WEBVTT - Funskilling – Using SkillsFuture credits not for career advancement

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<v Speaker 1>Now CNA 938 rewind.

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<v Speaker 2>If you could learn any skill, Haiyan, what would it

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<v Speaker 2>be and why? I know you've done your skills future

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<v Speaker 2>bit already, uh, good citizen there.

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<v Speaker 2>What have you, what would you want to do next?

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<v Speaker 2>I want to learn how to cook. I mean, but

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<v Speaker 2>you hate cleaning up. Let it be known on national

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<v Speaker 2>radio that this guy wants to learn how to cook

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<v Speaker 2>but doesn't want to clean up. Exactly right. So which

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<v Speaker 2>is why I want to learn to cook meals, you

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<v Speaker 2>still have to clean up.

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<v Speaker 2>OK, so, so something like a one pot menu of sorts,

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<v Speaker 2>one pot recipe. So that means I just have to

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<v Speaker 2>clean one pot. Yes, actually that's a very good strategy. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>that one pot could also be a one pan. It

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<v Speaker 2>could also be a one rice cooker, rice cooker. So

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<v Speaker 2>that is what I, yeah. What about you?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, I have said this before. I still haven't registered

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<v Speaker 2>for it. I'm going to go learn Mandarin. Um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's basically it. I want to also go and learn

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<v Speaker 2>how to do stand up paddling, but I don't need

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<v Speaker 2>SkillsFuture for that. I do need SkillsFuture for, uh, Mandarin lessons,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, um, check in again in May when I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a bit more free uh to to take that out.

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<v Speaker 2>Well we're we're talking about this because we found out

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<v Speaker 2>that there was someone.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, who has used his skills future credit to do

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<v Speaker 2>something that has absolutely nothing with his job. Basically, he,

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<v Speaker 2>our next guest, he kind of learned how to DJ

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<v Speaker 2>using his credits. So not, not DJ in a sense

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<v Speaker 2>like like us, right? Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Presenters, radio DJs. This is really the turntable scratching and

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<v Speaker 2>producing that is a tough skill. Exactly. So he is

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<v Speaker 2>Imran Jory, marketing director at Big Thunder, and he joins

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<v Speaker 2>us now. Hey, Imran, a very good morning. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for joining us right here on the Morning Report on

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<v Speaker 2>CNA 938.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a notion that SkillsFuture credits can only be

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<v Speaker 2>used for work-related courses. You said you were one of

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<v Speaker 2>those who took a while to finally sign up for

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<v Speaker 2>a course. Talk us through what the deciding factor was

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<v Speaker 2>for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning guys. Thanks for having me on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Um, so essentially I'm one of those Singaporeans who for

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<v Speaker 2>the longest time logged on to my SkillsFuture credit screen

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<v Speaker 2>or dashboard.

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<v Speaker 2>And just goes wow, so much and did absolutely nothing

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<v Speaker 2>and just let it accumulate because um I was of

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<v Speaker 2>the impression of mindset that if I was OK at

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<v Speaker 2>work doing what I did to do, all the skills

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<v Speaker 2>I needed, I would just learn on the job. So

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<v Speaker 2>the SkillsFuture credits didn't really sort of was um an

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<v Speaker 2>applicable avenue for me for as long as I can

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<v Speaker 2>remember and then

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<v Speaker 2>So among other things, I have a lot of ridiculous hobbies.

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<v Speaker 2>I indulge myself in a lot of frivolous things and

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<v Speaker 2>um I'm I'm also a very keen constant learner on

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<v Speaker 2>skill sets that are not necessarily practical. OK. So here's

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<v Speaker 2>the thing, so you said that you felt.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the skills you needed for your work or to

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<v Speaker 2>be better at your work, you'll learn on the job.

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<v Speaker 2>But given how there's this narrative about how to futureproof

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<v Speaker 2>your career, you think that you don't, you won't need

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<v Speaker 2>sort of a professional upgrade in that sense, which is

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<v Speaker 2>what uh some of us received that $4000 extra for. OK,

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<v Speaker 2>what I just said just now does sound a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a I mean I don't mean to call you out.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I'm I'm in the same position too. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I know that the skills that I need for my

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<v Speaker 2>current job, I can just learn on the go, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's always that what if nagging at the

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<v Speaker 2>back of my head, right? There's AI, there's data, there's

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that, right? I mean, should we think about,

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<v Speaker 2>didn't you think about futureproofing your career? We still have

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<v Speaker 2>2030 years to go. I'm being generous there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you're right, you're absolutely right. Here's the thing, right,

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<v Speaker 2>just as a caveat, I've had 150 jobs across 4 industries,

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<v Speaker 2>and I really have kind of restarted my career a

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<v Speaker 2>few times over. I've been in production, I've been in publishing,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been in recruitment, I've been in a VC, I've

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<v Speaker 2>been in a FinTech. I'm right now working with an

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<v Speaker 2>investment platform. I'm selling a finance bro my 50s. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's always so you have pivoted many times. I have

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<v Speaker 2>so many times, right?

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<v Speaker 2>And and to be fair, a lot of the earlier

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<v Speaker 2>career choices I made were purely again out of frivolity

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<v Speaker 2>and fun because I just wanted to do stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed. It's only later on mid-career day like, OK,

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<v Speaker 2>I got to make some cash. I have I have

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<v Speaker 2>a family, I have 3 kids. Oh no, let's go.

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<v Speaker 2>So to me, starting from scratch is almost like a

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<v Speaker 2>second nature. You do what you got to do to

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<v Speaker 2>make ends meet, right? So on top of that, I

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<v Speaker 2>do find a lot of uh I need.

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<v Speaker 2>To expel my creative energy if I could, so that's

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<v Speaker 2>why a lot of other things that I do are

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<v Speaker 2>relatively frivolous, like, you know, running D&amp;D games, uh, upgrading

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<v Speaker 2>arcade systems, collecting 90s. You weren't kidding when you said

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<v Speaker 2>they were really nerdy, super nerdy. I'm a hyper geek, right?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm also really big into music history because I

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<v Speaker 2>have a vinyl record collection that just started because my

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<v Speaker 2>wife bought me a turntable.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I've been looking at music history with my

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<v Speaker 2>daughter who's also very keen on music history, and then

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<v Speaker 2>one day just so happens as we was looking through

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the history of hip hop and I

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<v Speaker 2>was explaining to her the evolution of Kylie Minogue from

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<v Speaker 2>Pop Princess to diva. If we were going through the

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<v Speaker 2>whole process, then I realized, hey, you know what, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of stuff here that I really do want

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<v Speaker 2>to mix together for my own, you know, personal, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I was thinking to myself, hey.

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<v Speaker 2>There's one big mystery that I haven't really looked into

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<v Speaker 2>like how do these professional worldwide touring DJs raise their

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<v Speaker 2>hands dancing and blowing whistles while mixing music sounds almost impossible.

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<v Speaker 2>There's got to be. That's a real workout. There's got

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<v Speaker 2>to be a huge skill set behind that, right? So

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<v Speaker 2>the ever vigilant, ever listening.

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<v Speaker 2>Um, entity in my house that always listens to whenever

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<v Speaker 2>we say something, AKA social media, you say, hey, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I should try learning to be a DJ, but of

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<v Speaker 2>course the next thing I see is my Facebook feed

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<v Speaker 2>filled with ads about how you didn't turn off the mic.

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<v Speaker 2>You did not turn off the mic you switch it

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<v Speaker 2>off or on, you'll always listen.

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<v Speaker 2>Curious, how was the course like then? Did you have

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<v Speaker 2>to attend classes every week, purchase your own equipment? Was

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<v Speaker 2>it online? Yeah, it feels like DJing is such a

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<v Speaker 2>casual skill to learn and then you go for classes,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So how was that like? Guys, not only

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<v Speaker 2>is that classes, but there's an exam just like.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an exam. There's no getting away from it, right?

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<v Speaker 2>Singapore Singapore. I mean skills future credit. It's a government subsidy, right?

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<v Speaker 2>So let's not kid ourselves here. OK, so you obviously

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<v Speaker 2>graduated from DJing. So what do you do with that now?

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<v Speaker 2>Um, just absolute self-gratification at home with my kids playing

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<v Speaker 2>music that I like and then dancing maniacically that's the reward.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true. Do you feel like you kind of miscalculated

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit taking a course that kind of doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>earn you a side hustle money kind of thing? Or

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<v Speaker 2>do you feel like, you know, maybe it has helped

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<v Speaker 2>you in your

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<v Speaker 2>Job, not so much directly, but perhaps you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like soft skills that you learned from it, perhaps. OK,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a tough one, right, because for me, I think

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<v Speaker 2>I do find joy in just learning new things. That

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<v Speaker 2>to me is one of the things that I, the

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<v Speaker 2>reason why I do a lot of frivolous things, I

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<v Speaker 2>do a lot of weird hobbies, niche stuff that nobody

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<v Speaker 2>cares about. I actually love finding out things that are

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<v Speaker 2>really unique and really niche, right? So in this case,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say there could be, and I'm just discovering

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<v Speaker 2>it as I go along, a lot of impact to

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<v Speaker 2>be as a person as I spin the music, as

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<v Speaker 2>I mix the songs, I find a lot of joy

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<v Speaker 2>in it and it helps me decompress after work. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so really on weekends.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I set it up and my wife has generously

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<v Speaker 2>allowed me a space in the home you the thing

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<v Speaker 2>she did she did she generously allowed me the space

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<v Speaker 2>to do it for me, right? So do you think

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<v Speaker 2>that you're gonna, I don't know, explore the possibility of

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<v Speaker 2>Being a DJ on the side, you know, with this

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<v Speaker 2>professional certified skill. OK, to be honest, I wanted, OK,

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<v Speaker 2>after the exam, which was nerve-wracking. I can't believe there's

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<v Speaker 2>an exam, but I think my instructor just barely smiled

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<v Speaker 2>and said, OK, you're competent.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out to my instructor. I love you, Zul. Absolutely fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>But um I think after that, I actually tried to

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<v Speaker 2>do a set at a friend's gathering recently. I'm, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>hearing a sense of apprehension now from start to finish, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>So I tried to make.

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<v Speaker 2>my friend's party, get together, and to my, well, not

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<v Speaker 2>to my surprise, nobody really cared that I was doing it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>but the core people that kind of sat around me

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<v Speaker 2>and asked me what this was, what are you doing,

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<v Speaker 2>what music is this were mostly the teenagers and the kids.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe kids' birthday parties. Is 0. OK, I, I

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<v Speaker 2>have to ask, what about the music wise, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>what is the genre that you are inclined to, I suppose, mix? OK,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm big on hip hop and R&amp;B, but the

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<v Speaker 2>one thing that I challenged myself when I signed up

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<v Speaker 2>for this class, and I said it right at the

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<v Speaker 2>start to my instructor, to everyone in class to my

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<v Speaker 2>own folly, was that I wanted to make 60s.

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<v Speaker 2>Pop with recent 90s hip hop. I wanted to put

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<v Speaker 2>Piram up against and I mix a mesh up Saloma

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<v Speaker 2>and I tried it, it is so hard. So I

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<v Speaker 2>went for a little gathering slash party and the DJ

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<v Speaker 2>did exactly that. I think there is a genre for

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<v Speaker 2>that there is a market for it where they mix uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Oldies and, and we're talking about vernacular oldies like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>P R, Saloma and all that with current hits. For

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<v Speaker 2>those who do, for those listeners who don't know who

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<v Speaker 2>Pli and Saloma are, they are legendary, uh, Malay actors

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<v Speaker 2>and singers from back in the day, from the Shore

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<v Speaker 2>Run Run and run me show era. Um, I have

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<v Speaker 2>to ask you, Imran, about this exam. Uh, what was, what,

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<v Speaker 2>what is a DJ?

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<v Speaker 2>What does the DJ exam entail, please tell us. OK,

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<v Speaker 2>so it was a 2 day full on course and

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<v Speaker 2>the weekend course was Saturday and Sunday, 9 to 6.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was right into the flames, get ready guys.

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<v Speaker 2>The the instructional was fantastic. We were all given a

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty much basic mixer DJ console for us to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of start with and essentially we had to at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the second day.

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<v Speaker 2>Perform in front of the whole class, uh, uh, the

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<v Speaker 2>ability to make at the bare minimum 2 songs and

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<v Speaker 2>as many songs as you like as a maximum. Of

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<v Speaker 2>course I was me being the foolish person I said

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to mix like 5 and 6. A lat

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<v Speaker 2>foolish ambitious ambitious. Have you used all your credits or

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<v Speaker 2>do you still have some spare left? And what are

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<v Speaker 2>you going to do with that spare?

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<v Speaker 2>So much. I'm actually worried whether I can finish using

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<v Speaker 2>my credit, yeah, because I had so much and that

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<v Speaker 2>this was just this particular cost, this was just a

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<v Speaker 2>drop in the ocean for it and I'm so grateful

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<v Speaker 2>because I literally didn't have to pay anything at all

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<v Speaker 2>and the sign up was so seamless. I was really

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<v Speaker 2>very surprised, guys, because I really thought, oh man, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a government initiative. There'd be a lot of hoops

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<v Speaker 2>of fire, but no, I signed.

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<v Speaker 2>Um, the rep from Hustle SG called me and made

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<v Speaker 2>it very simple. I was in there like underwear by

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<v Speaker 2>the by like 2 or 3 calls, good to go,

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<v Speaker 2>signed up, and essentially I have so much more credits

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm looking, OK, what's next? It's a super deep

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<v Speaker 2>rabbit hole, right? If you guys haven't been on the

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<v Speaker 2>SkillsFuture credit page and look at the dashboard, paralysis there.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my God, there's like something around like 300.

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<v Speaker 2>types of stuff you can learn everything from cooking, cooking

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<v Speaker 2>cleanliness and I know you want to get that one

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<v Speaker 2>pot meal going, you know, you can do it and

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<v Speaker 2>they'll even teach you how to clean, uh, properly afterwards. Alright,

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<v Speaker 2>so the two of you might be classmates soon. I

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<v Speaker 2>won't be signing up for that one. Maybe I'll conduct

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<v Speaker 2>the class to teach that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Imran, always fun to chat with you, man. It's, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's really fun and thanks for inspiring us to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>not just look at skills future from a job's perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>but just do some be a learner. Just be a learner,

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<v Speaker 2>learn new things every day. You don't have to pigeonhole

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<v Speaker 2>yourself and pigeonhole your skills credit future skills future.

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<v Speaker 2>Credits, uh, to do, uh, just worky stuff. Thanks very much.

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<v Speaker 2>And you go have fun. I will see you at

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<v Speaker 2>the next kid's birthday party. Let's go. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Imran, marketing director at Big Thunder. He just took

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<v Speaker 2>his SkillsFuture credits to learn how to DJ. You can too.