WEBVTT -  Are you always saying 'yes' even when you’d rather not?

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, Tao.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, it's Aura and I'm Jermaine

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome back to another episode of Gravity. Hash.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, if you're tuning into this episode and you find

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<v Speaker 1>that you're the type of people who always say yes,

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<v Speaker 1>when you more rather say no, this app is for you. Ok.

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<v Speaker 1>In today's episode, we are diving deep into the art

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<v Speaker 1>of people pleasing and why we often get stuck in

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<v Speaker 1>this

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<v Speaker 1>cycle.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's something that afflicts a lot of us

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<v Speaker 2>we brought on an expert today. This is a people

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<v Speaker 2>pleaser life coach. She specializes in that, but not only that,

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<v Speaker 2>she's also a certified sound healing practitioner. She is a

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<v Speaker 2>relationship coach and an entrepreneur. Please welcome V

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for having me here. Ok? I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't call myself an expert, but yeah, I am running

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<v Speaker 2>my own little company mainly doing sound healing and also coaching,

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<v Speaker 2>specializing in relationships and people pleasing behavior. So this company

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<v Speaker 2>of mine, it's called Infinity because I believe that there

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<v Speaker 2>are infinite ways to heal. And my name starts with

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<v Speaker 2>V Yeah, it's just like that. I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>V for what I'm guessing, Vanessa. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>Vanessa. Well, I love that. And you know, I've always

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<v Speaker 2>been very intrigued by like chakra work spiritual healing and Reiki.

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<v Speaker 2>So very interested to pick your mind today and also

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<v Speaker 2>on how we can heal from being a people pleaser.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And I feel like people pleasing is a trait that's

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<v Speaker 1>very evident, especially in Asian cultures or Asian countries. I

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<v Speaker 1>would call myself a people pleaser.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So would

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<v Speaker 1>I

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<v Speaker 2>right. You just want to

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<v Speaker 2>appease someone else like and in Asian culture, you're very polite,

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<v Speaker 2>you just go out of your way to help someone

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<v Speaker 2>else kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I

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<v Speaker 1>think you're taught from young to always like think about

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<v Speaker 1>others feelings, what they may think and I think we

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<v Speaker 1>carry that with us and it becomes these behaviors.

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<v Speaker 2>So v what is people pleasing to you? OK. So

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<v Speaker 2>people pleasing is a behavioral tendency whereby we tend to

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<v Speaker 2>put the needs, wants and

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<v Speaker 2>of others over our own at the expense of our

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<v Speaker 2>own mental wellness and our boundaries. So this is characterized

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<v Speaker 2>by behavior such as over apologizing, oh my God, just

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<v Speaker 2>me saying yes, just to maintain the peace, not expressing

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<v Speaker 2>our true thoughts and just going along with what everybody wants. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>you tend to don't really have a sense of self.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a bit harsh to say like you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have a sense of self. I sometimes feel like

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<v Speaker 2>it's almost like you have a need to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just want to make peace and sometimes you forget what

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<v Speaker 2>you really want at the sake of appeasing others.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>You tend to lose the sense of self that was

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<v Speaker 2>once there. Yeah, that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a range

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<v Speaker 1>to this. Right. I mean, you know, it's not one

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<v Speaker 1>size fits

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<v Speaker 1>all

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<v Speaker 2>right.

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<v Speaker 2>Not

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<v Speaker 1>so an example this year I was going through the

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<v Speaker 1>renovation for my place and everything and I was constantly

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<v Speaker 1>texting my ID. I did not realize that I was

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<v Speaker 1>over apologizing like for every text I sent him, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be like, oh, I'm so sorry. Can you help me

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<v Speaker 1>with this? Oh, I'm so sorry. Can you help me

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<v Speaker 1>with that? And two weeks he was like, yes, yes. OK. OK.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll do this. I'll do that and last but not

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<v Speaker 1>least stop saying sorry. So

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<v Speaker 1>he actually he

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<v Speaker 1>brought that up

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<v Speaker 1>up to me and I was like, oh, I did

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<v Speaker 1>not realize I was saying sorry, like with every text

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<v Speaker 1>that I sent

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<v Speaker 1>him, why do we do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I find myself doing that every time I ask

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<v Speaker 2>for a favor or even if it's not a favor, right?

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<v Speaker 2>It's something that the other person is supposed to be doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel sorry for inconveniencing them. Why is that such

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<v Speaker 2>a common thing? It's that lack of self worth. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of us are stuck in this thought whereby

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I'm worth a lot, like

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<v Speaker 2>maybe deep down inside to a certain extent there is

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of insecurity and that longing for external validation

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<v Speaker 2>is actually pretty common.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it because we feel

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<v Speaker 1>like we're being an

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<v Speaker 1>inconvenience

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<v Speaker 2>to a certain extent? But there's no hard and fast rule.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really shocked, mortified. I am mortified. So you're saying

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<v Speaker 2>that we over apologize because we feel like we're not

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<v Speaker 2>enough to a certain extent deep down inside. It's something

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<v Speaker 2>that we don't really think about

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<v Speaker 2>subconscious. I mean, like in Singapore it's quite a fast

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<v Speaker 2>paced lifestyle. How often do we just sit back and

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<v Speaker 2>reflect on how it is that we are behaving? What

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<v Speaker 2>is the, why behind why we do things, even the

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<v Speaker 2>apologizing part. Why do you always start, do you over apologize? Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>In the past, I did this a lot, a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>But when I started becoming a bit more conscious of

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<v Speaker 2>like starting my sentences with sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Then

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<v Speaker 2>I realize why am I sorry?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need to be sorry. I find this a

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<v Speaker 2>lot in Asian cultures and especially with women. Like when

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<v Speaker 2>I went to America every time I wanted to get

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<v Speaker 2>past in the hour I'd be like, sorry, sorry. Excuse me?

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<v Speaker 2>They'd be like, you're fine just to apologize. I was like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's true. I don't have to apologize. Why am I saying? Sorry?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just trying to get past. Right. But it's almost

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<v Speaker 2>like it's like a habit. It's come so naturally. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I think

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<v Speaker 1>we're taught here as well that it's a polite thing

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<v Speaker 1>to say and we don't actually realize that we're apologizing,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that way. You

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<v Speaker 1>not as a sorry, like an apology. Exactly. Using it

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<v Speaker 1>because it sounds polite and sometimes it even becomes like

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<v Speaker 1>a conversation starter. Like, even in, let's say our radio

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<v Speaker 1>DJ S life will be like, sorry, what time are

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<v Speaker 1>we coming back on air? Yes. Sorry. What time are

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<v Speaker 1>you playing this song? But why do we have to

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<v Speaker 1>say sorry, sorry, ask

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<v Speaker 1>you,

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<v Speaker 2>ah it's one of the ways to combat that to

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<v Speaker 2>replace it with a different word like, excuse me or

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<v Speaker 1>like, hey, what time are we come back?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, hey, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>hey, yo, auntie, can you move out of the way

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<v Speaker 2>that works too? Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>that works. But do you find like this people pleasing thing?

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<v Speaker 1>It's more common in women than in men

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<v Speaker 2>actually to me? Yes, but it is not a gender thing.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, there are certain origins of people pleasing that

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<v Speaker 2>are more catered to men. There's this thing called the

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<v Speaker 2>f dead paradigm. So that one is more for guys

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<v Speaker 2>having to fit in the roles of a father, the

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<v Speaker 2>man of the house at an early stage. So that

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<v Speaker 2>one not so much for women, but in general, in

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<v Speaker 2>my coaching sessions, I like to talk about this thing

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<v Speaker 2>called people pleasing styles. So there are quite a number

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<v Speaker 2>but the one that I feel a lot of women

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<v Speaker 2>fall under would be this dissociative people pleasing. So what

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<v Speaker 2>happens over here is that people are controlled by this

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<v Speaker 2>idea of what they're supposed to be, this identity, a

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<v Speaker 2>perceived identity, which could be the good girl, the girl

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<v Speaker 2>who always keeps her mouth shut, the girl who loves

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<v Speaker 2>to help around the house, the one that will be

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<v Speaker 2>a good housewife in future, you know, and we are

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<v Speaker 2>stuck with that. And I mean, even in school, like

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<v Speaker 2>for me, at least when I was younger, I still

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<v Speaker 2>remember it was in kindergarten,

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<v Speaker 2>I would see the boys are always the ones getting scolded.

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<v Speaker 2>They're always running around, very happy making a lot of noise.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the teachers would be like, look at the

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<v Speaker 2>girls over there, they're so quiet.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have been taught since young that that's the

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<v Speaker 2>good image to reward you for that behavior. I think

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<v Speaker 2>this is very apt you know, on what Azura said

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<v Speaker 2>that people pleasing is a spectrum and maybe a lower

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<v Speaker 2>end of the spectrum are things like over apologizing. But

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<v Speaker 2>at the higher end of the spectrum, it could shape

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<v Speaker 2>your entire life because you want to please society or

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<v Speaker 2>you want to fit into a mold and you go

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<v Speaker 2>into something that you don't even like just to please

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<v Speaker 2>people please your parents please society. Yeah. So one of

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<v Speaker 2>the origins and

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<v Speaker 2>the origin of people pleasing is called the loading cycle.

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<v Speaker 2>So in the loading cycle, you are lauded, you are

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<v Speaker 2>praised for fitting into that norm that may not really

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<v Speaker 2>be you, but you were taught since young that that's

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<v Speaker 2>the way to be. That's how I should behave in

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<v Speaker 2>order to get praised. I want to get praised. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a nice feeling. Yeah. So we get stuck in that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm traumatized. I know it sounds like a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>like childhood trauma that shapes us to become like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't call people pleasing a bad thing because there's

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<v Speaker 1>good that comes out of it

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<v Speaker 1>right now. I feel that. Ok, so I have a colleague.

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<v Speaker 1>Shout out to Sheen. She's the nicest being ever like

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<v Speaker 1>in chosen. So she's always there to help every single DJ,

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<v Speaker 1>every single colleague. I wouldn't call her a people pleaser.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do know for a fact that it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>for her to say no. And sometimes I empathize with that.

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<v Speaker 1>But as a result whenever she needs help from us,

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<v Speaker 1>as jocks, we would go all out to help her. So,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, that's good that comes out of it. She

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<v Speaker 1>is seen as a very nice person that we wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to hurt that all of us would want to

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<v Speaker 1>go out of our way to help her be.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's helped us first.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's really great. But it also depends on

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of environment like it's really great that you

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<v Speaker 2>guys are the nice kind that will reciprocate her kindness.

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<v Speaker 2>But imagine if someone was placed in an environment where

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<v Speaker 2>everyone's like taking advantage of you, then she wouldn't feel

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<v Speaker 2>the same in such a state. I think I faced,

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<v Speaker 2>I had to confront this people pleasing tendency in myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably sometime last year, I reached a point of like,

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<v Speaker 2>really bad burn out. And I realized that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I was saying yes, too many things just to like

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<v Speaker 2>almost like protect my place in the industry because everyone

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<v Speaker 2>that invites you to something you kind of don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to turn them down. You want to give them a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of yourself. You want to give them a piece

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<v Speaker 2>of your time to show them that they are important

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<v Speaker 2>to you. And at the end of the day who suffers,

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<v Speaker 2>it's me. I suffer. I'm miserable and that's not a

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<v Speaker 2>way to live life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. One thing I realized about Jim is she will

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<v Speaker 1>say yes to a lot of media invites. That's good.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a win win thing because then you get to

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<v Speaker 1>update your social media content. But at the same time

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<v Speaker 1>as a friend, I'm concerned for you as to whether

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<v Speaker 1>you have time for yourself to just rest, to be

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<v Speaker 1>your loved ones

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<v Speaker 1>or not. That's a very valid point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm trying to reclaim some of that time for

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<v Speaker 2>myself and just tell myself, hey, I deserve my own

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<v Speaker 2>time too. Not just

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<v Speaker 2>else. And what I'm left with is sitting with that

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<v Speaker 2>guilt of not going to this or not saying yes

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<v Speaker 2>or saying no, it's that guilt. That's like I feel bad,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I know

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<v Speaker 1>someone who used to people please a lot. And then

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<v Speaker 1>one day someone told her if your answer is not

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<v Speaker 1>a fuck yes, then it's a no,

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<v Speaker 2>but most things are not.

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<v Speaker 1>That is so

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<v Speaker 1>you have to be really absolute and sure. I think

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<v Speaker 1>from then on, she sort of like stopped, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like spreading herself too thin and just really made sure

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<v Speaker 1>that it was something she really wanted to do. I

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<v Speaker 1>think a lot of us might not get to that

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<v Speaker 1>point

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<v Speaker 1>because to a certain extent, we still feel like we

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<v Speaker 1>have obligations or, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we just work. It's

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<v Speaker 2>for this. Yeah, I mean, v you've seen a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people pleasers, you're a people pleaser, life coach. What,

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<v Speaker 2>what is like, what are some of the worst cases

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<v Speaker 2>you've seen? How has

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<v Speaker 2>people pleasing affected their lives? The worst ones I would

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<v Speaker 2>say is when they have panic attacks at work, they

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<v Speaker 2>let it be such a huge part of their life

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<v Speaker 2>that they can't stop it at work at home everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's especially at work when you, if you break down,

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<v Speaker 2>you have a panic

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<v Speaker 2>attack, you then become a bit more anxious and like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh no, I need to fix this even more and

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<v Speaker 2>you become even more of a people pleaser. And then

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<v Speaker 2>because you are becoming more of a people pleaser, you

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<v Speaker 2>end up

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<v Speaker 1>being more

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<v Speaker 2>anxious.

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<v Speaker 1>And

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<v Speaker 1>another friend in industry was just telling me about this,

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<v Speaker 1>that she knows someone who,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just so nervous all the time that when they're

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<v Speaker 1>just having a normal conversation like you and I, she

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<v Speaker 1>would visually see hives breaking out on that person's face

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<v Speaker 1>because she got so stressed over the work issue that

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<v Speaker 1>they're talking about. So she does not know that this

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<v Speaker 1>person is talking to. She doesn't know how to say no,

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<v Speaker 1>how to reject people. She takes everything in and like

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<v Speaker 1>hives just break out on the face and that makes

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<v Speaker 1>my friend so stressed because

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<v Speaker 1>she said, oh, I don't know whether to continue this

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<v Speaker 1>conversation or not or should I be working with someone else?

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<v Speaker 1>But the person she's talking to really wants to maintain

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<v Speaker 1>that working relationship. So all the more she will go

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<v Speaker 1>all out to say yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my God. I can actually empathize with that because actually

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<v Speaker 2>I was one of those people who broke up in

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<v Speaker 2>high school. Oh my goodness, guys. I know on your face. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>On my face. It will be only on my face

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know why I did not figure that out,

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<v Speaker 2>but I know that I will

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<v Speaker 2>feel some heat when I'm stressed and then yeah, the

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<v Speaker 2>hives just come. I think that's a physiological thing. It's

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<v Speaker 2>your body trying to protect you and get rid of

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<v Speaker 2>the toxins and the negative feelings and it just comes

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<v Speaker 2>out as hives. But how do they take to go away?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe about 1 to 2 hours for me? Ok. We

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<v Speaker 2>have some stories here actually from Reddit about people pleases

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<v Speaker 2>and you know how they kind of like recovered from that.

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<v Speaker 2>This one

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<v Speaker 2>is from a user called additional guest. She says that

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<v Speaker 2>my people pleasing tendencies made me stay too long in

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<v Speaker 2>roles and jobs that treated me like crap because unfortunately

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<v Speaker 2>my self worth was tied to my job. I've canceled

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<v Speaker 2>dates with my boyfriend and my friends to work and

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<v Speaker 2>yet when I needed my shifts covered, no one would

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<v Speaker 2>help me. I can

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<v Speaker 2>everyone else's burdens. But when I needed support, I was

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<v Speaker 2>left alone and my friendships were often very one sided.

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<v Speaker 2>When I moved just 20 minutes away from my friends.

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<v Speaker 2>People said that I was too far, but I've traveled

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<v Speaker 2>much longer to see my friends. It was only after

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<v Speaker 2>moving to a new state with no one checking in.

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<v Speaker 2>I realized that I was truly on my own.

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<v Speaker 2>And now I've learned my worth in the workplace. I

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<v Speaker 2>quit toxic jobs without feeling too sensitive. I set boundaries

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<v Speaker 2>and I prioritize my health, I even set boundaries with

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<v Speaker 2>a friend who's always in crisis mode, right? Someone who's

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<v Speaker 2>always like I need you, I need you, I need

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<v Speaker 2>you and sometimes, you know, you feel like you want

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<v Speaker 2>to give everything to them. But this person has said now,

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<v Speaker 2>I can say I don't have the bandwidth. Let's reschedule.

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<v Speaker 2>So I fill my own cup first before helping someone else.

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<v Speaker 2>This is like

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<v Speaker 2>on a plane, right? When they say like emergency landing,

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<v Speaker 2>they always tell you save

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<v Speaker 2>your

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<v Speaker 2>own oxygen mask before you put on, even like your

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<v Speaker 2>child put on your own first. I think this reminds

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<v Speaker 2>me of that. I think this is a very real

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<v Speaker 2>journey that many of us go through. It's really great

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<v Speaker 2>that this person has managed to come out of that

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<v Speaker 2>state knowing that that doesn't serve you that that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of life being treated that way. It is not ok.

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<v Speaker 2>I

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like we need to be familiar with our

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<v Speaker 2>own boundaries, our own limits. Because if we've been people pleasing,

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<v Speaker 2>we've probably been people pleasing for a really long time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not something that just happens overnight. So it's very

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<v Speaker 2>easy for this to become an autopilot response. So you

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<v Speaker 2>have to set that time aside and reflect, truly reflect

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<v Speaker 2>on like the way that person treated me is that

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<v Speaker 2>really ok? And I genuinely ok with that. So we

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<v Speaker 2>need to be in touch

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<v Speaker 2>ourselves and then make a really firm decision on whether

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<v Speaker 2>we want to continue being that way or not.

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<v Speaker 1>I think

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<v Speaker 1>this reminds me of myself a little bit because I

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<v Speaker 1>think I used to people, please a lot more than

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<v Speaker 1>I do now. But I also am, I'm very 0

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<v Speaker 1>to 100. So it's a flip of a switch. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to never know how to leave anything. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I've never left a job. I don't know how to

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<v Speaker 1>leave a relationship, but at the same time

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<v Speaker 1>I'll stick it out. And then when I'm done you

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<v Speaker 1>did

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<v Speaker 2>it kind of like, it explodes in her mind. It

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<v Speaker 2>goes boom and then she's like, yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then so sometimes it's like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really find myself going out of my way to

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<v Speaker 1>please someone, but I think it's also very 0 to 100.

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<v Speaker 1>It's either I care or I don't. And it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a

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<v Speaker 2>but you're able to make that switch immediately. Not really,

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<v Speaker 2>I really

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<v Speaker 2>problem. I think the problem is that sometimes you, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not that you go out with your way to please people,

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<v Speaker 2>but you just kind of stick it through even though

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<v Speaker 2>it causes you anguish because you don't want to inconvenience

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<v Speaker 2>someone or you don't want to disappoint someone and that's

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<v Speaker 2>all also part of people pleasing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Like this next story here written by a guy online,

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<v Speaker 1>he says oftentimes I end up giving up a girl.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a crush on to friends who were more

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<v Speaker 1>obsessed with them.

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<v Speaker 1>Why? That's so sad, right? But anyway, he says this

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<v Speaker 1>happened constantly when he was younger and he lost out

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<v Speaker 1>on a few girls he really liked and felt a

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<v Speaker 1>connection with. Looking back maybe it was for the best

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<v Speaker 1>because he probably would have ruined those relationships as a

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<v Speaker 1>people pleaser. So he realizes that right. And he says

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<v Speaker 1>he gets his people pleasing tendencies came from his childhood

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<v Speaker 1>trauma being bullied and he doesn't like conflicts. So he

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<v Speaker 1>tried to keep the peace by pleasing others and guess what?

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<v Speaker 1>He's a victim of racism. Like growing up, I think

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<v Speaker 1>he had to face this

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<v Speaker 1>insecurity in his heart. That's why he constantly felt like

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<v Speaker 1>he was not good enough for the girls he felt

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<v Speaker 1>a connection with. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So all the more you try to, you know, prove

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<v Speaker 2>yourself right? I think it's almost like a defense mechanism

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<v Speaker 2>at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>So this really reminds me of wicked the movie when

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<v Speaker 1>alphabet is really like trying to fit in. That's true. OK. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>so question to v what are some of the practical

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<v Speaker 1>ways we can disrupt the pattern of people pleasing? So

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<v Speaker 1>here are a few examples. Tell us how you would

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<v Speaker 1>navigate around them. OK. OK. OK.

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<v Speaker 1>So how to say no in a non guilty way.

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<v Speaker 1>Number one is the last minute work request. Your boss

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<v Speaker 1>asked you to stay late to finish a project, but

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<v Speaker 1>you've already got a personal commitment that you cannot reschedule.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you turn out your boss while keeping it professional?

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<v Speaker 1>So

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<v Speaker 2>the first

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<v Speaker 2>thing I would ask is ok. So when is this due?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there urgent deadline tomorrow morning, tomorrow morning? Ok. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>get it done by tomorrow morning, but I will not

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<v Speaker 2>be able to stay tonight as I have a personal commitment.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll make sure it's done by then. I think it depends.

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<v Speaker 2>Like was this really? It was a last minute request

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<v Speaker 2>then it shouldn't have been a last minute request because

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<v Speaker 2>your life doesn't just revolve around your job. If you

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<v Speaker 2>had given the employee ample time and the deadline is

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow morning and she hasn't finished it, I think your

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<v Speaker 2>employees should be staying late because you've given them ample time.

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<v Speaker 2>But if this is a last minute request, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>my life revolves around your schedule. I would want to

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<v Speaker 2>understand like, what is this project first? But once I

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<v Speaker 2>find out about it and I have to check in

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<v Speaker 2>my own capacity. Do I have the capacity to do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Because for

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<v Speaker 2>me personally, if I have a commitment, I will still

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<v Speaker 2>want to go for my personal commitment. Just that if

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<v Speaker 2>this is really truly important and the circumstances around it

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<v Speaker 2>are that really, this is something that only I can

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<v Speaker 2>do by that point of time, then I'll just find

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<v Speaker 2>a way to get that done to the best of

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<v Speaker 2>my ability. But then I will not forego that thing

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<v Speaker 2>that I was supposed to attend because that's my priority. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you really be very firm and, and you know, just

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<v Speaker 2>like this is my time,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a question

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<v Speaker 1>if you

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<v Speaker 1>tend to phrase it in such a way, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>how important or how urgent is it like asking the

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<v Speaker 1>sort of questions to your boss instead of going straight

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<v Speaker 1>to saying like, oh, I've got a commitment and I

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<v Speaker 1>can't do it. But if you try and accommodate, does

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<v Speaker 1>that make you

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<v Speaker 1>a people pleaser?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it depends how you want to look at it. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>for me, it's I'm finding out facts so that I

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<v Speaker 2>know whether it makes sense or not for me to

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<v Speaker 2>complete it by then. So if he tells me the

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<v Speaker 2>context and I recognize that this is something. Ok, I

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<v Speaker 2>think I can get it done. Just not now.

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<v Speaker 2>You just have to accept that. Not now, but I

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<v Speaker 2>do need to know the information first and if it's

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<v Speaker 2>really something that I can't handle, then I'll be like, sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I can do that today. Ok. How

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<v Speaker 2>about this one? Right. So all your friends want you

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<v Speaker 2>to go out to a party, but you are really

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<v Speaker 2>drained and you're really tired and you would rather stay

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<v Speaker 2>at home. How do you kind of like decline this

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<v Speaker 2>offer to go out without making it seem like you

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to not be invited next time. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to be like party pooper, you know, but you're

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<v Speaker 2>just really, really tired today. So I'll just be

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<v Speaker 2>quite straightforward with a OK, I'm gonna pass today, but

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<v Speaker 2>please go ahead and have fun. I'll see you guys

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<v Speaker 2>at the next party. So put it in their mind,

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<v Speaker 2>like invite me next time, see you.

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<v Speaker 1>OK? This next one, I think this is very sensitive,

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<v Speaker 1>a friend who has a history of not paying back,

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<v Speaker 1>asked to borrow a significant amount of money. You're uncomfortable

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<v Speaker 1>lending it to him, but you don't want to hurt

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<v Speaker 1>the friendship. What do you say

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<v Speaker 2>this

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<v Speaker 1>actually

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<v Speaker 2>happened to me before? Yeah. So what I told it

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<v Speaker 2>was a girl, I told her that I'm actually not

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<v Speaker 2>very comfort

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<v Speaker 2>with lending out big sums of money. It's not against

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<v Speaker 2>you personally. I'm just personally not very comfortable. But please

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<v Speaker 2>let me know if there's any other thing that I

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<v Speaker 2>can do to help and I'll see if I can

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<v Speaker 2>help there.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you still?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. I had a conversation with a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of friends about this and one of my friends said,

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<v Speaker 1>like when people ask to borrow money, he would just

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<v Speaker 1>straight up say I don't like getting money involved in friendship.

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<v Speaker 1>So I will not do it. And I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think it also depends how big the sum is. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>how

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<v Speaker 1>was the sum that

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<v Speaker 2>20

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<v Speaker 1>20

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<v Speaker 2>2020

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<v Speaker 1>20

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<v Speaker 1>20 is a big sum? Did she have a legit reason? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>did she tell you

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<v Speaker 2>she did, I asked about it and then she did

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<v Speaker 2>say like some family stuff. How close of a friend?

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<v Speaker 2>Is she your best friend? No, not a best friend,

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<v Speaker 2>but just a friend. But even if it was your

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<v Speaker 2>best friend, I don't think I would because I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>comfortable and I mean, we are close enough so we

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<v Speaker 2>should be able to be honest and candid about what

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<v Speaker 2>we really feel. Well, here's the thing, right. It's

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<v Speaker 2>very hard for me to say no. Like for example,

0:20:19.479 --> 0:20:21.520
<v Speaker 2>it can be anything, it can be a family gathering,

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<v Speaker 2>it can be a work event, it can be a

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<v Speaker 2>social event, right? And I don't want to go. Not

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<v Speaker 2>because I have something else to do but just because

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<v Speaker 2>I want that time to myself, I don't have anything

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<v Speaker 2>else to do. And that's the part that really gets

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<v Speaker 2>me because in my calendar it's empty. I could fill

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<v Speaker 2>it up but it, the way you need to. But

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<v Speaker 2>how do I turn it down without saying like I

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<v Speaker 2>just want to be by myself like I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to

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<v Speaker 1>but you say you have other work commitments just lie. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I do that all the time. Sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>V

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<v Speaker 2>what do you think? OK, I think it's actually really

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<v Speaker 2>common this approach honestly to just lie. OK? Say you're

0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:54.709
<v Speaker 2>busy with something else but it's not exactly a lie.

0:20:54.719 --> 0:20:57.709
<v Speaker 2>You are busy with something else which is yourself yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>It's OK. It is something else. It's not nothing. Doing

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<v Speaker 2>nothing is something, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I agree. And I think sleeping and resting well is

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<v Speaker 1>also part of our profession. I have to put this

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<v Speaker 1>out there

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<v Speaker 1>to all the people who are like, working overtime. I

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<v Speaker 1>know I'm a workaholic myself, but 6 to 8 hours

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<v Speaker 1>of sleep minimally every day. I think it's the impresses me. Honestly.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how she gets the amount of sleep in.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true with the amount of things that she, she

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I didn't until two am she post and she's

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<v Speaker 1>like happy because I got eight hours of sleep. I like,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah, I was like, how well I had to cancel

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<v Speaker 1>my gym appointment this morning. Never happened in the past

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<v Speaker 1>two years because I was drinking till too late last

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<v Speaker 1>night and I just didn't think I would show up

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<v Speaker 1>for the podcast in a good state if I had

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<v Speaker 1>gone for the gym appointment. So I put it off

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<v Speaker 1>till next week and I decided to sleep in got

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<v Speaker 1>seven hours of rest and here I am all energized.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that some. You lose some. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess

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<v Speaker 2>so when you see your patients, do you call them patients,

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<v Speaker 2>clients

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<v Speaker 2>when you see your clients? Right? What would the remedy

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<v Speaker 2>be like? What kind of action plan would you put

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<v Speaker 2>them on to kind of like heal from being a

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<v Speaker 2>people pleaser. Usually it's like I would encourage journaling. I

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<v Speaker 2>typically leave an assignment at the end which involves reflection,

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<v Speaker 2>diving deep to understand yourself. I would also recommend things

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<v Speaker 2>like meditation even though it may not be a habit

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<v Speaker 2>for many people. But there's a lot of benefits that

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<v Speaker 2>can come from meditation and like just go take a walk.

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<v Speaker 2>Has been one of my assignments

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<v Speaker 2>before walking in nature, just being with yourself at peace.

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<v Speaker 2>How does that help with the people pleasing side of things?

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<v Speaker 2>Because people pleaser tend to be quite on the anxious

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<v Speaker 2>side because it makes them stress. I'm not able to

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<v Speaker 2>please someone. What if I do this and then that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen? What da da da da. So your

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<v Speaker 2>mind is very hectic. It's like a highway going on.

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<v Speaker 2>So you do need to slow down. So as a

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<v Speaker 2>first step, I would encourage you to do things that

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<v Speaker 2>will help your mind slow down. Sound healing honestly

0:22:55.959 --> 0:22:58.979
<v Speaker 2>is one of the ways as well because you're slowing

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<v Speaker 2>the brain waves down. There's like calmness, a sense of

0:23:02.069 --> 0:23:04.170
<v Speaker 2>calm that washes over you and you can get this

0:23:04.180 --> 0:23:06.579
<v Speaker 2>in nature as well, but sound does it in a

0:23:06.589 --> 0:23:09.819
<v Speaker 2>bit more like a layered manner. But you can for

0:23:09.829 --> 0:23:13.050
<v Speaker 2>more easily attainable things. It will be just journaling or

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<v Speaker 2>going to a nice quiet spot hanging around in nature.

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<v Speaker 1>What are some questions people can ask themselves to, to

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<v Speaker 1>take a step

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<v Speaker 1>back and reflect

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things would be, what is my trigger?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you have an example of that?

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<v Speaker 2>The trigger be like for example, maybe the moment a

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<v Speaker 2>boss says like you need to do this for me.

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<v Speaker 2>So every time he hears, you need to do this

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<v Speaker 2>for me, then he might get triggered and then he

0:23:36.349 --> 0:23:39.780
<v Speaker 2>will be like, OK, now I need to everything and

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<v Speaker 2>do that. So after that, it would be to ask yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you feeling? Why am I feeling that way?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it true or is it just a belief that

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<v Speaker 2>I have? Right. So when you question your own beliefs,

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<v Speaker 2>it will help in that regulation and you

0:23:53.319 --> 0:23:55.800
<v Speaker 2>will know or you might know next time if you

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<v Speaker 2>wanna switch a different route, like, do you really want

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<v Speaker 2>to continue that autopilot thing? Right. Oh Boss tells me

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<v Speaker 2>to do this and then I will go and do

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<v Speaker 2>it right away or do you want to be like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not what I'm thinking right now. I'm actually feeling

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<v Speaker 2>this is unfair. I'm actually really tired. I think someone

0:24:10.420 --> 0:24:12.339
<v Speaker 2>else can do this today and you would tell your

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<v Speaker 2>boss that no. And then like manage it. But then

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<v Speaker 2>of course, I mean, you might have some colleagues around

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<v Speaker 2>you that are genuinely cool with you and then like,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe can tell them like, ok,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really having a lot on my plate right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think you can help me with this? A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of it is encouraging authenticity. But if you're honest

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<v Speaker 2>with yourself, then you can be more honest with others

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<v Speaker 2>as well. But what if nobody can help you? If

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<v Speaker 2>nobody can help you, you have to talk to your boss,

0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:40.069
<v Speaker 2>you have to have that talk. I know it's scary.

0:24:40.079 --> 0:24:42.859
<v Speaker 2>It's intimidating. But personally, like I've had to do that

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<v Speaker 2>as well. I used to be a police officer actually.

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<v Speaker 2>You many things now. Yeah. So it was

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<v Speaker 2>very necessary for me at a certain point to manage

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<v Speaker 2>his expectations and say sir, I'm struggling. Oh my God. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to I know like we need to keep

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<v Speaker 2>up this certain image and I be like we're on

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<v Speaker 2>the ball, we have to do this, we have to

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<v Speaker 2>do it and we do, it's really, really important work.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you are not ok, the work is not

0:25:08.989 --> 0:25:11.099
<v Speaker 2>gonna be ok either. And you need to spare a

0:25:11.109 --> 0:25:15.659
<v Speaker 2>thought for yourself and the people involved. Very fair, very fair.

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<v Speaker 2>And would you say you're a reformed people pleaser? Ok.

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<v Speaker 2>So I want to clear

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<v Speaker 2>by that there is actually no such thing as a

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<v Speaker 2>reformed and ex people pleaser. You're either a recovering people

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<v Speaker 2>pleaser or you were never a people pleaser at all

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<v Speaker 2>because recovering because people pleasing is like an addiction. It's

0:25:33.630 --> 0:25:36.180
<v Speaker 2>like you're addicted to drugs. There's no cure for that.

0:25:36.189 --> 0:25:38.530
<v Speaker 2>There's only ways to manage it and you just get

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<v Speaker 2>better at managing over time. But there's always that risk

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<v Speaker 2>of relapse. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I should count the number of times

0:25:44.989 --> 0:25:47.069
<v Speaker 1>to say sorry every day from now on. I have

0:25:47.079 --> 0:25:47.698
<v Speaker 1>a question.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people pleasing comes from trying to take

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<v Speaker 1>care of somebody else's feelings. How do you still do

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<v Speaker 1>that without sacrificing yourself because you don't want someone else

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<v Speaker 1>to feel bad as well. You know what I mean?

0:26:00.500 --> 0:26:00.530
<v Speaker 2>But

0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:02.969
<v Speaker 2>sometimes you just have to feel bad. You need to

0:26:02.979 --> 0:26:05.680
<v Speaker 2>know your own boundaries and your own limits. Actually, when

0:26:05.689 --> 0:26:08.680
<v Speaker 2>you're truthful with what you're really ok with and what

0:26:08.689 --> 0:26:10.729
<v Speaker 2>you're not, you'll be able to find some sort of

0:26:10.739 --> 0:26:12.639
<v Speaker 2>a sweet spot. But there is give and take and

0:26:12.650 --> 0:26:14.319
<v Speaker 2>that's why reflection is so important and

0:26:14.444 --> 0:26:18.125
<v Speaker 2>quieting your mind and really thinking like sometimes you're moving

0:26:18.135 --> 0:26:20.425
<v Speaker 2>so fast throughout the day, you're just doing things without

0:26:20.435 --> 0:26:23.425
<v Speaker 2>realizing you're not ok with that. I hear you. So

0:26:23.435 --> 0:26:27.804
<v Speaker 2>as a recovering people, pleaser, how has setting boundaries? Like,

0:26:27.814 --> 0:26:31.165
<v Speaker 2>how have you benefited from really working on that part

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<v Speaker 2>of your life? I'm less drained actually, because I used

0:26:34.655 --> 0:26:36.395
<v Speaker 2>to feel really drained at the end of the day.

0:26:36.405 --> 0:26:39.464
<v Speaker 2>And sometimes I even build resentment towards the people that

0:26:39.474 --> 0:26:40.224
<v Speaker 2>I've helped in

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<v Speaker 2>certain way. Oh, my

0:26:41.410 --> 0:26:44.819
<v Speaker 1>gosh, all the time. Hey, ok. So let's drain.

0:26:45.420 --> 0:26:48.160
<v Speaker 2>So that's actually the key thing. Let's drain. And I

0:26:48.170 --> 0:26:51.770
<v Speaker 2>think my relationships are more authentic right now, like with

0:26:51.780 --> 0:26:54.319
<v Speaker 2>my friends and family and my partner. So we're just

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<v Speaker 2>more honest with each other. When I'm more honest, they

0:26:56.969 --> 0:26:59.400
<v Speaker 2>feel more comfortable being honest as well about the things

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<v Speaker 2>that they might not actually be ok with, then everything

0:27:01.709 --> 0:27:02.660
<v Speaker 2>feels more real.

0:27:02.670 --> 0:27:03.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's

0:27:03.369 --> 0:27:05.060
<v Speaker 1>a good point. One thing I realized is that when

0:27:05.069 --> 0:27:06.099
<v Speaker 1>you have so much on your plate

0:27:06.194 --> 0:27:08.354
<v Speaker 1>and you take something else on, even if this something

0:27:08.364 --> 0:27:10.655
<v Speaker 1>else is something that you're truly passionate about, you end

0:27:10.665 --> 0:27:13.545
<v Speaker 1>up hating it because you can't perform to the best

0:27:13.555 --> 0:27:16.194
<v Speaker 1>of ability. You are not able to enjoy it and

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<v Speaker 2>then you blame yourself. And then it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh

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<v Speaker 2>my

0:27:18.135 --> 0:27:20.295
<v Speaker 1>God. And then the thing doesn't turn out well and

0:27:20.305 --> 0:27:22.853
<v Speaker 1>everything is just a mess. I have a very good friend.

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<v Speaker 1>She says sorry, like every single time I see her,

0:27:26.364 --> 0:27:28.635
<v Speaker 1>even if it like I asked her the friend, no,

0:27:28.645 --> 0:27:31.974
<v Speaker 1>she's worse than me. I'm telling you. That's bad. Ok?

0:27:32.239 --> 0:27:34.670
<v Speaker 1>Every time I ask her, ok? Are you free next

0:27:34.680 --> 0:27:37.260
<v Speaker 1>Wednesday for dinner? Oh, no, so sorry, I cannot make

0:27:37.270 --> 0:27:39.670
<v Speaker 1>it because I have to go for this that I, oh,

0:27:39.680 --> 0:27:41.879
<v Speaker 1>it's OK. How about Friday? Oh no, so sorry, I

0:27:41.890 --> 0:27:44.188
<v Speaker 1>can't do this. You also say sorry, what's wrong with that?

0:27:44.219 --> 0:27:46.859
<v Speaker 1>To me? I feel like you don't have to say sorry,

0:27:46.949 --> 0:27:49.939
<v Speaker 1>just tell me you can't make it. And then we reschedule, right?

0:27:49.949 --> 0:27:52.579
<v Speaker 1>Because I feel like saying sorry puts her in a,

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<v Speaker 1>a more inferior position that I don't want to see

0:27:55.709 --> 0:27:57.920
<v Speaker 1>her in because she's a very good friend of mine. Right.

0:27:57.930 --> 0:28:00.599
<v Speaker 1>And she feels inferior. Why? Feel inferior? It's just a meeting,

0:28:00.609 --> 0:28:03.179
<v Speaker 1>it's just a meet up for dinner. Right. Just reschedule.

0:28:03.189 --> 0:28:04.939
<v Speaker 1>And at the same time I'm doing like this self

0:28:04.949 --> 0:28:08.109
<v Speaker 1>reflection of myself. Hey, am I doing that? Actually? To

0:28:08.119 --> 0:28:08.920
<v Speaker 1>a certain extent.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. Sometimes I reschedule so many times until I feel

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<v Speaker 2>very bad. I've been trying to meet this friend, like

0:28:14.420 --> 0:28:17.379
<v Speaker 2>since before she went on maternity leave, she just gave

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<v Speaker 2>up

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<v Speaker 2>today. I haven't met her and she was like, you

0:28:20.083 --> 0:28:21.692
<v Speaker 2>want to come to the hospital? I was like, shit,

0:28:21.703 --> 0:28:24.312
<v Speaker 2>I really cannot. And I'm like, I'm so sorry.

0:28:24.442 --> 0:28:25.182
<v Speaker 1>I feel

0:28:25.192 --> 0:28:25.412
<v Speaker 2>so

0:28:25.422 --> 0:28:29.152
<v Speaker 1>bad. Ok? Never mind 100 days party, go to her house.

0:28:29.162 --> 0:28:29.642
<v Speaker 1>Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I'll see her when the kid is like five years

0:28:31.113 --> 0:28:33.901
<v Speaker 2>old at this point at some point though, at some point,

0:28:33.912 --> 0:28:37.912
<v Speaker 2>at some point. But I, I really, really value today's conversation.

0:28:37.922 --> 0:28:41.562
<v Speaker 2>It made me realize we say sorry a lot. Yes.

0:28:41.572 --> 0:28:42.072
<v Speaker 2>But that's not

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<v Speaker 2>the only thing that you know affects you when you

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<v Speaker 2>have people pleasing tendencies. I think we're all recovering people pleases.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. For sure. Any last words you want to say

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<v Speaker 1>to our listeners and viewers out there who are

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<v Speaker 1>people pleases?

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<v Speaker 2>You are enough in your being, not in your doing

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<v Speaker 2>but called human beings for a reason. You are enough

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<v Speaker 2>just by being you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you. I'm gonna tell everyone that from now on every

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<v Speaker 1>time I do want to do something,

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<v Speaker 1>we have no problem with that out of all of us.

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<v Speaker 1>You have no problem with saying I just want to

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<v Speaker 1>be and

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<v Speaker 1>well, I learned so much from this episode. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>It's ok. We spent a long time setting up the set.

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<v Speaker 2>into it, but don't we see you guys?

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