekend

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<v Speaker 2>shift as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe that's why it's hard for you to be dating

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<v Speaker 1>so often

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<v Speaker 2>should we

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<v Speaker 1>appeal to your boss to change shift?

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<v Speaker 1>They think life can improve after this. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyways the thing

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<v Speaker 2>is that you just get to meet them about once

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<v Speaker 2>or twice a week and

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<v Speaker 1>is that enough for you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm quite okay at the moment. I think I'm quite

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<v Speaker 2>focused on my career. Okay. But

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<v Speaker 1>on that note, you know, still on dating obviously. What

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<v Speaker 1>if the girl that you asked what happened to be

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<v Speaker 1>extremely rich? Like she's like, I don't know, like tycoon's

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<v Speaker 1>daughter or something? Okay, will that change the dynamic then

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<v Speaker 1>for you if you guys go out

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<v Speaker 1>and she wants to get a fancy place and then

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<v Speaker 1>you go, I'm not sure because you know, I'm still

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<v Speaker 1>working very hard and hustling out there, but she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't worry, I got it. And it doesn't just happen

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<v Speaker 1>once it happens almost every single time. Don't worry about

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<v Speaker 1>it when you guys go out. Don't worry. I got it.

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<v Speaker 1>Like how does that make you feel? I

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<v Speaker 2>think if you pressure right

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<v Speaker 1>will you,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you bringing to the table here? What are

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<v Speaker 2>you contributing?

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<v Speaker 1>Unconditional love? Obviously. Okay. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that's one thing, but financially, you'll be like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's quite a burden you're going to make up for it.

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<v Speaker 2>I imagine

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<v Speaker 2>your friend, your friend is always the one paying, you

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<v Speaker 2>feel bad, right? That's what we thought, Yeah, you feel

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<v Speaker 2>like you owe this person something and you want to

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<v Speaker 2>make up to them. But I don't know how,

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean that is a very common thing nowadays.

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<v Speaker 1>I see sometimes my friends telling me about these things

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<v Speaker 1>too for some reason, you know, meeting somebody who's like

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<v Speaker 1>a lot wealthier than you and stuff could really throw

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<v Speaker 1>the dynamic off the entire relationship and change certain things.

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<v Speaker 1>But I wonder if the tables were turned and a

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<v Speaker 1>girl actually dated an extremely rich guy and he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I got it,

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<v Speaker 1>then we will just be like, okay, all right, well we,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I'm just thinking on behalf of my sisters.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I might just be like, yeah, sure. I don't mind.

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<v Speaker 1>But I could be suggesting next time like, hey guys,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we don't have to go expensive places all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've had girl friends, a

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<v Speaker 1>really rich men,

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<v Speaker 2>they'll be like, why not?

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<v Speaker 2>They'll be like, I'm bringing to the table, it's just me. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I put all this time to do my

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<v Speaker 2>makeup and all so he should appreciate my time and

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<v Speaker 2>in return he gives me his time plus his money.

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<v Speaker 2>So I feel like it's fair.

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<v Speaker 1>Really interesting. What about gifts though? I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>if he's always splurging on you like gives versus the

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<v Speaker 1>other way around. Like, would you feel like you owe

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<v Speaker 1>her something?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. I think even as normal friends, right?

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<v Speaker 2>You feel a bit weird, let's say for your birthday,

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<v Speaker 2>your friend gives you a really nice watch and you

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<v Speaker 2>give him like a tumbler in return.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the thought that counts technically. Yeah, but you feel

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit bad because the value doesn't really match

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<v Speaker 2>at all?

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<v Speaker 1>Where do you find friends like that who buy you

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<v Speaker 1>brand new watchers,

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<v Speaker 2>imaginary friends,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't actually exist. The tumbler friends exist,

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<v Speaker 2>Right? 100

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<v Speaker 1>percent. That's for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so I haven't been on dating apps before. Have

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<v Speaker 2>you? You

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<v Speaker 1>have which ones?

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<v Speaker 2>Everything I've tried, where was it? 3, 3, 3 different colors.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>yellow one, there's a red one. Purple one, is it? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>I think

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so unfamiliar with that, but according to a bumble

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<v Speaker 1>study bubble, sounds like the Yellow one. Is it is

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<v Speaker 1>it is it

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<v Speaker 1>81% of Singapore respondents say that gender roles make people

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<v Speaker 1>behave differently from who they truly are and 79% say

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<v Speaker 1>that gender roles make it more difficult to build equal relationships.

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<v Speaker 1>So the question is, have you ever pretended a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit too, you know, be a certain way on the

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<v Speaker 1>dating apps when you're getting to know people and you

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<v Speaker 1>try to I don't know, maybe overcompensate or your slight

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<v Speaker 1>different from who you really are when you're talking to

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<v Speaker 1>strangers on a

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<v Speaker 2>slightly different. I think I'm quite introverted, right? So when

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking to someone on a dating app, you can't

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<v Speaker 2>be like all shy and all. You've got to make

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<v Speaker 2>the first move, you gotta carry the conversation half the

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<v Speaker 2>time you got to add a little bit more extroverted

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<v Speaker 2>I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's one part, but I don't think there's any

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<v Speaker 2>other aspects of it

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<v Speaker 2>that pretended to be someone that I'm not,

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<v Speaker 1>have you met someone who did that before? Like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>your experience chatting with a person is almost completely different

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<v Speaker 1>from in person meeting? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's certainly a few experiences like that, like say the

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<v Speaker 2>person is very chatty on the app yourself, but when

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<v Speaker 2>you meet them, they're just like stoning

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<v Speaker 2>the time you'll be wondering, am I the boring one,

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<v Speaker 2>am I boring you? Right, what's happening here? Yeah, if

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<v Speaker 2>you had similar experiences,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, once again, I've never been on dating apps

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<v Speaker 2>just meeting people after texting them,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I have to say, I have to admit

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the guys I did it I met

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<v Speaker 1>at like clubs,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's why it's

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<v Speaker 2>easy to carry a conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>right? Yeah, so you actually, you actually meet someone in person,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know whether this is like kind of old

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<v Speaker 1>school because this is obviously pre pre pre pandemic, right?

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's the place where you would meet people like

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<v Speaker 1>bars clubs, you know, you just talk to you, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know whether the whole onset

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<v Speaker 1>the pandemic has changed the way people communicate with each

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<v Speaker 1>other and made people even more shy or less inclined

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<v Speaker 1>to make the first

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<v Speaker 2>move in person,

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<v Speaker 1>I think. So, you know?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's the only way during the pandemic

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<v Speaker 1>is exactly you can't actually meet people. So I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like people might have taken a few steps back, please

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<v Speaker 1>correct me if I'm wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Might have taken a few steps back in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>being more forthcoming in person when you meet people

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<v Speaker 2>nowadays. Yeah. So I think there's a layer of us

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<v Speaker 2>that we want to present our best site when you

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<v Speaker 2>first meet someone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, of course.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But sometimes we go a little bit too much

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<v Speaker 2>on that and then you're pretending to be someone you're not,

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<v Speaker 2>which I've heard a lot of stories about the guy

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<v Speaker 2>is acting really nice and polite

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<v Speaker 2>and then he's actually really controlling later on, the sort

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<v Speaker 2>of things,

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<v Speaker 1>but only time will tell, right? That's the problem. Like

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<v Speaker 1>you only know once you start dating them a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit longer, obviously when it comes to that as well,

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<v Speaker 1>you would have dated a whole bunch of different types

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<v Speaker 1>of people all around the shy ones. Independent ones, hit

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<v Speaker 1>strong ones. Do you feel intimidated by strong, independent women

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<v Speaker 1>who have, you know, strong opinions.

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<v Speaker 2>Not at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Not at all love it. You love

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<v Speaker 2>it. Very clingy person.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell us

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<v Speaker 1>tell us more.

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<v Speaker 2>So I need my personal space and time. So I

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<v Speaker 2>prefer if I have a few days of the week

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<v Speaker 2>to myself. Okay, I think that's great.

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<v Speaker 1>What if she's very controlling

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<v Speaker 2>in what we should check

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<v Speaker 1>the next decisions. No, that's possessive, right? Or definitions of it?

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<v Speaker 1>Or so I'm saying what if she wants to make

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<v Speaker 1>all the decisions? Like she's very headstrong. She has opinions

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<v Speaker 1>about what you do or what you wear and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's good to have someone to share their opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>You say, for example, the easiest one is choosing where

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<v Speaker 2>to eat. A lot of people just tell you that

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know anything. Whatever

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<v Speaker 1>you make you frustrated sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like it's not hard. Yeah, but when you tell

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<v Speaker 2>them you give them a few options would be like,

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<v Speaker 2>not really don't feel like this. So you actually do

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<v Speaker 2>have an opinion, Mind you just

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<v Speaker 1>don't want it. Didn't say it, I

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<v Speaker 2>just didn't want to say. Yeah, so I prefer if

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<v Speaker 2>they say it up front and then for other things

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<v Speaker 2>is like, let's say they give some advice on your

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<v Speaker 2>hmm I think it's great to hear a different opinion

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<v Speaker 2>from someone who's not in your shoes at the moment.

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<v Speaker 2>It's great to hear that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, okay, being in the media industry, I think

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<v Speaker 1>we can both relate on this. I've shared some experiences

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<v Speaker 1>before on this very show, actually about dating people outside

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<v Speaker 1>of my industry. Actually, I've never dated someone in the

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<v Speaker 1>industry before. It's all been outside and my experience has

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<v Speaker 1>been interesting to say the least, but I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to share yours first. Have you ever come across a

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<v Speaker 1>situation where you went on a date with someone

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, she, for example, doesn't think very much

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<v Speaker 1>of the industry that you're in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. What

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<v Speaker 1>happened there? Tell me more details. I think

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<v Speaker 2>she just met a few people from our industry before. Okay. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Or maybe even dated a few. Yeah. So she doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>think very highly off.

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<v Speaker 1>In what way, the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of things we do the working hours and also

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<v Speaker 2>the type of people that I think she met in

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<v Speaker 2>the industry.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So she thinks that we're just like having fun

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<v Speaker 1>all the time or sitting around all the time

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<v Speaker 1>and this is all very easy kind of thing, right?

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<v Speaker 1>That's what

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<v Speaker 2>she used to say. It's very easy to say, like,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't look as glamorous as it actually is. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's one thing. And then she'll be like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>think most of them are not very serious about relationships.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, really?

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<v Speaker 2>Heard that before.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard people saying things about people in the media industry, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, maybe you haven't figured out what you really

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<v Speaker 1>want to do yet, You're just having fun, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>doing this stuff because you haven't really truly figured out

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<v Speaker 1>your life. Um And I once was with this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>awkward situation,

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<v Speaker 1>we were at someone's wedding actually okay, and we had

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<v Speaker 1>been dating for, I think like maybe half a year

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<v Speaker 1>at least already. So attending a friend's wedding, It was

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<v Speaker 1>all his friends over there, sat down. They're all like doctors, lawyers,

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff. Okay, no offense against anyone, you

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<v Speaker 1>know because I've dated, I'm dating banker right now. I

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<v Speaker 1>used to date a doctor as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really see, you know the career as like

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<v Speaker 1>like one is better than the other or like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of thing because I feel we're all specialized in

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<v Speaker 1>our own way. I can't do surgery, he can't do this.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? Like you can't present on

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<v Speaker 1>radio or be in front of millions of people on

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<v Speaker 1>tv for example right?

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<v Speaker 1>But not knowing his friends over there, we sat down

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<v Speaker 1>and they all started talking about career I guess because

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<v Speaker 1>we're all around the same age ish. You know, some

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<v Speaker 1>of them a bit older, they're still trying to build

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<v Speaker 1>a career up to somewhere very stable and more senior.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think I had a few drinks and all

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<v Speaker 1>this guy who's a lawyer,

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<v Speaker 1>he was like, so what is it exactly you do

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<v Speaker 1>like aside from just looking nice in front of the camera.

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<v Speaker 1>So then I very nicely told him and described what

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<v Speaker 1>I do, you know, a busy day for us typically

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<v Speaker 1>and all

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<v Speaker 2>that right? And

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<v Speaker 1>then he started saying, do you know how much I

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<v Speaker 1>earn an hour, I bet like your whole month's pay

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<v Speaker 1>can't even like cover my one hour consultation fee. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like bitch, sit down. I know

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<v Speaker 2>who gave him the

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<v Speaker 1>permission permission to say that. I I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>disclose what our rates are, but you can sit down

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<v Speaker 1>okay sit down appreciates higher

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<v Speaker 2>than his. Our really.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean now maybe last time I was still like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean very new and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't understand. Yeah, I don't know where they think

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<v Speaker 2>of these kind of things. Um friends who could forget

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<v Speaker 2>that I was once our major

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<v Speaker 1>right? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And they'll be like, oh you know you got useless

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<v Speaker 2>degree if you got arts degree and I'm just there

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<v Speaker 2>like thanks, thanks a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>So I feel like these things, you know your industry,

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<v Speaker 1>the choices you make in school, you know, your tertiary education,

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<v Speaker 1>all that, it could already start forming certain perceptions and

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<v Speaker 1>people's expectations I

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<v Speaker 2>think depends on the kind of group of people they

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<v Speaker 2>hang out with as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly. My

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<v Speaker 2>friends would do like finance and then the whole group

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<v Speaker 2>all learning quite a bit for fresh Grad and then

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<v Speaker 2>they will judge other career choices. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sometimes you talk to me, they'd be like actually

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<v Speaker 2>what you choose to do this, you got no other choice.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I have to say this is a whole

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<v Speaker 1>other topic on its own right? But yeah, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to justify it. I mean as long as we

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy what we do,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't even

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<v Speaker 1>have to reveal too much information sometimes even to your

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<v Speaker 1>friends who might get a bit toxic sometimes. So on

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<v Speaker 1>that note as well, if you dated, say a girl

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<v Speaker 2>who

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<v Speaker 1>indeed earns more than

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<v Speaker 2>you,

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<v Speaker 1>how will that form your foundation of your relationship? Let's

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<v Speaker 1>say you're around the same age. She doesn't really quiet,

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<v Speaker 1>she doesn't look down on your industry nothing. But she

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<v Speaker 1>definitely earns more. Would you be okay with that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think it changes a lot of things. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't change a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 2>Normally let's say you're dating someone, you go with them

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<v Speaker 2>for a couple of months, you're going to start sharing

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<v Speaker 2>the bills for everything, right? Yeah. It's no longer just

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be like, I'm going to pay for all the

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<v Speaker 2>dates I'm going to pay for all the meals. It's

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<v Speaker 2>probably going to be

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<v Speaker 2>splitting or you cover the first one and she'll take

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<v Speaker 2>the second one and it's pretty equal from their own right.

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<v Speaker 2>So it matters a lot until you get to the

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<v Speaker 2>point of marriage.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny you mention that because you know, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a study that showed actually women, especially in more serious

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<v Speaker 1>relationships or who are married and stuff like that who

0:28:35.070 --> 0:28:39.570
<v Speaker 1>are very successful in their professional lives. They might actually

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<v Speaker 1>feel a little bit bad about it if they earn

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<v Speaker 1>more than their partner and try to overcompensate for

0:28:45.540 --> 0:28:49.410
<v Speaker 1>example at home. So maybe things like, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>will try my best to like spend more time with

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<v Speaker 1>the kids or do the dishes or offer to do

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<v Speaker 1>this and that. What is that? What are your thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>on that?

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting because if we're both working adults and we're both

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<v Speaker 2>working like full time jobs to cover your monthly bills

0:29:03.420 --> 0:29:05.300
<v Speaker 2>and the mortgage and stuff. Right? I think it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of weird that one person has to put in a

0:29:07.010 --> 0:29:09.890
<v Speaker 2>lot more time than the other. So let's say you're

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<v Speaker 2>working and I'm working and we come home, we're both

0:29:11.870 --> 0:29:14.550
<v Speaker 2>super tired, right? Then we should just split

0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:15.980
<v Speaker 2>all the house chores together.

0:29:15.990 --> 0:29:18.260
<v Speaker 1>Just don't do the chores. Like I just do it

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<v Speaker 1>tomorrow helper. I don't know. So on the topic of

0:29:21.220 --> 0:29:23.210
<v Speaker 1>like dating norms and stuff like that, I know there's

0:29:23.210 --> 0:29:26.080
<v Speaker 1>an invisible rule book around like what we should and

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't do right? Have you ever offered to go dutch

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<v Speaker 1>on the first date?

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<v Speaker 2>Like ask the girl you want to go dutch with me? Never,

0:29:33.740 --> 0:29:37.750
<v Speaker 1>never. You've always offered to pay for. Oh, interesting.

0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:40.739
<v Speaker 2>So personally, I think it should be whoever asked the

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<v Speaker 2>other person to offer to pay first and also

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<v Speaker 2>the first date. I think it's nice. Okay, that's certain

0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:50.020
<v Speaker 2>gender norms when it comes to dating, right? Like you

0:29:50.020 --> 0:29:52.430
<v Speaker 2>want to show that chivalry, isn't it? Gentlemen, and you

0:29:52.430 --> 0:29:52.959
<v Speaker 2>want to pay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. Okay. So

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<v Speaker 2>I always offer to pay first and if the girl

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<v Speaker 2>offers to split the bill with me, I'll be like,

0:29:59.080 --> 0:30:01.890
<v Speaker 2>that's okay, You can give me the next time. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And then 2nd date, Huh? That's a good one.

0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:05.780
<v Speaker 2>That's, that's what I tell myself. It's kind of smooth.

0:30:05.790 --> 0:30:07.750
<v Speaker 2>But I don't know if it is. Yeah,

0:30:07.760 --> 0:30:09.470
<v Speaker 1>but there was no second date for some of them.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to say to the camera, Okay, what about

0:30:12.210 --> 0:30:12.600
<v Speaker 1>you?

0:30:12.900 --> 0:30:15.750
<v Speaker 1>Um Okay. I'm a little bit more complex when it

0:30:15.750 --> 0:30:17.760
<v Speaker 1>comes to these things. I don't know if it's like

0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:21.230
<v Speaker 1>a girl thing or what, but usually, okay, more often

0:30:21.230 --> 0:30:23.190
<v Speaker 1>than not, the guy offers to pay on the first

0:30:23.190 --> 0:30:25.900
<v Speaker 1>date I will definitely offer. I'd be like, hey, like,

0:30:25.910 --> 0:30:28.110
<v Speaker 1>do you want to split this? Or like, would you

0:30:28.110 --> 0:30:29.840
<v Speaker 1>like to, you know or would you like to go

0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:32.190
<v Speaker 1>for drinks after like you mentioned or get the next

0:30:32.190 --> 0:30:35.870
<v Speaker 1>one or whatever. Usually they'll say no, but if they

0:30:35.870 --> 0:30:38.320
<v Speaker 1>say like, okay, you get it or like, yeah, okay,

0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:39.140
<v Speaker 1>we can split.

0:30:39.340 --> 0:30:42.670
<v Speaker 1>I might take it as maybe the date didn't go

0:30:42.670 --> 0:30:46.380
<v Speaker 1>as well as I thought. Yeah. Am I overthinking? I

0:30:46.380 --> 0:30:49.990
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I think like my company wasn't like worth

0:30:49.990 --> 0:30:53.080
<v Speaker 1>his while to like get me, you know, this is

0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:55.510
<v Speaker 1>just me in my head. I don't actually for you

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<v Speaker 2>offering to split the bill someone, Maybe it means like

0:30:58.220 --> 0:30:59.700
<v Speaker 2>the day is not as well

0:30:59.710 --> 0:31:02.520
<v Speaker 1>if it is, if it's not going well or if

0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:04.840
<v Speaker 1>I have fully decided, I don't want to continue a

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 1>second date. I would just say, don't worry, I got

0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:07.920
<v Speaker 1>it

0:31:08.410 --> 0:31:11.110
<v Speaker 1>or I don't know if that's rude, but I'll be like, hey,

0:31:11.110 --> 0:31:12.980
<v Speaker 1>don't worry about this. I think we should split it.

0:31:12.990 --> 0:31:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Like I'll be very firm about it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you don't order anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, basically

0:31:17.570 --> 0:31:18.610
<v Speaker 2>interesting. Is

0:31:18.610 --> 0:31:20.810
<v Speaker 1>it rude? Oh my God, I don't know. I don't know.

0:31:20.810 --> 0:31:21.080
<v Speaker 1>It's not

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<v Speaker 2>rude. It's just interesting.

0:31:22.660 --> 0:31:25.350
<v Speaker 1>But most of the people that I have gone out

0:31:25.350 --> 0:31:26.980
<v Speaker 1>for like dates with our dinner is just not a

0:31:26.980 --> 0:31:29.030
<v Speaker 1>lot of dates. I mean, I usually end up like

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:32.610
<v Speaker 1>with them anyway. Yeah. So I haven't really had the

0:31:32.610 --> 0:31:34.920
<v Speaker 1>experience of dating around

0:31:35.150 --> 0:31:38.140
<v Speaker 1>several people like while I'm single. Yeah, done that.

0:31:38.150 --> 0:31:39.510
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So

0:31:39.510 --> 0:31:44.780
<v Speaker 1>yeah, get on it. It's time. It's time what's stopping you? Like,

0:31:44.790 --> 0:31:46.860
<v Speaker 1>I mean, now everything is open and clubs are open

0:31:46.860 --> 0:31:48.490
<v Speaker 1>and everything really right? Like

0:31:48.500 --> 0:31:49.160
<v Speaker 2>why not?

0:31:49.170 --> 0:31:51.680
<v Speaker 1>But do you think now in this day and age

0:31:51.690 --> 0:31:53.209
<v Speaker 1>with social media with a lot of

0:31:53.220 --> 0:31:55.660
<v Speaker 1>changing ideas and all that? These norms are shifting. I

0:31:55.660 --> 0:31:59.160
<v Speaker 2>think slowly because we're opening up to more conversations online,

0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:02.160
<v Speaker 2>especially on like Tiktok and stuff. People are not as

0:32:02.170 --> 0:32:07.050
<v Speaker 2>afraid to discuss certain dating norms, certain invisible rules you

0:32:07.050 --> 0:32:10.710
<v Speaker 2>have to abide by. Which is good. So people slowly

0:32:10.710 --> 0:32:11.300
<v Speaker 2>think

0:32:11.470 --> 0:32:13.330
<v Speaker 2>from the other perspective. Yeah.

0:32:13.340 --> 0:32:17.120
<v Speaker 1>And the interesting thing is, you know, now in our

0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:20.540
<v Speaker 1>generation to people are so open to talking about many,

0:32:20.540 --> 0:32:25.520
<v Speaker 1>many different issues relationship status, genders. Everything like on social

0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:27.620
<v Speaker 1>media and you know, in a public space. Right? So

0:32:27.620 --> 0:32:29.280
<v Speaker 1>it's interesting because in this book called

0:32:29.290 --> 0:32:33.510
<v Speaker 1>Amazing game, It talks about how LGBT Q relationships might

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<v Speaker 1>be doing better because there's no gender norms and they

0:32:37.630 --> 0:32:41.120
<v Speaker 1>strive for like an equal dating experience. So how do

0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:42.170
<v Speaker 1>you feel about that?

0:32:42.180 --> 0:32:44.540
<v Speaker 2>I don't really know too much about it. I've done

0:32:44.540 --> 0:32:48.160
<v Speaker 2>some like feminism studies, but I don't know too much

0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:50.930
<v Speaker 2>about the dating world in L. G. B. T. Q. Community.

0:32:50.940 --> 0:32:53.490
<v Speaker 2>So I can't say much on their behalf, right? Yeah.

0:32:53.500 --> 0:32:56.840
<v Speaker 2>But I I can imagine it taking place like maybe

0:32:56.840 --> 0:32:57.640
<v Speaker 2>they won't be

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<v Speaker 2>as restricted as certain rules that we might face in.

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<v Speaker 2>So

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<v Speaker 1>that means also like, you know, when it comes down

0:33:05.290 --> 0:33:07.680
<v Speaker 1>to dating, you would definitely just want to date someone

0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:10.160
<v Speaker 1>who is on the same page as you have the

0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:11.520
<v Speaker 1>same ideals

0:33:11.530 --> 0:33:13.620
<v Speaker 2>for sure. And I think it's important on the first

0:33:13.620 --> 0:33:16.690
<v Speaker 2>date right? To feel like you're being viewed as an

0:33:16.690 --> 0:33:20.200
<v Speaker 2>equal half. Yeah, So let's see, I've heard arguments like

0:33:20.200 --> 0:33:22.070
<v Speaker 2>the girls who tell me that, you know, I put

0:33:22.070 --> 0:33:22.300
<v Speaker 2>in a

0:33:22.310 --> 0:33:24.450
<v Speaker 2>time to do my makeup. I travel all the way

0:33:24.450 --> 0:33:27.840
<v Speaker 2>down here. Yeah, I'm spending my evening with you. That's

0:33:27.840 --> 0:33:30.760
<v Speaker 2>my fair share for the night and I'll be like, okay,

0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:33.240
<v Speaker 2>that's cool. But I also take time to come down

0:33:33.240 --> 0:33:34.430
<v Speaker 2>here to do

0:33:34.430 --> 0:33:35.950
<v Speaker 1>your makeup, You know,

0:33:36.380 --> 0:33:39.440
<v Speaker 2>makeup. I did like 10 seconds on my hair, 10 seconds,

0:33:40.010 --> 0:33:43.000
<v Speaker 1>10 seconds of your life went down into that. Yeah,

0:33:43.010 --> 0:33:43.690
<v Speaker 1>I

0:33:43.700 --> 0:33:45.440
<v Speaker 2>did put in some effort as well. But I feel

0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:46.640
<v Speaker 2>like the main point about

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:49.430
<v Speaker 2>Others to split the bill or just letting the other

0:33:49.430 --> 0:33:51.860
<v Speaker 2>person know that we are equal when it comes to

0:33:51.860 --> 0:33:54.610
<v Speaker 2>dating is very important because I feel like if the

0:33:54.610 --> 0:33:58.860
<v Speaker 2>dating dynamics from the very start is not close to

0:33:58.870 --> 0:34:02.240
<v Speaker 2>at least 50% or even 45%, it's gonna just go

0:34:02.240 --> 0:34:03.990
<v Speaker 2>down here later on in the relationship.

0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:06.900
<v Speaker 1>And I feel like what we addressed also about, you know,

0:34:06.900 --> 0:34:10.170
<v Speaker 1>your career choices, the phase of life that you're in,

0:34:10.180 --> 0:34:12.640
<v Speaker 1>your financial status, you know, where you're at

0:34:12.650 --> 0:34:15.510
<v Speaker 1>in life and stuff like that, all that really comes

0:34:15.510 --> 0:34:18.689
<v Speaker 1>into play when it comes to dating as well because

0:34:18.700 --> 0:34:20.670
<v Speaker 1>imagine this, I mean, you know, I'm so proud of

0:34:20.670 --> 0:34:23.630
<v Speaker 1>us women nowadays, like we are so much more career

0:34:23.630 --> 0:34:26.940
<v Speaker 1>oriented now more than ever. Everyone is like, you know,

0:34:26.940 --> 0:34:29.600
<v Speaker 1>I want to prioritize myself, I want to prioritize my career,

0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:31.900
<v Speaker 1>I want to own my own apartment, things like that.

0:34:31.900 --> 0:34:33.790
<v Speaker 1>I think that's super cool that a lot of young

0:34:33.790 --> 0:34:36.910
<v Speaker 1>women out there are doing this now, which is you know,

0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:38.450
<v Speaker 1>then throwing the ballet

0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:41.890
<v Speaker 1>a little in regards of the old school way of thinking,

0:34:41.900 --> 0:34:44.270
<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, old school is the man has to bring

0:34:44.270 --> 0:34:46.239
<v Speaker 2>the food to the table, is going to provide for

0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:48.190
<v Speaker 2>the family and I feel like a huge part of

0:34:48.190 --> 0:34:52.040
<v Speaker 2>society still views it as the same old way Yeah,

0:34:52.040 --> 0:34:53.880
<v Speaker 2>they'll be like, what is the purpose of a man

0:34:53.890 --> 0:34:56.189
<v Speaker 2>not to bring food and provide for a family?

0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:58.860
<v Speaker 1>Well, I had a very eye opening conversation with a

0:34:58.870 --> 0:35:02.480
<v Speaker 1>friend of mine recently. He's this like super good looking dude.

0:35:02.489 --> 0:35:04.260
<v Speaker 1>I mean an acquaintance, I don't really know him that well.

0:35:04.590 --> 0:35:07.120
<v Speaker 1>Super good looking guy, you know, in a serious, serious

0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:11.169
<v Speaker 1>relationship already and we were just chatting and stuff in

0:35:11.170 --> 0:35:14.799
<v Speaker 1>a friend setting and we want the topic of relationships

0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:18.830
<v Speaker 1>as well. So I said, hey, like, you know, you're doing,

0:35:18.840 --> 0:35:21.400
<v Speaker 1>you're doing decently at work and stuff, but you've always

0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:23.600
<v Speaker 1>said that you want to be a stay home dad.

0:35:23.610 --> 0:35:25.310
<v Speaker 1>Like that's what he's always said,

0:35:25.530 --> 0:35:29.850
<v Speaker 1>but his parents asian parents say no, you can't, you

0:35:29.850 --> 0:35:31.960
<v Speaker 1>got to go out and work and he's like, but

0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:36.520
<v Speaker 1>my girlfriend slash soon to be fiance wife is super

0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:40.239
<v Speaker 1>successful and she's earning good money. Why can't I be

0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:43.509
<v Speaker 1>the one staying at home? Because he actually doesn't mind

0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:45.850
<v Speaker 1>doing the reverse that he doesn't mind taking care of

0:35:45.850 --> 0:35:48.060
<v Speaker 1>the kids cleaning up. Like he loves doing that

0:35:48.060 --> 0:35:49.040
<v Speaker 2>stuff. Okay, that's,

0:35:49.050 --> 0:35:50.410
<v Speaker 1>that's great.

0:35:50.420 --> 0:35:52.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean more than me

0:35:52.420 --> 0:35:54.360
<v Speaker 2>put on a cute apron and I will with

0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:55.310
<v Speaker 1>nothing underneath.

0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:57.420
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if that's what you like, right, right. I'm not

0:35:57.420 --> 0:36:00.420
<v Speaker 2>judging here, but honestly, okay, I don't think I'm suitable

0:36:00.420 --> 0:36:02.509
<v Speaker 2>to be like a stay at home dad. I can't

0:36:02.510 --> 0:36:05.400
<v Speaker 2>stay home or you'll be too relaxing and then I

0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:07.350
<v Speaker 2>would just lose track of whatever is in my life

0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:09.860
<v Speaker 2>so I can't do that and I would appreciate if

0:36:09.870 --> 0:36:11.810
<v Speaker 2>my partner goes out to work as well. So I

0:36:11.810 --> 0:36:14.700
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't want to have like a stay at home partner,

0:36:14.710 --> 0:36:15.760
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean? Okay,

0:36:15.760 --> 0:36:18.640
<v Speaker 1>so it has to be someone of an equal. You know,

0:36:18.640 --> 0:36:19.299
<v Speaker 1>something I feel like

0:36:19.310 --> 0:36:21.410
<v Speaker 2>sometimes if you have too much time to yourself, you

0:36:21.410 --> 0:36:22.089
<v Speaker 2>just get lost.

0:36:22.100 --> 0:36:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Yes, you don't know what to

0:36:23.170 --> 0:36:26.200
<v Speaker 2>do. Yeah, I think it's kind of scary to do that.

0:36:26.210 --> 0:36:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, so you know what, all the best in

0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:30.390
<v Speaker 1>your dating life, Please keep us

0:36:30.400 --> 0:36:31.720
<v Speaker 2>updated. Sure. We

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<v Speaker 1>can do a follow up mini episode your dating life

0:36:34.940 --> 0:36:36.410
<v Speaker 1>in the next few months.

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<v Speaker 2>Few months. Optimistic,

0:36:38.360 --> 0:36:41.140
<v Speaker 1>optimistic. Okay, by the end of the year, which is

0:36:41.140 --> 0:36:41.900
<v Speaker 1>also quite close.

0:36:41.910 --> 0:36:45.210
<v Speaker 2>Sure, okay, I'll go and drink a bit more. Yeah,

0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:46.190
<v Speaker 1>we'll take

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