WEBVTT - Why are men embarrassed to talk about mental and physical wellness? 0:00:00.000 --> 0:00:03.500 Welcome back to another episode of Men explain. And I 0:00:03.500 --> 0:00:06.720 promise you this time around, he has nothing much to 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:10.280 explain because he looks clueless like the moment he walked in. 0:00:19.070 --> 0:00:23.239 Here's the thing men explaining. Haven't exactly gotten a very 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:25.700 good reputation in the last five years 0:00:25.790 --> 0:00:26.670 to make it better, 0:00:26.900 --> 0:00:30.160 make it better. I'm not here to explain. Not mansplaining. Yes, 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:32.860 exactly. That's the reason. That's the reason you're here. Please 0:00:32.860 --> 0:00:33.370 welcome 0:00:34.030 --> 0:00:35.930 Hey, what's good? What's good? What's good? 0:00:35.940 --> 0:00:39.270 Okay. I don't know what's been going on. But recently, 0:00:39.270 --> 0:00:41.410 all the shows that I've been hosting and you've been 0:00:41.409 --> 0:00:44.350 the guest on related to health related problems. 0:00:44.430 --> 0:00:46.150 It's like you guys want to tell me I'm old. 0:00:46.150 --> 0:00:48.280 But like you guys wanna hinted to me, you know, 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:51.090 it goes like what if your eyesight gets bad after 0:00:51.090 --> 0:00:52.800 you pass 35? I'm like, 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:53.640 does 0:00:53.650 --> 0:00:55.260 that sound like that? No, no, no. 0:00:55.260 --> 0:00:56.540 You don't 0:00:56.550 --> 0:00:58.060 usually 0:00:58.060 --> 0:01:02.050 passed 36. Your iris starts to lose power. What? And 0:01:02.050 --> 0:01:02.870 then this 0:01:02.870 --> 0:01:04.920 is on another show. Let's talk about health by the way. 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:08.100 Catch it still on me watch. Yeah. Past 0:01:08.100 --> 0:01:09.830 The 15 adds that. You have to go through. 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:14.360 Exactly. Exactly. But here's the thing. Here's the thing today 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:17.030 we're talking about something very 0:01:17.310 --> 0:01:20.720 very, very difficult to talk about amongst men. It's about 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:22.450 male menopause have 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:26.310 What's okay? I am not very familiar 0:01:27.230 --> 0:01:29.410 with male menopause. 0:01:29.420 --> 0:01:31.950 What do you think of the bets? What do you think? 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:33.170 Male menopause is. 0:01:33.180 --> 0:01:35.470 Listen sonia, I am obligated 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:36.770 by 0:01:36.770 --> 0:01:40.800 the mail, by the contractual mail. By the by the 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:41.950 male union. All 0:01:41.950 --> 0:01:43.240 right to 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:46.959 tell you that. Men don't suffer from any health issues 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:48.350 when it comes to 0:01:48.650 --> 0:01:50.870 anything below the waist? We're all good. We're fine. We 0:01:50.870 --> 0:01:51.940 can talk about it. It's very 0:01:51.940 --> 0:01:54.500 sensitive. This is why we need to talk about 0:01:54.510 --> 0:01:57.000 this. Is this is why. And now you're prying in 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:00.480 like the secrets right? Of of what we go through. 0:02:00.490 --> 0:02:03.410 I am not aware that men go through menopause. I 0:02:03.410 --> 0:02:05.340 didn't think so. I always thought it was a problem 0:02:05.340 --> 0:02:08.460 that didn't affect men. You know, we never used it, 0:02:08.470 --> 0:02:11.240 you know, to our advantage when we lose our temper. 0:02:11.250 --> 0:02:14.780 Excuse you 0:02:14.780 --> 0:02:16.850 see that? You see that first of all? 0:02:16.860 --> 0:02:17.950 Yeah. 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:21.160 So, so are you saying that you've experienced this before? 0:02:21.169 --> 0:02:23.769 Like with a partner or with you know family members? 0:02:23.780 --> 0:02:25.700 I would I would like to think that 0:02:25.700 --> 0:02:28.459 I'm very far from the age that would experience this. 0:02:28.460 --> 0:02:30.880 But the only thing I can do is just guess. Right? 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:33.510 So what I'm guessing you say is that when um 0:02:33.510 --> 0:02:37.350 when when a man experiences something at the point of 0:02:37.350 --> 0:02:41.810 his life where he is no longer um fertile. 0:02:41.820 --> 0:02:42.900 Right? I 0:02:42.900 --> 0:02:45.220 think menopause is when women are not fertile anymore. Right? 0:02:45.220 --> 0:02:47.340 That's just that's what that's what happens, right? 0:02:47.570 --> 0:02:49.680 You know, I'm not a biology. 0:02:49.690 --> 0:02:52.290 Biology just stopped bleeding away. 0:02:52.300 --> 0:02:53.660 No, no, no, no. Okay. 0:02:53.669 --> 0:02:56.190 What happens to men when men stop. Just don't bust 0:02:56.190 --> 0:02:56.710 nuts anymore. 0:02:56.720 --> 0:03:00.080 No. Okay. So that's the thing based on this? Based 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.440 on the little knowledge because we also did an episode 0:03:02.450 --> 0:03:05.850 on another, wow, can we zoom in on that one 0:03:05.850 --> 0:03:06.610 more time? This 0:03:06.669 --> 0:03:07.190 comes 0:03:07.580 --> 0:03:12.200 just nothing. No, but that's the thing, right? Because when 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:14.049 it comes to testosterone levels, 0:03:14.580 --> 0:03:18.130 it is a very real problem with some men and 0:03:18.130 --> 0:03:21.690 we know that things like testosterone deficiency syndrome, I'm talking 0:03:21.690 --> 0:03:23.380 like an expert, but it's all the stuff that I 0:03:23.380 --> 0:03:24.239 learned from the health show. 0:03:24.570 --> 0:03:25.489 Exactly, 0:03:25.630 --> 0:03:28.070 and a lot of guys may not even notice that 0:03:28.070 --> 0:03:33.070 they're going through menopause, that they're even experiencing symptoms of 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:34.360 male menopause. 0:03:34.370 --> 0:03:37.650 It's very difficult to talk about is keeping a straight face. 0:03:37.810 --> 0:03:39.610 So difficult, 0:03:39.620 --> 0:03:41.350 but you see the fact that so difficult, you're like 0:03:41.350 --> 0:03:42.390 masking it with laughter. 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:44.240 Yes, wow, okay, 0:03:44.710 --> 0:03:45.270 so 0:03:45.270 --> 0:03:46.740 here's, OK, so here's the thing, 0:03:47.130 --> 0:03:49.980 I don't know at what point of a man's life 0:03:49.980 --> 0:03:53.180 where they would normally be dealing with this experience, but 0:03:53.180 --> 0:03:56.360 I would assume that is generally when you pass a 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:59.290 certain age that I'm guessing maybe in the late thirties, 0:03:59.300 --> 0:04:03.210 there have been people who I can only speak for 0:04:03.210 --> 0:04:06.400 the community that I'm in, you know, um in the 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:09.170 community that I'm in, which is the which is the 0:04:09.170 --> 0:04:14.210 fight community, right? People who usually are some 0:04:14.223 --> 0:04:16.663 some of them experienced low testosterone, you 0:04:16.663 --> 0:04:17.013 know? 0:04:17.063 --> 0:04:21.503 Well, you know, I'm not sure why, I'm not sure why, 0:04:21.503 --> 0:04:26.513 I guess everybody's everybody varies when it comes to the health, respectively. Right? 0:04:26.523 --> 0:04:30.443 But the conversation of going to get your blood tested 0:04:30.452 --> 0:04:32.853 to test your test levels and to see if you 0:04:32.853 --> 0:04:36.782 can go for testosterone, like boost or replacement therapy is 0:04:36.783 --> 0:04:41.053 not an uncommon conversation amongst the people in the community really. 0:04:41.315 --> 0:04:42.176 Okay, 0:04:42.176 --> 0:04:46.026 so, so tell me more about these gym locker conversations. 0:04:46.036 --> 0:04:46.796 Okay, 0:04:47.356 --> 0:04:48.406 let 0:04:48.406 --> 0:04:52.076 me see, how do I, as I mentioned, the conversation 0:04:52.086 --> 0:04:55.386 of getting your test levels tested in the jujitsu is 0:04:55.386 --> 0:04:59.316 not something uncommon, and the reason is because I think 0:04:59.326 --> 0:05:03.546 as we reach a later stage of our physical health, 0:05:03.556 --> 0:05:06.416 we find that we, there are certain things that we 0:05:06.416 --> 0:05:08.390 do or 0:05:08.409 --> 0:05:12.039 Certain things that we want to achieve that are taking 0:05:12.039 --> 0:05:15.159 a slower time to happen as opposed to when you 0:05:15.159 --> 0:05:18.789 were younger. So when I was probably 19 or 20 0:05:18.789 --> 0:05:21.919 or maybe in my early 20s, the healing process of 0:05:21.919 --> 0:05:26.699 like a muscle sprain or a bruise even or or 0:05:26.699 --> 0:05:27.989 a pulled muscle 0:05:28.029 --> 0:05:29.179 bounce back immediately 0:05:29.178 --> 0:05:33.179 almost immediately, you know? But like I noticed that now 0:05:33.178 --> 0:05:35.490 it doesn't okay now I know which 0:05:35.502 --> 0:05:37.372 muscles I can hurt and which muscles will take a 0:05:37.372 --> 0:05:40.482 longer time to hurt. So I kind of for a 0:05:40.482 --> 0:05:42.262 very long time, I kind of understand my body really, 0:05:42.262 --> 0:05:44.662 so I understand that if, okay, so if I do 0:05:44.662 --> 0:05:47.652 this a certain workout and after like one day it's 0:05:47.652 --> 0:05:49.612 still so I know what to do to make this 0:05:49.612 --> 0:05:52.741 all go away, you know, So, but for the recovery 0:05:52.742 --> 0:05:56.012 runs and all that kind of stuff, but I wouldn't 0:05:56.012 --> 0:05:58.852 deny that the time that it takes for me to achieve, 0:05:58.851 --> 0:06:02.502 like 100% is slower than it was before? So 0:06:02.595 --> 0:06:05.235 I'm thinking actually to go get my blood tested to 0:06:05.235 --> 0:06:05.385 see 0:06:05.385 --> 0:06:06.125 my test level 0:06:06.595 --> 0:06:09.685 test levels. Yeah, I google a lot. So, and everybody, 0:06:09.695 --> 0:06:10.094 whatever 0:06:10.095 --> 0:06:10.985 your answer to everything, 0:06:10.995 --> 0:06:14.245 you know, everything you google is real. So when 0:06:14.255 --> 0:06:15.225 trustworthy. 0:06:15.235 --> 0:06:19.635 So so google tells me is one of the symptoms 0:06:19.645 --> 0:06:24.015 of low testosterone is when a man loses his sex 0:06:24.015 --> 0:06:24.705 drive 0:06:24.714 --> 0:06:25.585 and I haven't 0:06:25.585 --> 0:06:28.985 exactly been experiencing that problem. 0:06:28.995 --> 0:06:29.685 Okay, 0:06:30.110 --> 0:06:32.110 it's fine. This is an open book. 0:06:32.270 --> 0:06:35.020 Exactly. We're experiencing a problem. In fact, I've been experiencing 0:06:35.020 --> 0:06:36.370 the opposite of that problem. 0:06:36.380 --> 0:06:42.599 Okay, on that point now let's expand that point. No, 0:06:42.610 --> 0:06:44.910 but one of the, you know, okay, I hate to 0:06:44.910 --> 0:06:48.950 be talking about my hair, but one of the, one 0:06:48.950 --> 0:06:51.219 of the reasons why men lose hair is usually because 0:06:51.220 --> 0:06:53.330 they have high testosterone. This is what doctors, the doctor 0:06:53.330 --> 0:06:54.010 told me 0:06:54.915 --> 0:06:55.395 this 0:06:55.395 --> 0:06:56.115 means 0:06:56.125 --> 0:06:59.925 you 0:06:59.925 --> 0:07:04.395 shaved my choice, my choice. I never asked you. I 0:07:04.395 --> 0:07:04.865 never asked. 0:07:05.255 --> 0:07:05.965 So here we 0:07:05.964 --> 0:07:07.805 are. Again. I mean, why would I ask you that 0:07:07.815 --> 0:07:10.795 on all the interviews we've ever had. We've never brought 0:07:10.795 --> 0:07:11.235 this up. 0:07:11.245 --> 0:07:12.285 You never brought up my head 0:07:12.625 --> 0:07:13.415 actually, that was 0:07:13.415 --> 0:07:15.935 One of the reasons why I appreciated 97 because you 0:07:15.935 --> 0:07:16.705 never mentioned my, 0:07:16.745 --> 0:07:18.595 Just took five steps back, 0:07:19.500 --> 0:07:21.390 to be fair. He brought it up. He brought it 0:07:21.390 --> 0:07:23.270 out himself. I 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:26.920 want to know one of the symptoms of having to 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.390 higher testosterone is that you have hair loss? I 0:07:29.390 --> 0:07:31.739 had no clue. Did you, did you, did you hear 0:07:31.740 --> 0:07:33.410 this from a medical professionals, 0:07:33.420 --> 0:07:35.450 for doctors? So one of the things that you need 0:07:35.450 --> 0:07:38.370 to do to, to, to to regulate that is to 0:07:38.370 --> 0:07:40.010 take this pill called proficiency 0:07:40.075 --> 0:07:44.135 Propecia regulates your testosterone or maybe lowers it. But the 0:07:44.145 --> 0:07:46.975 problem is it kills your dick. So, 0:07:46.985 --> 0:07:48.095 so you 0:07:48.095 --> 0:07:50.695 want to have a full head of hair, right? And 0:07:50.915 --> 0:07:51.225 it's not 0:07:51.225 --> 0:07:52.595 working. You chose 0:07:52.605 --> 0:07:55.675 you. I chose, I chose, I chose, I chose, I 0:07:55.685 --> 0:07:56.495 chose I chose the 0:07:57.365 --> 0:08:01.045 so I 0:08:02.550 --> 0:08:04.200 so this is all going up. 0:08:04.210 --> 0:08:09.780 So, so now now that I'm here, right? I appreciate 0:08:09.780 --> 0:08:11.820 it and I've always realized that why I guess it, 0:08:11.830 --> 0:08:14.290 it answered my question as to like, okay, why when 0:08:14.290 --> 0:08:17.700 it comes to like sports, like I'm not the most athletic, 0:08:17.700 --> 0:08:19.360 but I'm also like not unathletic, 0:08:19.370 --> 0:08:22.160 you're like competitive as well and you enjoy the show. 0:08:22.170 --> 0:08:23.020 So 0:08:23.020 --> 0:08:25.010 I'm somewhere in the mid range and I'm like, okay, 0:08:25.026 --> 0:08:27.266 maybe this is why I'm not having problems with it 0:08:27.266 --> 0:08:31.426 because I have good test levels, right? But I'm not 0:08:31.426 --> 0:08:33.285 going to deny that as I reach an older stage 0:08:33.285 --> 0:08:35.196 of my life, I think to myself, I wonder what 0:08:35.196 --> 0:08:36.476 the test levels look like now, You 0:08:36.476 --> 0:08:39.226 know, there's a good thing that you're thinking about these 0:08:39.226 --> 0:08:42.396 things because for a lot of men, they may not 0:08:42.405 --> 0:08:45.516 even think of going to get such a test done right? 0:08:45.526 --> 0:08:47.256 You know, they may not even come to that, 0:08:47.682 --> 0:08:50.911 and also it comes in the little things to like, 0:08:50.912 --> 0:08:54.842 do you get irritated easily, you know, there's also like 0:08:54.852 --> 0:08:58.191 what is called irritable Male syndrome, as as what I 0:08:58.192 --> 0:09:01.321 heard is what I read earlier. Like you find yourself 0:09:01.412 --> 0:09:03.852 it's all news to me, Sonja, do you find yourself 0:09:03.862 --> 0:09:09.972 easily irritated, irritable, irritable? Yes, I am s 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:10.770 there's 0:09:10.780 --> 0:09:16.910 a there is a women suffer from that, like you 0:09:16.910 --> 0:09:19.350 get irritated by men like you need it, that's not 0:09:19.350 --> 0:09:23.650 a syndrome, it's effect, it's every day you're irritated 0:09:23.650 --> 0:09:26.170 by us, like shouldn't this effect you want? Okay, so 0:09:26.170 --> 0:09:28.530 when you say male syndrome, I assume that it is 0:09:28.530 --> 0:09:34.140 something that makes the man irritated more easily. 0:09:34.150 --> 0:09:34.650 So 0:09:34.666 --> 0:09:38.986 yeah, more than usual. So frustration, anxiety, you know, maybe 0:09:38.986 --> 0:09:43.216 you're having a meltdown or something that's that's hypersensitive in 0:09:43.216 --> 0:09:44.006 that point in time, 0:09:44.016 --> 0:09:46.736 I honestly don't know if I want to relate that 0:09:46.746 --> 0:09:52.076 to the to the snowball of things that happen or 0:09:52.076 --> 0:09:54.666 to me on the everyday like in life or I 0:09:54.666 --> 0:09:57.516 want to relate that to a chemical imbalance that is 0:09:57.516 --> 0:09:58.679 happening that will relate to 0:09:58.692 --> 0:10:01.002 what you're seeing right now, which is I. M 0:10:01.002 --> 0:10:02.222 s. I. 0:10:02.232 --> 0:10:04.662 M s because if there's one thing I've learned is 0:10:04.662 --> 0:10:07.782 you can't really blame, I mean it is not wise 0:10:07.812 --> 0:10:14.342 to blame behavior on chemical imbalance, so I'll try to 0:10:14.342 --> 0:10:16.062 be like you know what, maybe some things are happening, 0:10:16.062 --> 0:10:18.222 Maybe I need to fix those things around me first before. 0:10:18.222 --> 0:10:19.562 I blame it on the medical condition. 0:10:19.562 --> 0:10:22.720 Have you ever gotten yourself in a situation where 0:10:22.860 --> 0:10:25.309 you sort of implied? 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:26.630 Yeah, 0:10:26.640 --> 0:10:28.010 maybe because you're on a, 0:10:30.170 --> 0:10:32.470 I only said it once in my life to my, 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:36.140 to my housemate and she almost threw a rock at me. 0:10:36.150 --> 0:10:38.430 So I'm like, you're just proving my point. But 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:40.089 yes, I know, 0:10:40.090 --> 0:10:43.280 but that was the point where actually I laughed it off, 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:46.670 but I kind of realized that maybe I shouldn't 0:10:46.670 --> 0:10:47.200 have said that. 0:10:47.693 --> 0:10:47.723 I 0:10:47.732 --> 0:10:50.622 shouldn't have said that because she was being very, she 0:10:50.623 --> 0:10:53.023 was very irritable, you know, and I was wondering like, 0:10:53.023 --> 0:10:54.523 hey man, these are just little things why you so 0:10:54.523 --> 0:10:58.613 irritated you, You know, and she's like, what did you say? 0:10:58.673 --> 0:11:00.013 What? We could 0:11:00.013 --> 0:11:01.393 laugh it off because we are friends. But at the 0:11:01.393 --> 0:11:03.013 same time I did go back to my room and 0:11:03.023 --> 0:11:04.113 like I said 0:11:04.113 --> 0:11:06.333 that that was probably the moment 0:11:06.333 --> 0:11:07.333 where you thought 0:11:07.343 --> 0:11:08.963 that was kind of out of pocket. 0:11:09.123 --> 0:11:11.103 So 0:11:11.113 --> 0:11:12.343 back to what you were saying 0:11:12.766 --> 0:11:16.736 when it comes to irritable male syndrome. I don't exactly, 0:11:16.746 --> 0:11:20.266 I'm not exactly aware as to what that would be. 0:11:20.276 --> 0:11:22.716 So I've got some common symptoms over here. I'm going 0:11:22.716 --> 0:11:25.236 to read them out to see if you've ever felt 0:11:25.236 --> 0:11:26.556 this way any friends. 0:11:26.556 --> 0:11:27.396 Okay, let's go. 0:11:27.405 --> 0:11:31.246 Okay. Here we go. Um, easily irritable. We've already said 0:11:31.256 --> 0:11:35.596 hot flashes. Have you ever felt like a hot flash before. 0:11:35.606 --> 0:11:37.359 No good. You're good. 0:11:37.490 --> 0:11:39.240 How about reducing flushes 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:40.770 is like how how flushes is 0:11:40.770 --> 0:11:42.959 like I've never actually experienced that. So I don't really 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:43.290 know what 0:11:43.460 --> 0:11:45.530 you meet someone and you 0:11:45.530 --> 0:11:48.420 feel the warmth like creeping up your neck. Is it 0:11:48.440 --> 0:11:48.600 when 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:49.770 you're embarrassed? All right. 0:11:49.780 --> 0:11:52.490 Maybe maybe out of nowhere sort of 0:11:52.820 --> 0:11:53.820 hot flashes 0:11:53.830 --> 0:11:56.890 reduced energy. Do you ever not feel energetic? 0:11:56.900 --> 0:12:01.580 Yeah, but usually when I'm bored, okay, just like this 0:12:01.580 --> 0:12:02.520 is boring and then 0:12:02.530 --> 0:12:05.670 you're like, let me just know somewhere. Okay, low sex 0:12:05.670 --> 0:12:06.770 drive already talked about that. And 0:12:06.783 --> 0:12:08.503 you said you have no, no issues, 0:12:08.513 --> 0:12:09.973 no issues 0:12:10.083 --> 0:12:14.173 like a doctor. And also I think there could be 0:12:14.173 --> 0:12:16.923 a sign of like depression or anxiety and stuff 0:12:16.933 --> 0:12:17.833 like that. That could 0:12:17.843 --> 0:12:21.963 also be a sign of some imbalance or certain things changing. 0:12:21.973 --> 0:12:23.663 Just comedian syndrome. 0:12:23.703 --> 0:12:26.573 You know, when you say that like I get worried 0:12:26.573 --> 0:12:28.152 too because you know, 0:12:28.163 --> 0:12:31.483 the job of a comedian is to over is to, 0:12:31.482 --> 0:12:36.063 is to analyze something objectively and find the 0:12:36.076 --> 0:12:41.166 ridiculousness in in the same topic or the thing that 0:12:41.166 --> 0:12:45.006 they're observing. So it's hard for us to pretend sometimes. 0:12:45.016 --> 0:12:48.096 So because of that may be, it may lead to 0:12:48.096 --> 0:12:50.446 like certain levels 0:12:50.446 --> 0:12:51.706 of depression, but 0:12:51.716 --> 0:12:53.816 it's not things that I haven't managed. Like, I mean 0:12:53.816 --> 0:12:56.346 I still go to therapy and stuff. So so you know, 0:12:56.346 --> 0:13:00.516 and and, and and and therapy really helps, right, But 0:13:00.526 --> 0:13:03.626 I've never exactly been in a point in my life 0:13:03.626 --> 0:13:05.356 where I thought to myself, I need to 0:13:05.580 --> 0:13:08.980 I need to take something because I have a chemical imbalance, 0:13:08.980 --> 0:13:11.600 you know, but but I have been considering the test 0:13:11.610 --> 0:13:16.430 test testosterone test because I realized that if you boost 0:13:16.429 --> 0:13:19.980 your test, you know, you could get some dope muscles. 0:13:19.990 --> 0:13:21.150 So I'm thinking 0:13:21.900 --> 0:13:23.960 it's on some Captain America, you know, like 0:13:23.970 --> 0:13:26.340 you're gonna lose your beard after 0:13:26.340 --> 0:13:27.560 that. 0:13:27.570 --> 0:13:29.559 No, don't quote me on 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:31.650 that. Will I lose my beard? I got to ask 0:13:31.650 --> 0:13:32.100 the doctor, 0:13:32.130 --> 0:13:34.480 but real talk real talk. So you know, you you 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:36.720 talk about this and we talked about depression and how 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.510 it links to irritable male syndrome and all that. And 0:13:39.510 --> 0:13:41.700 I think sometimes because we see you 0:13:41.715 --> 0:13:44.345 persona, you know, you're always so happy go like you're 0:13:44.345 --> 0:13:47.035 making people laugh all the time. That must take a 0:13:47.035 --> 0:13:49.255 lot of energy out of you as well. Could it 0:13:49.265 --> 0:13:51.665 does it does it affect you in that sense? Do 0:13:51.665 --> 0:13:53.765 you think that sometimes you use it as a defense 0:13:53.775 --> 0:13:55.925 mechanism in real life? I think 0:13:55.925 --> 0:14:00.395 it's it's so like muscle memory at this point on 0:14:00.395 --> 0:14:01.515 one end, 0:14:01.700 --> 0:14:05.640 I would love for people to understand what's going on 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:08.140 in my head. But on the other hand, I feel 0:14:08.140 --> 0:14:11.770 a certain responsibility to make sure that they are entertained 0:14:11.770 --> 0:14:14.000 while they're listening to it. I don't believe in just 0:14:14.010 --> 0:14:17.489 protecting your brain from any kind of conflict 0:14:17.575 --> 0:14:20.575 To me that is like then you are really softening 0:14:20.575 --> 0:14:23.885 your your your character, you know, because if you protect 0:14:23.885 --> 0:14:26.145 your brain for everything and any single conflict that happens 0:14:26.145 --> 0:14:28.925 to you only you crumble into this spiral, then you're 0:14:28.935 --> 0:14:31.485 not allowing your brain to build any kind of resilience 0:14:31.485 --> 0:14:33.395 which is very harmful to you in the long run. 0:14:33.405 --> 0:14:36.545 So certain things I guess when when when when I 0:14:36.545 --> 0:14:37.675 grow I try to like 0:14:38.140 --> 0:14:40.350 die, die like you know when they say it's very 0:14:40.350 --> 0:14:42.750 toxic for men to always tell other men to suck 0:14:42.750 --> 0:14:44.500 it up. But at some level we kind of have 0:14:44.500 --> 0:14:46.800 to suck it up because the reality of the world 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.230 is the things cannot go if we don't suck it 0:14:49.230 --> 0:14:50.470 up to some level. You 0:14:50.470 --> 0:14:51.450 know to some 0:14:51.450 --> 0:14:53.790 level of course when it becomes harmful to us, then 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:56.590 men should really sit down and talk about it, you 0:14:56.590 --> 0:14:59.590 know and cry in no view of other women, you 0:14:59.590 --> 0:14:59.920 know like 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:03.890 just you know, your five closest 0:15:03.900 --> 0:15:07.420 five closest friends cry while you are the friends. You're 0:15:07.420 --> 0:15:09.890 so soft bro. It's not a very broad thing to 0:15:09.890 --> 0:15:12.310 do man, let's eat nails. That's 0:15:12.310 --> 0:15:14.340 exactly a typical conversation 0:15:14.350 --> 0:15:17.500 and watch some football Brochu. But 0:15:19.290 --> 0:15:25.520 but behind all that behind all that I I find 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:28.300 that that I think there is a certain level of 0:15:28.300 --> 0:15:31.670 mere responsibility for us to understand our position 0:15:31.810 --> 0:15:36.090 ah and find a balance between resilience and being open 0:15:36.090 --> 0:15:38.630 with your feelings. So going back to what you're saying, 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:42.120 which is irritable male syndrome or or things things things 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:44.410 that have to do with, with things that have to 0:15:44.410 --> 0:15:48.970 do with, like the male health, mentally and physically. It's 0:15:48.970 --> 0:15:51.190 difficult to talk about with other guys sometimes. 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:54.940 Yes, I do feel I sometimes will then like, we'll 0:15:54.940 --> 0:15:56.140 try and find a connection 0:15:56.162 --> 0:15:59.062 as to why let's see if I'm feeling depressed or 0:15:59.062 --> 0:16:03.282 in fact, if I'm feeling insecure about about myself, I 0:16:03.282 --> 0:16:04.842 feel like, okay, maybe I feel like I'm a little 0:16:04.842 --> 0:16:06.742 too old. I feel like I'm fat or I feel 0:16:06.742 --> 0:16:09.202 like I'm not, I don't look good and I'll be like, alright, 0:16:09.202 --> 0:16:12.022 what can I do to change these things? If I'm fat, 0:16:12.022 --> 0:16:14.862 then I think, okay, am I too fat? Right? Okay. 0:16:14.862 --> 0:16:16.202 I'm not too fat. I still can do it. So 0:16:16.202 --> 0:16:20.402 maybe I'll try and incorporate an active lifestyle. Okay, let 0:16:20.402 --> 0:16:20.492 me 0:16:20.514 --> 0:16:22.614 maybe we'll just not eat like a bastard. You know, 0:16:22.614 --> 0:16:23.014 maybe 0:16:23.024 --> 0:16:24.344 we'll 0:16:24.344 --> 0:16:27.604 just eat like a regular person 0:16:27.614 --> 0:16:28.334 for 0:16:28.334 --> 0:16:30.934 a change and not take spoon scoops of nutella and 0:16:30.934 --> 0:16:32.164 jam it in our throats. Like 0:16:32.174 --> 0:16:35.024 this is a personal story. I feel this is from 0:16:35.024 --> 0:16:36.514 some personal experience. Look at 0:16:36.514 --> 0:16:40.790 myself, jerry, spoon scoops of nutella in my face sometimes 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:41.740 and 0:16:41.740 --> 0:16:44.470 I just feel shame in my heart, that nutella in 0:16:44.470 --> 0:16:44.860 my hand. 0:16:44.870 --> 0:16:45.630 You 0:16:45.630 --> 0:16:50.250 see you see many chocolate many women are similar than 0:16:50.260 --> 0:16:52.010 in many ways. You know, we always talk about this 0:16:52.010 --> 0:16:55.150 entire show, right? We talked about how many women can 0:16:55.150 --> 0:16:58.320 be so different, but here's where we have officially bridged 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:00.340 the gap. Like you have just on behalf of your 0:17:00.340 --> 0:17:04.570 bros that you admitted to us that they were not 0:17:04.570 --> 0:17:07.420 that much different after all because for us girls were 0:17:07.420 --> 0:17:09.199 very open about these things. Like you know, 0:17:09.220 --> 0:17:11.580 if I'm, if I'm upset or I feel depressed or 0:17:11.580 --> 0:17:13.450 if I'm feeling down about it or I feel I 0:17:13.450 --> 0:17:15.859 feel fat or I feel ugly whatever. We voice it 0:17:15.859 --> 0:17:18.560 out super easily to our girlfriends and we can sit 0:17:18.560 --> 0:17:20.410 down and talk about it all day and we'll sit 0:17:20.410 --> 0:17:23.620 there and reassure you how beautiful you are all day. 0:17:23.630 --> 0:17:25.389 Do you guys do that for each other? 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:31.030 My surrounding takes the opposite approach. So I am the man, 0:17:31.030 --> 0:17:32.869 they're gonna so love this when you watch this. I 0:17:32.869 --> 0:17:33.570 am the, 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:36.100 you be the 0:17:36.100 --> 0:17:41.600 heaviest of the group, right? And they want to say 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:43.420 fat shape. They do, they fat shame but they fat 0:17:43.420 --> 0:17:46.710 shame with love. It's not fat shame that will leave 0:17:46.710 --> 0:17:50.149 me walking out of there feeling like ship, especially in 0:17:50.150 --> 0:17:52.240 that will leave me like, oh man, these guys are 0:17:52.250 --> 0:17:54.649 you know, they're, they're my friends, they're my real friends 0:17:54.650 --> 0:17:56.659 are such, there's such bastards. That's what they report me 0:17:56.660 --> 0:17:59.960 all the time. So and the thing is because it's 0:17:59.960 --> 0:18:00.800 always done with you 0:18:00.810 --> 0:18:04.280 Yeah, that it makes me aware of the situation, okay, 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:06.840 I'm getting a little heavy. I can, I can sense that, 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:10.619 you know, like for example, like if you're doing it doesn't, 0:18:10.619 --> 0:18:14.480 it has a lot of body pressure involved and then 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:16.679 sometimes I'm like, oh man, I could really feel the 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:21.889 pressure man, like stuff like that, you know, it's better 0:18:21.890 --> 0:18:23.340 or do you just get bigger? You know, that kind 0:18:23.340 --> 0:18:26.760 of stuff, you know? Yeah, and and and it's but 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:27.690 it's things that 0:18:28.270 --> 0:18:31.090 I guess in a way we keep each other in check. 0:18:31.100 --> 0:18:35.400 I wouldn't really call it shaming, even though we do 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:38.200 call it shaming among ourselves. But it's something that we 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:40.470 we understand, I guess to a point where like we 0:18:40.470 --> 0:18:42.610 don't want to allow our friends to like cross that 0:18:42.609 --> 0:18:44.369 line where it's like there's no turning back, you know, 0:18:44.369 --> 0:18:46.280 because it takes a lot of effort to get to 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:47.940 a point where you can turn back. So we're kind 0:18:47.940 --> 0:18:49.920 of like looking out for a friend, like you know, 0:18:49.930 --> 0:18:52.440 Like if you still want to do this spot is 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:53.850 gonna like, you know, if you want to fight at 0:18:53.850 --> 0:18:56.830 76 and 85, it's gonna be very hard for you 0:18:56.830 --> 0:18:59.260 to cut back to 76. So maybe just stay within 0:18:59.260 --> 0:19:00.880 the 78 range. You know that stuff 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:02.080 like that? That conversation 0:19:02.260 --> 0:19:05.139 conversation maybe just stay within the 78 80 range so 0:19:05.140 --> 0:19:07.130 that if you cut you only have to cut five kg, 0:19:07.140 --> 0:19:08.790 some stuff like that. So 0:19:09.170 --> 0:19:12.140 I started telling myself that, okay, you know what you 0:19:12.140 --> 0:19:14.880 live an active lifestyle, you know, you you do jujitsu 0:19:14.890 --> 0:19:18.179 and then, you know, I do stand up, you know, 0:19:18.180 --> 0:19:19.810 and a lot of the times that I have quite 0:19:19.810 --> 0:19:22.460 a healthy social life. So most of the time I 0:19:22.460 --> 0:19:26.360 don't think that if I'm doing all these things right 0:19:26.369 --> 0:19:29.490 then I shouldn't really be insecure about the outcome that 0:19:29.500 --> 0:19:30.530 it provides because 0:19:31.100 --> 0:19:34.550 you know, for you to achieve like the six pack 0:19:34.550 --> 0:19:36.980 washboard at body. Listen, it's too 0:19:36.980 --> 0:19:37.650 much, 0:19:37.660 --> 0:19:42.160 it's listen, like I wanted to but to maintain that 0:19:42.170 --> 0:19:43.530 is so 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:44.959 kind of 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:48.070 life that you have to live to maintain that it's 0:19:48.070 --> 0:19:50.250 just not aligned with what keeps me happy. 0:19:50.260 --> 0:19:52.639 This is the thing about men, right? Like a lot 0:19:52.650 --> 0:19:56.580 of the time an image or a wall is put 0:19:56.590 --> 0:19:57.139 up 0:19:57.170 --> 0:19:58.889 for a lot of people and I'm not saying all 0:19:58.900 --> 0:20:02.660 because I know of some like very you know, men 0:20:02.660 --> 0:20:04.050 who are very in touch with their feelings, so don't 0:20:04.050 --> 0:20:06.270 mind sharing, who don't mind admitting like oh yeah, I 0:20:06.270 --> 0:20:09.600 did this or spiraled or like that, or I feel fat, 0:20:09.609 --> 0:20:12.729 you know that kind of very open conversations but amongst 0:20:12.730 --> 0:20:14.820 men sometimes it's tough to talk about these things. Do 0:20:14.820 --> 0:20:18.150 you think it's embarrassing if you and your guy friends 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:21.490 ever raised the topic of like how your testosterone levels? 0:20:21.490 --> 0:20:21.580 You 0:20:21.580 --> 0:20:23.230 see the 0:20:23.410 --> 0:20:26.139 the issue here is I want to call it issue 0:20:26.140 --> 0:20:33.330 but the predicament here is that we're always were seen 0:20:33.340 --> 0:20:37.590 as we are only seen as the strongest and we 0:20:37.590 --> 0:20:40.000 are only seen as the most 0:20:40.340 --> 0:20:44.250 men when we are able to displace strength and we 0:20:44.250 --> 0:20:48.820 are able to provide. So any kind of weakness, whether 0:20:48.820 --> 0:20:52.970 it be emotional or physical will then indicate that there 0:20:52.970 --> 0:20:56.100 could be a possibility where we could not provide as 0:20:56.100 --> 0:20:58.689 much as we could before. Or we will become less 0:20:58.690 --> 0:21:00.940 of a provider and the lesser and lesser A man 0:21:00.940 --> 0:21:04.650 is able to provide the less leverage he has on 0:21:04.650 --> 0:21:08.370 the people around him. You know, like sad truth, la 0:21:08.380 --> 0:21:09.590 like if 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:13.619 if a grandfather is poor and his old, most of 0:21:13.619 --> 0:21:16.510 the time he is ignored, you know, he's not taken 0:21:16.510 --> 0:21:19.480 care of, but if it's a rich grandfather that has inheritance, 0:21:19.490 --> 0:21:23.879 everybody wants everybody suddenly care, want to take care of him, right? 0:21:23.890 --> 0:21:28.480 If he had not built that for himself to have 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.950 leverage over his kids and his grandkids, would they have 0:21:31.950 --> 0:21:34.090 shown him the same amount of love that if he 0:21:34.090 --> 0:21:35.080 was a poor grandfather, 0:21:35.090 --> 0:21:37.650 that's a that's a that's a big question. I think 0:21:37.650 --> 0:21:38.850 there are two ways of seeing it. 0:21:38.869 --> 0:21:40.670 I mean, that I don't disagree with you. I mean, 0:21:40.670 --> 0:21:44.420 I have also seen and witnessed such situations, such family 0:21:44.420 --> 0:21:48.270 situation before. But also I like to believe there's a 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:49.970 portion of people out there with a good head on 0:21:49.970 --> 0:21:51.679 their shoulders and that's 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:55.090 always that's always what we prefer to understand that I 0:21:55.100 --> 0:21:55.699 would like to 0:21:55.700 --> 0:21:57.980 know that there are people out there, I 0:21:57.990 --> 0:22:01.020 think maybe because you were related to the things that 0:22:01.020 --> 0:22:02.540 you see around you and the people you see around 0:22:02.540 --> 0:22:05.810 you and what I personally have observed is that okay 0:22:05.810 --> 0:22:08.119 once a man is unable to provide 0:22:08.430 --> 0:22:12.949 ah he slowly but surely loses his position among the 0:22:12.950 --> 0:22:13.619 people around him. 0:22:13.619 --> 0:22:16.170 It's interesting that you mentioned that like on that note 0:22:16.170 --> 0:22:18.290 because my friends and I were having this chat as 0:22:18.290 --> 0:22:20.590 well because you know our families, our moms or dads, 0:22:20.590 --> 0:22:23.550 our grandparents, you know, most of our grandparents may not 0:22:23.550 --> 0:22:26.609 even be around anymore, but our direct parents for example 0:22:26.609 --> 0:22:29.640 and aunts, uncles, they're getting older to a point where 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:32.510 maybe retired already, they're not working anymore. 0:22:32.680 --> 0:22:36.879 And one common factor that I found amongst my friends 0:22:36.880 --> 0:22:40.040 and I will be saying that our dads right? Some 0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:45.070 of their debts to are experiencing anxiety and depression because 0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:48.800 they feel like useless, you know what I mean? Which 0:22:48.810 --> 0:22:51.280 also relates to this because I feel like it isn't 0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:54.760 just about the age, it's also about feeling irrelevant or 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:56.480 feeling I cannot provide for my family 0:22:56.480 --> 0:22:57.540 anymore. That 0:22:57.540 --> 0:22:57.940 causes 0:22:57.960 --> 0:23:01.450 them to spiral into depressive feelings and could also lead 0:23:01.460 --> 0:23:02.649 to a lot of problems 0:23:02.650 --> 0:23:05.100 For 20 plus years. You were the man of the house, 0:23:05.100 --> 0:23:06.909 you were the source of income. You are the source 0:23:06.910 --> 0:23:10.040 of strength and you you are the protector, you know 0:23:10.040 --> 0:23:13.550 of this establishment that is called a family and then 0:23:13.550 --> 0:23:15.609 your kids grow up and then now they can do 0:23:15.609 --> 0:23:18.180 it for themselves and then then but then you don't 0:23:18.180 --> 0:23:20.320 have any upper hand because you've raised them to be 0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:23.250 better than you. So once they have become better than you, 0:23:23.650 --> 0:23:28.040 you don't feel like you are of any use anymore. 0:23:28.050 --> 0:23:33.950 And that is very common experience among older men and 0:23:33.950 --> 0:23:37.720 that will contribute to I guess the menopause or depression 0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:40.430 or the low testosterone and that will contribute to that. 0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:42.650 And the thing is, you know, based on some research, 0:23:42.660 --> 0:23:44.260 it is not as uncommon 0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:47.390 you think, and a lot of people go untreated because 0:23:47.390 --> 0:23:49.770 they don't even realize that this is connected could be 0:23:49.770 --> 0:23:53.730 connected to male menopause as we call it actually called. Andropause, 0:23:53.730 --> 0:23:58.200 but they may not even realize that right, which really 0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:01.109 gets me feeling quite emotional sometimes because I look at 0:24:01.109 --> 0:24:02.040 my own, you know, 0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:03.350 family members, my 0:24:03.350 --> 0:24:04.889 own uncles and it's like, 0:24:05.140 --> 0:24:06.900 well it's a very real thing. 0:24:06.910 --> 0:24:11.590 Yeah. And it's something that that that men experience that 0:24:11.590 --> 0:24:15.550 meant that the experience which is honestly, I don't know 0:24:15.550 --> 0:24:19.240 if it's in in in an asian and environment that 0:24:19.250 --> 0:24:24.250 you don't really talk about your feelings that much. You know, 0:24:24.260 --> 0:24:27.550 it's very difficult and so complex, you know, for for 0:24:27.550 --> 0:24:30.840 somebody to even begin to tell you why they are 0:24:30.840 --> 0:24:31.290 feeling that 0:24:31.300 --> 0:24:32.960 away at that point of their life. And it's very 0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:35.820 embarrassing also for for a man because like for us 0:24:35.820 --> 0:24:37.720 to be men, we have to be strong, we have 0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:40.959 to be, you know, we have to be complete, you know, 0:24:40.960 --> 0:24:44.750 and that indicates that we are less than complete and 0:24:44.750 --> 0:24:47.879 but how much lesser by a lot actually. And it's 0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:50.440 very embarrassing for us to expose that also, sometimes 0:24:50.670 --> 0:24:53.439 I know right? Like you mentioned that you go to 0:24:53.440 --> 0:24:57.450 a therapist. So a lot of men 0:24:57.460 --> 0:25:00.680 and and you know, even my own girlfriends and their 0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:03.760 their their partners, you know, sometimes they're resistant to the 0:25:03.760 --> 0:25:07.030 idea of going for therapy. I know it's still something 0:25:07.030 --> 0:25:10.419 that is slowly normalizing, opening up more people are going 0:25:10.430 --> 0:25:15.040 what pushed you to go for your first therapy session? 0:25:15.050 --> 0:25:17.639 I think I'm just trying to be responsible to the 0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:19.850 people around me. You know, like if I am feeling 0:25:19.850 --> 0:25:22.340 a certain way and if I am exhibiting certain kinds 0:25:22.340 --> 0:25:23.619 of behavior, I feel like 0:25:24.040 --> 0:25:27.700 ah of course I will understand that none of you 0:25:27.700 --> 0:25:31.699 would be equipped to handle it because you you can't, 0:25:31.710 --> 0:25:34.090 I can't expect you to sit down and pride through 0:25:34.100 --> 0:25:37.740 from start to finish what's going on, right? Um, fortunately 0:25:37.740 --> 0:25:40.760 for me, I I have the means, you know, and 0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:43.230 therapy is very expensive in Singapore for you to get 0:25:43.230 --> 0:25:45.750 a good therapist is very expensive. But I have, 0:25:45.760 --> 0:25:49.300 I have the means that I have the friend who 0:25:49.300 --> 0:25:51.619 opened up a company and he said, oh we're making 0:25:51.619 --> 0:25:54.990 it a little bit more affordable for people, right? And 0:25:54.990 --> 0:25:57.859 so when I went, not today, I've been to therapy before, 0:25:57.859 --> 0:26:00.640 but fortunately for me as a comedian, we are able 0:26:00.640 --> 0:26:04.340 to take things and dissect things objectively, right? So I 0:26:04.340 --> 0:26:05.669 was like I'm going to get my hours with, I'm 0:26:05.670 --> 0:26:07.480 going to do the dissecting by myself, 0:26:07.950 --> 0:26:10.160 really figure out the source and just come to you 0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:11.850 like this is the problem, 0:26:11.859 --> 0:26:14.780 how to fix their response. What was that? 0:26:14.940 --> 0:26:16.699 Like they 0:26:16.710 --> 0:26:19.340 cool story, but let me do it from not really, 0:26:19.340 --> 0:26:26.730 they were actually quite impressed that that I take away some, 0:26:27.010 --> 0:26:30.240 it's one thing, but also the ego that's evolved in 0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:32.710 you not wanting to see the real problem, you know, 0:26:32.710 --> 0:26:36.830 sometimes you there's that self denial in you that doesn't 0:26:36.830 --> 0:26:37.630 know is that, 0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:41.470 but you don't really want to see it. So so okay, 0:26:41.470 --> 0:26:43.600 so the reason why I went is because I wanted 0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:45.740 to be responsible to the people around me, I'm like 0:26:45.750 --> 0:26:47.540 I know the kind of why I'm bringing you know, 0:26:47.540 --> 0:26:49.580 and I know the kind of priorities that I'm putting 0:26:49.580 --> 0:26:52.860 and I am aware of how I'm making your feel, 0:26:52.990 --> 0:26:55.230 so I don't know how to fix it, I don't 0:26:55.230 --> 0:26:57.090 know why it's like that, but let me go and 0:26:57.090 --> 0:26:58.950 find out and I'll come back to you, so that's 0:26:58.950 --> 0:27:02.310 just me being responsible and me to be honest, low 0:27:02.310 --> 0:27:04.450 key expecting that from people who are like that around me, 0:27:04.470 --> 0:27:06.740 So if you're like that and I can't fix you 0:27:06.750 --> 0:27:09.560 and I expect you to like, okay, find that help 0:27:09.570 --> 0:27:12.540 for yourself so that we can we can be together 0:27:12.540 --> 0:27:13.910 again and communicate again, you know, 0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:17.000 not everyone is at that level of understanding though, I 0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:17.460 feel 0:27:17.470 --> 0:27:19.129 yeah, for a lot of 0:27:19.380 --> 0:27:22.389 it starts off with one thing the approval of the 0:27:22.390 --> 0:27:24.900 people around you, wanting the approval of like the audience, 0:27:24.900 --> 0:27:27.060 I wanted people to like you, so I think it 0:27:27.060 --> 0:27:30.020 started from, oh man, if I want people to keep 0:27:30.020 --> 0:27:32.020 liking me, I gotta find out what's wrong with myself, 0:27:32.030 --> 0:27:34.800 but then I soon realized that that's not a good 0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:36.940 motivation because you can't really control whether people like it 0:27:36.940 --> 0:27:38.810 or not, you kind of have to control whether you 0:27:38.810 --> 0:27:41.780 like yourself or not. So I started working on that instead. 0:27:41.790 --> 0:27:45.100 That's great advice coming from you because I've always thought 0:27:45.100 --> 0:27:45.740 about this, like, 0:27:45.940 --> 0:27:49.620 you know, we go to your shows and any sort 0:27:49.619 --> 0:27:52.700 of entertainment to unwind, to relax, to laugh, but who 0:27:52.700 --> 0:27:53.730 do you turn to, 0:27:53.740 --> 0:27:56.820 basically, I think for me, I'm a person that enjoys 0:27:56.830 --> 0:28:00.840 a social setting, I enjoy socializing, I enjoy laughing with friends, 0:28:00.850 --> 0:28:01.869 you know, and 0:28:01.869 --> 0:28:03.889 you turn to them in times of 0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:07.080 you're close to a lot of comedians out there as well, 0:28:07.090 --> 0:28:09.950 but do you guys talk about this kind of personal stuff, 0:28:09.960 --> 0:28:12.180 like if you're not, you know, you're curious about like, 0:28:12.180 --> 0:28:13.710 oh I'm not feeling too good bro, like 0:28:13.720 --> 0:28:16.459 we do, we do, we do, I think when when, 0:28:16.460 --> 0:28:18.609 when I was, when I experienced a lot of losing 0:28:18.609 --> 0:28:21.530 my life, a lot of comedians will come through and 0:28:21.530 --> 0:28:23.160 and they will, they will see and they will listen 0:28:23.390 --> 0:28:29.370 um a lot of times we, we give each other space, 0:28:29.380 --> 0:28:32.790 you know, to express ourselves, some of them are still 0:28:32.790 --> 0:28:36.030 not comfortable doing it I guess, but everybody varies that personally. 0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:38.970 I don't find any weakness anymore at this point I 0:28:38.970 --> 0:28:40.910 don't find any weakness in exposing your vulnerable side 0:28:40.940 --> 0:28:44.330 because to me is if I expose my vulnerable side 0:28:44.330 --> 0:28:45.660 to you, then there is no way that you can 0:28:45.660 --> 0:28:47.380 hurt me already because I have then used it as 0:28:47.380 --> 0:28:49.780 my strength, you know, I have used what I am 0:28:49.780 --> 0:28:52.330 insecure about or what I am worried that you will 0:28:52.330 --> 0:28:55.210 find out about and I've used it to my strength, 0:28:55.210 --> 0:28:57.730 I have shown you what could hurt me and if 0:28:57.730 --> 0:28:58.480 you still hurt me, 0:28:58.810 --> 0:29:01.440 it's fine because I've already said it already said it, 0:29:01.570 --> 0:29:06.330 so that's what a lot of the culture that we 0:29:06.330 --> 0:29:08.620 try and build, like, you know, if we could make 0:29:08.620 --> 0:29:11.600 fun of the things that hurt us, then at least 0:29:11.600 --> 0:29:14.050 it's within a safe space where we know we won't 0:29:14.050 --> 0:29:15.790 hurt each other too bad. So when we go 0:29:15.810 --> 0:29:18.660 go out and people ask, you know, we're ready and 0:29:18.660 --> 0:29:21.940 equipped for that, that is some kind of mental resilience building, 0:29:21.940 --> 0:29:24.650 but it's it's natural, it doesn't happen like because we 0:29:24.650 --> 0:29:26.700 want to be strong, it just happens because it just happens, 0:29:26.700 --> 0:29:26.830 but 0:29:26.830 --> 0:29:29.160 it's nice to know that you guys have the support 0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:30.810 system and you do it because I think from the 0:29:30.810 --> 0:29:32.790 outside looking in people are always wondering, 0:29:32.980 --> 0:29:35.410 wow, like you know, in the entertainment industry or like 0:29:35.410 --> 0:29:39.050 even comedians specifically, you guys never have a bad day, 0:29:39.060 --> 0:29:41.740 you know, people always think always of course, 0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:42.710 but that's 0:29:42.710 --> 0:29:45.990 the thing that people don't see about the entertainment industry, 0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:49.070 not even about you know, stand up, even in my 0:29:49.070 --> 0:29:50.870 line of work as well, I mean the amount of 0:29:50.870 --> 0:29:52.810 times joking and I have come into the studio and 0:29:52.810 --> 0:29:56.080 we had like the shittiest day ever or like you 0:29:56.080 --> 0:29:59.459 know either one of us got relationship problems just broke up, 0:29:59.460 --> 0:30:01.240 somebody did something, you know 0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:02.170 like you got to put on a 0:30:02.180 --> 0:30:04.030 you still have, you still have to 0:30:04.030 --> 0:30:05.520 go, you 0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:07.480 still have to play Miley Cyrus, you still have to 0:30:07.490 --> 0:30:08.750 Exactly, 0:30:10.980 --> 0:30:12.150 Black Eyed Peas is the one, I don't 0:30:12.150 --> 0:30:18.840 know what, so that's that's the thing, right? People just 0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:19.660 have this impression. 0:30:19.670 --> 0:30:26.450 Yeah, I think it's important for for for for us 0:30:26.450 --> 0:30:28.540 to even and this is one thing that I've realized 0:30:28.540 --> 0:30:30.810 that it's also very important if you want to maintain 0:30:30.810 --> 0:30:31.370 an environment 0:30:31.380 --> 0:30:33.930 that is healthy and that is that is healthy for 0:30:33.930 --> 0:30:37.170 you and it's interesting for you, if nobody is texting you, 0:30:37.180 --> 0:30:40.070 if nobody is showing you love then maybe it's your 0:30:40.070 --> 0:30:43.270 turn to show them, you know, maybe it's because receiving 0:30:43.270 --> 0:30:46.000 a message for someone just saying hi, how are you? 0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:48.540 What's up? Want to go out, it feels nice, right? 0:30:48.550 --> 0:30:50.860 If nothing is coming this way, then maybe you need 0:30:50.860 --> 0:30:53.480 to put the energy out, put the energy out because 0:30:53.480 --> 0:30:55.540 the outcome of it is something that you want. If 0:30:55.540 --> 0:30:58.200 you ask somebody out, somebody didn't ask you out. But 0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:00.250 because of ego, you don't want to ask the person out. 0:31:00.260 --> 0:31:00.570 But 0:31:00.580 --> 0:31:03.240 you think to yourself like, you know what, like I 0:31:03.250 --> 0:31:05.340 want to go out, you know, I wanted. So then 0:31:05.350 --> 0:31:07.540 you send out messages 0:31:07.550 --> 0:31:08.980 energy that you want to receive 0:31:08.990 --> 0:31:12.510 Eventually the five friends that you message or the 10 0:31:12.510 --> 0:31:12.910 friends 0:31:12.910 --> 0:31:14.190 that I mean, you know, this 0:31:14.190 --> 0:31:17.580 one will come through, right? Like this guy, but 0:31:17.590 --> 0:31:20.430 you're like, okay, this 0:31:20.430 --> 0:31:21.650 guy, this 0:31:21.650 --> 0:31:22.950 guy was hoping this will 0:31:22.950 --> 0:31:25.060 be the last choice, but 0:31:25.070 --> 0:31:25.840 then 0:31:25.850 --> 0:31:28.030 eventually you will have something to do. So I always 0:31:28.030 --> 0:31:29.770 believe that last time I used to wear 0:31:29.780 --> 0:31:32.220 and at the end of the day I'll be like, 0:31:32.230 --> 0:31:34.570 nobody's calling me, but then again, I'm not calling anybody. 0:31:34.580 --> 0:31:36.280 So how am I different from them? You know, 0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:39.500 Honestly, this is, this blows my mind because I've never 0:31:39.500 --> 0:31:41.970 actually sat down with you for a conversation like this before. 0:31:41.970 --> 0:31:44.850 I never knew this side of you and I don't 0:31:44.850 --> 0:31:47.790 want to of course attributed to, I mean where your 0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:51.290 millennial were both in the millennial stage, right? I feel 0:31:51.290 --> 0:31:53.560 like for millennials and gen z, they might be a 0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:56.630 little bit more open to talking about feelings and stuff. 0:31:56.640 --> 0:31:58.970 Do you think it's a generational problem 0:31:59.170 --> 0:32:01.780 and we're trying to slowly break away from that? Is 0:32:01.780 --> 0:32:03.140 that where you feel that 0:32:03.150 --> 0:32:09.690 way? You know, my dad doesn't necessarily talk about his 0:32:09.690 --> 0:32:11.870 feelings that much. I don't think he was raised in 0:32:11.870 --> 0:32:12.520 that environment. 0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:13.430 Exactly right. 0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:19.920 However, my mom has always promoted that among us, although 0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:24.030 she may not necessarily understand the complexities that that, that 0:32:24.030 --> 0:32:24.970 she's hearing because 0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:28.410 all her kids are in show biz so she doesn't necessarily, 0:32:28.420 --> 0:32:30.830 she tries to understand but I don't think she can 0:32:30.830 --> 0:32:35.720 fully grasp what's going on. Um as far as generation 0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:36.730 gap is concerned, like 0:32:36.940 --> 0:32:40.290 among some friends, I do see that that okay, it's 0:32:40.290 --> 0:32:43.610 hard for you to talk to your friends about feelings 0:32:43.610 --> 0:32:44.130 and stuff. But 0:32:44.130 --> 0:32:45.360 I am very, very 0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:49.110 pleasantly surprised by the number of people, especially in places 0:32:49.110 --> 0:32:51.910 that I wouldn't think exist. You know, like the fight 0:32:51.910 --> 0:32:55.750 world and they're very open with how things how things 0:32:55.750 --> 0:32:58.720 make them feel. But they always discuss it objectively. Not 0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:00.390 in a way like, like to me 0:33:00.730 --> 0:33:03.000 it's like you can talk about your feelings but I 0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:06.020 will never burden you with the what do I do? 0:33:06.030 --> 0:33:08.670 I always tell you like, okay, I am looking for 0:33:08.670 --> 0:33:11.690 a solution. You know, if I don't have a solution 0:33:11.700 --> 0:33:14.140 then I would ask if you could suggest anything, it 0:33:14.140 --> 0:33:16.070 will never be a dead end at the end of 0:33:16.070 --> 0:33:18.110 that conversation. That's what I'm saying and that's where I 0:33:18.110 --> 0:33:20.090 feel the burden comes? You know when somebody throws you 0:33:20.090 --> 0:33:24.270 like look at me and my problems and what do 0:33:24.270 --> 0:33:24.880 you want me to 0:33:25.430 --> 0:33:28.100 whatever you said all this to me when your life 0:33:28.100 --> 0:33:29.420 is sad and then the next day your life is 0:33:29.420 --> 0:33:31.540 sad again then the day after. And then slowly if 0:33:31.540 --> 0:33:32.780 you hear this person 0:33:32.790 --> 0:33:33.800 complaining and 0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:37.110 complaining and complaining, you will slowly distance yourself away from 0:33:37.110 --> 0:33:40.630 that and people will start distancing themselves because he's not here, 0:33:40.630 --> 0:33:42.680 she's not looking for a solution 0:33:42.690 --> 0:33:45.340 and they end up alone. And then when they end 0:33:45.340 --> 0:33:45.450 up 0:33:45.450 --> 0:33:47.770 alone, they spiral and they wonder like, oh I guess 0:33:47.770 --> 0:33:50.830 my life is sad. But the one thing that they 0:33:50.830 --> 0:33:52.160 fail to see is that 0:33:52.320 --> 0:33:54.910 people just need to see that you're trying to get 0:33:54.910 --> 0:33:57.550 yourself out and you have to verbalize that so that 0:33:57.550 --> 0:34:03.780 people know and being capable of verbalizing your feelings is 0:34:03.780 --> 0:34:06.020 one of the things that I think everybody should learn. 0:34:06.030 --> 0:34:09.130 You you don't have to use big words. You know, 0:34:09.130 --> 0:34:11.910 you can you can use the language that you understand, 0:34:11.910 --> 0:34:14.610 but it's always very important to sit with yourself and 0:34:14.610 --> 0:34:15.750 if you're not feeling good, 0:34:15.770 --> 0:34:19.650 you're saying like why what is it? And then and 0:34:19.650 --> 0:34:22.320 and be honest with the person that you think would 0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:24.370 not and that you know will not judge you based 0:34:24.370 --> 0:34:25.580 on how you feel right 0:34:25.590 --> 0:34:28.420 Now. I agree with you and I'm glad to hear 0:34:28.420 --> 0:34:30.560 that you know, in your various friend groups including the 0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:33.500 fight world, they are so open to chatting about these 0:34:33.500 --> 0:34:37.370 things because according to some interesting numbers that 0:34:37.380 --> 0:34:38.450 survey survey 0:34:38.530 --> 0:34:39.220 survey, 0:34:39.500 --> 0:34:45.130 60% of men only see a professional when symptoms become unbearable. 0:34:45.140 --> 0:34:45.680 So 0:34:46.260 --> 0:34:48.290 until oh, I really can't deal with it 0:34:48.290 --> 0:34:49.790 anymore. Are we still talking about menopause? 0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:55.010 Yeah, it could be anything. Honestly. It could be anything. 20% 0:34:55.010 --> 0:34:58.030 of men confessed that they only see a professional after 0:34:58.030 --> 0:34:59.130 their partners nag at 0:34:59.130 --> 0:35:01.730 them. That severe. 0:35:02.070 --> 0:35:06.030 Okay. Most men think or maybe this isn't my business. 0:35:06.030 --> 0:35:07.730 So I really don't have anything I want to say. 0:35:07.739 --> 0:35:11.950 But results differ from different generations. So the boomers prefer 0:35:11.950 --> 0:35:13.460 not to talk about health issues 0:35:13.480 --> 0:35:14.740 because they're going to die, but 0:35:14.750 --> 0:35:17.859 joe. But the gen X and millennials say that they 0:35:17.860 --> 0:35:20.320 have at least one friend that they can speak with 0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:24.240 regarding intimate health related issues, which is what you brought up. 0:35:24.250 --> 0:35:26.620 So I think a lot of experts and doctors out there, 0:35:26.620 --> 0:35:28.830 even though this is not primarily a health show, 0:35:28.850 --> 0:35:32.860 clearly we're just as clueless as the other. But a 0:35:32.860 --> 0:35:36.080 lot of professionals out there trying to educate men about 0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:39.910 taking care of their health better, especially their intimate life. 0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:42.110 It's very difficult to talk about sometimes. 0:35:42.110 --> 0:35:45.240 I think about like the like boomers right? Like parents 0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:48.220 sometimes I think about like think about them and when 0:35:48.219 --> 0:35:50.379 it comes to them and feelings they have spent so 0:35:50.380 --> 0:35:54.029 long of their lives getting through life without having to 0:35:54.030 --> 0:35:55.630 address their feelings Therefore, 0:35:55.640 --> 0:35:57.680 for them to do that at this point of their lives. 0:35:57.690 --> 0:36:01.310 It's too it's too late. It's too it's too much 0:36:01.310 --> 0:36:05.410 muscle memory and it's too much carelessness that has formed 0:36:05.420 --> 0:36:07.940 for them to even try and break the habit. 0:36:07.940 --> 0:36:10.310 So that's the thing. So when it comes to the 0:36:10.310 --> 0:36:12.830 older generation, it isn't even about men or women, whatever 0:36:12.830 --> 0:36:16.049 could be either I've got some relatives who, you know, 0:36:16.050 --> 0:36:19.010 they like chronic pain everywhere. It could be like that 0:36:19.020 --> 0:36:21.280 pain like this pain my feet, they cannot walk properly. 0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:22.420 Like climb stairs anymore. 0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:25.050 They will also have you gone for a checkup? No need, 0:36:25.060 --> 0:36:26.380 no. 0:36:26.390 --> 0:36:28.930 They're like, no, I want to find out. It's okay. 0:36:28.940 --> 0:36:32.040 So it's the mentality like maybe they're already pushing 70 0:36:32.040 --> 0:36:33.520 or 70 plus. They're like, you know what? Forget it. 0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:35.950 I just want to know anymore. I'm just gonna live 0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:37.810 the rest of my life in pain because 0:36:37.810 --> 0:36:38.680 once you find out 0:36:38.690 --> 0:36:42.239 and then your brain starts to think, you 0:36:42.239 --> 0:36:45.049 deteriorate. So that could be the reason why they don't 0:36:45.050 --> 0:36:45.920 want to share too 0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:47.000 much. You 0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:49.450 know, it's not just a pride thing, right? You know, 0:36:49.450 --> 0:36:51.500 I'm so glad that we saw this different side of 0:36:51.500 --> 0:36:54.410 you here today fuzz, it's been great. It's been great 0:36:54.410 --> 0:36:54.730 and 0:36:54.890 --> 0:36:56.820 I don't I don't know what to expect coming into 0:36:56.820 --> 0:36:59.500 this podcast, we've done a good amount of stuff together. 0:36:59.500 --> 0:37:02.860 I've interviewed you many times, always about different things. You know, 0:37:02.860 --> 0:37:06.250 you're very hype. You know, usually in a setting like 0:37:06.260 --> 0:37:08.469 this is just got a new show, Tell us about 0:37:08.469 --> 0:37:11.759 yourself first internet, you know with a fake plant behind 0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:16.350 the rug. My shelf behind here. That's very intellectual. So 0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:18.799 what some what are some tips you want to share 0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:20.529 with your bros out there? You see, 0:37:20.610 --> 0:37:24.029 you seem to have grasped the concept pretty well of 0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:27.030 you know, not just understanding yourself, but also the dynamic 0:37:27.030 --> 0:37:29.880 amongst your your other guy friends as well. Anything you 0:37:29.880 --> 0:37:32.489 want to share with with our dudes out there, 0:37:32.500 --> 0:37:33.950 I think what's most important for a lot of men 0:37:33.950 --> 0:37:36.830 to understand is that we have to see what is 0:37:36.830 --> 0:37:41.020 the main objective whenever we're feeling uneasy or we're feeling 0:37:41.020 --> 0:37:45.360 disturbed by something negative. So for example, if you are 0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:46.320 feeling 0:37:46.510 --> 0:37:50.580 jealous, it's because let's say if you're feeling jealous when 0:37:50.580 --> 0:37:54.280 your when your partner is talking to someone else, um 0:37:54.290 --> 0:37:57.310 the jealousy doesn't just stem from her talking to someone else. 0:37:57.310 --> 0:38:00.359 It also stems from the insecurity that you are feeling 0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:03.030 towards yourself and you are, it stems from the fear 0:38:03.040 --> 0:38:05.960 of you losing her to someone better than you because 0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:08.050 you don't feel like you're good enough. It stems from 0:38:08.050 --> 0:38:08.530 you 0:38:08.790 --> 0:38:12.150 fearing that everything that you've built with this partner, it 0:38:12.150 --> 0:38:15.060 will be ruined based. You know, just just this is 0:38:15.060 --> 0:38:19.180 just one example, right? Because of a temptation. So when 0:38:19.180 --> 0:38:22.589 you create that narrative in your head, it brings you 0:38:22.590 --> 0:38:25.630 to a worse place than if you actually went up 0:38:25.630 --> 0:38:28.920 to her and was honest with your feelings and it's 0:38:28.920 --> 0:38:32.100 very important that you communicate and tell them that this 0:38:32.100 --> 0:38:35.360 is not an attack when you do this, this is 0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:36.290 how I feel, 0:38:36.510 --> 0:38:39.040 you know, and I guess it's still a two way 0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:41.879 thing where where they will be like, would you like 0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:45.129 me to reassure you that this wouldn't happen and and 0:38:45.130 --> 0:38:48.469 then that you opened up the possibility for her to 0:38:48.469 --> 0:38:51.430 do that, you know, just by speaking to her or 0:38:51.430 --> 0:38:54.589 just by addressing your feelings and take that concept 0:38:54.730 --> 0:38:56.589 and apply it to the many things that you could 0:38:56.590 --> 0:38:58.320 do in your life. That's just one concert which is 0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:00.940 relationships when you were talking about work, you know, you 0:39:00.940 --> 0:39:03.529 can always be honest with the people at work, even 0:39:03.540 --> 0:39:06.890 if the honesty means that it makes you look like 0:39:06.900 --> 0:39:11.890 you are you it makes you look vulnerable sometimes. That 0:39:11.900 --> 0:39:18.469 is that sometimes that move can can propel you forward 0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:22.089 because now you are in a more comfortable space to 0:39:22.090 --> 0:39:24.140 move If you if I'm making sense. 0:39:24.670 --> 0:39:29.620 Talking about relationship issues or emotional related stuff, it's for 0:39:29.620 --> 0:39:31.810 men also like when it comes to the health issues 0:39:31.810 --> 0:39:33.980 and the mental health issues as well, you know, most 0:39:33.980 --> 0:39:37.300 physical and mental, it can be very challenging to bring 0:39:37.300 --> 0:39:39.640 up and I think you brought up some very good 0:39:39.640 --> 0:39:44.120 points as well being open and honest, it never hurts, 0:39:44.140 --> 0:39:44.640 it never 0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:47.540 hurts. In fact, I mean the cliches will set you free. 0:39:47.540 --> 0:39:50.680 You know, it really does a lot of times because 0:39:50.690 --> 0:39:52.380 at the end of the day we, 0:39:52.640 --> 0:39:58.330 the the ego doesn't really pay, it doesn't, you know, 0:39:58.330 --> 0:40:02.790 the returns you get from keeping your ego is, it's 0:40:02.790 --> 0:40:05.590 not really worth it. It's not really worth anything. 0:40:05.590 --> 0:40:08.509 And these health issues, you know, both mental and physical 0:40:08.510 --> 0:40:11.930 could happen to anyone at any age, You know, and we, 0:40:11.930 --> 0:40:14.470 I personally know a guy that's even younger than me 0:40:14.469 --> 0:40:17.649 who's have, who's suffering from certain issues 0:40:17.660 --> 0:40:19.620 and he did not want to open up about it 0:40:19.630 --> 0:40:23.480 for three years, three years he suffered and did not 0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:26.140 speak to anyone until he found a trusted friend to 0:40:26.140 --> 0:40:27.830 talk to. So you're absolutely 0:40:27.830 --> 0:40:30.540 Right. Yeah. Physical. Like I started bawling at 25 and 0:40:30.550 --> 0:40:33.080 40 year old. How old are you again? Yeah 0:40:33.090 --> 0:40:35.450 just like I did this by 0:40:35.450 --> 0:40:38.870 choice. But then when I found out the reason I'm like, man, listen, 0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:39.870 that's my 0:40:39.870 --> 0:40:42.680 reason. I tell you what, I'm losing this hand. 0:40:43.370 --> 0:40:45.380 Let me tell you what, I'm 0:40:45.390 --> 0:40:46.630 happy to tell you 0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:47.750 first. 0:40:47.750 --> 0:40:49.660 Thank you so much for joining us here today. And 0:40:49.660 --> 0:40:51.600 if you're tuning in right now, thank you so much 0:40:51.600 --> 0:40:54.180 for listening to this episode of men explain. If you 0:40:54.180 --> 0:40:57.040 enjoyed it, please hit the follow button were available on 0:40:57.040 --> 0:40:58.920 Spotify and Apple podcasts. 0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:01.400 Yes. And I forget to follow its clarity dot co 0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:04.950 on instagram and Tiktok where we show you all these Tiktok. 0:41:05.060 --> 0:41:07.860 We don't follow us anyway. Who knows? 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