1 00:00:00,009 --> 00:00:03,470 Speaker 1: Hi. So I'm Jermaine and welcome back to another episode 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:04,630 Speaker 1: of Clev hash. 3 00:00:06,869 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: So today we're going to discuss something that is not 4 00:00:10,130 --> 00:00:14,090 Speaker 1: talked about as often as usual. What play friendships, work, 5 00:00:14,100 --> 00:00:17,700 Speaker 2: play friendships like this. Let me just establish first that 6 00:00:17,709 --> 00:00:19,559 Speaker 2: we're not friends. We're just coworkers. 7 00:00:19,569 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: Colleagues only. Yeah. So sad. 8 00:00:25,069 --> 00:00:27,659 Speaker 1: Ok. Seriously though. Do you think we are friends or 9 00:00:27,670 --> 00:00:30,159 Speaker 1: just colleagues? Three of us? 10 00:00:33,119 --> 00:00:35,009 Speaker 2: No, I, I don't really like them. 11 00:00:35,810 --> 00:00:39,389 Speaker 2: I do. No, we definitely friends. I think when we 12 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,430 Speaker 2: first started we were colleagues. That's right. We were coworkers. 13 00:00:42,439 --> 00:00:44,759 Speaker 2: We knew each other only within work 14 00:00:44,810 --> 00:00:48,979 Speaker 1: in the office. So, how would you categorize friends versus colleagues? 15 00:00:48,990 --> 00:00:52,229 Speaker 2: Friends are people that you met at work that you 16 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,419 Speaker 2: actually will genuinely meet outside of work? Ok. And even 17 00:00:55,430 --> 00:00:57,259 Speaker 2: if you quit your job or don't work at the 18 00:00:57,270 --> 00:01:00,860 Speaker 2: same place anymore, you still stay friends like that. You 19 00:01:00,869 --> 00:01:03,979 Speaker 2: genuinely enjoy the company and you appreciate them as people 20 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:05,410 Speaker 2: and you don't try to get them fired. 21 00:01:05,839 --> 00:01:08,139 Speaker 2: Exactly. You mean we try to get our coworkers for 22 00:01:08,230 --> 00:01:08,410 Speaker 2: it 23 00:01:12,489 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: more about that later. But I feel like for friends 24 00:01:15,809 --> 00:01:18,819 Speaker 1: you actually tell them personal stuff, like you let them 25 00:01:18,830 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: in on your personal life. Whereas for colleagues, you draw 26 00:01:21,129 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: a very clear boundary work is work and then after work, 27 00:01:25,129 --> 00:01:26,789 Speaker 1: you know, you don't talk to the next day you 28 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:27,569 Speaker 1: come back to work. 29 00:01:27,580 --> 00:01:31,300 Speaker 2: Actually, I have an issue here. I have an issue 30 00:01:31,559 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 2: in drawing lines because I'm an open book. OK. 31 00:01:34,584 --> 00:01:39,753 Speaker 2: Art class. Huh? Sorry can send me. Yeah. Um I'm 32 00:01:39,764 --> 00:01:42,495 Speaker 2: an open book and I'm just very honest that way. 33 00:01:42,504 --> 00:01:44,275 Speaker 2: Like if I thought that I thought, you know. Right. 34 00:01:44,285 --> 00:01:46,394 Speaker 2: But I think, because there are people who draw lines 35 00:01:46,404 --> 00:01:49,544 Speaker 2: very clearly. So that's a little bit scary because to 36 00:01:49,555 --> 00:01:52,934 Speaker 2: me it's like, oh, friends are like, why can't we 37 00:01:52,944 --> 00:01:54,345 Speaker 2: be friends? Right. We can't be 38 00:01:54,355 --> 00:01:56,614 Speaker 1: friends. But there really are people who think that way. 39 00:01:56,819 --> 00:01:59,300 Speaker 1: Maybe they are introverts at heart and they don't feel 40 00:01:59,309 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: comfortable sharing so much with their colleagues. You know what 41 00:02:01,690 --> 00:02:01,699 Speaker 1: I 42 00:02:01,709 --> 00:02:08,350 Speaker 2: remember very clearly. I think it's Wong saying this about Zoete. 43 00:02:09,020 --> 00:02:12,619 Speaker 2: I think this is years ago. I think she said 44 00:02:12,630 --> 00:02:15,990 Speaker 2: something like we're not friends, we're colleagues. How do you 45 00:02:17,220 --> 00:02:19,410 Speaker 2: even know that? I have a lot of useless information 46 00:02:19,419 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 2: in my brain. Wow. I mean, that's, you know, it's 47 00:02:21,690 --> 00:02:23,479 Speaker 2: one thing to feel it, it's another thing to make 48 00:02:23,490 --> 00:02:24,369 Speaker 2: a statement to the media 49 00:02:24,442 --> 00:02:27,182 Speaker 2: saying we're just friends, right? Do you think that's hurtful? 50 00:02:27,192 --> 00:02:30,483 Speaker 2: Of course, it's helpful. If anything, I think a lot 51 00:02:30,492 --> 00:02:33,272 Speaker 2: of people in the media um in our industry, look 52 00:02:33,282 --> 00:02:35,492 Speaker 2: like their friends, but they are just coworkers, 53 00:02:35,502 --> 00:02:37,962 Speaker 1: right? But there's a need to sort of pull up 54 00:02:37,973 --> 00:02:40,613 Speaker 1: like a facade, right? That we are very close and 55 00:02:40,623 --> 00:02:44,022 Speaker 1: we hang out together very often. So workplace friendships of course, 56 00:02:44,032 --> 00:02:47,363 Speaker 1: comes with both pros and cons. On the positive side, 57 00:02:47,373 --> 00:02:51,453 Speaker 1: it enhances job satisfaction. It promotes a positive work culture 58 00:02:51,462 --> 00:02:51,992 Speaker 1: and also 59 00:02:52,065 --> 00:02:55,255 Speaker 1: can lead to increased teamwork. I like this. Yeah. But 60 00:02:55,266 --> 00:02:58,735 Speaker 1: on the other hand, there are some potential drawbacks, for example, 61 00:02:58,796 --> 00:03:02,894 Speaker 1: bias conflicts of interest, favoritism. These are all like very 62 00:03:02,906 --> 00:03:05,675 Speaker 1: sensitive topics. So we all feel like three of us, 63 00:03:05,686 --> 00:03:08,906 Speaker 1: we are friends. But how about I zoom out and 64 00:03:08,916 --> 00:03:10,695 Speaker 1: let's look at the bigger picture. Do you think you 65 00:03:10,705 --> 00:03:14,085 Speaker 1: are friends with your radio partners respectively? So for G 66 00:03:14,126 --> 00:03:15,985 Speaker 1: with Avery for 67 00:03:20,899 --> 00:03:24,258 Speaker 2: Oh OK. OK. It's us, you go first. It 100%. 68 00:03:24,270 --> 00:03:28,449 Speaker 2: We're definitely friends. I feel like he keeps me sane 69 00:03:28,580 --> 00:03:31,009 Speaker 2: because at the end of the day, he's probably the 70 00:03:31,020 --> 00:03:33,609 Speaker 2: person I see the most, you know, I said his 71 00:03:33,619 --> 00:03:36,770 Speaker 2: face for four hours every single day. There's no one 72 00:03:36,779 --> 00:03:39,100 Speaker 2: else that I see for four hours every single day. OK. 73 00:03:39,110 --> 00:03:40,399 Speaker 2: He has a nice face 74 00:03:41,190 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: sometimes I want to smack. But I think because of 75 00:03:45,889 --> 00:03:47,990 Speaker 2: the nature of our job as well, it's a very 76 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,490 Speaker 2: emotionally driven job of which our job is literally to 77 00:03:50,500 --> 00:03:52,919 Speaker 2: entertain people and to be happy, right? But we're not 78 00:03:52,929 --> 00:03:56,679 Speaker 2: happy all the time. So is my first point of 79 00:03:56,690 --> 00:03:58,449 Speaker 2: release for 80 00:03:58,479 --> 00:03:59,130 Speaker 1: him. I 81 00:03:59,139 --> 00:04:01,289 Speaker 2: come in, I cry, I come in, I curse, I 82 00:04:01,300 --> 00:04:04,199 Speaker 2: come in, I scream, I come in, I sing it down. 83 00:04:04,750 --> 00:04:07,619 Speaker 2: If you need help, blink twice, we will come and 84 00:04:07,630 --> 00:04:08,300 Speaker 2: save you. 85 00:04:08,729 --> 00:04:12,630 Speaker 2: Yeah. Like they genuinely friends, genuinely friends and because we 86 00:04:12,639 --> 00:04:16,659 Speaker 2: feed off each other, um his, his biggest fear is 87 00:04:16,670 --> 00:04:19,779 Speaker 2: getting mad and losing it. So when that happens to him, 88 00:04:19,790 --> 00:04:24,549 Speaker 2: he'll look for me to balance things out and like, 89 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,500 Speaker 2: calm down. Right. I think we feed off each other 90 00:04:28,510 --> 00:04:28,670 Speaker 2: that 91 00:04:28,678 --> 00:04:30,519 Speaker 1: way. I think this is true because there was one 92 00:04:30,529 --> 00:04:32,539 Speaker 1: time I saw in the lift and then we were 93 00:04:32,549 --> 00:04:35,179 Speaker 1: talking about your trip. Oh, just came back from overseas. Yeah. Yeah. 94 00:04:35,190 --> 00:04:35,679 Speaker 1: And then he was 95 00:04:35,773 --> 00:04:38,263 Speaker 1: like, yeah, she sent me some photos of a concert. 96 00:04:38,273 --> 00:04:40,513 Speaker 1: I was so envious and I'm like, wow, you guys 97 00:04:40,523 --> 00:04:42,502 Speaker 1: must be really close for you to send photos of 98 00:04:42,513 --> 00:04:45,433 Speaker 1: your trip to him while you're overseas. And I really 99 00:04:45,442 --> 00:04:48,592 Speaker 1: like that. Oh, this sounds like something that would do 100 00:04:48,601 --> 00:04:49,702 Speaker 1: to Avery as well. Oh, 101 00:04:49,713 --> 00:04:53,752 Speaker 2: yeah. Actually, recently I haven't been doing that but he 102 00:04:53,763 --> 00:04:55,553 Speaker 2: told me that when he went to South Africa, he 103 00:04:55,562 --> 00:04:58,222 Speaker 2: would send me tell and he didn't. So we're not 104 00:04:58,233 --> 00:05:01,763 Speaker 2: friends anymore. No. But of course, as you know, Avery 105 00:05:01,773 --> 00:05:02,722 Speaker 2: has been here before, 106 00:05:02,966 --> 00:05:05,835 Speaker 2: um, I think in the one year that we've worked together, 107 00:05:05,846 --> 00:05:08,716 Speaker 2: we've developed a close friendship outside of work and a 108 00:05:08,726 --> 00:05:11,364 Speaker 2: lot of people are surprised to know that we only 109 00:05:11,376 --> 00:05:13,924 Speaker 2: knew each other, knew of each other like a year 110 00:05:13,936 --> 00:05:16,795 Speaker 2: ago or got to meet because before that we weren't friends, 111 00:05:16,805 --> 00:05:18,855 Speaker 2: we weren't even acquaintances. I didn't know, I barely knew 112 00:05:18,865 --> 00:05:21,716 Speaker 2: his last name or his first name. In fact, um, 113 00:05:21,726 --> 00:05:23,946 Speaker 2: but like last week I just took his mom out 114 00:05:23,955 --> 00:05:28,614 Speaker 2: for birthday lunch. So. Right. I think she loves me 115 00:05:28,626 --> 00:05:29,765 Speaker 2: more than she loves him. 116 00:05:30,399 --> 00:05:33,820 Speaker 2: Can confirm that a problem. No. Ok. Thank you. Not 117 00:05:33,829 --> 00:05:36,029 Speaker 2: hard to. Yeah. No, but she's very sweet and you know, 118 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:38,420 Speaker 2: I met his, most of his family members as well. 119 00:05:38,428 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 2: That's another level. Ok. Is it too much? No, I 120 00:05:41,869 --> 00:05:44,169 Speaker 2: think sweet. But actually now that she's mentioned that I 121 00:05:44,178 --> 00:05:47,510 Speaker 2: realized that funny and I don't hang out out of work, 122 00:05:47,730 --> 00:05:50,940 Speaker 2: but maybe, maybe you can be friends without hanging out. 123 00:05:51,026 --> 00:05:54,196 Speaker 2: Correct. Correct. We're definitely friends, but it's just, I guess 124 00:05:54,205 --> 00:05:57,605 Speaker 2: family commitments. Um, he has a family of which he 125 00:05:57,615 --> 00:06:00,405 Speaker 2: doesn't have very much time with. So any time that 126 00:06:00,415 --> 00:06:00,996 Speaker 2: he has is for 127 00:06:01,005 --> 00:06:03,436 Speaker 1: them, this leads me to think about my relationship with 128 00:06:03,786 --> 00:06:07,305 Speaker 1: my radio co-host. So, like you and we don't hang 129 00:06:07,315 --> 00:06:10,186 Speaker 1: out outside of work. Ok. But we have a very 130 00:06:10,476 --> 00:06:11,526 Speaker 1: sort of clear 131 00:06:11,652 --> 00:06:14,502 Speaker 1: in between us. I guess this has got to do 132 00:06:14,511 --> 00:06:16,191 Speaker 1: with the fact that he is a bit more of 133 00:06:16,201 --> 00:06:19,832 Speaker 1: an introvert. He, he actually is an introvert guy but 134 00:06:19,842 --> 00:06:22,161 Speaker 1: he shares a lot of himself, like on air and 135 00:06:22,171 --> 00:06:24,861 Speaker 1: on his Instagram stories. And I find that these two 136 00:06:24,872 --> 00:06:27,421 Speaker 1: points are the two platforms where I get to know 137 00:06:27,432 --> 00:06:30,342 Speaker 1: most about him. Oh, his social media. Yeah. His social 138 00:06:30,351 --> 00:06:32,201 Speaker 1: media and the stuff that he shares about online 139 00:06:32,529 --> 00:06:36,190 Speaker 1: when we are on air in between songs, we are 140 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:40,660 Speaker 1: usually just busy looking for news to talk about. We hardly, yeah, 141 00:06:40,670 --> 00:06:44,100 Speaker 1: actually we hardly communicate about our personal lives. I wouldn't 142 00:06:44,109 --> 00:06:46,609 Speaker 1: say that we are not friends, you know? But when 143 00:06:46,619 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: we meet outside of work, it's usually with our colleagues, 144 00:06:50,178 --> 00:06:52,339 Speaker 1: like all of our evening drive time team 145 00:06:52,559 --> 00:06:55,558 Speaker 1: getting together, sitting down for a meal. So, would you 146 00:06:55,570 --> 00:06:58,730 Speaker 2: make plans with, like, on a random Saturday just to 147 00:06:58,738 --> 00:07:00,039 Speaker 2: go out for lunch? 148 00:07:01,380 --> 00:07:05,149 Speaker 1: I don't think you will say yes, I would say 149 00:07:06,250 --> 00:07:09,839 Speaker 2: try, try. Ok, so the lines are blurred, right? It's 150 00:07:09,850 --> 00:07:12,260 Speaker 2: not necessarily like if you don't meet outside of work, 151 00:07:12,269 --> 00:07:15,350 Speaker 2: you're not friends or anything like that or you're just colleagues. 152 00:07:15,420 --> 00:07:17,619 Speaker 1: Yeah. But he's such a nice person. I find that 153 00:07:17,899 --> 00:07:20,350 Speaker 1: our relationship is more of like a one way thing. 154 00:07:20,359 --> 00:07:24,070 Speaker 1: Like I'm always telling him about my emotions my day, 155 00:07:24,079 --> 00:07:27,179 Speaker 1: what I saw but he, he usually keeps his, like 156 00:07:27,190 --> 00:07:29,850 Speaker 1: emotions to himself. He never ask because if he doesn't 157 00:07:29,859 --> 00:07:31,179 Speaker 1: want to say, I don't want to seem like I'm 158 00:07:31,190 --> 00:07:33,769 Speaker 1: probing or like invading in his personal space. You know 159 00:07:33,779 --> 00:07:37,279 Speaker 1: what I mean? Let's respect that person. I think it 160 00:07:37,290 --> 00:07:37,959 Speaker 1: is good to. 161 00:07:38,839 --> 00:07:43,769 Speaker 1: So Yeah, workplace friendships. It has its complications. But I 162 00:07:43,779 --> 00:07:46,779 Speaker 1: do say I prefer being friends with my colleagues. What 163 00:07:46,790 --> 00:07:49,190 Speaker 2: if it's a friend that you met? Like, let's say, 164 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,279 Speaker 2: you know, this person from school? Right. And then you 165 00:07:51,290 --> 00:07:53,790 Speaker 2: guys were friends and now your colleagues. 166 00:07:53,799 --> 00:07:56,910 Speaker 1: But isn't it even better? It's better. Right. Right. Like 167 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,910 Speaker 1: people I met from the competition? Oh, from, we have, 168 00:08:01,220 --> 00:08:01,850 Speaker 1: we have, 169 00:08:02,684 --> 00:08:06,984 Speaker 1: we were actually friends first before colleagues. Right. Yeah. And 170 00:08:06,994 --> 00:08:10,005 Speaker 1: I find that there's a different bond between us compared to, 171 00:08:10,015 --> 00:08:11,744 Speaker 1: like the rest of the DJ s because we actually 172 00:08:11,755 --> 00:08:13,644 Speaker 1: went through things together. 173 00:08:13,654 --> 00:08:16,214 Speaker 2: Right. I like it too. I feel like there's no 174 00:08:16,225 --> 00:08:22,454 Speaker 2: harm in that. But I think I've seen firsthand sometimes how, 175 00:08:22,464 --> 00:08:25,464 Speaker 2: maybe some people are not fond of it. Right. And 176 00:08:25,475 --> 00:08:26,454 Speaker 2: I think 177 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: maybe because we feel like it doesn't get in the 178 00:08:29,450 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: way of work. You know what I mean? But I 179 00:08:31,049 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 2: think there are some people out there who are a 180 00:08:32,289 --> 00:08:36,020 Speaker 2: little bit more. I will not let anything get in 181 00:08:36,030 --> 00:08:38,049 Speaker 2: the way of me and work. They are a little 182 00:08:38,059 --> 00:08:42,069 Speaker 2: bit more driven of which not say driven, but maybe 183 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,419 Speaker 2: some people just would do anything to get whatever they want. Oh, 184 00:08:45,429 --> 00:08:49,219 Speaker 2: that sounds very malicious. Like, like some backstabbing. Yeah, you 185 00:08:49,250 --> 00:08:51,690 Speaker 2: can imagine there are those kind of things happening. Right. 186 00:08:51,700 --> 00:08:52,460 Speaker 2: You know, where 187 00:08:53,010 --> 00:08:55,979 Speaker 2: people are a little bit more competitive of which you're 188 00:08:55,989 --> 00:08:59,450 Speaker 2: not a friend, you're a competition. I'm here to take 189 00:08:59,460 --> 00:08:59,950 Speaker 2: care of myself 190 00:08:59,960 --> 00:09:03,390 Speaker 1: and myself. Actually, here's a story from our PD before 191 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,489 Speaker 1: she joined the workforce. She was warned by some of 192 00:09:05,500 --> 00:09:08,820 Speaker 1: her seniors about backstabbing colleagues. So they say things like 193 00:09:08,830 --> 00:09:09,859 Speaker 1: your colleagues are not your 194 00:09:10,455 --> 00:09:12,645 Speaker 1: up until today. She still hears the same sentence from 195 00:09:12,655 --> 00:09:15,354 Speaker 1: close friends during meetups when they are complaining about work. 196 00:09:15,465 --> 00:09:19,414 Speaker 1: And you know what? Actually before I stepped to the 197 00:09:19,424 --> 00:09:21,864 Speaker 1: media Corp, I've heard a lot about how in the 198 00:09:21,875 --> 00:09:24,705 Speaker 1: media industry, not just Singapore, like in general. Right? There's 199 00:09:24,715 --> 00:09:26,835 Speaker 1: a lot of politics, there's a lot of backstabbing, 200 00:09:27,380 --> 00:09:29,189 Speaker 1: but I find that that's not the case in radio 201 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:30,020 Speaker 1: at least. But I 202 00:09:30,030 --> 00:09:32,650 Speaker 2: think people that speak on something that they don't know 203 00:09:32,659 --> 00:09:34,869 Speaker 2: anything about, you know, they would just make assumptions, right? 204 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,140 Speaker 2: I do truly believe that you can be friends with 205 00:09:37,150 --> 00:09:40,590 Speaker 2: your colleagues, but I think you have to pick them. Well, 206 00:09:40,599 --> 00:09:42,039 Speaker 2: you can't just be friends with anyone, 207 00:09:42,465 --> 00:09:44,473 Speaker 1: right? But how do you do this picking then 208 00:09:44,484 --> 00:09:47,924 Speaker 2: analyze that character? Yeah. Don't be like a and then 209 00:09:47,934 --> 00:09:51,184 Speaker 2: just pour your heart out within a month of knowing them. 210 00:09:52,255 --> 00:09:55,093 Speaker 2: Wait and see if they can be trusted or not 211 00:09:55,104 --> 00:09:57,075 Speaker 2: because sometimes they give you like a faint sense of 212 00:09:57,085 --> 00:09:57,674 Speaker 2: trust like 213 00:09:57,919 --> 00:10:00,549 Speaker 2: um I'll give you an example. OK. So I have 214 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 2: a close friend, um she joined a company and she 215 00:10:03,690 --> 00:10:07,368 Speaker 2: has this colleague who's like maybe about 20 something years 216 00:10:07,380 --> 00:10:11,650 Speaker 2: older than her. So her colleague's daughter and and her 217 00:10:11,659 --> 00:10:14,090 Speaker 2: are the same age. So she sees this colleague a 218 00:10:14,099 --> 00:10:17,229 Speaker 2: bit like a mother figure, you know, very maternal, very sweet. 219 00:10:17,390 --> 00:10:19,669 Speaker 2: So over the course of like a month, she started 220 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,750 Speaker 2: to confide in this person about her own personal life, 221 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: about her own mother, her family, you know, her, her 222 00:10:25,409 --> 00:10:27,460 Speaker 2: personal issues and problems 223 00:10:27,989 --> 00:10:34,090 Speaker 2: turns out two months later, this colleague's daughter had been 224 00:10:34,099 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 2: spreading all of this private information to people, right? And 225 00:10:39,450 --> 00:10:42,590 Speaker 2: it got back to my friend because their daughter, the 226 00:10:42,599 --> 00:10:44,299 Speaker 2: daughter is the same age as her. So they have 227 00:10:44,309 --> 00:10:47,189 Speaker 2: common friends, they have mutual friends. So her mutual friends 228 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,030 Speaker 2: came to her and said, hey, do you have a 229 00:10:49,039 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: colleague called? So and so because her daughter just told 230 00:10:51,530 --> 00:10:53,210 Speaker 2: me that you da da da da da did this 231 00:10:53,219 --> 00:10:55,119 Speaker 2: and did that and you're going to be fired, your 232 00:10:55,130 --> 00:10:56,140 Speaker 2: reputation is so bad 233 00:10:56,241 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 2: and stuff. Yeah, it came from the daughter. So the 234 00:10:59,130 --> 00:11:01,809 Speaker 2: mother bitch to the daughter, daughter, bitch to the friends 235 00:11:01,820 --> 00:11:04,130 Speaker 2: got back to her. So which is a bitch. Yeah. 236 00:11:04,140 --> 00:11:04,309 Speaker 2: So 237 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: it is the mother of the daughter both because a 238 00:11:09,101 --> 00:11:12,171 Speaker 2: case of I'm not supposed to tell anyone hazy but 239 00:11:12,190 --> 00:11:13,820 Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you. Ok. No, as in from 240 00:11:13,830 --> 00:11:18,380 Speaker 2: the mother to the daughter. Yes, still, still still. I mean, 241 00:11:18,390 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 2: this could really hurt someone's reputation, it defamation. 242 00:11:21,660 --> 00:11:23,812 Speaker 2: So be careful who you trust even though they may 243 00:11:23,822 --> 00:11:25,420 Speaker 2: seem like a mother figure to you. 244 00:11:25,671 --> 00:11:28,591 Speaker 1: But I I feel like when your colleagues speak to you, 245 00:11:28,601 --> 00:11:31,302 Speaker 1: you already can have a good sense of how they are. Like, 246 00:11:31,312 --> 00:11:34,742 Speaker 1: I've met someone in my ex workplace, like she seemed 247 00:11:34,752 --> 00:11:37,581 Speaker 1: very nice. But then like after one week of talking 248 00:11:37,591 --> 00:11:40,460 Speaker 1: to her, she started bitching about other colleagues, like mutual 249 00:11:40,471 --> 00:11:43,030 Speaker 1: colleagues that we had. So that's when I know, ok, 250 00:11:43,041 --> 00:11:45,682 Speaker 1: maybe I should stay away from this person. I think 251 00:11:45,692 --> 00:11:47,012 Speaker 2: that's a sign or something like 252 00:11:47,083 --> 00:11:49,692 Speaker 2: you should look out for and stay away from because 253 00:11:49,703 --> 00:11:51,603 Speaker 2: if they can bitch for other people, they can bitch 254 00:11:51,612 --> 00:11:54,203 Speaker 2: by you. Exactly. Ok. But let me flip it around. 255 00:11:54,213 --> 00:11:56,892 Speaker 2: Let's just say, I mean your friends, ok, you've become 256 00:11:56,903 --> 00:12:00,263 Speaker 2: friends in the workplace and then you guys, you know, 257 00:12:00,273 --> 00:12:04,922 Speaker 2: as a group talk bad about other people that has 258 00:12:04,932 --> 00:12:06,853 Speaker 2: happened before or not talk bad. I would say just 259 00:12:06,862 --> 00:12:10,223 Speaker 2: discuss gossip, gossip about other people. 260 00:12:10,232 --> 00:12:12,432 Speaker 1: I think that's fine but not within 261 00:12:12,504 --> 00:12:14,114 Speaker 1: one week of knowing each other. Oh, 262 00:12:14,124 --> 00:12:19,882 Speaker 2: maybe the difference is that you're talking about it in 263 00:12:19,893 --> 00:12:23,734 Speaker 2: that safe space that you've created as friends as compared 264 00:12:23,744 --> 00:12:26,414 Speaker 2: to just now where this person was going around, 265 00:12:26,424 --> 00:12:29,314 Speaker 1: right? Oh Yeah, I think the amount of time that 266 00:12:29,323 --> 00:12:32,943 Speaker 1: you spent together and where you are actually discussing these topics, 267 00:12:33,114 --> 00:12:36,564 Speaker 1: they actually matter, say like a chill night out like 268 00:12:36,573 --> 00:12:37,853 Speaker 1: just a couple of friends 269 00:12:38,054 --> 00:12:41,054 Speaker 1: over some drinks. Then I feel like fine, it's OK 270 00:12:41,065 --> 00:12:43,784 Speaker 1: to like talk about it, whatever is said there remains 271 00:12:43,794 --> 00:12:48,034 Speaker 1: there but not like over lunch at a crowded, 272 00:12:48,695 --> 00:12:49,784 Speaker 2: when you just got to 273 00:12:49,794 --> 00:12:51,655 Speaker 1: know, you just got to know this person is your 274 00:12:51,664 --> 00:12:53,655 Speaker 1: like first time hanging out with this person 275 00:12:53,664 --> 00:12:56,843 Speaker 2: because if you are like real friends and like sharing 276 00:12:56,854 --> 00:12:59,914 Speaker 2: your emotions kind of thing, that's like seeking for comfort, 277 00:12:59,924 --> 00:13:02,734 Speaker 2: trauma bonding. I love that for you. 278 00:13:04,489 --> 00:13:08,609 Speaker 1: But of course, we have cases where we have some colleagues, 279 00:13:08,619 --> 00:13:11,119 Speaker 1: then slowly they upgrade to being friends, right? So how 280 00:13:11,130 --> 00:13:12,780 Speaker 1: do you know when you know this person is no 281 00:13:12,789 --> 00:13:15,488 Speaker 1: longer a colleague but a friend, like I think was 282 00:13:15,500 --> 00:13:17,819 Speaker 1: this case for me, we we weren't particularly close during 283 00:13:17,830 --> 00:13:21,299 Speaker 1: the competition but after that, when he joined and we 284 00:13:21,309 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: were paired up in the Night Belt together, we were 285 00:13:23,289 --> 00:13:25,349 Speaker 1: first colleagues. I was like, oh man, I don't know 286 00:13:25,359 --> 00:13:27,330 Speaker 1: if I can get together with like get along well 287 00:13:27,340 --> 00:13:28,159 Speaker 1: with this person. 288 00:13:28,539 --> 00:13:31,539 Speaker 1: But then after that, we became such good friends that 289 00:13:31,549 --> 00:13:33,489 Speaker 1: we actually would meet up outside 290 00:13:33,500 --> 00:13:36,349 Speaker 2: of work. I just think you can sense the chemistry 291 00:13:36,359 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 2: with a friend because even with you and like from us, 292 00:13:39,289 --> 00:13:41,710 Speaker 2: watching from the outside, I could tell that you genuinely 293 00:13:41,719 --> 00:13:43,770 Speaker 2: enjoyed spending time with him, you know, 294 00:13:44,275 --> 00:13:47,324 Speaker 2: Tik Toks with him doing videos and photos with him 295 00:13:47,335 --> 00:13:49,744 Speaker 2: and and he's someone that you look like you would 296 00:13:49,755 --> 00:13:52,315 Speaker 2: confide in. So I think when you have that sense 297 00:13:52,325 --> 00:13:54,945 Speaker 2: of trust outside of work, that's when you know you've 298 00:13:54,955 --> 00:13:56,243 Speaker 2: been upgraded to a friend. 299 00:13:56,525 --> 00:13:58,994 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a nice feeling actually. Thank you 300 00:14:01,119 --> 00:14:03,189 Speaker 2: for it. I think at the end of the day also, 301 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,859 Speaker 2: maybe it takes all these individuals who are gonna be 302 00:14:05,869 --> 00:14:08,820 Speaker 2: friends to understand that my job is my job and 303 00:14:08,830 --> 00:14:11,729 Speaker 2: my work is my work. Right. And, you know, that 304 00:14:11,739 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 2: has nothing to do with the friendship. So no one 305 00:14:14,330 --> 00:14:17,890 Speaker 2: can see as competition or a threat or, you know, 306 00:14:17,900 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 2: that I'm gonna throw you under the bus, the level 307 00:14:21,210 --> 00:14:22,390 Speaker 2: of upgrade. Right. 308 00:14:22,815 --> 00:14:25,455 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this is what our producer, Ann used 309 00:14:25,465 --> 00:14:28,335 Speaker 1: to think she doesn't believe in turning colleagues into friends, 310 00:14:28,344 --> 00:14:31,804 Speaker 1: but she became friends with a former coworker. So they 311 00:14:31,815 --> 00:14:34,025 Speaker 1: actually met a month before our producer, quit her old 312 00:14:34,034 --> 00:14:37,164 Speaker 1: job and this person was a new intern. So our 313 00:14:37,174 --> 00:14:40,695 Speaker 1: producer was a senior there. So they have this like hierarchy, right? 314 00:14:40,705 --> 00:14:43,505 Speaker 1: Senior junior, she was there to train her, the intern 315 00:14:43,515 --> 00:14:44,234 Speaker 1: was there to learn 316 00:14:44,489 --> 00:14:47,809 Speaker 1: so soon after our producer left that job, they lost 317 00:14:47,820 --> 00:14:52,219 Speaker 1: touch but somehow they reconnected via Instagram months later and then, er, 318 00:14:52,229 --> 00:14:55,210 Speaker 1: the intern suggested a meet up. So they met up 319 00:14:55,219 --> 00:14:57,270 Speaker 1: and now they are very, very close friends today. But 320 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:57,479 Speaker 1: do you 321 00:14:57,489 --> 00:15:02,020 Speaker 2: think that it's because they reconnected after leaving the job? 322 00:15:02,489 --> 00:15:04,460 Speaker 2: That's why they got closer. I believe 323 00:15:04,469 --> 00:15:05,460 Speaker 1: there's a huge reason why 324 00:15:05,469 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 2: if they were senior and intern at that job, I 325 00:15:08,409 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 2: don't think they could have gotten that close 326 00:15:10,536 --> 00:15:14,226 Speaker 2: because really, I mean, not even like your boss, right? 327 00:15:14,236 --> 00:15:16,606 Speaker 2: But someone way more senior than you. Have you ever 328 00:15:16,616 --> 00:15:18,666 Speaker 2: really been able to be like true friends with them 329 00:15:18,676 --> 00:15:21,846 Speaker 2: outside of work? They are still your colleagues but they're 330 00:15:21,856 --> 00:15:24,435 Speaker 2: not at the same level as you, I think you 331 00:15:24,445 --> 00:15:28,745 Speaker 2: could be friends. But the hesitation there would be in 332 00:15:28,755 --> 00:15:32,705 Speaker 2: the event that the senior has to tell you off 333 00:15:32,765 --> 00:15:35,346 Speaker 2: or let's say you get really close or like fire 334 00:15:35,356 --> 00:15:36,486 Speaker 2: you and you, 335 00:15:36,581 --> 00:15:41,461 Speaker 2: you guys are friends. Yeah, it is. That has happened. Yeah. 336 00:15:41,512 --> 00:15:42,961 Speaker 2: So don't be friends with your boss. They might have 337 00:15:42,971 --> 00:15:44,611 Speaker 2: to fire you one day. But if you 338 00:15:44,622 --> 00:15:47,601 Speaker 1: were true friends, would you be able to understand where 339 00:15:47,611 --> 00:15:50,392 Speaker 1: he's coming from? The fact that he had to fire 340 00:15:50,401 --> 00:15:53,471 Speaker 2: you? Yes, because it has nothing to do with the friendship. 341 00:15:53,481 --> 00:15:56,262 Speaker 2: You can't expect that fella to save your ass just 342 00:15:56,271 --> 00:15:58,311 Speaker 2: because that fella is your friend. That's a bias. But 343 00:15:58,322 --> 00:16:00,471 Speaker 2: my ego would not allow me to be friends with 344 00:16:00,481 --> 00:16:01,911 Speaker 2: the person moving on from that. 345 00:16:02,929 --> 00:16:05,979 Speaker 2: Yeah. It's very like, embarrassing to be fired by your friend. 346 00:16:06,179 --> 00:16:08,239 Speaker 2: If anyone has such a story or experience, can you 347 00:16:08,419 --> 00:16:08,719 Speaker 2: share with us? 348 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: Very juicy. Yeah. But what if moving on, he helps 349 00:16:12,890 --> 00:16:15,750 Speaker 1: you find another job to sort of like salvage himself, 350 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:18,359 Speaker 2: right. As a friend. Yeah. That's sweet. I think that's 351 00:16:18,369 --> 00:16:21,500 Speaker 2: a nice, he doesn't have to. Right. I'm just being 352 00:16:21,510 --> 00:16:22,260 Speaker 2: petty but not. 353 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:29,869 Speaker 2: Yeah. That fired me. Right. Christian G, you have had 354 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:31,719 Speaker 2: to fire people. Will you have a friend to any 355 00:16:31,729 --> 00:16:35,940 Speaker 2: of them? I draw a very, very clear line at, 356 00:16:36,099 --> 00:16:38,849 Speaker 2: you know, obviously not in the media because I don't 357 00:16:38,859 --> 00:16:40,669 Speaker 2: have to fire anybody in the media. But I draw 358 00:16:40,679 --> 00:16:43,010 Speaker 2: a very clear line at other things that I do. 359 00:16:43,020 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 2: I see them all as, you know, coworkers and II, 360 00:16:46,890 --> 00:16:48,940 Speaker 2: I don't want to have any bias or favor. 361 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,289 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that, you know, they were friends. Anyone 362 00:16:53,299 --> 00:16:56,210 Speaker 2: I've had to fire because it just, it just gets complicated. 363 00:16:56,219 --> 00:16:58,830 Speaker 2: I prefer to keep it professional because it's a lot 364 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:03,299 Speaker 2: easier also to, you know, um, get the team going 365 00:17:03,330 --> 00:17:06,089 Speaker 2: when you're not like all chummy, chummy is friends. They 366 00:17:06,099 --> 00:17:08,448 Speaker 2: can be friends. I'm more than happy for them to 367 00:17:08,459 --> 00:17:10,250 Speaker 2: have because they see each other every day. Spend so 368 00:17:10,260 --> 00:17:11,169 Speaker 2: much time with each other 369 00:17:11,468 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 2: for me to be friends with them. It complicates matters. 370 00:17:14,279 --> 00:17:18,488 Speaker 2: But you sit down, have lunch sometimes and stuff like that. So, 371 00:17:18,499 --> 00:17:21,197 Speaker 2: in these settings, what do you talk about? If it's 372 00:17:21,208 --> 00:17:24,519 Speaker 2: not personal things? I do talk about personal things but 373 00:17:24,529 --> 00:17:27,948 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that they are things that are extremely 374 00:17:27,958 --> 00:17:29,958 Speaker 2: close to your, yeah, they're not extremely close to my heart. 375 00:17:29,968 --> 00:17:32,078 Speaker 2: They are just personal things like about myself or about 376 00:17:32,088 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 2: how my day was. 377 00:17:33,099 --> 00:17:35,629 Speaker 2: I did last week what I ate yesterday, things like that, 378 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,109 Speaker 2: but not like things that I'm struggling with. Right. 379 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,060 Speaker 1: Your employees never have to know that. Right. It's hard 380 00:17:41,069 --> 00:17:44,150 Speaker 2: to show vulnerability. Yeah, I think. Well, but 381 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,770 Speaker 1: you know what if you are in the management position actually, 382 00:17:46,780 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: like what Jimmy mentioned just now, it's great for the 383 00:17:49,290 --> 00:17:52,540 Speaker 1: employees to be friends amongst each other because it actually 384 00:17:52,550 --> 00:17:54,650 Speaker 1: increases employee engagement. 385 00:17:55,069 --> 00:17:58,369 Speaker 1: So one workplace study by Gallup found that employees who 386 00:17:58,380 --> 00:18:01,150 Speaker 1: have a best friend in the office are seven times 387 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,649 Speaker 1: more likely to be more engaged in their work. But 388 00:18:03,660 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: this number drops to just 10% when the employees keep 389 00:18:07,170 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: their relationships purely professional. 390 00:18:09,010 --> 00:18:12,089 Speaker 2: Oh, well, yeah, I mean, if you have friends at work, 391 00:18:12,099 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 2: genuine friends, you know, you can hang out with them 392 00:18:13,650 --> 00:18:17,609 Speaker 2: have lunch, it's a lot less lonely. And I really 393 00:18:17,619 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 2: do think it increases job satisfaction. You're just happier in 394 00:18:20,810 --> 00:18:22,219 Speaker 2: your job. You want to perform 395 00:18:22,292 --> 00:18:26,743 Speaker 2: more, be more involved. And apparently, um, statistics have shown 396 00:18:26,753 --> 00:18:29,953 Speaker 2: that it also means that you take fewer sick days 397 00:18:30,071 --> 00:18:32,772 Speaker 2: if you have friends at work because if your friends 398 00:18:32,782 --> 00:18:34,662 Speaker 2: are outside and you take sick days to spend time 399 00:18:34,672 --> 00:18:35,532 Speaker 2: with them. Right. 400 00:18:36,192 --> 00:18:38,342 Speaker 1: But your friends at the workplace, then you just go 401 00:18:38,353 --> 00:18:40,422 Speaker 1: to work and talk to them. Exactly. 402 00:18:41,192 --> 00:18:44,082 Speaker 2: Exactly. Let me tell you what happened. Ok. I went 403 00:18:44,093 --> 00:18:46,883 Speaker 2: on a trip. Right. I came back to work and 404 00:18:46,892 --> 00:18:49,442 Speaker 2: then the next day Jeremy came back, 405 00:18:49,515 --> 00:18:52,086 Speaker 2: um, on that day that Jeremy came back to work. 406 00:18:52,095 --> 00:18:53,775 Speaker 2: So that meant that I haven't seen her in, like, 407 00:18:53,786 --> 00:18:56,025 Speaker 2: two weeks. Right. I was already going home by the way, 408 00:18:56,036 --> 00:18:59,095 Speaker 2: mind you, I was already at the lobby and I remember, oh, 409 00:18:59,105 --> 00:19:01,946 Speaker 2: she's back, I went back out and I sat all 410 00:19:01,955 --> 00:19:04,026 Speaker 2: the way until like the end of my show. Yeah. 411 00:19:04,515 --> 00:19:07,595 Speaker 2: To be with her just sitting and like chatting, she 412 00:19:07,605 --> 00:19:09,426 Speaker 2: was literally on the way out. Like she sent me 413 00:19:09,436 --> 00:19:15,845 Speaker 2: a video like, oh bye. I was like, hey, I'm here. Yeah. 414 00:19:15,946 --> 00:19:16,446 Speaker 2: So 415 00:19:16,739 --> 00:19:19,588 Speaker 2: yes, it, it does make me stay at work. Yes, 416 00:19:19,609 --> 00:19:22,478 Speaker 2: it makes her stay longer than is necessary at 417 00:19:22,489 --> 00:19:25,648 Speaker 1: work. Social and emotional support. That's what it 418 00:19:25,659 --> 00:19:30,509 Speaker 2: is. There we go. Um It also does increase productivity, right? 419 00:19:30,519 --> 00:19:34,109 Speaker 2: A researchers at the University of Pennsylvania and Minnesota um 420 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:39,308 Speaker 2: confirm that close friendships increase workplace productivity because friends are 421 00:19:39,318 --> 00:19:42,168 Speaker 2: more committed to each other, they communicate and help each 422 00:19:42,178 --> 00:19:43,808 Speaker 2: other better, right? Let's see. 423 00:19:43,962 --> 00:19:45,791 Speaker 2: Let's say, you know, there are some people at work 424 00:19:45,802 --> 00:19:47,771 Speaker 2: where they just rub you the wrong way or you've 425 00:19:47,781 --> 00:19:50,011 Speaker 2: rubbed them the wrong way and you can't get along, 426 00:19:50,021 --> 00:19:53,602 Speaker 2: imagine how hard it is to work with them. I 427 00:19:53,612 --> 00:19:56,161 Speaker 2: think they throw a staple in your face. It's not, 428 00:19:56,171 --> 00:19:57,101 Speaker 2: it's just not 429 00:19:57,192 --> 00:20:00,161 Speaker 1: in a context setting, right? Like we do have to 430 00:20:00,171 --> 00:20:03,001 Speaker 1: produce a lot of show texts for our shows. So 431 00:20:03,011 --> 00:20:05,311 Speaker 1: I think that it helps that we are actually friends 432 00:20:05,321 --> 00:20:08,281 Speaker 1: with our coworkers or colleagues because then we will feel 433 00:20:08,291 --> 00:20:10,821 Speaker 1: more motivated to get this show text done and not 434 00:20:10,832 --> 00:20:11,111 Speaker 1: just leave 435 00:20:11,185 --> 00:20:13,275 Speaker 1: it to the other person because there's quite a lot 436 00:20:13,285 --> 00:20:17,275 Speaker 1: to do and the amount of creativity and the chemistry 437 00:20:17,285 --> 00:20:20,114 Speaker 1: that has to be executed in the text. It also, 438 00:20:20,125 --> 00:20:22,135 Speaker 1: it is a test of your friendship. It's easier. 439 00:20:22,145 --> 00:20:25,454 Speaker 2: It's team work, it's friendship. You know, it's having that, 440 00:20:25,464 --> 00:20:27,665 Speaker 2: that sort of like chemistry with each other as well. 441 00:20:27,694 --> 00:20:30,405 Speaker 2: You've seen that trend on tiktok right now, right. You know, 442 00:20:30,415 --> 00:20:32,344 Speaker 2: it started with the, all you need is your best 443 00:20:32,354 --> 00:20:34,694 Speaker 2: friend and then now it's all you need is your co-worker. 444 00:20:34,875 --> 00:20:37,074 Speaker 2: And then the next slide is basically like a screenshot 445 00:20:37,084 --> 00:20:38,334 Speaker 2: of your conversation or something. 446 00:20:38,540 --> 00:20:39,550 Speaker 2: It's a trend right now. 447 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,228 Speaker 1: Oh, is that a positive thing? 448 00:20:42,579 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 2: I don't know. Some conversations I've seen between coworkers include 449 00:20:46,449 --> 00:20:49,540 Speaker 2: like I am shopping for coffins right now 450 00:20:51,670 --> 00:20:52,250 Speaker 2: and 451 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,780 Speaker 2: the friend would be like, please order 452 00:20:55,790 --> 00:20:56,510 Speaker 1: two. 453 00:20:57,219 --> 00:20:59,890 Speaker 1: So on that note, how do we then deal with 454 00:20:59,900 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: work related conflicts or disagreements? Sure. We can be like, 455 00:21:02,810 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: you know, good friends shop for coffins together. But at 456 00:21:05,530 --> 00:21:09,420 Speaker 1: that time when the conflict comes in, how? 457 00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:12,780 Speaker 2: So I'll continue the story about that conflict that happened 458 00:21:12,790 --> 00:21:15,109 Speaker 2: with my friend and her colleague who is like a mother. 459 00:21:16,170 --> 00:21:19,130 Speaker 2: The moment that she heard that she wanted to confront her, 460 00:21:19,140 --> 00:21:20,790 Speaker 2: she wanted to call her and give her a piece 461 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,219 Speaker 2: of her mind and say like, why are you saying 462 00:21:22,229 --> 00:21:23,890 Speaker 2: these things about me? It's very hurtful. 463 00:21:23,984 --> 00:21:27,135 Speaker 2: But she realized that anything that she said over the phone, 464 00:21:27,314 --> 00:21:31,114 Speaker 2: this colleague could have then twisted because this colleague basically 465 00:21:31,125 --> 00:21:33,964 Speaker 2: said a lot of lies about her. Right. So what 466 00:21:33,974 --> 00:21:39,375 Speaker 2: she did was contact her hr department to, to mediate 467 00:21:39,385 --> 00:21:42,435 Speaker 2: a call, her hr department is not even here. It's 468 00:21:42,444 --> 00:21:45,875 Speaker 2: in the UK to mediate a call between the both 469 00:21:45,885 --> 00:21:47,514 Speaker 2: of them. I don't know how it's gone yet. I 470 00:21:47,525 --> 00:21:49,484 Speaker 2: haven't met her but I will let you know who 471 00:21:49,494 --> 00:21:50,285 Speaker 2: is this, huh? 472 00:21:52,550 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. But they're so smart of her. No, I 473 00:21:54,410 --> 00:21:57,599 Speaker 2: think it is because emotionally you would want to react. 474 00:21:57,609 --> 00:21:59,739 Speaker 2: You are hurt. You thought this person was your friend 475 00:21:59,780 --> 00:22:02,688 Speaker 2: but might not be the wisest situation if you can 476 00:22:02,699 --> 00:22:04,609 Speaker 2: trust your hr maybe. 477 00:22:04,619 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. But I understand that some people might also feel 478 00:22:06,930 --> 00:22:08,458 Speaker 1: embarrassed for a third party to 479 00:22:08,550 --> 00:22:10,270 Speaker 1: know about all the secrets that you've been telling the 480 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,599 Speaker 1: other person. Right. So, I think it was very brave 481 00:22:12,609 --> 00:22:13,390 Speaker 1: of her friend to do that. 482 00:22:13,900 --> 00:22:16,688 Speaker 2: I mean, half the world already knows what's another person 483 00:22:16,699 --> 00:22:21,079 Speaker 2: who can actually help you? Ouch. She listens to this podcast. 484 00:22:21,109 --> 00:22:23,599 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. Are we friends? No, you can we 485 00:22:23,609 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 2: be friends? 486 00:22:25,339 --> 00:22:28,339 Speaker 1: Ok. Have you guys ever, like, broken up with a 487 00:22:28,349 --> 00:22:32,089 Speaker 1: work friend over work related conflicts? Now, I can't relate 488 00:22:32,099 --> 00:22:33,790 Speaker 1: with this question because it's never happened to me. I 489 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:34,270 Speaker 1: don't think so. 490 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,510 Speaker 2: No, I don't have broken up with a work friend. 491 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,310 Speaker 2: I think if anything you kind of just drift apart as, 492 00:22:39,319 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 2: as friends naturally do right back, 493 00:22:41,310 --> 00:22:42,379 Speaker 2: colleagues, right back 494 00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:45,349 Speaker 1: to colleagues but not really like break up, break up. Yeah, 495 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,599 Speaker 2: I don't think that's ever happened. It's either like we 496 00:22:47,609 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 2: get along or we were never friends to begin with. 497 00:22:49,890 --> 00:22:52,729 Speaker 2: It's like for, for example, between the three of us. Right. 498 00:22:52,939 --> 00:22:56,489 Speaker 2: Um You know, some people are on time, some people 499 00:22:56,500 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 2: are late 500 00:22:59,229 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 2: and this used to be a big thing, right? This 501 00:23:01,410 --> 00:23:02,948 Speaker 2: used to be quite a big thing because we would 502 00:23:02,959 --> 00:23:05,670 Speaker 2: be like, you know, don't be late. Like I'm late too, 503 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,109 Speaker 2: I'm late too. Ok. 504 00:23:09,709 --> 00:23:13,430 Speaker 2: I have something because we are friends. Sometimes it's hard 505 00:23:13,439 --> 00:23:15,609 Speaker 2: to bring up these conversations. It's like, can you not 506 00:23:15,619 --> 00:23:18,198 Speaker 2: be late? Like, can you do this? Can you do that? 507 00:23:18,209 --> 00:23:21,839 Speaker 2: But I think genuinely we've navigated it very well and 508 00:23:21,849 --> 00:23:25,500 Speaker 2: I think it's because of Hazy. Hazy has this quality 509 00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:28,469 Speaker 2: about her where she can say something and be stern 510 00:23:28,479 --> 00:23:31,060 Speaker 2: about it, but still very friendly because this is how 511 00:23:31,069 --> 00:23:33,069 Speaker 2: she does it. Ok. Maybe. 512 00:23:35,459 --> 00:23:38,530 Speaker 1: Yeah. Always start baby. No, 513 00:23:38,540 --> 00:23:39,910 Speaker 2: but it's worked in our favor. 514 00:23:40,790 --> 00:23:44,910 Speaker 1: Oh, that's nice. Ok. So next time there's a workplace, 515 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,479 Speaker 1: this agreement that comes up, just speak to the other 516 00:23:47,489 --> 00:23:49,089 Speaker 1: person and start with baby. 517 00:23:51,250 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 2: They might take you to hr, 518 00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:56,198 Speaker 2: your hr department will find you. 519 00:23:56,609 --> 00:23:58,420 Speaker 1: Ok. Like if you are very close, like me and, 520 00:23:58,839 --> 00:24:00,869 Speaker 1: and then you can do that. Ok. Yes. 521 00:24:01,239 --> 00:24:03,969 Speaker 2: Um, I do have a story, however. Yeah, it's not 522 00:24:03,979 --> 00:24:07,089 Speaker 2: a break up but I did have a friend at 523 00:24:07,099 --> 00:24:09,709 Speaker 2: work of which I thought we were friends because we 524 00:24:09,719 --> 00:24:12,449 Speaker 2: were like, go out for lunch, not here. I don't 525 00:24:12,459 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 2: go for lunch here. Ok. So 526 00:24:15,810 --> 00:24:20,239 Speaker 2: we will go out for lunch. Um, just be stupid, 527 00:24:20,250 --> 00:24:21,909 Speaker 2: you know, that sort of thing. Like a couple of 528 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,300 Speaker 2: us all friends. And then I think eventually this person, um, 529 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,859 Speaker 2: maybe became friends with someone who had issues with me 530 00:24:29,979 --> 00:24:33,260 Speaker 2: and then suddenly disappear, like one day just stopped talking 531 00:24:33,270 --> 00:24:35,890 Speaker 2: to me and I was like, oh, ok. Cool. But 532 00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:37,459 Speaker 1: did you tell a lot of your personal stuff to 533 00:24:37,469 --> 00:24:37,630 Speaker 1: this 534 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,650 Speaker 2: person? Not really personal, personal? I think more like, like 535 00:24:41,660 --> 00:24:44,109 Speaker 2: friends but not like close, close friends. So you think 536 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:44,319 Speaker 2: that 537 00:24:44,385 --> 00:24:46,926 Speaker 2: the third party basically said some, not so nice things 538 00:24:46,936 --> 00:24:51,254 Speaker 2: about you to your work friend and, like, influence them 539 00:24:51,265 --> 00:24:53,046 Speaker 2: to stop hanging out with you? I think. So. This 540 00:24:53,056 --> 00:24:55,485 Speaker 2: one secondary school? Oh my God. How 541 00:24:55,494 --> 00:24:58,055 Speaker 1: old are you? Yeah. But have you ever thought of, like, 542 00:24:58,066 --> 00:24:59,436 Speaker 1: asking a work friend? 543 00:24:59,515 --> 00:25:01,436 Speaker 2: Oh, no, I can't be, bother. This kind of things 544 00:25:01,446 --> 00:25:04,365 Speaker 2: to me is like, you're not valuable enough. Like, who 545 00:25:04,375 --> 00:25:05,446 Speaker 2: do you think you are? But 546 00:25:05,455 --> 00:25:08,316 Speaker 1: what if like this person has been spreading like malicious 547 00:25:08,326 --> 00:25:10,525 Speaker 1: stuff about you to other people? Like, 548 00:25:10,586 --> 00:25:12,515 Speaker 2: I don't care. I still have food to eat and 549 00:25:12,526 --> 00:25:12,836 Speaker 2: I 550 00:25:12,962 --> 00:25:14,881 Speaker 2: still live my best life. I don't care 551 00:25:15,761 --> 00:25:17,641 Speaker 1: to go lucky. She cares 552 00:25:17,651 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 2: me. But have you ever been in a workplace. Right. Um, where, 553 00:25:23,651 --> 00:25:27,921 Speaker 2: because other people were friends. Right. Other people are work 554 00:25:27,932 --> 00:25:31,001 Speaker 2: friends that they then were biased towards you because they 555 00:25:31,011 --> 00:25:32,761 Speaker 2: showed favoritism to each other. Ah, 556 00:25:32,802 --> 00:25:38,021 Speaker 1: bias against you against you. Yes. In my previous workplace 557 00:25:38,291 --> 00:25:41,472 Speaker 1: I think I had a boss who favored 558 00:25:41,537 --> 00:25:44,757 Speaker 1: certain people and that was very, very obvious. 559 00:25:44,767 --> 00:25:46,897 Speaker 2: I think that happens in quite a few workplaces, to 560 00:25:46,907 --> 00:25:48,588 Speaker 2: be honest. Right. But 561 00:25:48,598 --> 00:25:51,667 Speaker 1: I guess she tries to be professional about it. Like, 562 00:25:51,677 --> 00:25:53,937 Speaker 1: the amount of work issued to each of us is 563 00:25:53,946 --> 00:25:56,197 Speaker 1: the same. Like, I don't get more just because she 564 00:25:56,208 --> 00:25:57,637 Speaker 1: favors the other person. So, 565 00:25:57,647 --> 00:25:59,397 Speaker 2: how is it then shown from her 566 00:25:59,407 --> 00:26:03,228 Speaker 1: attitude, I guess? And the words spoken, you can tell, 567 00:26:03,238 --> 00:26:07,588 Speaker 1: like other people, like, she prefers these other people but, like, 568 00:26:07,598 --> 00:26:10,047 Speaker 1: not me. But it's ok because I don't get more, 569 00:26:10,333 --> 00:26:11,024 Speaker 1: I think some 570 00:26:11,034 --> 00:26:15,354 Speaker 2: people because of favoritism and bias, especially with the boss. Right. 571 00:26:15,504 --> 00:26:18,723 Speaker 2: Some people get away with more at work, more mistakes, 572 00:26:18,784 --> 00:26:24,254 Speaker 2: less work, you know. Um, more, more because you are 573 00:26:24,263 --> 00:26:27,484 Speaker 2: favored by your boss. Right. Yeah, that's a different issue 574 00:26:27,494 --> 00:26:29,613 Speaker 2: altogether though. Huh? Yeah. But like I said, you could 575 00:26:29,624 --> 00:26:31,792 Speaker 2: be friends with your boss. Right. We're talking colleagues. It 576 00:26:31,803 --> 00:26:33,953 Speaker 2: could be your boss. True. But 577 00:26:33,963 --> 00:26:38,052 Speaker 1: have you ever shown favoritism towards any of your employees? 578 00:26:38,689 --> 00:26:42,619 Speaker 1: Maybe the one person who, like, displayed a stellar work attitude? 579 00:26:42,739 --> 00:26:47,010 Speaker 2: I do think that I'm someone that tries to be very, um, 580 00:26:47,069 --> 00:26:51,550 Speaker 2: encouraging and empowering to everybody. But I do think that 581 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,609 Speaker 2: I would probably, um, show more, not favoritism but spend 582 00:26:55,619 --> 00:27:00,938 Speaker 2: more quality time with the person that directly reports to me. Ah, 583 00:27:00,949 --> 00:27:04,389 Speaker 2: because I want to empower her to empower the empower 584 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,619 Speaker 2: the rest. Yeah. Do you start with 585 00:27:08,109 --> 00:27:10,819 Speaker 2: baby? So, today on the agenda? 586 00:27:11,670 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 2: Ok. Actually I just remembered something. So I know someone 587 00:27:14,819 --> 00:27:18,689 Speaker 2: who is best friends with his boss. Ok. What, how 588 00:27:18,699 --> 00:27:20,459 Speaker 2: can you be best friends with your boss? I just 589 00:27:20,469 --> 00:27:25,139 Speaker 2: don't think it's, I think they started off as friends 590 00:27:25,150 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 2: of which they were not exactly working in the same capacity. Ah, ok. 591 00:27:30,530 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 2: Then this person became his boss, but they are best friends. 592 00:27:36,689 --> 00:27:38,599 Speaker 2: Like besties. 593 00:27:39,939 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 2: I don't know if that affects the work but I 594 00:27:43,010 --> 00:27:46,300 Speaker 2: know that people have an issue with it, of 595 00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:47,930 Speaker 1: course. Oh, 596 00:27:48,150 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: I don't see how and why as well because I 597 00:27:52,050 --> 00:27:55,079 Speaker 2: think the job that he holds is probably, like, is 598 00:27:55,089 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 2: different from the capacity of like other people. So, actually 599 00:27:58,890 --> 00:28:02,229 Speaker 2: there's not much comparison there but I think people just 600 00:28:02,239 --> 00:28:05,438 Speaker 2: couldn't take it and they always used it 601 00:28:05,790 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 2: against him for, I think no reason to me because, like, 602 00:28:09,290 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 2: like saying things like, oh, like your best friends, 603 00:28:13,599 --> 00:28:16,619 Speaker 2: they are just jealous. That's a bit hard. But 604 00:28:16,630 --> 00:28:18,540 Speaker 1: think of it from this point of view if you 605 00:28:18,550 --> 00:28:22,500 Speaker 1: were an employee and something happened, but that person got 606 00:28:22,510 --> 00:28:25,150 Speaker 1: away with it. You definitely the first reason that comes 607 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:25,530 Speaker 1: to your mind. 608 00:28:25,849 --> 00:28:29,430 Speaker 2: Because they, I mean, yeah, in that situation, of course, 609 00:28:29,459 --> 00:28:32,619 Speaker 1: because I was thinking of myself in my ex workplace where, 610 00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:34,569 Speaker 1: you know, that boss show favor to like two or 611 00:28:34,579 --> 00:28:37,829 Speaker 1: three other people. It's tough. It's tough. So it brings 612 00:28:38,052 --> 00:28:42,022 Speaker 1: ask our next question, how do we draw boundaries amongst 613 00:28:42,032 --> 00:28:42,682 Speaker 1: workplace 614 00:28:42,692 --> 00:28:45,322 Speaker 2: friendships? I think the first thing that you have to 615 00:28:45,333 --> 00:28:48,253 Speaker 2: do is be careful what you share. Like the example that, 616 00:28:48,262 --> 00:28:50,802 Speaker 2: you know, I gave of my friend, she shared a 617 00:28:50,812 --> 00:28:53,873 Speaker 2: lot of confidential and personal information which was then used 618 00:28:53,883 --> 00:28:56,322 Speaker 2: against her, not just in the workplace but outside of 619 00:28:56,333 --> 00:29:00,042 Speaker 2: the workplace. So sad. It is very sad. But while 620 00:29:00,052 --> 00:29:02,142 Speaker 2: some people may appear kind, that 621 00:29:02,225 --> 00:29:04,465 Speaker 2: could be a first impression kind of thing, you don't 622 00:29:04,475 --> 00:29:07,105 Speaker 2: really know them and you wanna be chummy with them 623 00:29:07,115 --> 00:29:09,416 Speaker 2: because it's like, oh, you know, we all came in 624 00:29:09,426 --> 00:29:11,206 Speaker 2: at the same time, you know, we were all went 625 00:29:11,215 --> 00:29:14,186 Speaker 2: for orientation at work. You want to be friends with 626 00:29:14,196 --> 00:29:17,345 Speaker 2: them but it's better to protect yourself. Yeah. I think 627 00:29:17,355 --> 00:29:22,196 Speaker 2: sometimes it's inevitable as well because you see them so much. Like, 628 00:29:22,206 --> 00:29:24,926 Speaker 2: you know, people who work in the office 8, 10 hours, 629 00:29:24,936 --> 00:29:26,456 Speaker 2: you see them a lot 630 00:29:26,719 --> 00:29:29,949 Speaker 2: and sometimes you can't put aside your feelings in that 631 00:29:29,959 --> 00:29:32,479 Speaker 2: time and you want to talk about it and these 632 00:29:32,489 --> 00:29:35,229 Speaker 2: are the people closest to you. So you think like, 633 00:29:35,569 --> 00:29:37,459 Speaker 1: yeah, I feel the same way as you do. Sometimes 634 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: I like to share about my personal life, but sometimes 635 00:29:41,290 --> 00:29:43,689 Speaker 1: it's hard to draw the line, you know, as to 636 00:29:43,699 --> 00:29:45,430 Speaker 1: how much I can share with this person 637 00:29:46,390 --> 00:29:48,979 Speaker 2: as long as you trust them. You know, like when 638 00:29:48,989 --> 00:29:49,219 Speaker 2: you meet 639 00:29:49,229 --> 00:29:52,010 Speaker 1: new people, I'm sure you will be one who like, 640 00:29:52,020 --> 00:29:54,540 Speaker 1: love to share a lot about your, your life as well. 641 00:29:55,010 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 2: She got called, I mean, we don't see each other 642 00:29:57,689 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 2: eight hours a day or even four hours a day. Right. So, 643 00:30:00,410 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 2: when we're like in with your, our show partners, imagine 644 00:30:03,010 --> 00:30:04,500 Speaker 2: if your show partner was someone that you could 645 00:30:04,589 --> 00:30:07,780 Speaker 2: trust and you couldn't share your life with. That was 646 00:30:07,989 --> 00:30:09,300 Speaker 2: really sad. That was really tough. 647 00:30:09,790 --> 00:30:11,859 Speaker 1: Just knowing how much you can share with the other 648 00:30:11,869 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: person I feel is very important. And I think establishing 649 00:30:14,650 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: the type of friendship it will be such as, ok. 650 00:30:16,530 --> 00:30:18,869 Speaker 1: Are we friends who eat lunch together and then that's 651 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,010 Speaker 1: it or, uh, do we chat and hang out after work? 652 00:30:23,020 --> 00:30:23,079 Speaker 1: I think 653 00:30:23,089 --> 00:30:28,780 Speaker 2: maybe recognizing as well if the nature of your job 654 00:30:28,790 --> 00:30:30,619 Speaker 2: has competitiveness to it 655 00:30:30,869 --> 00:30:34,109 Speaker 2: has some sort of, only one person can get picked 656 00:30:34,119 --> 00:30:36,810 Speaker 2: for a certain thing and everyone's competing for it as 657 00:30:36,819 --> 00:30:38,719 Speaker 2: much as you want to be friends and trust them. 658 00:30:38,910 --> 00:30:43,270 Speaker 2: Like you really never know. Sometimes in desperate situations, a 659 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,319 Speaker 2: career progression might be more important than you are and 660 00:30:46,329 --> 00:30:49,359 Speaker 2: you might be sacrificed at that point. Exactly. Because you're, 661 00:30:49,369 --> 00:30:51,770 Speaker 2: you have to be fair. Right. And then don't be 662 00:30:51,780 --> 00:30:53,650 Speaker 2: so naive and think, oh, we are best friends. We 663 00:30:53,670 --> 00:30:53,819 Speaker 2: are best 664 00:30:53,922 --> 00:30:56,133 Speaker 2: friends. But at the end of the day, their jobs 665 00:30:56,142 --> 00:30:59,743 Speaker 2: might take priority over your friendship because, I mean, you 666 00:30:59,753 --> 00:31:02,052 Speaker 2: guys are all working for the same thing. Yeah. Right. 667 00:31:02,062 --> 00:31:05,262 Speaker 1: So, I think being realistic with workplace dynamics that helps 668 00:31:05,272 --> 00:31:07,723 Speaker 1: you to feel a lot more at ease as well. Yeah. Ok. 669 00:31:07,733 --> 00:31:11,623 Speaker 1: Any final words for our listeners on Harsh podcast who 670 00:31:11,633 --> 00:31:13,743 Speaker 1: are struggling with workplace friendships? Well, I 671 00:31:13,753 --> 00:31:16,262 Speaker 2: think give a good first impression to anyone that you 672 00:31:16,272 --> 00:31:16,873 Speaker 2: meet at work, 673 00:31:17,105 --> 00:31:20,255 Speaker 2: right? Because they don't deserve like, you know, you to 674 00:31:20,265 --> 00:31:24,176 Speaker 2: feel that sort of like competitiveness or that like saltiness 675 00:31:24,186 --> 00:31:26,916 Speaker 2: that you got this, I didn't get this. You're all 676 00:31:26,926 --> 00:31:28,436 Speaker 2: working for the same thing at the end of the 677 00:31:28,446 --> 00:31:30,666 Speaker 2: day and there's enough of the pie to go around. 678 00:31:30,676 --> 00:31:33,745 Speaker 2: So just be kind, be nice to people and protect yourself. 679 00:31:34,306 --> 00:31:37,316 Speaker 1: Well, I feel like, well being friends with colleagues works 680 00:31:37,326 --> 00:31:39,965 Speaker 1: for some people. It just doesn't work for others. So 681 00:31:40,219 --> 00:31:42,489 Speaker 1: just think of it this way. You're lucky if your 682 00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:45,310 Speaker 1: colleagues become your friends. If they don't, that's fine as well. 683 00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:46,030 Speaker 1: Just focus on your 684 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,869 Speaker 2: work, right? No, absolutely. And honestly, I think after this 685 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,030 Speaker 2: conversation is what I realized that, you know, work friends 686 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,180 Speaker 2: or having friends at work can, can really be a 687 00:31:54,189 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 2: really nice thing like we're friends and we've always spoken 688 00:31:58,890 --> 00:32:03,319 Speaker 2: about how we've always created chaos on level seven. And 689 00:32:03,329 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 2: I think that's a nice thing, you know, to be 690 00:32:04,890 --> 00:32:06,969 Speaker 2: able to run from end to end, knowing that there 691 00:32:06,979 --> 00:32:09,609 Speaker 2: are people I can run into, you know, 692 00:32:09,685 --> 00:32:12,194 Speaker 2: we used to have a yogurt date every night on, 693 00:32:12,204 --> 00:32:16,734 Speaker 2: on the same, all kind of like overlap. 694 00:32:16,744 --> 00:32:17,645 Speaker 1: There was one hour 695 00:32:17,655 --> 00:32:20,645 Speaker 2: of overlap, one hour of overlap. So after someone's show 696 00:32:20,655 --> 00:32:23,265 Speaker 2: and before someone show, we would just meet at the 697 00:32:23,275 --> 00:32:27,405 Speaker 2: pantry and then share some yogurt and I even make 698 00:32:27,415 --> 00:32:28,614 Speaker 2: homemade granola. Once 699 00:32:28,625 --> 00:32:31,035 Speaker 1: those were good old times. I really, really enjoy like 700 00:32:31,045 --> 00:32:33,295 Speaker 1: just stay at the pan talking about our live and 701 00:32:33,305 --> 00:32:35,305 Speaker 1: then just having a cup of yogurt. 702 00:32:35,635 --> 00:32:37,275 Speaker 2: The simple thing is simple, 703 00:32:37,625 --> 00:32:39,074 Speaker 1: simple but happy. 704 00:32:39,380 --> 00:32:41,489 Speaker 1: So we hope that this episode has given you some 705 00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:44,150 Speaker 1: light on how you can handle your workplace, friendships. And 706 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,430 Speaker 1: if you have any questions, feel free to always just 707 00:32:46,439 --> 00:32:49,439 Speaker 1: DM us on Instagram at its clarity dot com. That's right. 708 00:32:49,449 --> 00:32:52,329 Speaker 2: You can listen to us on Spotify Me, listen Apple Podcast. 709 00:32:52,339 --> 00:32:55,329 Speaker 2: Don't forget to turn on the notifications and check us 710 00:32:55,339 --> 00:32:57,209 Speaker 2: out on youtube as well so that you can see 711 00:32:57,219 --> 00:32:59,949 Speaker 2: the beautiful set that our team has put together. Yay. 712 00:32:59,959 --> 00:33:00,420 Speaker 2: Thank 713 00:33:00,430 --> 00:33:02,449 Speaker 1: you so much for listening. Once again, I'm Hazel. I'm a, 714 00:33:02,810 --> 00:33:04,550 Speaker 1: I'm Jermaine and we'll see you next time. 715 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:05,050 Speaker 2: Bye bye. 716 00:33:05,869 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 2: Maybe next time we talk about um dating in the workplace. 717 00:33:10,469 --> 00:33:11,900 Speaker 2: I know who to call