1 00:00:00,100 --> 00:00:00,800 Speaker 1: I say, so 2 00:00:00,810 --> 00:00:01,760 Speaker 2: it's zero. And 3 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:04,740 Speaker 1: I'm jamming and welcome back to another episode of clarity's 4 00:00:04,750 --> 00:00:12,059 Speaker 1: season forever and we are finally back together in full force. 5 00:00:12,070 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: I think I haven't seen you in forever. 6 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:16,580 Speaker 1: How was your trip? Tell us all about 7 00:00:16,579 --> 00:00:19,450 Speaker 2: it. Very good, very good. Every trip that has me 8 00:00:19,450 --> 00:00:21,540 Speaker 2: in it, you know, will contain a lot of drama. 9 00:00:21,550 --> 00:00:25,470 Speaker 2: So some can be shared. Some kind of missing 10 00:00:25,470 --> 00:00:27,060 Speaker 1: Your train by three minutes. 11 00:00:28,310 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 2: She did that bomb alert at the airport. 12 00:00:31,690 --> 00:00:32,270 Speaker 1: So 13 00:00:32,270 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: interesting. Oh my gosh! 14 00:00:33,370 --> 00:00:35,260 Speaker 1: What else, what else, what do you do? She 15 00:00:35,260 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: bought these shoes right here. Absolutely. I knew she was 16 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,300 Speaker 2: going to wake up today. She did that because I 17 00:00:41,300 --> 00:00:45,150 Speaker 2: haven't unpacked and do it right there. So, but yeah, 18 00:00:45,150 --> 00:00:47,620 Speaker 2: I think I had a lot of fun and I 19 00:00:47,620 --> 00:00:50,250 Speaker 2: have discovered that my toxic trade is booking a flight 20 00:00:50,740 --> 00:00:54,980 Speaker 2: um before I even get done with this trip, we 21 00:00:54,980 --> 00:00:55,510 Speaker 2: got together. 22 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,210 Speaker 1: All right. What about you jimmy? How are you feeling today? 23 00:00:57,220 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: I am feeling okay. I feel like I'm coming down 24 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:01,390 Speaker 2: with the flu. I don't know why. So, stay a 25 00:01:01,390 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: bit further from me. No, but I'm all good. We 26 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:05,970 Speaker 2: got this, let's 27 00:01:05,970 --> 00:01:09,180 Speaker 1: go. So I treated myself to like 8.5 hours of 28 00:01:09,180 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: sleep last night and I'm feeling absolutely great. 29 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: So today I'm going to start off this episode with 30 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,510 Speaker 1: a hypothetical situation. So we are all like where we 31 00:01:18,510 --> 00:01:22,950 Speaker 1: are today, Right? Radio DJ? Social media, content creator, yada 32 00:01:22,950 --> 00:01:26,390 Speaker 1: yada and all that. What if at this point in 33 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: our lives, Somebody calls us out. 34 00:01:28,940 --> 00:01:31,899 Speaker 1: What if somebody just appears out of nowhere on social 35 00:01:31,900 --> 00:01:33,259 Speaker 1: media and say, hey, you know, 36 00:01:33,340 --> 00:01:36,180 Speaker 1: many years ago, you did this and therefore you are 37 00:01:36,190 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: a horrible person 38 00:01:37,530 --> 00:01:41,899 Speaker 2: actually. That's my biggest fear because when you're young, right, 39 00:01:41,900 --> 00:01:44,990 Speaker 2: you do a lot of stupid things. Obviously you grow 40 00:01:44,990 --> 00:01:47,350 Speaker 2: from it and you realize they're wrong. But 41 00:01:47,740 --> 00:01:49,980 Speaker 2: what if your past comes back to haunt you? 42 00:01:49,990 --> 00:01:51,230 Speaker 1: What would you do 43 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: say? Sorry? What can I do? Like fly, emigrate to 44 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:55,970 Speaker 2: somewhere else? I don't know 45 00:01:55,980 --> 00:01:58,810 Speaker 1: if that's such a huge price to pay. What about you? 46 00:01:58,990 --> 00:01:59,650 Speaker 1: What you do? It's 47 00:01:59,650 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: really scary that I feel like, especially now with social media, 48 00:02:03,130 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 2: it's really anytime, it feels like a 49 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,060 Speaker 2: taking time bomb, you know, because like 50 00:02:08,139 --> 00:02:12,510 Speaker 2: suddenly these days we see like dirt about everyone and 51 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: anyone just coming out like any time and I think 52 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,030 Speaker 2: we used to not see as many of these like 53 00:02:19,030 --> 00:02:21,329 Speaker 2: in the past, it wasn't so like rampant, but now 54 00:02:21,330 --> 00:02:24,990 Speaker 2: it's like it's canceled culture. Yeah. Are you afraid of 55 00:02:24,990 --> 00:02:29,940 Speaker 2: getting canceled? Hazy and the three of us get canceled 56 00:02:29,950 --> 00:02:30,690 Speaker 2: truly 57 00:02:30,690 --> 00:02:32,860 Speaker 1: thinking what can I be canceled for. 58 00:02:32,940 --> 00:02:35,970 Speaker 1: But if that day comes, if I have once, you 59 00:02:35,970 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: know ever done wrong to anybody, I will, I will, 60 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,460 Speaker 1: you know, pay for my mistakes and say, I'm sorry 61 00:02:42,470 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: and hopefully, you know, find 62 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,230 Speaker 1: a better way out of this entire situation. Like, okay, 63 00:02:48,230 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: have you guys thought of the incident, the entire saga, 64 00:02:51,330 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: we overseas when that happened 65 00:02:52,770 --> 00:02:54,220 Speaker 2: slightly before? 66 00:02:54,230 --> 00:02:57,489 Speaker 1: Right, right. Right. So apparently he's making big now? He's 67 00:02:57,500 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: everywhere on Tiktok in Cathay like what close to 3000 68 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: people just watching him outside cafe watching him saying play 69 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:07,700 Speaker 1: the piano. I gotta say he does a very good 70 00:03:07,700 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: job at that. But apparently one of his access came 71 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:12,660 Speaker 1: out on social media and started to like, 72 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,940 Speaker 1: wow talk about all the things that he has done 73 00:03:15,940 --> 00:03:18,829 Speaker 1: to her previously and they are not good things 74 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 2: actually when this first like blew up, right, not the 75 00:03:21,930 --> 00:03:24,940 Speaker 2: ex girlfriend bit the him performing and like people actually 76 00:03:24,940 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 2: coming down to watch and everything was very happy because 77 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:28,470 Speaker 2: this is the first time that we're seeing like a 78 00:03:28,470 --> 00:03:30,700 Speaker 2: basking culture in Singapore. You know, it's the first time 79 00:03:30,700 --> 00:03:32,860 Speaker 2: that people are actually coming down to sit and watch. 80 00:03:32,940 --> 00:03:34,389 Speaker 2: And I was like, whoa. And then 81 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,290 Speaker 2: actually 82 00:03:37,300 --> 00:03:39,940 Speaker 1: even before the X came out, I think some comments 83 00:03:39,940 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: on Tiktok were already like exposing him on all the 84 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:44,740 Speaker 1: things that he's done. So for example, I saw some 85 00:03:44,740 --> 00:03:46,860 Speaker 1: comments on how he used to sing for a wedding 86 00:03:46,870 --> 00:03:50,350 Speaker 1: and he would the wedding guests because he thinks that 87 00:03:50,350 --> 00:03:51,060 Speaker 1: they are rude 88 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,210 Speaker 1: by not listening to him and the wedding guests felt 89 00:03:54,210 --> 00:03:56,910 Speaker 1: a bit confused and perplexed because they're like, oh, we 90 00:03:56,910 --> 00:03:58,730 Speaker 1: are here at the wedding to catch up with the 91 00:03:58,730 --> 00:04:00,990 Speaker 1: bride and the groom and my friends, you know, of 92 00:04:00,990 --> 00:04:04,050 Speaker 1: course the wedding singer is a bonus, but I don't 93 00:04:04,050 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: think we should be quiet to listen to you. 94 00:04:06,290 --> 00:04:08,570 Speaker 2: Do you think that it's possible, you know, some of 95 00:04:08,570 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: these things are made up, not all, but 96 00:04:10,940 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: you know, people want to join the bandwagon and say 97 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:17,070 Speaker 2: nasty stuff, right? It's also possible, right? We don't know actually, 98 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,610 Speaker 1: I cannot rule that out, but based on what I've 99 00:04:19,610 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: heard like from singers and artists in the industry. Um, 100 00:04:23,890 --> 00:04:25,060 Speaker 1: I do feel that 101 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:29,150 Speaker 1: I'm more inclined to believe this many singers saying the 102 00:04:29,150 --> 00:04:32,570 Speaker 1: same thing about him. Because why else would maybe like 10, 103 00:04:32,570 --> 00:04:35,490 Speaker 1: 20 people say the same thing, the same point about 104 00:04:35,490 --> 00:04:37,830 Speaker 1: one person, right? But of course I'm in no place 105 00:04:37,830 --> 00:04:40,770 Speaker 1: to judge. And this is just my own opinion. Nothing 106 00:04:40,770 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: to do with clarity or harsh. But I feel like 107 00:04:43,529 --> 00:04:45,049 Speaker 1: if you keep your 108 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,789 Speaker 1: actions clean, you know, there's no way people can come 109 00:04:48,790 --> 00:04:49,980 Speaker 1: biting down on you. 110 00:04:49,990 --> 00:04:52,980 Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. But I think also like if you make 111 00:04:52,990 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 2: a mistake, the most important thing is to own up 112 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,089 Speaker 2: to it. You know, if you're being called out on it, 113 00:04:58,089 --> 00:05:00,310 Speaker 2: like don't, don't lie, don't say that you didn't do it. 114 00:05:00,310 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 2: I mean, there are certain people, you know, in Singapore 115 00:05:02,810 --> 00:05:05,059 Speaker 2: where they made headline news 116 00:05:05,140 --> 00:05:07,810 Speaker 2: for some sort of sexual crimes and they came out 117 00:05:07,810 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: to say, you know, 118 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 2: I'm innocent and then after that they were convicted guilty, 119 00:05:11,490 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: then there's like a, 120 00:05:13,339 --> 00:05:16,710 Speaker 1: right? So for this point, I think it's very respectful 121 00:05:16,710 --> 00:05:18,489 Speaker 1: of Jeff to come out and say sorry. So he 122 00:05:18,490 --> 00:05:21,260 Speaker 1: did make like this apology note on his instagram saying 123 00:05:21,260 --> 00:05:23,810 Speaker 1: that you know he was young, he made some mistakes, 124 00:05:23,810 --> 00:05:25,670 Speaker 1: you know he's trying to grow from his mistakes as 125 00:05:25,670 --> 00:05:27,770 Speaker 1: well and his wife now actually stood up to say 126 00:05:27,770 --> 00:05:30,510 Speaker 1: like he's a changed man after all these years as well. 127 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,050 Speaker 1: So well there's always two sides to a story. 128 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,260 Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what girls is there a face 129 00:05:35,260 --> 00:05:37,190 Speaker 1: in your life where you are afraid to share with 130 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,860 Speaker 1: people for fear of being judged like critically 131 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,900 Speaker 2: every phase of my life hasn't stopped as in the 132 00:05:45,900 --> 00:05:48,650 Speaker 2: thing is right, when it comes to social media, even 133 00:05:48,650 --> 00:05:50,690 Speaker 2: if you do right or you do wrong, people will 134 00:05:50,690 --> 00:05:52,979 Speaker 2: have something to say and people will have something to 135 00:05:52,980 --> 00:05:56,169 Speaker 2: judge you for right? But of course it's the things 136 00:05:56,170 --> 00:05:58,409 Speaker 2: that you say when you were young, like you know 137 00:05:58,410 --> 00:06:00,969 Speaker 2: tweets that you've tweeted when you were young maybe you 138 00:06:00,970 --> 00:06:01,659 Speaker 2: used like 139 00:06:01,740 --> 00:06:05,540 Speaker 2: a term that right now would be considered like derogatory, 140 00:06:05,540 --> 00:06:06,659 Speaker 2: something like that, right? 141 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,210 Speaker 2: These are things that you be scared about. That's why 142 00:06:09,210 --> 00:06:11,650 Speaker 2: anyone who comes into the industry, I tell them what 143 00:06:11,650 --> 00:06:13,530 Speaker 2: you hold them twitter page, you delete your whole twitter 144 00:06:13,529 --> 00:06:16,250 Speaker 2: now and archive all your tweets. No, I'm serious. Have 145 00:06:16,250 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 2: you guys done that? 146 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,820 Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever been active active on twitter 147 00:06:21,830 --> 00:06:25,820 Speaker 2: but you still better do that before this episode airs no, 148 00:06:25,820 --> 00:06:28,169 Speaker 2: but speaking of twitter right? And like people just digging 149 00:06:28,170 --> 00:06:30,740 Speaker 2: up this just reminds me of like is like king 150 00:06:30,740 --> 00:06:36,950 Speaker 2: of right? He gets canceled every other month. Poor guy. 151 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:38,550 Speaker 2: And his first like 152 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:39,450 Speaker 2: cancel 153 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,990 Speaker 2: jay park thing was like when they dug out his 154 00:06:42,990 --> 00:06:46,100 Speaker 2: twitter like he had, I think debuted with two p.m. 155 00:06:46,100 --> 00:06:48,580 Speaker 2: At that point and people like when to dig out 156 00:06:48,580 --> 00:06:50,670 Speaker 2: shipping him and like at some point he had said 157 00:06:50,810 --> 00:06:54,030 Speaker 2: about Korea, he said like anti career stuff and all 158 00:06:54,029 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 2: of the states, all the fans just 159 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:56,930 Speaker 2: went against him. 160 00:06:56,940 --> 00:07:00,380 Speaker 1: Oh dear. Okay, I'm going to heat jimmy's advice and 161 00:07:00,380 --> 00:07:04,410 Speaker 1: just delete my twitter account later. Yes, 162 00:07:04,410 --> 00:07:05,030 Speaker 2: exactly. 163 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,979 Speaker 1: Well you know, I have had like this phase in 164 00:07:07,980 --> 00:07:10,950 Speaker 1: my life where I felt like I was an asshole 165 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: back in secondary school. No, seriously like in secondary one 166 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,830 Speaker 1: second into, I mean we were all eager to prove 167 00:07:16,830 --> 00:07:20,310 Speaker 1: to our classmates that were cool, you know, like heat 168 00:07:20,310 --> 00:07:23,390 Speaker 1: bunch to hang out with. So I actually said pretty 169 00:07:23,390 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: nasty stuff about my teachers 170 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:27,350 Speaker 1: just to make sure that I'm part of the group 171 00:07:27,350 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: and looking back, I am so ashamed of that. I'm 172 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: so sorry miss poon 173 00:07:30,740 --> 00:07:31,340 Speaker 1: if you're 174 00:07:31,350 --> 00:07:33,190 Speaker 2: watching this, I 175 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,260 Speaker 1: am so sorry. Well I didn't say I was sorry 176 00:07:35,260 --> 00:07:38,570 Speaker 1: like back in secondary school after that whole like saga ended. 177 00:07:38,570 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: But you know, looking back, why did I even do 178 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:42,030 Speaker 1: that in the first place 179 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 2: because you wanted to fit in because you know when 180 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,770 Speaker 2: you're in that new stage of your life? But can 181 00:07:46,770 --> 00:07:48,890 Speaker 2: we just say if there any young kids listening to 182 00:07:48,890 --> 00:07:53,070 Speaker 2: us being cool is damn overrated. It's so overrated. Just 183 00:07:53,070 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: be yourself, you know, 184 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:55,890 Speaker 1: but you know there's just a certain phase in your 185 00:07:55,890 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: life where you just want to fit in, you want 186 00:07:58,160 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: people to look up to you like you know you 187 00:07:59,960 --> 00:08:01,700 Speaker 1: have a cool club and everyone was to hang with 188 00:08:01,700 --> 00:08:04,260 Speaker 1: you who doesn't like that feeling, right? But yeah, I 189 00:08:04,260 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: have to say you know sticking the morals is way 190 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:07,540 Speaker 1: more important than being cool. 191 00:08:07,550 --> 00:08:11,460 Speaker 2: Absolutely correct. So actually our producer has a very shocking 192 00:08:11,460 --> 00:08:17,460 Speaker 2: confession here when I read it, I was like, okay 193 00:08:17,470 --> 00:08:20,650 Speaker 2: Producer says I used to steal when I was in 194 00:08:20,650 --> 00:08:25,210 Speaker 2: primary school. I would steal my classmates pencil case during recess. 195 00:08:25,220 --> 00:08:27,230 Speaker 2: And it was you know the two levels kind of 196 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:28,250 Speaker 2: you know the 197 00:08:28,260 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: boxing, can we open up and there's two levels you 198 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:30,890 Speaker 1: can put 199 00:08:30,890 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 2: so many things and she was so jealous but her 200 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,810 Speaker 2: parents don't want to buy it, right? So she resorted 201 00:08:34,820 --> 00:08:35,750 Speaker 2: to stealing it. 202 00:08:36,140 --> 00:08:37,550 Speaker 2: Um She didn't return it, 203 00:08:38,140 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 2: but after primary school she didn't do it any more question. 204 00:08:41,340 --> 00:08:45,470 Speaker 2: But you steal from your classmate you also cannot use, right? 205 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:46,030 Speaker 2: So can 206 00:08:46,030 --> 00:08:48,260 Speaker 1: I just ask after you sold the pencil case you 207 00:08:48,260 --> 00:08:48,700 Speaker 1: just put at 208 00:08:48,700 --> 00:08:53,770 Speaker 2: home. Yes, no it's about the like what compelled you 209 00:08:53,770 --> 00:08:56,850 Speaker 2: to steal it that you wanted it. The thrill of it. 210 00:08:57,940 --> 00:09:00,110 Speaker 1: Also you give her back her pencils. 211 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 2: Okay, so she took the pencil case but left the 212 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 2: pencil 213 00:09:03,250 --> 00:09:06,870 Speaker 1: right. So it's the planning process that gave her the adrenaline. 214 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:07,980 Speaker 1: She 215 00:09:07,980 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: was a producer. She was the primary school. Their reproduction 216 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:13,610 Speaker 2: right there. Can 217 00:09:13,610 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: I make a confession as well? 218 00:09:14,929 --> 00:09:16,660 Speaker 2: Wait 219 00:09:17,150 --> 00:09:18,459 Speaker 1: so guilty. 220 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,570 Speaker 1: Okay, so this happened in my secondary school days, that 221 00:09:22,570 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: same phase where I was just trying to fit in 222 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:29,290 Speaker 1: and all. I have once stole a top. All of 223 00:09:29,290 --> 00:09:32,270 Speaker 1: my friends were, unfortunately, as my friends were all stealing 224 00:09:32,270 --> 00:09:34,260 Speaker 1: and to be part of the cool club, you had 225 00:09:34,260 --> 00:09:38,059 Speaker 1: to steal something to prove yourself. So eventually I did. 226 00:09:38,070 --> 00:09:38,650 Speaker 1: And 227 00:09:38,740 --> 00:09:40,840 Speaker 1: every time I looked at the top hanging in my 228 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 2: wardrobe 229 00:09:42,170 --> 00:09:44,050 Speaker 1: that time at that time, 230 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,340 Speaker 1: every time I look at the top hanging in my wardrobe, 231 00:09:46,340 --> 00:09:49,500 Speaker 1: I just felt this huge pang of guilt in my heart. 232 00:09:49,500 --> 00:09:51,910 Speaker 1: Like I didn't pay for this thing and it didn't 233 00:09:51,910 --> 00:09:54,910 Speaker 1: make me happy wearing it or owning it. So it 234 00:09:54,910 --> 00:09:57,050 Speaker 1: sort of has like become a reminder to myself every 235 00:09:57,050 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: time I looked at it, I tell myself I'll never 236 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: do this again. Yeah. And I still feel very guilty 237 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: that I have once done 238 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:07,099 Speaker 2: this like till this day 239 00:10:07,110 --> 00:10:09,620 Speaker 1: to day. Yeah. It's a very small mistake that I 240 00:10:09,620 --> 00:10:11,209 Speaker 1: made when I was young of course after that I 241 00:10:11,210 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: went back to pay back the money in terms of 242 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: like the tip box, you know the donation 243 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:16,100 Speaker 2: box I put it 244 00:10:16,100 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: back in because I just felt so bad, but it 245 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: was 246 00:10:20,340 --> 00:10:22,949 Speaker 1: a life lesson learned I guess after that I've never 247 00:10:22,950 --> 00:10:23,610 Speaker 1: done it again. 248 00:10:23,620 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 2: That's the thing when you're young they say like you put, 249 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,370 Speaker 2: you know what I mean, you don't realize these things 250 00:10:27,370 --> 00:10:29,530 Speaker 2: are wrong, you just see your friends doing it, they 251 00:10:29,530 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 2: normalize it and you think it's okay to do it. 252 00:10:31,690 --> 00:10:34,059 Speaker 2: Like you know, like we said with the J part 253 00:10:34,059 --> 00:10:36,969 Speaker 2: thing and you're saying certain things on social media, it's 254 00:10:36,980 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 2: all about educating yourself 255 00:10:39,140 --> 00:10:41,750 Speaker 2: only when you're older and then you realize I shouldn't 256 00:10:41,750 --> 00:10:44,350 Speaker 2: have done that. Yes, because sometimes at the age as 257 00:10:44,350 --> 00:10:46,950 Speaker 2: well the things that you say especially on the internet 258 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,790 Speaker 2: is really to prove a point or it's really to, 259 00:10:49,790 --> 00:10:52,750 Speaker 2: you know, sort of just look cool, you know have 260 00:10:52,750 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 2: some sort of influence and sometimes you say stupid things, 261 00:10:55,570 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 2: but I think as long as you eventually feel guilt 262 00:10:58,730 --> 00:10:59,449 Speaker 2: at some point, 263 00:10:59,540 --> 00:11:01,699 Speaker 2: that means you know, you've done wrong right, 264 00:11:01,710 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: Right. So another example, you guys know about the saga, 265 00:11:06,690 --> 00:11:09,110 Speaker 1: the actor of 25, weightlifting fairy 266 00:11:09,110 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 2: kim guy, 267 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,710 Speaker 1: he's like making it big in Korea right now. But 268 00:11:12,710 --> 00:11:16,170 Speaker 1: recently there are some allegations made against him by his 269 00:11:16,179 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 1: schoolmates back when he was in high school saying that 270 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,080 Speaker 1: he is a school bully, he's a tyrant and he 271 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:22,359 Speaker 1: said mean stuff 272 00:11:22,540 --> 00:11:25,330 Speaker 1: To a girl um you know, just because his friend, 273 00:11:25,330 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: a brother like, wasn't a good terms with this girl. 274 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,630 Speaker 1: So all of them attacked the girl together. So this 275 00:11:29,630 --> 00:11:32,829 Speaker 1: happened clearly like a decade ago, like 10 years ago, 276 00:11:32,830 --> 00:11:35,060 Speaker 1: but it's coming back to bite him right now as 277 00:11:35,059 --> 00:11:37,390 Speaker 1: we're speaking, you know, he's facing all these allegations and 278 00:11:37,390 --> 00:11:37,630 Speaker 1: stuff 279 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,380 Speaker 2: tired of this letter. Honestly, I think we hear about like, 280 00:11:40,390 --> 00:11:43,370 Speaker 2: k actors and K pop idols, like every other month, 281 00:11:43,370 --> 00:11:44,349 Speaker 2: someone will come out 282 00:11:44,540 --> 00:11:46,670 Speaker 2: just because they're making it big, Someone will come out. 283 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 2: It's exactly like the Jeff story for me, right? It 284 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,359 Speaker 2: really feels like, oh my God, just let that guy 285 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 2: have his 5000 audience, la you know, not say 20 286 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,380 Speaker 2: 30,000 or so, he's so unhappy for what? 287 00:11:57,390 --> 00:11:59,689 Speaker 1: But that's the that's the question, right, Do you want 288 00:11:59,690 --> 00:12:03,380 Speaker 1: to support an idol who may have once done this? 289 00:12:03,380 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: Do we know if he or she has changed for 290 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:06,050 Speaker 1: the better already? 291 00:12:06,140 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 2: But the thing is, there's always two sides to a story, right? 292 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,830 Speaker 2: You never know how they feel. And I think, you know, 293 00:12:10,830 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: when you're in the public eye, sometimes, maybe perhaps I'm 294 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,180 Speaker 2: just saying like, maybe your management restricts you from saying 295 00:12:16,179 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 2: certain things so you can't really defend yourself, but let's say, okay, 296 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 2: you're not in the industry, right? You're just a person 297 00:12:21,940 --> 00:12:23,839 Speaker 2: who has done bad things in the past, but you 298 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:25,969 Speaker 2: turn over a new leaf, like, do you guys think 299 00:12:25,970 --> 00:12:28,059 Speaker 2: people can actually change for the better? 300 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,309 Speaker 2: I do think so, I don't think so and I 301 00:12:30,309 --> 00:12:32,410 Speaker 2: think it's just unfortunate that, you know, all these stories 302 00:12:32,410 --> 00:12:33,660 Speaker 2: we hear are of like 303 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:35,250 Speaker 1: people with some sort 304 00:12:35,250 --> 00:12:38,650 Speaker 2: of fame or people in the public eye, I think 305 00:12:38,650 --> 00:12:40,370 Speaker 2: that other people who are not in the public eye 306 00:12:40,370 --> 00:12:43,550 Speaker 2: probably do the same, but it's just not being like 307 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,050 Speaker 2: blown up more definitely. 308 00:12:46,059 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 1: I feel that people can change is whether or not 309 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: they want to. So a very interesting piece of information here. 310 00:12:52,340 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: Research that looked at 200 studies found that with the 311 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: right treatment, people are even able to change their personalities. 312 00:12:58,370 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: You would think a personality is what you're given, you know, 313 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: the moment you're born, but that can be changed as 314 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: well is like nurture versus nature, am I right? So 315 00:13:06,250 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: the question isn't whether people can change is whether they 316 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: want to, that's what I feel 317 00:13:11,770 --> 00:13:15,860 Speaker 2: quite scary discovery recently. So a couple of weeks ago 318 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,860 Speaker 2: before I left I had bumped into a friend 319 00:13:18,940 --> 00:13:22,570 Speaker 2: okay whom I haven't seen since secondary school. So I 320 00:13:22,570 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 2: bumped into her Actually, both of you were there at night? Yes, 321 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:28,750 Speaker 2: both of you were that night. 322 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:29,730 Speaker 1: Guy friend of female 323 00:13:29,730 --> 00:13:32,589 Speaker 2: female friends. Okay, so I bumped at this, I went 324 00:13:32,590 --> 00:13:33,459 Speaker 2: to an all girls school ma 325 00:13:33,540 --> 00:13:35,330 Speaker 2: so I went to bomb to this girl who I 326 00:13:35,330 --> 00:13:39,350 Speaker 2: went to school with, she's thinking which night Yeah. 327 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,020 Speaker 2: And um she was with a boyfriend who I never 328 00:13:42,020 --> 00:13:45,050 Speaker 2: met and um we haven't seen each other in a 329 00:13:45,050 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 2: long time. And then she introduced me, the first thing 330 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,700 Speaker 2: she said to introduce me was oh, this is a Zora. 331 00:13:50,700 --> 00:13:52,660 Speaker 2: We went to school together. She was the girl in 332 00:13:52,660 --> 00:13:54,590 Speaker 2: school everybody wanted to be because she didn't give a 333 00:13:54,670 --> 00:13:55,250 Speaker 2: about anything. 334 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,059 Speaker 2: I was like, nothing has changed. Is that a bad thing? 335 00:13:58,070 --> 00:14:00,930 Speaker 2: So you haven't changed? Haven't changed. Okay. 336 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,500 Speaker 2: You stuck to your guys quite horrified. I was like 337 00:14:04,500 --> 00:14:05,110 Speaker 2: that since young. 338 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: So is living proof that if you are just yourself, 339 00:14:08,090 --> 00:14:09,050 Speaker 1: people want to hang out with 340 00:14:09,050 --> 00:14:13,460 Speaker 2: you? True, right? I don't think that's a bad thing. Yeah, 341 00:14:13,470 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 2: take it in stride. Okay, I'll take it, right? But 342 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:21,590 Speaker 2: the next day I was like really? I think like 343 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,650 Speaker 2: I try to avoid meeting people from my past because 344 00:14:25,660 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 2: I feel really bad about the things I've done some 345 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 2: of what you know like in secondary school because I 346 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,500 Speaker 2: was bullied in primary school, right? So when I went 347 00:14:32,500 --> 00:14:33,590 Speaker 2: into secondary school, bully 348 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:34,690 Speaker 1: you decided to be the bully. I 349 00:14:34,690 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 2: told you guys this when I was bullied in primary school, 350 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 2: like I used to stay very far in Congo and 351 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:40,950 Speaker 2: so it would just be me and two other girls 352 00:14:40,950 --> 00:14:42,470 Speaker 2: and they would take them slapping me on the bus. 353 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,790 Speaker 2: You never told us you guys this. Yeah, when I 354 00:14:45,790 --> 00:14:47,260 Speaker 2: was like the five, like 355 00:14:47,380 --> 00:14:48,530 Speaker 1: it was slap you on the 356 00:14:48,530 --> 00:14:50,750 Speaker 2: bus, like just for fun and I don't know how 357 00:14:50,750 --> 00:14:53,330 Speaker 2: to snap back. So I learned in secondary school, right 358 00:14:53,330 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 2: how to bully people back and I thought like that 359 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:57,090 Speaker 2: was the way of taking my power 360 00:14:57,090 --> 00:15:00,150 Speaker 1: back, right? But in your defense you have to stand 361 00:15:00,150 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: up for yourself right 362 00:15:00,970 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 2: now. But I didn't stand up for myself to those girls. 363 00:15:03,250 --> 00:15:03,910 Speaker 1: Only learned a few 364 00:15:03,910 --> 00:15:06,380 Speaker 2: years later when I went into secondary school. So when 365 00:15:06,380 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 2: I had like riffs with you know, friends in secondary schools, 366 00:15:09,410 --> 00:15:10,050 Speaker 2: I would like, 367 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,250 Speaker 2: okay, I'll tell you guys something that I did. I 368 00:15:12,250 --> 00:15:15,100 Speaker 2: feel so, so bad about and like if you're listening 369 00:15:15,100 --> 00:15:17,010 Speaker 2: to this, I don't know if you do, but I'm 370 00:15:17,010 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 2: so sorry, I love you. So when I was in 371 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,780 Speaker 2: secondary school I fell out with a very, very, very 372 00:15:22,780 --> 00:15:23,550 Speaker 2: good friend of mine 373 00:15:24,140 --> 00:15:26,030 Speaker 2: because we fell out, you know, we used to have 374 00:15:26,030 --> 00:15:28,930 Speaker 2: black spots and you can do a private blogspot where 375 00:15:28,930 --> 00:15:31,890 Speaker 2: you need a passport to enter or only certain people 376 00:15:31,890 --> 00:15:35,430 Speaker 2: can see. I asked one of our mutual friends to 377 00:15:35,430 --> 00:15:37,250 Speaker 2: go into this blogspot 378 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,260 Speaker 2: and take the source code, 379 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,630 Speaker 2: copy the entire html code and I replicated it and 380 00:15:43,630 --> 00:15:46,300 Speaker 2: it was like her personal diary of things like people 381 00:15:46,300 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 2: she had a crush on and all that. 382 00:15:48,650 --> 00:15:52,300 Speaker 1: So you basically publicized her private blogspot? 383 00:15:52,300 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 2: Yes. 384 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:54,750 Speaker 1: Nice, 385 00:15:55,340 --> 00:15:55,980 Speaker 1: I'm so 386 00:15:55,980 --> 00:15:56,450 Speaker 2: sorry, 387 00:15:57,540 --> 00:16:00,390 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, you know, things like that and I 388 00:16:00,390 --> 00:16:03,470 Speaker 2: feel so bad and I think I apologized to her 389 00:16:03,470 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 2: in secondary school but at this point to go back 390 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,479 Speaker 2: to her, I felt bad about it every single day 391 00:16:08,490 --> 00:16:10,620 Speaker 2: up till this day, I still feel bad about it. 392 00:16:10,630 --> 00:16:12,030 Speaker 2: But yeah, that was, that was like when I went 393 00:16:12,030 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 2: into secondary school I was like ok now I'm going 394 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:15,660 Speaker 2: to be the bully because I was bullied 395 00:16:15,740 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 2: but at the end of the day just it's just 396 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:18,900 Speaker 2: not worth the guilt. I 397 00:16:18,900 --> 00:16:21,140 Speaker 1: feel like from the stories that Jamie had been telling us, 398 00:16:21,150 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: she's a very different goal now as from what she 399 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,010 Speaker 1: was in secondary school. 400 00:16:26,010 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was a bit much. No, I was really, 401 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,220 Speaker 2: I was a straight up bit and I think that 402 00:16:31,230 --> 00:16:33,350 Speaker 2: looking at how it hurt people that really 403 00:16:33,740 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 2: like made me want to change what for be in 404 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,250 Speaker 2: this world to cause her to people right? 405 00:16:39,260 --> 00:16:40,100 Speaker 1: I agree that 406 00:16:40,100 --> 00:16:42,770 Speaker 2: I feel like while growing up right everybody 407 00:16:43,140 --> 00:16:47,620 Speaker 2: while finding themselves do stupid things, you know? And then 408 00:16:47,620 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 2: they become skeleton your closets and then at some point 409 00:16:51,490 --> 00:16:54,070 Speaker 2: they either come or they don't know, I feel like 410 00:16:54,070 --> 00:16:56,570 Speaker 2: at this stage of life I'm still doing stupid things, 411 00:16:56,580 --> 00:16:58,340 Speaker 2: not bullying people 412 00:16:58,350 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: just to yourself, you know like, like it doesn't affect 413 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:01,660 Speaker 1: anyone 414 00:17:01,660 --> 00:17:05,670 Speaker 2: else myself. Okay. 415 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:06,990 Speaker 2: So 416 00:17:06,990 --> 00:17:09,740 Speaker 1: I feel like has been the same through all these years, 417 00:17:09,740 --> 00:17:12,250 Speaker 1: like a friend has mentioned but Jamie you have evolved 418 00:17:12,260 --> 00:17:12,909 Speaker 1: a lot 419 00:17:13,330 --> 00:17:16,330 Speaker 2: has found like your self confidence like now you know 420 00:17:16,330 --> 00:17:18,629 Speaker 2: your self worth, you know what you stand for, you 421 00:17:18,630 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 2: know your value and therefore you don't need to worry 422 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:21,330 Speaker 2: about the rest, 423 00:17:21,340 --> 00:17:23,150 Speaker 1: right? And I've never been happier. 424 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:24,100 Speaker 2: Like I 425 00:17:24,100 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: feel like the secondary school, 426 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:28,670 Speaker 1: the entire saga, that incident like taught me so much, 427 00:17:28,740 --> 00:17:31,510 Speaker 1: I flunked my studies just because I wanted to be cool, 428 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,990 Speaker 1: cheated in examinations and stole stuff and all that, but 429 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,460 Speaker 1: it's not who I want to be. So I feel like, 430 00:17:38,460 --> 00:17:41,290 Speaker 1: you know, recognizing her self worth is very important. But 431 00:17:41,290 --> 00:17:44,530 Speaker 1: do you girls know of anyone who has changed drastically 432 00:17:44,530 --> 00:17:46,150 Speaker 1: over the years, I 433 00:17:46,150 --> 00:17:47,850 Speaker 2: can't say names, but 434 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,020 Speaker 2: there's a very, very famous female influencer in Singapore, Okay. 435 00:17:51,020 --> 00:17:53,190 Speaker 2: One of the most famous ones like about our age 436 00:17:53,190 --> 00:17:56,580 Speaker 2: or younger, okay. And people that met her about six 437 00:17:56,580 --> 00:17:59,650 Speaker 2: or seven years ago all say she's a witch, they 438 00:17:59,650 --> 00:18:02,790 Speaker 2: say she's the worst person, the nastiest person, but people 439 00:18:02,790 --> 00:18:04,630 Speaker 2: that have met her in the last 2 to 3 440 00:18:04,630 --> 00:18:06,820 Speaker 2: years because she's a mom. Now, people that have met 441 00:18:06,820 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: her recently, they all say she's the nicest person on 442 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:13,420 Speaker 2: this earth. So she's obviously changed, you know, 1 80 443 00:18:13,420 --> 00:18:16,060 Speaker 2: after starting a family after growing up 444 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:17,860 Speaker 2: and I can really see that as 445 00:18:17,859 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: Well, I feel like being a mom changes things like 446 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,450 Speaker 1: the example I had in mind was also my secondary 447 00:18:22,450 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: school schoolmate, she's known to be like a tyrant in 448 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,970 Speaker 1: secondary school, but then after that she got married, she 449 00:18:29,970 --> 00:18:32,850 Speaker 1: got a kid at the age of like what between 16-18. 450 00:18:32,850 --> 00:18:35,100 Speaker 1: So that's pretty young for our age. So she was 451 00:18:35,100 --> 00:18:35,860 Speaker 1: one of the first 452 00:18:35,940 --> 00:18:38,700 Speaker 1: in our circle of friends to get married and get 453 00:18:38,700 --> 00:18:39,060 Speaker 1: a kid 454 00:18:39,340 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 1: and now she's a mom of three. I feel like 455 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: she's so different now from when she was in secondary school, 456 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,860 Speaker 1: so much more mature, so much more understanding and giving. 457 00:18:48,340 --> 00:18:50,109 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think being a mom changes things 458 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:53,350 Speaker 2: actually, right? I'm just thinking of like, you know, every 459 00:18:53,350 --> 00:18:59,340 Speaker 2: time election season comes around and suddenly things come up 460 00:18:59,350 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 2: and they really like, I think 461 00:19:01,340 --> 00:19:07,270 Speaker 2: ruin people's rice balls, their lives, their careers, their careers, everything. 462 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 2: And I don't know if it's justifiable like sure they 463 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,689 Speaker 2: may have done something bad, but I don't know if 464 00:19:13,690 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 2: that's justifiable to, you know, sort of like 465 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,659 Speaker 2: don't you think that it's sort of like ganging up 466 00:19:19,670 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 2: on a person 467 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,750 Speaker 2: on a different scale, right? And the scariest part is 468 00:19:24,750 --> 00:19:28,350 Speaker 2: you don't even know if hundreds of the information, you 469 00:19:28,350 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 2: know is real. We can't we can't ascertain that. And 470 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,270 Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, like we said earlier and 471 00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:38,869 Speaker 2: over and over again this episode, like everybody has done something, 472 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,060 Speaker 2: but it's just that 473 00:19:41,540 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 2: it's now that, you know, people just decide that the 474 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,209 Speaker 2: minute someone is about to do something of their lives, 475 00:19:48,220 --> 00:19:49,550 Speaker 2: they're going to come out and say something about it 476 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 2: and I don't know how to feel about that. 477 00:19:52,540 --> 00:19:54,729 Speaker 2: So it makes me feel right now right? Like if 478 00:19:54,730 --> 00:19:55,850 Speaker 2: you're going to be in the public eye, if you're 479 00:19:55,850 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 2: gonna go into politics or whatever it is, you're gonna 480 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,420 Speaker 2: be squeaky clean, like clean, clean, 481 00:20:01,430 --> 00:20:04,820 Speaker 1: we'll bring that back to us. We are social media personalities, 482 00:20:04,820 --> 00:20:07,270 Speaker 1: we are radio DJs as well. Of course, nothing to 483 00:20:07,270 --> 00:20:09,610 Speaker 1: do with politics. But you know, being in our line 484 00:20:09,609 --> 00:20:11,460 Speaker 1: of work, do you feel like we have some 485 00:20:11,540 --> 00:20:13,670 Speaker 1: responsibilities to uphold? 486 00:20:13,740 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Even if you do something wrong right, people will say, oh, 487 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,780 Speaker 2: but you're in the public eye, what did you expect? 488 00:20:18,790 --> 00:20:20,910 Speaker 2: Of course it's going to be scrutiny on you. Then 489 00:20:20,910 --> 00:20:22,129 Speaker 2: you blame it on you saying he wants you to 490 00:20:22,130 --> 00:20:24,300 Speaker 2: choose this job and they said like, oh, you should 491 00:20:24,300 --> 00:20:27,210 Speaker 2: have known what you signed up for. This is what 492 00:20:27,210 --> 00:20:28,670 Speaker 2: you chose. Yeah. 493 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: So I have this pair of like denim shorts, right? 494 00:20:31,770 --> 00:20:35,530 Speaker 1: That has the words fuck you on them until this 495 00:20:35,530 --> 00:20:37,510 Speaker 1: very day. I don't know if I should take it 496 00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: out to wear them because if people see then johnson 497 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: son DJ wear these kind of shots. 498 00:20:43,930 --> 00:20:46,649 Speaker 2: You know, I have the same pair of pants, it's 499 00:20:46,650 --> 00:20:49,590 Speaker 2: from a brand called fucking rabbits and it says, I 500 00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:56,550 Speaker 2: want to suck, you cannot wear one day. Okay. 501 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,580 Speaker 2: I think we were together when I wanted to buy 502 00:20:58,580 --> 00:21:02,020 Speaker 2: this pair of shoes that says fuck you and one 503 00:21:02,020 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 2: of you said no, no, I 504 00:21:03,650 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 1: Think that could have been me, Jeremy would not be 505 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:06,430 Speaker 1: one 506 00:21:06,810 --> 00:21:15,460 Speaker 2: nice. Okay, maybe. Okay, okay. But yeah, I do think 507 00:21:15,460 --> 00:21:16,350 Speaker 2: that you know 508 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,780 Speaker 2: being in the public eye, you definitely are held to 509 00:21:18,780 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 2: a higher standard 510 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 2: and but here's the thing like we are in the industry, 511 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,550 Speaker 2: we know plenty of people that 512 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 2: also at the same time don't really uphold this moral responsibility, right? 513 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:30,690 Speaker 2: It's just 514 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:32,150 Speaker 2: whether it comes out or not 515 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,630 Speaker 1: Right? And I feel like we have different personalities when 516 00:21:35,630 --> 00:21:37,820 Speaker 1: we are on air and when we're off air. So 517 00:21:37,820 --> 00:21:40,050 Speaker 1: of course on the things we talk about, I feel 518 00:21:40,050 --> 00:21:43,850 Speaker 1: like the moral responsibility should be the 101% but off 519 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,820 Speaker 1: on our own social media's do you guys think that 520 00:21:46,820 --> 00:21:48,550 Speaker 1: there can be a bit of like a 521 00:21:48,940 --> 00:21:51,540 Speaker 1: a buffer space for us to like you know just 522 00:21:51,550 --> 00:21:53,590 Speaker 1: honestly present what we really feel. Yeah 523 00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:56,609 Speaker 2: because on air we are helped by broadcasting standards, you 524 00:21:56,609 --> 00:21:59,540 Speaker 2: know we have to follow those regulations. But I think 525 00:21:59,540 --> 00:22:01,310 Speaker 2: on our social media we have a bit more leeway 526 00:22:01,310 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 2: there like in supporting maybe like activism, things that we 527 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:05,910 Speaker 2: believe in. 528 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 1: So like speaking of stigma, what about the stigma against 529 00:22:09,369 --> 00:22:12,230 Speaker 1: ex convicts, do you guys believe that after they come 530 00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: out of jail 531 00:22:13,340 --> 00:22:14,530 Speaker 1: they really turned over a new 532 00:22:14,530 --> 00:22:17,570 Speaker 2: leaf? Oh I absolutely believe that you can, I think 533 00:22:17,580 --> 00:22:20,810 Speaker 2: with proper rehabilitation even at the point of you know 534 00:22:20,810 --> 00:22:22,980 Speaker 2: being in prison, you need to have that kind of 535 00:22:22,980 --> 00:22:23,450 Speaker 2: support 536 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,949 Speaker 2: that helps you adjust when you come out. Right? 537 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,170 Speaker 1: I fully agree with you. I think we can believe that. 538 00:22:28,170 --> 00:22:31,619 Speaker 1: But what about society, do you think society can believe 539 00:22:31,619 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: that they can change? I 540 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,109 Speaker 2: think at the end of the day, right? Like you 541 00:22:36,109 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 2: should understand that everybody is doing the best and everybody's human. 542 00:22:41,330 --> 00:22:44,630 Speaker 2: So I feel like if everybody had the mindset that 543 00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:46,550 Speaker 2: who are we to judge someone else, 544 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,210 Speaker 2: it might be like, you know, more inclusive society, we 545 00:22:49,210 --> 00:22:50,970 Speaker 2: might be a little bit nicer because I feel like 546 00:22:50,980 --> 00:22:54,750 Speaker 2: for ex convicts especially um I do believe that, you know, 547 00:22:54,750 --> 00:22:55,010 Speaker 2: people 548 00:22:55,010 --> 00:22:55,899 Speaker 1: say like, oh, 549 00:22:55,900 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: they can't change or they'll just come out and look 550 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,710 Speaker 2: for their old friends or things like that. It's because 551 00:23:00,710 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 2: you're shunned them 552 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,090 Speaker 2: and you're not Exactly. And the only people that they 553 00:23:06,090 --> 00:23:07,770 Speaker 2: have are the friends that they knew 554 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 2: before they went in and you never know what they 555 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 2: went in for. You know, it could have been to 556 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,230 Speaker 2: save their family, to support their family. I don't know 557 00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:16,300 Speaker 2: if you guys do this, I just learned this recently 558 00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:19,939 Speaker 2: that a lot of um you know, people who do 559 00:23:19,950 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 2: bad things, they actually have something called what they called, 560 00:23:24,130 --> 00:23:26,670 Speaker 2: so where you pay them money every month 561 00:23:26,940 --> 00:23:28,770 Speaker 2: and then if anything happens to you, 562 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,379 Speaker 2: they will say that they did it and they will 563 00:23:30,380 --> 00:23:33,070 Speaker 2: sit in jail for you. So these people, their whole 564 00:23:33,070 --> 00:23:35,370 Speaker 2: lives going to jail and come out and they just 565 00:23:35,369 --> 00:23:37,830 Speaker 2: get paid a lot of money, but it's for their family, 566 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,369 Speaker 1: so they are called the people who go in and 567 00:23:40,369 --> 00:23:41,820 Speaker 1: come out and they 568 00:23:41,820 --> 00:23:45,300 Speaker 2: Just sit around and get paid like $5,000, every month. 569 00:23:45,310 --> 00:23:46,580 Speaker 2: And then one day they would just have to go 570 00:23:46,580 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 2: and sit in jail for however long 571 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:49,670 Speaker 2: for the person that hired them 572 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,780 Speaker 2: and they get even more money. Sorry, this happens in Singapore. 573 00:23:52,790 --> 00:23:57,390 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course, wow. Yeah. You know, I mean 574 00:23:57,390 --> 00:24:00,450 Speaker 2: it's also the reason of why you end up in there. Yeah, 575 00:24:00,460 --> 00:24:02,219 Speaker 2: sometimes it's not as straightforward as we think. 576 00:24:02,230 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: So I think we all know it's very important to 577 00:24:04,930 --> 00:24:07,510 Speaker 1: not be quick to judge like what we have mentioned 578 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:08,060 Speaker 1: earlier 579 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: and how do you know if someone has changed for 580 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,590 Speaker 1: the better, genuinely, I feel like the best test is 581 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 1: if you communicate with him or her yourself 582 00:24:16,130 --> 00:24:20,750 Speaker 2: so I can actually short, sorry, it's confession time by 583 00:24:20,750 --> 00:24:22,100 Speaker 2: the way, right? Because when I was in europe I 584 00:24:22,100 --> 00:24:24,710 Speaker 2: passed like so many judges, right, every time we pass 585 00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:28,500 Speaker 2: the church, my friends would say, yeah, if you go in, 586 00:24:28,500 --> 00:24:30,950 Speaker 2: you never come up, excuse me. So 587 00:24:31,140 --> 00:24:35,869 Speaker 2: okay, okay, so many many years ago when I was 588 00:24:35,869 --> 00:24:39,980 Speaker 2: a teenager, right, okay, so I had a teacher, not 589 00:24:39,980 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 2: a school teacher, so this wasn't taught me for a 590 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 2: long time since I was like really young, like 789, 591 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:47,949 Speaker 2: you know? So this wasn't was with me for a 592 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,770 Speaker 2: really long time and we were very close because you're like, 593 00:24:51,770 --> 00:24:53,060 Speaker 2: my mentor, right? 594 00:24:53,540 --> 00:24:55,460 Speaker 2: Okay. But eventually when I, 595 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 2: I was a teenager and you know, had like 596 00:24:58,340 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 2: rebellious streak castrations, right? And was a bit hard headed, 597 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,750 Speaker 2: wanted like things my own way. So I did certain 598 00:25:06,750 --> 00:25:09,540 Speaker 2: things that this person did not agree with or you know, 599 00:25:09,540 --> 00:25:14,140 Speaker 2: I took paths that she had other plans for me, right? 600 00:25:14,140 --> 00:25:16,100 Speaker 2: She's very hard on me from the beginning since I 601 00:25:16,100 --> 00:25:18,170 Speaker 2: was young. It was a very 602 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,909 Speaker 2: tough love thing and I don't do very well with 603 00:25:20,910 --> 00:25:23,060 Speaker 2: tough love. Yeah. So sometimes I like, 604 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,990 Speaker 2: I mean for the longest time, sometimes I cry, I 605 00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:28,190 Speaker 2: go home and complain that kind of thing, you know, 606 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 2: what do you do to her? I went home and 607 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 2: I wrote something, I was very angry, right? So I 608 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,310 Speaker 2: wrote something, I was just like, oh my God, I've 609 00:25:35,310 --> 00:25:36,770 Speaker 2: had enough of this, like, 610 00:25:37,340 --> 00:25:40,930 Speaker 2: oh my God, because it's a very like punishing thing, 611 00:25:40,930 --> 00:25:43,169 Speaker 2: you know, like, oh, you never do correctly, Like you 612 00:25:43,170 --> 00:25:45,369 Speaker 2: get punished kind of thing. So it's not very happy 613 00:25:45,369 --> 00:25:48,100 Speaker 2: about it. And I think the specific line I said 614 00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:48,949 Speaker 2: was 615 00:25:49,540 --> 00:25:51,689 Speaker 2: the shoe is about to fly, like 616 00:25:51,690 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: your shoes about to fly at her. 617 00:25:53,570 --> 00:25:55,670 Speaker 2: Okay? You texted her 618 00:25:55,670 --> 00:25:58,369 Speaker 1: this block Block block block your 619 00:25:58,369 --> 00:26:04,070 Speaker 2: blog? Yes, I blocked this, right? And obviously this wasn't 620 00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:06,540 Speaker 2: read it. Okay. I think from then on, right, that 621 00:26:06,540 --> 00:26:09,550 Speaker 2: was the turning point that until today 622 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 2: we're not okay. You know, like 623 00:26:12,140 --> 00:26:15,300 Speaker 2: I have apologized for this a long time ago and 624 00:26:15,310 --> 00:26:18,310 Speaker 2: after shortly after that, maybe a few years after that 625 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 2: after I left like her teachings and went to seek 626 00:26:22,770 --> 00:26:23,220 Speaker 2: teachings 627 00:26:23,220 --> 00:26:24,260 Speaker 1: elsewhere. 628 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:25,110 Speaker 1: But we 629 00:26:25,109 --> 00:26:28,510 Speaker 2: continue to be involved with each other, right? And I 630 00:26:28,510 --> 00:26:30,870 Speaker 2: will constantly go up and say hi because for me 631 00:26:30,869 --> 00:26:32,690 Speaker 2: at the end of day, no matter what right? You 632 00:26:32,690 --> 00:26:34,830 Speaker 2: taught me whatever I need to know. And I will 633 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,350 Speaker 2: always say until today, like this person taught me for 634 00:26:37,350 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 2: the longest time, but she would never come to me. 635 00:26:40,540 --> 00:26:42,970 Speaker 2: I would still come and say hello, I would still 636 00:26:42,970 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 2: come and you know, and I feel like wow for 637 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,649 Speaker 2: something so stupid that I did, right? I'm still paying 638 00:26:47,650 --> 00:26:51,220 Speaker 2: for it. She's still hurt by your words and she 639 00:26:51,220 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 2: still holds a grudge and that's something that you have 640 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 2: no control over. You can't force someone to forgive you 641 00:26:56,650 --> 00:26:58,990 Speaker 2: right at the end of the day. I think you 642 00:26:58,990 --> 00:27:00,610 Speaker 2: just need to find it in yourself to live with 643 00:27:00,609 --> 00:27:02,340 Speaker 2: it because that's what you did. 644 00:27:02,350 --> 00:27:04,869 Speaker 1: Okay, so before we close off this episode, any last 645 00:27:04,869 --> 00:27:05,860 Speaker 1: words for our listeners here 646 00:27:05,940 --> 00:27:09,130 Speaker 2: forgive but don't forget. No, I'm 647 00:27:09,140 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: just kidding, I'm 648 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,050 Speaker 2: just kidding. No, just you know, if you've done something bad, 649 00:27:13,050 --> 00:27:16,750 Speaker 2: just I guess reason within yourself, um, and learn from 650 00:27:16,750 --> 00:27:19,330 Speaker 2: your mistakes, Your past does not define you, 651 00:27:19,340 --> 00:27:22,050 Speaker 1: right? I still want to say be yourself, you know, 652 00:27:22,060 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: hold your own like morals, your own responsibilities and don't 653 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: let anyone else 654 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,109 Speaker 1: influence you because you want to be cool. Just be yourself. 655 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: If 656 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,490 Speaker 2: people are canceling someone and you technically have nothing to 657 00:27:34,490 --> 00:27:38,150 Speaker 2: do with it. Don't add like fuel to the fire. True. Yes, 658 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,850 Speaker 1: very true. All right. Thank you so much for tuning 659 00:27:40,850 --> 00:27:44,340 Speaker 1: into this episode of calamities podcast 660 00:27:44,350 --> 00:27:47,470 Speaker 2: were very scared. Don't cancel us. Please. 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