1 00:00:00,060 --> 00:00:02,730 S1: Hey, Faisal. It is Iraq, and it's me. 2 00:00:02,820 --> 00:00:07,000 S2: Welcome back to a brand new season of Celebrity House podcast. 3 00:00:07,860 --> 00:00:10,050 S1: Wow, you have not done that in so long in 4 00:00:10,050 --> 00:00:11,820 S1: the same setting with the editors. 5 00:00:12,570 --> 00:00:15,090 S2: A long time. We had to redo the introduction again, 6 00:00:15,510 --> 00:00:17,910 S2: to be honest with you. Anyways, before we begin, this 7 00:00:17,910 --> 00:00:19,829 S2: brand new season is something that the three of us 8 00:00:19,829 --> 00:00:21,700 S2: have been keeping for quite some time. 9 00:00:21,810 --> 00:00:22,190 S1: Oh, really? 10 00:00:22,770 --> 00:00:26,340 S2: Absolutely excited to share with the crew. Correct all of 11 00:00:26,340 --> 00:00:29,430 S2: our audience members on listeners and podcasts. 12 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,350 S3: We've been keeping this from season two. 13 00:00:31,590 --> 00:00:34,740 S1: But are you still surprised? All right, we're going to 14 00:00:34,740 --> 00:00:45,260 S1: strip you three. We got us all hostage, and we 15 00:00:45,270 --> 00:00:50,820 S1: got that for you, too. Yes, my baby has to 16 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,300 S1: use it. Oops for everybody. 17 00:00:53,330 --> 00:00:55,610 S2: Yes, we have hostages for all of the crew members 18 00:00:55,610 --> 00:00:57,410 S2: because we just want to say a huge thank you 19 00:00:57,710 --> 00:01:00,530 S2: to all of your effort. I feel a bit like crying. 20 00:01:00,830 --> 00:01:02,010 S1: I know it's crazy. 21 00:01:02,570 --> 00:01:05,630 S3: I know from season one all the way until season 22 00:01:05,630 --> 00:01:08,660 S3: three and look at what we've built together with the team. 23 00:01:08,660 --> 00:01:10,179 S3: We couldn't have done this without them. 24 00:01:10,190 --> 00:01:12,590 S2: And honestly, we've been wanting to pursue the ship since 25 00:01:12,590 --> 00:01:16,400 S2: like a good three months ago. But circumstances just didn't 26 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:17,120 S2: allow us to 27 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:18,700 S3: lock and we didn't want to do it virtually. 28 00:01:19,700 --> 00:01:20,960 S1: You know any who? 29 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,000 S2: Thank you for designing this, a very, very beautiful illustration 30 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,850 S2: and logo. We are absolutely in love. 31 00:01:28,860 --> 00:01:30,869 S3: Oh, we love you guys. 32 00:01:30,870 --> 00:01:32,880 S1: We love you guys. Look at I mean, you said, 33 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:37,610 S1: I'm sorry, I just got it. You OK? It's true. 34 00:01:37,620 --> 00:01:38,610 S1: I came on it. It's just. 35 00:01:40,740 --> 00:01:42,540 S2: OK, we're going to pass it to you later. That's right. 36 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,790 S2: Let's get on with today's topic. I would say is 37 00:01:44,790 --> 00:01:47,280 S2: a bit more of a serious kind of issue, 38 00:01:47,580 --> 00:01:49,620 S3: but I think it's very important to address and very, 39 00:01:49,620 --> 00:01:51,810 S3: very relevant. And so this is what we're going to 40 00:01:51,810 --> 00:01:54,000 S3: be talking about today. Do you guys know about the 41 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,430 S3: Britney Spears saga? What do you know about it? 42 00:01:56,460 --> 00:02:01,050 S1: I did it again. That's her song. Yeah. Do you 43 00:02:01,050 --> 00:02:02,580 S1: guys know what she's going through 44 00:02:02,610 --> 00:02:04,290 S3: has been going through for a while now? 45 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,950 S2: I have to admit I haven't been following much of 46 00:02:07,140 --> 00:02:09,810 S2: the English side of the entertainment news growing up, but 47 00:02:10,350 --> 00:02:13,890 S2: I did intensive homework and research. And while this woman 48 00:02:13,889 --> 00:02:14,970 S2: has been through a lot. 49 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,750 S3: Exactly. So I think we didn't really know what she's 50 00:02:18,750 --> 00:02:21,570 S3: been going through because she has been silenced for many 51 00:02:21,570 --> 00:02:24,660 S3: years as part of something called a conservatorship. Right? And 52 00:02:24,660 --> 00:02:27,750 S3: that is where basically all any decision that you want 53 00:02:27,750 --> 00:02:29,490 S3: to make on your own, you can't you have a 54 00:02:29,490 --> 00:02:33,150 S3: legal guardian or someone appointed to make all those decisions. 55 00:02:33,389 --> 00:02:36,940 S3: So she was really, I think, sort of like a 56 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:41,400 S3: oh press for 13 years. She's been stuck in this conservatorship, 57 00:02:41,700 --> 00:02:44,130 S3: and so many people have been trying to stop this 58 00:02:44,130 --> 00:02:46,140 S3: FreeBritney movement for years now 59 00:02:46,410 --> 00:02:49,170 S2: so she can make her own personal choices. She's not 60 00:02:49,169 --> 00:02:53,070 S2: free to spend her own money, even though she's been making, what, 61 00:02:53,250 --> 00:02:56,730 S2: one hundred thirty one million dollars? Yeah, concerts and stuff 62 00:02:56,730 --> 00:02:59,490 S2: like that. So who's been handling all her decisions? 63 00:02:59,700 --> 00:03:04,710 S3: Well, it's actually been her dad, her dad, Jamie, who 64 00:03:04,710 --> 00:03:07,740 S3: has been handling all the decisions. But why did expression, though? 65 00:03:08,010 --> 00:03:10,800 S3: Because I think he is an evil person. I have 66 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,200 S3: to say he has been walking her to the bone 67 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:17,340 S3: for 13 years now and basically giving her nothing. He's 68 00:03:17,340 --> 00:03:20,370 S3: taking all her money. In fact, her whole family is 69 00:03:20,370 --> 00:03:23,140 S3: in on this conservatorship, even her sister and her mom. 70 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:25,170 S2: But how would you know? How do we know for 71 00:03:25,169 --> 00:03:27,270 S2: a fact that that's true? You know what I mean? 72 00:03:27,270 --> 00:03:29,430 S2: How do we know that this is not her father 73 00:03:29,430 --> 00:03:32,880 S2: caring for her? You know, making sure she what's hot 74 00:03:33,030 --> 00:03:37,020 S2: and making sure her money is safe somewhere? I that's 75 00:03:37,020 --> 00:03:37,080 S2: the 76 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,320 S4: issue. I think the pretext is that, you know, that's 77 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,250 S4: the forefront of its care, that it's, you know, that 78 00:03:44,250 --> 00:03:47,950 S4: she's not able to make these decisions herself. I think 79 00:03:47,950 --> 00:03:51,720 S4: they they basically meet use of the mistakes that she's made. Yeah. 80 00:03:51,870 --> 00:03:54,210 S4: To go a look. She did this. She did this. 81 00:03:54,210 --> 00:03:57,060 S4: Did this not sound kid on the nose off? Yeah, 82 00:03:57,060 --> 00:03:57,240 S4: but 83 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,750 S3: how can you take away someone's autonomy just because she 84 00:04:00,750 --> 00:04:03,240 S3: made some mistakes? And at that point in her time, 85 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,260 S3: we'll touch on this as well. She was being harassed 86 00:04:07,260 --> 00:04:10,170 S3: by the media. She was really being torn apart by 87 00:04:10,170 --> 00:04:12,360 S3: everyone in the world under that kind of pressure. Wouldn't 88 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,750 S3: you go crazy? Yeah. But there has been used. It 89 00:04:15,750 --> 00:04:18,450 S3: came out that all her family members are on the 90 00:04:18,450 --> 00:04:22,170 S3: payroll of this conservatorship. So the money from it, which 91 00:04:22,170 --> 00:04:25,200 S3: I think is, is really sad, is really sad. And 92 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,380 S3: she basically said that she lost years of her life 93 00:04:28,380 --> 00:04:30,840 S3: to this. She lost her dreams. 94 00:04:30,870 --> 00:04:35,070 S2: OK, so let's turn tide back back in the 2000s. 95 00:04:35,339 --> 00:04:38,370 S2: What happened to Britney Spears? So what I remember is 96 00:04:38,670 --> 00:04:42,599 S2: she was attacking a paparazzi car with an umbrella. What 97 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,279 S2: was in the middle of the night or something? We 98 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:44,640 S2: were so 99 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,279 S3: young when this happened, but it wasn't impactful. I think 100 00:04:48,029 --> 00:04:51,390 S3: she she had gone to a salon, shaved her own 101 00:04:51,390 --> 00:04:55,230 S3: hair with paparazzi, capturing all of this and then went 102 00:04:55,230 --> 00:04:57,060 S3: to be a paparazzi cop. 103 00:04:57,089 --> 00:04:59,370 S2: Yeah, exactly. And I think it didn't help it when 104 00:04:59,370 --> 00:05:02,970 S2: the camera captured her attacking the car. Yeah. The way 105 00:05:02,970 --> 00:05:05,460 S2: that she was positioned in front of the camera, it 106 00:05:05,460 --> 00:05:09,090 S2: was putting her at a disadvantage. She looked furious. She 107 00:05:09,089 --> 00:05:12,240 S2: looked crazy. Yeah, she looked like she. She just couldn't 108 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:13,440 S2: keep herself together. Yeah. 109 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,650 S3: So at that point of time, I think she really 110 00:05:16,650 --> 00:05:19,260 S3: was being harassed by the media and that caused some 111 00:05:19,260 --> 00:05:24,180 S3: sort of mental, you know, mental health issues. And I think, 112 00:05:24,180 --> 00:05:27,720 S3: first of all, it to basically how the conservatorship is 113 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,900 S3: to do what is happening today. She has the right 114 00:05:30,900 --> 00:05:33,659 S3: to choose her own lawyer. I think that's huge where 115 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,750 S3: basically she will be able to fight for herself. She's 116 00:05:36,750 --> 00:05:39,740 S3: very open now on Instagram, saying that she has lost 117 00:05:39,740 --> 00:05:43,080 S3: her dreams. She's angry at these people closest to her 118 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,930 S3: and she wants to fight back, and everyone is really 119 00:05:45,930 --> 00:05:47,880 S3: just helping her right now. 120 00:05:47,910 --> 00:05:51,599 S2: But from what I read on the news, she managed 121 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,900 S2: to change a. You're right, she should change. I think 122 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,440 S2: Jamie stepped down or something due to some health concerns 123 00:05:58,440 --> 00:05:59,370 S2: or health reasons. 124 00:05:59,670 --> 00:06:02,369 S3: I think she was fighting for her own right to 125 00:06:02,370 --> 00:06:06,240 S3: choose her own lawyer because under the conservatorship, technically Jamie 126 00:06:06,540 --> 00:06:07,870 S3: is allowed to choose her lawyer. 127 00:06:07,900 --> 00:06:08,790 S1: Right, right, right. 128 00:06:08,820 --> 00:06:10,770 S3: If he chooses, how is it going to be a 129 00:06:10,770 --> 00:06:10,979 S3: fair 130 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,190 S4: fight against him? Exactly. 131 00:06:13,230 --> 00:06:16,020 S3: So that's what is currently happening right now. But we 132 00:06:16,020 --> 00:06:19,080 S3: want to talk about how the media has treated celebrities, 133 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,770 S3: especially female celebrities, when they're younger, when they're like 16 18. 134 00:06:22,810 --> 00:06:26,920 S3: Years old, Britney included. Who else do Christina, Christina? 135 00:06:27,089 --> 00:06:29,789 S2: Janet Jackson I read about the one where she was 136 00:06:29,790 --> 00:06:32,940 S2: performing with Justin Timberlake, right? And then Justin Timberlake just 137 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,840 S2: stripped off like half of a bra. So what I 138 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,089 S2: heard was he was only supposed to strip off the 139 00:06:39,089 --> 00:06:42,870 S2: top layer revealing like a bra underneath. But the gunman 140 00:06:42,870 --> 00:06:45,720 S2: just collapsed and everything just came off. And I think 141 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,900 S2: Janet Jackson really suffered heavily for this one incident. 142 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,980 S3: She was being called a slut. She was being called disgusting. 143 00:06:52,980 --> 00:06:56,849 S3: And this Justin Timberlake, I have to say he's been problematic. Also, 144 00:06:56,850 --> 00:06:57,570 S3: with Britney 145 00:06:58,260 --> 00:06:58,859 S1: trying to come 146 00:06:58,860 --> 00:07:00,960 S3: out now and say, like, Oh, I support you 147 00:07:01,650 --> 00:07:05,549 S1: everybody. I agree. Yeah, I think 148 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,790 S2: that whole incident of Janet Rixton, also like the nipple 149 00:07:08,790 --> 00:07:12,660 S2: gate incident, really blew up on the internet and she 150 00:07:12,660 --> 00:07:17,070 S2: became like the most searched term back in 2004 and 2005. 151 00:07:17,070 --> 00:07:18,360 S2: It was insane. It was 152 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,270 S3: crazy. And that wasn't even her choice. She did not 153 00:07:21,270 --> 00:07:25,100 S3: consent to having her body being shown all around the world. Yep, 154 00:07:25,110 --> 00:07:27,300 S3: and I think it's just heartbreaking. I think someone else 155 00:07:27,300 --> 00:07:31,530 S3: who has really been affected by the media. Megan Fox, 156 00:07:31,530 --> 00:07:33,810 S3: when she came onto the scene as a very young 157 00:07:33,810 --> 00:07:37,170 S3: actress in like Transformers and stuff like that, these sexualized 158 00:07:37,170 --> 00:07:41,040 S3: her life, Steve. She was just a sexual icon. There 159 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:42,869 S3: was no use for her apart from that in the 160 00:07:42,870 --> 00:07:46,290 S3: media's eyes. And now I think this year we're starting 161 00:07:46,290 --> 00:07:49,290 S3: to gain consciousness about it. And a lot of media 162 00:07:49,290 --> 00:07:52,410 S3: outlets have actually apologized to Megan Fox saying that, you know, 163 00:07:52,410 --> 00:07:53,670 S3: we're so sorry for the way we treat that you 164 00:07:53,670 --> 00:07:56,760 S3: last time. And we're changing our mindsets now, 165 00:07:57,570 --> 00:08:00,180 S2: coming from the media's point of view back in those 166 00:08:00,180 --> 00:08:02,700 S2: times where social media wasn't so prominent yet, right? Yeah, 167 00:08:02,820 --> 00:08:05,370 S2: they really had to find ways to make sure that 168 00:08:05,550 --> 00:08:09,320 S2: their copies, the newspapers and magazines getting sold. Yes, exactly. 169 00:08:09,330 --> 00:08:13,390 S2: So sometimes the measures they think may be a bit extreme. Yeah, 170 00:08:13,410 --> 00:08:15,510 S2: but I'm glad that they're stepping forward to say sorry 171 00:08:15,510 --> 00:08:16,020 S2: right now. 172 00:08:16,110 --> 00:08:19,260 S3: Exactly. Yeah. I think in the past, in the 2000s, right, 173 00:08:19,260 --> 00:08:22,590 S3: they really attacked the younger girls. Can you imagine as 174 00:08:22,590 --> 00:08:24,989 S3: an 18 year old, the most famous pop star in 175 00:08:24,990 --> 00:08:28,500 S3: the world, Britney and being asked about your virginity on camera? 176 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:30,540 S3: How is that appropriate in this day? 177 00:08:30,870 --> 00:08:35,700 S2: Exactly, exactly. She actually mentioned that she wanted to keep 178 00:08:35,700 --> 00:08:38,550 S2: her virginity till after she was married, right? But in 179 00:08:38,550 --> 00:08:39,990 S2: the end, she broke it. 180 00:08:40,230 --> 00:08:44,370 S3: She admitted she broke it with Justin Timberlake. Then isn't 181 00:08:44,390 --> 00:08:47,530 S3: it takes two hands to the right kind of sex alone, right? 182 00:08:47,530 --> 00:08:51,590 S3: So why did they kind of annihilate her and not him? Yeah. 183 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,479 S2: And what is shocking is Justin Timberlake actually talks about 184 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:59,540 S2: this openly in his interviews. Don't you think that's very mean? Yeah, 185 00:08:59,550 --> 00:09:02,160 S2: it's very rude. You know, this person is your ex-girlfriend. 186 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,140 S2: I don't think you should be taking things out to 187 00:09:04,140 --> 00:09:05,040 S2: public like that. 188 00:09:05,100 --> 00:09:09,059 S1: He wrote a song. Oh, yeah, that's right. That's right. 189 00:09:09,090 --> 00:09:11,250 S3: That's why I'm so pissed that now he's coming out 190 00:09:11,250 --> 00:09:13,350 S3: and saying, like, Oh, I support you. You were not 191 00:09:13,350 --> 00:09:13,890 S3: there for her. 192 00:09:13,890 --> 00:09:17,910 S4: Just I think there's so many underlying issues to this, 193 00:09:17,910 --> 00:09:20,430 S4: and I think there's various degrees as well. Yeah, like 194 00:09:20,429 --> 00:09:23,280 S4: what we're looking at are extreme cases. But I think 195 00:09:23,429 --> 00:09:26,489 S4: even such from the bottom of the chain, you know, 196 00:09:26,490 --> 00:09:30,420 S4: with these things are just left, I noticed, or people 197 00:09:30,420 --> 00:09:32,940 S4: just do it and they accept it as norms. 198 00:09:33,059 --> 00:09:35,790 S3: I think we have come so far from the way 199 00:09:35,790 --> 00:09:39,210 S3: that women were portrayed and treated in the media since 200 00:09:39,210 --> 00:09:42,270 S3: last time. I mean, look at look at all the 201 00:09:42,270 --> 00:09:45,240 S3: other magazines these days. They're trying to be more inclusive 202 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,390 S3: include like plus size and all different sizes, diversity and 203 00:09:48,390 --> 00:09:51,059 S3: stuff like that. But in the past, there was nothing 204 00:09:51,059 --> 00:09:53,850 S3: like this. So I think we should be glad we're 205 00:09:53,850 --> 00:09:55,230 S3: living in a time of change. 206 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,510 S2: Mm hmm. Exactly. I fully agree. And if you are 207 00:09:57,540 --> 00:10:00,090 S2: so thankful that you know, in this time where social 208 00:10:00,090 --> 00:10:03,959 S2: media is a platform is easily available for everybody, we 209 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:05,520 S2: can just speak up like that. We don't have to 210 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,670 S2: go through traditional forms of media to have our voices heard. 211 00:10:09,700 --> 00:10:11,580 S2: You know, we can speak up for ourselves as women. 212 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,100 S2: And that is something I'm super grateful for. 213 00:10:14,820 --> 00:10:18,450 S3: But how do you guys think women and men are 214 00:10:18,450 --> 00:10:20,370 S3: treated differently in the public eye 215 00:10:20,750 --> 00:10:21,780 S2: mean right now 216 00:10:21,780 --> 00:10:23,459 S1: or back into back then, 217 00:10:23,460 --> 00:10:26,880 S2: back then? We are talking about maybe 20 or five, 218 00:10:26,910 --> 00:10:28,110 S3: 2006 early to. 219 00:10:29,550 --> 00:10:32,579 S4: I think first of all, male celebrities get away with 220 00:10:32,580 --> 00:10:35,400 S4: a lot more agree, and I would dare to say 221 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:36,120 S4: even today. 222 00:10:36,540 --> 00:10:37,110 S3: Definitely. 223 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,490 S2: I think Mills in general, they are still at an 224 00:10:41,490 --> 00:10:45,790 S2: advantage when it comes to descending in society settings. They 225 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:47,840 S2: set to see a lot of things. I think women, 226 00:10:47,850 --> 00:10:51,240 S2: we are still sitting at a disadvantage and though I 227 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:55,530 S2: think things are improving, but the disparities do that well. 228 00:10:55,530 --> 00:11:00,059 S3: Honestly, I think that this this systemic problem in the past, 229 00:11:00,059 --> 00:11:02,760 S3: it really used to protect men where they can do 230 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,760 S3: the craziest things. I mean, look at Marilyn Manson. You 231 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,340 S3: guys know, a lot of reports have come out in 232 00:11:08,340 --> 00:11:12,480 S3: the last couple of months where he literally help young 233 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:16,740 S3: girls against their will, beat them every day and abuse them. 234 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,170 S3: And now these women are coming out to see that, 235 00:11:19,170 --> 00:11:22,559 S3: you know, I was raped. I was literally hit by. 236 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,610 S3: Marilyn Manson. He wouldn't let me eat, he wouldn't let 237 00:11:24,610 --> 00:11:26,439 S3: me drink water. He locked me in a room and 238 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:26,970 S3: stuff like that. 239 00:11:27,270 --> 00:11:28,450 S2: You, what is wrong with this guy? 240 00:11:28,660 --> 00:11:30,790 S3: No, no. There really is something wrong with him. But 241 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,570 S3: the media protected him for so many years. They refused 242 00:11:34,570 --> 00:11:36,219 S3: to publish stuff like that, and I think that really 243 00:11:36,220 --> 00:11:38,840 S3: comes down to who owns the media. Mm hmm. 244 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,040 S2: Exactly. So. One recent incident that really blew up the 245 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,100 S2: whole Chinese entertainment scene. Had you guys heard of Chris Wu, 246 00:11:45,340 --> 00:11:49,300 S2: all these war, the very famous rapper. So he was 247 00:11:49,300 --> 00:11:52,480 S2: part of exile. And then he left. He went to China, 248 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:56,380 S2: Mainland China to really like focus on his singing career. 249 00:11:56,860 --> 00:12:00,360 S2: And apparently, he is a womanizer man 250 00:12:00,940 --> 00:12:02,740 S1: and you're not ready. 251 00:12:03,309 --> 00:12:08,130 S2: Anyways, recently, many of his own toys, I would say 252 00:12:08,530 --> 00:12:12,100 S2: many of his women started to speak up on social media. Yeah, 253 00:12:12,100 --> 00:12:16,270 S2: amazing things about him. How flirtatious he is, how how 254 00:12:16,270 --> 00:12:20,260 S2: much he sleeps around and how much of an asshole 255 00:12:20,260 --> 00:12:23,380 S2: he is. La The Evil was one report whereby this lady, 256 00:12:23,380 --> 00:12:25,210 S2: I think one of his exes even stood up to 257 00:12:25,210 --> 00:12:28,390 S2: say he lied to us. His ladies might have been 258 00:12:28,420 --> 00:12:29,850 S2: the MVP in this. 259 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,340 S1: Yeah, exactly. OK. So this is what I heard. 260 00:12:33,730 --> 00:12:36,160 S2: And then the lady just went on social media. Is it, 261 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,650 S2: you know, the feeling where you're trying to pick your 262 00:12:38,650 --> 00:12:41,780 S2: nose with your finger, but what goes in is a toothpick. 263 00:12:43,940 --> 00:12:46,940 S2: So does this mean this is not ongoing now, this 264 00:12:46,950 --> 00:12:52,059 S2: is Chris Woo is a tough cookie. But what is? 265 00:12:52,220 --> 00:12:54,950 S2: Look at this, yeah, many people can just step up, 266 00:12:55,130 --> 00:12:57,620 S2: use their own platforms to go against such a huge 267 00:12:57,620 --> 00:12:58,460 S2: icon like Greece. 268 00:12:59,059 --> 00:12:59,780 S1: And, you know, 269 00:13:00,230 --> 00:13:06,530 S2: almost immediately, so many sponsors, clients cut ties with him. Oh, yeah, really, really. 270 00:13:06,530 --> 00:13:09,830 S2: I think he is really seeing like a huge drop, 271 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:11,750 S2: a drastic drop in his income right now. 272 00:13:11,780 --> 00:13:14,720 S3: That wouldn't have happened back then. Exactly. So things have really, 273 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:18,410 S3: really changed. And even in Singapore, I remember right from 274 00:13:18,410 --> 00:13:20,270 S3: when we were young, there was this Chinese show on 275 00:13:20,270 --> 00:13:24,429 S3: Channel eight. Do you remember the girls in bikinis running down, Alicia? 276 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,380 S1: To be honest. Yeah. Yeah, a couple of them. That 277 00:13:27,380 --> 00:13:27,620 S1: was 278 00:13:27,620 --> 00:13:30,949 S3: crazy news. Everyone was sort of like vilifying them. The 279 00:13:30,950 --> 00:13:31,430 S3: posters 280 00:13:31,429 --> 00:13:35,000 S1: Let me. Oh my my. Right? Oh yes, you are right. 281 00:13:35,929 --> 00:13:39,050 S1: Go ahead. OK. Check it out. And you 282 00:13:39,050 --> 00:13:42,229 S3: remember that? I do crazy in the early 2000s when 283 00:13:42,500 --> 00:13:45,590 S3: I guess they protected women like we were. Some sort 284 00:13:45,590 --> 00:13:49,130 S3: of pure things when we're all humans, right? Yeah. And 285 00:13:49,130 --> 00:13:50,559 S3: they were they would invite. 286 00:13:50,570 --> 00:13:52,790 S2: But do you think that drama could have happened now? 287 00:13:53,090 --> 00:13:55,850 S2: Maybe for ladies, who are you talking about? Leslie Kerri 288 00:13:55,850 --> 00:13:58,790 S2: Wong Shontell Oh, yeah, running down all the bikinis. I 289 00:13:58,790 --> 00:13:59,209 S2: don't think so. 290 00:13:59,510 --> 00:14:03,230 S3: I don't think so because that drama in the past 291 00:14:03,230 --> 00:14:05,599 S3: was shot with what we call the male gaze, right 292 00:14:05,809 --> 00:14:09,520 S3: where it is is shot to serve a male. Yeah, 293 00:14:09,650 --> 00:14:12,890 S3: whereas these days it's different because they are trying to 294 00:14:12,890 --> 00:14:17,000 S3: make it not so objectification, you know, not so objectifying 295 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,559 S3: of women. So I think it's really the fear. I 296 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:19,850 S3: don't think that could ever happen, though. 297 00:14:19,970 --> 00:14:22,550 S2: Exactly. So it's so funny how things have changed. It's 298 00:14:22,550 --> 00:14:24,240 S2: only been, what, 15 years. 299 00:14:24,260 --> 00:14:26,120 S4: It's true, but I want to touch back on the 300 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:26,540 S4: crease with 301 00:14:26,540 --> 00:14:30,000 S1: one little thing to fear. Yes, two feet, you see. 302 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,650 S4: We hear a lot about, let's see. OK, we're looking 303 00:14:33,650 --> 00:14:36,990 S4: at celebrities are male celebrities. They can't sleep around. Yeah, 304 00:14:37,190 --> 00:14:42,350 S4: and that's fine. But imagine knowing that a female celebrity 305 00:14:42,620 --> 00:14:44,660 S4: has been, Oh, this guy with this guy with this 306 00:14:44,660 --> 00:14:47,990 S4: guy and then the top among people is just different. Yeah, 307 00:14:48,050 --> 00:14:49,470 S4: until today, don't you think so? 308 00:14:49,490 --> 00:14:51,590 S3: I feel like for males, they would celebrate 309 00:14:51,930 --> 00:14:54,080 S1: like, Oh, you know, you got so many chicks get 310 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:54,520 S1: it done 311 00:14:54,830 --> 00:14:56,990 S3: for females, it'd be like slut slut shaming. 312 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,450 S2: But I don't think it's right to say it's OK 313 00:14:59,450 --> 00:15:01,880 S2: for male celebrities to sleep around. I don't think that's 314 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,760 S2: a girl. Yeah, I mean, in social media's eyes, like, 315 00:15:05,930 --> 00:15:07,940 S2: follow us on social media. I also think that they 316 00:15:07,940 --> 00:15:13,070 S2: would condemn this kind of behavior. Mosul in today's context in, say, 317 00:15:13,070 --> 00:15:15,470 S2: the Chinese or the Korean market. There's what I feel. 318 00:15:15,470 --> 00:15:18,080 S2: So look at how show law went down as well. Oh, 319 00:15:18,590 --> 00:15:20,600 S2: that whole, what do you call that when many people 320 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:21,740 S2: have have sex? 321 00:15:22,420 --> 00:15:24,960 S1: Yeah, yeah. 322 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,950 S2: Yeah, well, that happened. His girlfriend of nine years actually 323 00:15:27,950 --> 00:15:31,640 S2: stood up and went against him. Just one pause was 324 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,700 S2: all it took to to ruin his entire career. Good 325 00:15:34,700 --> 00:15:37,190 S2: on her. Yeah, and he's trying to stand back up Nola. 326 00:15:37,670 --> 00:15:39,920 S2: I don't think it's going to be successful in my 327 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:43,310 S2: own humble opinion. But yeah, I don't think it's celebrated 328 00:15:43,310 --> 00:15:46,729 S2: at all. I just think sleeping around. I don't know 329 00:15:46,730 --> 00:15:49,490 S2: because you are a celebrity. You are an artist. You 330 00:15:49,490 --> 00:15:50,690 S2: have a higher price to pay. 331 00:15:50,780 --> 00:15:54,860 S3: Definitely. I think things have really changed in terms of 332 00:15:54,860 --> 00:15:57,130 S3: how the media portrays. But I don't know in Singapore, 333 00:15:57,150 --> 00:15:59,510 S3: have you guys ever seen like maybe people that you know, 334 00:15:59,570 --> 00:16:04,010 S3: your colleagues, fellow celebrities, liberal know like, right, they being 335 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:04,640 S3: being 336 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:09,010 S1: vilified by the media for not being banal? You know 337 00:16:09,020 --> 00:16:12,110 S1: this bill that he D.A., but basically 338 00:16:12,110 --> 00:16:17,740 S3: being attacked by the media or gossip sites writing about them? 339 00:16:17,750 --> 00:16:18,770 S3: Any recollection? 340 00:16:19,250 --> 00:16:20,180 S1: I remember 341 00:16:21,380 --> 00:16:22,550 S2: two years ago, I think 342 00:16:23,180 --> 00:16:23,370 S3: that 343 00:16:23,390 --> 00:16:25,940 S2: hesitation. Yeah, a bit of hesitation. OK, but this is 344 00:16:25,940 --> 00:16:29,210 S2: this is news like this is in the local scene. 345 00:16:29,210 --> 00:16:33,230 S2: I remember this screenshot being exchanged between um, Kevin Wong 346 00:16:33,230 --> 00:16:36,280 S2: and Ian Fung. Do you remember that? I remember. Yeah, 347 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:41,900 S2: where the exchange pretty intimate like the association's Diem's on Instagram. 348 00:16:41,900 --> 00:16:44,480 S2: And we have no idea due to the how that 349 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,840 S2: conversation got leaked, but it caused such a big who, hala. 350 00:16:48,650 --> 00:16:52,220 S2: In all honesty, I feel like nobody can confirm what 351 00:16:52,220 --> 00:16:55,770 S2: relationship they are. They may be for all we know, 352 00:16:55,790 --> 00:16:59,870 S2: just friends just by using or talking casually. We don't 353 00:16:59,870 --> 00:17:01,850 S2: know for sure. Why are you smiling? Like? Do you 354 00:17:01,850 --> 00:17:03,080 S2: know anything? I don't know. 355 00:17:03,980 --> 00:17:06,810 S1: I'm going to steal something on camera? No. Oh, OK. 356 00:17:07,190 --> 00:17:10,220 S2: But I think the good thing about Singapore is incidents 357 00:17:10,220 --> 00:17:13,639 S2: like these blow over quickly. You know, it doesn't really 358 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,760 S2: affect Carrie. No. And thankfully, the kids do go about 359 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,040 S2: like the daily drama, filming and stuff like that. Of course, 360 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,860 S2: they stood up to say sorry, causing hurt to defense 361 00:17:21,859 --> 00:17:25,040 S2: and stuff like that. But I think the audience in 362 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:29,420 S2: Singapore is more forgiving artsy than people in China or Korea. 363 00:17:29,450 --> 00:17:33,380 S4: Don't you think that these how to see? OK, I 364 00:17:33,380 --> 00:17:37,490 S4: understand that celebrities have signed up for this life would 365 00:17:37,490 --> 00:17:40,219 S4: have known what they're coming in for. But don't you 366 00:17:40,220 --> 00:17:43,580 S4: think this is the main reason why it drives people 367 00:17:43,580 --> 00:17:47,119 S4: like Britney into the seat that she's in? Definitely. Definitely 368 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:50,220 S4: because of this expectations, because you have to. Behave better 369 00:17:50,220 --> 00:17:53,639 S4: because you're a celebrity. Exactly. You human there, you know, 370 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,340 S4: and I'm sure they have their frustrations with everything they 371 00:17:56,340 --> 00:17:58,919 S4: do gets blown out of proportion that they have to 372 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,040 S4: take care of themselves better when they have more stress. 373 00:18:02,250 --> 00:18:04,169 S4: They are equal monsters and they want to do the 374 00:18:04,170 --> 00:18:05,440 S4: same stuff that people do. 375 00:18:05,700 --> 00:18:07,229 S3: At the end of the day, I think we really 376 00:18:07,230 --> 00:18:09,030 S3: need to just always keep in mind we are all 377 00:18:09,030 --> 00:18:13,170 S3: human and we all make mistakes, and no one deserves 378 00:18:13,170 --> 00:18:16,140 S3: to be driven to a point like that by the media. 379 00:18:16,170 --> 00:18:19,050 S3: Look at Princess Diana. She was literally driven to death 380 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,179 S3: while the paparazzi was chasing her, and 381 00:18:21,540 --> 00:18:23,340 S1: literally there was so many 382 00:18:23,340 --> 00:18:26,609 S3: years ago. And even today, Meghan Markle 383 00:18:27,630 --> 00:18:28,500 S1: is also 384 00:18:28,500 --> 00:18:30,780 S3: undergoing the same thing. And that's why they decided to 385 00:18:30,780 --> 00:18:34,470 S3: leave the royal family because Harry didn't want to end 386 00:18:34,470 --> 00:18:37,410 S3: up in the situation like his mom. Yeah, but you 387 00:18:37,410 --> 00:18:40,230 S3: see how women and men are treated so differently in 388 00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:42,660 S3: the media. I mean, at that point of time, Charles 389 00:18:42,660 --> 00:18:45,980 S3: was cheating on Diana, too, but no one chased him down. Or, 390 00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:48,390 S3: you know, I mean, no one kind of like assassinate 391 00:18:48,510 --> 00:18:49,260 S3: him in the media. 392 00:18:49,380 --> 00:18:51,750 S1: Oh yeah. So, Harper, how what I did? 393 00:18:52,170 --> 00:18:53,070 S2: How are you, buddy? 394 00:18:54,780 --> 00:18:58,229 S3: How can we make things better? That's the thing. I 395 00:18:58,230 --> 00:19:01,889 S3: think things have really, really changed with more and more 396 00:19:01,890 --> 00:19:05,490 S3: female celebrities speaking up, for example. Taylor Swift, right? She 397 00:19:05,490 --> 00:19:08,460 S3: used to be so hated on for writing songs about 398 00:19:08,460 --> 00:19:13,050 S1: boys and girls, about her ex. The song is nice. What? 399 00:19:13,230 --> 00:19:14,939 S1: We're never getting back together. Yeah, I'm sure you all 400 00:19:14,940 --> 00:19:17,310 S1: want to go ahead, Melissa, and 401 00:19:17,310 --> 00:19:19,740 S4: all of you are just jealous that you know you 402 00:19:19,740 --> 00:19:22,290 S4: have the same emotions she does, but she managed to 403 00:19:22,290 --> 00:19:22,740 S4: change changing the 404 00:19:22,740 --> 00:19:23,010 S1: money. 405 00:19:24,990 --> 00:19:30,510 S2: And Olivia Rodrigo, this new UP-AND-COMING singer. Her new album, Sour, 406 00:19:30,510 --> 00:19:33,170 S2: is full of very salty songs. 407 00:19:33,180 --> 00:19:34,020 S1: Yeah, but your 408 00:19:34,619 --> 00:19:38,760 S2: opinions are on expression of who can see Nora using anything. 409 00:19:38,780 --> 00:19:40,710 S1: You know, we can see 410 00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:43,170 S3: the difference in the way that they treat a Taylor Swift. 411 00:19:43,170 --> 00:19:45,990 S3: The mere fun of her. Exactly her joke. But Olivia 412 00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:49,139 S3: is number one. She's being celebrated, but that means we're 413 00:19:49,140 --> 00:19:50,640 S3: moving in the right direction. 414 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,820 S2: Yeah, I fully agree. I fully agree. That's great. That's great. 415 00:19:53,850 --> 00:19:55,860 S2: So what do you think about the treatment of women 416 00:19:55,859 --> 00:19:58,500 S2: in the media these days, like you mentioned from Taylor 417 00:19:58,500 --> 00:20:02,520 S2: to Olivia? What other examples do you do you girls 418 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,510 S2: have in mind that made you think that things have 419 00:20:04,750 --> 00:20:06,060 S2: changed for the better, 420 00:20:06,300 --> 00:20:07,830 S4: changed for the better? 421 00:20:07,950 --> 00:20:10,620 S3: Well, I think with social media, a lot more females 422 00:20:10,619 --> 00:20:13,980 S3: are empowered to speak on their own so they can 423 00:20:13,980 --> 00:20:15,689 S3: make the news you see because they don't have to 424 00:20:15,690 --> 00:20:18,630 S3: rely on someone else on news outlets to speak on 425 00:20:18,630 --> 00:20:22,620 S3: their behalf. Exactly. Like, for example, Lizzo, she is someone 426 00:20:22,619 --> 00:20:26,430 S3: that is super hardworking, but people body shaming every single 427 00:20:26,430 --> 00:20:29,490 S3: day in her comments. Every time I see, it's very sad. Yeah. 428 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:34,260 S3: And she basically told everyone, You know what I work 429 00:20:34,260 --> 00:20:36,389 S3: out every day. I'm probably more fit than half of 430 00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:39,090 S3: you guys and I work out not to have that. 431 00:20:39,090 --> 00:20:40,980 S3: I do body type. I woke up to have my 432 00:20:40,980 --> 00:20:43,530 S3: own body type and that really shook the world. Everyone 433 00:20:43,530 --> 00:20:46,110 S3: was like, Yeah, it is true. Yeah, why should she 434 00:20:46,109 --> 00:20:48,840 S3: be working out to be a size zero? Yeah. So 435 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,420 S3: I think that autonomy really has changed things. 436 00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:54,510 S2: And certainly, I think to today, society's perception of beauty 437 00:20:54,510 --> 00:20:58,140 S2: is still thin girls more in the Asian kind of context, 438 00:20:58,140 --> 00:21:00,470 S2: like maybe the US curvy girls and we'll accept it. 439 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,050 S2: But you know, in Asia, we like stick thin goals, 440 00:21:04,050 --> 00:21:07,020 S2: and this is why so many female artists really work 441 00:21:07,030 --> 00:21:09,720 S2: so hard to achieve that kind of body. Look, all 442 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,930 S2: our Korean K-pop like singers. How many of them lose 443 00:21:12,930 --> 00:21:15,170 S2: their previous career because they don't eat? 444 00:21:15,180 --> 00:21:18,050 S1: Because really, it's because they don't eat? 445 00:21:18,060 --> 00:21:18,550 S4: Exactly, exactly. 446 00:21:19,170 --> 00:21:21,820 S1: Yeah, because they got me thinking, Oh, 447 00:21:22,050 --> 00:21:23,310 S2: this happens so 448 00:21:23,490 --> 00:21:27,929 S1: often, you guys know wiser. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, my was beautiful. 449 00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:30,870 S1: She she's the media called fat for years. Like, I 450 00:21:30,869 --> 00:21:33,950 S1: won't eat anyone who calls myself fat. You'll come here, OK, 451 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,230 S1: I'm one of you. Please hurry. 452 00:21:38,100 --> 00:21:42,500 S2: Yeah. But putting her beside, say, Lisa Jenny, for example, 453 00:21:42,510 --> 00:21:44,790 S2: of course we can see a difference, but this beauty 454 00:21:44,790 --> 00:21:46,860 S2: in her own way. I also agree to her figure 455 00:21:46,859 --> 00:21:48,420 S2: is absolutely gorgeous. 456 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:54,020 S1: We so feel over like Godzilla. Yes. Yeah. 457 00:21:54,210 --> 00:21:57,000 S2: So I feel like the media is really working in 458 00:21:57,540 --> 00:22:00,000 S2: the favor of women these days. 459 00:22:00,210 --> 00:22:02,940 S3: I feel, I think with the whole MeToo movement, they 460 00:22:02,940 --> 00:22:06,510 S3: realize that if they continue to attack women, they would 461 00:22:06,510 --> 00:22:09,840 S3: have no readership. The days where, you know, they used 462 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,960 S3: to think like the worst pictures of female celebrities on 463 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,330 S3: their holidays, like in a bikini like 464 00:22:15,330 --> 00:22:19,020 S1: you can possibly suck in all the time when they're 465 00:22:19,020 --> 00:22:21,340 S1: on their holiday. I just want to let my tummy 466 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,120 S1: loose cannon. But then this picture would 467 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,550 S3: go on the front page news if she gained a 468 00:22:26,550 --> 00:22:29,850 S3: couple of pounds or time to stop eating so much. 469 00:22:29,940 --> 00:22:33,179 S3: What is with this obsession with women's bodies 470 00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:37,740 S2: and in the Chinese entertainment industry? When female artists after 471 00:22:37,740 --> 00:22:40,770 S2: giving birth, they can go back to their weight prior 472 00:22:40,770 --> 00:22:43,560 S2: to being pregnant is like huge in all the news 473 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:45,870 S2: recovery and say, Oh my gosh, that is so yeah, 474 00:22:45,869 --> 00:22:49,260 S2: how is this how this woman even pregnant at all? 475 00:22:49,609 --> 00:22:50,590 S4: You are dying every day. 476 00:22:50,650 --> 00:22:52,480 S2: How did you manage to lose so much weight in 477 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,100 S2: such a short amount of time, but you have no 478 00:22:54,100 --> 00:22:56,470 S2: idea what she's been going through? She may be blinking 479 00:22:56,770 --> 00:22:59,500 S2: for 18 hours a day at home every day while 480 00:22:59,500 --> 00:23:02,409 S3: trying to heal from a childbirth. Exactly. It's ridiculous. And 481 00:23:02,410 --> 00:23:04,810 S3: that's why it's so important to talk about media's portrayal 482 00:23:04,810 --> 00:23:08,200 S3: of women because it affects all the young women out 483 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,350 S3: there right now, and it puts such unexplained, like such 484 00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:14,590 S3: high expectations on them that they can never live 485 00:23:14,590 --> 00:23:16,179 S2: up to exactly because, to 486 00:23:16,180 --> 00:23:19,179 S3: be honest, a lot of celebrities photoshop themselves as well. 487 00:23:19,330 --> 00:23:22,119 S3: So those are expectations that even they can't live up to. 488 00:23:22,690 --> 00:23:25,240 S4: Right, exactly. You give an end to chain cycle. You see, 489 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,270 S4: it's a it's a it's a chain thing because the 490 00:23:28,270 --> 00:23:30,610 S4: celebrity knows that the media is coming up to them, right? 491 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,219 S4: They will do whatever it takes to lose that, you know, fat, 492 00:23:33,220 --> 00:23:36,399 S4: let's say, after childbirth and then mothers out there who 493 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,460 S4: are struggling with their, you know, newborns look at them 494 00:23:39,460 --> 00:23:41,889 S4: and they can do it. So I can tell you 495 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,410 S4: how come I can? Oh, why am I taking so long? 496 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,500 S4: Why is my progress not even there? It's a chain 497 00:23:47,500 --> 00:23:49,929 S4: thing where the beating themselves? Exactly. 498 00:23:50,290 --> 00:23:52,629 S2: So it's just showing with Jimena Azzurra the other day 499 00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:56,889 S2: that I felt so better about myself or eating so much. Remember, 500 00:23:57,340 --> 00:23:59,410 S2: I was telling I was telling my girls I was. 501 00:23:59,650 --> 00:24:01,030 S2: I was saying, Oh my God, you know what a 502 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,240 S2: to CG. I feel so bad, and I found that 503 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,940 S2: why am I feeling a little bit? Because when I 504 00:24:06,940 --> 00:24:09,700 S2: watch movies, when I watch TV dramas and I see 505 00:24:09,700 --> 00:24:13,689 S2: like the female, the female lead in the shower was 506 00:24:13,690 --> 00:24:17,400 S2: so skinny, so fit. I'm like, How come she cannot 507 00:24:17,650 --> 00:24:19,420 S2: be in this industry as 508 00:24:19,420 --> 00:24:21,430 S1: a way to do? We do it a lot? Well, 509 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,060 S1: what do you mean? Yes. 510 00:24:25,650 --> 00:24:27,369 S2: But so this is the kind of thing. Go ahead. 511 00:24:27,490 --> 00:24:29,830 S2: I will have. I will ask myself, I'm an artist 512 00:24:29,830 --> 00:24:32,320 S2: as well. They are in the entertainment industry as well. 513 00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:35,979 S2: If they can do it, should I be? Also, you know, 514 00:24:35,980 --> 00:24:39,100 S2: working hard to achieve that kind of body tilt to 515 00:24:39,100 --> 00:24:41,110 S2: the to the extent that one day when I met 516 00:24:41,109 --> 00:24:42,700 S2: like my girls again, I told them, You know what? 517 00:24:42,820 --> 00:24:44,770 S2: I'm just going to fuck it. I'm just going to 518 00:24:44,770 --> 00:24:47,919 S2: eat whatever I want. And they immediately shook hands. 519 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:48,230 S1: Yeah. 520 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,940 S3: You know, honestly, I feel that Haze is really, really 521 00:24:51,940 --> 00:24:52,989 S3: hard on herself. Like, I 522 00:24:52,990 --> 00:24:54,609 S2: understand, you know, sometimes stress 523 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,920 S3: of being in this industry. But we love you so 524 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:57,370 S3: much and 525 00:24:57,609 --> 00:24:59,979 S1: we love you no matter what you look exactly. 526 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,950 S4: We do want you to be happy. Like to think 527 00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:03,760 S4: of yourself? 528 00:25:03,910 --> 00:25:06,400 S2: Exactly. And I felt it after I told myself, I'm 529 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,890 S2: just going to let myself eat whatever I want. I 530 00:25:08,890 --> 00:25:10,990 S2: was indeed happier and I eat less. 531 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,970 S1: Oh, because right? Because I don't feel the pressure. Reverse psychology. Exactly. 532 00:25:15,970 --> 00:25:17,770 S2: Exactly the more I tell myself, I'm not going to 533 00:25:17,770 --> 00:25:20,350 S2: have this guidos. The more I wanted, the more I'll 534 00:25:20,350 --> 00:25:21,220 S2: eat it, the more 535 00:25:21,220 --> 00:25:23,050 S1: we all get the idea. Yeah. So just be 536 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,590 S2: happy. Let yourself, you know, eat whatever you want in moderation. 537 00:25:26,590 --> 00:25:29,080 S2: Of course you feel you'll feel good for the rest 538 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:29,560 S2: of the day. 539 00:25:29,710 --> 00:25:32,920 S3: So as women on social media, right? Because social media 540 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,140 S3: is a form of media these days, yeah, yeah. Let 541 00:25:35,140 --> 00:25:38,859 S3: us always try to support other women and let us always, 542 00:25:38,859 --> 00:25:41,980 S3: you know, firstly, don't leave nasty comments on other women. 543 00:25:42,700 --> 00:25:44,080 S3: Why would you do that with 544 00:25:44,109 --> 00:25:46,949 S4: celebrities or not, whether you know them or not? Yeah, well, 545 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,350 S4: they're like human beings. They're very real people with very 546 00:25:50,380 --> 00:25:52,990 S4: real feelings at the end of the day, and they 547 00:25:52,990 --> 00:25:55,450 S4: will see a comment at some point whether or not, 548 00:25:55,450 --> 00:25:57,460 S4: you know, you think that, oh, that thousands of them 549 00:25:57,460 --> 00:25:59,409 S4: like they're not going to see it, but they might 550 00:25:59,410 --> 00:26:02,530 S4: just see that one thing might just push them over 551 00:26:02,530 --> 00:26:02,860 S4: the edge. 552 00:26:02,890 --> 00:26:04,780 S2: Exactly. And if you think that they won't see why, 553 00:26:04,780 --> 00:26:06,580 S2: even if a comment in the first place, right? 554 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:13,560 S1: Exactly not the issue when they say, don't say anything. Right. 555 00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:16,570 S3: And I think that hopefully, you know, with all of 556 00:26:16,570 --> 00:26:19,810 S3: this open conversation, right, we can inspire you or you 557 00:26:19,810 --> 00:26:23,590 S3: can be inspired to call out all these body shamers, 558 00:26:23,590 --> 00:26:25,899 S3: call out people that send you nasty comments. You know, 559 00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:27,760 S3: I used to do this where people shamed me, right? 560 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,500 S3: And I screenshot and posts on my story 561 00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:32,380 S1: and the guy next to me who was, I'm so sorry, 562 00:26:32,380 --> 00:26:39,760 S1: I didn't want to hurt your feelings. Might be like vanilla, 563 00:26:39,770 --> 00:26:40,100 S1: but yeah, 564 00:26:40,190 --> 00:26:43,010 S3: so you on social media, you have your own autonomy. 565 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,930 S3: Let me just take this power back. 566 00:26:45,109 --> 00:26:48,350 S4: Mm hmm. You know, while we're seeing things like Free Britney, 567 00:26:48,530 --> 00:26:50,689 S4: what we're seeing things like, Oh, the media is treating 568 00:26:50,690 --> 00:26:53,360 S4: these people so badly. But right now it's flipped in 569 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,080 S4: such a way that you are the media. Hmm. Because 570 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,730 S4: of the accessibility. Yes. 571 00:26:58,910 --> 00:27:00,140 S2: You are your own media. 572 00:27:00,170 --> 00:27:03,230 S4: Exactly. And then you are commenting on people's pictures just 573 00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:05,150 S4: because you don't know them, just because you think the celebs, 574 00:27:05,420 --> 00:27:06,650 S4: you're driving them to the ground. 575 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,810 S2: Yeah. And most of the time on this nasty comments 576 00:27:08,810 --> 00:27:14,780 S2: come from accounts newly created. No profile pics. No followers. 577 00:27:15,290 --> 00:27:17,330 S2: Then come and leave all these kind of nasty comments. 578 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:18,170 S1: Who the hell are you? 579 00:27:18,410 --> 00:27:20,270 S2: And I've seen this somewhere a line that if you 580 00:27:20,270 --> 00:27:23,660 S2: can't offer anything nice, although your silence shut the fuck up. 581 00:27:25,550 --> 00:27:29,090 S1: Basically, basically, it's true. Yeah, not everything that you're saying. 582 00:27:29,090 --> 00:27:32,930 S1: It's OK to be sick or fully fully agree. So, yeah, 583 00:27:32,930 --> 00:27:33,260 S1: so 584 00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:35,720 S3: take the power back and you know it's OK if 585 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,460 S3: you make mistakes in the past. All of us here 586 00:27:37,460 --> 00:27:40,030 S3: have we might have, you know, left a nasty comment 587 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,520 S3: or something nasty in the past. But times change and 588 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,710 S3: we need to change with it as well. Hmm. 589 00:27:45,980 --> 00:27:48,970 S4: I think maybe sometimes it's in human nature, you know, 590 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,060 S4: to just think of something or, you know, make your 591 00:27:53,060 --> 00:27:55,370 S4: own judgments and things like that. But I think what's 592 00:27:55,369 --> 00:27:57,920 S4: more important is that if you're aware of it, like 593 00:27:58,190 --> 00:28:01,220 S4: if you think that this is something that's important and 594 00:28:01,220 --> 00:28:04,729 S4: it is that just catch yourself, you don't if you 595 00:28:04,910 --> 00:28:08,780 S4: think it, catch yourself and go, OK, hold up. And 596 00:28:08,780 --> 00:28:11,030 S4: just think of something nicer. You know, I mean, because 597 00:28:11,030 --> 00:28:12,320 S4: I think at the end of the day, it all 598 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,620 S4: boils down to everybody has problems that you don't know 599 00:28:15,619 --> 00:28:19,310 S4: of and you don't know what they're going through. And 600 00:28:19,310 --> 00:28:21,290 S4: you should just be kind when you can't because it 601 00:28:21,290 --> 00:28:22,129 S4: cost nothing. 602 00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:25,310 S2: Right, exactly. And I think the most, maybe when you 603 00:28:25,310 --> 00:28:27,619 S2: hang with the friends, you just gossip about it a bit. 604 00:28:27,770 --> 00:28:30,220 S2: There's no need to take it on social media or like, 605 00:28:30,470 --> 00:28:33,980 S2: comment on that person's photo or video, you know, and 606 00:28:33,980 --> 00:28:36,199 S2: make it like, publicly seen or heard. 607 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,709 S3: But I think we have really reached a new era 608 00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:43,550 S3: in and I think the 2015 was sort of a 609 00:28:43,550 --> 00:28:47,210 S3: turning point, to be honest. And and media outlets are 610 00:28:47,210 --> 00:28:51,170 S3: aware of their responsibility more now than ever of, you know, 611 00:28:51,170 --> 00:28:55,160 S3: whatever that they see could impact young minds everywhere. For example, 612 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,840 S3: you guys know Little Mix, right? When Jessie Nelson actually left, 613 00:28:58,850 --> 00:29:02,090 S3: it was huge news, but she had left because of 614 00:29:02,090 --> 00:29:04,580 S3: her mental health. If she had stayed any longer, I 615 00:29:04,580 --> 00:29:06,920 S3: don't think she even be with us right now. So 616 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,570 S3: she had to leave and everyone was so understanding, OK, 617 00:29:09,570 --> 00:29:11,510 S3: it was for her mental health. Let us give her 618 00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:14,000 S3: the space that she needs. All the fans were so 619 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,790 S3: supportive and that is something that I could never see 620 00:29:16,790 --> 00:29:18,400 S3: happening in the early 2000s. 621 00:29:19,210 --> 00:29:22,550 S2: Actually, have have think of it this way. And I've 622 00:29:22,550 --> 00:29:26,450 S2: heard of a love like K-pop groups, right? I can't 623 00:29:26,450 --> 00:29:28,340 S2: really remember. I think it was twice. One of the 624 00:29:28,340 --> 00:29:31,760 S2: members was feeling a bit like depressed and just all 625 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,740 S2: the time, and then she took a step back, and 626 00:29:33,740 --> 00:29:37,070 S2: the company also supported her decision. Oh, great. Like seeing 627 00:29:37,070 --> 00:29:39,080 S2: what you know, we'll give you a space. So you 628 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,420 S2: need to heal. Come back when you're ready. Oh, she 629 00:29:41,420 --> 00:29:43,880 S2: had stage fright. Oh my god. Well, someone who has 630 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,610 S2: been performing, dancing and singing all the time, she has 631 00:29:46,610 --> 00:29:50,450 S2: stage fright. Suddenly, this is this is something that's amazing. 632 00:29:50,450 --> 00:29:53,060 S4: That's amazing, because I actually know that you've mentioned that. 633 00:29:53,060 --> 00:29:56,060 S4: I remember something happening. I remember a couple of years 634 00:29:56,060 --> 00:30:00,470 S4: ago when Jillian from SHINee took his own life, right? 635 00:30:00,660 --> 00:30:03,030 S3: Oh my god created the one was really bizarre. 636 00:30:03,250 --> 00:30:06,590 S4: Yeah, it really is. And I think in an award 637 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,310 S4: show following that incident, I use his very good friend. 638 00:30:10,820 --> 00:30:13,610 S4: She went on stage and she she said something which 639 00:30:13,610 --> 00:30:15,739 S4: I think made everybody sort of just sit up and 640 00:30:15,740 --> 00:30:19,580 S4: listen for a minute. And she said, Listen, these people 641 00:30:19,580 --> 00:30:22,220 S4: are out there to perform for you, to make you 642 00:30:22,220 --> 00:30:25,730 S4: happy and to create for you. But in that process, 643 00:30:25,730 --> 00:30:28,580 S4: they need to heal themselves as well. You need to 644 00:30:28,580 --> 00:30:32,209 S4: know that the humans, they fall sick, they feel unhappy 645 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,540 S4: and they're allowed to feel unhappy, allow them to feel 646 00:30:35,540 --> 00:30:37,970 S4: these feelings because a lot of times they have to 647 00:30:37,970 --> 00:30:40,280 S4: portray themselves as perfect they have. The president himself is 648 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,910 S4: happy not to give it to Mr. Maliki's on cam. 649 00:30:43,220 --> 00:30:47,000 S4: That's crazy. And I think when she said that everybody 650 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,580 S4: just sort of set up for a minute and just listened, 651 00:30:49,580 --> 00:30:49,900 S4: you know? 652 00:30:49,980 --> 00:30:53,300 S3: Mm hmm. Definitely. I think it's a shock to everyone 653 00:30:53,300 --> 00:30:55,460 S3: as well that, you know, that whole thing happened. But 654 00:30:56,030 --> 00:30:59,000 S3: it's so important to understand how can we change to 655 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,590 S3: prevent more similar incidences from happening. So I think audiences 656 00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:05,840 S3: and media outlets are a bit more sensitive right now 657 00:31:05,870 --> 00:31:09,500 S3: to women's struggles with mental health. And the reason why 658 00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:11,720 S3: I think we struggle a lot more is because of 659 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,200 S3: gender based abuse. A lot of abuse is targeted at 660 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,020 S3: women and men. And while there is a lot of 661 00:31:18,020 --> 00:31:20,060 S3: change already, I think there's still more to be done, 662 00:31:20,060 --> 00:31:22,400 S3: especially if you know you are the owner of a 663 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,360 S3: media outlet. You need to set the agenda that you 664 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,110 S3: cannot do this. For example, just last week. Blake Lively 665 00:31:30,350 --> 00:31:34,460 S3: she's got two kids with Ryan Reynolds. The paparazzi have 666 00:31:34,460 --> 00:31:36,890 S3: been chasing her. Heads down trying to get a photo 667 00:31:36,890 --> 00:31:39,590 S3: of her kids and post it up without consent to 668 00:31:39,620 --> 00:31:44,270 S3: earn money for profit. And Blake Lively actually said. Here 669 00:31:44,270 --> 00:31:47,060 S3: is what we can all do collectively to stop this 670 00:31:47,060 --> 00:31:50,900 S3: from happening. Don't click in. Don't share it. Don't consume 671 00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:53,090 S3: the content if you don't give them the profit, they 672 00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:55,790 S3: can earn from it. If there is no demand for 673 00:31:55,790 --> 00:31:58,280 S3: that content, it will die because they need to find 674 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,950 S3: something where it is profit. Yeah. So she made a 675 00:32:00,950 --> 00:32:04,100 S3: statement and a caller to everyone in the world to 676 00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:07,130 S3: protect the kids and to protect women and children everywhere. 677 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,080 S2: Well, that is incredible. 678 00:32:09,230 --> 00:32:11,360 S3: So don't consume the content and they will not have 679 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:11,750 S3: a business. 680 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,460 S2: But I want to see see how the kids look like. 681 00:32:16,490 --> 00:32:17,690 S1: I know a lot, but 682 00:32:17,690 --> 00:32:21,620 S3: we're all human. And as long as we know which 683 00:32:21,620 --> 00:32:23,480 S3: way to go, I think change will 684 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,880 S2: happen and I think I remember a similar incident. I 685 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,760 S2: know Angela Bibi and Hangzhou mean, so they they have 686 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,490 S2: to keep Shanghai me a little sponge together. Very cute, 687 00:32:31,790 --> 00:32:37,370 S2: and they're very insistent on not letting him use his face, right? 688 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,040 S2: So that was one time like this reporter managed to 689 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,310 S2: take a photo like full face on all its face, 690 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,489 S2: and he posted it OK. While they were outraged, I 691 00:32:46,490 --> 00:32:49,070 S2: remember they were outraged. She took it to social media. 692 00:32:49,490 --> 00:32:51,960 S2: The reporter had to take down the photo and everyone 693 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,760 S2: was just on. Yeah. Everyone was just on Angela Baby Sigler, 694 00:32:55,790 --> 00:32:57,340 S2: and that was really nice to see. 695 00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:59,030 S4: But I think at this juncture as well, we also 696 00:32:59,030 --> 00:33:01,250 S4: want to see that, you know, we're focusing on while 697 00:33:01,250 --> 00:33:04,430 S4: we're focusing on like women, you know, the portrayal of 698 00:33:04,430 --> 00:33:06,530 S4: women in media and things like that. We do understand 699 00:33:06,530 --> 00:33:09,200 S4: that these things are happening to guys as well. Of course, 700 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,290 S4: of course rampantly. Yeah, I was just saying quite recently, 701 00:33:12,290 --> 00:33:16,340 S4: actually that I feel quite recently, I feel, especially in K-pop, 702 00:33:16,340 --> 00:33:18,380 S4: I think the guys are getting sexualized more than the 703 00:33:18,380 --> 00:33:23,060 S4: girls right now. Oh, it's just not OK. As much 704 00:33:23,060 --> 00:33:25,400 S4: as you know, we're trying to protect women right now, 705 00:33:25,550 --> 00:33:27,920 S4: and everybody's on the edge, right? News outlets, you know, 706 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,140 S4: when it comes to women, they're OK. They're very sensitive 707 00:33:30,290 --> 00:33:32,360 S4: because they know people will come at them. People come 708 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,010 S4: up to them. But I think at the end of 709 00:33:34,010 --> 00:33:37,750 S4: the day, it's a human thing. It's a decency thing. Yeah. 710 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:38,270 S4: So yeah, 711 00:33:38,300 --> 00:33:41,060 S3: not just women, but also how are men being portrayed 712 00:33:41,060 --> 00:33:44,240 S3: in the media? But yes, the rise of social media 713 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,960 S3: has definitely allowed these celebrities to gain control and have 714 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,690 S3: a direct channel to talk to their fans. That's right. 715 00:33:50,780 --> 00:33:53,210 S3: And to show their fans the struggles that they're going 716 00:33:53,210 --> 00:33:54,890 S3: through social media. 717 00:33:54,890 --> 00:33:58,130 S2: I think a lot of that messaging platforms ET as well, 718 00:33:58,130 --> 00:34:00,230 S2: you know, online you you don't have to have the 719 00:34:00,230 --> 00:34:03,840 S2: number of that celebrity. If you have like the username you. 720 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,680 S2: You guys can be like group chat. Did you do that? Yeah, 721 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,020 S2: I think in other countries, they do that quite a 722 00:34:09,020 --> 00:34:13,520 S2: bit like online or like on whatever website platforms that 723 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,210 S2: they use. And this is also a way for celebrities 724 00:34:17,210 --> 00:34:21,290 S2: to just get out there, communicate with the fans without 725 00:34:22,070 --> 00:34:26,419 S2: the influence of other platforms. All the other media channels, 726 00:34:26,420 --> 00:34:27,050 S2: for example. 727 00:34:27,170 --> 00:34:31,850 S3: Definitely. So they can control the story. They don't have 728 00:34:31,850 --> 00:34:34,219 S3: to go through these media outlets that will twist their 729 00:34:34,219 --> 00:34:37,700 S3: words and report something different. And I think that's the 730 00:34:37,700 --> 00:34:40,690 S3: biggest change in the last couple of years. 731 00:34:40,690 --> 00:34:41,540 S1: So let us 732 00:34:41,540 --> 00:34:46,969 S3: continue raising strong women to, you know, fight back against 733 00:34:47,420 --> 00:34:48,110 S3: the system. 734 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,169 S2: Yeah, exactly. I think we should always keep up our 735 00:34:51,170 --> 00:34:58,090 S2: positivity and, you know, don't leave nasty comments on social media. Besides, bekind, 736 00:34:58,100 --> 00:35:01,070 S4: you know, understand that the humans, if they're fat, they 737 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,080 S4: don't say, Oh, but you're supposed to be perfect, you're 738 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:03,910 S4: supposed to be happy. 739 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,930 S1: Yes, you are. Nobody's perfect, OK? 740 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,290 S2: Sometimes when I put up like a I'm so tired 741 00:35:09,290 --> 00:35:11,330 S2: like this to be what's on my story where I 742 00:35:11,330 --> 00:35:14,370 S2: feel bad for doing that. I think, Amy. I feel 743 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,049 S2: I feel like, Oh my gosh, am I like taking 744 00:35:18,050 --> 00:35:20,840 S2: up like more resources in Chinese. You quote in the show, 745 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,910 S2: which is again, like, you know, the past few months have, oh, 746 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,890 S2: we didn't have enough or like South Koreans, I shouldn't 747 00:35:27,890 --> 00:35:31,009 S2: be bothering people with all these kind of negative sentiments. 748 00:35:31,310 --> 00:35:33,720 S2: So sometimes I love you bit, but I bulls anyway. 749 00:35:33,930 --> 00:35:35,469 S1: OK, I'm laughing 750 00:35:35,540 --> 00:35:39,410 S3: when I see celebrities like, for example, Khloe Kardashian, when 751 00:35:39,410 --> 00:35:43,070 S3: I see her sharing openly about how her husband cheated 752 00:35:43,070 --> 00:35:45,830 S3: on her and stuff like that. That makes me feel 753 00:35:45,830 --> 00:35:46,640 S3: that you know 754 00:35:48,030 --> 00:35:50,310 S1: that I don't need. I don't. I don't. OK, just 755 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,040 S1: like that 756 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,100 S3: makes me feel that, hey, even the people that we 757 00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:57,469 S3: think are the strongest, the most perfect, they go through 758 00:35:57,469 --> 00:36:00,560 S3: these things as well. And it shows to your audience 759 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,080 S3: that we don't have to be perfect all the time. 760 00:36:03,290 --> 00:36:05,300 S3: They don't have to be perfect all the time. Yeah. 761 00:36:05,300 --> 00:36:08,270 S3: So it's hard to be vulnerable on social media, definitely. 762 00:36:08,270 --> 00:36:11,270 S3: But it does give people sort of like a sense 763 00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:14,040 S3: where he I think we are all just human. 764 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,580 S2: Yeah, exactly. And on that note, like I mentioned, the 765 00:36:16,580 --> 00:36:19,280 S2: past few months have been such like a have been 766 00:36:19,489 --> 00:36:22,940 S2: an emotional rollercoaster for so many of us, right? And 767 00:36:22,940 --> 00:36:24,440 S2: we just want to shout out like if you really 768 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,649 S2: need someone to talk to. Please talk to your teachers, 769 00:36:27,650 --> 00:36:30,830 S2: your family members, your friends, you know, make sure you 770 00:36:30,830 --> 00:36:32,510 S2: get these things off your chest. 771 00:36:33,230 --> 00:36:35,560 S4: Yeah. And I just hope you know that. At no 772 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,040 S4: point you feel like all but going to someone with 773 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,850 S4: my problems, they probably have their own problems. And being 774 00:36:42,070 --> 00:36:45,129 S4: a bother and being but as I told, you don't 775 00:36:45,130 --> 00:36:47,680 S4: feel that way because I feel like a lot of 776 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,989 S4: people will be more than happy to really just hear 777 00:36:49,989 --> 00:36:52,899 S4: you out. So don't discredit yourself that way and get 778 00:36:52,900 --> 00:36:53,710 S4: the help that you need. 779 00:36:53,860 --> 00:36:54,430 S2: Yes, exactly. 780 00:36:54,450 --> 00:36:57,969 S3: A true friend would always be a shoulder to cry 781 00:36:57,969 --> 00:36:59,380 S3: on and always a listening ear. 782 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,080 S2: You two always have my shoulder. OK, last night for 783 00:37:02,090 --> 00:37:03,730 S2: Jimmy and myself. OK? 784 00:37:04,090 --> 00:37:06,100 S1: Yeah. If you're really going on for a new high 785 00:37:06,570 --> 00:37:12,250 S1: I level. OK, OK. Thought that domain has grown, but 786 00:37:12,730 --> 00:37:14,610 S1: you know how to fight on behalf of me if 787 00:37:14,620 --> 00:37:19,040 S1: you want to get this tattoo? Oh, Austria, sorry. You 788 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:24,610 S1: said I said they know the whole crew look, and 789 00:37:24,690 --> 00:37:26,360 S1: you wonder that to look at us right now. 790 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,580 S3: But yeah, thank you very much for joining us for 791 00:37:31,580 --> 00:37:33,919 S3: our very first episode of season three. I think some 792 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,670 S3: of the key takeaways from today's discussion. So much has 793 00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:39,800 S3: changed in the media. There's still so much more to 794 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,880 S3: be done. But let's treat anyone that we meet as 795 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,000 S3: humans and not as objects. 796 00:37:46,190 --> 00:37:48,230 S2: Yes, and if you need a bit of positivity, you 797 00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:51,799 S2: can always follow us on. At its clever tackle, absolutely 798 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,319 S2: love the content details that day. You know, if you 799 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,170 S2: need some motivation, I think it scroll through the feet. 800 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,270 S2: I'm sure you'll find a quote that will help you 801 00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:59,600 S2: for that. 802 00:37:59,989 --> 00:38:05,750 S1: Yeah, all. I'll. OK. OK, well, we're so happy to 803 00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:07,070 S1: be back. My goodness. 804 00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:09,050 S3: So thank you very much for joining us in this 805 00:38:09,050 --> 00:38:12,170 S3: first episode of season three. Before we end off, let's 806 00:38:12,170 --> 00:38:15,350 S3: give them a very nice view on our new tattoo. 807 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:19,950 S1: We're all going to get. Yeah, I must be easy. 808 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:20,900 S1: Just like this. 809 00:38:20,930 --> 00:38:23,660 S3: OK. All right. Thank you very much for joining us 810 00:38:23,870 --> 00:38:26,210 S3: this episode and make sure you follow us on Instagram. 811 00:38:26,330 --> 00:38:29,239 S3: It's clarity. Call for more updates on his podcast. 812 00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:31,790 S4: That's right, and this is the first episode of season three. 813 00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:35,120 S4: You can binge watch, you can binge listen on Spotify, 814 00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:38,900 S4: Apple Podcasts, wherever you can see more podcast me listen 815 00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:42,319 S4: as well. And I've also heard that the people who 816 00:38:42,590 --> 00:38:45,230 S4: did listen to us on these platforms and then because 817 00:38:45,230 --> 00:38:48,230 S4: we mentioned certain things right, they go over to 818 00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:50,060 S1: YouTube to watch 819 00:38:50,780 --> 00:38:53,570 S4: visuals because you can see what we're talking about and 820 00:38:53,570 --> 00:38:55,790 S4: you know, so you can listen to us while you're 821 00:38:55,790 --> 00:38:58,130 S4: doing stuff. And then when you're a little bit more free, 822 00:38:58,130 --> 00:38:59,900 S4: you can go, What do you do when it's your 823 00:38:59,900 --> 00:39:00,190 S4: face 824 00:39:00,469 --> 00:39:04,460 S2: and your comments are always very much appreciate that nice comments. 825 00:39:04,460 --> 00:39:09,799 S1: I yeah, hopefully when we got feelings, Oh, we do 826 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,700 S1: cry already. I'm Hazel. I was there and I'm Donny, 827 00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:16,090 S2: and thank you for tuning in to this episode of Clarity. 828 00:39:18,090 --> 00:39:20,180 S1: All right, we have a song for you. That's right 829 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:27,020 S1: to celebrate Britney. Hashtag FreeBritney. Three two one. Oops, I 830 00:39:27,230 --> 00:39:33,259 S1: did it again. I played with your heart. Got lost 831 00:39:33,260 --> 00:39:40,880 S1: in the game. Oh, baby, baby. Oops! Oh, I got cut.