1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,660 Speaker 1: Hello says hello, Hey, it's zero. And I'm jermaine and 2 00:00:02,660 --> 00:00:02,950 Speaker 1: welcome 3 00:00:02,950 --> 00:00:05,979 Speaker 2: back to clarity's podcast. 4 00:00:05,990 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: New season, new things like this one good job guys, 5 00:00:11,930 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: Thank you for keeping us in business. Thank you as always. 6 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,340 Speaker 1: And today we wanted to talk about some news that 7 00:00:18,340 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: came out recently. I think we're all very excited for 8 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:21,090 Speaker 1: this one. 9 00:00:21,090 --> 00:00:23,349 Speaker 2: Super. I think jermaine is the most excited about it. 10 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: Okay. So recently researchers actually developed a new male birth 11 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:29,260 Speaker 1: control pill 12 00:00:29,340 --> 00:00:34,330 Speaker 1: that has shown 99% effectiveness on mice. Mice like to 13 00:00:34,330 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: to do do rats. Okay. So because it's so effective 14 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,210 Speaker 1: on mice, right? They're going to do human trials this year, 15 00:00:40,220 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: which means that it might be going to market sooner 16 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,650 Speaker 1: than we think to see if it's effective for like 17 00:00:45,650 --> 00:00:48,769 Speaker 1: male humans. Right? Because some siding some males are rats, 18 00:00:48,770 --> 00:00:49,350 Speaker 1: but not all. 19 00:00:49,540 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: Ah 20 00:00:52,340 --> 00:00:54,910 Speaker 1: I think some people are also quite skeptical to see 21 00:00:54,910 --> 00:00:57,470 Speaker 1: if these pills will even go to market. Like is 22 00:00:57,470 --> 00:01:00,130 Speaker 1: there a market for it? Do males want to use it? 23 00:01:00,140 --> 00:01:01,710 Speaker 1: I think I have left. No, I think it's not 24 00:01:01,710 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: a question of whether you want to or not let 25 00:01:03,530 --> 00:01:07,910 Speaker 1: very fierce. I mean, why should it be on us? 26 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:09,980 Speaker 1: It's been far too long. 27 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,539 Speaker 1: Good statement. Now this breakthrough I think is really quite 28 00:01:12,540 --> 00:01:16,310 Speaker 1: amazing since there are currently only two main contraceptive options 29 00:01:16,310 --> 00:01:18,860 Speaker 1: for guys vasectomies and condoms, 30 00:01:18,940 --> 00:01:21,470 Speaker 2: vasectomies. Permanent surgery based, right, 31 00:01:21,470 --> 00:01:25,490 Speaker 1: condoms could break, you know, who knows, affects the whole 32 00:01:25,900 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: feeling 33 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: question we want to unpack here today is how will 34 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:37,670 Speaker 1: this change affect women? Okay, first and foremost, What do 35 00:01:37,670 --> 00:01:40,490 Speaker 1: y'all think of male birth control pills? Honestly. 36 00:01:40,500 --> 00:01:43,050 Speaker 2: Well, the first question that comes to mind is are 37 00:01:43,050 --> 00:01:45,900 Speaker 2: there any like, hormonal changes when it comes to these pills? 38 00:01:45,910 --> 00:01:48,190 Speaker 2: Because I know for the female ones, right. You know, 39 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: it can bring about um, 40 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:50,860 Speaker 2: acne 41 00:01:50,870 --> 00:01:53,830 Speaker 1: depression, we gain and all that. 42 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,430 Speaker 2: So does this new pill have it or not? 43 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: So this new pill, 44 00:01:57,740 --> 00:02:00,220 Speaker 1: Previously there had been male birth control pills, but a 45 00:02:00,230 --> 00:02:03,770 Speaker 1: long list of side effects. This one a lot lesser. 46 00:02:03,780 --> 00:02:06,669 Speaker 1: Not zero, but a lot lesser. Okay, okay. I think 47 00:02:06,670 --> 00:02:09,780 Speaker 1: it's about time. So, I actually saw this online when 48 00:02:09,780 --> 00:02:11,690 Speaker 1: the news first came out. I think it's quite a 49 00:02:11,690 --> 00:02:16,140 Speaker 1: good analogy comparing male and female birth control pills, isn't it? 50 00:02:16,139 --> 00:02:20,859 Speaker 1: Better to unload the gun boom then to wear a 51 00:02:20,860 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: bulletproof vest. That's right. So you're shooting blanks rather than 52 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:26,820 Speaker 1: I wear bulletproof vests. I could still get injured. 53 00:02:26,830 --> 00:02:27,940 Speaker 2: Right. Right. Right. I 54 00:02:27,940 --> 00:02:30,829 Speaker 1: think that makes sense. Makes sense. So at the moment, 55 00:02:30,830 --> 00:02:34,950 Speaker 1: contraceptive methods are very much female targeted the responsibilities on 56 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:35,940 Speaker 1: our shoulders. Yeah, But 57 00:02:35,940 --> 00:02:37,170 Speaker 2: why? Because 58 00:02:37,169 --> 00:02:40,709 Speaker 1: pregnancy is seen as a female issue? I'm sorry. 59 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: It's not just the responsibility on the women. You know, 60 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,220 Speaker 2: it takes two hands to clap. Exactly. I think this 61 00:02:46,220 --> 00:02:48,450 Speaker 2: responsibility should be shouldered. Exactly. 62 00:02:48,450 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: Especially when the sperm is coming from you. She's very 63 00:02:51,370 --> 00:02:54,770 Speaker 1: aggressive today. I can tell she feels very strongly about this, 64 00:02:54,780 --> 00:02:57,490 Speaker 1: but why it's like a female issue? So, in the US. Right, 65 00:02:57,500 --> 00:03:01,419 Speaker 1: Um vasectomies are not covered under most major insurance really. 66 00:03:01,419 --> 00:03:03,260 Speaker 1: It's seen as a female thing 67 00:03:03,540 --> 00:03:08,130 Speaker 1: to prevent unwanted pregnancies. I get shocked by that. Yes, 68 00:03:08,130 --> 00:03:09,309 Speaker 1: I am angry. 69 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,049 Speaker 2: Yo in this day and age things should change. I 70 00:03:13,050 --> 00:03:15,370 Speaker 2: don't know what your thoughts are on this. But if 71 00:03:15,370 --> 00:03:16,970 Speaker 2: this pew really came onto the market, do you think 72 00:03:16,970 --> 00:03:17,810 Speaker 2: it would sell? Well, 73 00:03:17,820 --> 00:03:21,369 Speaker 1: honestly, right. I can't really say for all men. But 74 00:03:21,380 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: I did ask. Okay. Yes. Wait, let 75 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 2: me guess. 76 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:26,310 Speaker 2: I think 77 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:27,950 Speaker 1: he don't mind thinking 78 00:03:28,010 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: he would be okay with taking the pill. 79 00:03:30,169 --> 00:03:34,300 Speaker 1: Absolutely. I asked him like there's a male birth control pill. 80 00:03:34,300 --> 00:03:37,230 Speaker 1: Would you take this? He says he doesn't see why 81 00:03:37,230 --> 00:03:39,850 Speaker 1: not because it's gender equality, right? 82 00:03:39,940 --> 00:03:43,810 Speaker 1: Both parties should shoulder the responsibility of an unwanted pregnancy. 83 00:03:43,820 --> 00:03:47,510 Speaker 1: This is a sign of. Absolutely. And I think that, 84 00:03:47,510 --> 00:03:50,650 Speaker 1: you know, once it hits the market, there might be 85 00:03:50,650 --> 00:03:53,820 Speaker 1: people who have to convince their partners to take it, right? 86 00:03:53,830 --> 00:03:56,910 Speaker 1: And there's gonna be resistance to it. But no one 87 00:03:56,910 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: has to go to the female and say you have 88 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: to take it. You better take it. No guy does that, right? 89 00:04:02,170 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: I tell you if truly this goes to market, right? 90 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,310 Speaker 1: And you know, takes it or something, I would have 91 00:04:07,310 --> 00:04:09,140 Speaker 1: to remind him to take it every day. Right? That's 92 00:04:09,140 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: true because if you 93 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:10,780 Speaker 2: miss it, that's it, he 94 00:04:10,780 --> 00:04:13,110 Speaker 1: can't even remember to throw his things into the laundry basket. 95 00:04:13,110 --> 00:04:14,890 Speaker 1: You think he's going to remember to take this pill 96 00:04:14,900 --> 00:04:17,169 Speaker 1: is one of those, the laundry basket is right there, 97 00:04:17,170 --> 00:04:19,260 Speaker 1: but it stops till next to it on the floor 98 00:04:19,260 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: every single day anyway. 99 00:04:20,940 --> 00:04:24,020 Speaker 1: So I think we can all agree that shouldering this 100 00:04:24,020 --> 00:04:26,310 Speaker 1: responsibility is shared, right? 101 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,750 Speaker 2: But you know when I questioned some male friends about 102 00:04:28,750 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 2: this pill, they actually have a lot of concerns. The 103 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,630 Speaker 2: first being what I said just now, what side effects 104 00:04:33,630 --> 00:04:35,630 Speaker 2: are there? So, um, one of my friends, one of 105 00:04:35,630 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 2: my guy friends, very interesting, he says, he says if 106 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,740 Speaker 2: there's no side effects, he's open, but if it affects 107 00:04:40,740 --> 00:04:43,260 Speaker 2: birth rate and fertility in the future, 108 00:04:43,339 --> 00:04:44,850 Speaker 2: then he would not take it anymore. 109 00:04:44,860 --> 00:04:46,860 Speaker 1: Okay, well that's understandable. 110 00:04:46,870 --> 00:04:50,090 Speaker 2: And just another girl in the group chat, we had 111 00:04:50,100 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 2: only two girls in the group chat. She was like, hey, 112 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: not fair. Then my girls one got side effects. That's 113 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:54,740 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. 114 00:04:54,750 --> 00:04:57,869 Speaker 1: I know, right? You know how long the list of 115 00:04:57,870 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: side effects I should have brought my birth control pills. 116 00:04:59,850 --> 00:05:03,990 Speaker 1: It's literally like this really my height is like my height, 117 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,450 Speaker 1: the whole piece of people 56 cm and most of 118 00:05:07,450 --> 00:05:09,070 Speaker 1: us don't read it to be honest. 119 00:05:09,070 --> 00:05:11,589 Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. Another guy friend brought up a 120 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,050 Speaker 2: very good point that never crossed my mind. He said, 121 00:05:14,060 --> 00:05:16,670 Speaker 2: even if so he would still prefer to wear condoms 122 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,349 Speaker 2: for fear of stds. 123 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:19,050 Speaker 1: I was 124 00:05:19,050 --> 00:05:19,670 Speaker 2: like, yeah, 125 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:24,710 Speaker 1: I think if you're hooking up with people and strangers 126 00:05:24,710 --> 00:05:27,630 Speaker 1: and yes, but if you're in a committed relationship, I 127 00:05:27,630 --> 00:05:30,390 Speaker 1: think this pill is a lot more sense. 128 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,289 Speaker 2: Exactly. So I think all in all they still have 129 00:05:34,290 --> 00:05:36,750 Speaker 2: their reservations but they seem open 130 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,940 Speaker 2: to taking this after some serious consideration, which is I 131 00:05:39,940 --> 00:05:40,900 Speaker 2: guess a good sign. 132 00:05:40,910 --> 00:05:42,470 Speaker 1: It's a great sign. It means that you have the 133 00:05:42,470 --> 00:05:45,390 Speaker 1: right guy friends. You don't need to throw them away. 134 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:46,130 Speaker 1: one 135 00:05:46,130 --> 00:05:49,780 Speaker 2: even says she's just worried about the rate of the efficacy. 136 00:05:49,790 --> 00:05:52,050 Speaker 2: Like whether it really works or not. You know, we 137 00:05:52,050 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 2: don't want to end up in a mess after taking 138 00:05:54,170 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 2: the pills and still have to face the consequences. You 139 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:57,010 Speaker 2: know 140 00:05:57,010 --> 00:06:00,099 Speaker 1: What I mean? I guess nothing is 100%. Anyway. Right? 141 00:06:00,110 --> 00:06:01,650 Speaker 1: So let me ask you girls 142 00:06:01,740 --> 00:06:05,620 Speaker 1: what form of contraception are you currently on condoms? Okay. 143 00:06:07,540 --> 00:06:07,850 Speaker 1: Because 144 00:06:07,850 --> 00:06:09,659 Speaker 2: I single af 145 00:06:10,940 --> 00:06:14,430 Speaker 1: Yeah guys, I was waiting for a second but it's 146 00:06:14,430 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: a blessing to that. You don't have to worry about 147 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,390 Speaker 1: this hill. Yeah, I know some people who had an I. U. D. 148 00:06:20,390 --> 00:06:22,940 Speaker 1: Put in and then took it out when they wanted 149 00:06:22,940 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: to have a kid. So there's also like the contraceptive implant. 150 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:26,900 Speaker 1: Have you heard of 151 00:06:26,900 --> 00:06:27,930 Speaker 2: that? No. What's 152 00:06:27,930 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: that? 153 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,820 Speaker 1: Okay. Actually, I've had quite a number of people tell 154 00:06:30,820 --> 00:06:31,460 Speaker 1: me about it 155 00:06:31,740 --> 00:06:34,290 Speaker 1: and I know some people with it as well. So 156 00:06:34,290 --> 00:06:37,970 Speaker 1: it's basically here like on your arm under the skin, 157 00:06:37,980 --> 00:06:41,849 Speaker 1: it's like a little tube thing maybe like matchstick size 158 00:06:41,850 --> 00:06:43,659 Speaker 1: and you can feel it. Like I've had people like 159 00:06:43,670 --> 00:06:45,660 Speaker 1: you can feel your touch and I'm like 160 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:47,890 Speaker 1: but why the arm? No I don't know like what 161 00:06:50,500 --> 00:06:54,740 Speaker 1: maybe it goes into your blood or something. That sounds scary. 162 00:06:54,740 --> 00:06:57,570 Speaker 1: Honestly don't know how it works. But apparently it's a 163 00:06:57,570 --> 00:07:02,290 Speaker 1: contraceptive and it scares me right? Because it's invasive. Yes. 164 00:07:02,300 --> 00:07:05,230 Speaker 1: I'm very scared of invasive things like an I. U. D. 165 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,549 Speaker 2: Do you happen to know how much that costs? 166 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:12,050 Speaker 2: The contraceptive implant? O on the other hand the I. E. D. 167 00:07:12,050 --> 00:07:14,390 Speaker 2: Is something that you enter into your body to physically 168 00:07:14,390 --> 00:07:16,380 Speaker 2: prevent over from being fertilized, 169 00:07:16,380 --> 00:07:18,870 Speaker 1: right? So it goes into your cervix and it opens 170 00:07:18,870 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: like opens up like an umbrella and then it stops 171 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: the sperm from like what did you do? Swimming into fertilizer. 172 00:07:25,090 --> 00:07:26,350 Speaker 2: Is it hard to like 173 00:07:26,540 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: put it in and then like have it taken out 174 00:07:28,090 --> 00:07:29,540 Speaker 2: if you want to be pregnant after that? 175 00:07:29,550 --> 00:07:31,250 Speaker 1: It's not difficult but 176 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,010 Speaker 1: it is a procedure you have to go in and 177 00:07:34,010 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: get done and it only lasts for five years. Right? Really? 178 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,260 Speaker 1: I'm not wrong. 179 00:07:39,270 --> 00:07:41,310 Speaker 2: You mean the umbrella will dissolve and no no no 180 00:07:41,310 --> 00:07:44,580 Speaker 1: like you gotta get it change or whatever it is. Yeah. 181 00:07:44,590 --> 00:07:50,260 Speaker 1: Okay so condom, no contraception for hazy af personally I'm 182 00:07:50,260 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: on the pill. 183 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,290 Speaker 1: Yeah so I was on the pill for many years 184 00:07:54,290 --> 00:07:56,470 Speaker 1: but then I kind of weaned off it because I 185 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,059 Speaker 1: fell into depression to be honest. Like. Yeah, 186 00:07:59,170 --> 00:08:00,150 Speaker 2: it's because of the pills. 187 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: Yes, it was definitely because of the pills. Like weight 188 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: gain depression but I had to go back on it 189 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: because I had a cyst earlier this year, right? And 190 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,330 Speaker 1: my guy and he told me if you're on birth 191 00:08:08,330 --> 00:08:11,460 Speaker 1: control it's less likely that the cyst will recur again. 192 00:08:11,540 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: Right? But how 193 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,060 Speaker 2: long do you have to take it for then? 194 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: Forever? Really forever. But what 195 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:18,390 Speaker 2: about the side effects? 196 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,500 Speaker 1: It was very rough in the first couple of weeks, sorry. 197 00:08:20,850 --> 00:08:21,260 Speaker 1: But 198 00:08:21,340 --> 00:08:23,470 Speaker 1: um now it's a lot better. I think I'm learning 199 00:08:23,470 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: to regulate it and I'm older now too. So yeah, 200 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm in a better spot. You 201 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,010 Speaker 2: mean emotionally? Yes, like feelings really hit you. 202 00:08:31,020 --> 00:08:32,100 Speaker 1: They really hit me. Like 203 00:08:32,100 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 2: what about the physical like side 204 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: effects, physically? I felt a bit of nausea in the 205 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,550 Speaker 1: first two weeks, but after my first packet was okay. 206 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: Oh wow. I've never been on the pill ever. 207 00:08:41,210 --> 00:08:41,850 Speaker 2: Me too. 208 00:08:41,860 --> 00:08:47,740 Speaker 1: But I know mine is because I don't enjoy or 209 00:08:47,740 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: I don't really like introducing pills to my body. So 210 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: I don't think medicine when I'm sick. She's a hippie 211 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: la 212 00:08:55,340 --> 00:08:58,929 Speaker 1: Yeah. Unless it's really bad. I believe in natural healing. Okay, 213 00:08:58,929 --> 00:09:04,250 Speaker 1: that's another conversation altogether. Right. Yeah. But correct. So, okay. 214 00:09:04,250 --> 00:09:05,870 Speaker 1: For a long time. I think I've mentioned this before, 215 00:09:05,870 --> 00:09:08,620 Speaker 1: but for a long time my period is very irregular 216 00:09:08,630 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: and people have told me like, oh just get on 217 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,550 Speaker 1: the pill. It will regulate it. But I didn't. 218 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:14,870 Speaker 2: Yes 219 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:15,430 Speaker 1: it is. It's still 220 00:09:15,429 --> 00:09:16,059 Speaker 2: irregular. 221 00:09:16,140 --> 00:09:17,210 Speaker 2: Not 222 00:09:17,210 --> 00:09:21,150 Speaker 1: really. It's better now. It's self regulating. That's right. But 223 00:09:21,150 --> 00:09:23,010 Speaker 1: for me, the one thing is I always forget to 224 00:09:23,010 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: take it. So I really have to remember because every 225 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:27,390 Speaker 1: day like I take it at a different time, 226 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,750 Speaker 2: right? So you set a reminder in your phone life 227 00:09:29,750 --> 00:09:30,179 Speaker 2: that helps. 228 00:09:30,179 --> 00:09:32,990 Speaker 1: I miss it. I just swipe it away and then 229 00:09:32,990 --> 00:09:33,860 Speaker 1: go and do my things. 230 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,220 Speaker 2: Okay. So, but that's for jeremy. So for zero under 231 00:09:36,220 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 2: what circumstances would you consider taking 232 00:09:39,340 --> 00:09:41,819 Speaker 2: pills or I. U. D. S. Will there be any 233 00:09:41,820 --> 00:09:43,660 Speaker 2: at all, wow, 234 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: mm Not really. Like, hmm. I'm not fond of the 235 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,860 Speaker 1: pill because of the side effects. And you know, because 236 00:09:51,870 --> 00:09:54,130 Speaker 1: I really can't keep up and I won't take it. 237 00:09:54,140 --> 00:09:57,309 Speaker 1: Let's just be honest. Right? And I u d I 238 00:09:57,309 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: guess I'm not like 100% against it I think possible 239 00:10:02,770 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: maybe in the future. Who knows? 240 00:10:05,540 --> 00:10:10,010 Speaker 1: But like invasive surgery scares me a lot. Like a lot. 241 00:10:10,020 --> 00:10:13,359 Speaker 1: I mean, side note, so I got my um 242 00:10:13,940 --> 00:10:17,730 Speaker 1: Covid vaccination and media cop. And my first job, right? 243 00:10:17,740 --> 00:10:19,209 Speaker 1: I sat there, I looked at the guy and I 244 00:10:19,210 --> 00:10:22,329 Speaker 1: said you got a numbing cream we're talking about and 245 00:10:22,330 --> 00:10:25,949 Speaker 1: he looked at me and uh you're probably the first 246 00:10:25,980 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 2: really asked him that like she really 247 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,830 Speaker 1: did. Yeah. So I'm like deathly afraid, right. So as 248 00:10:31,830 --> 00:10:33,860 Speaker 1: far and as long as I can 249 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:35,660 Speaker 1: go without it, I think. 250 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,570 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll try to, well at least she uses condoms. 251 00:10:38,580 --> 00:10:40,929 Speaker 1: A lot of people in like very long term relationships 252 00:10:40,929 --> 00:10:42,390 Speaker 1: don't even bother using condoms 253 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,830 Speaker 2: because they may be prepared for the consequences. Right? 254 00:10:45,830 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: That's true, correct. But I also think that maybe a 255 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:50,290 Speaker 1: lot of people don't use condoms. A lot of guys 256 00:10:50,290 --> 00:10:53,650 Speaker 1: are resistant towards it towards condoms because it feels different 257 00:10:53,660 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: I guess. So. So thank you everyone. 258 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,250 Speaker 1: Actually, here's my question. You know how they always say 259 00:11:00,250 --> 00:11:02,500 Speaker 1: like there are some condoms ribbed for your pleasure on 260 00:11:02,500 --> 00:11:05,900 Speaker 1: the outside, right? Cannot repeat on the inside. Or so sorry, 261 00:11:05,910 --> 00:11:11,250 Speaker 2: how does that his pleasure? His pleasure. Wouldn't that be pleasurable? 262 00:11:11,250 --> 00:11:13,590 Speaker 1: That may be direct and ask them later. We do 263 00:11:13,590 --> 00:11:16,500 Speaker 1: some R. And D. And maybe have like, okay, let 264 00:11:16,500 --> 00:11:18,100 Speaker 1: me ask you girls, have you ever been like in 265 00:11:18,100 --> 00:11:21,060 Speaker 1: a situation right? Where you had a pregnancy scare? 266 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,510 Speaker 1: Yes. Don't just nod your head. Yes. 267 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:27,710 Speaker 2: Yes. 268 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:28,590 Speaker 1: We had a 269 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:29,750 Speaker 2: pregnancy scare. 270 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,750 Speaker 1: Yes, definitely. So many times the amount of times I've 271 00:11:32,750 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: taken a pregnancy test and thrown it away. Yeah. It's 272 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: sort of like a price you have to pay, you 273 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,420 Speaker 1: know for the pleasure. Oh my 274 00:11:40,420 --> 00:11:44,150 Speaker 2: God. Oh my God, is it really? No, but wait 275 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:46,580 Speaker 2: was this pregnancy scare? Because the guy refused to wear 276 00:11:46,580 --> 00:11:47,060 Speaker 2: a condom? 277 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: I generally don't like condoms also wire 278 00:11:52,650 --> 00:11:54,380 Speaker 2: I think the feeling just not the smell 279 00:11:54,380 --> 00:11:57,309 Speaker 1: sucks the latex, it's really, it's got 280 00:11:57,309 --> 00:11:59,860 Speaker 2: The strawberry Flavor one You could try before. 281 00:11:59,940 --> 00:12:04,140 Speaker 1: You mean you 1 1 can come 282 00:12:04,330 --> 00:12:05,589 Speaker 2: to some 283 00:12:05,590 --> 00:12:08,550 Speaker 1: people legitimately have latex allergies. Like my best friend has 284 00:12:08,550 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: a latex allergy so she can't. 285 00:12:10,410 --> 00:12:12,150 Speaker 2: Damn. How did you find out about that was 286 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:17,140 Speaker 1: just what she got a rash? Probably. Oh, but you've 287 00:12:17,140 --> 00:12:19,470 Speaker 1: never been with someone that like refused to wear a condom. 288 00:12:19,510 --> 00:12:22,170 Speaker 2: I mean if he refuses and I'm not comfortable, we 289 00:12:22,170 --> 00:12:25,059 Speaker 2: just don't go ahead with it. But I feel like 290 00:12:25,070 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 2: I'm someone who would also prefer it. 291 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:28,090 Speaker 1: Raw. 292 00:12:28,100 --> 00:12:31,620 Speaker 2: Raw, Raw. You know what I mean? But of course, 293 00:12:31,630 --> 00:12:35,060 Speaker 2: then you have to take other measures to make sure 294 00:12:35,059 --> 00:12:35,349 Speaker 2: that 295 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 2: you don't end up in a consequence that you don't 296 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:38,699 Speaker 2: want to be in LA. So 297 00:12:38,700 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: many years ago, I was hooking up with a guy, right? 298 00:12:41,650 --> 00:12:44,590 Speaker 1: This is surprising to me, he didn't have a condom 299 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: and like, I was like, whatever, 300 00:12:46,340 --> 00:12:50,220 Speaker 1: and he was like, no, let's not, never saw him again, 301 00:12:50,220 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: but like, I don't even know his name, but 302 00:12:53,340 --> 00:12:56,330 Speaker 1: but it was surprising for me because usually guys are like, correct, 303 00:12:56,340 --> 00:13:01,020 Speaker 1: let's go, kind of thing. Oh, wow, goodfellow, goodfellow, but 304 00:13:01,020 --> 00:13:04,349 Speaker 1: I don't know his name. All right, nice guy. 305 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,980 Speaker 1: So if they actually bring these male birth control pills 306 00:13:07,980 --> 00:13:11,050 Speaker 1: to the market, will it affect condom sales? 307 00:13:11,059 --> 00:13:13,900 Speaker 2: Of course there are substitutes, right? 308 00:13:13,910 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it doesn't stop stds that's the main thing, 309 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,939 Speaker 1: you'll have to remember. Right, correct, correct. 310 00:13:18,950 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 2: But as you mentioned that? It's less of a constant 311 00:13:21,450 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 2: if you are in a committed relationship. 312 00:13:23,370 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. Because I'm sure, like for most people and for 313 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,230 Speaker 1: most guys, you know, the condom is not their favorite thing, 314 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,420 Speaker 1: but they just do it because they have to it's 315 00:13:30,420 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: a responsibility, correct. So I guess if you present them 316 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,820 Speaker 1: another option that makes it more pleasurable for them, I 317 00:13:37,820 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: don't know if it will still be as pleasurable when 318 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,630 Speaker 1: they have to take the pill every day, Right? They 319 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:44,300 Speaker 1: might choose the option. 320 00:13:44,309 --> 00:13:46,060 Speaker 2: But do you think that 321 00:13:46,340 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 2: if the milk, birth control pills makes its release, there 322 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,510 Speaker 2: will be more responsible. 323 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,620 Speaker 1: It might be easier for them to share the responsibility. 324 00:13:54,630 --> 00:13:57,729 Speaker 1: I think any small change, right, will be a bigger 325 00:13:57,730 --> 00:14:01,380 Speaker 1: butterfly effect than we think it will be a question. Okay, 326 00:14:01,380 --> 00:14:04,740 Speaker 1: what if it's not a very good guy or not 327 00:14:04,740 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: a very nice 328 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:05,790 Speaker 2: guy, 329 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:07,459 Speaker 1: condom? You can see 330 00:14:07,740 --> 00:14:08,460 Speaker 1: bills, you cannot 331 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:13,370 Speaker 1: they lie? How? Okay, But then you see, let's say like, 332 00:14:13,380 --> 00:14:15,700 Speaker 1: this is this is by the way, this is what 333 00:14:15,700 --> 00:14:19,940 Speaker 1: drake does. I know this after he hooks up with females, right? 334 00:14:19,950 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: He pours hot sauce into the condom to kill the sperm. 335 00:14:22,850 --> 00:14:25,530 Speaker 1: So there was one situation where a female that he 336 00:14:25,530 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: had hooked up with actually like squeeze the whole thing 337 00:14:27,850 --> 00:14:32,070 Speaker 1: into her vagina because imagine you get pregnant with drinks. Maybe, 338 00:14:32,070 --> 00:14:35,020 Speaker 1: my God, you're set for life, right? And she got 339 00:14:35,020 --> 00:14:37,890 Speaker 1: a really bad reaction to it because he had put 340 00:14:37,890 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: hot sauce in the condom, But 341 00:14:39,930 --> 00:14:41,750 Speaker 2: what do you mean? She cannot see the hot sauce? 342 00:14:41,810 --> 00:14:44,580 Speaker 1: Maybe it always mixed. And she was like, I don't know, 343 00:14:44,580 --> 00:14:47,170 Speaker 1: drunk or whatever, You never know. I'm not judging, I'm 344 00:14:47,170 --> 00:14:51,650 Speaker 1: not saying anything, but clearly he knows how valuable his Perma, yep, 345 00:14:51,660 --> 00:14:52,550 Speaker 1: but you're right. 346 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,060 Speaker 1: Both females and males could lie about being on the pill. 347 00:14:56,140 --> 00:14:56,580 Speaker 1: Not just 348 00:14:56,580 --> 00:14:59,150 Speaker 2: that's one point I have never considered, but that's 349 00:14:59,150 --> 00:15:03,930 Speaker 1: true. Yeah, but that is what trust is in a relationship. 350 00:15:03,940 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: I 351 00:15:04,410 --> 00:15:06,979 Speaker 2: mean, if you're hooking up with someone for the night, 352 00:15:06,990 --> 00:15:09,510 Speaker 2: there basically is no trust in that person, isn't it, 353 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: then it's still best to use a condom, correct, 354 00:15:12,050 --> 00:15:14,210 Speaker 2: right? And they have to prevent stds, like you mentioned 355 00:15:14,210 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 2: just now. 356 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,930 Speaker 2: So there's been a mixed reaction online online discussion forums 357 00:15:17,930 --> 00:15:18,700 Speaker 2: about this murder 358 00:15:18,940 --> 00:15:23,170 Speaker 2: about this male birth control pills. Some people are saying like, 359 00:15:23,180 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 2: they're very skeptical about whether this would be even released 360 00:15:26,090 --> 00:15:28,330 Speaker 2: in the market or not, but I guess there are 361 00:15:28,340 --> 00:15:31,530 Speaker 2: also hopeful people who believes that, you know, this would 362 00:15:31,530 --> 00:15:33,410 Speaker 2: change their relationship for the better for 363 00:15:33,410 --> 00:15:36,090 Speaker 1: sure. I saw someone on reddit say I'm 40 years 364 00:15:36,090 --> 00:15:38,220 Speaker 1: old and I'm a married man, but if this comes out, 365 00:15:38,230 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: I'm definitely taking it because he feels like it should 366 00:15:42,290 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: be on his shoulders to not just on his wife's. Yeah, absolutely. 367 00:15:45,770 --> 00:15:49,090 Speaker 1: Most people are scared. Like, your friend Hayes's friend of 368 00:15:49,100 --> 00:15:52,890 Speaker 1: it affecting like sperm count, sperm counts and fertility in 369 00:15:52,890 --> 00:15:53,540 Speaker 1: the future, 370 00:15:53,550 --> 00:15:56,630 Speaker 2: But probably if you're in your 40s, maybe you already 371 00:15:56,630 --> 00:15:58,870 Speaker 2: have your family. Your said, you know, you just want 372 00:15:58,870 --> 00:15:59,050 Speaker 2: to 373 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:04,130 Speaker 2: enjoy each other's company without the responsibility of like having 374 00:16:04,130 --> 00:16:06,710 Speaker 2: another kid in the family. So maybe that will work 375 00:16:06,710 --> 00:16:09,030 Speaker 2: out because then sperm count with a method anymore. Right? 376 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,540 Speaker 1: That's true. That's true actually. So do you guys agree 377 00:16:11,540 --> 00:16:15,180 Speaker 1: that it makes more sense to have equal shared responsibility 378 00:16:15,190 --> 00:16:18,530 Speaker 1: when it comes to pregnancy prevention? Of course, Absolutely. 379 00:16:18,540 --> 00:16:20,350 Speaker 2: of course it takes two hands to clap 380 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,290 Speaker 1: And it takes two hands to also do other things. 381 00:16:23,300 --> 00:16:28,590 Speaker 1: But I feel like for a long time the responsibility 382 00:16:28,590 --> 00:16:31,410 Speaker 1: has been on the woman's shoulders because she's going to 383 00:16:31,410 --> 00:16:33,270 Speaker 1: be carrying the bump at 10 384 00:16:33,270 --> 00:16:34,030 Speaker 2: months. 385 00:16:34,030 --> 00:16:37,460 Speaker 1: Yes. And the guy gets to get away scot free. 386 00:16:37,470 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: They don't actually care if they knock you up. They 387 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,410 Speaker 1: can just disappear. Right? I mean, we know Dvds as well. 388 00:16:42,420 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: They've been dead. You know, something from my past. I'm 389 00:16:44,530 --> 00:16:47,910 Speaker 1: not with them anymore. You know? Thank God. Thank God 390 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,310 Speaker 1: there are some guys also who come from an angle 391 00:16:50,310 --> 00:16:53,180 Speaker 1: where or you don't want to get pregnant. You take 392 00:16:53,180 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: the pills law. It's your problem. Not a lot. But 393 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: not the guys who listen to his podcast. 394 00:16:58,450 --> 00:17:01,870 Speaker 2: I'm sure I'm sure you guys must be responsible boyfriends 395 00:17:01,870 --> 00:17:03,070 Speaker 2: or husbands 396 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:07,150 Speaker 1: the best guys on earth. Yes. Yeah. Because you're listening. 397 00:17:07,170 --> 00:17:08,230 Speaker 2: So 398 00:17:08,230 --> 00:17:12,479 Speaker 1: let's talk about communicating with your partner about contraception, right? 399 00:17:12,490 --> 00:17:14,450 Speaker 1: How do you even start this conversation? 400 00:17:14,460 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: No, I think it should be one of the most 401 00:17:16,050 --> 00:17:19,410 Speaker 2: open honest conversations that you ever have. Like in at 402 00:17:19,410 --> 00:17:21,740 Speaker 2: the start of a relationship, like you shouldn't even wait 403 00:17:21,740 --> 00:17:24,550 Speaker 2: till um your relationship is like, you know, 404 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,250 Speaker 2: past the honeymoon stage to talk about this because this 405 00:17:27,250 --> 00:17:28,450 Speaker 2: is very, very important. And 406 00:17:28,540 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 2: if you're not on the same page on this issue, 407 00:17:31,170 --> 00:17:33,810 Speaker 2: I think it may prove to be a challenge for 408 00:17:33,810 --> 00:17:35,260 Speaker 2: your future days. 409 00:17:35,270 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: I think it's a red flag. If the guy ever 410 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,270 Speaker 1: tells you like, oh, contraception is your problem. Oh yeah, 411 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:41,950 Speaker 1: for sure run runner. 412 00:17:42,940 --> 00:17:44,290 Speaker 1: It is, it is a bit of a of a 413 00:17:44,290 --> 00:17:47,219 Speaker 1: red flag because I feel that your sperm is the 414 00:17:47,220 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: bullet correct? Yeah. 415 00:17:48,810 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 2: But what if it comes to this tricky situation? The 416 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,770 Speaker 2: guy wants a baby, but the woman does not want, 417 00:17:55,780 --> 00:17:56,180 Speaker 2: but 418 00:17:56,180 --> 00:17:58,530 Speaker 1: this is a bigger conversation already or that you need 419 00:17:58,530 --> 00:18:00,619 Speaker 1: to have that one person wants to have a child, 420 00:18:00,619 --> 00:18:02,350 Speaker 1: the other one doesn't want to. Like that is a 421 00:18:02,350 --> 00:18:04,410 Speaker 1: hole is a bigger problem. You see 422 00:18:04,420 --> 00:18:05,859 Speaker 2: that's right. That's right. So I think 423 00:18:06,140 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 2: honest, open communication is very important. 424 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,060 Speaker 1: Yes, don't lie to your partners and if you guys are, 425 00:18:12,060 --> 00:18:14,270 Speaker 1: you know, hooking up and stuff like that, just make 426 00:18:14,270 --> 00:18:16,260 Speaker 1: sure that you practice safe sex 427 00:18:16,410 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 2: and set safe boundaries for yourself and for the other 428 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:19,810 Speaker 2: party as well. 429 00:18:19,820 --> 00:18:24,020 Speaker 1: Absolutely. So what are some of your final thoughts about 430 00:18:24,020 --> 00:18:26,669 Speaker 1: male birth control pills and this whole episode 431 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,010 Speaker 2: really, I think it's another step forward for women. You 432 00:18:31,010 --> 00:18:33,500 Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like, I feel like the introduction 433 00:18:33,500 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 2: of these pills can really help to um make men 434 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,140 Speaker 2: more responsible in preventing pregnancies. 435 00:18:40,150 --> 00:18:43,449 Speaker 1: It changes the whole mindset and perspective you see, right? 436 00:18:43,460 --> 00:18:46,859 Speaker 1: I read online human trials could take about two years. 437 00:18:46,940 --> 00:18:49,050 Speaker 1: So this might go to market maybe in a few 438 00:18:49,050 --> 00:18:52,090 Speaker 1: years time, Right? And then I also read online, the 439 00:18:52,090 --> 00:18:56,659 Speaker 1: first company that combines male contraceptive birth control pills with 440 00:18:56,660 --> 00:18:59,660 Speaker 1: Viagra is going to make a stupid amount of money. 441 00:19:00,740 --> 00:19:03,100 Speaker 1: Can we still enter this market if you want to 442 00:19:03,100 --> 00:19:08,570 Speaker 1: be a millionaire's join us, We're going to do that clever. 443 00:19:08,580 --> 00:19:11,490 Speaker 1: But I think, right, like as a whole, I think 444 00:19:11,490 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: this is great that you've got one more contraceptive option 445 00:19:14,810 --> 00:19:17,620 Speaker 1: and that, you know, it's one more option for the males, 446 00:19:17,630 --> 00:19:22,060 Speaker 1: not just the females. And if it really works out, 447 00:19:22,070 --> 00:19:24,459 Speaker 1: you know, if they really come up a good product, 448 00:19:24,540 --> 00:19:27,379 Speaker 1: they managed to lessen the side effects and everything. I 449 00:19:27,380 --> 00:19:31,109 Speaker 1: think it's great this would be the first male oral contraceptive, 450 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,430 Speaker 1: you know, method. I think we're living in a world change, right? 451 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 2: And I'm curious to know what our hearts podcast listeners 452 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,510 Speaker 2: think about this drop us a DM on instagram at 453 00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:40,609 Speaker 2: its clarity dot co 454 00:19:40,619 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: that's right. Go and ask your male friends, your partners 455 00:19:43,290 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: would they take this male birth control pill exciting. And 456 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,209 Speaker 1: I think this is a good conversation to have, you know, 457 00:19:48,220 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: early in your relationship just to suss out the guy 458 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,310 Speaker 1: as well. Are we going to cause people to break 459 00:19:52,310 --> 00:19:52,890 Speaker 1: up the 460 00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 2: better to know 461 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:55,869 Speaker 1: now you're not wrong. 462 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,250 Speaker 2: Honest conversations are very important again. 463 00:19:58,260 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: And with that, make sure to follow us on Spotify 464 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: me listen and Apple podcast to know when a new 465 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:04,959 Speaker 1: episode is up. 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