1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:00,940 Speaker 1: Hi hazel 2 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 2: and I'm jermaine and welcome back to another 3 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:05,020 Speaker 1: episode of calamities. 4 00:00:06,940 --> 00:00:10,330 Speaker 1: Okay, so girls, in a few words, how has your 5 00:00:10,330 --> 00:00:13,900 Speaker 1: 2022 bin? I have one word. One word go for 6 00:00:13,900 --> 00:00:18,770 Speaker 1: it chaotic. Oh, I don't know why, but I do 7 00:00:18,770 --> 00:00:21,010 Speaker 1: feel like from the people around me as well, 2022 8 00:00:21,010 --> 00:00:23,590 Speaker 1: has been very fast paced maybe because everything's going back 9 00:00:23,590 --> 00:00:25,660 Speaker 1: to normal. Hmm. I think 10 00:00:25,739 --> 00:00:27,860 Speaker 1: not too far off from that, I would say. 11 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: A little bit 12 00:00:28,770 --> 00:00:30,750 Speaker 2: unsettling. Yeah, 13 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,780 Speaker 1: like everything is uncertain. Yeah. And 14 00:00:34,780 --> 00:00:36,950 Speaker 2: for me, I think I would use the word 15 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,740 Speaker 2: Fatigue to describe my 2022 because it's been full of 16 00:00:41,740 --> 00:00:44,940 Speaker 2: like many things on going at the same time. Um 17 00:00:44,950 --> 00:00:46,190 Speaker 2: some of the people 18 00:00:46,190 --> 00:00:47,410 Speaker 1: I love have gotten Covid, 19 00:00:47,420 --> 00:00:49,449 Speaker 2: thankfully they have recovered. But you know, it's not a 20 00:00:49,450 --> 00:00:52,629 Speaker 2: very nice emotional journey to go through and you know, 21 00:00:52,630 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: this is exactly what we're going to be talking about 22 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,060 Speaker 2: this episode. Are we afraid 23 00:00:57,460 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: of change 24 00:00:58,740 --> 00:01:03,010 Speaker 2: In 2022? Are we afraid to try new things in 2022? Okay. 25 00:01:03,010 --> 00:01:05,300 Speaker 2: But before that, what are some of the things that 26 00:01:05,300 --> 00:01:06,020 Speaker 2: you see 27 00:01:06,030 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: um the past three months, you want to start a 28 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:12,340 Speaker 1: positive for the positive. I've really seen people come together 29 00:01:12,350 --> 00:01:14,380 Speaker 2: and help each other out because so many people are 30 00:01:14,380 --> 00:01:16,030 Speaker 1: getting Covid right? So people will like 31 00:01:16,030 --> 00:01:17,060 Speaker 2: post online on instagram 32 00:01:17,060 --> 00:01:19,150 Speaker 1: stories like this is what you do if you get 33 00:01:19,150 --> 00:01:21,090 Speaker 1: Covid get this medication and this 34 00:01:21,090 --> 00:01:22,830 Speaker 2: home remedy. I love that the Lien. 35 00:01:22,830 --> 00:01:23,740 Speaker 1: What? I don't know what 36 00:01:23,740 --> 00:01:24,990 Speaker 2: medicine. Yeah, yeah, that's the 37 00:01:24,990 --> 00:01:26,150 Speaker 1: one. Yeah. So it's 38 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:27,220 Speaker 2: just great to see. What about 39 00:01:27,220 --> 00:01:30,570 Speaker 1: you? I think that with, you know, the 40 00:01:30,580 --> 00:01:31,179 Speaker 2: pandemic for 41 00:01:31,180 --> 00:01:33,510 Speaker 1: sure, you know, becoming more of a norm and people 42 00:01:33,510 --> 00:01:33,870 Speaker 1: knowing 43 00:01:33,870 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: what to do about it, 44 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: knowing what to do with it. I thinks we're 45 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:38,350 Speaker 2: sort of getting our 46 00:01:38,350 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: groove, getting a rhythm and I see that people are 47 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:41,789 Speaker 2: going out there to, you 48 00:01:41,790 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: know, sort of like get themselves out 49 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:44,270 Speaker 2: of the rut that they've been 50 00:01:44,270 --> 00:01:46,670 Speaker 1: in, you know, for the past year. So, and they're 51 00:01:46,670 --> 00:01:49,550 Speaker 1: doing like, new things. Yes, that's really good to 52 00:01:49,550 --> 00:01:50,860 Speaker 2: see. And for me, 53 00:01:50,870 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: many of my friends have 54 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,170 Speaker 2: gotten married just in 2020 55 00:01:53,170 --> 00:01:55,770 Speaker 1: two itself, so I'm happy to see, you know, more 56 00:01:55,770 --> 00:01:56,820 Speaker 1: of them are holding, like the 57 00:01:56,820 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: wedding banquets have been 58 00:01:57,880 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: put off for like 59 00:01:58,940 --> 00:02:02,140 Speaker 1: Month after month after month. So, how much have you 60 00:02:02,150 --> 00:02:05,140 Speaker 1: given away in money? Well, I tell you so much, 61 00:02:05,150 --> 00:02:09,260 Speaker 1: I've been to like 4-5 wedding banquets just in 2022 alone. 62 00:02:09,260 --> 00:02:10,250 Speaker 2: But, you know, it's a, 63 00:02:10,260 --> 00:02:11,769 Speaker 1: it's a happy thing. I'm more 64 00:02:11,770 --> 00:02:13,369 Speaker 2: than happy to be doing that. And 65 00:02:13,370 --> 00:02:14,540 Speaker 1: also I see many people 66 00:02:14,540 --> 00:02:17,060 Speaker 2: traveling on my ig story. 67 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,530 Speaker 2: I love when people like travel and then they post 68 00:02:21,530 --> 00:02:22,660 Speaker 1: everything that they do. 69 00:02:22,669 --> 00:02:23,709 Speaker 2: It's like, I'm in Switzerland 70 00:02:23,710 --> 00:02:24,579 Speaker 1: with you. I'm 71 00:02:24,580 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 2: leaving through them, you know, is that kind of feeling. 72 00:02:27,330 --> 00:02:29,990 Speaker 2: So that's really nice to see. But of course there's 73 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,679 Speaker 2: also certain things that we don't see amidst the pandemic. 74 00:02:32,690 --> 00:02:34,650 Speaker 2: What do you think they are? Something that I think 75 00:02:34,650 --> 00:02:37,750 Speaker 2: is it should be more talked about is how fatigued 76 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: our frontline 77 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,990 Speaker 2: stuff because I've had callers calling in where 78 00:02:41,990 --> 00:02:43,870 Speaker 1: like the husband and the wife of the wife is 79 00:02:43,870 --> 00:02:44,790 Speaker 1: a nurse and wife 80 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:45,740 Speaker 2: ot for hours 81 00:02:45,740 --> 00:02:48,670 Speaker 1: and hours and I've had friends post on their instagram stories. 82 00:02:48,669 --> 00:02:50,620 Speaker 1: Like I don't know how long more I can take this. 83 00:02:50,620 --> 00:02:51,389 Speaker 2: You know, they 84 00:02:51,389 --> 00:02:54,170 Speaker 1: had all their off days canceled. They can't take leave 85 00:02:54,169 --> 00:02:54,660 Speaker 1: and stuff like 86 00:02:54,660 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 2: that. I think that's a great point because 87 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:57,790 Speaker 1: I think before this we were just 88 00:02:57,790 --> 00:03:00,260 Speaker 2: hearing about it. But a couple of days ago because 89 00:03:00,260 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 2: I went to the hospital, 90 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 2: I saw 91 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:03,900 Speaker 1: it for myself, 92 00:03:03,910 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 2: I saw how they were so short handed and they 93 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,450 Speaker 2: were so, I think 94 00:03:09,940 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: just tired. They just looked tired even though they didn't 95 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:13,860 Speaker 2: say anything. But it just felt 96 00:03:13,860 --> 00:03:14,900 Speaker 1: like it was a 97 00:03:14,900 --> 00:03:16,740 Speaker 2: bunch of people who were just trying very 98 00:03:16,740 --> 00:03:18,150 Speaker 1: hard to sort of like 99 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,350 Speaker 2: keep the system going mm mm mm mm mm mm 100 00:03:20,350 --> 00:03:23,710 Speaker 2: mm mm mm mm. And for me, the healthcare sort 101 00:03:23,710 --> 00:03:24,970 Speaker 1: of things apart. Like even 102 00:03:24,970 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: my friends in the corporate world, 103 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,220 Speaker 2: I feel like they always find the need to 104 00:03:29,230 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: outperform themselves 105 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: to achieve even better. So they can work hard to 106 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,570 Speaker 2: get a promotion amidst the pandemic. Like many 107 00:03:37,570 --> 00:03:39,330 Speaker 1: friends, like calling me up or like when we go 108 00:03:39,330 --> 00:03:41,700 Speaker 1: out for coffee, they tell me it's a competitive world 109 00:03:41,710 --> 00:03:43,610 Speaker 1: out there. You know, like it's 110 00:03:43,610 --> 00:03:45,070 Speaker 2: so tough to like show 111 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,619 Speaker 1: to their bosses to prove to the bosses that you know, hey, 112 00:03:47,620 --> 00:03:49,610 Speaker 1: I'm really working so hard work from 113 00:03:49,610 --> 00:03:50,050 Speaker 2: home 114 00:03:50,340 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: 9-6, I'm 115 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: already working 116 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:53,210 Speaker 1: more hours on 117 00:03:53,210 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: top of that and 118 00:03:54,250 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: I find that they have been putting a lot of 119 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,470 Speaker 1: pressure on themselves and of course being 120 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:01,140 Speaker 2: in the middle of the 121 00:04:01,140 --> 00:04:02,660 Speaker 1: pandemic, there are many 122 00:04:02,660 --> 00:04:04,030 Speaker 2: things that they worry 123 00:04:04,030 --> 00:04:04,820 Speaker 1: about, of course bring 124 00:04:04,820 --> 00:04:06,020 Speaker 2: bread home for the family 125 00:04:06,020 --> 00:04:07,810 Speaker 1: is one of them as well. So 126 00:04:07,820 --> 00:04:09,020 Speaker 2: what are your first 127 00:04:09,020 --> 00:04:11,340 Speaker 1: thoughts about whether singaporeans are 128 00:04:11,340 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: willing to take 129 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:12,430 Speaker 2: a 130 00:04:12,430 --> 00:04:13,700 Speaker 1: leap of faith, are willing to 131 00:04:13,710 --> 00:04:16,410 Speaker 2: change their lifestyles or their jobs 132 00:04:16,420 --> 00:04:18,990 Speaker 1: even amid the pandemic. I've had quite a number of 133 00:04:18,990 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: colleagues leave recently. Yeah, very close to them. So I'm 134 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,630 Speaker 1: very happy for them that they took that leap of faith, right? 135 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:27,130 Speaker 1: And I think 136 00:04:27,130 --> 00:04:28,060 Speaker 2: they are happy as well 137 00:04:28,060 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: for a change of scenery, you know? But do you 138 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,310 Speaker 1: realize that it's only the young people who dare to 139 00:04:32,310 --> 00:04:33,860 Speaker 1: do this? Yes. 140 00:04:33,940 --> 00:04:34,940 Speaker 2: And I feel like there's 141 00:04:34,940 --> 00:04:35,810 Speaker 1: still sort of like a 142 00:04:35,810 --> 00:04:37,310 Speaker 2: stigma 143 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:38,420 Speaker 1: especially among the 144 00:04:38,430 --> 00:04:42,150 Speaker 2: older ones, like okay, so right, my mother used to 145 00:04:42,150 --> 00:04:44,740 Speaker 2: work in HR and for a long time I would 146 00:04:44,740 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 2: hear her say things like, oh yeah, these young people, 147 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 2: they hop all the time 148 00:04:48,730 --> 00:04:52,210 Speaker 1: as if it's a bad thing. Yeah, but I think 149 00:04:52,210 --> 00:04:52,430 Speaker 1: that 150 00:04:52,430 --> 00:04:54,250 Speaker 2: landscape is sort of changing 151 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:56,729 Speaker 1: because I think they need to understand as well that 152 00:04:56,740 --> 00:05:00,500 Speaker 1: who said you have to stick to show 153 00:05:00,500 --> 00:05:01,380 Speaker 2: something, you know what I 154 00:05:01,380 --> 00:05:01,659 Speaker 1: mean? 155 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,070 Speaker 1: exactly, exactly. My mother was with her job for like 156 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,739 Speaker 1: 20 odd years before that 157 00:05:07,740 --> 00:05:10,330 Speaker 2: company closed down because it's producing books, printing 158 00:05:10,330 --> 00:05:11,340 Speaker 1: paper and all that right? 159 00:05:11,339 --> 00:05:12,660 Speaker 2: And then the digital market took 160 00:05:12,660 --> 00:05:14,770 Speaker 1: over obviously like it wasn't performing 161 00:05:14,770 --> 00:05:16,710 Speaker 2: well. And another friend 162 00:05:16,710 --> 00:05:17,750 Speaker 1: of mine lost her job 163 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,830 Speaker 2: amid the pandemic. She got another job, lost it again 164 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: because of the pandemic and she was just 165 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: put into this like emotional 166 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 2: pressure, like I don't think she needs the money but 167 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:26,659 Speaker 2: she wants 168 00:05:26,660 --> 00:05:27,630 Speaker 1: to have something to do. 169 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,810 Speaker 2: So she's always clinging onto the hope of having a 170 00:05:30,820 --> 00:05:32,950 Speaker 2: career to go to an office to go to every 171 00:05:32,950 --> 00:05:34,090 Speaker 2: single day. I don't 172 00:05:34,089 --> 00:05:35,060 Speaker 1: think it's necessarily 173 00:05:35,060 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: like that we don't want to 174 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: change. But change can be 175 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 2: very scary. Like even thinking about all these colleagues leaving me, 176 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:42,490 Speaker 1: I feel quite abandoned. 177 00:05:42,500 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 2: Oh yes you guys don't need me okay. But yeah, 178 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: I mean I'm really happy 179 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:50,540 Speaker 1: for them to seek new 180 00:05:50,540 --> 00:05:54,380 Speaker 2: pastures and actually one of our crew here at clarity, 181 00:05:54,390 --> 00:05:58,700 Speaker 2: she also left to go to Korea. My such a 182 00:05:58,700 --> 00:06:02,210 Speaker 2: brave girl to just pursue her passion and like 183 00:06:02,210 --> 00:06:02,979 Speaker 1: whatever she wants 184 00:06:02,980 --> 00:06:03,660 Speaker 2: to do. So 185 00:06:03,740 --> 00:06:05,089 Speaker 2: shout out to you if you're listening 186 00:06:05,089 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: to this episode, I hope 187 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:10,029 Speaker 2: you're doing one career. We miss you, miss you. Well 188 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,290 Speaker 2: that's it. Do you know that apparently humans are wired 189 00:06:13,290 --> 00:06:16,700 Speaker 2: to fear change, especially when they are not within your control. 190 00:06:16,710 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 2: So things like for example 191 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:19,140 Speaker 1: changing jobs, 192 00:06:19,150 --> 00:06:21,580 Speaker 2: changing of homes, we have control over that because we 193 00:06:21,580 --> 00:06:24,270 Speaker 2: choose what office we want to move to next. Which 194 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:25,070 Speaker 2: area do we want 195 00:06:25,070 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: to buy our next 196 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 2: property? 197 00:06:26,540 --> 00:06:30,350 Speaker 2: But when it comes to um forces outside of our 198 00:06:30,350 --> 00:06:31,250 Speaker 2: control such 199 00:06:31,250 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: as a pandemic 200 00:06:32,330 --> 00:06:36,500 Speaker 2: or an accident we feel super super helpless and disempowered. 201 00:06:36,510 --> 00:06:39,310 Speaker 2: Well naturally right if it's something that you have 202 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,860 Speaker 1: incited you incited this change, I got this new job, 203 00:06:41,860 --> 00:06:42,350 Speaker 1: you feel proud 204 00:06:42,350 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 2: of yourself. But let's 205 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:44,860 Speaker 1: say you've got a demotion 206 00:06:44,940 --> 00:06:48,810 Speaker 1: or something like that that's not within your control naturally. 207 00:06:48,810 --> 00:06:49,050 Speaker 1: You would 208 00:06:49,050 --> 00:06:50,170 Speaker 2: feel quite upset. 209 00:06:50,180 --> 00:06:52,060 Speaker 1: Yeah and the thing is you know when you're planning 210 00:06:52,060 --> 00:06:53,690 Speaker 1: for a change that you plan 211 00:06:53,690 --> 00:06:54,570 Speaker 2: for yourself it 212 00:06:54,570 --> 00:06:57,310 Speaker 1: takes time right? You know you already know that you're 213 00:06:57,310 --> 00:07:00,130 Speaker 1: job hunting. You know it gives you months to prep 214 00:07:00,140 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: sort of yourself 215 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 2: for it. But when 216 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,029 Speaker 1: something unexpected happens that's when it takes you by surprise 217 00:07:05,029 --> 00:07:05,750 Speaker 2: and I think a lot of 218 00:07:05,750 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: people 219 00:07:06,540 --> 00:07:07,650 Speaker 1: um it's not the 220 00:07:07,650 --> 00:07:08,620 Speaker 2: easiest to deal with. 221 00:07:08,630 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: Right? So 222 00:07:09,850 --> 00:07:10,620 Speaker 2: bit 223 00:07:10,630 --> 00:07:13,700 Speaker 1: change that takes you by surprise or not personally. Do 224 00:07:13,700 --> 00:07:15,660 Speaker 1: you girls embrace your fear change. 225 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:22,670 Speaker 1: It's quite scary love. I personally resist change really. I 226 00:07:22,670 --> 00:07:24,780 Speaker 1: like things the way that they are you don't seem 227 00:07:24,780 --> 00:07:27,830 Speaker 1: like that you know really you seem like the outgoing, 228 00:07:27,830 --> 00:07:28,430 Speaker 1: lively kind of 229 00:07:28,430 --> 00:07:29,540 Speaker 2: girl who would take things like 230 00:07:29,540 --> 00:07:31,650 Speaker 1: however they handed to you but I'm quite timid on 231 00:07:31,650 --> 00:07:34,580 Speaker 1: the inside really I'm afraid of taking risks. I'm afraid 232 00:07:34,580 --> 00:07:36,460 Speaker 1: of trying new things. Like you 233 00:07:36,710 --> 00:07:37,860 Speaker 2: know, if you asked me to 234 00:07:37,860 --> 00:07:39,460 Speaker 1: Like get a new kind of food, I like the 235 00:07:39,460 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: one 236 00:07:39,890 --> 00:07:40,890 Speaker 2: I witnessed 237 00:07:40,890 --> 00:07:43,340 Speaker 1: that we went Korea then 238 00:07:43,340 --> 00:07:44,780 Speaker 2: they had like, you know, live 239 00:07:44,790 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 1: octopus wriggling. Yes. 240 00:07:48,370 --> 00:07:49,540 Speaker 2: And they asked me to eat 241 00:07:49,540 --> 00:07:52,260 Speaker 1: it and I was like, hell no, she'd rather die. 242 00:07:52,270 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 1: But that's a delicacy there. Right? Yeah. I don't doubt 243 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,110 Speaker 1: it's yummy but I'm afraid of new things wow. Yeah. 244 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:00,940 Speaker 2: So like little 245 00:08:00,940 --> 00:08:03,050 Speaker 1: things like that can really tell whether you embrace or 246 00:08:03,050 --> 00:08:04,740 Speaker 1: resist change. For sure. What about 247 00:08:04,910 --> 00:08:05,780 Speaker 2: what do we think 248 00:08:05,790 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: she embraces and resist it? 249 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:09,830 Speaker 2: I 250 00:08:09,830 --> 00:08:13,910 Speaker 1: think so too. Um I think I'm quite afraid of them. 251 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:14,210 Speaker 1: It will 252 00:08:14,210 --> 00:08:15,650 Speaker 2: take me maybe some time to think 253 00:08:15,650 --> 00:08:18,450 Speaker 1: about it. I would really like, you know, changes that 254 00:08:18,450 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 2: I have control over. I 255 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,710 Speaker 1: really think about it and consider it a kind of thing. 256 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: But I think 257 00:08:23,850 --> 00:08:25,790 Speaker 1: when I'm being put in a position where you know, 258 00:08:25,790 --> 00:08:26,110 Speaker 1: change 259 00:08:26,110 --> 00:08:26,750 Speaker 2: happens 260 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,110 Speaker 1: um I'll just go with it law because no choice. Right? 261 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:31,460 Speaker 1: That's the thing. She will take 262 00:08:31,460 --> 00:08:32,690 Speaker 2: whatever comes at her. 263 00:08:32,690 --> 00:08:34,260 Speaker 1: That's that's I think part of 264 00:08:34,340 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: her beauty correct. But I think ultimately 265 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,450 Speaker 2: all humans are like this. We adapt for some of 266 00:08:38,450 --> 00:08:39,630 Speaker 1: us it may take a longer time. 267 00:08:39,630 --> 00:08:41,110 Speaker 2: But for some of us, you know, we can adapt 268 00:08:41,110 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: just with 269 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:42,850 Speaker 1: the snap of a finger. 270 00:08:42,860 --> 00:08:45,979 Speaker 2: I would like to say that hazy you embrace change 271 00:08:45,980 --> 00:08:46,150 Speaker 2: with 272 00:08:46,150 --> 00:08:48,380 Speaker 1: like open arms. It's really accurate. 273 00:08:48,390 --> 00:08:51,580 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think so. I like change. 274 00:08:51,590 --> 00:08:53,939 Speaker 2: In fact I want change. I feel like if I'm 275 00:08:53,940 --> 00:08:54,620 Speaker 2: in a place 276 00:08:54,620 --> 00:08:55,580 Speaker 1: for too long and it's 277 00:08:55,580 --> 00:08:58,550 Speaker 2: too stagnant with no space or room for me to grow. 278 00:08:58,740 --> 00:08:59,270 Speaker 2: I think it's 279 00:08:59,270 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: time for me to move out of it and always 280 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:02,980 Speaker 1: like sick 281 00:09:02,980 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 2: new adventures 282 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,849 Speaker 1: or new things for me to grow. But I feel 283 00:09:05,850 --> 00:09:07,750 Speaker 1: like amongst the three of us, um, the 284 00:09:07,750 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 2: most traditional and like the conventional kind of like asian girl, No, 285 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,390 Speaker 2: really seriously these girls, you know, they have so much 286 00:09:15,390 --> 00:09:16,819 Speaker 2: fun in them so that I look at them 287 00:09:16,830 --> 00:09:18,179 Speaker 1: and I wonder to myself, 288 00:09:18,190 --> 00:09:20,180 Speaker 2: what are we really the same age or not? I 289 00:09:20,179 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 2: just want to go home and type on my laptop. 290 00:09:22,250 --> 00:09:23,410 Speaker 2: But you know, they 291 00:09:23,420 --> 00:09:24,090 Speaker 1: always go out 292 00:09:24,090 --> 00:09:25,350 Speaker 2: and have like fun 293 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,250 Speaker 2: party together, have fun together. We really don't have much together. 294 00:09:29,260 --> 00:09:31,210 Speaker 2: We don't have as much fun as you think we 295 00:09:31,210 --> 00:09:33,630 Speaker 2: do know, but 296 00:09:33,630 --> 00:09:34,900 Speaker 1: okay, I want to ask you guys 297 00:09:34,900 --> 00:09:36,410 Speaker 2: this right, what was 298 00:09:36,420 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: the biggest risk 299 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 2: You took in your life so far, but for me 300 00:09:40,330 --> 00:09:43,900 Speaker 2: it has got to be work-related. Okay, okay, so back 301 00:09:43,900 --> 00:09:46,219 Speaker 2: in 2017, that was like the first year I entered 302 00:09:46,220 --> 00:09:48,819 Speaker 2: and in 2019, 2 years in one of 303 00:09:48,820 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: my bosses actually sat me down and asked 304 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 2: me hazel, 305 00:09:51,490 --> 00:09:52,490 Speaker 1: tell me what you really 306 00:09:52,490 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 2: want, do you want to be 307 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:55,069 Speaker 1: a radio deejay or do 308 00:09:55,070 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 2: you want to act like 309 00:09:56,890 --> 00:09:58,050 Speaker 1: I can't have you 310 00:09:58,059 --> 00:10:01,809 Speaker 2: like dangling on the fence. And at that moment I 311 00:10:01,809 --> 00:10:03,620 Speaker 2: was really struck by her comment 312 00:10:03,620 --> 00:10:04,929 Speaker 1: because I didn't know that she was, 313 00:10:04,940 --> 00:10:06,010 Speaker 2: she had been thinking 314 00:10:06,010 --> 00:10:06,850 Speaker 1: of me this way. 315 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:08,770 Speaker 1: I thought I was like doing my part as an 316 00:10:08,780 --> 00:10:11,010 Speaker 1: artist um doing my radio job. 317 00:10:11,010 --> 00:10:11,970 Speaker 2: And also when I have 318 00:10:11,970 --> 00:10:13,910 Speaker 1: some spare time, I like to go and act and 319 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:15,069 Speaker 2: explore new things, right? 320 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,790 Speaker 1: But maybe to her, I wasn't being focused and I 321 00:10:17,790 --> 00:10:19,469 Speaker 1: don't I don't think that I don't blame that. I 322 00:10:19,470 --> 00:10:20,949 Speaker 1: can see where she's coming from as a boss. 323 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:21,969 Speaker 2: So I told her 324 00:10:21,980 --> 00:10:23,770 Speaker 1: boss, can you give me one day to go home 325 00:10:23,770 --> 00:10:24,850 Speaker 1: and really think about this. 326 00:10:24,860 --> 00:10:25,940 Speaker 2: And that's when I realized that 327 00:10:25,940 --> 00:10:27,589 Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this actually for the past 328 00:10:27,590 --> 00:10:28,719 Speaker 2: two years, what do 329 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:30,989 Speaker 1: I want? My future direction to be? So, I went 330 00:10:30,990 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: back to her 331 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: via text and I told her boss, I've given this 332 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,340 Speaker 1: some thought and I think I want to focus on 333 00:10:37,340 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 1: being a host at that point when I was typing 334 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,329 Speaker 1: the text, I was very afraid because 335 00:10:42,340 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 2: what if 336 00:10:43,890 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 1: I could have performed better as an actress. I mean 337 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:47,230 Speaker 1: in 338 00:10:47,230 --> 00:10:48,410 Speaker 2: life is always about 339 00:10:48,410 --> 00:10:51,579 Speaker 1: the what ifs and you never know Exactly. So I 340 00:10:51,580 --> 00:10:54,890 Speaker 1: just followed my heart hosting is actually really what I 341 00:10:54,890 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: prefer 342 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 1: and my radio job. I love it so much. And 343 00:10:58,650 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: you know, without this decision decision, 344 00:11:00,940 --> 00:11:01,690 Speaker 2: I may not even 345 00:11:01,690 --> 00:11:05,790 Speaker 1: be here today doing harsh podcast with girls. That is true, 346 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,140 Speaker 1: that is true. I don't think people 347 00:11:07,140 --> 00:11:09,490 Speaker 2: realize like it could have been any other combination of 348 00:11:09,490 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 2: three girls, it could have very, very easily 349 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:12,770 Speaker 1: been, but it just 350 00:11:12,770 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: happened. And I think this was one of the biggest 351 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: risk that 352 00:11:15,890 --> 00:11:16,900 Speaker 1: I have taken, but 353 00:11:16,910 --> 00:11:19,790 Speaker 2: absolutely no regrets. In fact, I'm glad that she asked 354 00:11:19,790 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 2: me that question. 355 00:11:20,740 --> 00:11:22,830 Speaker 2: Only two years in my career, I completely 356 00:11:22,830 --> 00:11:23,850 Speaker 1: understand. I think 357 00:11:23,860 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 2: when you're making such a big 358 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:26,900 Speaker 1: life changing decision, right, 359 00:11:26,910 --> 00:11:28,310 Speaker 2: who's to tell you which is the 360 00:11:28,309 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 1: Right one, right? You never 361 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: know what each path would have for you, 362 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: you know? So 363 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,970 Speaker 2: that's a scary bit right? I think for me I'm 364 00:11:36,970 --> 00:11:38,860 Speaker 2: living through my biggest risk right now. 365 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:40,949 Speaker 2: Yeah, which is why 2022 has been very 366 00:11:40,950 --> 00:11:41,970 Speaker 1: chaotic for me. So 367 00:11:41,970 --> 00:11:43,250 Speaker 2: you girls know that I'm starting 368 00:11:43,250 --> 00:11:45,610 Speaker 1: sort of like a business. Yes, I'm 369 00:11:45,610 --> 00:11:46,650 Speaker 2: not going to say too much about it, 370 00:11:46,650 --> 00:11:47,370 Speaker 1: but wait till I start. 371 00:11:48,140 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 1: But that causes me so much anxiety like 372 00:11:51,140 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 1: all the confidence I had built 373 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:53,740 Speaker 2: myself built 374 00:11:53,740 --> 00:11:56,530 Speaker 1: in myself over the years, right? I find myself questioning 375 00:11:56,530 --> 00:11:58,900 Speaker 1: every day what makes me think I can succeed. 376 00:11:58,910 --> 00:12:00,270 Speaker 2: What makes me think I can come out 377 00:12:00,270 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: and do a business and not lose my entire life savings. 378 00:12:02,929 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: This 379 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,949 Speaker 1: girl is so knowledgeable. She wakes up work 380 00:12:07,140 --> 00:12:10,349 Speaker 1: after work, meeting calls after calls, come to radio for 381 00:12:10,350 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: a radio show, go home, maybe enjoy one K pop 382 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:16,050 Speaker 1: drama llama and then go to sleep 383 00:12:16,140 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: and then wake up and the whole routine repeats itself. 384 00:12:19,410 --> 00:12:24,660 Speaker 1: It's actually while like how much work she does. It's crazy. 385 00:12:24,670 --> 00:12:27,179 Speaker 1: I know you're great. And when the businesses out like 386 00:12:27,190 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 2: also just keep 387 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,660 Speaker 1: motivating me. I feel like I need to have a 388 00:12:30,670 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: good support system that will 389 00:12:32,340 --> 00:12:34,579 Speaker 1: kind of not those insecurities. 390 00:12:34,590 --> 00:12:35,060 Speaker 2: Right? 391 00:12:35,070 --> 00:12:36,130 Speaker 1: What about you? 392 00:12:36,309 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 2: What's your biggest 393 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: risk in life? 394 00:12:38,340 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: I don't get married 395 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:45,500 Speaker 1: getting married. Just, I'll tell you something, Oh my God, 396 00:12:45,500 --> 00:12:46,710 Speaker 1: she really reads my 397 00:12:46,710 --> 00:12:47,730 Speaker 2: mind. I thought of 398 00:12:47,730 --> 00:12:49,790 Speaker 1: it. I just want to say it. Okay, but tell 399 00:12:49,790 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: us this girl, Yeah. If I had to pin 400 00:12:55,540 --> 00:12:55,780 Speaker 2: it 401 00:12:55,780 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: on something, I would say 402 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:58,209 Speaker 2: maybe that because 403 00:12:58,210 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 1: I can't think of anything else. Maybe because 404 00:13:00,690 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 2: you embrace change 405 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,070 Speaker 1: too much. Nothing is risking. You know? Seriously? That's true. 406 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,890 Speaker 1: I think first of all, um why I can't like 407 00:13:06,900 --> 00:13:09,950 Speaker 1: pin it on something, It's probably because I feel like, 408 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,420 Speaker 1: and I maybe made a conscious effort to decide on 409 00:13:12,420 --> 00:13:13,010 Speaker 1: this earlier 410 00:13:13,010 --> 00:13:16,260 Speaker 2: on that if I can't control it, 411 00:13:16,340 --> 00:13:18,710 Speaker 2: I will not think about it. You know, people panic 412 00:13:18,710 --> 00:13:19,550 Speaker 2: over things. People 413 00:13:19,550 --> 00:13:20,829 Speaker 1: stress over things, but 414 00:13:20,830 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 2: if you can do something about it, you have done 415 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,870 Speaker 2: something about it. If you can't, then I just throw 416 00:13:24,870 --> 00:13:28,310 Speaker 2: it out. Okay, that keeps saying that way. But I 417 00:13:28,309 --> 00:13:30,860 Speaker 2: think maybe marriage is the answer because 418 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:36,070 Speaker 2: it's a lot of work there. Of course, it's no 419 00:13:36,070 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 2: joke kind of work 420 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 2: have you gotten that remains back by the way. That's 421 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,119 Speaker 2: why a lot of work after you get it? You 422 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:47,050 Speaker 2: feel happier and nothing seems like your slave to the 423 00:13:47,050 --> 00:13:49,730 Speaker 2: back after. Like that's fine. As long as you're not 424 00:13:49,730 --> 00:13:52,260 Speaker 2: a slave to your husband never. 425 00:13:52,340 --> 00:13:53,690 Speaker 2: But this is the reality 426 00:13:53,690 --> 00:13:54,699 Speaker 1: of the situation. The 427 00:13:54,710 --> 00:13:57,260 Speaker 2: marriage relationships are all hard work. I think all our 428 00:13:57,260 --> 00:13:59,209 Speaker 2: listeners who are married right now, they're like, yes, zura, 429 00:13:59,210 --> 00:14:01,059 Speaker 2: we know you're talking about correct, 430 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,490 Speaker 2: You may not be having problems, it's fine, right? It's 431 00:14:04,490 --> 00:14:05,709 Speaker 2: just a lot 432 00:14:05,710 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 1: of work correct 433 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 2: to keep up the entire romance correct 434 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:12,270 Speaker 1: and responsibilities 435 00:14:12,270 --> 00:14:16,860 Speaker 2: as well, right? Maybe it doesn't help that I'm so 436 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: after like 437 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:19,750 Speaker 2: moments like it's 438 00:14:19,750 --> 00:14:24,090 Speaker 1: so important to me that everybody is present that everybody lives. 439 00:14:24,090 --> 00:14:25,790 Speaker 1: Like it's their last day. I don't 440 00:14:25,790 --> 00:14:26,770 Speaker 2: know if it's crazy LA 441 00:14:26,770 --> 00:14:29,970 Speaker 1: but I guess for other people it's a little bit 442 00:14:29,970 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: like it doesn't have to be like 443 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 2: that every day when you can just be like do 444 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 2: normal stuff every day, you know? 445 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 2: But it's so important to me that life is being 446 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:38,650 Speaker 2: lived that way. So 447 00:14:38,650 --> 00:14:39,510 Speaker 1: sometimes it's 448 00:14:39,510 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 2: like 449 00:14:40,940 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 2: a battle. 450 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:42,810 Speaker 1: I understand it's a, 451 00:14:42,810 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 2: it's a sort of like alignment la correct. Actually. This 452 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,890 Speaker 2: brings me to my next question zura how did you 453 00:14:48,890 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 2: know that your 454 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:53,710 Speaker 1: decision to marry your husband was a 455 00:14:53,710 --> 00:14:54,729 Speaker 2: rational decision 456 00:14:54,730 --> 00:14:56,550 Speaker 1: Rather than a foolish one. I tell you, you will 457 00:14:56,550 --> 00:14:57,550 Speaker 1: never know one 458 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: actually. That's true. There's nothing. I think people always say like, 459 00:15:02,370 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 2: oh, at the end of the day, love is not enough, right? 460 00:15:05,170 --> 00:15:07,820 Speaker 2: Like it's a choice for you to choose that person 461 00:15:07,820 --> 00:15:10,390 Speaker 2: every day. It's a choice. So that's a conscious decision. 462 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:11,330 Speaker 1: And I think that same 463 00:15:11,330 --> 00:15:14,870 Speaker 2: conscious decision has to be made when you're getting married. 464 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,930 Speaker 2: Whatever your values are at that time, 465 00:15:16,930 --> 00:15:17,250 Speaker 1: you know, 466 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:17,820 Speaker 1: let's 467 00:15:17,820 --> 00:15:20,110 Speaker 2: say at that time you don't care about anything else. 468 00:15:20,110 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 2: You just care about that person staring at you all 469 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,180 Speaker 2: damn day and he does that for you. Okay, Not 470 00:15:24,180 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 2: good for you all. But maybe for someone else, 471 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: like we may not 472 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,130 Speaker 2: be the most in love or the most compatible, but 473 00:15:30,130 --> 00:15:33,130 Speaker 2: this person gives me security emotionally 474 00:15:33,140 --> 00:15:34,460 Speaker 1: and in every other 475 00:15:34,460 --> 00:15:37,910 Speaker 2: aspect. And maybe that's what you want out of a marriage, 476 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,710 Speaker 2: then that's for you. But can I bring up this 477 00:15:40,710 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 2: point from some psychologists? 478 00:15:43,140 --> 00:15:44,250 Speaker 2: So what they say 479 00:15:44,250 --> 00:15:48,030 Speaker 1: is that fear based decisions create hollow victories at best 480 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:48,670 Speaker 1: and regrets 481 00:15:48,670 --> 00:15:50,770 Speaker 2: at work. So what that means is 482 00:15:50,780 --> 00:15:52,050 Speaker 1: getting married, let's 483 00:15:52,050 --> 00:15:54,650 Speaker 2: say because you want your husband to 484 00:15:54,660 --> 00:15:55,630 Speaker 1: be financially stable 485 00:15:55,630 --> 00:15:57,570 Speaker 2: for you rather than you get married for 486 00:15:57,570 --> 00:16:00,310 Speaker 1: love. For example, then that is going in the wrong 487 00:16:00,310 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 2: direction. It will cause 488 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: regret. It will cause problems down the road. But if 489 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:05,250 Speaker 1: you get married because 490 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:06,550 Speaker 1: I love you 491 00:16:07,140 --> 00:16:09,510 Speaker 1: for example, then perhaps that creates more 492 00:16:09,510 --> 00:16:10,630 Speaker 2: fulfillment in 493 00:16:10,630 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: your life. I think that's absolutely true. Like looking at jimmy, 494 00:16:13,890 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: you enter this relationship because you love your partner and 495 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:18,140 Speaker 1: I can see how 496 00:16:18,140 --> 00:16:19,380 Speaker 2: that fulfills you 497 00:16:19,390 --> 00:16:20,540 Speaker 1: every time 498 00:16:20,550 --> 00:16:21,740 Speaker 2: I read the Kapok 499 00:16:21,740 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: barbecue together, 500 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 2: wow, okay, barbecue, 501 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,530 Speaker 2: it's cold. And I can see like the way Asif 502 00:16:31,530 --> 00:16:35,810 Speaker 2: treats you with respect with love, you know, we know 503 00:16:35,810 --> 00:16:37,030 Speaker 2: that you've found yourself a good man 504 00:16:37,030 --> 00:16:37,980 Speaker 1: and you don't feel 505 00:16:37,980 --> 00:16:40,830 Speaker 2: regret. Okay, so zooming out 506 00:16:40,830 --> 00:16:41,770 Speaker 1: from the relationship 507 00:16:41,770 --> 00:16:44,410 Speaker 2: side of things too. Like maybe some problems that our 508 00:16:44,410 --> 00:16:44,850 Speaker 2: listeners 509 00:16:44,850 --> 00:16:45,500 Speaker 1: may face 510 00:16:45,510 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 2: career. 511 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:48,750 Speaker 2: When do you know whether it's a leap 512 00:16:48,750 --> 00:16:49,750 Speaker 1: of faith or when 513 00:16:49,750 --> 00:16:50,510 Speaker 2: do you know whether it's a 514 00:16:50,510 --> 00:16:51,790 Speaker 1: foolish decision 515 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:53,370 Speaker 2: at the end of the day? The rule 516 00:16:53,370 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: is what makes you 517 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 2: happy if you are really 518 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:57,090 Speaker 1: miserable at your job, 519 00:16:57,100 --> 00:16:58,210 Speaker 2: If the environment is not 520 00:16:58,210 --> 00:16:59,650 Speaker 1: serving you and you are 521 00:16:59,660 --> 00:17:00,780 Speaker 2: maybe getting verbally 522 00:17:00,780 --> 00:17:02,300 Speaker 1: abused by your 523 00:17:02,300 --> 00:17:04,610 Speaker 2: superiors, then you should know that there's a better deal 524 00:17:04,609 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 2: for you elsewhere. Right? 525 00:17:05,850 --> 00:17:07,290 Speaker 1: Right. But of course it's 526 00:17:07,290 --> 00:17:08,880 Speaker 2: difficult to say, hey, is 527 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 1: this the right time to make a switch? What if 528 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:10,980 Speaker 1: I switch ready? Then 529 00:17:10,980 --> 00:17:12,179 Speaker 2: this industry starts booming. 530 00:17:12,190 --> 00:17:15,290 Speaker 1: You never know exactly. I have many friends amid the pandemic. 531 00:17:15,290 --> 00:17:15,460 Speaker 1: They're 532 00:17:15,470 --> 00:17:16,810 Speaker 2: our age, 533 00:17:16,820 --> 00:17:19,730 Speaker 1: so they are more willing to take change to make changes. 534 00:17:19,740 --> 00:17:20,540 Speaker 1: Um they want 535 00:17:20,540 --> 00:17:21,340 Speaker 2: to leave their jobs, 536 00:17:21,340 --> 00:17:24,490 Speaker 1: which have been serving them well, like the pay is great. 537 00:17:24,490 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: You know, um the colleagues are so 538 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:27,690 Speaker 2: so like not like B. F. F. 539 00:17:27,700 --> 00:17:28,660 Speaker 1: But okay, 540 00:17:28,670 --> 00:17:30,050 Speaker 2: they're not nasty people. 541 00:17:30,140 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 2: Um but they still find the need to like change 542 00:17:33,010 --> 00:17:33,859 Speaker 1: and that's when they ask 543 00:17:33,859 --> 00:17:34,459 Speaker 2: themselves, 544 00:17:34,740 --> 00:17:37,659 Speaker 2: am I being stupid? My career is serving me just 545 00:17:37,660 --> 00:17:41,690 Speaker 1: right ingredients, but why do I still want to make 546 00:17:41,690 --> 00:17:44,630 Speaker 1: the switch to somewhere that maybe offers me a higher pay? 547 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,510 Speaker 1: But that's the answer to a higher pay. But can 548 00:17:47,510 --> 00:17:50,670 Speaker 1: they can that new job guarantee you happiness? So that's 549 00:17:50,670 --> 00:17:53,050 Speaker 1: their that's their concern. You know, whether it's a leap 550 00:17:53,050 --> 00:17:55,670 Speaker 1: of faith or is it something foolish, it's a risk. 551 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: You roll the dice 552 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,649 Speaker 1: right? If you want to treat for more money, but 553 00:17:59,650 --> 00:18:02,030 Speaker 1: then you end up having to work longer hours, then 554 00:18:02,030 --> 00:18:05,389 Speaker 1: there is a, you know that's a fair situation correct. 555 00:18:05,390 --> 00:18:08,180 Speaker 1: Some people, they knowingly know that 556 00:18:08,180 --> 00:18:09,470 Speaker 2: the new job pays 557 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,460 Speaker 1: a lot more but comes with a whole ton of shit, 558 00:18:12,540 --> 00:18:14,659 Speaker 1: but in their mind right there like okay, I'm going 559 00:18:14,660 --> 00:18:16,100 Speaker 1: to suck it up for two years, I go to 560 00:18:16,100 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: collect 561 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:17,790 Speaker 2: money after that I find a better 562 00:18:17,790 --> 00:18:20,530 Speaker 1: environment and put it in my portfolio, right? So some 563 00:18:20,530 --> 00:18:21,300 Speaker 2: people do that as 564 00:18:21,300 --> 00:18:23,270 Speaker 1: well. Well then this is what your mom will say 565 00:18:23,340 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: kids these days are hot pop 566 00:18:25,530 --> 00:18:26,070 Speaker 2: correct? 567 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:30,650 Speaker 1: Well then have you guys ever found yourself like stagnant 568 00:18:30,650 --> 00:18:32,850 Speaker 1: in a career? It can be your current jobs or 569 00:18:32,850 --> 00:18:35,020 Speaker 1: like jobs that you have been in and not 570 00:18:35,020 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 2: knowing how to progress, 571 00:18:36,250 --> 00:18:40,210 Speaker 1: definitely. I think this happened during the pandemic because everyone 572 00:18:40,210 --> 00:18:41,060 Speaker 2: was at home 573 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: and you kind of didn't have any social activities to 574 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:45,770 Speaker 1: kind of grow in that sense, right? 575 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,219 Speaker 1: So I remember for like maybe three months there, I 576 00:18:49,220 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: would just go to my radio job, come home, sit 577 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: on the sofa and play Nintendo switch for like at 578 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: least 10 hours before at least an hour animal crossing. 579 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:57,780 Speaker 1: I was them obsessed 580 00:18:57,780 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 2: with the game by the end of the three months. 581 00:18:59,730 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 2: I was like what the hell am I 582 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:02,869 Speaker 1: doing with my life? 583 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,170 Speaker 2: My brain is much, I don't know what is going 584 00:19:05,170 --> 00:19:05,310 Speaker 2: on 585 00:19:05,310 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 1: next. I don't know where my direction, 586 00:19:06,890 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 2: but at least it was a good like three months break. 587 00:19:09,170 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 2: It was a good break but it also felt 588 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:12,990 Speaker 2: it gave me a bit of 589 00:19:12,990 --> 00:19:14,100 Speaker 1: anxiety as well right? 590 00:19:14,109 --> 00:19:16,150 Speaker 2: But kudos to you for stepping off that. I think 591 00:19:16,150 --> 00:19:18,350 Speaker 2: it helps that what we do 592 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,270 Speaker 1: is not like stagnant every day like today is very 593 00:19:22,270 --> 00:19:24,729 Speaker 1: you know, so I think that helps. But imagine if 594 00:19:24,730 --> 00:19:27,730 Speaker 1: you did data entry every day, I would diet. No, 595 00:19:27,730 --> 00:19:28,859 Speaker 1: I will honestly die. 596 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,780 Speaker 1: So which is why like the majority of people who 597 00:19:31,780 --> 00:19:34,050 Speaker 1: go to the office every day, sit there for eight hours. 598 00:19:34,140 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 2: Like I 599 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:36,260 Speaker 1: respect you 600 00:19:36,270 --> 00:19:37,210 Speaker 2: because I will 601 00:19:37,210 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: Not be able to sit there for 80 minutes. But 602 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,410 Speaker 1: I think there's a job for everyone out there, like 603 00:19:43,410 --> 00:19:43,610 Speaker 1: not 604 00:19:43,619 --> 00:19:44,550 Speaker 2: everyone wants to 605 00:19:44,550 --> 00:19:48,270 Speaker 1: do our job, not like we can perform everyone else's jobs, 606 00:19:48,270 --> 00:19:49,379 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Some people 607 00:19:49,380 --> 00:19:50,500 Speaker 1: feel like they find 608 00:19:50,500 --> 00:19:51,300 Speaker 2: happiness in 609 00:19:51,310 --> 00:19:53,710 Speaker 1: entering data, They take pride in their work and I 610 00:19:53,710 --> 00:19:54,340 Speaker 1: really respect 611 00:19:54,340 --> 00:19:54,770 Speaker 2: that 612 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,369 Speaker 2: Actually. I might enjoy that 613 00:19:56,380 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: entering data. I'm sorry everybody, you got to see her 614 00:19:58,890 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: google sheets. I love the spreadsheets and the typing and 615 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:03,460 Speaker 1: all that fun. 616 00:20:03,470 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 2: Okay, I'll consider 617 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:09,140 Speaker 1: carrying cannot. I think, you know, if everybody around you 618 00:20:09,140 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: is so focused on maybe a vertical 619 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,110 Speaker 2: climb on 620 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,350 Speaker 1: the next step on doing something more 621 00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 2: than they're already doing 622 00:20:16,490 --> 00:20:18,310 Speaker 1: and if that if that does 623 00:20:18,310 --> 00:20:19,530 Speaker 2: not interest you, 624 00:20:19,540 --> 00:20:22,619 Speaker 1: I think that's okay because like who said that growth 625 00:20:22,619 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: has to be vertical. It could be lateral. 626 00:20:24,810 --> 00:20:25,540 Speaker 2: Yeah. I've known of 627 00:20:25,540 --> 00:20:26,700 Speaker 1: people who 628 00:20:26,700 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 2: took pay cuts to go to a different 629 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,649 Speaker 1: job just for a new environment amidst the pandemic right 630 00:20:31,650 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: before the pandemic and they're happier. Well so they are happier. Yes. 631 00:20:35,530 --> 00:20:35,830 Speaker 1: Did they 632 00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:36,730 Speaker 2: feel like they're like 633 00:20:36,890 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: the pandemic? My pace? You know I mean it's good 634 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: when you're locked in with a new job at least 635 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: and you don't you don't at least get retrenched or 636 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:43,859 Speaker 1: anything 637 00:20:43,869 --> 00:20:44,790 Speaker 2: positivity. 638 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,330 Speaker 1: What about you hazy? What was your route in life 639 00:20:48,340 --> 00:20:50,450 Speaker 1: every day? I feel like I'm afraid I'm getting stagnant. 640 00:20:50,460 --> 00:20:53,619 Speaker 1: Like I'm always thinking how can I create more content? 641 00:20:53,619 --> 00:20:54,270 Speaker 1: How can I 642 00:20:54,340 --> 00:20:57,610 Speaker 1: reach out to more people? More followers know it really 643 00:20:57,619 --> 00:20:59,050 Speaker 1: will be what I'm thinking about every 644 00:20:59,140 --> 00:21:02,360 Speaker 1: every night before I sleep. So to me this is 645 00:21:02,369 --> 00:21:02,910 Speaker 1: me not 646 00:21:02,910 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 2: knowing how to 647 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,179 Speaker 1: progress in my career. Like how can I make it 648 00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:10,730 Speaker 1: up there. I still don't have an answer actually. Unfortunately, 649 00:21:10,740 --> 00:21:13,770 Speaker 1: I think sometimes hazy also a bit too hard on yourself. 650 00:21:13,780 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: You need to 651 00:21:14,940 --> 00:21:18,210 Speaker 1: be grateful and appreciate everything that you have done. Take 652 00:21:18,210 --> 00:21:19,990 Speaker 1: a step back and really thank 653 00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 2: yourself. 654 00:21:21,130 --> 00:21:24,050 Speaker 1: Yeah, which is why I'm going in the crew soon. 655 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:25,190 Speaker 1: Thank 656 00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:26,070 Speaker 2: myself. 657 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,420 Speaker 1: You deserve it. Okay, but how can we then 658 00:21:29,420 --> 00:21:30,230 Speaker 2: get out of this 659 00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:33,420 Speaker 1: stagnant situation or this rut and challenge ourselves to try 660 00:21:33,420 --> 00:21:34,050 Speaker 1: new things? 661 00:21:34,140 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: Well, I feel like um this is why New Year 662 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,340 Speaker 1: resolutions are in place. I think my New Year's resolution 663 00:21:41,340 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 1: is very seriously, actually, I have a diary. Don't laugh 664 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,239 Speaker 1: at me. I have a like a physical diarrhea. 665 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:48,310 Speaker 2: Then every year, 666 00:21:48,310 --> 00:21:49,460 Speaker 1: the first page right out, right 667 00:21:50,140 --> 00:21:50,590 Speaker 1: 20 668 00:21:50,590 --> 00:21:52,350 Speaker 2: 22, New Year's Resolution, I 669 00:21:52,350 --> 00:21:55,900 Speaker 1: always have 3123 and then I will check back maybe 670 00:21:55,900 --> 00:21:59,260 Speaker 1: every quarter to see if I'm inching closer to my 671 00:21:59,260 --> 00:21:59,460 Speaker 1: New 672 00:21:59,460 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 2: Year's resolution. 673 00:22:00,330 --> 00:22:05,100 Speaker 1: She is living a wholesome life, everybody. She's very organized 674 00:22:05,100 --> 00:22:07,170 Speaker 1: and has her stuff together. 675 00:22:07,340 --> 00:22:09,909 Speaker 1: I hope the resolution, but well, 676 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,719 Speaker 2: that's what I'm suggesting. Like for our listeners, if you 677 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:13,910 Speaker 1: don't have the habit of setting 678 00:22:13,910 --> 00:22:14,770 Speaker 2: resolutions, 679 00:22:14,940 --> 00:22:17,210 Speaker 2: maybe you can start doing that because I feel like 680 00:22:17,210 --> 00:22:17,699 Speaker 2: it helps 681 00:22:17,700 --> 00:22:18,780 Speaker 1: you to be more 682 00:22:18,780 --> 00:22:20,540 Speaker 2: positive that short term 683 00:22:20,540 --> 00:22:21,609 Speaker 1: and long term goals. 684 00:22:21,619 --> 00:22:23,010 Speaker 2: Exactly, you have 300 685 00:22:23,010 --> 00:22:24,100 Speaker 1: and 65 days, every 686 00:22:24,100 --> 00:22:26,010 Speaker 2: day is a short term progress. But at the end 687 00:22:26,010 --> 00:22:26,219 Speaker 2: of the 688 00:22:26,220 --> 00:22:27,630 Speaker 1: year it's actually 689 00:22:27,630 --> 00:22:28,650 Speaker 2: a long term thing. You have 690 00:22:28,660 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: moved forward, moved ahead so much. But of course put 691 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:32,370 Speaker 1: some thought 692 00:22:32,369 --> 00:22:33,290 Speaker 2: into your resolutions 693 00:22:33,290 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: first before you write them down. 694 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,010 Speaker 1: Absolutely. That's my that's my way of getting out of 695 00:22:37,010 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: a rut. Artsy. So last year for a few years 696 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:41,310 Speaker 1: before this my one 697 00:22:41,310 --> 00:22:42,290 Speaker 2: of my resolutions was 698 00:22:42,290 --> 00:22:43,500 Speaker 1: to not be late anymore. 699 00:22:43,510 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 2: I used to be late for 700 00:22:44,690 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: everything and I 701 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:51,260 Speaker 2: used to be that used to be, wow, 702 00:22:51,340 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 2: I just didn't like the feeling of like being late 703 00:22:54,010 --> 00:22:56,929 Speaker 2: and the anxious feeling on the car just wanting to 704 00:22:56,930 --> 00:22:57,550 Speaker 2: get there but 705 00:22:57,550 --> 00:22:58,530 Speaker 1: the traffic cannot be any 706 00:22:58,530 --> 00:22:59,170 Speaker 2: faster. 707 00:22:59,340 --> 00:23:00,149 Speaker 2: I'm trying to change 708 00:23:00,150 --> 00:23:01,500 Speaker 1: things to make myself feel better. 709 00:23:01,510 --> 00:23:03,389 Speaker 2: But what about you girls? What will you do to 710 00:23:03,390 --> 00:23:03,580 Speaker 2: get 711 00:23:03,580 --> 00:23:04,710 Speaker 1: out of a rut? Okay 712 00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:06,910 Speaker 2: so for me I think I'm a creative 713 00:23:06,910 --> 00:23:07,619 Speaker 1: person right? So 714 00:23:07,619 --> 00:23:08,770 Speaker 2: creative stimulation is very 715 00:23:08,770 --> 00:23:09,820 Speaker 1: important for me, right? 716 00:23:09,820 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 2: So apart from like trying 717 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:12,670 Speaker 1: new things like if I have a job 718 00:23:12,670 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 2: coming that I've never done 719 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,140 Speaker 1: before, like a chinese 720 00:23:15,140 --> 00:23:16,010 Speaker 2: language, something for 721 00:23:16,010 --> 00:23:17,150 Speaker 1: example, I would go 722 00:23:17,150 --> 00:23:20,010 Speaker 2: for it. You know there's something in the bag that 723 00:23:20,010 --> 00:23:21,860 Speaker 2: we expect that 724 00:23:21,940 --> 00:23:25,830 Speaker 2: jermaine is speaking in chinese anyhow. 725 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: One 726 00:23:32,830 --> 00:23:38,050 Speaker 2: like a D. D. T. P. Seven wow. But so 727 00:23:38,050 --> 00:23:40,490 Speaker 2: so things like that, even though it it scares me 728 00:23:40,490 --> 00:23:41,770 Speaker 2: so much right? But I'll just do it 729 00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: right? And then 730 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,330 Speaker 2: also there's so many different activities these days like rock 731 00:23:45,330 --> 00:23:46,490 Speaker 1: tough thing. I've tried that 732 00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 2: I'm going to go for a pottery 733 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:48,270 Speaker 1: class soon. 734 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,659 Speaker 2: I just like to try different things and get my 735 00:23:50,660 --> 00:23:54,179 Speaker 2: hands on different things. No wonder she's not enough sleep. Oh, 736 00:23:54,190 --> 00:23:54,850 Speaker 2: but 737 00:23:54,850 --> 00:23:56,650 Speaker 1: I have a nice rug. That's the point. That's 738 00:23:56,650 --> 00:23:58,780 Speaker 2: true. That's true. Tufted it with my own two hands 739 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 2: come ready already in my toilet. You always step on it. 740 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,730 Speaker 2: So that's how I get 741 00:24:03,740 --> 00:24:04,850 Speaker 1: out of a run by 742 00:24:04,859 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 2: really challenging myself to 743 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,250 Speaker 1: do it by turning into a rug. 744 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,899 Speaker 1: I'm not getting out of your rut by turning it 745 00:24:11,900 --> 00:24:13,920 Speaker 1: into a drug. That's the title of this 746 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:14,659 Speaker 2: episode. Then 747 00:24:14,670 --> 00:24:18,460 Speaker 1: she's talented genius. Honestly. 748 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: Um, usually it's, you know, talking to somebody I trust. 749 00:24:22,609 --> 00:24:25,469 Speaker 1: Um for me, I think I seek a lot of 750 00:24:25,470 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 1: comfort in the 751 00:24:26,290 --> 00:24:27,460 Speaker 2: arts. Like she mentioned, 752 00:24:27,460 --> 00:24:29,889 Speaker 1: you know, and um, she has pain 753 00:24:29,890 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 2: on her legs right 754 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:32,270 Speaker 1: now. On her pants. 755 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:32,790 Speaker 2: Mm 756 00:24:32,790 --> 00:24:34,700 Speaker 1: hmm. I might add more. Stay 757 00:24:34,700 --> 00:24:35,290 Speaker 2: tuned. 758 00:24:35,300 --> 00:24:39,730 Speaker 1: But music for me is very, very important. 759 00:24:39,740 --> 00:24:42,469 Speaker 2: And sometimes I feel like I am in a rut 760 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 2: when I stopped getting inspired by music. Like I need 761 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,740 Speaker 2: to find music that inspires me like often and sometimes 762 00:24:48,740 --> 00:24:49,340 Speaker 2: when you're going through, 763 00:24:49,340 --> 00:24:53,129 Speaker 1: right, right. And nothing inspires you not even like music. 764 00:24:53,140 --> 00:24:53,830 Speaker 1: That's when I'm like, 765 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,900 Speaker 2: I need to find something. Yes. So it could be 766 00:24:56,900 --> 00:25:01,390 Speaker 2: a movie most likely a book. Yeah. I need like 767 00:25:01,390 --> 00:25:04,970 Speaker 2: mental stimulation. It's like inspiration, correct. 768 00:25:04,980 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: Okay, 769 00:25:05,490 --> 00:25:07,980 Speaker 2: so to our listeners, do we believe that being in 770 00:25:07,980 --> 00:25:08,630 Speaker 2: this pandemic 771 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:09,530 Speaker 1: allows us to take 772 00:25:09,540 --> 00:25:13,949 Speaker 2: risks and try something new or should we be more conserved? 773 00:25:14,140 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: Exactly because we are in 774 00:25:15,810 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: a pandemic, but 775 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,310 Speaker 2: I think we are coming out 776 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:19,410 Speaker 1: of the pandemic. Like let's 777 00:25:19,410 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 2: say if at the start you were afraid to leave 778 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,169 Speaker 2: your job because you didn't think you would 779 00:25:23,170 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: find anything else. I feel 780 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,910 Speaker 2: like now is the time to because things are opening 781 00:25:27,910 --> 00:25:31,389 Speaker 2: up and a lot of people are moving around so 782 00:25:31,390 --> 00:25:32,830 Speaker 2: there's something for you out there. 783 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:33,940 Speaker 1: I think maybe there are 784 00:25:33,940 --> 00:25:36,369 Speaker 2: those who feel like all the more I need to 785 00:25:36,380 --> 00:25:37,450 Speaker 2: keep my job 786 00:25:37,540 --> 00:25:39,710 Speaker 2: because that already happened. I already 787 00:25:39,710 --> 00:25:40,959 Speaker 1: saw maybe people around 788 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,270 Speaker 2: me losing their jobs. So all the more, even if 789 00:25:44,270 --> 00:25:47,170 Speaker 2: they had a desire maybe to move, they would feel 790 00:25:47,170 --> 00:25:50,210 Speaker 2: like it's very risky land. Like you know, a 791 00:25:50,210 --> 00:25:51,020 Speaker 1: pandemic hit us 792 00:25:51,030 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 2: out of nowhere. So that 793 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:53,810 Speaker 1: might hold them back right 794 00:25:53,810 --> 00:25:56,260 Speaker 2: now. But I think there's another camp like 795 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,460 Speaker 2: there's nothing to lose, right? And you know with like 796 00:25:59,460 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 2: the digital space growing 797 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,669 Speaker 1: people are actually leaving their jobs for jobs that they 798 00:26:04,670 --> 00:26:06,570 Speaker 1: don't know how to explain to their parents, 799 00:26:06,580 --> 00:26:10,500 Speaker 2: but they are taking that leap of faith anyway. And 800 00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:11,959 Speaker 2: I believe that you know, 801 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,630 Speaker 2: even if you're scared maybe why not try to go 802 00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:14,790 Speaker 2: for 803 00:26:14,790 --> 00:26:16,060 Speaker 1: interviews first when 804 00:26:16,060 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 2: you have landed a job, you know for sure, then 805 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:19,780 Speaker 2: maybe summit 806 00:26:19,780 --> 00:26:20,940 Speaker 1: your letter of resignation 807 00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:24,150 Speaker 2: to your current boss. Maybe that would be a better 808 00:26:24,150 --> 00:26:27,290 Speaker 2: way for you to cope with your emotions. But still 809 00:26:27,300 --> 00:26:28,930 Speaker 2: let you try new things. That's 810 00:26:28,930 --> 00:26:29,850 Speaker 1: what I think at 811 00:26:29,850 --> 00:26:32,350 Speaker 2: the end of the day, if you're seeking something, the 812 00:26:32,350 --> 00:26:32,629 Speaker 2: fact 813 00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:33,869 Speaker 1: that you want change, 814 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 2: you need to come to 815 00:26:34,690 --> 00:26:35,950 Speaker 1: terms with yourself 816 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,610 Speaker 2: that I will take responsibility for this decision and that 817 00:26:40,609 --> 00:26:43,620 Speaker 2: it's on me, it's accountability, right? And you must not 818 00:26:43,630 --> 00:26:45,700 Speaker 2: be hard on yourself. So if it doesn't work out, 819 00:26:45,710 --> 00:26:48,459 Speaker 2: it's okay. There's something else. It was your choice, correct? 820 00:26:48,460 --> 00:26:50,210 Speaker 2: It was your choice. At least I tried it. It 821 00:26:50,210 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 2: was shipped, find find something else. Don't look at it 822 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 2: in such a way that I shouldn't have done it. 823 00:26:55,970 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 2: Like I regret 824 00:26:57,540 --> 00:26:58,350 Speaker 2: like, because 825 00:26:58,359 --> 00:26:59,030 Speaker 1: if you didn't take 826 00:26:59,030 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 2: that step right, I feel like at the end of 827 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:01,770 Speaker 2: the day 828 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: you will regret more. 829 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,070 Speaker 2: Like what if and nobody wants to live like what 830 00:27:05,070 --> 00:27:10,530 Speaker 2: if this is the very final words, very beautiful conclusion? 831 00:27:10,530 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 2: I think we need to say anything 832 00:27:11,859 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 1: like that. 833 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 2: But do you have any final words for listeners go 834 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,210 Speaker 1: out there and take risks? That's what living life is. 835 00:27:18,210 --> 00:27:20,909 Speaker 1: You know, if you're just gonna be comfortable every single 836 00:27:20,910 --> 00:27:21,970 Speaker 2: day, you only have 837 00:27:21,970 --> 00:27:25,190 Speaker 1: one life, right? Use it to the fullest. And yeah, 838 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,300 Speaker 1: like I said, live with no regrets, like she does 839 00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:29,340 Speaker 1: balls 840 00:27:29,340 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 2: of steel, let's go. 841 00:27:30,250 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: I 842 00:27:31,609 --> 00:27:34,100 Speaker 2: also think don't be afraid to try because even if 843 00:27:34,100 --> 00:27:36,090 Speaker 2: you feel who knows one day we might look 844 00:27:36,090 --> 00:27:39,429 Speaker 1: back at our own stories and loving ourselves now, maybe 845 00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:40,250 Speaker 1: the situation may 846 00:27:40,250 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 2: seem a bit um 847 00:27:41,570 --> 00:27:42,330 Speaker 1: dark and 848 00:27:42,330 --> 00:27:44,900 Speaker 2: scary, but trust me, you walk out of it and 849 00:27:44,900 --> 00:27:45,389 Speaker 2: one day it will be 850 00:27:45,390 --> 00:27:46,389 Speaker 1: bright and sunny 851 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,550 Speaker 2: and regardless, just always know you are not alone. Okay. 852 00:27:49,550 --> 00:27:51,619 Speaker 2: We are all experiencing these thoughts 853 00:27:51,619 --> 00:27:52,340 Speaker 1: of self 854 00:27:52,340 --> 00:27:56,820 Speaker 2: doubt, insecurities and uncertainty. You are really not alone. Yeah. 855 00:27:56,830 --> 00:27:59,420 Speaker 2: So with that, thank you for tuning into this episode 856 00:27:59,420 --> 00:28:02,190 Speaker 2: of calamities podcast. 857 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: Make 858 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,750 Speaker 2: sure you follow us on instagram at its clarity dot 859 00:28:04,750 --> 00:28:06,699 Speaker 2: co for more updates on hush and we're 860 00:28:06,700 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: also on Spotify Apple podcast. Me 861 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,100 Speaker 2: listen as well. That's 862 00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:12,430 Speaker 1: right. If you want videos, you want to watch us. 863 00:28:12,430 --> 00:28:14,990 Speaker 1: It's on youtube. 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