WEBVTT - Are men just doing the bare minimum in love or simply unromantic?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, it's Sonia. Welcome to another episode of men. Explain

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<v Speaker 1>today we're going straight to it. Are men too logical

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<v Speaker 1>and unromantic or are they simply not putting in enough effort?

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a couple here with me here today. Please

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<v Speaker 1>introduce yourself. You guys, hi,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone. I'm Fabian. Um This is my wife. We just

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<v Speaker 2>got married and we are expecting a child. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Deborah in case you forgot my

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<v Speaker 2>name. I thought I'm introducing myself, then you introduce yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>introduce both of us. I mean, you guys, people might

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<v Speaker 1>have already seen you on social media, on tiktok on

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<v Speaker 1>all these places. So how has that sort of changed

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<v Speaker 1>your relationship so far? I mean, you know, you started

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<v Speaker 1>off with being very open about your relationship. Not everyone

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<v Speaker 1>is

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<v Speaker 1>OK with that, but you guys were and it was

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<v Speaker 1>a

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<v Speaker 2>hit funny story is that when we first started tiktok, right? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>my videos would not show her face. They

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<v Speaker 1>will show like like they hide, my face will not

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<v Speaker 1>be shown this one. So launching, show my face. I

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<v Speaker 1>break up with you, you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>so her is like if she breaks up with me

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<v Speaker 2>I can still find someone with the same body

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<v Speaker 1>and then you can replace me. And

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<v Speaker 2>obviously it is a long joke, but it worked out

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<v Speaker 2>and then we started to show

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<v Speaker 2>ourselves on social media more and more. Yeah, we did

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<v Speaker 2>not expect to blow up. He was doing the lockdown

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<v Speaker 2>and we had nothing to do. And we just started

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<v Speaker 2>creating like couple comedy and like pranking each other.

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<v Speaker 1>But it started from him. He had like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of strange idea. He's like each other. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>do that idea, you know, for like my 23 followers

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<v Speaker 1>or let's do those fun, fun, fun, fun. Got nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to do. Don't attack my 23 followers. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>supporting you. So you guys compliment

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<v Speaker 1>each other somehow. I feel. So

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<v Speaker 2>and the weird part is that we have so little

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<v Speaker 2>in common when we first started dating, like, really tell

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<v Speaker 2>me more about like, I like gaming. I like anime.

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<v Speaker 2>I like, I like, like, like stuff but she is

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<v Speaker 2>the complete opposite. So like movies that I like to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>Lord of the Rings. She does not,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't, I can't follow a lot of the Rings

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<v Speaker 1>too much. Like I really try it and he made

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<v Speaker 1>me watch anime and I want to try for the

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<v Speaker 1>whole first episode. I'm like, why

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<v Speaker 1>does she suddenly have things like what's happening here?

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't like we had so little in common but

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<v Speaker 2>the beauty of it that when we first started dating, like,

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<v Speaker 2>her concern was like, do you think, like, we have

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<v Speaker 2>very little in common? Is that going to be like

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<v Speaker 2>a factor? I'm like, actually it makes sense because now

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<v Speaker 2>you got the best of both worlds. Yeah. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>always like you always get to do something new. It's

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<v Speaker 2>always a different experience. Her interest. I need to learn my,

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<v Speaker 2>my interest, she learns and it's like something new you

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<v Speaker 2>always introducing to the relationship. It does compliment

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<v Speaker 1>me a lot. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>actually I'm very logical talking about whether men are more

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<v Speaker 1>logical today, more pessimistic. He's like a dreamer. You

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<v Speaker 2>know why we do this? And she's like pulling me. No,

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<v Speaker 2>be real.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that, that's not gonna happen. OK. OK. So since

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about your early courtship days, tell me, how

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<v Speaker 1>did he

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<v Speaker 1>commend you to convince you that, hey, you know, this

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<v Speaker 1>could be something I want to work at since you

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<v Speaker 1>had not so much in common in the beginning, I

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<v Speaker 1>think for me, I'm a very guarded person. Yeah. So like, um,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, is it trauma or another for another day?

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<v Speaker 1>But I was like a really guarded person. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>someone who I realized like, don't lay my cards on

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<v Speaker 1>the table, right? I'm still, I'm clear like what the

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<v Speaker 1>other person want. So I feel like the best thing

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<v Speaker 1>he did in the beginning of our course,

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<v Speaker 1>he's just such a, you know, they say like golden

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<v Speaker 1>retriever energy. Yeah, like he's just so like, oh like

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<v Speaker 1>he's so straightforward, he's so confident in like, in his feelings.

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<v Speaker 1>So he's always just like, yeah, you know, I like you.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to date you. Yeah, this is what I do.

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<v Speaker 1>Not like

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<v Speaker 2>I was like straight forward.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like for me, it made me feel very

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<v Speaker 1>safe to pursue the relationship, right? So he gave you

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<v Speaker 1>the assurance first. Then you like, OK, maybe I go right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. That's right. So he he told me

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<v Speaker 1>loves me first. So after I was like, let me

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<v Speaker 1>contemplate this new information and then yeah, I know. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's very much our dynamic in the beginning. That's cute guys.

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<v Speaker 1>That's very cut and we met on coffee me and

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, oh I deleted the app and everything. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's very like there's no game. You're like, ok, let

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<v Speaker 1>me think about that. My premium account, she

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<v Speaker 2>was, she was my last date, but I was her

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<v Speaker 2>first date. So that was the beginning of her dating phase.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the end of my dating.

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<v Speaker 1>You just, and I just went in there and like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ending the dating now

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<v Speaker 2>is over after I met her. I was like, oh man,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to marry this girl. Yeah, and I I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to marry this girl, but she was like, I

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<v Speaker 2>still want to like date. I mean, it's fair enough Right,

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<v Speaker 2>because she just started dating. I can't hold her down.

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<v Speaker 2>So like I did, I did in the sense that

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<v Speaker 2>I said I told

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<v Speaker 1>so, then my next question is, what are your perceptions

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<v Speaker 1>of romance? For example, because I think in a, in

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<v Speaker 1>a relationship, you know, in a couple, right. It's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of hard to always be on the same page. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what I might think is romantic is not what my

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<v Speaker 1>partner thinks is romantic. And if we don't get on

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<v Speaker 1>the same page of each other's love languages for lack

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<v Speaker 1>of a better word, then we may not feel like

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<v Speaker 1>we are giving each other the romance or the affection.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe we start with you. Tell us what is

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<v Speaker 1>your idea of romance? So I've always known that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a very like

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<v Speaker 1>away from cliche and big romantic gestures, like 99 roses.

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<v Speaker 1>Like those doesn't hit me like I feel very like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but yeah, I'm super into like daily romance.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember one of my favorite quotes about love was

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<v Speaker 1>I want a Tuesday kind of love. Is that from

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<v Speaker 1>a song? I, I don't know where I think I

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<v Speaker 1>was in my tumblr face or

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't think so. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean, it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds so cliche. No, but it's like

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<v Speaker 1>I remember even on my dating app, they were like,

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<v Speaker 1>what's your idea of a perfect Sunday or whatever? And

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, we're waking up we're making pancakes

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<v Speaker 1>and then we go on, you know, like the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of daily, daily thing. So that is my idea of romance.

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<v Speaker 1>I find that like, super romantic, you know, daily stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Not like, I don't know what to do with flowers,

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<v Speaker 1>like they die. And then I'm like, what do I

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<v Speaker 1>do with that now? You know. So I don't, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't like this kind of things and I think, I

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<v Speaker 1>think coincidentally he is someone of a very, like, everyday

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<v Speaker 1>romance kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, ok. So both of you have the same idea

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<v Speaker 1>of what romance is. Yes. But I think there was

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<v Speaker 1>also much learning to be done

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<v Speaker 2>because the learning was big. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Ok. You can tell us what is your idea when

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<v Speaker 2>we first started dating? There was a lot that I

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<v Speaker 2>needed to learn and change. There was a period so

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<v Speaker 2>that she actually broke up with me for one month

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<v Speaker 2>and it was actually during that period that I realized actually,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I've been a, I've been a dick

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<v Speaker 2>and I needed to change for, for her.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I did, I did a lot of like,

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<v Speaker 2>learning and like, you know, self development. Yeah. So I

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<v Speaker 2>realized that because I love her, I need to accept

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<v Speaker 2>things that are not right with me. I need to

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<v Speaker 2>change this aspect of myself. I need to change my laziness,

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<v Speaker 2>my attitude towards the way I treat her.

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<v Speaker 2>And like, even even like daily things like making coffee

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<v Speaker 2>for her last time I'll be like making noise. I like,

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<v Speaker 2>can you just go do it yourself, like, you know? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You realize that that is how she likes to be appreciated.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct? Yeah. So like things like bring her out for

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<v Speaker 2>walks or like, like a dog but she's very, like

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<v Speaker 2>after a while I start to learn and that she

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<v Speaker 2>is actually very easy to please in, in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>like

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<v Speaker 2>she likes like she just like

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I want to give you a shovel right now

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<v Speaker 1>today the day I

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<v Speaker 2>die. No, no. But she loves this as a compliment

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<v Speaker 2>for her. Like she she loves like just making her

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<v Speaker 2>cup noodles and like making her coffee simple things and

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<v Speaker 2>she finds that like that's her romantic like gesture that

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<v Speaker 2>I can do for

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<v Speaker 1>her. I think there's something romantic about people knowing the

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<v Speaker 1>small things that you like

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<v Speaker 1>pay attention to that and then giving that to you,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like everyone can buy flowers, you know, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, what are the very specific things he knows?

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<v Speaker 1>I like this specific brand of whatever the way I

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<v Speaker 1>like my coffee. You know, these are like the romantic

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that I feel.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm actually a very hopeless and romantic kind of person. Ok.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's get to this

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<v Speaker 1>in romantic from hopeless, romantic,

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<v Speaker 2>hopeless. I was very bad at like I was,

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<v Speaker 2>he

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<v Speaker 1>took a course and our relationship

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<v Speaker 2>along the way. I kind of realized that, that um ok,

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<v Speaker 2>so like, I don't want to talk about my past relationships,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was bad because I realized after meeting her

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<v Speaker 2>that wait, I actually do need to change a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>I need to grow up, you know. So like when

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<v Speaker 2>it came to her, I wanted to be serious. So

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<v Speaker 2>things like she had this thing where she said that, ok,

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<v Speaker 2>when we did every single week, we have to go

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<v Speaker 2>for at least a date night. Ok. So we don't

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<v Speaker 2>let

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<v Speaker 2>die off and we still carry that tradition three years

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<v Speaker 2>later until today. So at the time, like why must

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<v Speaker 2>we do that? Like why, why you need to preplan

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<v Speaker 2>just go out, go out, you know, that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So like I realized that she is someone who likes

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<v Speaker 2>to preplan stuff and then I have to lock it

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<v Speaker 2>down and then she likes that like, like that authority.

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<v Speaker 2>She doesn't like that last minute. Let just go. She

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<v Speaker 2>finds that unromantic

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<v Speaker 1>total opposite. Like you want to do this. OK? You

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<v Speaker 1>want to do this? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>OK. So do you date people who are exactly like

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<v Speaker 1>you but somehow or totally opposite. I mean, I am

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<v Speaker 1>seeing somebody now. Um I would say he is very

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<v Speaker 1>much like you like he's very like he would be

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<v Speaker 1>12345 and today I'm doing 5214 somehow just opposite. People

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<v Speaker 1>just meet each other and each other. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what

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<v Speaker 2>it is. Fun. Right. It's funny

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<v Speaker 1>in a way sometimes he gets irritated

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<v Speaker 1>because he's like, but, but I will give him credit

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<v Speaker 1>because he also realized that, hey, we have to learn

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<v Speaker 1>about each other's patterns and, like, how we work and

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<v Speaker 1>certain things cannot entirely be changed. You know? And you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to completely change your. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>In a way. Ok. So we get to you now,

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<v Speaker 1>what is your idea of romance? Does she meet the requirements?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually a very easy guy, please. Like, um,

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<v Speaker 2>like, I love it when she takes interest in my interest.

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<v Speaker 2>So for example, like, like anime Lord of the Rings. Yeah. Yeah. No,

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<v Speaker 2>but I really, really love it. Like, there are a

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<v Speaker 2>few times where she's like, can I play video games?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, wow, where did that come from? So, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I will be out like my other Playstation controller and

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<v Speaker 2>we will be playing games but then I get frustrated because,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my God. Yeah. But, but I really love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I really love it and then like, spontaneous things where she, like,

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<v Speaker 2>say

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<v Speaker 2>let's watch Game of Thrones all over again. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my God, I'm down, oh my God, you're speaking

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<v Speaker 2>my language. There's two love languages that we have to,

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<v Speaker 2>that we, like, portray the strongest, right? Like for hours

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<v Speaker 2>it's time and touch both. We have the same, but

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<v Speaker 2>I read it somewhere that we actually, we have the

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<v Speaker 2>hidden love language as well on the third and mine

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<v Speaker 2>is actually words of affirmation. I realized it likewise. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Hers is act of service.

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<v Speaker 2>Correct. Yeah. Yeah. So I love it. Like when she

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<v Speaker 2>like says things like, like just to boost my confidence

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<v Speaker 2>and my moral up, you know, it's like, because I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes it like life gets you down but she's always

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<v Speaker 2>there to like pick me back up. Yeah. So I

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<v Speaker 2>love these moments from her. It's like those simple, simple

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<v Speaker 2>things that just brings me back up. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like this whole podcast is a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a bonding session for two of you

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<v Speaker 1>therapy session.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Turns out soon. Third party. I just, I just

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<v Speaker 1>be $200 actually 252 150 girls. Ok. Anyway, so on

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<v Speaker 1>that note, you know, since we are on a good

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<v Speaker 1>role there, I have some um some research that has

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<v Speaker 1>been done and theories that you may or may not

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<v Speaker 1>agree with. So let's read some of it out and discuss. Ok.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the first one is men tend to fall in

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<v Speaker 1>love faster whereas women are more guarded.

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<v Speaker 1>True or

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<v Speaker 2>no, I will speak for myself. True, true, true, true.

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<v Speaker 2>And

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<v Speaker 1>for you, you think, yeah, for

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<v Speaker 2>sure. I had to chase her hard, hard,

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<v Speaker 1>she needed convincing that she doesn't need to be on

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<v Speaker 1>the app

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<v Speaker 2>anymore, like hundreds every day. Like

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<v Speaker 1>an interview. What is your biggest strength? OK. The next

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<v Speaker 1>one is men say I love you first. Whereas women

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<v Speaker 1>say I love you more often.

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<v Speaker 1>And you mentioned this earlier that he said it first

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<v Speaker 2>hand.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if I say it more often.

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<v Speaker 2>Um

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<v Speaker 1>Somehow, same, same I feel, I feel the same way.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't think who said I love you first.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually, I'm not sure. Uh, being, being very Capricorn,

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<v Speaker 1>we might have timed it.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, like today you say, ok. No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>but I accidentally introduced him as my boyfriend first, accidentally, accidentally.

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<v Speaker 1>So it wasn't a trap or anything or was it?

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<v Speaker 1>But he was like, oh, I just realized that you

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<v Speaker 1>addressed me as your boyfriend. I was like, oh my God,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't realize that you mean you are not exclusive.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, wait, this is new information. So, yeah. II,

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly can't remember. It might have been around the

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<v Speaker 1>same time.

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<v Speaker 2>I think like that was my moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Most nerve wracking moment to tell her that I love her.

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<v Speaker 2>Did

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<v Speaker 1>you plan when exactly? Or you felt that it was

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<v Speaker 1>all the time? This was

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<v Speaker 2>after she broke up with me. And then I said,

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<v Speaker 2>do you want to go for supper one month later?

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<v Speaker 2>And then I went on for supper. I love you,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, in case you don't know if, if

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<v Speaker 2>I in case I don't ever get to say this

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<v Speaker 2>in case you don't want to date me. I actually

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<v Speaker 2>love you. Yeah, it's very cliche. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was gonna respond. He is like, OK, just

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<v Speaker 1>hold that thought because I need to pee

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<v Speaker 1>and then he drove off and then he was like

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<v Speaker 1>see you tomorrow or something like that. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like you just flat. I think I only

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<v Speaker 1>said it maybe a month plus later. Yeah, girl, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and within that month, I still like said I love

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<v Speaker 2>you on this but she would not reply that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff. So I didn't give up. And then like

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<v Speaker 2>I remember there was one time when I was sleeping

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<v Speaker 2>I think and then she just said I love you.

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<v Speaker 2>I like what, what did you say? I was like, wait.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I thought about it. So it took her one

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<v Speaker 2>month to

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<v Speaker 1>say that honestly could just sometimes be a personality difference

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<v Speaker 1>like the way that we process things for sure. Ok.

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<v Speaker 1>The next one is

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<v Speaker 1>how men fall in love have more to do with

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<v Speaker 1>physical appearance. Whereas women access more factors like personality and

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<v Speaker 1>similarities and so on.

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<v Speaker 2>Ok, I know this is going to sound like a

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<v Speaker 2>very big move, but I would say that physical appearance

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<v Speaker 2>does that matter. It does matter for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh like everyone has a type, right? Everyone has a

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<v Speaker 2>physical type like I know my physical type and I

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<v Speaker 2>look for that in a woman, but there's also another

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<v Speaker 2>thing called emotional type, like character wise. So just because

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<v Speaker 2>I meet the physical type does not mean that they

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<v Speaker 2>are my type emotionally. Yeah. And she aligned perfectly. So

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<v Speaker 2>like when I look for someone like, yeah, appearance wise

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<v Speaker 2>it matters for me. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>What about you? What do you think? Like for me,

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<v Speaker 1>attraction in the beginning is definitely super important and that's

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<v Speaker 1>very much physical, right? You see a person like, oh

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<v Speaker 1>does he give you butterflies or not? You know, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>actually I feel like sometimes people will say, oh, it's

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<v Speaker 1>about inner beauty don't be so superficial but I think

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<v Speaker 1>and this is not to sound like an ass or anything,

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<v Speaker 1>but you do still need to be attracted to each other, right?

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<v Speaker 1>Like physical appearance is subjective, but all that matters is

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<v Speaker 1>that you guys are into it,

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<v Speaker 1>right? Yeah. And I'm not saying that it has to

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<v Speaker 1>be like a like perfect and someone who is super

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<v Speaker 1>super is my type, you know, immediately, but they have

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<v Speaker 1>to be some at least give you some form of

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<v Speaker 1>attraction makes you feel you feel like, OK, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>let's explore it. So I think the initial attraction is

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<v Speaker 1>always physical. Yeah. And then after that, you let the

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<v Speaker 1>other aspects kind of tune you out like do I

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<v Speaker 1>like this or not? Because there's no way that there's

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<v Speaker 1>no way if you are attracted to the person

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<v Speaker 1>that you can still forgive, like, you know, things are

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<v Speaker 1>not your type in terms of the personality type, right?

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<v Speaker 1>I do feel at the end of the day, like

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<v Speaker 1>I still want to get to know you as a person,

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<v Speaker 1>your character, whether we click emotionally, whether we solve problems well, together,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that, that kind of important stuff because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a serial relationship per person. Like, ok, guys, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be single or boom to your relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>Serial monogamy. I don't know why. I don't know why

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<v Speaker 1>I always set out to be single and that never happens. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think because people like us, we just like for me,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not good at being single. Yeah. No, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>afraid to admit. I do feel like sometimes I need

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<v Speaker 1>someone to experience life with. Ok. The next one is

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<v Speaker 1>men tend to express affection through more physical means, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>initiating intimacy or sex. Is that

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<v Speaker 2>true? Oh, yeah. Um

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<v Speaker 2>I definitely give, I remember the first kiss I ever

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<v Speaker 2>gave her like it was just random. She was talking,

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<v Speaker 2>I was just looking at her and just waiting for

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<v Speaker 2>the kiss. Oh OK.

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<v Speaker 1>So I remember this is so funny because it was

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<v Speaker 1>our second date. OK? And he was like, oh, my

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<v Speaker 1>brother is proposing to his girlfriend and then after that

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<v Speaker 1>we're having a small party, you know, at my place.

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<v Speaker 1>So you want to come for the after party. And

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<v Speaker 1>I said, where your parents will be at?

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<v Speaker 1>And he was like, and he was like, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>don't worry, you will not see my parents at all.

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<v Speaker 1>They are upstairs, we will be downstairs. You know, you

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<v Speaker 1>will not get to even interact with them. And I

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<v Speaker 1>went there and then not even 10 minutes in the house,

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<v Speaker 1>like my dad would like to speak to

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<v Speaker 2>you. No. OK. Wait. And then we

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<v Speaker 1>spend 1.5 hour just talking to the parents. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I did not expect to meet this girl but I

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<v Speaker 1>had some wine.

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<v Speaker 1>OK. Yeah. So at one point I felt like I

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<v Speaker 1>was floating out of my body watching myself answer questions.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, how are you doing this?

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<v Speaker 2>But she nailed it, nailed it. Oh Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he's like, OK, I need to kiss this

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<v Speaker 1>girl to lock this down.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously not

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<v Speaker 1>in my mind. I'm like trying to piece this scene

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<v Speaker 1>together and your parents are in every scene

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<v Speaker 1>like and they're like, we are still

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<v Speaker 2>here, you know, that's my boy. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>OK. The last one here, women are better at remembering

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<v Speaker 1>dates and events that mark important milestones of the relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that's true?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. 100

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<v Speaker 1>percent. I actually disagree. I am so I am so

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<v Speaker 1>bad at it. I'm good at it because you, you,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like she's so organized because you're

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<v Speaker 1>also bad. So she says, oh yeah, tomorrow is our anniversary.

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<v Speaker 1>You like you, you know, if I'm lying, right?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, even for normal dates that she plans, she

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<v Speaker 2>has to send a Google invite invite so we can

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<v Speaker 2>remember it. So like she's so organized that even anniversary

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<v Speaker 2>birthdays is all there. That's great.

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<v Speaker 1>My calendar because it's just so packed, right? If it's

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<v Speaker 1>not my calendar, it doesn't exist like the agenda doesn't exist.

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<v Speaker 1>So I have everything has to be down. If not,

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<v Speaker 2>I forget. So she reminds me everything. I can't remember

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<v Speaker 2>my own nephew's birthdays and stuff like that. So she

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<v Speaker 2>just write it all for you. She reminds me,

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<v Speaker 2>ok, this, this Saturday, we have your nephew's birthday. We

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<v Speaker 2>are going, I'm like, ok, let's go buy a gift. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So she locks everything down and I'm like, ok, let's

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<v Speaker 2>do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. Great. Very complimentary. I love

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<v Speaker 2>that. But like I said, it took a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>learning at the start because I'm not used to it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like a very free spirited person. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Ok. So then in that case between the two of you,

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<v Speaker 1>since we already know who said I love you first

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<v Speaker 1>and all that. Who is the more logical one? And

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<v Speaker 1>it's got to be her, right? More logical.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. So, in your opinion, there's nothing wrong

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<v Speaker 1>with being so logical in a relationship Oh, definitely. But

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like somehow in my experience, the logical people

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<v Speaker 1>always find the dreamers because like the dreamers, right? Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>they just dream so high up and then we pull

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<v Speaker 1>them back to the ground with execution of possibilities. But

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<v Speaker 1>for us, like for me as a logical person, sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of think too small because I'm so logical, right?

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<v Speaker 1>I want to know what is possible and I only

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<v Speaker 1>think within that box, but sometimes he inspires me with

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<v Speaker 1>like, oh, but you know, we could do something like

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<v Speaker 1>that and I'm like, ok, maybe not that but something

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<v Speaker 1>in between and then we kind of get to that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so he helps me like dream a bit bigger,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say yes, like, so you mean in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle somehow, you mean in the middle? Like he inspires

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<v Speaker 1>me and I think I help him, I ground him.

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<v Speaker 1>So it really, really helps. So then why do you

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<v Speaker 1>think people have the perception that men are perceived to

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<v Speaker 1>be less romantic? Because I feel now it sounds more

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<v Speaker 1>like a personality, character driven, individual driven? I

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<v Speaker 2>would say that actually it comes to like

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes men, we are just very lazy to plan a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of things, especially romance. I, for me personally, I

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<v Speaker 2>cringe at big romance romance moment, which is exactly like her. She,

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<v Speaker 2>there are a lot of women out there that I

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<v Speaker 2>know who like those. A lot of women, friends, family.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to put it out there, friends, family. Um

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<v Speaker 2>That's all.

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<v Speaker 1>Leave a comment now to prove that you exist. I

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<v Speaker 1>know cousins and my sisters, they

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<v Speaker 2>like those big, they like flowers. She doesn't like flowers.

0:20:28.612 --> 0:20:31.071
<v Speaker 2>She says flowers die. I'm like, ok, good point. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>not buy flowers for me. I don't have to waste money.

0:20:33.722 --> 0:20:35.791
<v Speaker 2>But there are a lot of people who like big

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<v Speaker 2>romance moments and as a guy that it stresses you out,

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<v Speaker 2>I have friends who also complain to me like my

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<v Speaker 2>wife's birthday or my girlfriend's birthday is coming. I do

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<v Speaker 2>not know what to do. They are just clueless. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what we do not know what to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Like we do not know whether this will please them

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<v Speaker 2>or they will be like, wow, why waste money or like,

0:20:50.021 --> 0:20:51.712
<v Speaker 2>you know, like the whole episode

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<v Speaker 1>on its own, you document all his questions. So we

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<v Speaker 2>really, we really don't

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<v Speaker 2>know like how, how this stuff works. And then our

0:20:58.848 --> 0:21:01.588
<v Speaker 2>best friend is Google obviously like, ok, what do we do?

0:21:01.598 --> 0:21:04.009
<v Speaker 2>And then Google is like, oh, like it's the generic

0:21:04.019 --> 0:21:07.588
<v Speaker 2>stuff that we really did before. Like staycation or fancy dinner.

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<v Speaker 1>You try chat G BT yet or not yet. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not the idea. You know, it's never all men or

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<v Speaker 1>all

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, like it's true that from my experience, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe seeing friends around me, men maybe do seem

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<v Speaker 1>like less maybe detail oriented. Yeah, when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>a relationship, you know, with romance, you kind of need details, right?

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<v Speaker 1>You kind of need to be about the details, you

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<v Speaker 1>need to plan, you need to do this, you need

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of take note of, oh she said this,

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<v Speaker 1>what does this mean? Blah, blah, blah, women are a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more like maybe intuitive with that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of a gender thing. Of course, this is

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<v Speaker 1>like total stereotype. Yeah. Sometimes there are women who are like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you are not white like that or men

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<v Speaker 1>who are not, not super romance. I, I agree and

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<v Speaker 1>I also feel like I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>if it's because of media portrayal of, you know, all

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<v Speaker 1>these rom coms or you know, this, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>chase and then how they locked down the girl and

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<v Speaker 1>you watch so much of that growing up and as

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<v Speaker 1>a teenager, you're like reading all this kind of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>and watching to the point where you also craft or

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<v Speaker 1>shape a certain idea of how the courtship should be. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think that is a big, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>big

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<v Speaker 2>controversy? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that a how is it in Lord of

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<v Speaker 2>the Rings?

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<v Speaker 2>No, but I would say like the way they portray

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<v Speaker 2>anime romance and like, like Korean drama and all this

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<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff. It does factor in a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 2>I think maybe I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not even get started on Korean dramas. All of

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<v Speaker 1>my friends, like, oh, it's this or no one else, like, ok,

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<v Speaker 1>keep on dreaming girl drama. No, I don't, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>actually like

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<v Speaker 2>this moment where, like, the guy chases the girl and

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<v Speaker 2>then the girl fights

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<v Speaker 2>the guy and then they don't talk but then after

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<v Speaker 2>they start to, he just,

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<v Speaker 1>like, this is like, 20 seconds just, yeah. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I had to watch it at 1.5 speed. Like some,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there was some dramas that, ok, I watched

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<v Speaker 1>just because of the high point for too

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<v Speaker 2>long, but I would say it is a factor because, um, ok,

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<v Speaker 2>so for, we both like shows like Brooklyn 99, the Office, um,

0:23:16.672 --> 0:23:19.512
<v Speaker 2>Modern Family, all these kind of shows. She always

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<v Speaker 2>compare me to feel from Modern Family or Gym from

0:23:22.566 --> 0:23:26.145
<v Speaker 2>in the office or like, um, or like friends, her favorite. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>they were

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<v Speaker 1>like, there are few characters I say, oh, that is

0:23:28.744 --> 0:23:32.725
<v Speaker 1>like that, like our dynamic, right? Like Chandler and Monica, like,

0:23:32.734 --> 0:23:34.375
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's very much like he's like, and I,

0:23:34.385 --> 0:23:37.505
<v Speaker 1>you know, all like Amy and Jake Per, she's also like,

0:23:37.515 --> 0:23:39.635
<v Speaker 1>you know, and so there's things like that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And, and I would say like, when I watch these shows,

0:23:42.015 --> 0:23:43.845
<v Speaker 2>I always told myself like, oh, man, I want a

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<v Speaker 2>relationship that's fun like this. Like we can tease each other,

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<v Speaker 2>we can have fun

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff and I don't know how it happened but

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<v Speaker 2>I think I manifested it, found it. Yeah. Yeah. I

0:23:51.609 --> 0:23:53.667
<v Speaker 2>think I manifested it but I really looked for it.

0:23:53.678 --> 0:23:56.359
<v Speaker 2>It really, it was a factor because I wanted something fun.

0:23:56.369 --> 0:23:58.648
<v Speaker 2>Imagine if I'm dating someone and we do not match

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<v Speaker 2>in chemistry and energy level and then I'm just going

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<v Speaker 2>to be like,

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<v Speaker 1>then, you know, that's not it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So, like I did have this goal when I was

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<v Speaker 2>finding a partner, which is why when I dated her,

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<v Speaker 2>like the moment I met her. Yeah, dude, she was

0:24:10.458 --> 0:24:13.187
<v Speaker 2>so funny. She was like, so hilarious. I never laughed

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<v Speaker 2>so much in my, on a date before. I never,

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<v Speaker 2>I really never

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<v Speaker 1>if someone thinks you're funny,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, I thought I was funny because I'm always

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<v Speaker 2>the one trying to like, I always had to engage

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<v Speaker 2>in a conversation. But with her, everything just flew like

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<v Speaker 2>it was flowing and like I was laughing non-stop and

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly you're not the funniest guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. Yes. Yes. I was, I was like, dude, I

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<v Speaker 2>think I met my match. So my friend was the

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<v Speaker 2>bartender at that time. She went to the toilet. I

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<v Speaker 2>told I really met my match and then I told

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<v Speaker 2>him watch me marry this girl on the first day.

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<v Speaker 2>And my friend still remembers

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<v Speaker 1>it. Well, this visualization technique, I teach some of our

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<v Speaker 1>friends

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<v Speaker 1>manifestation. I

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<v Speaker 2>manifested it. But I would say that um watching all

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<v Speaker 2>these shows. It did, like, play a factor, like, in

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<v Speaker 2>a partner that I was

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<v Speaker 1>aspirational because you look at it and you like, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my gosh, I really can relate. I would love that. Correct.

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<v Speaker 2>In a real sense. I'm not talking about the dreamy

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<v Speaker 2>sense about K drama and stuff like that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's your go to a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people watch K dramas and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these romantic shows. I mean, ok, I admit I was

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<v Speaker 1>hooked on and

0:25:11.859 --> 0:25:17.280
<v Speaker 1>the actor that played King Charles. 00 my God. OK.

0:25:17.290 --> 0:25:19.560
<v Speaker 1>That's your time. That season two? My season one. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, girl, this is the kind of show

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot watch with my partner or anyone I have

0:25:23.910 --> 0:25:25.910
<v Speaker 1>to watch alone. It's like my me time.

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<v Speaker 1>So my relationship with the Duke just don't bother me for,

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<v Speaker 2>would you say that when you were finding a partner,

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<v Speaker 2>you found you were like, finding someone similar to this

0:25:34.660 --> 0:25:35.109
<v Speaker 2>character

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<v Speaker 1>came after I met him? So like, yeah, too late. No, OK.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very much more logical and practical. So I,

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't say I'm much of a dreamer when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to these things. Maybe when it comes to my life,

0:25:49.484 --> 0:25:51.004
<v Speaker 1>I'm just a go with the flow person. But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't necessarily think that I, so what do you find romantic?

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<v Speaker 1>I would definitely say acts of service. So when both

0:25:58.155 --> 0:26:00.734
<v Speaker 1>of us started going out, my current partner,

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<v Speaker 1>he also he and I were on the same page

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<v Speaker 1>for certain things, but a little different on others and

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<v Speaker 1>he's so practical to the point where every year and

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<v Speaker 1>because our birthdays are one day apart. I know. So,

0:26:13.770 --> 0:26:17.319
<v Speaker 1>it's impossible to forget once again. Yeah. And it's right

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<v Speaker 1>after Christmas. So it's just like back to back. I

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<v Speaker 1>know it's too much,

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<v Speaker 1>too much. But the way that he shows that he's romantic,

0:26:25.604 --> 0:26:28.655
<v Speaker 1>he's like, oh, I have a list of items that

0:26:28.665 --> 0:26:31.055
<v Speaker 1>I would like for my birthday. You can just pick

0:26:31.064 --> 0:26:32.964
<v Speaker 1>from this list and he's like, why don't you give

0:26:32.974 --> 0:26:34.895
<v Speaker 1>me a list or, or show me your list? But

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<v Speaker 1>to me, I was like, that's so unromantic like then

0:26:37.584 --> 0:26:38.935
<v Speaker 1>he said, but I want to get you something that

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<v Speaker 1>you want. Like

0:26:40.109 --> 0:26:43.229
<v Speaker 1>I'm OK. But how about this year? You try something different?

0:26:43.349 --> 0:26:46.010
<v Speaker 1>You think about what I want and I can see

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<v Speaker 1>him stress. He's like, oh my God, oh my God.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Ok,

0:26:49.189 --> 0:26:51.900
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna, I'm gonna back him up here. OK? Tell me,

0:26:51.910 --> 0:26:53.760
<v Speaker 2>tell me like I wanted, I wanted to mention this

0:26:53.770 --> 0:26:56.229
<v Speaker 2>earlier like we can't read mine. So I would rather

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<v Speaker 2>you tell me what you want

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<v Speaker 2>like, OK, even even I'm going like even for the

0:27:01.479 --> 0:27:03.290
<v Speaker 2>engagement ring. OK, tell me how that

0:27:04.329 --> 0:27:05.800
<v Speaker 1>I want to say this is a separate thing because

0:27:05.810 --> 0:27:07.979
<v Speaker 1>you know, like literally the my Pinterest has been like

0:27:07.989 --> 0:27:11.780
<v Speaker 1>talking about my engagement ring. Even since before I even started,

0:27:11.949 --> 0:27:14.400
<v Speaker 1>I knew it. I already know exactly what I want.

0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:17.089
<v Speaker 1>But when it comes to actually presents,

0:27:17.489 --> 0:27:18.938
<v Speaker 2>I'm, she does not like

0:27:19.015 --> 0:27:20.034
<v Speaker 2>presence. I'm

0:27:20.045 --> 0:27:22.774
<v Speaker 1>a bit like, like your partner. Like I want to

0:27:22.785 --> 0:27:26.064
<v Speaker 1>be given exactly what I want. Yeah. If not, then

0:27:26.074 --> 0:27:29.073
<v Speaker 1>give me an experience. That is interesting. Ok. Yeah. If

0:27:29.084 --> 0:27:31.545
<v Speaker 1>it's gifts I rather, because I always feel so bad

0:27:31.555 --> 0:27:33.935
<v Speaker 1>when I receive things that I cannot use or don't like.

0:27:33.944 --> 0:27:36.135
<v Speaker 1>But when it's experiences, you will always get to experience

0:27:36.145 --> 0:27:38.954
<v Speaker 1>it no matter. Ok. But my idea is, yeah. Ok.

0:27:38.964 --> 0:27:40.145
<v Speaker 1>We love experiences too,

0:27:40.500 --> 0:27:42.430
<v Speaker 1>but of course, we still want to exchange a gift during,

0:27:42.439 --> 0:27:44.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, birthday, right? So my idea is we've already

0:27:44.729 --> 0:27:46.310
<v Speaker 1>known each other for so long. You should kind of

0:27:46.319 --> 0:27:52.439
<v Speaker 1>know like what I, like I said something, something I

0:27:52.449 --> 0:27:55.459
<v Speaker 1>never do that. But it's just like knowing each other

0:27:55.469 --> 0:27:57.698
<v Speaker 1>for so long. I'm sure they might be right. Yeah, exactly.

0:27:59.300 --> 0:27:59.448
<v Speaker 1>But

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<v Speaker 2>there's only so much that you can surprise someone until

0:28:02.609 --> 0:28:05.629
<v Speaker 2>it runs the idea runs dry. Ok. Yeah, like, ok, say,

0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:08.389
<v Speaker 2>for example, you like jewelry. Ok. And your, your boyfriend

0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:09.688
<v Speaker 2>buys you a necklace and then

0:28:09.770 --> 0:28:11.869
<v Speaker 2>next day he buys you a bracelet and the next

0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:14.719
<v Speaker 2>day he buys you a ring and it's boring. Buys

0:28:14.729 --> 0:28:16.280
<v Speaker 2>you a watch and then sooner or later he's going

0:28:16.290 --> 0:28:18.560
<v Speaker 2>to run out of body parts to cover you. With jewelry, right?

0:28:18.699 --> 0:28:21.209
<v Speaker 2>So it just runs dry in terms of like this

0:28:21.219 --> 0:28:22.859
<v Speaker 2>kind of things. So I would rather you tell me, ok,

0:28:22.869 --> 0:28:25.380
<v Speaker 2>what do you want? Like you want a Dyson hair dryer?

0:28:25.390 --> 0:28:26.680
<v Speaker 2>You want you? What? I don't know

0:28:27.380 --> 0:28:29.739
<v Speaker 1>if I got a hair dryer for my birthday. No,

0:28:29.750 --> 0:28:32.819
<v Speaker 1>but I, I remember I had an exboyfriend and he,

0:28:32.829 --> 0:28:35.150
<v Speaker 1>he wanted to surprise me with a gift. Ok. So

0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:36.880
<v Speaker 1>he didn't want to ask me what I want. He said, II,

0:28:36.890 --> 0:28:38.939
<v Speaker 1>I bought something for you a surprise. Ok.

0:28:39.270 --> 0:28:41.390
<v Speaker 1>And then I remember he set up and his contact was,

0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:45.040
<v Speaker 1>he said I saw that you don't have this and

0:28:45.050 --> 0:28:47.670
<v Speaker 1>you never wear it. And that's why I've gotten it

0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:49.630
<v Speaker 1>for you in my head. Don't have this. I don't

0:28:49.640 --> 0:28:52.359
<v Speaker 1>have this and I don't because I don't like it.

0:28:53.369 --> 0:28:55.380
<v Speaker 1>What was it? Hold on, what was it? I need

0:28:55.390 --> 0:28:58.380
<v Speaker 1>to know it was like jeans. Oh, like

0:28:58.599 --> 0:29:02.199
<v Speaker 2>what? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I

0:29:02.250 --> 0:29:04.300
<v Speaker 1>was like, like, you know, or like I have friends

0:29:04.310 --> 0:29:08.119
<v Speaker 1>who like the engagement ring was a surprise. So the,

0:29:08.130 --> 0:29:09.020
<v Speaker 1>the guy was like,

0:29:09.260 --> 0:29:13.180
<v Speaker 1>you always wear gold jewelry. So I thought we will

0:29:13.189 --> 0:29:14.709
<v Speaker 1>switch it up with silver.

0:29:15.650 --> 0:29:20.040
<v Speaker 1>Like where, why, how, why, you know, it's like, you know,

0:29:20.050 --> 0:29:22.300
<v Speaker 1>they are like, it's like some of that because when they,

0:29:22.310 --> 0:29:24.349
<v Speaker 1>if they think by themselves, right, they might come to

0:29:24.359 --> 0:29:27.920
<v Speaker 1>a totally wrong conclusion. I better tell them, you know,

0:29:28.050 --> 0:29:29.969
<v Speaker 1>and you know, when, if you are a gold girl, right? Yeah,

0:29:29.979 --> 0:29:32.359
<v Speaker 1>everything is gold. If you are a girl, everything has

0:29:32.380 --> 0:29:36.709
<v Speaker 1>to be, you know, you like it like a mix, mix, everything.

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<v Speaker 2>It should be easy to buy you something. Right? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Ok. But this should be a whole episode on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Own how to engage

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<v Speaker 2>and it's so hard. You can't. Ok. So like men

0:29:46.437 --> 0:29:49.026
<v Speaker 2>can't read mine again. Ladies man can't read, we can

0:29:49.036 --> 0:29:50.857
<v Speaker 2>read mine or what. No, but at least we tell

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<v Speaker 2>you what you want. I don't

0:29:52.266 --> 0:29:54.636
<v Speaker 1>disagree with him. I mean, my partner does tell me

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what. But I also try to think out of

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<v Speaker 1>the box a bit. Like I try to be observant,

0:29:59.146 --> 0:30:02.246
<v Speaker 1>you know, and I realized like certain things that he

0:30:02.256 --> 0:30:04.156
<v Speaker 1>might have said that he needed, but he didn't put

0:30:04.166 --> 0:30:07.317
<v Speaker 1>it in his list. Maybe he didn't realize or like whatever.

0:30:07.327 --> 0:30:11.237
<v Speaker 1>Then I'll just try and be more in tune with that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So at least there's still

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<v Speaker 1>surprise element. I don't know. Like life needs to be

0:30:15.073 --> 0:30:21.884
<v Speaker 1>interesting because I suddenly remember this romantic thing. I felt

0:30:21.894 --> 0:30:24.163
<v Speaker 1>like he did for me, which was that, uh, like,

0:30:24.173 --> 0:30:25.933
<v Speaker 1>I think it was a, it was like a random

0:30:25.943 --> 0:30:27.703
<v Speaker 1>day and he was like, what are you doing tonight?

0:30:27.713 --> 0:30:29.293
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, oh, I'm not doing anything and

0:30:29.303 --> 0:30:31.994
<v Speaker 1>he was like, um, how about you dress up and

0:30:32.004 --> 0:30:35.354
<v Speaker 1>bring you somewhere secret? Turns out he was like, bring

0:30:35.364 --> 0:30:37.543
<v Speaker 1>me to this party like that. Was it like a

0:30:37.553 --> 0:30:39.644
<v Speaker 1>Taylor Swift party? Oh, so I was like, you know,

0:30:39.654 --> 0:30:40.953
<v Speaker 1>I love this. So it's like

0:30:41.020 --> 0:30:42.770
<v Speaker 1>this kind of things, you know, you apply to gifts

0:30:42.781 --> 0:30:44.941
<v Speaker 1>also like you saw like, oh you have this bag

0:30:44.951 --> 0:30:47.151
<v Speaker 1>and it's like falling apart and it's like looking like trash,

0:30:47.461 --> 0:30:50.020
<v Speaker 1>you know, let me go get him something. Yeah, I didn't,

0:30:50.031 --> 0:30:51.811
<v Speaker 1>I forgot that I probably need this or whatever. So

0:30:51.821 --> 0:30:55.051
<v Speaker 1>that is that romantic surprise gift? Yeah, for sure. So

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<v Speaker 1>all in all I think the key is just to

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<v Speaker 1>be a bit more.

0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:01.911
<v Speaker 2>I think guys just like it direct. Like when I

0:31:01.921 --> 0:31:03.671
<v Speaker 2>bought her this ring, then she, she told me, ok,

0:31:03.681 --> 0:31:06.281
<v Speaker 2>what do you want for your engagement present? I'm like,

0:31:06.590 --> 0:31:09.311
<v Speaker 2>get me api so she got me a py.

0:31:09.729 --> 0:31:12.020
<v Speaker 1>No, I was like, so, you know, do you want engagement?

0:31:12.030 --> 0:31:14.790
<v Speaker 1>He's like this is the carousel link of the PS

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<v Speaker 1>five that we can get tonight if you are done.

0:31:18.750 --> 0:31:21.630
<v Speaker 1>You did the research. I was let go. I mean,

0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:24.209
<v Speaker 1>he uses it every day, I'm guessing. So, I mean,

0:31:28.410 --> 0:31:30.030
<v Speaker 2>because I won't have the time anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So to summarize, I mean, we talked so much today.

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<v Speaker 1>I really enjoyed our conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>How important do you think is romance in a relationship?

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like romance come so intuitively and easy in

0:31:46.750 --> 0:31:49.819
<v Speaker 1>the beginning of a relationship. And now I think that like,

0:31:49.829 --> 0:31:52.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, it, it, it probably with the busy schedule

0:31:52.569 --> 0:31:54.630
<v Speaker 1>and the comfort level that comes in the relationship and

0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:56.530
<v Speaker 1>how often you guys spend together right now. We are

0:31:56.540 --> 0:31:59.670
<v Speaker 1>like staying together and everything. It takes much more like

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<v Speaker 1>maybe excitement and in, you know, like kind of intention

0:32:04.140 --> 0:32:05.760
<v Speaker 1>to bring romance into

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<v Speaker 1>the relationship. It's not, you kind of very easily fall.

0:32:08.989 --> 0:32:11.119
<v Speaker 1>So you're saying that it has to be like a

0:32:11.130 --> 0:32:16.170
<v Speaker 1>conscious effort and decision, like you sometimes lose the spy or,

0:32:16.410 --> 0:32:19.130
<v Speaker 1>you know, people always say honeymoon period, but I think

0:32:19.410 --> 0:32:22.280
<v Speaker 1>you need to kind of keep the honeymoon period going.

0:32:22.630 --> 0:32:26.189
<v Speaker 1>Um You have, you have to intentionally do it. That's

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<v Speaker 1>why I remember when I was writing our marriage, one

0:32:28.819 --> 0:32:30.609
<v Speaker 1>of our v is that I will not only fall

0:32:30.619 --> 0:32:32.099
<v Speaker 1>in love but I will work in love,

0:32:32.270 --> 0:32:34.630
<v Speaker 1>which for me is very important, which is like you,

0:32:34.640 --> 0:32:38.859
<v Speaker 1>you have to work to intentionally actually love someone, everyone

0:32:38.869 --> 0:32:42.040
<v Speaker 1>take notes, write that down. So, you know, it, it's

0:32:42.050 --> 0:32:44.900
<v Speaker 1>very important for me to, to keep, especially, you know,

0:32:44.910 --> 0:32:47.140
<v Speaker 1>they always say that after a baby comes out like, right,

0:32:47.150 --> 0:32:50.319
<v Speaker 1>you suddenly become like project mates team and then you

0:32:50.329 --> 0:32:52.810
<v Speaker 1>may go on autopilot for, for a while because you

0:32:52.819 --> 0:32:54.859
<v Speaker 1>are just so crazy. You know, so if there's no

0:32:54.869 --> 0:32:57.369
<v Speaker 1>intention of your head, like a to do list that

0:32:57.380 --> 0:32:58.439
<v Speaker 1>I have to be,

0:32:58.709 --> 0:33:00.939
<v Speaker 1>I have to love this person. I have to be

0:33:00.949 --> 0:33:03.030
<v Speaker 1>romantic this way and you forget about it, you know,

0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:04.810
<v Speaker 1>or you kind of take it for granted. Yeah. So

0:33:04.819 --> 0:33:07.310
<v Speaker 1>I think that is really like the, the, that's the

0:33:07.319 --> 0:33:09.959
<v Speaker 1>important part for me to keep being not even for,

0:33:09.969 --> 0:33:12.859
<v Speaker 1>just for men, like for women. I also forget. So,

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<v Speaker 1>what are some of your tips then?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like what she said, I think love is driven.

0:33:16.890 --> 0:33:19.069
<v Speaker 2>You cannot be stagnant. Yeah, you got to keep working

0:33:19.079 --> 0:33:20.589
<v Speaker 2>because like, I know like a lot of people who

0:33:20.599 --> 0:33:22.459
<v Speaker 2>break up and they say like, they, they, they don't

0:33:22.469 --> 0:33:25.599
<v Speaker 2>feel the love anymore. They feel stagnant. It's not going anywhere.

0:33:25.699 --> 0:33:26.420
<v Speaker 2>I don't think

0:33:26.535 --> 0:33:28.214
<v Speaker 2>she fell out of love. Maybe you're just not working

0:33:28.224 --> 0:33:30.265
<v Speaker 2>towards it anymore. Which is why I said that she

0:33:30.275 --> 0:33:32.785
<v Speaker 2>always made it a point from the start that we

0:33:32.795 --> 0:33:34.785
<v Speaker 2>have to have date night at least once a week.

0:33:34.795 --> 0:33:37.795
<v Speaker 2>So it's driving the, the love even for us. It's

0:33:37.805 --> 0:33:41.814
<v Speaker 2>also like finding things that, uh, uh, that we have

0:33:41.824 --> 0:33:45.185
<v Speaker 2>in comparison, like stuff like making content together. Like, you

0:33:45.194 --> 0:33:48.944
<v Speaker 2>don't even have to go out to have a romantic date. Yeah,

0:33:48.954 --> 0:33:51.665
<v Speaker 2>you can have like a couple of activity at home

0:33:51.675 --> 0:33:53.494
<v Speaker 2>in the comfort. Just find something that both of you

0:33:53.505 --> 0:33:55.925
<v Speaker 2>all can do and like, you know, just work towards it.

0:33:56.180 --> 0:33:57.310
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So

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<v Speaker 1>what I think he's trying to say is that keeping

0:33:59.170 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 1>romance alive doesn't have to be high maintenance. It can

0:34:01.689 --> 0:34:04.349
<v Speaker 1>be like everyday low maintenance stuff.

0:34:04.359 --> 0:34:08.179
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Like buying coffee or like making cup noodles. That's

0:34:08.189 --> 0:34:10.840
<v Speaker 2>what romance would grow into. It's not something big that

0:34:10.850 --> 0:34:13.409
<v Speaker 2>we have to do all the time because you become,

0:34:13.419 --> 0:34:15.089
<v Speaker 1>you become like desensitized or

0:34:15.100 --> 0:34:17.439
<v Speaker 2>if it happens that way, then I feel like this

0:34:17.449 --> 0:34:19.060
<v Speaker 2>love that I have is a job that I need

0:34:19.070 --> 0:34:19.929
<v Speaker 2>to keep pleasing my part.

0:34:20.760 --> 0:34:23.729
<v Speaker 2>Right. Then it grows something into something very tiresome. That's

0:34:23.739 --> 0:34:25.500
<v Speaker 2>what I was very afraid of because I don't like

0:34:25.510 --> 0:34:27.310
<v Speaker 2>one sided love. It has to be both ways where

0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:31.360
<v Speaker 2>you can actually click in a small uncomfortable environment, right?

0:34:31.370 --> 0:34:32.040
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't say I love

0:34:32.050 --> 0:34:33.979
<v Speaker 1>it. I love it whenever he's like you want to

0:34:33.989 --> 0:34:35.169
<v Speaker 1>go get coffee. I'm like

0:34:35.659 --> 0:34:41.319
<v Speaker 2>her love language. She's like, yeah, so romance is like

0:34:41.330 --> 0:34:43.770
<v Speaker 2>those moments where at the start, yeah, we work hard,

0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:47.030
<v Speaker 2>the honeymoon period. But to keep it going, you can't

0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:49.310
<v Speaker 2>keep doing big things. You have to find romance in

0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:49.929
<v Speaker 2>the small things.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a marathon, not a race.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys thank you so much for an insightful episode

0:34:56.739 --> 0:34:59.770
<v Speaker 1>and for sharing your love with our audience. It's very

0:34:59.780 --> 0:35:01.850
<v Speaker 1>inspiring also to hear from a young couple like yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>So please take care of yourself and come back and

0:35:03.830 --> 0:35:07.750
<v Speaker 1>visit us when you pop girl. Thank you so much

0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:10.020
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0:35:10.030 --> 0:35:12.280
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0:35:18.669 --> 0:35:19.509
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