WEBVTT - S2 Episode 2: Rozz Lee 0:00:00.569 --> 0:00:07.310 Right. The Mutton Sandwich 0:00:07.310 --> 0:00:08.150 podcast. 0:00:08.750 --> 0:00:12.219 All right. Welcome to the Mutton Sandwich podcast. It's just 0:00:12.230 --> 0:00:14.480 an invite. And with you now we we just started 0:00:14.490 --> 0:00:18.030 season two where we bring in our famous friends. Yeah, 0:00:18.350 --> 0:00:21.200 to catch up with us on the podcast. And today's 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:22.790 ones can be interesting because it's kind of a blend 0:00:22.790 --> 0:00:24.529 of season one and season one. We caught up with 0:00:24.530 --> 0:00:25.579 our radio friends. 0:00:25.610 --> 0:00:28.610 That's right. And our guest today used to be from radio, 0:00:28.610 --> 0:00:31.370 but she's not anymore. But she's still a very famous 0:00:31.370 --> 0:00:33.290 friend that we love to catch up with because we 0:00:33.290 --> 0:00:35.250 haven't seen her for a long, long, long time. 0:00:35.270 --> 0:00:41.060 Roslyn Lee Hello. Hi, guys here. Ozzy in Singapore famous 0:00:41.060 --> 0:00:44.330 is an understatement, right? No overstatement. 0:00:44.570 --> 0:00:49.040 Overstatement overstatement. Yes. As long as we feel you're famous, 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:50.120 you'll be mudslides again. 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:53.000 Only only only famous people can make it on the 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:55.910 podcast because we like to name drop. You know, so 0:00:56.060 --> 0:00:57.920 like we go on telling a routine, we know Ross. 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:01.250 You don't exactly. You know, you know, you are considered 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:03.950 famous in our books by no, I mean, you are 0:01:03.950 --> 0:01:06.649 such a such a household name. And we were talking about, 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:08.860 you know, you used to be in radio. You should 0:01:08.870 --> 0:01:11.270 not be in radio for how long? It's been quite 0:01:11.270 --> 0:01:11.780 a while, right? 0:01:12.170 --> 0:01:15.920 Twenty seventeen. When they shut our station down, no English. 0:01:16.180 --> 0:01:19.910 Yeah. So it's four years already, three years. And you 0:01:19.910 --> 0:01:21.000 are pussy actually. 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:22.190 Four years, four years. 0:01:22.190 --> 0:01:24.740 Yeah, and four years and a person can get up 0:01:24.740 --> 0:01:26.600 to a lot in four years, isn't it? I know. 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:28.540 Well, I didn't really do much to see. That's. 0:01:30.550 --> 0:01:32.870 Well, I mean, you'd have to do anything in season one. 0:01:32.870 --> 0:01:34.950 We asked our guests a lot of our radio because 0:01:34.950 --> 0:01:36.350 it was just radio, but we have to ask you, 0:01:36.350 --> 0:01:39.170 do you do you miss radio or do you feel 0:01:39.170 --> 0:01:41.569 like that part of your life is over and done with? 0:01:41.750 --> 0:01:45.350 OK, I miss what radio used to be for me. Like, 0:01:45.380 --> 0:01:48.560 you know, before before social media, it was like so 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:51.590 fun because we had all our favorite artists come into 0:01:51.590 --> 0:01:53.480 the studio and now they all have their own social 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:58.010 media platforms. They don't need to come on air anymore, right? Yeah. 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:01.610 You know, so that part, I really miss the interaction. Like, 0:02:01.790 --> 0:02:07.970 I mean, Gene Simmons was in the seven studio. Yeah, exactly. Wow. Yeah, 0:02:08.270 --> 0:02:11.000 I came down. We were the only radio station that 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:14.000 he gave an interview to. Katy Perry popped in. So 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:15.110 I really miss that. 0:02:15.230 --> 0:02:17.960 And now with the pandemic is, well, even worse. Even 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:20.090 more so we we don't we hardly get to see 0:02:20.090 --> 0:02:21.080 anyone these days. 0:02:21.530 --> 0:02:23.840 Yeah. How was that like for you guys? 0:02:25.060 --> 0:02:26.990 Well, it's literally like this. Like, you know, we do, 0:02:27.050 --> 0:02:29.780 we do video calls and stuff like that. But you know, 0:02:29.780 --> 0:02:32.000 it's it's kind of getting to be the new normal. 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:34.730 But you know, when when you left radio in 2017, 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:36.680 you you told us at plans that you were going 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.200 to travel the world and do a lot different things. Obviously, 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:41.090 you can do that now, but hopefully you've got some 0:02:41.090 --> 0:02:42.139 travelling done right? 0:02:42.530 --> 0:02:46.580 Yeah, I did. The plan was to just spend all 0:02:46.580 --> 0:02:51.579 my savings. Yeah, and really let myself from zero. Yeah. Oh, OK. 0:02:52.690 --> 0:02:55.910 So before I quit Lush, actually, you know, in media, 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:59.060 you don't really leave it like, you know that even 0:02:59.060 --> 0:03:01.520 though was closed down, there was like an offer to 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:04.490 continue with other shows and stuff. Yeah. Well, that was 0:03:04.610 --> 0:03:08.310 that was like my my, you know, my cue to like, OK, 0:03:08.450 --> 0:03:11.269 the time is now you better just do it. So 0:03:11.660 --> 0:03:15.280 I think leading up to your question, which was in 0:03:15.470 --> 0:03:20.900 30th August, I believe July, check it a member of 0:03:21.110 --> 0:03:23.540 the band. But six months leading up to that, I 0:03:23.540 --> 0:03:25.910 had to ask myself this question like, would you be OK? 0:03:25.940 --> 0:03:29.630 You had to start from scratch, meaning no money, probably 0:03:29.630 --> 0:03:32.299 no job. And then just build yourself up in another 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:35.930 industry or whatever. And when I finally became, yes, I 0:03:35.930 --> 0:03:37.970 was like, OK, I'm going to do this. Whatever money 0:03:37.970 --> 0:03:40.130 I had in the bank will be spent on travelling 0:03:40.130 --> 0:03:42.040 until it depletes to zero. 0:03:42.090 --> 0:03:44.390 Oh, and did you get to zero before COVID hit? 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:47.030 See, that's the thing with with with life, right when 0:03:47.030 --> 0:03:49.950 you decide to take the plunge. Somehow, the universe is 0:03:50.090 --> 0:03:53.810 such flouncy terms, but like it just somehow 0:03:54.020 --> 0:03:56.210 conspires against you. Like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:59.330 yeah, it did in a good way. I mean, obviously, 0:03:59.330 --> 0:04:02.330 like going to all these exotic places like, you know, 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:05.710 I think exotic by multiple like Iran and to bite off. 0:04:06.020 --> 0:04:10.580 So I want it to video and film the entire experience. 0:04:10.700 --> 0:04:13.520 So I kind of like blogged and uploaded the videos 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:15.380 on the click that work, which is owned by my 0:04:15.380 --> 0:04:19.260 friend Jillian. Mm hmm. There's no money involved. There's no sponsorship. 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:21.049 We just wanted to check on them for free. Yeah. 0:04:21.260 --> 0:04:24.080 And it got picked up by people. They were like, Oh, 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.890 what's Ron's doing off the radio? Oh, she's traveling now. Oh, 0:04:27.020 --> 0:04:31.880 I guess she's the travel influencer now. Suddenly, does that 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:35.390 label put on me? Supporting the 19 became a year 0:04:35.390 --> 0:04:37.700 of like just work travel gigs. 0:04:37.820 --> 0:04:39.620 Well, the good thing is that at least you got 0:04:39.620 --> 0:04:42.560 to travel even more, you know, like before the bank 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.560 accomplished that and then you got to see nice just 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.620 rattle off some of the places that you've been to 0:04:48.620 --> 0:04:49.640 over the past few years. 0:04:49.670 --> 0:04:53.740 Yeah, I think 2018 was the most intense one, divided 0:04:53.740 --> 0:04:56.810 into a few seconds. I did the Trans-Siberian Railway. Wow 0:04:57.110 --> 0:05:01.100 between it, from China, from China to Russia and in between, 0:05:01.100 --> 0:05:03.800 like all the different cities like in Siberia and Mongolia. 0:05:03.900 --> 0:05:06.580 Mm hmm. I would. They believe this much less by 0:05:06.610 --> 0:05:12.180 most eye opening one, Iran, especially because it's all closed off. Yeah, 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:19.869 the North Pole. Oh wow. Oh, and that it was amazing. Yeah, 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:22.880 because most people actually take the ship, they're from Canada 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:26.410 or something. I actually flew actually flew on to that 0:05:26.410 --> 0:05:30.880 ice pageant camp overnight. Was this like base camp? Yeah, 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:32.920 it was. All my money went there, though. 0:05:32.950 --> 0:05:35.300 My goodness, I hope you going to see the guys 0:05:35.300 --> 0:05:37.050 you know, they give. 0:05:37.150 --> 0:05:42.130 Give everybody else nothing, but I give everybody an idea. 0:05:42.220 --> 0:05:44.440 If you don't mind like, how much would it cost 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:45.609 to do that mothball trip? 0:05:46.050 --> 0:05:48.640 OK, let me tell you how long it's expensive. OK. 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:51.790 So in order to get eighty nine degrees north, which 0:05:51.790 --> 0:05:55.100 is very close to 90 degrees north at 89 degrees north, 0:05:55.180 --> 0:05:58.190 there's a base camp there called Borneo based ice camp. 0:05:58.210 --> 0:06:00.550 It's run by the Russians set up once a year. 0:06:00.550 --> 0:06:03.210 Only 200 people get to go there. Wow. So you 0:06:03.310 --> 0:06:06.219 don't run the North Pole marathon or you would do 0:06:06.220 --> 0:06:08.680 the ski to the final degree. A lot of people 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:10.460 pay a lot of money to do that. Oh boy. 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:13.359 But for me, I'm like, the most the least got 0:06:13.380 --> 0:06:17.380 a really good attitude. I think I got the drop 0:06:17.380 --> 0:06:19.740 you at close to 90 degree centigrade. Fine, you like. 0:06:19.750 --> 0:06:25.390 I'm OK. So just just it. Two day's journey, including 0:06:25.390 --> 0:06:29.170 the Olympics. There was twenty five thousand years. Wow. Oh 0:06:29.170 --> 0:06:33.370 my word by now. And I and I yeah, and 0:06:33.370 --> 0:06:35.500 I have a home should be home mortgage to pay 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:37.510 and say, I want to do this. 0:06:38.529 --> 0:06:39.710 Yeah, man. Wow. 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:43.529 Yeah, it's close to like 40 grand seeing, right? Yeah, exactly. 0:06:43.670 --> 0:06:46.240 I will say I'm not rich. I don't have like 0:06:46.540 --> 0:06:49.000 cars or I don't think condos and stuff. So that 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:53.320 was almost like all my savings. Wow. But and this 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:57.430 doesn't even cover the flight to to nowhere. Sure, it 0:06:57.430 --> 0:06:59.290 took me a while to like, agree to do this. 0:06:59.290 --> 0:07:01.630 And I and I did it. OK, I'm glad I 0:07:01.630 --> 0:07:06.000 did it because 2018 was the last expedition that happened. Oh, 0:07:06.020 --> 0:07:09.640 by new ice came in 2019 onwards. Either politics or corporate, 0:07:09.700 --> 0:07:11.680 like no one is ever going to buy now, I said. 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:15.130 And now that's it. So you actually can can boast 0:07:15.250 --> 0:07:18.190 that you've been there, done that. And now what's next? 0:07:18.430 --> 0:07:22.570 But I express an ex-regime would, if you could, how 0:07:22.570 --> 0:07:24.730 much you miss traveling for the last year and a half. 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:30.010 Actually, I didn't really enjoy it. Circuit breaker a lot. 0:07:30.580 --> 0:07:34.000 I think Circuit Breaker 2020 was a very unique experience 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:37.870 that somehow didn't get replicated into anything. You want to train. Why? 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:41.140 It's really strange. And yeah, you know, it's it's like, 0:07:41.140 --> 0:07:43.960 not here, not there. Yeah, 2020 was very clear. Cut 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:47.740 me a break. There was a break and I enjoyed it. 0:07:47.740 --> 0:07:49.510 I saw the race. You know, I did a lot 0:07:49.510 --> 0:07:52.780 of new things. Suddenly, I see my outfit for my performance. 0:07:53.260 --> 0:07:56.800 I really, really loved it. I think that just frustrated 0:07:56.800 --> 0:08:00.280 with like the double standards of what's what can be 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:03.340 accepted and what is not. I just want to leave. 0:08:05.740 --> 0:08:07.750 Yeah, I think I think everyone is getting a we 0:08:07.750 --> 0:08:10.570 are about to start stop. And so let's just let's 0:08:10.570 --> 0:08:12.700 just once and for all decide what we want to do. 0:08:12.730 --> 0:08:16.000 Hopefully that happens soon. So that brings us to the 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.340 question where are you going next? Like the moment the 0:08:18.340 --> 0:08:19.050 borders are open? 0:08:19.060 --> 0:08:20.780 Wait, wait, man, what's your first destination? 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:22.330 What's your first hope? 0:08:22.690 --> 0:08:24.610 I don't think I'm waiting for the borders to open, 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:28.120 but a lot can happen. You never know. In February 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:31.420 next year, I'm just going to go to Mexico for 0:08:31.420 --> 0:08:35.770 six months. Oh, wow, really? Oh wow. OK, yeah. Y Mexico. 0:08:36.100 --> 0:08:38.980 I've been there three times in two years, so I 0:08:38.980 --> 0:08:41.530 think I take it as a as a sign that 0:08:41.530 --> 0:08:43.959 it is. That is a place that I am very 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:48.010 drawn to. Clearly a forward for its nature and the people. 0:08:48.010 --> 0:08:50.450 And I also want to learn the language. So I 0:08:50.450 --> 0:08:53.050 came to see the USA for six months will be 0:08:53.050 --> 0:08:55.359 just nice. And also it's like a springboard like, you know, 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:57.790 it's like a launch pad, Leticia. I want to go 0:08:57.790 --> 0:09:00.069 back to Colombia and pick up from where I left 0:09:00.070 --> 0:09:02.170 off last March. This is my trip. I to be 0:09:02.170 --> 0:09:06.460 cut short. And I think the all of Latin America 0:09:06.460 --> 0:09:08.200 has all of my heart, so I want to take 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:10.589 my time to explore and maybe go down to Patagonia. 0:09:10.620 --> 0:09:15.220 Something felt that really sounds like the diary of a 0:09:15.370 --> 0:09:18.730 truly free spirited person. And while we will, we applaud 0:09:18.730 --> 0:09:21.010 you for that. You know, it's something that I think 0:09:21.010 --> 0:09:23.949 I could never do and jealous. Yeah, we obviously were 0:09:23.950 --> 0:09:26.990 really just, you know, yeah, by by air. Fantastic that 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:30.010 you have all these wanderlust dreams and you actually. Not 0:09:30.010 --> 0:09:32.490 only is it a dream, you're making it reality. Actually, 0:09:32.710 --> 0:09:34.780 that's yeah, that's amazing. Well done. It comes 0:09:34.780 --> 0:09:37.500 the sacrifice. The skies. Yeah, of course. Of course you'll 0:09:37.540 --> 0:09:40.540 have have us like how much everybody thinks that all 0:09:40.540 --> 0:09:43.359 my trips are sponsored and it must be, you know, whatever. 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:44.890 I was like, No, it's out of my own pocket. 0:09:45.250 --> 0:09:48.100 They just can't fathom how like you can do this 0:09:48.100 --> 0:09:50.230 so easily. But I think it comes with a lot 0:09:50.230 --> 0:09:54.250 of sacrifices like, I don't have kids. Yeah, I have 0:09:54.250 --> 0:09:56.199 taken over the house that my mom left us when 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:58.840 she died. I definitely don't own a continental power like 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:01.720 or any car, for that matter. Right? So like, it 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:05.740 costs the sacrifices like, obviously and sometimes like you. When 0:10:05.740 --> 0:10:07.790 all my friends are out with their families and like 0:10:07.929 --> 0:10:10.070 all their kids and I have this last minute slot, 0:10:10.090 --> 0:10:12.190 I have dinner on a Friday night. There's no one 0:10:12.190 --> 0:10:14.460 to have dinner with. So there's a lot of things 0:10:14.470 --> 0:10:17.360 I have to be OK with, you know, downsides to 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:19.660 middle solar. But it's worth the 0:10:20.020 --> 0:10:21.430 it's worth, though. But I think a lot of people 0:10:21.429 --> 0:10:23.860 admire you for your, you know, your drive to, to 0:10:23.860 --> 0:10:25.870 do to do what you want. And and thank God, 0:10:25.870 --> 0:10:27.790 we actually call you now because imagine if we called 0:10:27.790 --> 0:10:30.160 you next March like you want to be on a 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:38.740 podcast is like Google Glass. No, I mean Mexico, you know, so. Wow. 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:40.600 I mean, fantastic. So so you 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:41.679 guys would love it? 0:10:41.730 --> 0:10:43.750 No. Yeah, we've been to Mexico a couple of times, 0:10:43.750 --> 0:10:45.640 and it really is a beautiful country. 0:10:45.850 --> 0:10:48.010 And yeah, but to be fair, we only went to Cancun. 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:48.990 Yeah, the nice, 0:10:49.390 --> 0:10:51.400 the nice western part of, you know, 0:10:51.610 --> 0:10:54.630 we went to a dodgy market. Don't forget that we did. 0:10:54.630 --> 0:10:56.770 We did. We went to a dodgy market. We think 0:10:56.770 --> 0:10:58.660 we saw a dead body. We're not entirely sure. We're 0:10:58.660 --> 0:11:00.880 not sure, but we didn't check. But oh, I mean, 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:02.580 it also goes to fund. This is what 0:11:02.830 --> 0:11:05.650 travel stories this is for. I like Sony. It was 0:11:05.650 --> 0:11:06.130 a junket. 0:11:06.130 --> 0:11:07.670 Yeah, right? That's right. 0:11:07.820 --> 0:11:10.630 Oh my God. Almost like a crazy, crazy junket you 0:11:10.630 --> 0:11:11.080 guys got. 0:11:11.110 --> 0:11:12.800 I know it was. It was really. It was really fun. 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:14.740 Then when where we have free time, they were like, 0:11:14.750 --> 0:11:16.240 Do you want to go to a cafe or do 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:17.980 you want to go to the to the market in 0:11:17.980 --> 0:11:19.960 the city? Or like, let's go to the market? Yeah, 0:11:20.380 --> 0:11:24.729 we should have gone to, I don't know, like the 0:11:24.730 --> 0:11:27.400 weirdest things, but no, but 0:11:28.210 --> 0:11:29.949 I'm so glad you guys went to the market because 0:11:29.950 --> 0:11:33.760 Cancun is like Mini America. Yeah, yeah. Listen to Dave. 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:35.830 And I didn't like it very much. I'm so glad 0:11:35.830 --> 0:11:36.730 you got to the market. 0:11:36.850 --> 0:11:39.760 Yeah, at least experience a bit of off the real Mexico. 0:11:39.910 --> 0:11:42.429 Authentic Mexico. You know, so, so cool. Cool. So between 0:11:42.429 --> 0:11:46.540 now and February, it's like saving up and stuff like that. 0:11:46.809 --> 0:11:48.849 I just want to pay off my mortgage first, so 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:50.870 I do have a little bit left of my home 0:11:50.870 --> 0:11:54.429 mortgage to bear. So now it's just like working and 0:11:54.429 --> 0:11:57.400 just doing that. They'll tell you, like, OK, do I 0:11:57.400 --> 0:11:58.599 have it to make it? So I just want to 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:01.660 pay everything up and get back the title from the 0:12:01.660 --> 0:12:02.860 bank by December. 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.530 So, so I last saw you. You said the magic 0:12:05.530 --> 0:12:07.329 weren't working well. Why are you doing Rose? 0:12:07.809 --> 0:12:08.589 What is that for you? 0:12:08.630 --> 0:12:12.790 What does it mean that things go when things are right? OK, OK, OK. 0:12:13.220 --> 0:12:15.930 VIDEO Right, right. Oh, it's just also, 0:12:16.570 --> 0:12:18.670 yeah, that's fantastic. I mean, you know, at least you're 0:12:18.670 --> 0:12:20.709 still getting to do what you love. You know, you're 0:12:20.710 --> 0:12:24.520 you're still doing stuff that you love doing content creation. Yeah, exactly. 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:28.270 Oh, wonderful. Yeah. Speaking of a content creation, let's let's 0:12:28.270 --> 0:12:30.310 let's go back to the beginning, right where I mean, 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:34.720 when when little Roslyn Lee was. I know this 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:38.079 woman is tall again. She's I don't think she's a 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:38.830 very tall woman. 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:42.880 I'll tell you when I first met Ross. Okay. Oh, well, 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:45.429 I first met you and I was really young too. 0:12:45.429 --> 0:12:49.090 I was like 19, maybe a poly student at the time. 0:12:49.090 --> 0:12:51.429 I was doing radio already. And you were a dancer. 0:12:51.460 --> 0:12:54.340 You were a dancer of readers. Oh yes. S.F. Music 0:12:54.340 --> 0:12:55.290 and drama company, 0:12:55.300 --> 0:12:56.430 music and drama company. 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:58.719 That's right. And I would meet you at camp shows 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:00.880 because I used to host the camp shows and he 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:04.570 had dances. And then there all the dancers are like, OK, cool. 0:13:04.570 --> 0:13:07.240 But is this one very thought? Exactly that stands out 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:10.990 above everyone, right? Like, who's that girl? Yeah. And then 0:13:10.990 --> 0:13:13.270 one day, I mean, I never I never spoke to 0:13:13.270 --> 0:13:17.140 you then, but one day I saw this dancer in 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.020 the radio station. Right, right. What is the dancer doing here? 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:23.440 She knew you were about to join radio. Tell us 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:25.030 about that. How that started. 0:13:25.390 --> 0:13:28.270 First of all, you're very kind, Justin. I think a 0:13:28.270 --> 0:13:32.260 lot of people see tall people, females and MDC is 0:13:32.260 --> 0:13:39.400 that when none the you know? No. So and the deejays, 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:41.780 can I just say poetry? It was so cool, but 0:13:41.780 --> 0:13:43.590 they never really talked to us. 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:45.580 Yeah, yeah, we never hung out. 0:13:47.050 --> 0:13:51.160 Yeah. Like, we also wanted to be your friend, you know, 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:55.300 because her. So the story is it's a it's I 0:13:55.300 --> 0:13:58.510 think I was about twenty four around that time. Like, 0:13:58.510 --> 0:14:00.570 you know, I I joined when I was twenty one 0:14:00.700 --> 0:14:03.490 in D.C. and then I left four years later and 0:14:03.580 --> 0:14:06.160 I left four years later because I wanted to go 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:09.000 travel the world you always had. This would be right, right? 0:14:09.190 --> 0:14:12.730 Just let the wind take me wherever. But because I 0:14:12.730 --> 0:14:16.070 was hosting a lot of camp shows. Sandra Bonaventure, who 0:14:16.070 --> 0:14:20.560 was then the head of Safari Radio. Yeah, and also 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:24.940 on the X. Com for NBC. She when she found 0:14:24.940 --> 0:14:26.290 out I was going to leave just like, Why are 0:14:26.290 --> 0:14:28.900 you throwing a career away? You know, why do you 0:14:28.900 --> 0:14:32.260 try radio, right? You know, I will train you from scratch. 0:14:32.860 --> 0:14:34.270 So it's like, OK, I'm just going to put my 0:14:34.270 --> 0:14:37.240 travel plans on hold. And next thing I know radio 0:14:37.390 --> 0:14:39.140 show beat me up big. 0:14:39.780 --> 0:14:43.270 Wow. That's amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you came in 0:14:43.270 --> 0:14:46.870 and you started this career about 88. But it wasn't 0:14:46.870 --> 0:14:49.180 long later that you came to me a cop, you know, 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:50.869 joining our station nine, eight seven. 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:52.840 And that was a funny one as well. 0:14:52.900 --> 0:14:55.600 Oh wow. Tell us the story. Not everybody knows this, 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:55.900 I guess. 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.540 So it was like, I think one year into my 0:14:58.570 --> 0:15:04.310 two year stint at Carnegie, Richman spoke to the way. Hey, 0:15:04.340 --> 0:15:07.310 can we get her over to two, two, nine, eight, seven? 0:15:07.550 --> 0:15:08.900 And I was like, Dude, I'm not going to bite 0:15:08.900 --> 0:15:10.729 the hand that feeds them. I wanted to stay a 0:15:10.730 --> 0:15:13.040 part of it forever and ever. Yeah. So I said 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:15.710 no and I think boxes, OK, I will never, ever 0:15:15.710 --> 0:15:18.350 hire anyone. So how would I do it again ever again? 0:15:20.350 --> 0:15:23.350 And and just like I thought, things were going great. 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:25.730 It got a bit stifling because I wanted to host 0:15:25.730 --> 0:15:27.650 shows on Channel five. But then every time I did that, 0:15:27.650 --> 0:15:30.650 I had to sign a body. Oh yeah, yeah. And 0:15:30.650 --> 0:15:32.990 after a while, it just got really stifling thoughts like, 0:15:33.290 --> 0:15:35.090 I want to leave. I want to take up that 0:15:35.090 --> 0:15:37.460 offer from that, that right? And it just happened behind 0:15:37.460 --> 0:15:43.380 Mark's back. So all that happened with like, you know, 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:47.830 Dalia and then all these secret meetings happened. Mm hmm. Yeah. 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.120 And then the contract was almost thrown into buckets. But 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:55.000 in a last minute, let's think it's still black. Oh yes, 0:15:55.010 --> 0:15:55.880 in joining us then. 0:15:56.570 --> 0:16:00.830 Oh wow. Yeah, my mocha. My son Matt tends to 0:16:00.830 --> 0:16:03.170 be like that. Yeah, I'm just reading. I'm trying to 0:16:03.170 --> 0:16:08.150 think now, were you the last ever that transited from 0:16:08.150 --> 0:16:10.489 power to nine, eight, seven? I think so. You know, 0:16:10.490 --> 0:16:12.980 I think you might have been the nobody came after that, right? 0:16:14.090 --> 0:16:18.470 You sure Jeremy Ratnam? Oh, yeah, Jeremy. 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:21.200 Yeah, yeah, he did. OK, OK. Because there was a 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:21.500 period of 0:16:21.500 --> 0:16:22.550 time where he went back. 0:16:22.820 --> 0:16:24.620 Yeah, he remember. Yeah, exactly. There's a bit of time. 0:16:24.620 --> 0:16:27.320 There were just so many making the journey. I mean, 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:30.750 funding and I both started there. Yeah. You know, Rotman Carew, 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:33.200 there's so many names you can think of. Does this 0:16:33.620 --> 0:16:38.780 alumni like this huge alumni of X x x Safra, right? OK, 0:16:38.780 --> 0:16:41.420 so let's talk about 1974 for a little bit. You 0:16:41.420 --> 0:16:43.550 were there for for a number of years, and perhaps 0:16:43.730 --> 0:16:46.220 you're most known. You're most known. Stint on radio. What's 0:16:46.220 --> 0:16:49.730 your what's your 97 days? Which which was your most 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:54.350 memorable partnership or shorter you hosted on 987? 0:16:54.830 --> 0:16:59.270 It was. Definitely, shall we? Hmm. I think that was 0:16:59.270 --> 0:17:02.510 really like the high point of my real career for me. 0:17:02.810 --> 0:17:05.899 Play with Sean, it's just so easy. And I remember 0:17:05.900 --> 0:17:08.060 the first couple of times that we went on air. 0:17:08.060 --> 0:17:11.600 It was it was tough because know like the night, right? Right. 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:15.410 And and then both moderates, but only paired us up 0:17:15.410 --> 0:17:18.320 because he thought we were like the tallest people based 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:20.480 on that alone. Yeah, I know what 0:17:21.109 --> 0:17:23.270 you're calling the tallest show on radio. Like, literally, there 0:17:23.270 --> 0:17:23.860 was the tagline. 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:26.690 Yeah, that was Sean's idea. 0:17:27.260 --> 0:17:27.980 Okay, great. 0:17:28.619 --> 0:17:31.400 But I mean, do we have anything else to go 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:35.869 on besides our? I mean, so we were all miserable. Yes, 0:17:36.590 --> 0:17:39.710 clearly nothing, right? Yeah, because that was the only thing then. 0:17:39.730 --> 0:17:42.050 Then I think the first couple of weeks of really, 0:17:42.050 --> 0:17:44.510 really bad. I mean, it's a really bad enough that 0:17:44.510 --> 0:17:48.140 our sense of humor is not very mainstream, but we 0:17:48.140 --> 0:17:50.660 didn't get each other was really bad. So I remember 0:17:50.670 --> 0:17:53.150 Mark pulled us into a meeting room and he sat 0:17:53.150 --> 0:17:56.420 us down and he did a workshop. And after that workshop, 0:17:56.420 --> 0:17:58.850 we certainly got each other and it was things like he. 0:17:58.850 --> 0:18:00.649 He got us to kind of like, write down the 0:18:00.650 --> 0:18:02.450 first thing that came to our mind, but never said 0:18:02.450 --> 0:18:05.690 a word. So for example, if you said flower, I 0:18:05.690 --> 0:18:08.900 would say rose that maybe be like it was the 0:18:08.900 --> 0:18:11.750 sunflower or something. And and with the duck, it turns 0:18:11.750 --> 0:18:17.560 out that I actually sat and Sean was like, Quack, so. 0:18:18.570 --> 0:18:21.530 So it's all these things. So that list, like when 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:24.170 when we then we realized how different we were, we 0:18:24.170 --> 0:18:26.210 kind of used that to our advantage. And I think 0:18:26.210 --> 0:18:27.379 that's something like, you know. 0:18:27.710 --> 0:18:30.950 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, oh, wonderful. Yeah. As with 0:18:30.950 --> 0:18:34.250 all partnerships, eventually it moved on. After that, you were 0:18:34.250 --> 0:18:37.399 teamed with Bobby. Was it you and Bobby? Yes. Yeah. 0:18:37.670 --> 0:18:41.929 I think Bobby and I were really horrible together in 0:18:41.930 --> 0:18:45.020 the sense that I hated it. We hated each other. 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:47.449 You know, to a point where we thought, OK, this. 0:18:47.450 --> 0:18:49.490 This is in part because I feel like I feel 0:18:49.490 --> 0:18:51.020 like at that point of time, I thought he wasn't 0:18:51.020 --> 0:18:53.720 very serious about radio, right? So we had a lot 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:56.389 of like in-person fights to a point where we're like, 0:18:56.390 --> 0:18:58.929 You know what? We're adults, let's go. Let's figure out 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:00.800 where we could get out of this partnership so we 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:03.140 don't have to see each other again. Wow. Right. And 0:19:03.140 --> 0:19:06.110 I think that's how he managed to wrangle like, you know, 0:19:06.710 --> 0:19:08.740 plus eighty five, he went on to class after it. Yeah. 0:19:09.050 --> 0:19:12.760 And I went up. Gosh, I'm still really good friends today. 0:19:12.770 --> 0:19:14.840 Yeah, exactly. You guys are good friends. I that's all 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:17.449 I was going to see here. But, you know, so yeah, 0:19:17.540 --> 0:19:21.590 it's funny how radio partnerships don't necessarily blossom into two 0:19:21.590 --> 0:19:25.820 to two relationships or friendships. But but, you know, sometimes 0:19:25.820 --> 0:19:28.070 if it doesn't work really only in real life, you 0:19:28.100 --> 0:19:29.830 can become real buddies. 0:19:30.750 --> 0:19:34.070 It's true. And I think he's just such a wonderful person, 0:19:34.070 --> 0:19:36.890 like he doesn't have a single grudge bone in his 0:19:36.890 --> 0:19:40.790 body off the radio. Obviously, I don't hate anybody. Like, 0:19:40.790 --> 0:19:42.140 it was just like, you know, I need to explain 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:43.880 why I was the way I was. And then he 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:45.920 said why he was the way he is obviously bitched 0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:48.740 about each other to our own personal set of friends, right? 0:19:48.859 --> 0:19:51.440 So they wanted to know what happened. It was quite 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:53.570 a big thing, but I think ultimately we're just two 0:19:53.570 --> 0:19:57.020 people who who just don't have like that energy to 0:19:57.020 --> 0:19:59.960 hate another person. So we just wanted to settle things. 0:19:59.960 --> 0:20:02.060 And for real, like in real life, it became such 0:20:02.060 --> 0:20:02.570 good friends. 0:20:02.630 --> 0:20:04.850 That's wonderful. Yeah. I mean, I have to say to 0:20:04.850 --> 0:20:07.159 be honest that that there are times that because we 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:10.070 knew we were there when you and Bobby were paired together, 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:13.670 and now we see you and Bobby are like, you know, Instagram. 0:20:13.670 --> 0:20:15.070 And they were like, Yeah, 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:16.399 how come they're so good friends 0:20:16.850 --> 0:20:17.510 with each other 0:20:19.190 --> 0:20:20.680 resolve our individual 0:20:21.500 --> 0:20:25.160 results? So after all those years in radio, who would 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:28.520 you say is your is the best friend you've made 0:20:28.550 --> 0:20:29.210 out of radio? 0:20:30.500 --> 0:20:33.340 I think so way. So we're doing 0:20:33.470 --> 0:20:33.830 what we all 0:20:33.830 --> 0:20:37.310 love, so. She's like my she's my first friend on radio. 0:20:37.609 --> 0:20:41.720 When I joined soccer radio, like every one of us 0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:43.820 was so busy with their thing. And I think they 0:20:43.820 --> 0:20:46.430 also felt a bit like, Oh, I don't know, not 0:20:46.430 --> 0:20:48.890 sure what to make of this new girl who just 0:20:48.890 --> 0:20:53.679 joined so soon. It's like the only one like, hello. Welcome. 0:20:54.369 --> 0:20:57.850 Can I show you around kind of music, do you like? 0:20:58.300 --> 0:21:01.540 So she's been like at this level, high energy, a 0:21:01.540 --> 0:21:04.570 lot of love from then when I knew her until now. 0:21:05.170 --> 0:21:08.890 So like, she's just one of my closest like chosen 0:21:08.890 --> 0:21:11.199 family like cousins in my life. This is 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:13.800 amazing. Oh, that's so nice. And you do such an 0:21:13.930 --> 0:21:15.160 awesome impersonation of Sue. 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:18.109 Yeah, yeah. 0:21:19.390 --> 0:21:21.310 And I, of course, I keep in touch about. 0:21:21.890 --> 0:21:24.880 Right. She's in the US, right? The US 0:21:25.330 --> 0:21:29.619 fit me. No, she didn't. She she wanted to go 0:21:29.619 --> 0:21:31.750 to the US to like, I think, write music, but 0:21:31.990 --> 0:21:34.090 you just let it stop in Sydney for a while. 0:21:34.170 --> 0:21:39.070 Her country, home country in order to, you know, get 0:21:39.070 --> 0:21:41.980 the visa, the one visa to get into America. Yeah. 0:21:41.990 --> 0:21:44.619 But I think somewhere along the way, a baby happened 0:21:44.619 --> 0:21:46.210 and that happened happened. 0:21:46.230 --> 0:21:49.210 And everybody in Australia is going to stay within the borders, right? 0:21:49.210 --> 0:21:50.200 So of course. 0:21:50.510 --> 0:21:51.600 And plus, she's a mum 0:21:52.090 --> 0:21:54.010 for people who don't know, we're talking about Vanessa Fernandez, 0:21:54.010 --> 0:21:56.800 who is a fantastic US singer. Yes. And of course, 0:21:56.810 --> 0:21:58.590 I used to be in radio for, for, for many, many, 0:21:58.690 --> 0:22:03.280 many years. Yeah, but in recent years, you also transit 0:22:03.300 --> 0:22:06.120 a little bit into acting. Oh yeah. 0:22:07.369 --> 0:22:10.810 Why are you? Let me you a transition? What do 0:22:10.810 --> 0:22:12.410 you feel is a mistake? 0:22:12.470 --> 0:22:15.129 Oh, I see you then say that 0:22:15.550 --> 0:22:18.320 if I absolutely have you guys like that before? Come on. 0:22:18.340 --> 0:22:21.730 I mean, I have very small parts of growth, very small. 0:22:21.740 --> 0:22:23.680 But do you not feel uncomfortable? Yes. 0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:25.930 Yeah, I me. Well, that's only because we're we're we're 0:22:25.930 --> 0:22:28.130 true and true radio people. Just the whole thing is 0:22:28.140 --> 0:22:29.860 it's not a thing like, yeah, but but I mean, 0:22:29.859 --> 0:22:32.650 you know, you, you did it. You you. Why? Why? 0:22:32.650 --> 0:22:32.949 Why do 0:22:33.070 --> 0:22:35.889 we it? What will your characters do? You have to 0:22:35.890 --> 0:22:37.240 play yourself? Oh, no, 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:40.000 no, no, no, no. For sure. No one's interested in us. 0:22:40.869 --> 0:22:43.660 I think the most high-profile role Vurnon ever had was 0:22:43.660 --> 0:22:45.780 something to do with what you can write. What you going? Yeah, yeah. 0:22:45.790 --> 0:22:49.060 So I think the most highbrow horror I ever had 0:22:49.060 --> 0:22:51.790 was like a Hawkins picking Bing, which couldn't be more different. 0:22:53.180 --> 0:22:56.320 Yeah. And the ball python. 0:22:56.410 --> 0:22:58.840 Yeah, yeah, you know, so it was very weird and 0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:01.810 all that waiting around and all that memorizing is just like, 0:23:01.810 --> 0:23:04.120 is this shit we don't do? So but you know 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:06.040 the tell us, tell us your point of view. I mean, 0:23:06.550 --> 0:23:09.250 I can't act. I really can't I. When I was 0:23:09.250 --> 0:23:12.369 twenty one after graduating from film school, I think my 0:23:12.369 --> 0:23:15.190 first job for eight months until I got it was 0:23:15.220 --> 0:23:20.980 a casting director and I just wanted to. Yeah, Channel five. Oh, 0:23:20.980 --> 0:23:23.290 I think director, OK. And I don't know if you 0:23:23.290 --> 0:23:25.320 know this guy on sale sale. 0:23:25.330 --> 0:23:25.990 Yeah, I 0:23:25.990 --> 0:23:28.659 know. Channel five. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Let me know, 0:23:29.050 --> 0:23:32.650 why do you fire you? Because I was OK, so 0:23:32.650 --> 0:23:34.540 it doesn't do my one year contract. He fired me, 0:23:34.540 --> 0:23:36.939 says Ross. I'm going to let you go, but I'm 0:23:36.940 --> 0:23:38.739 not going to fire you. You're going to tender your 0:23:38.740 --> 0:23:41.530 resignation in two weeks because you're not performing and you're 0:23:41.530 --> 0:23:47.260 not telling people to just copy the actors, right? When 0:23:47.260 --> 0:23:50.260 the Court of Law and Order as it like, OK, 0:23:50.260 --> 0:23:52.750 I'll only do it because I was transitioning from Rita 0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:55.630 and I had no job. Okay, fine. I'll do it. OK, 0:23:55.869 --> 0:24:01.480 and I hate I hated it. It should be someone else. 0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:02.770 And you're the fellow screwed. 0:24:02.859 --> 0:24:04.690 Are you saying that if they if they call you 0:24:04.690 --> 0:24:05.830 for another show, you wouldn't do it? 0:24:06.220 --> 0:24:08.980 I would say it is like two seasons forward for fun. 0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:11.950 Then season five came about. I was like, OK, fine. 0:24:11.950 --> 0:24:15.190 I guess it's not that difficult, but season five, there 0:24:15.190 --> 0:24:18.159 was some real character development and I had to properly 0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:21.189 act and I was just sweating in my pits because 0:24:21.220 --> 0:24:23.379 it was really not my comfort zone and I wasn't 0:24:23.380 --> 0:24:25.120 excelling in it. I think I put a lot pressure 0:24:25.119 --> 0:24:27.520 on myself to excel and I wasn't doing a good job. 0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:29.950 I got embarrassed that I taken up a slot that 0:24:29.950 --> 0:24:33.030 could have been given to another actor. You know, I 0:24:33.030 --> 0:24:35.379 know how actors look down upon like people were like, Oh, 0:24:35.380 --> 0:24:37.960 you have social media following, so I guess in our gut. 0:24:38.500 --> 0:24:41.710 But I knew that in the cast every day hanging 0:24:41.710 --> 0:24:44.920 around really felt like a fraud. So I already say 0:24:44.920 --> 0:24:46.900 on social media after the show is out, there's no 0:24:46.900 --> 0:24:49.290 more season six. I'm done like I'm done with acting. 0:24:51.220 --> 0:24:54.850 OK, yeah. So I guess, and I'm gonna hurt you. 0:24:56.369 --> 0:24:58.449 No, no, no. Yeah, I'm sort of 0:24:59.200 --> 0:25:03.580 between between now and Mexico, which is, I think, say February. 0:25:03.580 --> 0:25:06.700 So that's actually a very short six months, I think. 0:25:06.970 --> 0:25:09.639 And any major projects you want to tell people about, 0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:11.170 announce or, you know, you just 0:25:11.950 --> 0:25:14.760 on the DL? No, it's just, I think, just small, 0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:17.980 small things. I think Singapore festivals coming up, just hosting 0:25:17.980 --> 0:25:20.790 some livestreams, but not all of it. Cool. Yeah, it's 0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:23.650 a small thing. And I'm creating some content with both 0:25:23.650 --> 0:25:27.430 swag in myself until I leave. Yes, I just got 0:25:27.670 --> 0:25:31.470 this car, but just temporary. Just passed my driving licence. 0:25:31.840 --> 0:25:34.570 No, no. I thought you didn't have a license. What 0:25:34.570 --> 0:25:36.340 do you mean? You just got the car? Exactly. You 0:25:36.340 --> 0:25:36.910 just passed. 0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:42.340 So I passed. I got my licence April 28 last year. 0:25:43.780 --> 0:25:47.020 And then, yeah, then I rented a banged up Suzuki 0:25:47.020 --> 0:25:50.410 just to practice myself. I believe myself familiarized myself with 0:25:50.410 --> 0:25:54.710 like that fucking situation. They don't prepare you for that 0:25:54.710 --> 0:25:57.980 in the study. Exactly, yeah. And the deal with Volkswagen 0:25:57.980 --> 0:26:00.500 just came in a six month thing. 0:26:00.650 --> 0:26:04.670 That's nice. Perfect, perfect timing. What colors? What colors the Volkswagen, 0:26:05.090 --> 0:26:07.399 you know, allow simple color. It'll be like something funky. 0:26:07.650 --> 0:26:10.340 So it's like poor, mellow yellow. But it looks green 0:26:10.340 --> 0:26:11.330 to me. It's like, 0:26:11.650 --> 0:26:12.440 OK, OK, 0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:13.580 we know which car to avoid 0:26:17.590 --> 0:26:19.100 asking for the color. 0:26:21.470 --> 0:26:24.200 But seriously, though, I've never I've never felt more like 0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:29.240 a criminal that as a car owner, suddenly like, you know, 0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:32.250 just speeding a little or like running a red light 0:26:32.270 --> 0:26:33.250 makes you feel like a criminal. 0:26:33.670 --> 0:26:34.419 Right, right? 0:26:35.530 --> 0:26:38.359 Yeah. Like, there's so much anxiety that I'd want to 0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:39.280 break the law. 0:26:39.300 --> 0:26:41.870 Yeah, sure, sure. You'll feel full 0:26:41.869 --> 0:26:43.909 it every day. It's like your phone vibrates, but you 0:26:43.910 --> 0:26:46.280 cannot even glance at it, you know, just the small 0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:49.480 things like that. You'll get over it already very, very, 0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:53.300 very fast when you go, OK, well, drive safe. At 0:26:53.359 --> 0:26:55.729 least I say, Yeah, for sure, man, you know. Yeah, 0:26:55.790 --> 0:26:57.470 if if we see you on the road, you definitely 0:26:57.470 --> 0:26:57.830 honk you. 0:26:57.830 --> 0:27:00.170 I'll stop the car and go back off of you. 0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:06.080 One more. One more thing to do before we go. 0:27:06.369 --> 0:27:08.660 Rosa and thank you for spending the time with us. 0:27:08.900 --> 0:27:11.180 Is this thing where we like to turn the tables? 0:27:11.180 --> 0:27:13.340 So we're asking you questions for half an hour? You're 0:27:13.340 --> 0:27:15.650 probably sick of it already. Let's let's let's let's turn 0:27:15.650 --> 0:27:18.650 it around. Where now you've known us for so many years? 0:27:18.890 --> 0:27:21.500 Is there a question that you've always wanted to but 0:27:21.500 --> 0:27:23.450 never got to ask us? 0:27:23.780 --> 0:27:25.640 OK, I think I want to ask both of you. 0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:27.410 And it's not something that I've been keeping inside me 0:27:27.410 --> 0:27:30.280 for many years. It's just something I've suddenly thought of now. OK, 0:27:30.950 --> 0:27:35.210 let's be real guys like the masseuse, Jeff, and we 0:27:35.210 --> 0:27:38.390 have so many things to do to man. Then there's 0:27:38.390 --> 0:27:39.889 nothing we have not said to each other. 0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:41.090 Exactly, exactly. 0:27:41.119 --> 0:27:43.189 I've got I've got a fresh question for you. Sure. 0:27:44.000 --> 0:27:46.459 Let you know, being pioneers on radio. I mean, you 0:27:46.460 --> 0:27:49.570 joined since you 16, right? Just in the way up, right? 0:27:50.300 --> 0:27:52.520 And same with London as well. You've seen people come 0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:55.520 and go. Right. I want to know your thoughts on 0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:59.210 like people who are not radio people and then joining 0:27:59.210 --> 0:28:03.820 radio because their own careers are not working out, right? 0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:05.370 Oh oh, 0:28:06.740 --> 0:28:07.550 oh, 0:28:08.430 --> 0:28:12.530 oh my goodness. Yeah, this has an aggressive question that 0:28:12.530 --> 0:28:12.680 is 0:28:13.220 --> 0:28:15.710 so like just to make it very, very clear for 0:28:15.710 --> 0:28:18.709 the podcast listeners, right? Yeah. Like I'm telling it, I'm 0:28:18.710 --> 0:28:23.570 talking about like models and TV host and singers and whatnot. Yeah. 0:28:23.750 --> 0:28:28.670 Whose careers are suddenly not happening like a stalemate? And 0:28:28.670 --> 0:28:31.340 they were like, What to do next? Oh, let's join radio. Yep. 0:28:32.060 --> 0:28:34.760 Well, we got a lot of those over the years, obviously. 0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:38.000 And yeah, and I think you you must feel the 0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:40.160 same way that we do. I mean, because we're so 0:28:40.160 --> 0:28:41.190 passionate about you. 0:28:41.390 --> 0:28:44.240 Hey, leave me out of it. No, no, no, no. 0:28:44.870 --> 0:28:45.620 As in as in 0:28:46.340 --> 0:28:48.950 you, you asked this question because I think, you know 0:28:49.580 --> 0:28:53.000 the passion that we have for radio and stuff like that. 0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:58.310 So yeah, it's really it's really frustrating sometimes because, you know, 0:28:58.700 --> 0:29:02.870 people think that radio is the second cousin of more 0:29:02.870 --> 0:29:06.140 glamorous things like TV and modelling and stuff like that. But, 0:29:06.560 --> 0:29:08.600 you know, to make it on radio, you know, there's 0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:10.190 a lot of hard work that goes into it and 0:29:10.190 --> 0:29:12.800 you have to have a certain degree of passion for it. Yeah. 0:29:12.830 --> 0:29:15.500 And yeah, so when people like that come along and 0:29:15.830 --> 0:29:20.540 and obviously being the so-called veterans of the industry and 0:29:20.540 --> 0:29:24.260 of their particular station or whatever, right, we're always tasked 0:29:24.260 --> 0:29:27.080 to do, Hey, let's, you know, put these guys under 0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:29.300 your wing and you got to train them and you 0:29:29.310 --> 0:29:31.250 got to, you know, see them. And it gets really 0:29:31.250 --> 0:29:33.710 frustrating because the minute you talk to them, you know 0:29:33.710 --> 0:29:37.130 that they're for the wrong reason. And you know, like like, wait, 0:29:37.130 --> 0:29:38.420 what do you want to waste your time on people 0:29:38.420 --> 0:29:39.020 like that, right? 0:29:39.050 --> 0:29:43.670 Yeah, unfortunately. And the reason was for people who don't 0:29:43.670 --> 0:29:45.980 know the reason Ross raises his point is because and 0:29:46.010 --> 0:29:48.170 of course he's been he's been. It's happened many times 0:29:48.170 --> 0:29:50.690 over the years. And that's because over the years, unlike 0:29:50.690 --> 0:29:53.420 like when we first joined, radio radio has become so 0:29:53.420 --> 0:29:57.200 much more visual now, you know, so suddenly good looking 0:29:57.200 --> 0:29:59.960 people are more at the forefront and then got then got. 0:29:59.960 --> 0:30:01.040 We joined radio and we did. 0:30:01.130 --> 0:30:02.150 Yeah, we never get hired. 0:30:04.100 --> 0:30:06.680 If we try to join radio since like 2012, they're like, 0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:09.740 No thanks is piss off, you know? So, so by OK, 0:30:10.190 --> 0:30:13.150 the honest truth is this whenever we see someone who 0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:16.250 hired for their looks, it pisses us off because we're like, 0:30:16.790 --> 0:30:18.770 How does looking good equate to being good on radio? 0:30:18.770 --> 0:30:21.980 And never does it never, never, ever does, right? But 0:30:21.980 --> 0:30:24.170 it's been happening even to two recent times. You know, 0:30:24.170 --> 0:30:27.440 people get hired for their looks. But it is when, 0:30:27.830 --> 0:30:30.320 like what Vernon said, when you can, if they are 0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:33.150 willing to put in the effort, the feelings go away. Yeah. 0:30:33.470 --> 0:30:36.320 But if you can tell that they're using it as 0:30:36.320 --> 0:30:39.020 a stepping stone, stepping stone, are they they're using radio 0:30:39.020 --> 0:30:41.720 as a just and some money for now until I 0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:45.740 make it big in this thing. Oh, then then it really. 0:30:46.070 --> 0:30:48.920 But the only consolation is, you know? Yeah, exactly. But 0:30:48.920 --> 0:30:51.350 the only consolation is people like that don't usually last 0:30:51.350 --> 0:30:54.420 very long. They don't. Yeah, so so I guess, you know, 0:30:54.420 --> 0:30:57.350 it's it's a learning curve for for whoever hires these people, 0:30:57.360 --> 0:30:59.970 but yeah, some of you will never learn that. Oh, well, 0:30:59.970 --> 0:31:00.300 you know. 0:31:00.450 --> 0:31:03.210 You know, yeah, about my body. But yeah, I mean, 0:31:03.210 --> 0:31:05.550 and if you talk to the radio people and as 0:31:05.550 --> 0:31:07.680 this select group of us, we like to call the 0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:09.720 radio people, you know, because you're in this group to rise, 0:31:10.500 --> 0:31:12.210 we all feel it. We all feel it when people 0:31:12.210 --> 0:31:15.450 are not hired for their talent because a lot of 0:31:15.450 --> 0:31:19.350 them think radio is easy. Or to on you oughta know, Tony. 0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:22.260 You know, it's not. You have to. You've got to 0:31:22.260 --> 0:31:24.390 put in so much work and effort. And if you 0:31:24.390 --> 0:31:26.790 don't and you just try to say good bye by 0:31:26.790 --> 0:31:29.850 your looks, you will not last. Yeah. Also, what a 0:31:29.850 --> 0:31:33.510 great question. You know, it's so great. Ross never feels 0:31:33.510 --> 0:31:38.820 to real emotions, you know? You know, it's it's it's because, 0:31:38.820 --> 0:31:42.450 you know, we're we're we're of the same heart and mind, Rosie. 0:31:43.020 --> 0:31:45.200 Thank you for spending time with us. 0:31:45.200 --> 0:31:46.320 So we miss you so much. 0:31:46.650 --> 0:31:49.020 We miss, you know, we should. We should do it. 0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:53.070 You know, you are fully vaccinated, right? Yesterday, OK, oh no. 0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:56.100 He's done all right. We can hang out for amusement. Hopefully, 0:31:56.100 --> 0:31:57.750 before you leave, I'll make you. Yeah, yeah, 0:31:58.500 --> 0:32:00.050 let's go eat something Mexican. 0:32:01.750 --> 0:32:06.590 No, no. She's not that for her. Bye bye. You 0:32:06.600 --> 0:32:09.209 take care of yourself. Thank you for being on the 0:32:09.210 --> 0:32:11.260 show and please drive safe, please. 0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:21.300 OK, bye bye birdie. Another inside joke.