S1: The Mutton Sandwich podcast.
S2: All right, welcome to the Mutton Sandwich podcast. This is
S2: where we get to hang out with our famous friends. Yeah,
S2: we catch up. We haven't seen them for a while
S2: and because it's, you know, pandemic time, all the more
S2: you can't see people. Although, although for the first time
S2: in a long time today, we're very proud to say
S2: we have a guest in person. We're not on Zoom. No,
S2: we're not. We actually managed to coax her into the
S2: studio under the false pretext of free food. But yeah, well,
S2: we'll get to that interview. Ms. Jake's.
S1: Hello, guys. Hi guys. Hi guys. Oh, so nice to
S1: see you after so long.
S2: Yeah, he's actually the free food, though. Book coming up later.
S2: I know you love me, but see, that's how close
S2: we are with Jeff because you know, we've been friends
S2: and at one point a dime, colleagues as well. Yeah,
S2: for a while when Jade was on radio. And while
S2: it's been a while, like you said, Are you been?
S1: Wow? It's been a long time man. I mean, that
S1: was in back in the old
S2: campus whole campus as long
S1: as been. Yeah, yeah. Sometimes I don't want to get
S1: caught up with you guys. I would say the most
S1: has happened with you. Well, because I follow your wife
S1: and my one is a dead weight. Vernon is a
S1: dad of two.
S2: Yeah, babies popping up everywhere. But yeah, you wouldn't have
S2: thunk it, right? I mean, on our own.
S1: Yeah, I was quite shocked the first time in and
S1: I was like, Whoa, all right.
S2: Well, I was a rabbit in my past life. So
S2: children keep popping guns to stop producing boys. Incredible by you.
S2: I mean, you know, since since you left really all
S2: those years ago, you you've been keeping up, keeping busy
S2: with yourself, you know, filming a lot of stuff, doing
S2: your own thing as well. Yeah. Tell us a bit
S2: about some of the things that you do right now.
S2: Your social media superstar. Yeah, exactly right.
S1: I mean, I think like radio interestingly, started me on
S1: social media, right? Because our then boss said, You need
S1: to produce YouTube videos. Yeah, I was like, Huh, OK?
S1: I mean, I don't know, be a full crew and like,
S1: someone is going to direct me and I don't.
S2: That's how radio was
S1: coming from TV. I'm like, OK, where's the script? What's
S1: the concept? And then she's like, You just pick your own.
S2: Do it yourself. Yeah, OK. And this was before. Let
S2: me clarify this this this time that Jamie's talking about. Yeah,
S2: there was a time that phones didn't have front facing cameras.
S2: Oh yeah, I was that long ago. Oh yeah,
S1: yeah, I can't remember that.
S2: That was like, I'm just to give you an idea
S2: that was like doing the time of like iPhone four. Right? Yeah,
S2: that was how long ago it was. Yeah. And we
S2: were expected to produce our own videos with what? Yeah.
S2: Who's going to help us? No one. There's no such
S2: thing as a selfie stick back then. No. Why?
S1: But you guys are like veteran deejays, right? For me,
S1: like coming from TV as a rookie deejay. So I
S1: was really getting as a producer, my own radio show
S1: and then YouTube videos. All right. So that was a
S1: new thing. But then the interesting thing is after that,
S1: you started me on this whole like, OK, let's try
S1: doing this video thing. I cringe looking at my earlier videos.
S1: But yeah, you roll with it. And I guess like
S1: in terms of social media, I have London done is
S1: better than perfect. Yeah, right. It's so different from TV,
S1: you know, a lot of things in the background. And
S1: she's always in the foreground. I recently just recorded a video.
S1: My husband is in the background the entire time. The
S1: entire time. OK. I actually screenshot this sucker him and said,
S1: What the hell are you doing there? He was working
S1: because he works from home, right? As I frame the shots,
S1: I should say he was in the background the entire
S1: time he their problems. I was like, Whoa, the entire
S1: video I didn't move. I'm looking for my boss. And
S1: so the point is I still and I'm going to
S1: release it this week, and I've learned over the years
S1: it's OK to release stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. You
S1: would have retaken exactly the entire thing, but it's just
S1: so that's one of the things. And then I in pandemic,
S1: I started going stir crazy at home because I'm like,
S2: Yeah, you have to do this. You always on the move, right?
S1: Yeah, I know. So I started like bouncing from home,
S1: which is like a mini trampoline. Yeah, yeah, that's what
S1: I've done it for years. But then I rent the
S1: one and I got I started doing it from home
S1: and then and I got to thinking, Why don't I
S1: teach this stuff? Because like, there was like the next
S1: level of challenge. So I decided as I spoke to
S1: the bosses, I'm like, Can I teach us? And like, Yeah,
S1: we'll teach all the teachers. And then while I'm also
S1: a bonus instructor
S2: housing great, you know you're very well known to be
S2: a very fierce boy. You, you, you cycle, you run you,
S2: you bounce. What you do in half an hour is
S2: what we do for one year.
S1: I did even like way back when.
S2: Exactly, exactly. I'm going to pull out and Insta story
S2: you posted yesterday. OK, I'm going to read it out
S2: to everyone. OK? All right. Her caption was yesterday's shot.
S2: Sunrise seeking Mike Wright shot. You know, shot or shot.
S2: How shot? Fifty five km. The one time shot, though,
S2: that when I saw it, I'm like, You got to
S2: be sure you
S1: contextualize contextual because previously to me, really would be very long.
S1: But on a road bike, 50 is really quite shot.
S2: OK, OK, here we have our next guest. We want
S2: to short local. So anyway, all to me, me thing,
S2: I walk 50 kilometers a year. No, I doubt it.
S2: She's doing it in one evening. I also shot. Oh,
S2: she's that is the essence of Jade saying, You've always
S2: been very active and all that which which is fantastic.
S2: And not to say that this girl doesn't eat. She
S2: she know she gorgeous on food. She she loves food.
S2: And this is a no. I see you. We had
S2: lunch together. That's great. Keep it elegant, guy. No, no, no, no. Nothing,
S2: nothing elegant. Are you eating? But yeah, you know, which
S2: is amazing because, you know, it really inspires us because,
S2: you know, how can someone be so fit, so active?
S2: But then, you know, enjoy food like that. How do
S2: you balance it out? Like, like
S1: you've got Demi is really enjoying both parts of life, right?
S1: I don't know what I should say this because people
S1: don't eat very healthy, which which is a cool image
S1: to be like,
S2: Yeah, I know I'm healthy, really?
S1: Yeah, OK. The way I see is, love your shot, right?
S1: So you have only one life. So I mix it
S1: in terms of what I like to do and like
S1: cycling all that as my hobbies, my no food. I
S1: don't want to be stuck eating boring crap broccoli. And yeah, like,
S1: I eat what I like to eat. And then it's
S1: just balance, right? Just balance. I mean, I try not
S1: to drink like company that drinks, OK, sugary drinks. Now
S1: that's something I really try not to do. Sure. Otherwise,
S1: everything else I in Nigella,
S2: I'm going back to that Insta story for you. Oh
S2: my God. Five kilometers, right? Because it's a whole thing
S2: where your screenshot your fitness app. She in that short
S2: bike ride yesterday. Yeah, she won two thousand two hundred
S2: and fifty four calories.
S1: I don't know how I do it, by the way.
S2: So even if it's like you, it's close enough. So
S2: I feel fine with the easing on a short bike ride.
S2: Once you two thousand two hundred I have 2000 calories
S2: for breakfast. Now listen, basically, if you don't eat the
S2: way you do, you will disappear. You are literally just
S2: very yummy.
S1: Yeah, I mean, I do joke, I do joke people
S1: that if I eat maybe healthily, I would be really slim.
S2: And you know, then yeah, you might look scary. So yeah, please,
S2: please be the radio. Yeah, let's let's let's let's go
S2: back in time. OK, OK, we love reminiscing here in
S2: the mutton sandwich. Yeah, for sure. So let's go back
S2: in time the first time, I think for and it's
S2: the same that I've heard the name J. Yeah, yeah.
S2: Wasn't missing a whole universe. Oh wow. Would that be accurate?
S2: That's the first time people knew about you and stuff
S2: like that. The first, are you in the limelight?
S1: I think so. I mean, I've models since I was 14.
S1: You know, my like, you're just a phase, right? Nobody
S1: knows who I am.
S2: Yeah, yes. Yes. And who won that? Yeah, you did.
S2: You win? No, I didn't count. Yeah, Carol. That's right.
S2: That's right. Yeah. Also, old, dear friend of ours as
S2: well here in Hong Kong now, the
S1: last I heard from her while she was in Hong Kong.
S1: I don't know if you're there.
S2: Thank you. It's been so long. Yeah, yeah. That was
S2: the first time we ever learn about Jane. Yeah. And
S2: I think a lot of people say as gorgeous as
S2: Carole was, and she wanted blah blah blah. Everybody was
S2: captivated by you. I remember because you were the one
S2: with the with the quirky answers your spunky, spunky like.
S2: And I know here, Mediacorp, everybody is like, OK, that's
S2: a girl
S1: that we want. I don't know if they felt like that.
S1: That is like me on and they had to do it.
S1: My Guinness.
S2: No, I wanted to explain. Explain that like it was
S2: signed for Mediacorp, it was very soon after Miss Universe
S2: she quickly grabbed onto you. Like, what was the process?
S2: Then what were you thinking? If they don't grab on
S2: those you rebounding, giving away
S1: all cycling,
S2: cycling or roller skating? Oh yeah,
S1: it was funny because that was like, you know, leading
S1: up to the pageant was the last I still remember
S1: the last couple of weeks till my graduation from university. Oh, right.
S1: So I had I had to get a job because
S1: my parents are becoming like, your last exam added to
S1: your earnings.
S2: I'm thinking, why?
S1: It's like even if you don't start learning, then you'll
S1: figure it out. We don't giving you any more money, right?
S1: So I like my drops on the week after the
S1: pageant ended.
S2: Wow, what was it?
S1: I was an account exact in a big advertising firm.
S1: It's a job that I want, that I want a
S1: job in an MNC that was to do with advertising
S1: also because I didn't know what I wanted to do
S1: in my life. And I was a business student. I
S1: was everyone's I do finances. I was like, No, no, no.
S1: I was in tons of land in school that career
S1: counsellors tell you to do personally quizzes. And so I
S1: did an internship in PR decided I didn't want to
S1: do that.
S2: Yeah, I mean, same here. You know, 30 years ago,
S2: I decided to go into radio instead of going into banking.
S2: And now, 30 years later, I'm such an idiot. Why
S2: didn't I do that?
S1: Yeah, you know, that was that was what they told
S1: me as I was like, No, I want to like,
S1: be an advertising. So I signed to a fund. But
S1: then after the pageant, like someone from media called and
S1: then they said, Can you come in for an audition?
S1: And I sat down for an audition thinking that, well,
S1: how hard could it be? And they gave me four scripts, right?
S1: And I was like, Yeah, no sweat. The English script,
S1: that was all those things. There was an acting script,
S1: and then they gave me two others. And acting and Benjamin,
S2: I like all of it.
S1: OK, I try my best. The acting one in Mandarin,
S1: I took like an hour to read everything because maybe
S1: I can read, but I don't really understand what I'm saying.
S1: I because remember the words. I recognize the words because
S1: of is, I can't see, as I wrote down, all
S1: the honey being. Then I read it. Don't know what
S1: I'm saying. OK. And the whole thing one was just
S1: too hot. It was like invisible. Very. And I was like,
S1: I just gave up. And then I. So I did
S1: the two English scripts. I did. The one mentioned script,
S1: butchered it. And then the last one, I said, You know,
S1: I just can't do it right. I really I really can't.
S1: And I thought that was it. You know, like, there's
S1: the end because I couldn't get through that, OK? I
S1: went back to work and all that. And then next thing,
S1: like the then hit of the author's management department, asked
S1: to see me for a meeting. And then we talked.
S1: I mean, I met him secretly, right, like 7:00 a.m.
S1: because I said, I start work at 9:00 a.m.. I
S1: just started writing like a fresh grant. So I met
S1: him for seven a.m. my breakfast meeting, and he offered
S1: me a job like basically. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. And
S1: I was really surprised. I was like, My engine sucks.
S1: He's like, Oh, well, then you just called to the
S1: English train. Yeah, right? I imagine along the way. And yeah,
S1: I remember we negotiated the pay and everything. The first meeting.
S1: He really thought this guy a
S2: lot of trouble.
S1: He offered me something. I was like, Well, you know,
S1: I want this amount and I am a fresh grant.
S1: Come on. Like, you got to actually want to ask
S1: for your mind was way more than I was getting advertising. OK,
S1: which was like, Yeah, the way I saw it is
S1: like as long as I'm getting paid more. Yeah, I
S1: have nothing to lose, then
S2: you have a reason.
S1: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I just want to see how far
S1: I would go.
S2: And amazingly, you did both. You did Mandarin and you did.
S2: Oh my gosh.
S1: Well, I don't know if you can call what I
S1: did mention that
S2: I don't know is it? It's what strung together.
S1: I mean, I, I like stumbled through it somehow. I
S1: don't know if you can call it did it, but yeah,
S1: I guess I did.
S2: Yeah, you did. Yeah. And I remember you, you know,
S2: with yo yo yo yo channel your dramas and and
S2: then doing really well on Channel five as well. We
S2: even did a TV show together. We did a TV show. Yeah, yeah. Actually,
S2: we do have some strong interim
S1: one where we we had a camera
S2: there. No, no, he didn't show. Yeah. And we went
S2: outdoors to film this like discover something
S1: people doing kind of x.
S2: Yeah, we didn't do it. Fishing? No fishing. No, no, no, no.
S2: The one around the Lake Shore, right? Right. Fishing, yeah.
S2: Yo yo yo yo yo shing on the hook. Yeah, no.
S1: You guys know
S2: people do confirm it's not really a lousy, catchy name.
S2: Sorry to say no. No, no.
S1: Are you saying this, Justin?
S2: Come on. Not only are we not fit, we are
S2: going to be as the name
S1: of the show. I know we had hidden camera catching
S1: people doing this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, that's called for
S1: the life of me I can't remember. I know that
S1: when you guys offer me and said, Would you like
S1: one video that was like a dream come true for me, really,
S1: because I've always wanted to be in radio, never wanted
S1: to be in TV.
S2: Wow.
S1: I remember asking my bosses then and they were like,
S1: No offense or what? I mean, yeah, it was very rude.
S1: That was literally what they say. And now I
S2: know, and it's funny they say that because and you know,
S2: it's not all wrong for them to say that because
S2: there was a time when people didn't know who or
S2: what radio deejays looked
S1: like, you were just like a name. Yeah, we follow
S2: social media with our social media, with our daily exposure
S2: on TV and posters and bus ads and stuff like that.
S2: You know, no one knew who the people were talking, but,
S2: you know, I guess that was part of the intrigue
S2: of them listening to radio. But then the whole internet
S2: boom came and, you know, everybody was online and it
S2: was a different ballgame altogether. And yeah, that was one
S2: of the reasons why we thought, Hey, having g on
S2: the radio station would be great because I really got
S2: two ugly fellows. So at least one pretty good job
S2: down here, you know, at least we will be. Interestingly,
S2: while they don't look so bad after all, and
S1: that was that was thanks.
S2: No, just be honest. Like, no,
S1: you know, that was like, very exciting for me because
S1: I think I grew up listening to radio. And yeah,
S1: I've always wanted to be on radio. So I was like, Yeah,
S1: and I really pushed my melodies on like, you know,
S1: the asking me, La, can I? And then they actually
S1: finally agreed.
S2: And I remember great times with Jay is such a
S2: nice person to be around, and I have to admit
S2: I've not been listening to you guys for the last
S2: two minutes. Oh, wow. I was googling the name of
S2: our show. Oh, I found it. What catch of the day?
S1: Oh, I never
S2: knew it was official.
S1: I don't know. One Salalah Ladbroke
S2: catch of the day. That's right. That's what I remember
S2: when we were filming the intro on a green screen
S2: green screen, you had to pretend to be hooked like
S2: a fish. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh boy. This was
S2: back in 2012, by the way. So just just to
S2: give everybody a long view on you. So, yeah. You
S2: know what? If you didn't mention it? I've forgotten that
S2: we did that show. I really have. I remember specifically,
S2: you know, being on set. I believe it was hot pop. Yes,
S2: I think it was. That's right. And then. Three of
S2: us were together and we were talking about something, and
S2: then they cracked the joke and we were laughing for
S2: like a half an hour. So, you know, those were
S2: good times and fun times because, you know, off camera,
S2: it's just jokes, jokes, jokes, ha ha ha. We didn't
S2: think a lot of things. Seriously, yeah. And then when
S2: the camera rolled. Most of the time someone would screw
S2: up the script. And that's it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
S2: Laughing for for so long, right?
S1: That was fun. That was really fun.
S2: Those are fun times. What would you say? Sorry, I
S2: know you guys were talking about our on radio. No.
S1: Yeah, because he was all the things I find.
S2: So you giggle. Yeah. What would you say was your
S2: favorite TV project before we go back to radio? Wow. Yeah.
S2: Don't have to say catch of the day. I don't
S2: have to.
S1: Yeah, I was going to say
S2: No, no, no.
S1: Well, actually, I don't know. All right. And he really
S1: don't know. I just a lot of it passed as
S1: a young artist like in a blur, to be really honest,
S1: because time was all like was always so busy and
S1: stuff like that. I remember, like, I like the the
S1: shows where there were there was a human element. I
S1: guess over time I realized I like more than acting.
S2: Yeah, by far.
S1: Yeah, by far. So I like like, I just want
S1: to ask you question, who's also a dear friend now
S1: who was like, very rude to me to this day?
S1: Ray Giudice But we are dear friends and like I remember,
S1: just like being with fellow whores, being able to go
S1: off script, but also meeting people. I mean, young athletes and,
S1: you know, we meet nice people. I don't I can't
S1: remember a single specific one, but I just know that
S1: I like the
S2: element, the interaction,
S1: the interaction and meeting people, interviewing people, meeting new people,
S1: not knowing what to expect every day is a new thing.
S1: Whereas acting is like, Yeah, you don't. Every day is different,
S1: but you kind of know what to expect.
S2: I think you, I think you know you, you feel
S2: like how you feel about acting as well. You're not
S2: being yourself is not natural. Yeah, yeah. I'd rather be myself.
S2: Me too, right? Yeah, me too. I mean, it's almost like,
S2: why am I being somebody else? Yeah. I don't know
S2: what you guys are doing. I'm always pretending not thinking
S2: that this in real life. So yeah, that's not my radio.
S2: So it was really fun having you on board at.
S2: And how so? So, so talk about your first days
S2: in radio, like when you when you finally turned out
S2: among you, said it was a dream come true.
S1: It was. But then I realized I had to control
S1: the panel myself. Just Justin, I remember. I remember. Oh
S1: my gosh, I remember. You told me. Yeah. And then
S1: you were like, All right, it's very easy. You just
S1: press this and this and this and make sure this
S1: is on. And then that one is all right. And
S1: then when you answer the phone call is this is
S1: this you want to skip a song and do this?
S1: And then I was like, what? Sorry, excuse me. Like,
S1: it was very overwhelming. And then and then you and then,
S1: like some of the other deejays told me, like, be careful, right?
S1: Make sure there's no dead airs or like, if there's
S1: a time when is really quite like, just press the
S1: next button, because at least then something will be like, Whoa,
S1: I think I did. I did like once. Thankfully, not
S1: for that
S2: long, but it's OK. Everybody, that's quite scary.
S1: And I think once it went on a bit longer,
S1: I thought it would now is like, Oh, wow. I
S1: think that was the first thing. And the other thing
S1: was like, like I said, like I was used to
S1: having a script, at least a concept. Yeah, yeah. And
S1: then it was like, Oh, what do you want to
S1: do for your show? I'm like,
S2: Huh, I want to make.
S1: I mean, I get to pick what I want to do.
S1: And they were like, Yeah, you get to pick exactly
S1: what you want to do. I was like, Yeah. So
S1: he was liberating, but also really scary. Yeah. You know,
S1: at the same time, it was very new. It was
S1: very new to have to learn all that and then
S1: managed the panels and then. And I remember you tried
S1: to teach me how to edit it in like commercials. Yeah.
S1: I think those ones you very three layers on me,
S1: like struggling for, like the longest time and then you're like,
S1: You know what? I'll just have you finished it? I
S1: I was like taking so long to edit one voice.
S2: This guy was like, I think he wasn't me. He
S2: just needed to use the studio and get the hell
S2: out of the studio. I still do that today. And
S2: I think sometimes what it takes to live like I
S2: do for you. Yeah, I just pretend to be doing
S2: my shit. I'm just not.
S1: And I was like, so thankful that he was OK.
S1: I mean, it's
S2: like, Oh my gosh, no.
S1: The next one I after I did.
S2: Wow. But it was it was fun.
S1: I mean, I really enjoy reading. It's like one of
S1: those things that and I guess even though I felt
S1: it in my gut, even as a young 20, something
S1: knowing that I want to do radio or TV, I
S1: still really like radio. I like the whole medium. I
S1: like the whole everything about it. So yeah, I mean,
S1: that does my my memory of radio.
S2: Cool. Cool, cool. And then when did you officially leave?
S1: This is a funny question. I've never been Aziz in
S1: an interview.
S2: Oh, well, you're welcome. Yeah.
S1: We don't even know how to answer you.
S2: Oh, I you. But what when were you done with
S2: the company and you did your own thing full time?
S1: I think it was like a slow process, like after
S1: I left radio. Yeah. And then it was very like I.
S1: My contract became looser. I signed them all. They still
S1: kind of management projects and stuff about their projects. And
S1: then but I realized like I was getting a gigs
S1: on my own. Hmm. Right. And a lot of because
S1: I was hosting a lot more and. They do a
S1: lot of live events. Yeah. And for some reason, like you,
S1: me to call me, I did live events too. But
S1: it was just like a lot of friends from all
S1: would be calling me for life events. And then I
S1: like the freedom of of just doing it myself. And
S1: then I started doing YouTube. They started producing YouTube. And
S1: then they all got a bit angry because it was like,
S1: So does this belong to, you know, the company or
S1: this is belong to me? Yeah. And then and then
S1: at one point, I remember being very unhappy because there
S1: were projects that I didn't really want to do, but
S1: it was hard to say no to that answer. Yes,
S1: I was like, You know, I'm just going to take
S1: a break and do it my own. And that was
S1: Kerry tool, but it was also very liberating. And then
S1: so I was like, You know what? I'm going to,
S1: I'm going to be in the pool house, guys. I
S1: believe you'll be like, have no work. But it didn't
S1: turn out to be like that, thankfully. So I'm very
S1: thankful to, you know, friends and clans who who gave
S1: me jobs and then saw me through that transition period. Yeah.
S1: And then I realized, like, you know, I really enjoy
S1: doing things on my own. Yeah, yeah. I still love like,
S1: I don't know if I love TV. I still love radio.
S1: I think for TV, like there's a part of me
S1: that likes it, but there's a part of me that
S1: likes the freedom that comes with, you know, calling the shots.
S1: So I know that I feel like I've done both.
S1: I can make better informed decisions
S2: and you've no idea, you know, even though because of
S2: the way you put it, you have no idea how
S2: much bravery it takes to do what you did leave
S2: the company and has regular confidence to do on your
S2: own because you asked me, I can't do it. I
S2: don't have the confidence to say, I'll leave me a call.
S2: I'll do my own thing and you'll be successful. I
S2: don't think so. I don't think I could do that.
S1: I mean, it's scary, but like, Oh yeah, I also
S1: had the support of Sharon at that point because she
S1: was starting on. They say, I don't know if you
S1: remember the yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. So then
S1: I pitched the idea. I was like, Why don't we
S1: do stuff together? And then like somehow. So that gave
S1: me a bit more confidence as well. And I was
S1: like one foot in, one foot out and you know,
S1: it was cool. But the company has always been very kind.
S1: So they still gave me some projects even though I
S1: wasn't signed. Cool. Yeah. So I made the transition to
S1: be less scary.
S2: So there's no bridges. But um,
S1: I like to think that
S2: there's nobody who nobody here who goes like this.
S1: I don't know many that it was like, Oh, can
S1: you please get in touch? Because the other thing about
S1: my personality, which I've been told is a double edged sword,
S1: is I am insensitive. Oh my goodness. No, my mother
S1: says I'm insensitive, so I am brutally honest. But I'm
S1: also a bit insensitive. So if you don't tell me
S1: to my face, am quite often offended by what you
S1: said to me. I may not know is wrong.
S2: I mean, I always thought of you, though I'm just
S2: like you. You're very honest and I like, This is good.
S1: All these while I thought you guys like me by
S1: if all secretly don't know me, I wouldn't know. I
S1: wouldn't know.
S2: We're not honest. Or we wouldn't tell you my honesty.
S1: Honestly, wouldn't know. So, yeah, I don't know. I don't
S1: know if I've unwittingly of anything more along the way,
S1: some of my close friends. But close enough, I remember
S1: this one close friend actually texted me one day. Yeah,
S1: but they are no Ian, Matt, and she's like, I'm
S1: actually quite upset with you and upset by something that
S1: you said. Like what? She said, like you say yesterday
S1: and I had no, no,
S2: oh god, what was
S1: it? I don't know. Somewhere along the line, she said,
S1: I insinuated that she was fat and my friend is
S1: thinner than me. I don't know. Is it possible that
S1: I would have said that she was fat too, I
S1: think is very rude to call people fat?
S2: How is it possible that someone delivered you? Are you
S2: missing the point? Oh, sure.
S1: Truly, I handle Archie's. They know me. So I was like, Babe, sure,
S1: I don't know why he said that. But you think that,
S1: but I didn't mean it. And I mean, I go love,
S1: and I'm so glad you brought it up to me,
S1: because if not, she would have been upset and I'd
S1: be like, Oh, you would never have known. So yeah.
S1: Public announcement, please. If you're unhappy me, you have to
S1: tell me I'm insensitive like that. My mother scold me
S1: about this all the time. I have no idea you'll
S1: find me. You asked me, Do I have any bridges?
S1: But I will say, No, no, no, no.
S2: OK, I don't know what you do. I don't think
S2: you do, because I doubt it. We all know your
S2: name is always mentioned with a laugh, with a laugh
S2: on every year around here, you know, but you've got
S2: an old thing, which is, like I said, a lot
S2: of people would be envious of that. Yeah. Let me
S2: ask you a maybe insensitive question. So get me to
S2: my favorite things. One to know exactly what to say.
S1: I'm very OK.
S2: Thank you, everybody. How do you make money now?
S1: Well, actually that one, right? I tell people there is
S1: the long answer and the short answer to that. And
S1: you're know, it's not an insensitive question, although it is
S1: a slightly tiresome question. When I'm asked, is our party
S1: OK with a drink in hand? Liaises even a nice
S1: to meet.
S2: I'm sorry.
S1: Justin's really like how you make money on all these,
S1: you know, no celebrity. They actually say like and I
S1: I don't get offended.
S2: But I mean, you're no longer a celebrity. Yeah, I mean,
S1: people say that he was saying it to you. I
S1: don't have anybody like they say, and they ask you,
S1: How do you make money? And I don't know how
S1: to explain, right? So you want the long answer, the
S1: short answer,
S2: just as long as you want. This is a podcast, man.
S2: It's it's all your airtime.
S1: OK? The long answer is I feel like the world
S1: has changed. The medium has changed. The mediums have changed.
S1: Right now, it's no longer about just the medium. I
S1: like the thing. It's it's you as the person. And
S1: it's a struggle on my own. I realize it is
S1: me and what I bring to the table in. In
S1: whatever context it is, you're right, so I've also I've reconciled,
S1: this is a hard question to answer. It was because
S1: I use a few very offensive like, you know, I
S1: owe you money what way I want? No question. But
S1: over the years, I'm like, You know, I find it funny. Yeah.
S1: And I was honest and people are curious. So there
S1: are many channels like the very when I do interviews,
S1: people are like, So are you a
S2: YouTube instructor,
S1: the YouTuber? Are you a positive psychology practitioner? You are
S1: a lecturer. You are what? I'm like, you know, for
S1: your purpose, just use whatever you want. Yeah, because it doesn't.
S1: It doesn't matter anymore. Yeah. OK. One is the social media. Yeah,
S1: and that's the most obvious, right? So I guess you
S1: can say there's the content creation part of it. So
S1: I create videos, but increasingly people also pay for like
S1: four opposed. Yeah. Or like I do consultancy work actually
S1: for brands, which I don't really talk about. OK. Right.
S1: So brands come to me and they're like, you know,
S1: they need help with their marketing or their social media.
S1: So I do it back and I have staff who
S1: help me do that. I don't like it. I don't
S1: talk about it. But it was a very natural and
S1: even choose to start this business. Some people came to
S1: me the like as a friend. They ask for help
S1: and then a lot of times I just help. And
S1: then they're like, If you Bella, can I pay you
S1: a bit of money? So you do this for me?
S1: You know, and and so I started doing that for
S1: a few brands selectively. Very cool. Right. So that's the
S1: social media part. And then there's the front end that
S1: you see, which is the content creation part. I took
S1: a course in positive psychology, so I'm a certified positive
S1: psychology practitioner and
S2: I tried everything to say yes, no positive psychology, no money.
S1: Yes, you are coming to my next book. I literally
S1: ran a workshop just a month ago, right? The art
S1: of saying No,
S2: wow, OK.
S1: Yeah, is not everything. Say yes. So I mean, I
S1: go outside to find that because I realized all these years,
S1: I've done all these readings and this book, and it
S1: was to do that. But wow, I just I put
S1: it in the starting line again. I mean, so I
S1: decided to study and and get that done. And then
S1: so I run workshops, right? I do like small group
S1: coaching sessions. I'm not a psychologist. People always ask me,
S1: Are you a psychologist? You want a balance? I'm like, No,
S1: but I can coach you and I do more like
S1: workshop based stuff. So pre-COVID, I had plans to do
S1: a huge like retreats, like a few days. You stay
S1: in shape. And I combine it with the physical aspect
S1: because part of positive psychology is that the physical activity
S1: is very important and you guys know how much I
S1: do of that. So I wanted to marry the tool
S1: and put that together. So that's another, I guess, income stream. Yeah,
S1: you know, and of course, I teach bones. Yeah, but
S1: that one's more like a hobby like to be honest,
S1: because I only teach once a week. Wednesdays, 7pm Hope
S1: to see you guys there. OK. Yeah. I culture studios.
S1: So I don't own the studio. I really I really.
S1: It's just it's
S2: just take a class that I
S1: just take a class and my friends on in the studio,
S1: so I just kind of help them out. Wow. And
S1: I guess the large income stream, which is the one
S1: I'm most excited and most working on in real hard
S1: right now is I'm launching an activewear line. I don't
S1: know if it will be out by the time of
S1: this podcast.
S2: Cool. Perfect. Perfect spokesperson for activewear. I know guy who's
S2: more active there.
S1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I mean, is that are being
S1: more activewear. But then my partners were like, Let's do it.
S1: More athleisure, like a studio to dress up a little bit. Yeah,
S1: but most times I am just in workout clothes on.
S1: Pandemic dressing meant meant my part-time help didn't come in
S1: with nothing on it. You're wearing needs to be out
S1: because they know I'm going to I and that. Yeah.
S1: So we would wear clothes are really good heels, although
S1: it's almost every day and we'll work on and we
S1: then you leave a of.
S2: And anyway, it's all about comfort. Yeah, for sure. For sure.
S1: So we'll go again and let you throw on a
S1: sweater over or whatever. So it's got Juju and it's
S1: coming out in October. So that's like, I guess
S2: it's called what Juja Juju Gel? What does it mean?
S1: It means nothing. It means my partners have names that
S1: also and you know, Jenny's Jade, Julian and me. OK.
S1: And another friend and she's the double e's. We're like,
S1: you know, we just came up, you know, meaning they know,
S1: I'm sure
S2: you mean, yeah, there cannot be a meaning to that.
S1: Like there are two Jews and two jars and one
S1: eye and the Mallette, just call it too,
S2: which are nice. I was about to say, Rahayu, yeah,
S2: you know, we are in the same room. It's called
S2: bitch to be like spokespersons for Georgia. But no, look, no, no, no,
S2: it doesn't.
S1: We have a male line as well as we do.
S2: It can be done before big just, you know, once
S2: you usually become the guy. That's my diagnosis. And I
S2: tell
S1: you one thing that I missed always design. I got
S1: to see because you have kids, this one is really
S1: all my comfort zone. I got to say everything. You're right.
S1: Everything that we've talked about till now, you're pregnant now, OK?
S2: I know. Like, I'm shocked
S1: to hear the shouting, I don't know. Nobody has to
S1: do with kids. OK, so I'm going to push Malaysia
S1: to say, Well, I run a public speaking workshop for kids, mom,
S1: and this is all my comfort zone, right? Public speaking,
S1: something I do. I have run workshops on it for
S1: adults and young adults, but not for kids. It's yeah, yeah.
S1: But I pulled in, you know, old friends who are
S1: experts in the area or teachers and stuff like that and. Yes.
S1: As you read a public speaking workshop for kids, I
S1: call this because of JTA and in does so much
S1: energy on me, can I just see?
S2: Yeah, that's if there's anyone that has more energy than
S2: is children.
S1: Yes. Yes, it was a three day workshop after the
S1: first day. I know I'm such an energetic person. I
S1: came home and I sat on the couch six p.m.
S1: and I just collapsed and I was like, Oh, I
S1: need to lie down.
S2: Welcome to my Saturday. How do you do it?
S1: No. Yes, I really kudos to parents. I'm like, Wow,
S2: no, yeah. You know, it's one of those things that
S2: you just have to do because it's a necessity, because
S2: if you leave them alone, the house will burn down. So,
S2: you know, it is a survival instinct. And then the
S2: end of night, when they go to bed, then you
S2: just fall in good shape and
S1: they are the cutest things. But they have so much
S1: energy was like,
S2: Whoa, oh, so so so no kids for you.
S1: It's not in my current list of plans. I'm not
S1: really a planner, legislators read. None of this stuff that
S1: I've done is like, has been planned, but it's not.
S1: It's not the current like. I need to do this now.
S1: I mean, I like helping kids, so I'm actually going
S1: to run a second sippy cup of zero nine and
S1: which is running going to run skating workshops is that
S1: if I dance and people are like, Can you teach
S1: my kids, you know, like, I'm going to bring in
S1: some friends, OK, sure. And I bring in experts. So
S1: the other thing I learned along the way is when
S1: you can do something as well as someone else. Yeah,
S1: I'll bring in experts who can help me and I
S1: partner them. And then it's good. But yeah, not not
S1: my on the list of my priorities right now. Really?
S2: Right? It's also interesting that learn so many things about it,
S2: and it doesn't seem, gee, we knew all those years ago.
S1: We all have a very different, not different.
S2: As in personality wise, you have the same bubbly character
S2: that we know, but you're just doing so much. OK.
S2: And in the most amazing way possible. Exactly. Well done.
S2: In fact, going back to social media, you have a
S2: show on on air
S1: and you guys are going to be on it,
S2: which we, we we we got to treat it, treat
S2: it right. So what is it called catch of the day?
S1: It's so funny. It's called the catch up catch. You
S1: can't catch up. There is a catch and there is
S1: a
S2: show, so you're on a podcast. This is this will
S2: be a plug for the catch up. We're going to
S2: be on Jade's YouTube as well. Something to look forward
S2: to in the weeks to come. So what we're going
S2: to do that very soon. But one more thing to
S2: do before we wrap up this podcast. All right. We
S2: love doing this with all our guests. So we've been
S2: asking you questions for half an hour now. It's your
S2: turn to ask us back. Now you're going to ask us,
S2: obviously a lot more questions on your show. Yeah, but
S2: but here on the mountain side, which we do require
S2: you to ask us back a question to wrap up,
S2: it can be one of us. You can be both
S2: of us and any question to you. It's up to you.
S2: What can I ask
S1: each of you one question?
S2: Sure. It's your show. You know we do. We make
S2: up the rules as we go along. Yeah.
S1: So, OK, Vernon?
S2: Yes, ma'am. Please ask me to bounce back.
S1: That would be if you got any more plans for
S1: any more kids. No. And what have you
S2: one more know? Does it not? I'm getting a vasectomy,
S2: isn't it? Let's say enough, and you're listening. You first
S2: year on the block. No, we both don't want any
S2: more kids. Yeah, it it. It's a blessing to have kids,
S2: but I think we're at our maximum limit now. Handling
S2: two is is no more than anyone can handle. And
S2: you know what I do. I hate to give the B.S. answer,
S2: but if it happens, it happens. But we're not planning
S2: for any more kids. Oh yeah.
S1: So if he doesn't get the vasectomy, you're NOLA.
S2: Yeah, yeah. If it's not vasectomies comes out, then you know, like, no,
S2: if it's not a vasectomy is a knee to the groin.
S2: So it's basically what happens from here is oopsie, you know? Yeah.
S2: But then you go doing this in a very nice
S2: question in India. The kids are a blessing. Don't get
S2: us wrong. We we love having kids do this cute.
S2: This boy did not say anything, but, but yeah, you know,
S2: I think there's a limit and I'm not getting any
S2: younger as well. So yeah, I
S1: have a friend. I have friends who follow you guys
S1: for your kids. Oh, kids are really, really, you know,
S2: I tell his wife very often, like, there's not enough
S2: post about the kids.
S1: Yeah, is so cute.
S2: That's not enough Insta stories. We want to be that you.
S2: They think bears are both good pictures all the time.
S2: That's only if your kids are ugly. Oh my god,
S2: kids are cute, is he? He's not a bear in
S2: the
S1: up
S2: and say this. Exactly. OK, Justin? Yes. Yes. Oh, I. Know.
S2: I know kids. I never. I never wanted kids.
S1: I already knew that going from all those years, baby,
S1: I think we had this question.
S2: Yeah, we had this conversation years
S1: ago and it was like two kids love one another,
S1: two kids and then two more kids.
S2: I'm making kids for the both of you. So, yeah,
S2: thank you for representing. So making up for what's up
S2: with that.
S1: But do you have any? I don't know a plan
S1: for yourself. Oh yeah. Anything in general, right?
S2: Beyond eating ideal for lunch.
S1: Hey, was you have I did have a lunch.
S2: No, I know. Thank you, bye. No, that's that's a
S2: that's actually a question that our H.R. department asked me
S2: every year during our during our annual review. Like, what
S2: do you want to do just in of anything else
S2: you wanted to know? OK, so so so the honest
S2: truth is this this show that we're doing now at
S2: least one out The Morning Show on Class 5A. It
S2: just takes up so much of your time. So much
S2: of your mental energy. And saying this to you is
S2: pointless because you do like to 200 times more things
S2: that I know.
S1: I know how much goes into our readers
S2: so much that I feel like if I do anything else,
S2: I seem to do with, with with, with radio or whatever. Right?
S2: I'm just I'm going to do a lot of things good.
S2: I will do anything well.
S1: I'll get what I need to learn is focus. So
S1: that's something I also like to say. No. Yeah, I'll
S1: say no. So you kind of focus
S2: it over the years, of course. Do you want to
S2: do this or do that? You ought to handle this.
S2: I'm like, No, because I then I will do too
S2: many things and everything will be done, OK, but nothing
S2: is done really good. So I want to I want
S2: to concentrate on this is the is the biggest morning
S2: show in Singapore. I need to concentrate on it. And
S2: of course, you probably know we run a side business. Yes.
S2: With food as well. Yeah, that's that's about all I
S2: have time for. If you want to learn to say no,
S2: I'll lend you my son you to brush your teeth.
S2: No salad, no going to sleep. No. He is very good.
S2: Very good. So it's unambitious as it sounds. No, I
S2: love the focus. No plans to add on to any more, Noel. Nice. Right, Jane.
S2: Thank you for spending time with us.
S1: Thanks for having me.
S2: I appreciate. Always nice to chat with a friend. Oh yeah.
S2: Reminiscing and all that. I appreciate the catch up. See
S2: the plan that I saw, of course. Catch us on
S2: Jane's show. That's right. Her Instagram and YouTube as well.
S2: How do we find you on YouTube again? What's your
S2: what's a channel name you do?
S1: So the catch up is on monster TV, the online. OK, right?
S1: By the way, is if you just follow me on Instagram,
S1: all the updates will be there anyway.
S2: Fantastic. Very cool. Very cool. Yeah. Thanks for hanging with
S2: us today. Thank you. Thanks for bouncing with us.