Speaker 1: Ah
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to the mutton sandwich podcast after
Speaker 2: a cheeky little
Speaker 1: break. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: We're back with our first guest of 2022 and I
Speaker 2: think of of the, you know, almost two years we've
Speaker 2: been doing the podcast now button. This will be our
Speaker 2: first guest who is currently overseas as we speak to.
Speaker 1: That's right. We're talking about Mr
Speaker 2: mr Hello.
Speaker 1: So nice to catch up with you. It's been a
Speaker 1: while my friend and
Speaker 3: it has been,
Speaker 1: yeah. And you're our first guest that we're actually talking to,
Speaker 2: who's who's
Speaker 1: overseas now. Tell us about why you you tell Singapore,
Speaker 3: it's called Mental Health Break.
Speaker 1: I
Speaker 3: mean, seriously guys, over two years, we've been stuck in Singapore, right?
Speaker 3: And then, you know, I mean for all the wonderful
Speaker 3: things that our country has done, it's a pressure cooker
Speaker 3: environment that you know, if you always tell people if
Speaker 3: you have a chance and opportunity to go, just do
Speaker 3: all the tests and protect yourself and just get out
Speaker 3: of the country once, you know, just just go, I mean,
Speaker 3: it's it's okay
Speaker 3: to to say, you know, and I'm not being unpatriotic
Speaker 3: but just go, you know, see the world breathe fresh air.
Speaker 3: It is, it is because then you realize a lot
Speaker 3: of fear and internalized paranoia in this country is is
Speaker 3: quite real. And
Speaker 2: it is actually I went to the US recently and
Speaker 2: like nobody even cares about Covid anymore, you know? So
Speaker 2: everywhere is just slightly different. Right? Tell us where you are.
Speaker 3: I mean, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean I'm in Australia. I'm in Sydney actually. What?
Speaker 3: Well I went to Sydney um I left in november
Speaker 3: actually to just maximize my
Speaker 1: visa. Just
Speaker 3: do it three months, take a break. You know I'm
Speaker 3: up north and port stephens beautiful. It's
Speaker 1: blue sky, blue
Speaker 3: water. Yeah and just just just relaxing a little bit
Speaker 3: and just really like I said a mental health break
Speaker 3: regrouping
Speaker 3: um wondering if I come back whether still got work
Speaker 3: for me but that kind of thing like you
Speaker 1: know, I was just gonna ask how are we ever
Speaker 1: going to see you back? Will you decide oh that's it.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm staying here and never coming back.
Speaker 3: Yeah I'll be a checkout chick work in a supermarket here. Right?
Speaker 3: No I will
Speaker 1: come back
Speaker 2: next time I go to a Woodward. So like
Speaker 1: you
Speaker 2: know funny
Speaker 3: enough I loved it. Yeah
Speaker 2: funny enough it was november. I think I ran into
Speaker 2: you at great World remember.
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah. Hey what's up? And then like two days
Speaker 2: later I saw your instagram like by a
Speaker 1: must have been at the moment,
Speaker 3: the moment the borders opened,
Speaker 3: I bought my
Speaker 1: ticket. Yeah well because
Speaker 3: Singapore is the only country that I think Australia is
Speaker 3: letting in now pilot touristic so and it's fine. It's
Speaker 3: really really fun to come here and just
Speaker 3: you know. Yes you have to be careful you know?
Speaker 3: But on the streets, masks are off. But it's just
Speaker 3: yeah just the space, it's lovely to be, you know,
Speaker 3: somewhere else. Hang
Speaker 1: on, hang on. But isn't Australia, you know, infamous for
Speaker 1: for their lockdowns, like, you know, one case and boom,
Speaker 1: they shut the borders and everything. So has that been
Speaker 1: in china?
Speaker 3: Well,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but we've read the same thing's happening in
Speaker 1: Australia as well. What's been happening over there and
Speaker 3: so on the ground, um the new Premier Dominique, Perrault
Speaker 3: has said no more lockdowns. We have to live with
Speaker 3: the virus. So, um, so, I mean, they have gone
Speaker 3: from from no pcr test anymore.
Speaker 3: Just a normal A. R. T test. If it's positive
Speaker 3: media case, you don't have to confirm with the pr
Speaker 3: PcR to now if you are positive, just their own
Speaker 3: friends and family,
Speaker 1: right? Kind of like
Speaker 3: myself, kind
Speaker 2: of like Singapore, right? Yeah. I mean, because now, even
Speaker 2: if you test positive for the H. R. T. If
Speaker 2: you're asymptomatic, just just stay home,
Speaker 1: stay home. Don't just like when you have the common
Speaker 1: flu like to stay home, you don't go out when
Speaker 1: you're sick, right?
Speaker 3: Exactly. It's common sense to take care of yourself, take
Speaker 3: care of your family and friends and don't be stupid, basically.
Speaker 1: Right? Nice.
Speaker 2: Don't be stupid like that. Don't exactly, don't do a Djokovic,
Speaker 2: you know, um,
Speaker 1: oh
Speaker 3: speaking of which it's happening right
Speaker 1: now. Exactly,
Speaker 2: as we're recording this, that that that that that that
Speaker 2: the trial is going on right now. So that's the
Speaker 3: end of january.
Speaker 1: That's
Speaker 2: very exciting, hey Jose, let's um you know on this
Speaker 2: podcast we love to reminisce and all that. So we've
Speaker 2: known you for a very, very long time. But before,
Speaker 2: before we get there was even one time where we
Speaker 2: were colleagues because Joseon was a radio DJ at some
Speaker 1: point, that's right
Speaker 2: in his, in his career. But before, before we talk
Speaker 2: about that, let's talk about the very beginning. And would
Speaker 2: it be correct to say that the very beginning of
Speaker 2: Joseon leong in the Singapore consciousness was under one roof.
Speaker 3: Um Yes, that was my first in the way tv
Speaker 3: um outing my first tv appearance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 19
Speaker 3: oh my God something, 1990 something
Speaker 1: I
Speaker 2: was I was in secondary school I remember and you
Speaker 2: know what
Speaker 1: secondary school
Speaker 2: watching, watching under one roof, who is this guy, you
Speaker 2: know this, this this this guy who fell in love
Speaker 2: with veneta Lopez's character and all that. Yeah, yeah. Tell us,
Speaker 2: tell us what what led you to to get into
Speaker 2: that show and and and boom from then on Jose superstar.
Speaker 1: How
Speaker 2: did that begin
Speaker 3: erupted like a very overripe pimple.
Speaker 1: I
Speaker 3: Know I was I was doing theater since 1993 when
Speaker 3: I started doing theater and then um I think the
Speaker 3: producers under one roof came to watch a play
Speaker 3: and said and thought oh that that you know that
Speaker 3: guy and that skinny ball on stage could be one
Speaker 3: of our guest stars in episode two or three I
Speaker 3: think of season one and they just contacted me and said,
Speaker 3: hey come. So I was like, okay, wow, alright, never
Speaker 3: done tv, don't know what to do, just going completely blur. Um,
Speaker 3: so that was my, my first experience and I guess,
Speaker 3: you know, the powers that be kind of liked it
Speaker 3: continued from there. But yeah, it was a great opportunity
Speaker 3: to be on tv. Yeah, so that was how it
Speaker 3: all started.
Speaker 1: That's what a story and and you know, you obviously,
Speaker 1: you've never looked back, you know, you've kept up with
Speaker 1: your place, your stage plays, stage work and, and tv
Speaker 1: work and you've even done stand up comedy, which is
Speaker 1: very hard to do believers. We've tried feeling miserably,
Speaker 2: but you tried to do
Speaker 3: it every morning.
Speaker 1: What, you know, you know, Yeah, if you're good at
Speaker 1: doing radio to stick with radio.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes. All all the tv stuff that you've done,
Speaker 2: which would you say would be your most
Speaker 2: memorable.
Speaker 3: Do you know what guys? I really enjoyed my time
Speaker 3: as a contestant in Pyramid on Pyramid
Speaker 1: game. It
Speaker 3: was, I had so much fun, you know, because I
Speaker 3: I was, I'm such a competitive guy, right? I like
Speaker 3: to win And my, my biggest opponents were with William
Speaker 3: Xavier because he also lucky,
Speaker 1: like competitive. Yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah, and pam we, so every time we compete, right,
Speaker 3: well sure poor contestants, We don't care about
Speaker 1: them. Sparks fly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was such a throwback. It was so fun
Speaker 2: to watch
Speaker 1: because
Speaker 3: it was so fun,
Speaker 2: right? Because is one of those games where you know
Speaker 2: the answer,
Speaker 2: You're just watching them struggle to get there. It's not like, like, like,
Speaker 2: like we are Singaporeans for example, you don't want the
Speaker 2: audience doesn't know the answer. You're, you're playing along pyramid
Speaker 2: game is you know, the answer. You're just watching them
Speaker 2: struggle to get that. That's that's fun. That's fun.
Speaker 3: And everyone was screaming at the tv.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh my gosh, that's our own collective goggle box,
Speaker 3: you know,
Speaker 2: And speaking of which of course, you are the longtime
Speaker 2: host of We are Singaporeans show.
Speaker 3: That's a Dream come true.
Speaker 2: So that we have appeared on many times actually
Speaker 1: sitting in. This is so fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, so, but do you enjoy doing game
Speaker 2: shows like that?
Speaker 3: Yeah. Like I said, it's a dream come true because
Speaker 3: you know, there's so many iterations of the entertainment industry, right?
Speaker 3: You can be a host, you can be a talk
Speaker 3: show host, stand up comedian, actor, singer, whatever. But hosting
Speaker 3: your own game show was, you know, it's just like
Speaker 3: when I got the job, I was like, seriously? Because
Speaker 3: when I went for the, when I went for the audition, right?
Speaker 3: I mean,
Speaker 3: you know how it is like in Singapore. You get
Speaker 3: called for an audition. You call. I won't get one line.
Speaker 3: You only have who they have in mind just to
Speaker 3: fill up the audition tape?
Speaker 2: Must must be
Speaker 3: maybe
Speaker 1: it's always I mean
Speaker 3: but I was never in my head I was never
Speaker 3: on anyone's list. So
Speaker 3: I just got the the rules, I went oh okay
Speaker 3: simple enough okay to throw the rule book aside and
Speaker 3: just went on to the camera and that's okay, that's
Speaker 3: how you play the game. And then two days later
Speaker 3: you free this, you're hosting the show and what are
Speaker 3: you
Speaker 1: serious? So
Speaker 3: yeah there was another one of those,
Speaker 3: you know you think you look back and you go
Speaker 3: wow I'm so grateful that happened because it really put
Speaker 3: you know double confirmed the phrase in our lingual.
Speaker 1: Exactly right.
Speaker 3: Double confirm everyone uses it. So it's like yeah
Speaker 2: did you trademarked the phrase by the way or does
Speaker 2: mediacorp own
Speaker 1: it
Speaker 3: there there,
Speaker 1: I've
Speaker 3: trademarked double content production. So that's my company.
Speaker 1: Nice. Beautiful. Wonderful.
Speaker 3: That's
Speaker 2: brilliant because I don't think anyone else should take credit
Speaker 2: for
Speaker 2: for for making that that phrase famous
Speaker 1: now you
Speaker 3: can share
Speaker 1: you you've done it all from stage to the T. V.
Speaker 1: To the stand up to whatever else you're hosting as well,
Speaker 1: what's next for Mr Jose leon like yeah we know
Speaker 1: you're taking a break right now but you know is
Speaker 1: there a big bang on on the way
Speaker 3: In 2019. I did
Speaker 3: Hosanna 50 when I turned 50 and huge huge stand
Speaker 3: ups extravaganza. And I did say that was going to
Speaker 3: be
Speaker 3: kind of my swan song in a sense, because um
Speaker 3: you know, it's expensive and the risk that we take
Speaker 3: as producers is too much, really, we don't know whether
Speaker 3: we'll sell um and then we've got mouths to feed
Speaker 3: people to pay. Um I was literally, I got scared
Speaker 3: because I thought, you know, and then Covid happened and
Speaker 3: so many companies had to close because how right, so at,
Speaker 3: so if you ask me what's down the road, I
Speaker 3: really don't know guys, I sometimes I wake up and
Speaker 3: anxiety because, and I'm going to be frank because as
Speaker 3: a freelancer, I really won't know what my next job is.
Speaker 3: So I try to create stuff, I try to
Speaker 3: to create stuff so that I can get work and
Speaker 3: I can give work to other people as well.
Speaker 3: Um and and that was what the past two years
Speaker 3: have been, and it was just brain draining, um grueling,
Speaker 3: I would say, group, because you guys got 99 95
Speaker 3: but you've got regular gigs to go to, but for
Speaker 3: those of us in the freelance world, it's it's it's scary.
Speaker 3: It is, so I was very grateful for the fact
Speaker 3: that we were singaporeans came back, I hosted home together.
Speaker 3: I had theater shows and had online stuff to do,
Speaker 3: but 2022 I at the moment, it's wide open, so
Speaker 3: it's
Speaker 1: literally
Speaker 3: going home to to Yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah, but but that that's that's not that's not a
Speaker 2: bad thing, take what comes and you know, as everybody
Speaker 2: recovers and and comes back, who knows what's going to
Speaker 2: happen
Speaker 1: for sure, you know, who
Speaker 3: knows what's going to happen. But you know, it's this
Speaker 3: thing called adult in which I'm still trying to come
Speaker 3: to terms
Speaker 1: with, you know, some, some people, I
Speaker 2: mean that being said, you couldn't have chosen a better
Speaker 2: year to turn 50 right? It was just before Covid
Speaker 2: you can celebrate and then boom, you know,
Speaker 1: boom, right,
Speaker 3: absolutely, absolutely, but I said I can't complain. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And forever, forever 50 because you haven't celebrated birthday in
Speaker 2: the last two years, you know,
Speaker 1: in case you don't know who's then personally I I
Speaker 1: just got to, you know, put this out there, Joseon
Speaker 1: is such a nice down to a very nurturing person
Speaker 1: that that has has has had an impact in so
Speaker 1: many people's lives including mine, me and Jose were involved
Speaker 1: in a stage play together,
Speaker 2: tell us more
Speaker 1: awhile ago, awhile ago, not not so recent quite awhile ago.
Speaker 1: And and you know, the minute I found out that
Speaker 1: that Jose san, I was I was going to act
Speaker 1: alongside Joseon right? Kind of the the initial feelings of
Speaker 1: of fear and anxiousness and all that
Speaker 1: kind of died down because I knew Jose was going
Speaker 1: to be there and I was so right to think
Speaker 1: that way, because the minute we started working together, well
Speaker 1: this guy is just the most nurturing, most helpful person
Speaker 1: in the
Speaker 2: world,
Speaker 2: so are we talking about my
Speaker 1: army days? Yeah, all those years ago, I
Speaker 3: remember vernon because you you it was really, really scared,
Speaker 1: yeah, it was my first time doing a stage play,
Speaker 1: I have no passion for it,
Speaker 1: I was just thrown into the role and and oh
Speaker 1: my God, I'm gonna die, people gonna hate me and
Speaker 1: all that, but Jose was there every step of the way,
Speaker 1: you know, just just just coming the hell out of
Speaker 1: me and you know, they're showing me the ropes and
Speaker 1: what goes on behind the stage production and I'll be
Speaker 1: forever grateful for that because, you know, it just made
Speaker 1: the whole process of it so fun, it became fun
Speaker 1: for me, so yeah, I enjoyed,
Speaker 3: I'm glad I'm glad and it's it's it's an absolute
Speaker 3: pleasure because that's what I
Speaker 3: what I want to do because when I was starting out,
Speaker 3: I was given opportunities that
Speaker 3: I thought I would never get because you know, back
Speaker 3: in the day, I mean even now it's all about
Speaker 3: how you look and you know, if you don't look
Speaker 3: like James, like you won't get
Speaker 1: any lead roles right?
Speaker 3: I mean, seriously,
Speaker 1: I mean you don't get to marry Diana, so you
Speaker 3: won't get
Speaker 1: no
Speaker 3: God um and and and frankly I was always um
Speaker 3: you know, the government sidekick, you know, on tv for
Speaker 3: a long, long time and you know what, looking back,
Speaker 3: it was, it was fine because I got a chance
Speaker 3: to
Speaker 3: keep playing the sidekick, so I would always get work,
Speaker 3: you know, so I would like to tell these young
Speaker 3: actors nowadays don't knock it, don't rubbish. The fact that
Speaker 3: you are being typecast because you will always get typecast
Speaker 3: and you always get roles, lead roles will only happen
Speaker 3: once in a blue moon, right?
Speaker 1: So
Speaker 2: well said, wow,
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: so you can be my sidekick anytime. Oh,
Speaker 3: my sidekicks are quite good, you know,
Speaker 1: my
Speaker 3: front kick,
Speaker 1: not bad.
Speaker 1: So
Speaker 2: that's that's vernon's big experience with you. My first experience
Speaker 2: with you Jose when I first met you or knew
Speaker 2: you was when you decided to do a radio stint
Speaker 2: at one point, in fact, I might not have kept
Speaker 2: track the whole time, but how long in total did
Speaker 2: you do radio?
Speaker 3: Okay, so my first for my first foray into radio
Speaker 3: is actually all channels. It was a chinese channel.
Speaker 2: Was
Speaker 1: really
Speaker 3: was I
Speaker 2: was I was there when when you joined. Exactly, yeah,
Speaker 3: you
Speaker 2: next door was the Power. Yeah, I was next to ours,
Speaker 3: so it was when it was called, that's only
Speaker 1: that's really incredible, well done.
Speaker 2: But you presented the english side because they were bilingual station. Yeah,
Speaker 2: of
Speaker 3: course, yeah, the morning show, so I that's how I started.
Speaker 3: And then there was a short break. And then um
Speaker 3: then Maggie calls me up one day I bumped into
Speaker 3: her on the street and she goes hey um I
Speaker 3: need an on air partner. I'm like I'm sorry what
Speaker 3: do you mean? Come on. So I'm like okay
Speaker 1: yeah we oh
Speaker 3: I joined her and powerful for I think wow a
Speaker 3: long time until she left. She she came to to
Speaker 3: back then was T. C. S radio. Then I took
Speaker 3: over for a while.
Speaker 2: Maggie, Maggie and Joseon that morning show that lasted a
Speaker 1: while
Speaker 3: had so much fun, I missed
Speaker 1: that. So
Speaker 2: so tell us tell us what you liked about doing
Speaker 2: radio because I think very few people associated with radio.
Speaker 2: But but because I was there when you first joined radio,
Speaker 2: I mean
Speaker 2: I will I will be honest as well for the
Speaker 2: rest of us at the station like Jose is joining us.
Speaker 2: Like what? Why would he why would he do that?
Speaker 2: But but tell us tell us what you remember most
Speaker 2: about doing
Speaker 3: radio. Okay so the biggest incident that one incident I
Speaker 3: would say that happened
Speaker 3: for me, even though I had so much fun with
Speaker 3: Maggie every morning um
Speaker 3: was the first time the MRT broke down. Do you
Speaker 3: remember that? And yeah the first time it broke down
Speaker 3: and and Maggie and I were doing the morning show
Speaker 3: and it was gold and um and
Speaker 3: everyone was texting me, I was on twitter saying, oh
Speaker 3: you know and broke down, Please don't come into the
Speaker 3: station is being jammed up etcetera, etcetera. Um, and I
Speaker 3: was calling traffic watch saying, excuse me, are we going
Speaker 3: to announce this because people are going to work at
Speaker 3: peak hour
Speaker 3: and no, no news, no news cannot say cannot say,
Speaker 3: I'm like, guys, we have to tell people that there
Speaker 3: is
Speaker 2: a breakdown.
Speaker 3: You know, we are, it's a morning show. Right? So
Speaker 3: we both
Speaker 3: look each other when killer, I will bite the bullet.
Speaker 3: I would just do it. So I said, you know
Speaker 3: what guys stop blah blah blah. And we kind of
Speaker 3: got into semi trouble because we didn't get the press release,
Speaker 1: Official word of
Speaker 3: the official, I'm like, wow,
Speaker 3: thousands of people are stuck. How much official do you want?
Speaker 3: You know? So that's what I mean. But you know
Speaker 3: sometimes we have to be responsible, you know,
Speaker 2: and I'm so scared
Speaker 3: of this scale of that
Speaker 2: also, it's the beauty of radio. Right? It's about being immediate.
Speaker 2: Something happens now we talk about it right now.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. But do we need to wait for a press release?
Speaker 3: I don't know, you
Speaker 1: know, maybe
Speaker 3: now things have changed,
Speaker 1: you know, when the press release comes out. Okay,
Speaker 3: Thanks.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So those, those were, those were incredible years. Actually,
Speaker 2: now that you mention, I forgot you started, which is
Speaker 2: actually quite incredible thing about
Speaker 3: papa san then go then
Speaker 3: then lush. Then I went to lush.
Speaker 1: Too lush. I
Speaker 3: was lush with angel. Mm mm mm mm mm mm
Speaker 3: mm mm. And then and then I got my own
Speaker 3: show in the afternoon when we moved to O. C.
Speaker 1: Yeah central. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. With chris Benjamin King. Benjamin King was our intern.
Speaker 1: Okay. I know right. It's scary and interns you know
Speaker 1: all of a sudden become more famous than we do. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Our interns get married.
Speaker 1: You're
Speaker 2: part of the orchard central era.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: And then after that after that I got moved to gold.
Speaker 2: You did spend quite a bit of time. So let
Speaker 2: me ask you this, you know now you're as you
Speaker 2: said you you turned 50 already you know you're looking
Speaker 2: at you you're thinking what else to do if if
Speaker 2: the the radio door opens we'll hose and they don't
Speaker 2: come back to radio one day.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean I'm not, I'm not going to say
Speaker 3: no I'm never say never because like I said the
Speaker 3: entertainment industry is so varied and we in Singapore are
Speaker 3: actually very fortunate to be one of the very few
Speaker 3: countries where the industry allows you to cross pollinate. Well
Speaker 3: big word sorry. But
Speaker 1: because
Speaker 3: some, some countries don't, if you are a tv and
Speaker 3: tv and even then tv sitcom. You don't do tv
Speaker 3: drama if you and it's very hard across in the
Speaker 3: film or theater. You know and then here in Singapore,
Speaker 3: I've had the chance to do so many things, you know,
Speaker 3: all the way to directing or, and so when you
Speaker 3: say yes, asked me whether I do radio again,
Speaker 3: if the opportunity is good. Yes, I would because I
Speaker 3: really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: You know what we look forward to that. Hopefully, you know,
Speaker 1: it happens in the new future. That would be fantastic.
Speaker 2: Your ex partner Maggie, you know, she's our boss now. Right.
Speaker 2: So I
Speaker 3: know and that's scary.
Speaker 1: I Maggie,
Speaker 3: you're hearing this. I love
Speaker 1: you.
Speaker 3: I tell you what, why don't we do a bilingual
Speaker 3: station like
Speaker 1: that? You speak
Speaker 3: chinese Maggie speaks mandarin.
Speaker 1: Oh, I would pay
Speaker 2: money
Speaker 2: to hear that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be amazing.
Speaker 1: People pay money for it to stop you.
Speaker 2: You briefly mentioned it just now, but let's touch a
Speaker 2: little bit about on Covid. So during the last year
Speaker 2: and a half before you went to Australia, like how
Speaker 2: did I mean you are best known for being on stage,
Speaker 2: but all the stages were dark. There was no stage for,
Speaker 2: for a good part of two years. So what, what
Speaker 2: mostly did you do to pass the time and even
Speaker 2: earn a living?
Speaker 3: It was, I was very, very fortunate because the moment
Speaker 3: Covid hit. I was, you know, I mean I was
Speaker 3: scared because all our friends, my friends were like, you know,
Speaker 3: no job cancelations, but
Speaker 3: within a month of Covid hitting us in april 2020
Speaker 3: I got a call from media cops saying, hey, we
Speaker 3: need a
Speaker 3: talk show host. I'm like, what, sorry again, We're locked down. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: We're doing a home called Home Together.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we
Speaker 3: need, yeah, It's a daytime talk show and we need
Speaker 3: someone to interview our politicians, our and have a cooking segment, blah, blah,
Speaker 3: blah and thinks that basically entertain people who are stuck
Speaker 3: at home. Um,
Speaker 3: and so it was very bizarre and surreal because everyone
Speaker 3: was locked down. I was going to work regularly to
Speaker 3: a studio filming,
Speaker 3: having a great time because it's also my cup of
Speaker 3: tea talking to people getting information and chatting and finding
Speaker 3: the human side of politicians. You know, it was, it
Speaker 3: was really, really fun.
Speaker 3: And thereafter I started doing online stuff. I went virtual
Speaker 3: and I started creating, I created this show called The
Speaker 3: curious case of the Missing Product and treasure based in
Speaker 3: the raffles hotel, which is a whodunit. And um, and
Speaker 3: it was like, who choose your own adventure. So it
Speaker 3: was technology meets heritage meets art meets. So it was,
Speaker 3: and that went online so cool. Um,
Speaker 3: yeah. And and having said that between lockdowns, um,
Speaker 3: there was theater and I was lucky enough to be
Speaker 3: in those productions that were allowed, there was allowed to
Speaker 3: go on stage and then after I finished one, the
Speaker 2: gods are smiling upon you. So that, you
Speaker 3: know, so I said, I really cannot complain and I'm very,
Speaker 3: very grateful for the opportunities given. So that's why I said,
Speaker 3: even when I'm going back in february, I I'm scared.
Speaker 3: But I said you know what? And most I'll be
Speaker 3: a checkout checkout cold
Speaker 1: storage. You know, it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: what what works works.
Speaker 3: No shame, nothing to be scared of do and earn
Speaker 3: your money,
Speaker 3: you know,
Speaker 2: wonderful. What a
Speaker 1: great outlook on life. That that that really is inspiring.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. If only everybody was as positive as you. But
Speaker 2: hey look, I just want to say we're a little
Speaker 2: bit jealous. We're on a little zoom call right now
Speaker 2: I can see you in like
Speaker 2: Australia
Speaker 3: in the outback is old countryside.
Speaker 2: Beautiful enjoy the rest of your trip. You know, remember
Speaker 2: to come home and don't
Speaker 1: steal any koala
Speaker 2: one more thing before we let you go and enjoy
Speaker 2: of course the rest of your beautiful day in Australia.
Speaker 2: We love to turn the tables on every martin savage
Speaker 2: podcast where we've been asking you questions for half an
Speaker 2: hour now it's your turn to ask the mutton something.
Speaker 2: So if you've ever wanted to ask
Speaker 3: us anything, okay,
Speaker 2: here you go, it's on record, you can ask one person,
Speaker 2: you can ask both. It's up to you and we
Speaker 2: have to
Speaker 3: okay, so if I were to ask you both um
Speaker 3: if you were not doing what you do right, you know,
Speaker 3: would you what what other
Speaker 3: career path would you have
Speaker 1: used car salesman? Really? I'll be selling cars. Used car
Speaker 2: salesmen. But you know, people have asked this this over
Speaker 2: the years and I think as the years go by,
Speaker 2: the answer changes.
Speaker 1: Sure. You
Speaker 2: know, like at one point I would have said, I
Speaker 2: want to be a teacher.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But but after a while I realized what are very
Speaker 1: difficult. So
Speaker 2: if you ask me right now, I would say that
Speaker 2: most likely I'll be doing what we're doing on the
Speaker 2: side already and that's selling food.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's right. You guys have this side thing going on,
Speaker 2: right? Yeah. We currently run a fancy restaurant on the side.
Speaker 3: Exactly, because I love it.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you. Thank
Speaker 2: you, thank you like a
Speaker 3: couple of times and oh my gosh, the trust you
Speaker 3: and the property cannot be like, oh my gosh, I
Speaker 3: love it.
Speaker 2: I missed the moment,
Speaker 3: your
Speaker 2: moment, your home first meal's on us
Speaker 1: and let us know when you're back. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: don't
Speaker 3: worry, I will go on. But oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: I found it very interesting. I think it's something that
Speaker 2: I could do on the side. I could do as
Speaker 2: a full time thing if if we don't do radio,
Speaker 3: but okay, sorry, this is the second question would you
Speaker 3: ask because you guys are now like, you know, your parents, right.
Speaker 1: Well,
Speaker 3: yeah, what is it? I mean like the future for
Speaker 3: our kids scary, right?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, you're you're you're you're you're so on the
Speaker 1: dot by saying that, but you know, I always feel
Speaker 1: that it was scary all those years ago when our
Speaker 1: parents gave birth to us,
Speaker 1: it must have been scary for them as well because
Speaker 1: you know, times are forever changing, so it was scary
Speaker 1: for them back then. It's scary for us now and
Speaker 1: I I I like to, you know, just close my
Speaker 1: eyes and you you settle your own future, I'll give
Speaker 1: you the means now and then I'll provide you with
Speaker 1: an education, I'll try to advise you as best as
Speaker 1: I possibly can
Speaker 1: by whatever happened to you in the future, that's your problem,
Speaker 3: you know, because I asked because I've got my little nephew, right,
Speaker 3: so I'm like, wow, how right I am going to
Speaker 3: have to we all want to make sure that he's
Speaker 3: going to be okay, you
Speaker 1: know? Yeah, and you know, the minute you you you
Speaker 1: realize that there's nothing you can do to make it
Speaker 1: okay for him the better because you know, then then
Speaker 1: you won't be anxious anymore and just go with the flow,
Speaker 1: let life happen and and just be there for for
Speaker 1: for your child or for your nephew to when they
Speaker 1: need you, you know
Speaker 2: what I hear most common from vernon
Speaker 2: Jose?
Speaker 1: No, that's not, not that
Speaker 2: that aside, I always hear him saying like, oh you
Speaker 2: only three years old, you cannot work and make
Speaker 1: money, you're next year
Speaker 2: When your sentence for the same thing, like my three
Speaker 1: kids are bleeding
Speaker 2: me dry, I'll
Speaker 1: Be 70 before I can retire.
Speaker 1: Well, it was my fault, right?
Speaker 2: Yeah,
Speaker 3: I see. Well yeah, I guess that's that's the thing, right?
Speaker 3: Because we as we get older and we got we
Speaker 3: have responsibilities to the next generation and even though I
Speaker 3: don't have kids, I still feel the, you know, the
Speaker 3: need to to be responsible. And yeah, so I just
Speaker 3: wanted to have some, you know, you know, advice from
Speaker 3: the older people.
Speaker 2: It's just
Speaker 1: you see what I mean about this guy, he's so
Speaker 1: nurturing and he takes care of other people and it's
Speaker 1: just an amazing person
Speaker 2: like me, no kids. I just make fun of
Speaker 1: your your your your you know, fossil fuel consuming
Speaker 1: monster. So yeah,
Speaker 2: actually,
Speaker 3: j how was your, how was your holiday? You went
Speaker 3: to the States, right?
Speaker 2: I went to I went to the States. It was
Speaker 2: it was a great, it was a really nice holiday.
Speaker 2: Like you said, like, you know, just to be able
Speaker 2: to breathe fresh and like, really, what is it like
Speaker 2: when people don't care about covid it's just it's such
Speaker 2: an eye opening experience. So,
Speaker 2: so that was
Speaker 3: it was it was okay. I mean, you know, you
Speaker 3: felt you realized that
Speaker 3: a lot of the fear and paranoia is, I mean
Speaker 3: is there? But
Speaker 2: yeah, it's very self fulfilling to a certain extent. And,
Speaker 2: and like you were saying just now, you know, my
Speaker 2: advice to people who can, like if you're very, very
Speaker 2: young kids that maybe not, but for those who can
Speaker 2: just go, you know, the seven test you think is
Speaker 2: really worth it,
Speaker 3: right? And ross is now in abu Dhabi, you
Speaker 1: know? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: I'm like, girl,
Speaker 3: you just came home,
Speaker 1: but she loves going to the weirdest places like,
Speaker 2: hey Jose, like we said, enjoy the rest of your trip,
Speaker 2: thank you for taking the time to say hi to
Speaker 2: the family for us, come back to Singapore, let us know.
Speaker 2: Like we said, the 1st 1st chance you meals on us,
Speaker 3: All right, said thanks guys, take care, see you soon.