1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:00,250 Speaker 1: Hi 2 00:00:01,880 --> 00:00:02,150 Speaker 2: and 3 00:00:02,150 --> 00:00:04,359 Speaker 1: welcome back to another episode of calamities. 4 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:09,570 Speaker 1: I love today's episode. I think it's gonna be saucy 5 00:00:09,580 --> 00:00:12,100 Speaker 1: and a very well known topic because we're gonna be 6 00:00:12,100 --> 00:00:15,430 Speaker 1: talking about online dating and the scams or frauds that 7 00:00:15,430 --> 00:00:16,980 Speaker 1: come along with it. Internet 8 00:00:16,980 --> 00:00:17,940 Speaker 2: love scams too 9 00:00:17,940 --> 00:00:19,930 Speaker 1: many. Too many. It's 10 00:00:19,930 --> 00:00:23,189 Speaker 2: like hello I'm a pilot, would you like to meet me? 11 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 2: I'm a Nigerian 12 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 1: prince. 13 00:00:25,940 --> 00:00:27,950 Speaker 1: Hey speaking of that, have you girls watched 14 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: the Tinder swindler? Oh my 15 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,020 Speaker 2: gosh. Of course Simon le vay. Oh no. You know 16 00:00:33,020 --> 00:00:36,330 Speaker 2: why like okay he's obviously an asshole but he's genius 17 00:00:36,330 --> 00:00:39,110 Speaker 2: in a way that he has nothing to his name. 18 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 2: He pretends to be rich. He would take money from 19 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,700 Speaker 2: one woman then spend it on another woman, take money 20 00:00:43,700 --> 00:00:45,229 Speaker 2: from her and spend it on another woman. 21 00:00:45,229 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: It's like a whole Ponzi scheme. Right? 22 00:00:48,340 --> 00:00:50,670 Speaker 1: Okay. So for people who don't know what the Tinder's 23 00:00:50,670 --> 00:00:53,860 Speaker 1: window is is actually a documentary that got released in 24 00:00:53,860 --> 00:00:57,140 Speaker 1: the earlier part of 2022 on Netflix. Talking about this 25 00:00:57,150 --> 00:00:59,710 Speaker 1: fraud named Simon revive 26 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:00,350 Speaker 2: revive, 27 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:04,459 Speaker 1: who basically cheated women of like millions of millions of 28 00:01:04,459 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: dollars and like it's different women and I 29 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,420 Speaker 1: I thought that this is so crazy. How can women 30 00:01:10,420 --> 00:01:10,660 Speaker 1: be 31 00:01:10,940 --> 00:01:15,220 Speaker 1: so ignorant right? No. You know really? Until I watched 32 00:01:15,220 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: the documentary myself and I could understand like from their 33 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,420 Speaker 1: point of view how it was so convincing to just 34 00:01:21,420 --> 00:01:25,890 Speaker 1: keep transferring cash or money to this person. He's 35 00:01:25,890 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: like oh I'm in danger. You know I need money now. 36 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,860 Speaker 1: My enemies are after me, 37 00:01:31,020 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 2: he's after me but these women, they really fell in 38 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,460 Speaker 2: love with him. They were I think blinded by the 39 00:01:36,459 --> 00:01:39,050 Speaker 2: love and they felt that they were, they were doing 40 00:01:39,050 --> 00:01:39,140 Speaker 2: it 41 00:01:39,230 --> 00:01:42,050 Speaker 1: right. And after watching the documentary, I have to say 42 00:01:42,050 --> 00:01:45,020 Speaker 1: this Simon guy, he is charismatic, we've got to give 43 00:01:45,020 --> 00:01:45,860 Speaker 1: it to him. He's very 44 00:01:45,860 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 2: charismatic. He's still on Tiktok. I actually, I think I 45 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:49,150 Speaker 2: follow him on Tiktok. 46 00:01:49,150 --> 00:01:53,390 Speaker 1: My goodness, okay, still pose. So from the point of 47 00:01:53,390 --> 00:01:56,260 Speaker 1: recording he has this account now it's called Simon dot 48 00:01:56,270 --> 00:02:00,290 Speaker 1: official one. Okay, so previously he has many instagram accounts 49 00:02:00,290 --> 00:02:03,730 Speaker 1: that has been closed down by the authorities or whoever. 50 00:02:03,740 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: So his latest post one day ago, two days ago, 51 00:02:07,770 --> 00:02:11,330 Speaker 1: the caption is literally hi my enemies with the keys 52 00:02:11,340 --> 00:02:14,660 Speaker 1: emoji and the laughing face 53 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,430 Speaker 1: and it's basically him on the 54 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,929 Speaker 2: private private who is paying 55 00:02:19,940 --> 00:02:23,570 Speaker 1: probably one poor woman and if I'm not wrong, he's 56 00:02:23,570 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: currently dating this female model looks gorgeous as heck, long legs, 57 00:02:29,090 --> 00:02:33,459 Speaker 1: Great figure. You know, I have no idea how after 58 00:02:33,470 --> 00:02:38,059 Speaker 1: the entire documentary has been posted, women still go to him. 59 00:02:38,070 --> 00:02:40,829 Speaker 2: They want to date him. I don't understand this entire 60 00:02:40,830 --> 00:02:43,250 Speaker 2: thing confuses me even when I was watching it, right, 61 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 2: I was just very confused, but I don't want to 62 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,470 Speaker 2: say anything. You know like you feel like I really 63 00:02:48,470 --> 00:02:51,330 Speaker 2: got so stupid or not. But also you feel like 64 00:02:51,340 --> 00:02:54,650 Speaker 2: cannot say because sometimes like when you're in that situation 65 00:02:54,650 --> 00:02:57,700 Speaker 2: you just don't, you really never know. And with the 66 00:02:57,700 --> 00:03:01,300 Speaker 2: internet these days like it's so easy to be defrauded. Yeah, 67 00:03:01,310 --> 00:03:05,770 Speaker 1: right. So well that's Simon revive Tinder cylinder, but have 68 00:03:05,770 --> 00:03:07,610 Speaker 1: you heard about the Singapore version? 69 00:03:07,620 --> 00:03:09,690 Speaker 2: Oh, this one just came out actually 70 00:03:09,700 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: this fellow, oh my goodness, tell us about him. 71 00:03:13,930 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 2: So basically he kind of was in the news for 72 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 2: four timing 73 00:03:19,940 --> 00:03:21,970 Speaker 2: people you've heard of like 74 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:25,030 Speaker 1: double time, 75 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,580 Speaker 2: that's two timing. This was four times, he doubled it. 76 00:03:27,590 --> 00:03:29,389 Speaker 2: He was dating four people at the same time and 77 00:03:29,389 --> 00:03:29,650 Speaker 2: they didn't 78 00:03:29,650 --> 00:03:32,630 Speaker 1: know like you would ask yourself, how did the girls 79 00:03:32,630 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: not know about it, right, or what did he do 80 00:03:35,490 --> 00:03:36,650 Speaker 2: to you know, 81 00:03:36,740 --> 00:03:40,410 Speaker 2: I don't know, schedule or the organization and Singapore is 82 00:03:40,410 --> 00:03:40,590 Speaker 2: so 83 00:03:40,590 --> 00:03:44,590 Speaker 1: small. Exactly. So I feel like if there's a guy 84 00:03:44,590 --> 00:03:47,740 Speaker 1: who is talking to you very often but he refuses 85 00:03:47,740 --> 00:03:50,010 Speaker 1: to meet you in real life, this is a huge 86 00:03:50,010 --> 00:03:50,540 Speaker 1: red flag 87 00:03:50,550 --> 00:03:52,730 Speaker 2: for sure. But for some people, their favorite color is 88 00:03:52,730 --> 00:03:55,250 Speaker 2: red then how? 89 00:03:55,260 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: That too. That too. 90 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,500 Speaker 1: So for Simon revive right? One thing he does very 91 00:03:58,500 --> 00:04:01,860 Speaker 1: well is he's always on his phone, he's always replying 92 00:04:01,860 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: to the girls that message him your 93 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,950 Speaker 2: voice. No, I love you, I 94 00:04:05,950 --> 00:04:08,060 Speaker 1: love you, I want to get married with you and 95 00:04:08,060 --> 00:04:09,890 Speaker 1: make our own baby and that kind of thing. So 96 00:04:09,890 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: the women really fell for it very reporting. 97 00:04:13,140 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: So I suppose this cailan Reicher, he is doing something 98 00:04:18,339 --> 00:04:21,779 Speaker 1: Along the same category. La basically and well he has 99 00:04:21,779 --> 00:04:24,980 Speaker 1: many names actually, so last time he was known as S. 100 00:04:24,980 --> 00:04:28,770 Speaker 1: three or Yongming and he was once accused of five 101 00:04:28,770 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: timing by one of his partners who wrote this like 102 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:37,110 Speaker 1: lengthy post about him on this blogging. Can 103 00:04:37,110 --> 00:04:41,220 Speaker 2: I tell you the craziest thing he actually was with 104 00:04:41,220 --> 00:04:43,859 Speaker 2: one partner right? And then they were fooling around in 105 00:04:43,860 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: a house that belonged to another one 106 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:51,380 Speaker 1: 01 thing that's really so next 107 00:04:51,380 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 2: level planning on it. But 108 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,470 Speaker 2: do you think it's like an addiction? Of 109 00:04:55,470 --> 00:04:59,669 Speaker 1: course for sure. I feel like for cons like this 110 00:04:59,670 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: right basically to take money from Girl A to spend 111 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,430 Speaker 1: it on goby and take money from goby to spend 112 00:05:04,430 --> 00:05:06,589 Speaker 1: it on girls See so it's an entire Ponzi scheme 113 00:05:06,589 --> 00:05:08,909 Speaker 1: and like we mentioned just now there's nothing that can 114 00:05:08,910 --> 00:05:11,850 Speaker 1: be held to Simon Levi's name because it's all of 115 00:05:11,850 --> 00:05:12,789 Speaker 1: the girls own accord 116 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,890 Speaker 2: you give to your partner, you can say like what 117 00:05:14,890 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: they love me then they give me money, I didn't 118 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:17,430 Speaker 2: steal it from them. 119 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:18,659 Speaker 1: Exactly. And 120 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: and after months of the documentary being uploaded on netflix 121 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: where I think Simon live, I've also got signed by 122 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:25,099 Speaker 1: an agency. 123 00:05:25,110 --> 00:05:26,090 Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah, that's 124 00:05:26,089 --> 00:05:27,980 Speaker 1: the craziest part. I'm not even kidding, 125 00:05:27,990 --> 00:05:29,060 Speaker 2: they think a supermodel, 126 00:05:29,070 --> 00:05:32,490 Speaker 1: I don't know what's up with the with the whole 127 00:05:32,490 --> 00:05:35,750 Speaker 1: agency and his situation now but that really did happen 128 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:37,089 Speaker 1: for a while at least 129 00:05:37,100 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 2: and this is something that is called romance fraud and 130 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: so many cases happen now because of the internet, there's 131 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 2: things like catfishing, you've heard that so many of my 132 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,029 Speaker 2: friends have been catfish on like Tinder, whatever app that 133 00:05:48,029 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 2: you use. What kind of catfish so they will chat 134 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 2: you up. So my friend was chatting up this guy, 135 00:05:54,250 --> 00:05:55,670 Speaker 2: my friends a guy, he was chatting up this guy 136 00:05:55,670 --> 00:05:56,060 Speaker 2: right 137 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,330 Speaker 2: for months and this guy would say like oh I 138 00:05:59,330 --> 00:06:01,589 Speaker 2: want you to meet my family, like you know they 139 00:06:01,589 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: want to cook for you and stuff like 140 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:04,300 Speaker 1: that. But whenever 141 00:06:04,300 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 2: my friend tried to initiate a meet up, 142 00:06:06,540 --> 00:06:09,060 Speaker 2: this guy would flick and then at some point 143 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,500 Speaker 2: he C. S. I. And found out that this is 144 00:06:12,500 --> 00:06:15,100 Speaker 2: not even a real guy. Yeah with the picture he 145 00:06:15,100 --> 00:06:18,029 Speaker 2: managed to like search like it's not even a real guy. 146 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 2: So he just cut off all contact. But probably this 147 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,940 Speaker 2: person wanted money if you think about it. But they 148 00:06:23,950 --> 00:06:26,450 Speaker 2: spend that time to build a relationship with you. 149 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,779 Speaker 2: That's why when you get sucked into it right, you 150 00:06:28,779 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: really don't expect it 151 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:30,489 Speaker 2: right 152 00:06:30,500 --> 00:06:34,710 Speaker 1: in chinese we call this. So if you spend long 153 00:06:34,710 --> 00:06:37,100 Speaker 1: enough an amount of time with this person, they will 154 00:06:37,100 --> 00:06:39,030 Speaker 1: truly believe that you are in love with him or 155 00:06:39,029 --> 00:06:41,180 Speaker 1: her and they will willingly give you that amount of 156 00:06:41,180 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: money that you're asking for. So in Singapore local authorities 157 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,029 Speaker 1: have said that this situation continues to worsen, believe it 158 00:06:48,029 --> 00:06:49,060 Speaker 1: or not. We are in such a 159 00:06:49,140 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: tech savvy society, 160 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:56,500 Speaker 1: But Internet love scams rising from 345 cases between January 161 00:06:56,510 --> 00:07:00,350 Speaker 1: and June 2020 to 568 162 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,500 Speaker 1: During the same period in 2021 163 00:07:02,500 --> 00:07:04,580 Speaker 2: I think during covid everyone they bought at home, then 164 00:07:05,710 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: maybe they need some like emotional assurance, which is why 165 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:11,660 Speaker 1: they went online to 166 00:07:11,940 --> 00:07:12,950 Speaker 1: look for love. 167 00:07:13,340 --> 00:07:15,730 Speaker 2: But I'm sure for these like scammers also right? It 168 00:07:15,730 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: becomes like they do it once you get away with 169 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 2: it and that it's like a habit jewel thing, you know, 170 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,370 Speaker 2: it's like stealing than correct, correct, correct 171 00:07:22,380 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: and they feel like from the next scam they can 172 00:07:24,450 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: actually scam a bigger amount of money. This is crazy. 173 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,610 Speaker 1: The victims who were cheated in love scams are they 174 00:07:30,610 --> 00:07:32,460 Speaker 1: lost up to 175 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,700 Speaker 1: $25.1 million. 176 00:07:34,710 --> 00:07:35,630 Speaker 2: My goodness, All 177 00:07:35,630 --> 00:07:38,980 Speaker 1: of them added up together and a single case the largest, 178 00:07:39,430 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: that was $3 million, 179 00:07:41,740 --> 00:07:44,890 Speaker 1: wow, I cannot imagine the shock that this poor man 180 00:07:44,890 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: or woman must have felt 181 00:07:46,050 --> 00:07:47,510 Speaker 2: and it's very tough to get the money back to 182 00:07:47,510 --> 00:07:50,020 Speaker 2: be honest. That's the worst part about it. It's very 183 00:07:50,020 --> 00:07:52,490 Speaker 2: funny because you listen to all the stories right? But 184 00:07:52,500 --> 00:07:55,060 Speaker 2: it really feels like what does it take 185 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,610 Speaker 2: for someone to be able to trust you so much right? 186 00:07:58,620 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: To sort of just get sucked into it that they 187 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,410 Speaker 2: can't see anything else and give you like something like that, 188 00:08:04,410 --> 00:08:06,220 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? We're not talking about like 189 00:08:06,230 --> 00:08:10,130 Speaker 2: 50 100 but like thousands. What does it take? You 190 00:08:10,130 --> 00:08:13,140 Speaker 2: know in the Simon revive thing, right? His victims are 191 00:08:13,140 --> 00:08:16,310 Speaker 2: like tech savvy, you know, smart intelligent women, 192 00:08:16,310 --> 00:08:17,340 Speaker 1: working women more 193 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:18,950 Speaker 2: precisely 194 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: and they still fell for it basically. 195 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:22,980 Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts, what do you think goes 196 00:08:22,980 --> 00:08:24,910 Speaker 1: into the mind of this fraudsters? 197 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: I think it's a thrill. I think they're chasing like excitement. 198 00:08:28,170 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: It's like when you shoplift 199 00:08:29,340 --> 00:08:31,820 Speaker 2: something like that and then once you start, like you said, 200 00:08:31,820 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: you can't stop, 201 00:08:32,610 --> 00:08:35,819 Speaker 1: right? So after watching the documentary, there was one part 202 00:08:35,820 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: where this film mentioned that the victims actually went to 203 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,970 Speaker 1: Simon raviv's home, tracked down his mother, but when they 204 00:08:43,970 --> 00:08:44,550 Speaker 1: got there, 205 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,340 Speaker 1: the mother did not even want to recognize the son. 206 00:08:47,350 --> 00:08:49,850 Speaker 1: Like she's basically telling the authorities that 207 00:08:49,940 --> 00:08:52,340 Speaker 1: whatever happens to this person, it has nothing to do 208 00:08:52,340 --> 00:08:55,190 Speaker 1: with me. Please just go leave me alone. So I 209 00:08:55,190 --> 00:08:57,220 Speaker 1: don't know whether it could have been part of the 210 00:08:57,220 --> 00:09:00,740 Speaker 1: childhood that formed this person to how he or she 211 00:09:00,740 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 1: is today, but it's really pretty sad now. 212 00:09:03,210 --> 00:09:06,380 Speaker 2: It's possible as well. But I think it's to them 213 00:09:06,390 --> 00:09:09,500 Speaker 2: it's like easy money, right? Like you scam people for money, 214 00:09:09,510 --> 00:09:12,150 Speaker 2: but the amount of effort put in, you would have 215 00:09:12,150 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 2: been putting elsewhere. You 216 00:09:13,650 --> 00:09:14,860 Speaker 1: may not 217 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,420 Speaker 1: may not have made that much money. 218 00:09:18,429 --> 00:09:22,729 Speaker 2: It's manipulation, manipulation. Um, and I think as a victim, right? 219 00:09:22,730 --> 00:09:24,229 Speaker 2: So I don't know anyone who is part of a 220 00:09:24,230 --> 00:09:26,700 Speaker 2: love scam. But I do know of someone who got 221 00:09:26,700 --> 00:09:30,550 Speaker 2: scammed a very big amount of money about like $300,000. 222 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,410 Speaker 2: And she said that when she realized it was a 223 00:09:33,410 --> 00:09:34,050 Speaker 2: scam 224 00:09:34,540 --> 00:09:37,530 Speaker 2: it was as though like black magic had taken over 225 00:09:37,530 --> 00:09:40,050 Speaker 2: her like she she didn't know what she was doing 226 00:09:40,059 --> 00:09:42,460 Speaker 2: and then at the end of the day she realized 227 00:09:42,470 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 2: and then yeah, she thought her life was over essentially. 228 00:09:45,970 --> 00:09:46,630 Speaker 2: So I 229 00:09:46,630 --> 00:09:48,980 Speaker 1: think what was his corporate scam? 230 00:09:48,990 --> 00:09:53,069 Speaker 2: This is like one of those investment investment scams 231 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:54,059 Speaker 1: now. She's 232 00:09:54,059 --> 00:09:55,150 Speaker 2: okay now. Yeah, but 233 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,350 Speaker 2: she just felt like it was a blur and when 234 00:09:57,350 --> 00:09:59,119 Speaker 2: she came out of it it was like, you know 235 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 2: what I mean? Like money but the money is gone. 236 00:10:02,050 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 2: She 237 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:03,730 Speaker 1: didn't manage to get it back. 238 00:10:03,740 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 2: Of course not, wow. 239 00:10:05,690 --> 00:10:08,300 Speaker 1: Well I feel like, well that's unfortunate but for love 240 00:10:08,300 --> 00:10:10,150 Speaker 1: scams as well, what gets 241 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,590 Speaker 1: cond away from you also feel feelings, oh 242 00:10:13,590 --> 00:10:17,100 Speaker 2: for sure because you're emotionally invested and they manipulate you. 243 00:10:17,100 --> 00:10:19,310 Speaker 2: It's going to be trauma for the rest of your life. 244 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,030 Speaker 2: You're going to have like difficulty trusting your next partner. 245 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: Really. Really So have you guys ever interacted with or 246 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: met someone online that turns out not as you expect 247 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:28,490 Speaker 1: them to be 248 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,270 Speaker 2: very scared to meet people from online, right? 249 00:10:31,429 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 1: Catfishing is 250 00:10:32,570 --> 00:10:35,059 Speaker 2: I think there's always that sort of like 251 00:10:35,140 --> 00:10:39,790 Speaker 2: reservation, you know like people are a little bit different online, 252 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,570 Speaker 2: that kind of thing. I've had a lot of like 253 00:10:41,570 --> 00:10:44,790 Speaker 2: fake dating like people use my face and then create 254 00:10:44,790 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 2: dating profiles that have a lot 255 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,820 Speaker 1: of celebrities I guess. No really seriously 256 00:10:50,260 --> 00:10:52,350 Speaker 2: but that's scary. They're using your face and your name, 257 00:10:52,350 --> 00:10:53,290 Speaker 2: talk to other people. 258 00:10:53,300 --> 00:10:54,550 Speaker 1: So it really takes 259 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,300 Speaker 1: a wise person on the app to know that that's 260 00:10:57,300 --> 00:10:59,390 Speaker 1: not actually you for example. Right? 261 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,510 Speaker 2: Actually I saw a video recently, it was quite funny. 262 00:11:01,510 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 2: So basically this guy was on Tinder 263 00:11:03,940 --> 00:11:06,780 Speaker 2: and he was talking to this girl and then he 264 00:11:06,780 --> 00:11:09,410 Speaker 2: decided to go check out instagram and then send her 265 00:11:09,410 --> 00:11:11,470 Speaker 2: a message on instagram and said I thought I'd take 266 00:11:11,470 --> 00:11:12,060 Speaker 2: it here 267 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,460 Speaker 2: and then she was like I'm not on dinner 268 00:11:18,140 --> 00:11:22,469 Speaker 2: no and then now he's like, but then I realized 269 00:11:22,470 --> 00:11:23,949 Speaker 2: it's quite a good pickup line. So now I'm just 270 00:11:23,950 --> 00:11:27,429 Speaker 2: going on instagram profiles going I thought I'd take it often. No, 271 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:31,479 Speaker 1: no but it was wise of the guy to cross 272 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,989 Speaker 1: check though like move on to another app and just 273 00:11:33,990 --> 00:11:36,350 Speaker 1: check whether this goes real. I feel like 274 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,530 Speaker 1: love scams don't just happen online. One of my friends 275 00:11:39,530 --> 00:11:43,250 Speaker 1: experience it in real life as well. So she actually 276 00:11:43,250 --> 00:11:45,410 Speaker 1: takes a cab to work every day and sometimes she 277 00:11:45,410 --> 00:11:48,459 Speaker 1: gets a grab hit right because it's cheaper. So one 278 00:11:48,460 --> 00:11:51,110 Speaker 1: fine day this guy picks her up and I don't 279 00:11:51,110 --> 00:11:53,350 Speaker 1: know because of how the car is situated. She ended 280 00:11:53,350 --> 00:11:55,460 Speaker 1: up sitting next to him instead of at the back 281 00:11:55,470 --> 00:11:57,500 Speaker 1: and then they started talking and then they really hit 282 00:11:57,500 --> 00:11:57,860 Speaker 1: it off 283 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,660 Speaker 1: and the guy's like saying oh so your work ends 284 00:12:00,660 --> 00:12:02,950 Speaker 1: about eight p.m. Actually I will pass by this area 285 00:12:02,950 --> 00:12:05,150 Speaker 1: again at eight p.m. If you want I can hit 286 00:12:05,150 --> 00:12:08,020 Speaker 1: you back home then you can not go through the app. 287 00:12:08,030 --> 00:12:11,050 Speaker 1: So that was what they did. And then because they 288 00:12:11,050 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: were exchanged numbers right the next day the guy would 289 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:14,410 Speaker 1: text and say are you going to work the same 290 00:12:14,410 --> 00:12:16,770 Speaker 1: time again? I'm also hinted that area we can go 291 00:12:16,770 --> 00:12:17,329 Speaker 1: together 292 00:12:17,340 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 2: but she's saying 293 00:12:18,330 --> 00:12:21,469 Speaker 1: she's still paying because they still grabbed each month. So 294 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,890 Speaker 1: yeah basically this is how their relationship from. They really 295 00:12:24,900 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: hit it off very very well started talking and then 296 00:12:27,130 --> 00:12:31,890 Speaker 1: eventually after maybe like a few weeks they took things 297 00:12:31,900 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: one step ahead. They went out on dates you know 298 00:12:34,890 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: together and stuff and this friend of mine, she never 299 00:12:37,650 --> 00:12:39,650 Speaker 1: ever thought of checking this guy's instagram. 300 00:12:39,740 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: The guy just told her I'm not very active on 301 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: instagram and she said okay then she never really checked 302 00:12:44,809 --> 00:12:47,929 Speaker 1: until one fine day on the cat, she saw that 303 00:12:47,940 --> 00:12:51,609 Speaker 1: this guy was texting someone at a red light and 304 00:12:51,610 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: that someone right had this like red hardship emoji beside 305 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: her name. So she found like if something is weird 306 00:12:58,640 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: and fishy so 307 00:13:00,140 --> 00:13:03,050 Speaker 1: she peeped at his phone and she asked him 308 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: who is this baby with the hardship hardship hardship is 309 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,560 Speaker 1: the hardship. Very very then 310 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:10,610 Speaker 2: he's stupid and 311 00:13:10,610 --> 00:13:12,660 Speaker 1: then exactly and then 312 00:13:12,740 --> 00:13:15,870 Speaker 1: he said some story about how this is my sister 313 00:13:15,870 --> 00:13:17,510 Speaker 1: in law, she liked to change her own name to 314 00:13:17,510 --> 00:13:22,230 Speaker 1: baby which sister in law would do 315 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:23,220 Speaker 2: so and 316 00:13:23,220 --> 00:13:25,290 Speaker 1: then she started to be a bit suspicious but there 317 00:13:25,290 --> 00:13:28,460 Speaker 1: was like three months into the relationship. Three damn months. 318 00:13:28,590 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: It took that long 319 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,820 Speaker 1: and she told one of her good friends and her 320 00:13:31,820 --> 00:13:32,550 Speaker 1: friend decided 321 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,780 Speaker 1: I need to be your P. I. For this give 322 00:13:35,780 --> 00:13:38,349 Speaker 1: me his name. So she looked him up on instagram 323 00:13:38,350 --> 00:13:41,370 Speaker 1: on facebook everything and found out that this guy actually 324 00:13:41,370 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: has a wife 325 00:13:42,050 --> 00:13:43,910 Speaker 2: oh my God it's 326 00:13:43,910 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: crazy. So my friend decided that this was this is bad, 327 00:13:49,210 --> 00:13:52,510 Speaker 1: she decided to tell the wife what was happening. 328 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:53,860 Speaker 2: Yes absolutely 329 00:13:53,860 --> 00:13:54,250 Speaker 1: should 330 00:13:54,340 --> 00:13:57,220 Speaker 1: and as much as I think it may have hurt 331 00:13:57,220 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 1: her a bit but I'm very glad that she stepped 332 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:01,050 Speaker 1: out of it and did the right thing. 333 00:14:01,059 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: So this serves as a lesson. Always check the instagram 334 00:14:05,050 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 2: always do your searching you know before you go out 335 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,460 Speaker 2: on a date that's why do our C. S. I. 336 00:14:10,460 --> 00:14:10,570 Speaker 2: The 337 00:14:10,570 --> 00:14:11,870 Speaker 1: person right before 338 00:14:11,870 --> 00:14:13,670 Speaker 2: even meeting them. So 339 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: I find that sometimes when it comes to dating it's 340 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:17,350 Speaker 1: very dangerous to fall 341 00:14:17,740 --> 00:14:20,990 Speaker 1: fall into the whole situation hard first over your head 342 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,110 Speaker 2: but I always do that like I fall in like 343 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:25,140 Speaker 2: immediately 344 00:14:25,150 --> 00:14:25,930 Speaker 1: head over heels. 345 00:14:25,930 --> 00:14:27,950 Speaker 2: No and when I was younger like people would say 346 00:14:27,950 --> 00:14:31,500 Speaker 2: nasty things like people say like oh like they're talking 347 00:14:31,510 --> 00:14:34,770 Speaker 2: gossiping amongst themselves and like just wants her money kind 348 00:14:34,770 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 2: of thing they will say things like that like oh 349 00:14:36,850 --> 00:14:39,140 Speaker 2: you got to be careful, you know people take advantage 350 00:14:39,140 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 2: of you and right but I mean I can take 351 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:42,860 Speaker 2: care of myself things 352 00:14:42,870 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: right? Exactly. And trust us both of us have seen 353 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,220 Speaker 1: a self, he's definitely not 354 00:14:47,220 --> 00:14:50,980 Speaker 2: here for money, we're not covered the problems 355 00:14:51,340 --> 00:14:52,530 Speaker 1: that is 356 00:14:52,540 --> 00:14:55,270 Speaker 2: actually got no money to give himself. 357 00:14:56,140 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: So now I want to ask to what extent is 358 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: being cautious, too cautious like we mentioned with C. S. I. 359 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,930 Speaker 1: This person we will do our checks are due diligence 360 00:15:04,930 --> 00:15:07,790 Speaker 1: but sometimes we may hold back a bit too much. 361 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,310 Speaker 2: I think you can't be like defensive when you meet them. 362 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,740 Speaker 2: If you already have a wall up then this relationship 363 00:15:12,740 --> 00:15:15,020 Speaker 2: is not going to go anywhere. If you have severe 364 00:15:15,020 --> 00:15:18,090 Speaker 2: trust issues, you shouldn't even be stepping into a relationship. 365 00:15:18,100 --> 00:15:19,980 Speaker 1: But how do we strike a good balance then? I 366 00:15:19,980 --> 00:15:20,230 Speaker 1: think 367 00:15:20,230 --> 00:15:22,450 Speaker 2: this problem exists because 368 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:25,380 Speaker 2: you see relationships already come with their own set of 369 00:15:25,380 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 2: problems but now that it's taken online right? It comes 370 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 2: with another set of problems but I think it's a process. 371 00:15:32,930 --> 00:15:35,730 Speaker 2: I feel like there's no sure way about it, you 372 00:15:35,730 --> 00:15:39,070 Speaker 2: know just do your checks as long as you feel safe. 373 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 2: Yeah and like 374 00:15:40,940 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 2: tell your friend where you are correct or something like 375 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:48,580 Speaker 2: their life location, I think they're called scams but not 376 00:15:48,580 --> 00:15:51,260 Speaker 2: necessarily view them like as a scam. You know, as 377 00:15:51,260 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 2: like something that happens because we know of stories where 378 00:15:53,850 --> 00:15:57,940 Speaker 2: like in marriages after years and years, like the husband 379 00:15:57,940 --> 00:16:00,530 Speaker 2: has taken all of the wife's money and then leave that. 380 00:16:00,540 --> 00:16:02,790 Speaker 2: Is that a love scam? I mean that's also a 381 00:16:02,790 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 2: romance fraud of some sort, you know, that's a terrible person. 382 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 2: That's for sure. For sure. Actually, right, So very recently 383 00:16:10,170 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 2: I have friends who are pretty active in the apps. 384 00:16:12,490 --> 00:16:13,550 Speaker 2: It's not like 385 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:17,270 Speaker 2: a huge catfish per se, but I feel like it's 386 00:16:17,270 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 2: a red flag. I was when I heard the story, 387 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:20,740 Speaker 2: I was waving my arms in the air, I was 388 00:16:20,740 --> 00:16:25,020 Speaker 2: like red flag. So basically they had met and on 389 00:16:25,020 --> 00:16:27,590 Speaker 2: the app, I think she said she was like, let's say, 390 00:16:27,590 --> 00:16:30,970 Speaker 2: she said she was like 25 then they met and 391 00:16:30,970 --> 00:16:33,790 Speaker 2: they had gone on dates and everything and she still 392 00:16:33,790 --> 00:16:35,060 Speaker 2: says she's 25 393 00:16:35,350 --> 00:16:36,050 Speaker 2: and then 394 00:16:36,540 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 2: after a particular day at the end of everything and 395 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:41,270 Speaker 2: then she goes, 396 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,859 Speaker 2: Actually I'm 30, that's wrong, right? You shouldn't do that. 397 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:45,870 Speaker 1: But also I 398 00:16:45,870 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 2: must like that. 399 00:16:46,690 --> 00:16:48,710 Speaker 1: But I also feel like it shows that the girl 400 00:16:48,710 --> 00:16:52,140 Speaker 1: is insecure about her own age, like she's worried that 401 00:16:52,150 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: if she says that she's an actual age, 30 years old, 402 00:16:55,170 --> 00:16:57,060 Speaker 1: maybe the guy would not like her anymore. 403 00:16:57,540 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: But then again, that's what I'm saying. If the guy 404 00:16:59,370 --> 00:17:01,530 Speaker 1: likes you for your age, then don't go for this guy. 405 00:17:01,540 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 2: That's a red flag, right? Red. Okay, so I have 406 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:11,530 Speaker 2: a story, this was just before the pandemic. So she 407 00:17:11,530 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 2: was traveling 408 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,890 Speaker 2: and she's one of those who likes to swipe on 409 00:17:14,900 --> 00:17:19,330 Speaker 2: apps while she's overseas, different fish, different flavor just to see, 410 00:17:19,330 --> 00:17:19,770 Speaker 2: you know. 411 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:24,229 Speaker 2: So she had matched with this person and this person 412 00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:26,510 Speaker 2: apparently according to her until today, she swears to her 413 00:17:26,510 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 2: grave that he looks like Henry golding. Okay, 414 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,740 Speaker 2: so for her it was not really like a date 415 00:17:35,740 --> 00:17:38,389 Speaker 2: thing like oh I'm in your country. Like if you 416 00:17:38,390 --> 00:17:39,889 Speaker 2: are interested to go out like you know, we can 417 00:17:39,890 --> 00:17:43,419 Speaker 2: just go around the whole thing. No it's not, it's 418 00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:48,820 Speaker 2: you take me around. Okay. But she was very attracted 419 00:17:48,820 --> 00:17:56,699 Speaker 2: to this guy because is the first time I heard correct? 420 00:17:56,710 --> 00:17:58,469 Speaker 2: So it was very good. He took around or what 421 00:17:58,470 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 2: you want to see where you wanna go, where you 422 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,850 Speaker 2: want to eat and then go out together. Okay, bye bye. Okay. 423 00:18:02,859 --> 00:18:04,109 Speaker 2: I think the second time they went out on the 424 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,070 Speaker 2: third time because she's not there for very long, right? 425 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: Basically they had proceeded to do other stuff. Okay. So 426 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 2: he brought her home. Okay. 427 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,050 Speaker 2: And then they spend the night together 428 00:18:14,740 --> 00:18:18,390 Speaker 2: and then when she wanted to leave he got like 429 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:19,270 Speaker 2: angry 430 00:18:20,030 --> 00:18:20,859 Speaker 2: and like 431 00:18:21,940 --> 00:18:23,350 Speaker 2: almost violent 432 00:18:24,340 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 2: and he was locking the door and he was just 433 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:34,570 Speaker 2: like going like he was angry and then he got 434 00:18:34,570 --> 00:18:37,390 Speaker 2: like insecure and then he started like, I don't be 435 00:18:37,390 --> 00:18:40,990 Speaker 2: emotional and everything and like this is why like I 436 00:18:40,990 --> 00:18:42,889 Speaker 2: knew you wouldn't like me. I just went on and 437 00:18:42,890 --> 00:18:43,660 Speaker 2: I was just like what? 438 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,770 Speaker 2: And she was like damn scared alone in this country. 439 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,689 Speaker 2: And she just wanted to get out. 440 00:18:48,700 --> 00:18:49,150 Speaker 1: Then 441 00:18:49,210 --> 00:18:52,010 Speaker 2: it's damn scary. But I think she was like, I 442 00:18:52,010 --> 00:18:54,700 Speaker 2: can't remember exactly what she did. But it took hours 443 00:18:54,700 --> 00:18:57,689 Speaker 2: and hours before she could eventually leave and she just 444 00:18:57,700 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 2: took the first chance. She could run out my gosh. 445 00:19:01,450 --> 00:19:02,260 Speaker 2: And then 446 00:19:02,340 --> 00:19:05,930 Speaker 2: because he knew where she was staying. No, the next 447 00:19:05,940 --> 00:19:06,410 Speaker 2: day 448 00:19:06,420 --> 00:19:07,220 Speaker 1: she saw him 449 00:19:07,220 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 2: waiting outside. 450 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:08,510 Speaker 2: Oh 451 00:19:08,510 --> 00:19:09,260 Speaker 1: damn. 452 00:19:09,270 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 2: So she had friends and then she had to like 453 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,290 Speaker 2: make sure that I asked them for help and like 454 00:19:13,300 --> 00:19:15,780 Speaker 2: because she couldn't just stay in what? So I asked 455 00:19:15,780 --> 00:19:18,570 Speaker 2: him for help and then they walk out together and 456 00:19:18,570 --> 00:19:20,230 Speaker 2: then just ignore him. And then after that I think 457 00:19:20,230 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 2: he followed for a bit crazy. It was crazy. 458 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 1: Well, but was she cheated of anything? Money. Anything like that. Okay, thankfully. 459 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:30,230 Speaker 1: Not thankfully. No. 460 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:35,830 Speaker 2: Most of freedom Life. You never know who these people 461 00:19:35,830 --> 00:19:38,540 Speaker 2: are when you meet them online, you really never know 462 00:19:38,550 --> 00:19:41,670 Speaker 2: what they look like. They could be like a serial killer. 463 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,010 Speaker 2: Well, you know, so always google their name, right? But 464 00:19:45,010 --> 00:19:46,730 Speaker 2: if it's like a john Tan, I'm sorry about it 465 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:50,270 Speaker 2: cannot be google. I'm really sorry but 466 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,510 Speaker 2: google. He tells you so much. Like it's not going 467 00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 2: to tell you the fellow is a serial killer. I 468 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 2: mean if he is like Ashley or young men, you 469 00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:59,230 Speaker 2: can see right 470 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,030 Speaker 1: now. But I do think though these frauds, they have 471 00:20:02,030 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: red flags and we can identify them if we are 472 00:20:05,210 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: sharp 473 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:06,689 Speaker 2: enough for sure. 474 00:20:06,700 --> 00:20:10,649 Speaker 1: So for one, they make very excessive claims like con 475 00:20:10,660 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: artists are narcissists right who always believed their own lives 476 00:20:13,770 --> 00:20:14,060 Speaker 1: and 477 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,990 Speaker 1: they make up these lies that are so believable that 478 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,860 Speaker 1: to them, they are really living in this fake world 479 00:20:19,859 --> 00:20:20,350 Speaker 1: that they make 480 00:20:20,350 --> 00:20:22,630 Speaker 2: up and sometimes like the things will seem too good 481 00:20:22,630 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 2: to be true. You think like 482 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 2: you're living a fairytale like, oh, he flew me to 483 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 2: Milan for dinner in a private plane. Well 484 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:29,929 Speaker 1: that happened on windows 485 00:20:29,940 --> 00:20:33,459 Speaker 2: know exactly. If it's not like, you know, if you're 486 00:20:33,460 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 2: not dating Prince Harry then chances are chances are you're 487 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:37,260 Speaker 2: being defrauded. 488 00:20:37,340 --> 00:20:37,609 Speaker 2: It's 489 00:20:37,609 --> 00:20:40,820 Speaker 1: too good to want things to move very quickly. You 490 00:20:40,820 --> 00:20:43,510 Speaker 1: realize that with them one second you're on a date 491 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,290 Speaker 1: next second, your bed the next day. He's asking money 492 00:20:47,290 --> 00:20:49,970 Speaker 1: from you. It's like pump, pump, pump, super duper fast 493 00:20:49,980 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 1: and 494 00:20:50,740 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: maybe victims will actually believe it, that you're in love 495 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:54,609 Speaker 1: with this person 496 00:20:54,619 --> 00:20:56,490 Speaker 2: and we spoke about this. Also if they avoid like 497 00:20:56,490 --> 00:20:58,890 Speaker 2: meeting in person, I think that's a very huge red 498 00:20:58,890 --> 00:20:59,210 Speaker 2: flag 499 00:20:59,220 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: question, 500 00:21:00,010 --> 00:21:02,449 Speaker 2: what if you're talking to this person, nice guy and 501 00:21:02,450 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 2: everything and then you decide to meet up and then 502 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,290 Speaker 2: when you meet up the person shows up but it's 503 00:21:07,290 --> 00:21:10,169 Speaker 2: a different person. 504 00:21:10,340 --> 00:21:13,060 Speaker 2: I feel like what what if the person like the 505 00:21:13,060 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 2: essence of the person is the same? But do you 506 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 2: have lied? Like that was the foundation of our relationship? 507 00:21:18,450 --> 00:21:19,169 Speaker 2: A lie 508 00:21:19,180 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 1: right. I 509 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,550 Speaker 2: mean but like what if the person is like you 510 00:21:22,550 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 2: know because I'm ugly and then like if I put 511 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,070 Speaker 2: my picture you would have talked to me in the 512 00:21:27,070 --> 00:21:29,870 Speaker 2: first place. What if it's the same person just that 513 00:21:29,869 --> 00:21:32,659 Speaker 2: they may to their photo like crazy. 514 00:21:32,740 --> 00:21:36,750 Speaker 2: But we also that how I don't know 515 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,270 Speaker 1: if this happened in the movie that we watched in L. A. Member. 516 00:21:39,340 --> 00:21:40,650 Speaker 2: We watched a movie nelly 517 00:21:40,660 --> 00:21:44,850 Speaker 1: Nina Dobrev was the was the female lead the christmas movie. 518 00:21:44,859 --> 00:21:49,290 Speaker 1: So she went on this app and then she saw 519 00:21:49,290 --> 00:21:52,189 Speaker 1: this caucasian guy, she thought he was cute so they 520 00:21:52,190 --> 00:21:53,910 Speaker 1: matched and then 521 00:21:54,740 --> 00:21:57,030 Speaker 1: in real life he's an asian guy, 522 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:57,820 Speaker 2: he 523 00:21:57,830 --> 00:22:01,050 Speaker 1: is not you watched the movie, I 524 00:22:01,050 --> 00:22:03,310 Speaker 2: mean I remember that, I remember that then it turned 525 00:22:03,310 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 2: out to be an asian guy. Right. 526 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,670 Speaker 1: Right, right, right. Not not saying that asian guys are 527 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,830 Speaker 1: you know like not handsome or what not just because 528 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,090 Speaker 1: he has to look 529 00:22:10,090 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 2: at harry golding will bring it back to him. Yes 530 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:13,330 Speaker 2: move on 531 00:22:13,340 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: ultimately 532 00:22:14,540 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: because the essence was the same like you mentioned, she 533 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:18,350 Speaker 1: looked past this 534 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,710 Speaker 1: and they got together in the end which is very 535 00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:23,260 Speaker 1: sweet and this agent guy is actually a very good guy. 536 00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:26,020 Speaker 1: On the other hand the caucasian guy, they have a 537 00:22:26,020 --> 00:22:28,500 Speaker 1: lot of interest that were not similar. So they really 538 00:22:28,500 --> 00:22:31,430 Speaker 1: wouldn't have worked out anyway. Yeah. So you know SPF 539 00:22:31,430 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: actually issued an advisory on internet love scams for example 540 00:22:36,140 --> 00:22:39,090 Speaker 1: exercise caution when you're befriending strangers online. 541 00:22:39,100 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 2: That's right and don't send money to people that you've 542 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,140 Speaker 2: never met before or you don't know 543 00:22:44,150 --> 00:22:46,650 Speaker 1: right? And this is very, very important that we cannot 544 00:22:46,650 --> 00:22:50,149 Speaker 1: stress enough. That's too many scams of late. Please never 545 00:22:50,150 --> 00:22:53,300 Speaker 1: share your bank account log in credentials with anyone at 546 00:22:53,310 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: all your OTP even if someone calls you and says 547 00:22:56,970 --> 00:22:59,330 Speaker 1: and your one time password because this is happening to 548 00:22:59,330 --> 00:23:02,270 Speaker 1: your bank account from OcBc. I'm here to assist you. 549 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,629 Speaker 1: Please never, ever give your OTP to anyone a 550 00:23:05,630 --> 00:23:08,730 Speaker 2: singaporean actually, you know wrote on reddit as well, this 551 00:23:08,730 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 2: person got love scammed and they have some advice, right? 552 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,260 Speaker 2: I think they said like you know, don't be defensive 553 00:23:14,260 --> 00:23:16,540 Speaker 2: with everyone that you meet, you can be cautious, but 554 00:23:16,540 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 2: if you're just defensive you'll never find someone but look 555 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,650 Speaker 2: out for the warning signs. They are usually very manipulative. 556 00:23:22,660 --> 00:23:25,550 Speaker 2: They use your weaknesses to get through to you like 557 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,530 Speaker 2: be love, be emotions or sexual desires, they use that 558 00:23:28,530 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 2: and then they hook you in right before. It's too late, 559 00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:33,860 Speaker 1: right? And I think you mentioned a very good point emotions. 560 00:23:33,940 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: I think learning how to control emotions is very very 561 00:23:36,050 --> 00:23:39,330 Speaker 1: important when you are angry you realize that you are 562 00:23:39,340 --> 00:23:43,980 Speaker 1: angry and when you are excited sexually you realize that 563 00:23:43,980 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: you are horny consciously. I think that's very very important 564 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,419 Speaker 1: because you don't just lose yourself to that feeling and 565 00:23:49,420 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: then end up falling into love scam. 566 00:23:51,050 --> 00:23:53,020 Speaker 2: Okay our producer actually has a story oh my God 567 00:23:53,020 --> 00:23:56,350 Speaker 2: this is quite spicy. So basically a friend 568 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,870 Speaker 2: who has never been on a date before like ever 569 00:23:58,869 --> 00:24:01,830 Speaker 2: very very introverted was introduced to a man by a 570 00:24:01,830 --> 00:24:03,550 Speaker 2: close relative. So you would think like 571 00:24:03,940 --> 00:24:04,429 Speaker 1: you know they 572 00:24:04,430 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 2: introduce you what this person why would I have to 573 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 2: google it? You wouldn't even think about that 574 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,570 Speaker 1: because word of mouth is the most convincing. 575 00:24:11,580 --> 00:24:14,260 Speaker 2: Exactly. So she went out on a date and all that. Right? 576 00:24:14,270 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 2: But apparently um our producers cable husband decided to go 577 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 2: and google okay 578 00:24:20,940 --> 00:24:21,850 Speaker 1: google this guy. 579 00:24:21,940 --> 00:24:25,929 Speaker 2: Yeah google this guy. Okay so check out his facebook I. G. 580 00:24:25,930 --> 00:24:29,460 Speaker 2: Tag pigs business. I. G. And found out his full name, 581 00:24:29,470 --> 00:24:31,270 Speaker 2: google his full name 582 00:24:31,540 --> 00:24:36,409 Speaker 2: turns out he's a criminal. Yes he has done a 583 00:24:36,410 --> 00:24:38,310 Speaker 2: lot of crimes including sexual 584 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:39,669 Speaker 1: assault 585 00:24:40,140 --> 00:24:42,830 Speaker 1: but how how would a close relative? The 586 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 2: relative doesn't even know. Yeah maybe they don't even know 587 00:24:46,410 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: and they think he's a good person. Good man introduced 588 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: to my relatives like that. 589 00:24:50,170 --> 00:24:53,710 Speaker 2: I think you cannot listen to relatives on because relatives right? 590 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,550 Speaker 2: I mean if they're like older anti that kind 591 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,830 Speaker 2: the only source they heard about this person is probably 592 00:24:58,859 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 2: the fellow's mother fellas mother, you know aunties, they gather 593 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,290 Speaker 2: they say what they brag what they only see the 594 00:25:03,290 --> 00:25:04,260 Speaker 2: good things. 595 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,530 Speaker 1: Probably his own mother doesn't know. Maybe maybe 596 00:25:07,540 --> 00:25:10,460 Speaker 2: about the crimes criminal. 597 00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: Okay. 598 00:25:14,690 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 2: A little disclaimer before we end. Okay. Not all people 599 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,530 Speaker 2: that you'll meet online are bad. In fact, a lot 600 00:25:19,530 --> 00:25:21,060 Speaker 2: of people have relationships with like 601 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,570 Speaker 2: great people that they've met through Tinder. Just even a friendship. 602 00:25:25,580 --> 00:25:27,179 Speaker 1: Right. Right. Have you 603 00:25:27,180 --> 00:25:31,180 Speaker 2: guys heard of this Tinder bestie, What's it called? Tinder friend? Yeah, 604 00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:33,750 Speaker 2: it's like Tinder but to find a best friend. BFF 605 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 2: that's so 606 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,899 Speaker 1: cool. I haven't heard of it. You know, romantic relationship relationship. 607 00:25:37,910 --> 00:25:39,530 Speaker 2: You want to find a best friend who has similar 608 00:25:39,530 --> 00:25:41,820 Speaker 2: interests with you can do the same things and hang out. 609 00:25:42,030 --> 00:25:45,550 Speaker 2: So yeah, if you move to a new city, no friends. 610 00:25:45,900 --> 00:25:49,190 Speaker 1: Right? But saying that you know, please be aware that 611 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,830 Speaker 1: even your friends can scam you because no, that really 612 00:25:52,830 --> 00:25:56,889 Speaker 1: happened in Tinder cylinder one girl was conned out of love. 613 00:25:56,900 --> 00:25:59,980 Speaker 1: The other girl was called out of friendship. Friendship. That's right. 614 00:25:59,980 --> 00:26:02,070 Speaker 1: And the third girl was smart enough to get back 615 00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: some of the money. But 616 00:26:03,140 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 1: how I wouldn't say go and watch that documentary for yourself. 617 00:26:05,890 --> 00:26:08,140 Speaker 1: It actually would help you to be a bit more 618 00:26:08,140 --> 00:26:09,260 Speaker 1: sharp when it comes to 619 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:10,940 Speaker 1: recognizing cons and 620 00:26:10,940 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 2: frauds definitely just be mindful when you meet new people. 621 00:26:15,609 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 2: This is like for everything in life in general. And 622 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,650 Speaker 2: one thing to remember is google is free. A producer, 623 00:26:21,660 --> 00:26:24,649 Speaker 2: Google is free producer and your husband is very good, 624 00:26:24,820 --> 00:26:27,470 Speaker 2: very good, very good. Next time if we ever go 625 00:26:27,470 --> 00:26:28,060 Speaker 2: on a date 626 00:26:28,140 --> 00:26:31,050 Speaker 2: you can help us to C. S. I. 627 00:26:31,340 --> 00:26:32,949 Speaker 1: So with that. Thank you so much for joining us 628 00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: on this episode. 629 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 2: That's right. Follow us on instagram at its clarity dot 630 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,810 Speaker 2: co for more updates and let us know what you 631 00:26:37,810 --> 00:26:40,210 Speaker 2: want us to discuss. Listen to us on Spotify me. 632 00:26:40,210 --> 00:26:42,070 Speaker 2: Listen Apple podcasts and on your push 633 00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:46,070 Speaker 1: notifications. I'm hazel Missouri and we'll see you in the 634 00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:47,450 Speaker 1: next episode of clarity's.