WEBVTT - S2 Episode 9: Mark Richmond

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<v Speaker 1>the mutton sandwich podcast. Alright, welcome to the mutton sandwich podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>This is where we use it as an excuse martin

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<v Speaker 1>to catch up with our famous friends. That's right. And

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<v Speaker 1>we have quite a few we've made over the years

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<v Speaker 1>that we've been on radio and there's one friend that,

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<v Speaker 1>that we're going to chat with today, that that

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<v Speaker 1>kinda, you know, I'd like to give credit to the

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<v Speaker 1>men responsible for putting the two of us together. Today

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<v Speaker 1>is one is special because if not for him, there

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<v Speaker 1>would be no mountains in the morning. Exactly. But we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get to that story in just a while. Mark Richmond,

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<v Speaker 1>How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Hello? Hey

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<v Speaker 1>man, you haven't seen it for a long time. Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a while. It's been a while. How's the

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<v Speaker 1>how's the family first of all,

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<v Speaker 2>family is good. All of them um negative in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of covid, positive attitude. That's very good. I don't like

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<v Speaker 2>this covid stuff and all that kind of, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because I mean, I'm Eurasian already a minority and now

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<v Speaker 2>I'm one of the few who don't have covid as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm also minority. I think this minority report going on,

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<v Speaker 2>which I

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<v Speaker 1>don't like. Welcome to the club. Actually, all three of

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<v Speaker 1>us so far so far, I haven't I haven't had

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<v Speaker 1>a choice. Choice, choice, choice, choice. Sorry. Speaking of family?

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<v Speaker 1>Just digress before we we we talk to you about you,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, did I see on facebook that your son

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<v Speaker 1>is now a pro golfer?

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<v Speaker 2>No, he's not a pro golfer. If he's a pro

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<v Speaker 2>golfer or whatever retired. really.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh

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<v Speaker 2>No, no he's not, I mean he is uh an

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<v Speaker 2>enthusiastic golfer, I think that I call him a high

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<v Speaker 2>performance golfer, so he's probably, I think by the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the year he might be pursuing golf at a

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<v Speaker 2>higher level, but to call him a pro golfer at

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<v Speaker 2>15 years old, I know he's not there, he's not

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<v Speaker 2>even close to that yet, but he does work very hard,

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<v Speaker 1>he dreams of

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<v Speaker 2>becoming a pro pro golfer, but I think vernon will

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<v Speaker 2>know that vernon and I also used to have dreams

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<v Speaker 2>together and all that and here we are.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. Right. Yeah, sometimes dreams don't come true, but

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<v Speaker 1>but but you know at least at least the little

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<v Speaker 1>man taking after the dad who in case you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>know this martin Mark is a

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<v Speaker 1>very good golfer. Yeah, so there you go, following in

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<v Speaker 1>the footsteps. I'm just saying this in comparison because I

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<v Speaker 1>mean we were we were there when when Saul was

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<v Speaker 1>born and now he's so accomplished. Is he taller than you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>He's 15 years old, he's 1.86 m. Remember that time

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<v Speaker 2>we used to be able to carry him in one

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<v Speaker 2>hand and the size of your arm. Right? Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>all that, not everything, I mean a better golfer than

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<v Speaker 2>me and you almost taller than me. So you, your

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<v Speaker 2>Ego is almost shot down. I don't even want to

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<v Speaker 2>know you know what's between the legs and

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<v Speaker 1>as well, but those are the words of a proud daddy,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Exactly. Um obviously got something right there, so yeah, fantastic. It's,

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<v Speaker 1>it's nice to see saw growing up to be a

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<v Speaker 1>better man, so a better man than yeah, I was

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<v Speaker 1>about to be a better man than all of us,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, you've been out of the industry for, for

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<v Speaker 1>quite a while now, I mean, you know everybody, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you mentioned the name Mark Richmond, you know, everybody

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<v Speaker 1>immediately thinks, oh yeah, you know the radio DJ who's,

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<v Speaker 1>who's had a very illustrious career in radio coming from

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<v Speaker 1>a radio superstar dad as well, and, and not just

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<v Speaker 1>following in the footsteps, but you know, being on par

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<v Speaker 1>with your dad as well. And then all of a

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<v Speaker 1>sudden you decided, okay, I'm done with radio and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to move on to something else. So, so for

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<v Speaker 1>the less initiated, let's let's talk about what you did

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<v Speaker 1>after the radio and where you are right now man,

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<v Speaker 2>where I am right now is I'm running away from

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<v Speaker 2>the law and trying to find

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<v Speaker 1>I, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm hiding in a cave, but actually, I mean, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that I came to a point where I

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<v Speaker 2>just felt, you know, and I usually follow my heart

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<v Speaker 2>and I just felt that, you know, I fell out

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<v Speaker 2>of love with radio. Unfortunately, I hate to say this

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, when I first joined, I mean, in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of the, those red infusion days and all that,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a device that I absolutely love that because

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<v Speaker 2>it got me in touch with people and got me

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<v Speaker 2>getting to know people a little bit better. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think that I just fell out of love with it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I didn't fall out of love with my

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<v Speaker 2>sports commentaries. That's why I'm still doing it until today.

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<v Speaker 2>So after after radio, I think that what happened was

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<v Speaker 2>that I also had, um and you guys know this,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I had a son was newly born and

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted something stable and my, so that my wife

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<v Speaker 2>could pursue her very own dreams as well of being

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<v Speaker 2>a director and an actress. So I decided to take

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<v Speaker 2>on full time jobs. I joined the youth olympic games

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<v Speaker 2>and then after that I set up my own company

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<v Speaker 2>for a while and after the company uh, which is

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<v Speaker 2>now under my wife's care, I joined the Sports Singapore,

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<v Speaker 2>the old sports council. So I've been a public servant

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<v Speaker 2>after radio until today. I, and I think that stability

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<v Speaker 2>was needed in the family to ensure. And then my

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<v Speaker 2>son of all things had to choose the product of

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<v Speaker 2>sports by saying, I want to play golf. So,

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<v Speaker 1>I

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<v Speaker 2>know exactly, I mean, it's like why can't you just

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<v Speaker 2>pick something else? Like, you know, can't you just do

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<v Speaker 2>running running is like just change your shoes like

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<v Speaker 1>Once every three months, I

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<v Speaker 2>must you choose goal where the clubs alone cost that much.

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<v Speaker 2>A country club cost that much, but he chose it

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<v Speaker 2>in the end. And then that, that's how we, we

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<v Speaker 2>ended up needing a lot more stability in our lives.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think as well that I saw the industry change,

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<v Speaker 2>I could never be the modern DJ that a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of you require this day and age as well. I

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<v Speaker 2>belong to the old school DJs where I could just

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<v Speaker 2>go on the mic and speak to people and I,

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<v Speaker 2>and I look at people like both of you, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the good jobs that you guys are doing,

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<v Speaker 2>especially the personality that you have acquired as a duo altogether.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was looking at myself and saying that, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think I was able to do that without still

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<v Speaker 2>having to do the traffic news and everything else that

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<v Speaker 2>comes along with it.

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<v Speaker 2>So, um,

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<v Speaker 2>it was, it came to a point as well of

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<v Speaker 2>self realization that, okay, I might have passed this boat

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<v Speaker 2>already and this boat has shifted to a different direction altogether.

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<v Speaker 2>It's more personality driven device and medium these days and

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps it's something that I wasn't comfortable doing as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the reason why I left it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, I mean you don't, don't, you want to

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<v Speaker 1>come back because now every day you're to film a Tiktok.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, man, surely, surely, surely, you know how to

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<v Speaker 1>do that. Mark loves dancing and I don't know. But honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, since you brought it up, my friend, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I've known Mark since I was in secondary school, so

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<v Speaker 1>that's how far relationship dates back. But but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>over the years becoming colleagues and then working under Mark's

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<v Speaker 1>tutelage and it's been a long road. And this man,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, when we started this podcast is responsible

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<v Speaker 1>for putting the two of us together. So, so let's

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about the chronology, let's talk about the rational

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<v Speaker 1>or irrational behind behind that, putting Justin and myself as

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<v Speaker 1>much as sir stamford raffles. Since the Singapore, Mark Richmond

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<v Speaker 1>is the martins in the morning, because

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<v Speaker 1>the year was 2005. Ladies and gentlemen, where a 23

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<v Speaker 1>year old boy just joined Perfect 10, the grizzled veteran,

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<v Speaker 1>vernon a was there at the station as well. And

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<v Speaker 1>then we were doing different shifts, were doing different shows, right?

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<v Speaker 1>I was doing lunch, you were doing evenings, evenings,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Mark Richmond would take over as program director

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<v Speaker 1>of the station and make some changes, you know, shift

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<v Speaker 1>people around as happens in radio all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>And one day you set us down and said, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you and you you're doing the morning show together,

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<v Speaker 1>explain that strange psychotic decision. Why did you decide that

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<v Speaker 1>these two fellas, I don't even think we've asked you this,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so now we're on, on, on, on record,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, what made you decide to put these two

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<v Speaker 1>people 10 years age difference together

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<v Speaker 1>to do a radio show

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<v Speaker 1>drugs? I knew it, I knew too much Panadol is

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<v Speaker 1>bad for you guys, I

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<v Speaker 2>took too much Panadol and

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<v Speaker 1>what a buzz! Oh my God! Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>to be, to be honest with

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<v Speaker 2>You, when I first took over 987, and I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys are probably the

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<v Speaker 2>The best thing that I did down there, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>when I first took over 987, I was personally a

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<v Speaker 2>huge fan of

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<v Speaker 2>VErnon, I've worked with Vernon before, I just feel that

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<v Speaker 2>he's got all the tools of being a perfect international

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<v Speaker 2>radio DJ, not just Singapore Radio DJ, ah and then

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<v Speaker 2>I first heard Justin, of course, on 987, I mean, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I know he was on another station before that, but

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<v Speaker 2>I I hadn't heard him on the other station, so

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<v Speaker 2>I first heard him all night, and I just thought that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he

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<v Speaker 2>needed all the help, so, and I slipped him some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of, after pairing you guys up, I think vernon

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<v Speaker 2>was the one who needed the most Anyway, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I just felt that, you know, because I've worked with before,

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<v Speaker 2>I knew that he was a great partner to have,

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<v Speaker 2>I knew that he had very little ego and that

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<v Speaker 2>he would make things work,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, uh, and then, you know, and basically with partnerships,

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<v Speaker 2>you just got to find two people with very little

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<v Speaker 2>ego to come together and to people who really want

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<v Speaker 2>to make it work. So, you know, and that's when

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<v Speaker 2>the other management has asked me, he said that, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what you plan to do with Justin and vernon, alright?

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<v Speaker 2>And I said plan to pair them up together and

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<v Speaker 2>all of them scratch their heads, and

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<v Speaker 1>so

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<v Speaker 2>I said, no, let's let's give it some time. All right.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that the energies of these two guys are

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<v Speaker 2>totally different, but they'll meet halfway because they don't have

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<v Speaker 2>the egos, and I just sat down with you guys

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<v Speaker 2>and then it started with the show and then it

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<v Speaker 2>started with me sitting down with you and saying that

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<v Speaker 2>you guys, I think that you need a bit of a,

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a signature somewhere and all that.

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<v Speaker 2>And then of course you came in the next morning

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<v Speaker 2>and you both have bleached hair and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not what I what the hell I

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<v Speaker 2>mean? Like, you know, I think that what I really,

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<v Speaker 2>really liked about your show, whether it was the morning

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<v Speaker 2>or the evening that you went to a little bit later,

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<v Speaker 2>was just the fact that, you know, you guys had

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of, uh, had a lot of, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's like just the fact that you were

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<v Speaker 2>willing to

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<v Speaker 2>put it out there as a show that was rather

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<v Speaker 2>in the slapstick side and you know, that some people

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<v Speaker 2>are going to like it, Some people are not.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's fantastic. And that's something that was very

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<v Speaker 2>refreshing for radio because for a long while, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, especially on that radio station that we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about 987 if we just played it very, very safe

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<v Speaker 2>and it was something that wasn't safe, there was something

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<v Speaker 2>that was out there and it was either you like

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<v Speaker 2>it or you didn't like it at all, and you

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<v Speaker 2>guys were both willing to

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<v Speaker 2>be the ones who weren't liked, but I did promise

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<v Speaker 2>you as well. I said, no, stick to it, and

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<v Speaker 2>after about two or three years people get used to

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<v Speaker 2>it and who knows, you might get a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people actually, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>putting you guys together and you get a lot more

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<v Speaker 2>endorsement deals that you have now, and I certainly hope

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<v Speaker 2>that you have had over the years and it's great

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<v Speaker 2>to see the success that you've had, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that you've actually stuck to each other. That's um,

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<v Speaker 2>it was kind of worried that in my mind at

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<v Speaker 2>that time, so I just hope these two guys would

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<v Speaker 2>stick together. And of course my wife said, yeah, of

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<v Speaker 2>course they would means like, what else do they have?

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<v Speaker 2>She said? I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I I

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<v Speaker 2>think that was probably the best, the best thing that

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<v Speaker 2>I've made because I just it was really

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<v Speaker 2>of a feeling of a feeling that it was something

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<v Speaker 2>that could work and something that could be long term.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah and look how long this has been. It's like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's almost 20 years already, my goodness, you guys almost

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<v Speaker 2>20 years already.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know, like, like, like your wife be

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<v Speaker 1>interested then, you know, we have nothing else. Right? Exactly.

0:13:17.370 --> 0:13:22.150
<v Speaker 1>I think, I think I think we are now the

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<v Speaker 1>longest running

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<v Speaker 1>preparing

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in radio, you know, it's it's been that long.

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<v Speaker 1>So we just want to take this opportunity to say

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<v Speaker 1>thank you again. Yeah, exactly. Well, if we've never gotten

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<v Speaker 1>to say thank you before, I mean, you know, really

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<v Speaker 1>it sometimes we sit down and we we we think

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<v Speaker 1>about the whole journey that we've been through and all that, right?

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<v Speaker 1>And the couple of the people who are involved in

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<v Speaker 1>and

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<v Speaker 1>obviously you're the main man, man, you you actually put

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<v Speaker 1>this crazy show together and

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<v Speaker 1>look where it's taken us right now and valentine's day coming.

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<v Speaker 1>So expect some flowers in the mail and chocolates, but

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<v Speaker 1>it will be melted and half eaten because this fellow

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<v Speaker 1>likes

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<v Speaker 1>the half eaten part. I believe you've

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<v Speaker 2>never given me

0:14:05.750 --> 0:14:09.960
<v Speaker 1>anything yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I apologize for that, but no thanks, thank you again.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you again. But let's let's talk about, let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about your journey. Let's talk about radio first because you know,

0:14:20.610 --> 0:14:22.070
<v Speaker 1>you were such a big part of radio for so

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<v Speaker 1>many years again. You know, if if not for you,

0:14:24.460 --> 0:14:27.310
<v Speaker 1>there wouldn't be us. But you yourself did a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of very iconic

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<v Speaker 1>radio programs. You had many different partners and all that.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe you you you did all the Big three, right?

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<v Speaker 1>You did 987, You did class, You did gold,

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<v Speaker 2>right? Yeah, I did all the

0:14:37.940 --> 0:14:40.710
<v Speaker 1>Big You did all the Big Three, which which was

0:14:40.710 --> 0:14:42.620
<v Speaker 1>your favorite part of it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I if you think about it, I probably did

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<v Speaker 2>the Big five, if you ask me because it was

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<v Speaker 2>there was also ready fusion and I started at the

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<v Speaker 2>old radio one as well. That's how,

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<v Speaker 1>you

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<v Speaker 2>know, that used to be a canteen there beside the

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<v Speaker 2>radio station and you know, it started out. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>um I would say that if you ask me, I

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<v Speaker 2>would say

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<v Speaker 2>probably 987, perfect 10. Because you know, the energy of

0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:13.520
<v Speaker 2>the team then was just absolutely brilliant. We had a

0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:15.940
<v Speaker 2>really good boss Florence again and then, you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>had no lights of like

0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:23.270
<v Speaker 2>Bernard Glenn joined us later but hubert tang and gang,

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<v Speaker 2>but I mean the energy of the team was just unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>We worked really hard, but we played just as hard,

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<v Speaker 2>probably played even harder. We hung out with one another.

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<v Speaker 2>We really liked each other's company. We partied with one

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<v Speaker 2>another all day long and a lot of times, I

0:15:39.130 --> 0:15:41.390
<v Speaker 2>think that we made that mistake as well when we

0:15:41.390 --> 0:15:44.380
<v Speaker 2>went into management people like Bernard and myself to try

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<v Speaker 2>to recreate that same sort of atmosphere and energy within teams,

0:15:48.100 --> 0:15:50.940
<v Speaker 2>but people change and moved along and I had a

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<v Speaker 2>conversation with Bernard as well, so we, we can't replicate

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<v Speaker 2>what we had ever again, We just were lucky that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we actually got together and liked each other

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that there was a sense of freedom,

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<v Speaker 2>not just in the way that we, you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>were off air, but even on air as well, Florence

0:16:10.190 --> 0:16:12.970
<v Speaker 2>gave us as long as we knew the boundaries and

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<v Speaker 2>we knew the lines that were drawn in playground, she

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<v Speaker 2>gave us the

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<v Speaker 2>um you know, choice and also the license to play

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<v Speaker 2>by the edges and that's why we had a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of DJs with different personalities and you know, also for her,

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<v Speaker 2>for her is like, you know, I, I used to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, be part of this and join this like

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<v Speaker 2>freestyle rapping competitions and all that, and I told her,

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<v Speaker 2>I said,

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<v Speaker 2>would you mind if I throw down a few bars

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<v Speaker 2>and she's like, yeah, sure go ahead, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>probably in her mind, she said later on, she was

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<v Speaker 2>thinking of like different kind of bars and all that

0:16:43.940 --> 0:16:46.340
<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff, I thought that was for her or

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<v Speaker 2>something

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<v Speaker 1>like that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>sorry man, it's just wrapping

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<v Speaker 1>right?

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<v Speaker 2>I could rap about the traffic and the weather and

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<v Speaker 2>all that kind of stuff and it was fine as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that we were allowed to, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, even though it's like personality driven, we were

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<v Speaker 2>also reminded to do the normal thing every day, which

0:17:05.750 --> 0:17:09.369
<v Speaker 2>is to give them the news, the weather. And I

0:17:09.380 --> 0:17:10.810
<v Speaker 2>think at the end of it, a bit of it

0:17:10.810 --> 0:17:13.449
<v Speaker 2>all is that we always realized at the end of

0:17:13.450 --> 0:17:15.670
<v Speaker 2>the day that we worked for

0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:18.810
<v Speaker 2>the listeners, we never worked for ourselves. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>that that was still based on my beliefs in radio,

0:17:22.490 --> 0:17:24.850
<v Speaker 2>which I liked very much I had fun doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that my time at 987 was probably

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<v Speaker 2>the best um if you asked me who my best

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<v Speaker 2>partner was on radio, I would say your current partner

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<v Speaker 2>Justin because vernon and I mean, we had a lot of,

0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:39.250
<v Speaker 2>we had a very, but so we had a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of fun. I mean, we the same thing, we broke

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<v Speaker 2>all the rules, it's like, you know, when we first

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<v Speaker 2>sat down together and we said, let's let's just go

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<v Speaker 2>on and and fight.

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<v Speaker 1>I

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<v Speaker 2>think vernon knows that, you know, and so it became

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<v Speaker 2>so stupid and so silly that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and then we used to read all these listeners complaints

0:17:59.750 --> 0:18:02.220
<v Speaker 2>and said that, you know, okay. And you guys stop

0:18:02.220 --> 0:18:05.359
<v Speaker 2>fighting and it's like no end up like I'm telling,

0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:07.120
<v Speaker 2>turning around the burden and saying, see that it's your

0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:08.120
<v Speaker 2>fault and your

0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:11.720
<v Speaker 1>fault. It

0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:14.149
<v Speaker 2>was that sort of thing. And, and, and, and that's

0:18:14.150 --> 0:18:16.230
<v Speaker 2>how I knew as well, that burden was, was a

0:18:16.230 --> 0:18:19.050
<v Speaker 2>person that was makes a very, very good

0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:21.890
<v Speaker 2>radio DJ partner and I knew that, you know, you

0:18:21.890 --> 0:18:24.780
<v Speaker 2>guys could work. I think that he was, he was

0:18:24.780 --> 0:18:28.800
<v Speaker 2>my favorite partner because all along we could just, you know,

0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:31.330
<v Speaker 2>call out with one another and say, okay, let's do

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<v Speaker 2>this right now. And we picked it up straight away

0:18:34.130 --> 0:18:37.030
<v Speaker 2>and it was, we used our years more than we

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<v Speaker 2>used our mouths. I know that DJs were always told,

0:18:39.980 --> 0:18:41.990
<v Speaker 2>you gotta use your voice, you gotta use your mouth.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think as partners, the years are more important

0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:46.060
<v Speaker 2>than the mouth and that's what happened then.

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<v Speaker 2>Mhm.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know, you know, I remember feeling a bit

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<v Speaker 1>short changed and almost gutted actually when, when they told

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<v Speaker 1>us that, you know, you and Mark can't do the

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<v Speaker 1>show together anymore. And you know, because I've always felt that, hey, we,

0:19:00.270 --> 0:19:02.139
<v Speaker 1>we had a good thing going and you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>were really enjoying ourselves. How long was your show together?

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<v Speaker 1>Wah Mark?

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<v Speaker 2>Less than half a year?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, about half a year. And, and then all of

0:19:10.660 --> 0:19:12.760
<v Speaker 1>a sudden it was what happened, why was the whole

0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:15.890
<v Speaker 1>company change and people have different roles and yeah, you know,

0:19:15.890 --> 0:19:16.520
<v Speaker 1>they needed

0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:19.320
<v Speaker 2>something to remember, Burning was shifted to the morning

0:19:19.330 --> 0:19:21.300
<v Speaker 1>into the morning show. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah, that's right because they think someone left and he

0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:24.830
<v Speaker 2>was needed down there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah. So, so yeah, I was really gutted. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it was one of my favorite things to

0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:31.640
<v Speaker 1>do every day when I wake up, I look forward

0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:34.639
<v Speaker 1>to our show and and that really, you know, put uh,

0:19:34.650 --> 0:19:39.340
<v Speaker 1>how you say, it puts a perspective on on how

0:19:39.340 --> 0:19:42.879
<v Speaker 1>you wake up and enjoy your work when, when you

0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:45.440
<v Speaker 1>have a show like that, you know? So yeah, I was,

0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.290
<v Speaker 1>I was really sad, but oh, well, what to do right?

0:19:48.300 --> 0:19:50.679
<v Speaker 1>I gotta, I gotta tell you a story mark. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't remember if I ever told you this before um,

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<v Speaker 1>about your rapping because I was in secondary school very

0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:00.540
<v Speaker 1>like maybe secondary one. And somehow some way I got

0:20:00.550 --> 0:20:03.990
<v Speaker 1>tickets to this thing called the Perfect 10 Awards, Oh,

0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:07.399
<v Speaker 1>at the, at the indoor stadium. Remember this? And I

0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:09.960
<v Speaker 1>think that the headline act was like, Michael learns to

0:20:09.960 --> 0:20:13.200
<v Speaker 1>rock or something. They actually came down and accepted the

0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:16.220
<v Speaker 1>award and all that. And, and you know, of course we,

0:20:16.220 --> 0:20:18.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, I was a big fan of all the DJs.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew who all of you were,

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden you and Dawn, your brother went

0:20:22.970 --> 0:20:24.810
<v Speaker 1>on stage and you started doing a rap and the

0:20:24.820 --> 0:20:27.149
<v Speaker 1>and the stadium was like wow I didn't know you

0:20:27.150 --> 0:20:30.570
<v Speaker 1>could do that you know and it was a full

0:20:30.570 --> 0:20:34.649
<v Speaker 1>pack stadium just like literally you were you were onstage

0:20:34.660 --> 0:20:35.200
<v Speaker 1>conducting

0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:37.770
<v Speaker 2>a concert. Remember that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course I remember that. I mean I enjoyed

0:20:41.550 --> 0:20:44.050
<v Speaker 2>it very much and it all came about only because

0:20:44.060 --> 0:20:45.899
<v Speaker 2>I mean you guys worked with Don before and you

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<v Speaker 2>know my brother is a very talented musician. Yeah for sure.

0:20:48.900 --> 0:20:51.460
<v Speaker 2>Yeah and I mean he just came back from Australia

0:20:51.460 --> 0:20:53.429
<v Speaker 2>and he was looking for gigs here and there to

0:20:53.430 --> 0:20:55.900
<v Speaker 2>perform and put his name out. So I thought this

0:20:55.900 --> 0:20:56.760
<v Speaker 2>is a fantastic

0:20:57.040 --> 0:20:59.380
<v Speaker 2>you know occasion to do it. So I just told

0:20:59.380 --> 0:21:01.990
<v Speaker 2>the lawyers who was the program manager then I said

0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:05.060
<v Speaker 2>I was supposed to be introducing Michael learns to rock

0:21:05.060 --> 0:21:06.710
<v Speaker 2>I think or something like that and I said look

0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:11.919
<v Speaker 2>I wanna perform. You know I remember it was regulated

0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:12.709
<v Speaker 2>by Warren G or

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<v Speaker 1>something. I

0:21:14.700 --> 0:21:16.960
<v Speaker 2>remember doing that so I said I want to perform

0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:19.830
<v Speaker 2>and he's like you know I don't perform perform Michael

0:21:19.830 --> 0:21:22.110
<v Speaker 2>and I said yeah you know I mean let's do

0:21:22.109 --> 0:21:24.909
<v Speaker 2>it you know during our T. G. I. W. S

0:21:24.910 --> 0:21:26.300
<v Speaker 2>and all that. I used to go down and do

0:21:26.300 --> 0:21:28.290
<v Speaker 2>like you know boom shake the room here and there

0:21:28.310 --> 0:21:32.200
<v Speaker 2>that kind of stuff with my own lyrics. So he

0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:36.389
<v Speaker 2>said okay and then that's where we went but mainly

0:21:36.390 --> 0:21:38.580
<v Speaker 2>I chose that song because there was a singing part

0:21:38.590 --> 0:21:42.780
<v Speaker 2>which could showcase Dons amazing vocals and then it just

0:21:42.790 --> 0:21:45.960
<v Speaker 2>took off from there and I think that, you know,

0:21:45.970 --> 0:21:48.180
<v Speaker 2>he he came up to me after that Don was

0:21:48.190 --> 0:21:50.280
<v Speaker 2>because initially he was like, no, no, I'm not going

0:21:50.280 --> 0:21:51.540
<v Speaker 2>to perform, I mean, why do I want to be

0:21:51.540 --> 0:21:53.650
<v Speaker 2>your sidekick? You know, everybody is only going to remember

0:21:53.650 --> 0:21:55.859
<v Speaker 2>you and all that kind of stuff, it's just to

0:21:55.859 --> 0:21:58.720
<v Speaker 2>put your name out there after that. He said, thanks

0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:00.730
<v Speaker 2>very much for convincing me because that was one heck

0:22:00.730 --> 0:22:03.340
<v Speaker 2>of an experience because yeah, you're right, Justin was like,

0:22:03.350 --> 0:22:07.350
<v Speaker 2>you know, it was packed out and because that song

0:22:07.350 --> 0:22:10.699
<v Speaker 2>was hot, you know, everybody was just into it and

0:22:10.700 --> 0:22:11.770
<v Speaker 2>those were the days where,

0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:15.310
<v Speaker 2>you know, they just put their hands up in the

0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:18.639
<v Speaker 2>air without us asking them to or you know, throwing

0:22:18.640 --> 0:22:21.060
<v Speaker 2>their hands up and down like what you do these days.

0:22:21.109 --> 0:22:24.800
<v Speaker 2>So it was really, really fun. It was probably one

0:22:24.800 --> 0:22:27.180
<v Speaker 2>of the best experience I've ever had as well because

0:22:27.180 --> 0:22:30.200
<v Speaker 2>when the lights finally shown at the audience, we suddenly realized,

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<v Speaker 2>bloody hell, it's not sound effects

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<v Speaker 1>as well. I know it was until today, it was

0:22:36.140 --> 0:22:38.620
<v Speaker 1>one of the coolest experiences I've had at the indoor stadium.

0:22:38.619 --> 0:22:41.170
<v Speaker 1>So remember that was that was a really, really awesome thing,

0:22:41.180 --> 0:22:43.770
<v Speaker 1>we just don't do stuff like that anymore. Yeah, well

0:22:43.780 --> 0:22:46.840
<v Speaker 1>that we can't right now, but yeah, you know things

0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:49.129
<v Speaker 1>like that just don't happen anymore. I know

0:22:49.130 --> 0:22:49.960
<v Speaker 2>I know

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<v Speaker 1>well you know you know Mark your your life has

0:22:53.160 --> 0:22:56.430
<v Speaker 1>obviously you know the progressed and gone forward from from

0:22:56.430 --> 0:22:59.280
<v Speaker 1>an exciting youth in radio and then you know into

0:22:59.280 --> 0:23:02.300
<v Speaker 1>adulthood managing radio as well and then now with a

0:23:02.310 --> 0:23:06.290
<v Speaker 1>full time position with your your your current job and

0:23:06.290 --> 0:23:08.940
<v Speaker 1>all that. What what what are some of your your

0:23:08.940 --> 0:23:09.460
<v Speaker 1>your

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<v Speaker 1>how you say your your high points and low points

0:23:12.619 --> 0:23:15.690
<v Speaker 1>in this this long career of yours not just not

0:23:15.690 --> 0:23:18.040
<v Speaker 1>just radio of course tv exactly. You've done a lot

0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:22.210
<v Speaker 1>of tv as well commentary by the way. Triple Nine

0:23:22.220 --> 0:23:28.090
<v Speaker 1>reruns are on our on netflix on netflix man we're

0:23:28.090 --> 0:23:32.120
<v Speaker 1>talking to a netflix style. You can binge the whole

0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:34.060
<v Speaker 1>series of Triple nine if you want. You know.

0:23:34.340 --> 0:23:37.370
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it's cast in stone to remind my son how

0:23:37.369 --> 0:23:38.379
<v Speaker 2>embarrassing his father

0:23:38.380 --> 0:23:43.600
<v Speaker 1>was. A he came to me that dad you remember

0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:50.390
<v Speaker 1>what a meme

0:23:50.390 --> 0:23:51.280
<v Speaker 2>is in mommy

0:23:51.280 --> 0:23:54.450
<v Speaker 1>him. No no no I mean it's

0:23:54.460 --> 0:23:56.600
<v Speaker 2>not a bad thing, it's not a good thing either.

0:23:56.609 --> 0:24:02.450
<v Speaker 2>I mean like I mean like I really enjoyed my

0:24:02.450 --> 0:24:05.919
<v Speaker 2>life you know I really enjoyed I if you asked

0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:08.290
<v Speaker 2>me I wouldn't put it down as a high point

0:24:08.290 --> 0:24:12.619
<v Speaker 2>but I would say that my sportscasting career is something

0:24:12.619 --> 0:24:15.159
<v Speaker 2>that I take a lot of pride in. It's something

0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:15.350
<v Speaker 2>that

0:24:15.440 --> 0:24:20.350
<v Speaker 2>probably in Singapore. It's unprecedented. I do know the achievements

0:24:20.350 --> 0:24:21.930
<v Speaker 2>that I've had, I mean, it's like, you know, I've

0:24:21.930 --> 0:24:24.460
<v Speaker 2>been doing it since

0:24:24.840 --> 0:24:29.070
<v Speaker 2>do the math in 1987 88 you know, and if

0:24:29.070 --> 0:24:31.219
<v Speaker 2>you think about it in the number of years that

0:24:31.220 --> 0:24:34.720
<v Speaker 2>I've rolled by already, um I looked at it, it's

0:24:34.720 --> 0:24:38.690
<v Speaker 2>like I passed like 1000 over commentaries for like football

0:24:38.700 --> 0:24:40.960
<v Speaker 2>and it's all over the world, it's not just in Singapore,

0:24:40.960 --> 0:24:43.889
<v Speaker 2>it's taken me international, I've done eight olympic games, have

0:24:43.900 --> 0:24:47.680
<v Speaker 2>done numerous asian games and like, you know, you just

0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:49.540
<v Speaker 2>come to a point where sometimes you take that for

0:24:49.540 --> 0:24:52.700
<v Speaker 2>granted and even until today, you know when I'm doing

0:24:52.700 --> 0:24:55.260
<v Speaker 2>a match, you know, I do a lot of japanese

0:24:55.260 --> 0:24:57.540
<v Speaker 2>football these days, but even doing a match before the

0:24:57.540 --> 0:24:59.300
<v Speaker 2>start of the match, I still get butterflies in the

0:24:59.300 --> 0:25:01.670
<v Speaker 2>stomach because I still enjoy doing it. I still get

0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:05.430
<v Speaker 2>nervous before the start of games, you know, whether it's

0:25:05.430 --> 0:25:08.929
<v Speaker 2>a swimming event or football event, so I, I am

0:25:08.940 --> 0:25:12.450
<v Speaker 2>extremely proud of what I've done in, in terms of

0:25:12.450 --> 0:25:17.760
<v Speaker 2>sports and that ability to also spot the talent and say, well, okay,

0:25:17.770 --> 0:25:19.950
<v Speaker 2>I think this boy is going to be really, really special.

0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:22.460
<v Speaker 2>I think this guy is gonna be really good, you know,

0:25:22.470 --> 0:25:24.270
<v Speaker 2>just by watching it for the first time,

0:25:24.540 --> 0:25:27.210
<v Speaker 2>um low points, I don't, I don't think I had

0:25:27.210 --> 0:25:30.510
<v Speaker 2>a lot of low points, like what I said, I

0:25:30.520 --> 0:25:33.990
<v Speaker 2>really enjoyed the career perhaps maybe, you know, at the

0:25:33.990 --> 0:25:37.219
<v Speaker 2>start of it all because my dad didn't know that

0:25:37.230 --> 0:25:42.109
<v Speaker 2>I got into this at such a young age alright

0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:43.169
<v Speaker 2>so

0:25:43.240 --> 0:25:47.680
<v Speaker 2>It was a little bit fractious initially with my dad

0:25:47.690 --> 0:25:50.320
<v Speaker 2>and then it didn't help as well that I was

0:25:50.330 --> 0:25:54.080
<v Speaker 2>replacing him for the Olympic Games in 1992 which was

0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:56.990
<v Speaker 2>my first Olympics. So I think that also didn't help

0:25:57.000 --> 0:25:58.960
<v Speaker 2>matters much. But

0:25:59.340 --> 0:26:03.310
<v Speaker 2>I mean it's like I can understand exactly why I

0:26:03.310 --> 0:26:07.100
<v Speaker 2>mean it's like you know I can always look back

0:26:07.100 --> 0:26:09.600
<v Speaker 2>now and say being a father myself, if you ask

0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:12.680
<v Speaker 2>me do I want my son saul to be part

0:26:12.690 --> 0:26:16.170
<v Speaker 2>of an industry that is uh

0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:18.630
<v Speaker 2>you know very very I don't know how you call

0:26:18.630 --> 0:26:21.889
<v Speaker 2>it fragile, vulnerable at the same time as well. You

0:26:21.890 --> 0:26:24.500
<v Speaker 2>know you have a name now not just a father

0:26:24.500 --> 0:26:25.060
<v Speaker 2>but a grand

0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:27.440
<v Speaker 2>father. Where people are going to compare you with. My

0:26:27.440 --> 0:26:29.050
<v Speaker 2>answer would be no I want him to stay as

0:26:29.050 --> 0:26:31.909
<v Speaker 2>far away as possible from it. And I don't know

0:26:31.920 --> 0:26:35.220
<v Speaker 2>where my dad comes from because you know he didn't

0:26:35.220 --> 0:26:37.359
<v Speaker 2>want me to have that baggage over me when I

0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:39.870
<v Speaker 2>first started so he didn't want me to be part

0:26:39.869 --> 0:26:42.800
<v Speaker 2>of the industry and then when I was finally part

0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:45.250
<v Speaker 2>of it I felt the baggage I really did you

0:26:45.250 --> 0:26:47.710
<v Speaker 2>know in the early part because you're always saying that

0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:50.690
<v Speaker 2>he probably got the job because your dad's there. So

0:26:50.690 --> 0:26:53.479
<v Speaker 2>I had a lot more. I mean that's why you know,

0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:55.300
<v Speaker 2>you start throwing down wraps and all that kind of

0:26:55.300 --> 0:26:58.619
<v Speaker 2>stuff and it made me work a lot a lot harder,

0:26:58.630 --> 0:27:02.560
<v Speaker 2>which I never regretted. But at the same time it

0:27:02.570 --> 0:27:05.520
<v Speaker 2>also I I suddenly realized that I put in a

0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:07.859
<v Speaker 2>lot of work only because

0:27:07.940 --> 0:27:12.180
<v Speaker 2>of the baggage that came along with it. I never

0:27:12.180 --> 0:27:14.750
<v Speaker 2>wanted anyone to feel that way. But I think through

0:27:14.750 --> 0:27:17.270
<v Speaker 2>the years you kind of like you know, shake that

0:27:17.270 --> 0:27:20.949
<v Speaker 2>off and prove it, but the hard work never leaves you,

0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:23.540
<v Speaker 2>which probably I'm really proud of,

0:27:23.550 --> 0:27:26.100
<v Speaker 1>you know, and so you should you know, I mean

0:27:26.109 --> 0:27:30.570
<v Speaker 1>you've done so much in this industry and you know,

0:27:30.570 --> 0:27:33.960
<v Speaker 1>and you've definitely differentiating yourself from yourself from your dad. Sorry,

0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:35.510
<v Speaker 1>I just want to go back to this low point

0:27:35.510 --> 0:27:39.709
<v Speaker 1>in you should be our man is not the I

0:27:40.130 --> 0:27:44.020
<v Speaker 2>I how many of you get a chance to do

0:27:44.020 --> 0:27:45.800
<v Speaker 2>a character called, click click.

0:27:45.810 --> 0:27:51.610
<v Speaker 1>Exactly. Right. We tried but cannot I click

0:27:51.609 --> 0:27:54.659
<v Speaker 2>click because you played with your pen so much you've

0:27:54.660 --> 0:27:56.900
<v Speaker 2>became click click I mean it's like you know when

0:27:56.900 --> 0:27:59.980
<v Speaker 2>that first I remember the first time I read that script,

0:27:59.990 --> 0:28:02.129
<v Speaker 2>I read it as a comedy and then the guys

0:28:02.130 --> 0:28:02.760
<v Speaker 2>are like looking at me

0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:10.910
<v Speaker 1>what are you doing this drama? But but okay, all

0:28:10.910 --> 0:28:15.160
<v Speaker 1>this this this fun as I write, I martin, I

0:28:15.160 --> 0:28:16.770
<v Speaker 1>don't know if you know this about Mark because because

0:28:16.780 --> 0:28:21.730
<v Speaker 1>I was around when he was still a very active actor. Yes,

0:28:21.730 --> 0:28:22.270
<v Speaker 1>and

0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:27.350
<v Speaker 1>this guy takes his acting very seriously. Mark is almost

0:28:27.350 --> 0:28:32.020
<v Speaker 1>like a method actor now now delve into the madness

0:28:32.020 --> 0:28:35.140
<v Speaker 1>of that Mark, because you know, you you were doing

0:28:35.140 --> 0:28:37.200
<v Speaker 1>all sorts of roles like like for instance, Triple nine

0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:42.270
<v Speaker 1>where you are this, you know, edgy, hard nosed cop,

0:28:42.340 --> 0:28:45.160
<v Speaker 1>how how do you begin

0:28:45.540 --> 0:28:48.450
<v Speaker 1>thinking about method acting to, to play a role like that?

0:28:49.940 --> 0:28:52.120
<v Speaker 2>Uh to be honest with you, it was because I

0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:56.040
<v Speaker 2>wasn't trained as an actor and I that's why I decided,

0:28:56.050 --> 0:28:59.450
<v Speaker 2>you know, to put everything into it and become the

0:28:59.450 --> 0:29:01.250
<v Speaker 2>character because that was the only way I knew how

0:29:01.250 --> 0:29:04.570
<v Speaker 2>to and it was something that I might have regretted

0:29:04.570 --> 0:29:07.580
<v Speaker 2>doing because there's some roles that I shouldn't have put

0:29:07.590 --> 0:29:11.510
<v Speaker 2>all of myself into it, especially on stage, but because

0:29:11.510 --> 0:29:13.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm not trained, it was like the only way I

0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:16.200
<v Speaker 2>knew how to do it. Uh and that's the reason

0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:20.300
<v Speaker 2>why I chose to do it that way. Looking back now,

0:29:20.310 --> 0:29:24.580
<v Speaker 2>I wish I would have taken it differently, but then again,

0:29:24.580 --> 0:29:29.520
<v Speaker 2>it would have required some training, but I mean, you know,

0:29:29.530 --> 0:29:30.950
<v Speaker 2>I

0:29:31.040 --> 0:29:33.250
<v Speaker 2>there's some parts in some roles where I didn't take

0:29:33.250 --> 0:29:37.250
<v Speaker 2>myself too seriously and also the enjoyable ones, but I

0:29:37.250 --> 0:29:39.740
<v Speaker 2>think that when you actually have to dive right into it,

0:29:39.750 --> 0:29:42.450
<v Speaker 2>especially when you're on stage and the audience is right

0:29:42.450 --> 0:29:45.360
<v Speaker 2>in front of your face, That that can be pretty frightening. So,

0:29:45.370 --> 0:29:47.459
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's one of the reasons as well, You know,

0:29:47.460 --> 0:29:49.390
<v Speaker 2>when I had my son, I decided to stop acting

0:29:49.390 --> 0:29:52.470
<v Speaker 2>on stage because he can't come home to a different

0:29:52.470 --> 0:29:53.570
<v Speaker 2>father every night,

0:29:53.580 --> 0:29:54.960
<v Speaker 1>every Yeah,

0:29:54.970 --> 0:29:57.230
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean? Yeah, so it was going

0:29:57.230 --> 0:30:00.590
<v Speaker 2>through very dangerous grounds at that time. A lot of it,

0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:02.500
<v Speaker 2>I have to admit a lot of it just them

0:30:02.500 --> 0:30:05.610
<v Speaker 2>from a whole lot of insecurity of the fact that

0:30:05.620 --> 0:30:07.300
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I'm good enough, so I better throw

0:30:07.310 --> 0:30:08.190
<v Speaker 2>everything that I

0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:09.110
<v Speaker 1>can.

0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:12.390
<v Speaker 2>So it was just insecure because the people around me

0:30:12.390 --> 0:30:14.930
<v Speaker 2>was so bloody good that, you know, I better get

0:30:14.930 --> 0:30:17.280
<v Speaker 2>up to speed, I better not not just learn my lines,

0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:19.510
<v Speaker 2>but I better show that I can do it and

0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:23.060
<v Speaker 2>I can be on par with with these guys. So

0:30:23.060 --> 0:30:26.130
<v Speaker 2>it was insecurity that that drove me, like what I

0:30:26.130 --> 0:30:27.830
<v Speaker 2>said at the end of the day, I don't regret

0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:31.270
<v Speaker 2>hard work, but I mean, like maybe I I should

0:30:31.270 --> 0:30:33.800
<v Speaker 2>have not taken myself that seriously.

0:30:33.810 --> 0:30:37.060
<v Speaker 1>Looking back

0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:39.650
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, looking back now and look at Triple Nine and

0:30:39.650 --> 0:30:41.800
<v Speaker 2>like what you say, VR man, it's like, yeah, actually

0:30:41.810 --> 0:30:44.500
<v Speaker 2>those are the things that you really can't take seriously.

0:30:44.500 --> 0:30:47.500
<v Speaker 2>It's like, it should be like right, it should be

0:30:47.500 --> 0:30:49.850
<v Speaker 2>right unfit left armpit and that's what it should have been,

0:30:49.850 --> 0:30:50.070
<v Speaker 2>that's

0:30:50.070 --> 0:30:53.360
<v Speaker 1>all. But looking back now, I mean all this is

0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:55.530
<v Speaker 1>hindsight of course. So where you are now and everything

0:30:55.530 --> 0:30:58.240
<v Speaker 1>you've achieved right from what we've been hearing from you

0:30:58.250 --> 0:31:01.470
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to radio and or acting, is it

0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:01.960
<v Speaker 1>a

0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:04.170
<v Speaker 1>never again or never say never,

0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:05.270
<v Speaker 2>wow.

0:31:05.940 --> 0:31:09.610
<v Speaker 2>I mean in terms of radio, it's uh in terms

0:31:09.610 --> 0:31:13.150
<v Speaker 2>of acting, I'm not sure, I'm also at an age

0:31:13.150 --> 0:31:17.090
<v Speaker 2>where you know, you're always going to cast me is

0:31:17.100 --> 0:31:18.320
<v Speaker 2>perverted uncle,

0:31:18.330 --> 0:31:22.930
<v Speaker 1>which is true by the way, no need to method

0:31:22.930 --> 0:31:30.360
<v Speaker 1>act that way. We can act together, we can be

0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:42.270
<v Speaker 1>the two old men at the coffee shop. Oh

0:31:42.340 --> 0:31:45.520
<v Speaker 2>yeah, actually we should talk to my wife that you're

0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:46.400
<v Speaker 2>interested in doing,

0:31:47.740 --> 0:31:50.230
<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no, no, no, no, stop it, stop it,

0:31:50.230 --> 0:31:53.580
<v Speaker 1>stop it. The only reason I've dabbled into stage acting

0:31:53.580 --> 0:31:58.880
<v Speaker 1>is because of you, horrible, horrible man twice. No, I

0:31:58.890 --> 0:32:00.650
<v Speaker 1>didn't learn my lesson the first time I did it

0:32:00.650 --> 0:32:04.890
<v Speaker 1>the second time was like, oh my God, but but

0:32:04.900 --> 0:32:05.240
<v Speaker 1>you

0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:07.260
<v Speaker 2>talk about our boys to men and all, vernon was

0:32:07.260 --> 0:32:07.690
<v Speaker 2>in the Army

0:32:07.690 --> 0:32:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Day. Yeah, no, no, we're just reliving this with Jose

0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:14.360
<v Speaker 1>and when we had him on the show, right? And

0:32:14.360 --> 0:32:17.880
<v Speaker 1>and and you know, the funny thing is I'm not

0:32:17.880 --> 0:32:20.170
<v Speaker 1>an actor, like, like you, like you said, you know,

0:32:20.170 --> 0:32:23.140
<v Speaker 1>you never started out, never formally trained as an actor

0:32:23.140 --> 0:32:26.070
<v Speaker 1>and neither am I, the only difference is he had

0:32:26.080 --> 0:32:29.220
<v Speaker 1>interest in acting, I never did, but the only reason

0:32:29.220 --> 0:32:32.440
<v Speaker 1>I did it because this man came and emotionally blackmailed

0:32:32.440 --> 0:32:35.610
<v Speaker 1>me bro, you can do it. Come on man. I

0:32:36.270 --> 0:32:39.580
<v Speaker 1>I'm like okay, okay my my, my bro says I

0:32:39.580 --> 0:32:42.110
<v Speaker 1>can do it so okay, I'll do it. I think

0:32:42.110 --> 0:32:46.650
<v Speaker 2>it was so funny role he ever played. I mean

0:32:46.650 --> 0:32:48.480
<v Speaker 2>it was about this,

0:32:51.340 --> 0:32:55.340
<v Speaker 2>It's about a radio station. Okay, let's start my dad

0:32:55.340 --> 0:32:59.310
<v Speaker 2>and shake Heikal. Its love wave 91 96.6 or something

0:32:59.310 --> 0:33:03.290
<v Speaker 2>like that. It's about a radio station. And all Burton

0:33:03.290 --> 0:33:04.660
<v Speaker 2>had to do was to be

0:33:05.040 --> 0:33:07.910
<v Speaker 2>this guy who was an aspiring radio DJ who was

0:33:07.910 --> 0:33:10.840
<v Speaker 2>actually a producer but he couldn't be a DJ because

0:33:10.840 --> 0:33:12.520
<v Speaker 2>his voice was too high.

0:33:12.530 --> 0:33:19.710
<v Speaker 1>I actually had to sing on stage, a full blown song.

0:33:19.710 --> 0:33:21.560
<v Speaker 1>You're like, wow. Maybe one of the great,

0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:23.330
<v Speaker 1>it is one of the great regrets in my life

0:33:23.330 --> 0:33:25.550
<v Speaker 1>that I never saw this play. That one was a

0:33:25.550 --> 0:33:28.180
<v Speaker 1>community play. You know what love is in the air,

0:33:28.190 --> 0:33:29.560
<v Speaker 1>love on air or something like that. Right?

0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:34.740
<v Speaker 1>No love. I never saw it. I saw Army Days

0:33:34.740 --> 0:33:36.640
<v Speaker 1>though you didn't, I was there for army days but

0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:39.150
<v Speaker 1>I did not see this other one man. I know

0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:40.870
<v Speaker 2>he was better in love with that. He was an

0:33:40.870 --> 0:33:44.170
<v Speaker 2>Army Days. I can attest to that, you know that

0:33:44.180 --> 0:33:46.010
<v Speaker 2>my boys and all of a sudden he breaks out

0:33:46.010 --> 0:33:47.360
<v Speaker 2>into Robbie Williams

0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:48.290
<v Speaker 2>better, better

0:33:48.290 --> 0:33:51.590
<v Speaker 1>man. Yeah man, the memories are just

0:33:51.590 --> 0:33:54.760
<v Speaker 2>flooding and everybody, the whole whole crowd clapped and then

0:33:54.770 --> 0:33:58.180
<v Speaker 2>you know? And bryan and Michael went well done man.

0:33:58.200 --> 0:34:06.990
<v Speaker 1>Thanks. I mean, you know which is why what I'm saying,

0:34:06.990 --> 0:34:10.420
<v Speaker 1>you know it's talking to Mark Richmond for for for

0:34:10.420 --> 0:34:12.840
<v Speaker 1>10 minutes, 15 minutes, half an hour. He can get

0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:14.720
<v Speaker 1>you to do things you never thought you ever wanted.

0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:18.840
<v Speaker 1>That's how passionate he is about a man of a

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<v Speaker 1>man of many talents. Exactly. I mean, we can we

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<v Speaker 1>can sit here and catch up for another two hours

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<v Speaker 1>but Mark where we want to let you go. One

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<v Speaker 1>more thing to do when we do this with all

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<v Speaker 1>our guests on the modern sandwich podcast is now we

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<v Speaker 1>get to turn the tables were asking you questions for

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<v Speaker 1>half an hour. It's your turn on, on, on on record,

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<v Speaker 1>ask us a question.

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<v Speaker 1>It can be to one of us both of us

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<v Speaker 1>and we have to answer. So is there something you've

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<v Speaker 1>always wanted to ask us?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's this is very difficult because almost everything

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<v Speaker 2>has been answered. I mean, we know each other well,

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<v Speaker 1>very well, so long decades.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. For so long already. Okay. Probably because it's the

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<v Speaker 2>year of the tiger. Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe my question is this,

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<v Speaker 2>I like to hear

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<v Speaker 2>You present your case one x 1 as to why

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<v Speaker 2>you have

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<v Speaker 2>a bigger tail in between your

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<v Speaker 1>legs. What the argument is settled before the cases even presented.

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<v Speaker 1>I have three Children. He has none fight Justin, you're

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<v Speaker 1>just going down without a fight arguments

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<v Speaker 2>Alright, alright, argument. What about

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<v Speaker 1>you? You're not gonna look go down without looking I

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<v Speaker 1>mean look, I'm wagging my tail and wagging my tail.

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<v Speaker 1>The only thing I can say is and people won't

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<v Speaker 1>believe it, but really I can say is have you

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<v Speaker 1>seen the size of my feet?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know what they say about people with big feet? Right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>your feet are so big, you can't see anything else

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<v Speaker 1>wins. Congratulations. Okay, I've known you to be a fighter, Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>here's here's another argument. How many letters does your surname have? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>come on, how many how many? Three minus A N

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<v Speaker 1>T H O. And I have nine months of yours

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<v Speaker 1>is longer, no matter what? Okay, okay, okay, you see

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<v Speaker 1>that is only a question that Mark Richmond was exactly right.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a regular conversation between Mark Justin and myself. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well we'll catch up again soon. Mark over over lunch

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<v Speaker 1>or something, thank you for coming on the marten sandwich podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>We appreciate we need to catch up soon Alright, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>love to be and saul and the papa and mama

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Thanks thanks for coming on,

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<v Speaker 2>yep. And you guys as well, I mean keep doing

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<v Speaker 2>the stuff that you're doing, I think that is absolutely brilliant,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I just heard your guys at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of december last year uh the only reason why

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<v Speaker 2>I can't hear enough office, because when you work from home,

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<v Speaker 2>you're always on the computer and all that. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I remember just switching on Class 35, it's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and just took me back in time. It's like you

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<v Speaker 2>guys sound just as fresh as ever

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<v Speaker 2>on a station, which probably has so many commercials outside

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<v Speaker 2>thinking I think I could do it down there with

0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:42.750
<v Speaker 2>all these commercials going on and all that kind of stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, but you're still still able to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm glad please keep your passion alive on radio.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that radio needs people who enjoy themselves going

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<v Speaker 2>on radio and you guys probably more than any other

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<v Speaker 2>DJs enjoy going on radio, you know, with all the

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<v Speaker 2>love and further in the world. So please keep it up.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>See you soon.