WEBVTT - S2 Episode 8: Hossan Leong 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:01.280 Ah 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:10.770 All right, welcome back to the mutton sandwich podcast after 0:00:10.770 --> 0:00:11.870 a cheeky little 0:00:11.869 --> 0:00:13.100 break. Oh yeah, 0:00:13.110 --> 0:00:16.720 We're back with our first guest of 2022 and I 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:19.790 think of of the, you know, almost two years we've 0:00:19.790 --> 0:00:22.400 been doing the podcast now button. This will be our 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:25.820 first guest who is currently overseas as we speak to. 0:00:25.820 --> 0:00:27.100 That's right. We're talking about Mr 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:30.210 mr Hello. 0:00:30.220 --> 0:00:32.820 So nice to catch up with you. It's been a 0:00:32.820 --> 0:00:34.150 while my friend and 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:35.010 it has been, 0:00:35.020 --> 0:00:38.420 yeah. And you're our first guest that we're actually talking to, 0:00:38.420 --> 0:00:39.020 who's who's 0:00:39.030 --> 0:00:42.750 overseas now. Tell us about why you you tell Singapore, 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:44.830 it's called Mental Health Break. 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:46.550 I 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:50.430 mean, seriously guys, over two years, we've been stuck in Singapore, right? 0:00:50.430 --> 0:00:54.000 And then, you know, I mean for all the wonderful 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:58.130 things that our country has done, it's a pressure cooker 0:00:58.130 --> 0:01:00.830 environment that you know, if you always tell people if 0:01:00.830 --> 0:01:04.460 you have a chance and opportunity to go, just do 0:01:04.459 --> 0:01:07.300 all the tests and protect yourself and just get out 0:01:07.300 --> 0:01:10.160 of the country once, you know, just just go, I mean, 0:01:10.170 --> 0:01:11.150 it's it's okay 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:13.709 to to say, you know, and I'm not being unpatriotic 0:01:13.709 --> 0:01:17.110 but just go, you know, see the world breathe fresh air. 0:01:19.140 --> 0:01:21.789 It is, it is because then you realize a lot 0:01:21.790 --> 0:01:26.360 of fear and internalized paranoia in this country is is 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:27.380 quite real. And 0:01:27.390 --> 0:01:30.490 it is actually I went to the US recently and 0:01:30.490 --> 0:01:32.800 like nobody even cares about Covid anymore, you know? So 0:01:32.810 --> 0:01:36.110 everywhere is just slightly different. Right? Tell us where you are. 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:36.950 I mean, Yeah, 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:40.369 I mean, I mean I'm in Australia. I'm in Sydney actually. What? 0:01:40.380 --> 0:01:43.240 Well I went to Sydney um I left in november 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.869 actually to just maximize my 0:01:45.870 --> 0:01:48.670 visa. Just 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:51.660 do it three months, take a break. You know I'm 0:01:51.660 --> 0:01:53.900 up north and port stephens beautiful. It's 0:01:54.130 --> 0:01:55.200 blue sky, blue 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:59.260 water. Yeah and just just just relaxing a little bit 0:01:59.260 --> 0:02:01.940 and just really like I said a mental health break 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:03.260 regrouping 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:05.780 um wondering if I come back whether still got work 0:02:05.780 --> 0:02:07.020 for me but that kind of thing like you 0:02:07.020 --> 0:02:09.810 know, I was just gonna ask how are we ever 0:02:09.810 --> 0:02:12.390 going to see you back? Will you decide oh that's it. 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:14.690 You know, I'm staying here and never coming back. 0:02:14.700 --> 0:02:17.130 Yeah I'll be a checkout chick work in a supermarket here. Right? 0:02:17.130 --> 0:02:17.950 No I will 0:02:17.950 --> 0:02:20.210 come back 0:02:20.220 --> 0:02:22.060 next time I go to a Woodward. So like 0:02:24.150 --> 0:02:24.210 you 0:02:24.220 --> 0:02:25.480 know funny 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:26.579 enough I loved it. Yeah 0:02:26.590 --> 0:02:28.800 funny enough it was november. I think I ran into 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:30.150 you at great World remember. 0:02:30.540 --> 0:02:34.010 Right? Yeah. Hey what's up? And then like two days 0:02:34.010 --> 0:02:37.109 later I saw your instagram like by a 0:02:38.750 --> 0:02:40.389 must have been at the moment, 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:43.050 the moment the borders opened, 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:43.720 I bought my 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:46.810 ticket. Yeah well because 0:02:46.810 --> 0:02:49.300 Singapore is the only country that I think Australia is 0:02:49.300 --> 0:02:53.390 letting in now pilot touristic so and it's fine. It's 0:02:53.389 --> 0:02:55.360 really really fun to come here and just 0:02:55.540 --> 0:02:58.100 you know. Yes you have to be careful you know? 0:02:58.100 --> 0:03:02.060 But on the streets, masks are off. But it's just 0:03:02.070 --> 0:03:04.870 yeah just the space, it's lovely to be, you know, 0:03:04.870 --> 0:03:05.490 somewhere else. Hang 0:03:05.490 --> 0:03:08.320 on, hang on. But isn't Australia, you know, infamous for 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:10.649 for their lockdowns, like, you know, one case and boom, 0:03:10.650 --> 0:03:13.380 they shut the borders and everything. So has that been 0:03:13.380 --> 0:03:14.160 in china? 0:03:14.340 --> 0:03:15.300 Well, 0:03:15.350 --> 0:03:18.660 I'm sorry, but we've read the same thing's happening in 0:03:18.660 --> 0:03:21.930 Australia as well. What's been happening over there and 0:03:21.940 --> 0:03:25.910 so on the ground, um the new Premier Dominique, Perrault 0:03:26.010 --> 0:03:29.710 has said no more lockdowns. We have to live with 0:03:29.710 --> 0:03:33.680 the virus. So, um, so, I mean, they have gone 0:03:33.680 --> 0:03:36.560 from from no pcr test anymore. 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:38.990 Just a normal A. R. T test. If it's positive 0:03:38.990 --> 0:03:41.270 media case, you don't have to confirm with the pr 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:45.160 PcR to now if you are positive, just their own 0:03:45.160 --> 0:03:46.230 friends and family, 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:48.030 right? Kind of like 0:03:48.250 --> 0:03:49.290 myself, kind 0:03:49.290 --> 0:03:52.050 of like Singapore, right? Yeah. I mean, because now, even 0:03:52.050 --> 0:03:54.310 if you test positive for the H. R. T. If 0:03:54.310 --> 0:03:55.870 you're asymptomatic, just just stay home, 0:03:56.130 --> 0:03:58.160 stay home. Don't just like when you have the common 0:03:58.160 --> 0:03:59.710 flu like to stay home, you don't go out when 0:03:59.710 --> 0:04:00.290 you're sick, right? 0:04:00.290 --> 0:04:03.300 Exactly. It's common sense to take care of yourself, take 0:04:03.300 --> 0:04:06.210 care of your family and friends and don't be stupid, basically. 0:04:06.220 --> 0:04:07.170 Right? Nice. 0:04:07.180 --> 0:04:10.510 Don't be stupid like that. Don't exactly, don't do a Djokovic, 0:04:10.510 --> 0:04:11.490 you know, um, 0:04:12.060 --> 0:04:12.900 oh 0:04:12.910 --> 0:04:14.360 speaking of which it's happening right 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:15.670 now. Exactly, 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:18.200 as we're recording this, that that that that that that 0:04:18.210 --> 0:04:20.450 the trial is going on right now. So that's the 0:04:20.450 --> 0:04:22.370 end of january. 0:04:22.380 --> 0:04:23.380 That's 0:04:23.380 --> 0:04:27.349 very exciting, hey Jose, let's um you know on this 0:04:27.350 --> 0:04:29.779 podcast we love to reminisce and all that. So we've 0:04:29.779 --> 0:04:32.300 known you for a very, very long time. But before, 0:04:32.300 --> 0:04:34.000 before we get there was even one time where we 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:37.060 were colleagues because Joseon was a radio DJ at some 0:04:37.060 --> 0:04:37.890 point, that's right 0:04:37.930 --> 0:04:40.570 in his, in his career. But before, before we talk 0:04:40.570 --> 0:04:44.060 about that, let's talk about the very beginning. And would 0:04:44.060 --> 0:04:47.170 it be correct to say that the very beginning of 0:04:47.170 --> 0:04:51.030 Joseon leong in the Singapore consciousness was under one roof. 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:55.490 Um Yes, that was my first in the way tv 0:04:55.500 --> 0:04:59.560 um outing my first tv appearance. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 19 0:04:59.570 --> 0:05:01.570 oh my God something, 1990 something 0:05:01.580 --> 0:05:02.539 I 0:05:02.550 --> 0:05:04.870 was I was in secondary school I remember and you 0:05:04.870 --> 0:05:05.560 know what 0:05:07.100 --> 0:05:07.900 secondary school 0:05:08.300 --> 0:05:11.710 watching, watching under one roof, who is this guy, you 0:05:11.710 --> 0:05:15.180 know this, this this this guy who fell in love 0:05:15.180 --> 0:05:19.460 with veneta Lopez's character and all that. Yeah, yeah. Tell us, 0:05:19.470 --> 0:05:22.089 tell us what what led you to to get into 0:05:22.089 --> 0:05:26.680 that show and and and boom from then on Jose superstar. 0:05:26.870 --> 0:05:27.610 How 0:05:27.610 --> 0:05:28.390 did that begin 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.680 erupted like a very overripe pimple. 0:05:31.770 --> 0:05:33.810 I 0:05:33.820 --> 0:05:37.179 Know I was I was doing theater since 1993 when 0:05:37.180 --> 0:05:40.440 I started doing theater and then um I think the 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:43.060 producers under one roof came to watch a play 0:05:43.339 --> 0:05:46.570 and said and thought oh that that you know that 0:05:46.570 --> 0:05:50.140 guy and that skinny ball on stage could be one 0:05:50.140 --> 0:05:52.920 of our guest stars in episode two or three I 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:56.110 think of season one and they just contacted me and said, 0:05:56.110 --> 0:05:58.710 hey come. So I was like, okay, wow, alright, never 0:05:58.710 --> 0:06:02.870 done tv, don't know what to do, just going completely blur. Um, 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:06.760 so that was my, my first experience and I guess, 0:06:06.940 --> 0:06:09.600 you know, the powers that be kind of liked it 0:06:09.610 --> 0:06:13.310 continued from there. But yeah, it was a great opportunity 0:06:13.350 --> 0:06:15.830 to be on tv. Yeah, so that was how it 0:06:15.830 --> 0:06:16.360 all started. 0:06:16.990 --> 0:06:19.640 That's what a story and and you know, you obviously, 0:06:19.650 --> 0:06:21.930 you've never looked back, you know, you've kept up with 0:06:21.930 --> 0:06:26.099 your place, your stage plays, stage work and, and tv 0:06:26.100 --> 0:06:29.440 work and you've even done stand up comedy, which is 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:33.870 very hard to do believers. We've tried feeling miserably, 0:06:33.870 --> 0:06:35.440 but you tried to do 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:36.460 it every morning. 0:06:36.460 --> 0:06:39.800 What, you know, you know, Yeah, if you're good at 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:41.420 doing radio to stick with radio. 0:06:41.430 --> 0:06:45.980 Yes, yes. All all the tv stuff that you've done, 0:06:45.980 --> 0:06:48.360 which would you say would be your most 0:06:48.540 --> 0:06:49.650 memorable. 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:52.920 Do you know what guys? I really enjoyed my time 0:06:52.930 --> 0:06:56.060 as a contestant in Pyramid on Pyramid 0:06:56.060 --> 0:06:56.909 game. It 0:06:56.910 --> 0:07:01.860 was, I had so much fun, you know, because I 0:07:02.339 --> 0:07:05.320 I was, I'm such a competitive guy, right? I like 0:07:05.330 --> 0:07:10.510 to win And my, my biggest opponents were with William 0:07:10.510 --> 0:07:13.250 Xavier because he also lucky, 0:07:13.260 --> 0:07:14.940 like competitive. Yeah, 0:07:14.950 --> 0:07:19.190 yeah, and pam we, so every time we compete, right, 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:22.580 well sure poor contestants, We don't care about 0:07:22.580 --> 0:07:23.910 them. Sparks fly. 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:27.310 Yeah, that was such a throwback. It was so fun 0:07:27.310 --> 0:07:27.940 to watch 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:28.640 because 0:07:28.650 --> 0:07:29.630 it was so fun, 0:07:29.630 --> 0:07:33.160 right? Because is one of those games where you know 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:33.860 the answer, 0:07:34.340 --> 0:07:37.679 You're just watching them struggle to get there. It's not like, like, like, 0:07:37.690 --> 0:07:40.150 like we are Singaporeans for example, you don't want the 0:07:40.150 --> 0:07:43.050 audience doesn't know the answer. You're, you're playing along pyramid 0:07:43.050 --> 0:07:45.200 game is you know, the answer. You're just watching them 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:48.050 struggle to get that. That's that's fun. That's fun. 0:07:48.060 --> 0:07:49.860 And everyone was screaming at the tv. 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:50.960 Exactly. 0:07:51.260 --> 0:07:55.210 It's like, oh my gosh, that's our own collective goggle box, 0:07:55.210 --> 0:07:55.440 you know, 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.690 And speaking of which of course, you are the longtime 0:07:59.690 --> 0:08:02.450 host of We are Singaporeans show. 0:08:02.450 --> 0:08:03.429 That's a Dream come true. 0:08:03.480 --> 0:08:05.630 So that we have appeared on many times actually 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:07.100 sitting in. This is so fun. 0:08:07.110 --> 0:08:09.990 Yeah. You know, so, but do you enjoy doing game 0:08:09.990 --> 0:08:10.660 shows like that? 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:13.140 Yeah. Like I said, it's a dream come true because 0:08:13.140 --> 0:08:17.620 you know, there's so many iterations of the entertainment industry, right? 0:08:17.620 --> 0:08:19.500 You can be a host, you can be a talk 0:08:19.500 --> 0:08:23.980 show host, stand up comedian, actor, singer, whatever. But hosting 0:08:23.980 --> 0:08:27.250 your own game show was, you know, it's just like 0:08:27.260 --> 0:08:29.700 when I got the job, I was like, seriously? Because 0:08:29.700 --> 0:08:31.880 when I went for the, when I went for the audition, right? 0:08:31.890 --> 0:08:32.250 I mean, 0:08:32.340 --> 0:08:34.390 you know how it is like in Singapore. You get 0:08:34.390 --> 0:08:37.059 called for an audition. You call. I won't get one line. 0:08:37.070 --> 0:08:38.920 You only have who they have in mind just to 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:40.130 fill up the audition tape? 0:08:42.170 --> 0:08:43.570 Must must be 0:08:44.670 --> 0:08:45.479 maybe 0:08:45.490 --> 0:08:47.010 it's always I mean 0:08:47.020 --> 0:08:50.830 but I was never in my head I was never 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:52.260 on anyone's list. So 0:08:52.340 --> 0:08:55.060 I just got the the rules, I went oh okay 0:08:55.220 --> 0:08:57.620 simple enough okay to throw the rule book aside and 0:08:57.620 --> 0:08:59.429 just went on to the camera and that's okay, that's 0:08:59.429 --> 0:09:03.640 how you play the game. And then two days later 0:09:03.650 --> 0:09:06.810 you free this, you're hosting the show and what are 0:09:06.809 --> 0:09:06.929 you 0:09:06.929 --> 0:09:08.489 serious? So 0:09:08.500 --> 0:09:10.959 yeah there was another one of those, 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:13.189 you know you think you look back and you go 0:09:13.190 --> 0:09:17.689 wow I'm so grateful that happened because it really put 0:09:17.700 --> 0:09:20.840 you know double confirmed the phrase in our lingual. 0:09:20.850 --> 0:09:22.940 Exactly right. 0:09:22.950 --> 0:09:26.559 Double confirm everyone uses it. So it's like yeah 0:09:26.570 --> 0:09:28.960 did you trademarked the phrase by the way or does 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:29.599 mediacorp own 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.250 it 0:09:32.440 --> 0:09:33.340 there there, 0:09:33.350 --> 0:09:35.670 I've 0:09:35.670 --> 0:09:38.950 trademarked double content production. So that's my company. 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:40.760 Nice. Beautiful. Wonderful. 0:09:40.770 --> 0:09:42.329 That's 0:09:42.330 --> 0:09:44.260 brilliant because I don't think anyone else should take credit 0:09:44.260 --> 0:09:44.650 for 0:09:44.740 --> 0:09:47.080 for for making that that phrase famous 0:09:47.110 --> 0:09:48.310 now you 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:49.210 can share 0:09:49.220 --> 0:09:53.110 you you've done it all from stage to the T. V. 0:09:53.110 --> 0:09:56.650 To the stand up to whatever else you're hosting as well, 0:09:56.840 --> 0:10:00.809 what's next for Mr Jose leon like yeah we know 0:10:00.809 --> 0:10:03.260 you're taking a break right now but you know is 0:10:03.260 --> 0:10:05.400 there a big bang on on the way 0:10:05.410 --> 0:10:06.860 In 2019. I did 0:10:06.940 --> 0:10:10.959 Hosanna 50 when I turned 50 and huge huge stand 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:14.310 ups extravaganza. And I did say that was going to 0:10:14.309 --> 0:10:14.760 be 0:10:15.140 --> 0:10:18.350 kind of my swan song in a sense, because um 0:10:18.740 --> 0:10:22.439 you know, it's expensive and the risk that we take 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.660 as producers is too much, really, we don't know whether 0:10:25.660 --> 0:10:28.750 we'll sell um and then we've got mouths to feed 0:10:28.750 --> 0:10:32.370 people to pay. Um I was literally, I got scared 0:10:32.370 --> 0:10:34.560 because I thought, you know, and then Covid happened and 0:10:34.570 --> 0:10:39.160 so many companies had to close because how right, so at, 0:10:39.340 --> 0:10:40.979 so if you ask me what's down the road, I 0:10:40.980 --> 0:10:44.370 really don't know guys, I sometimes I wake up and 0:10:44.380 --> 0:10:47.290 anxiety because, and I'm going to be frank because as 0:10:47.290 --> 0:10:50.350 a freelancer, I really won't know what my next job is. 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:55.060 So I try to create stuff, I try to 0:10:55.340 --> 0:10:57.939 to create stuff so that I can get work and 0:10:57.940 --> 0:11:00.050 I can give work to other people as well. 0:11:00.140 --> 0:11:03.430 Um and and that was what the past two years 0:11:03.429 --> 0:11:08.170 have been, and it was just brain draining, um grueling, 0:11:08.179 --> 0:11:10.670 I would say, group, because you guys got 99 95 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:13.210 but you've got regular gigs to go to, but for 0:11:13.210 --> 0:11:17.069 those of us in the freelance world, it's it's it's scary. 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:19.940 It is, so I was very grateful for the fact 0:11:19.940 --> 0:11:23.710 that we were singaporeans came back, I hosted home together. 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:27.030 I had theater shows and had online stuff to do, 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:31.359 but 2022 I at the moment, it's wide open, so 0:11:31.370 --> 0:11:31.610 it's 0:11:31.670 --> 0:11:33.199 literally 0:11:33.210 --> 0:11:35.610 going home to to Yeah, 0:11:35.620 --> 0:11:37.429 yeah, but but that that's that's not that's not a 0:11:37.429 --> 0:11:40.219 bad thing, take what comes and you know, as everybody 0:11:40.220 --> 0:11:43.209 recovers and and comes back, who knows what's going to 0:11:43.210 --> 0:11:43.550 happen 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:44.719 for sure, you know, who 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:46.370 knows what's going to happen. But you know, it's this 0:11:46.370 --> 0:11:48.250 thing called adult in which I'm still trying to come 0:11:48.250 --> 0:11:48.610 to terms 0:11:48.610 --> 0:11:51.719 with, you know, some, some people, I 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:53.980 mean that being said, you couldn't have chosen a better 0:11:53.980 --> 0:11:56.560 year to turn 50 right? It was just before Covid 0:11:56.570 --> 0:11:59.719 you can celebrate and then boom, you know, 0:11:59.730 --> 0:12:00.500 boom, right, 0:12:00.510 --> 0:12:03.880 absolutely, absolutely, but I said I can't complain. Yeah, 0:12:03.890 --> 0:12:06.359 And forever, forever 50 because you haven't celebrated birthday in 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:08.130 the last two years, you know, 0:12:08.140 --> 0:12:11.610 in case you don't know who's then personally I I 0:12:11.610 --> 0:12:14.059 just got to, you know, put this out there, Joseon 0:12:14.059 --> 0:12:18.260 is such a nice down to a very nurturing person 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.949 that that has has has had an impact in so 0:12:21.950 --> 0:12:25.420 many people's lives including mine, me and Jose were involved 0:12:25.420 --> 0:12:26.559 in a stage play together, 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:27.690 tell us more 0:12:27.700 --> 0:12:31.710 awhile ago, awhile ago, not not so recent quite awhile ago. 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:34.290 And and you know, the minute I found out that 0:12:34.290 --> 0:12:36.160 that Jose san, I was I was going to act 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:40.969 alongside Joseon right? Kind of the the initial feelings of 0:12:40.980 --> 0:12:43.960 of fear and anxiousness and all that 0:12:44.140 --> 0:12:45.660 kind of died down because I knew Jose was going 0:12:45.660 --> 0:12:47.939 to be there and I was so right to think 0:12:47.940 --> 0:12:50.870 that way, because the minute we started working together, well 0:12:50.870 --> 0:12:54.459 this guy is just the most nurturing, most helpful person 0:12:54.460 --> 0:12:54.640 in the 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:55.059 world, 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:56.110 so are we talking about my 0:12:56.270 --> 0:12:59.580 army days? Yeah, all those years ago, I 0:12:59.590 --> 0:13:03.760 remember vernon because you you it was really, really scared, 0:13:03.770 --> 0:13:06.939 yeah, it was my first time doing a stage play, 0:13:06.950 --> 0:13:09.360 I have no passion for it, 0:13:09.540 --> 0:13:12.870 I was just thrown into the role and and oh 0:13:12.870 --> 0:13:15.589 my God, I'm gonna die, people gonna hate me and 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:17.730 all that, but Jose was there every step of the way, 0:13:17.730 --> 0:13:20.470 you know, just just just coming the hell out of 0:13:20.470 --> 0:13:22.710 me and you know, they're showing me the ropes and 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:25.720 what goes on behind the stage production and I'll be 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:28.260 forever grateful for that because, you know, it just made 0:13:28.270 --> 0:13:31.550 the whole process of it so fun, it became fun 0:13:31.550 --> 0:13:33.360 for me, so yeah, I enjoyed, 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:35.920 I'm glad I'm glad and it's it's it's an absolute 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:37.350 pleasure because that's what I 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:39.959 what I want to do because when I was starting out, 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:41.850 I was given opportunities that 0:13:41.940 --> 0:13:45.030 I thought I would never get because you know, back 0:13:45.030 --> 0:13:47.079 in the day, I mean even now it's all about 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.450 how you look and you know, if you don't look 0:13:49.450 --> 0:13:51.449 like James, like you won't get 0:13:51.450 --> 0:13:52.530 any lead roles right? 0:13:52.540 --> 0:13:53.900 I mean, seriously, 0:13:54.170 --> 0:13:58.500 I mean you don't get to marry Diana, so you 0:13:58.510 --> 0:13:59.070 won't get 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:00.780 no 0:14:00.790 --> 0:14:06.329 God um and and and frankly I was always um 0:14:06.340 --> 0:14:10.410 you know, the government sidekick, you know, on tv for 0:14:10.410 --> 0:14:12.890 a long, long time and you know what, looking back, 0:14:12.900 --> 0:14:15.220 it was, it was fine because I got a chance 0:14:15.220 --> 0:14:15.450 to 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:18.950 keep playing the sidekick, so I would always get work, 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:21.200 you know, so I would like to tell these young 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:24.690 actors nowadays don't knock it, don't rubbish. The fact that 0:14:24.690 --> 0:14:27.750 you are being typecast because you will always get typecast 0:14:27.750 --> 0:14:30.640 and you always get roles, lead roles will only happen 0:14:30.650 --> 0:14:32.040 once in a blue moon, right? 0:14:32.050 --> 0:14:33.060 So 0:14:33.070 --> 0:14:34.130 well said, wow, 0:14:34.140 --> 0:14:35.240 Yeah, exactly, 0:14:35.250 --> 0:14:38.720 so you can be my sidekick anytime. Oh, 0:14:38.730 --> 0:14:41.990 my sidekicks are quite good, you know, 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:42.800 my 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:43.560 front kick, 0:14:44.190 --> 0:14:45.450 not bad. 0:14:45.540 --> 0:14:48.230 So 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:53.119 that's that's vernon's big experience with you. My first experience 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:55.900 with you Jose when I first met you or knew 0:14:55.900 --> 0:14:59.430 you was when you decided to do a radio stint 0:14:59.430 --> 0:15:02.950 at one point, in fact, I might not have kept 0:15:02.950 --> 0:15:05.960 track the whole time, but how long in total did 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:06.560 you do radio? 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:10.810 Okay, so my first for my first foray into radio 0:15:10.810 --> 0:15:14.600 is actually all channels. It was a chinese channel. 0:15:14.610 --> 0:15:14.970 Was 0:15:15.910 --> 0:15:16.580 really 0:15:16.580 --> 0:15:17.750 was I 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:22.760 was I was there when when you joined. Exactly, yeah, 0:15:22.770 --> 0:15:23.640 you 0:15:24.570 --> 0:15:27.210 next door was the Power. Yeah, I was next to ours, 0:15:27.230 --> 0:15:33.290 so it was when it was called, that's only 0:15:33.300 --> 0:15:37.180 that's really incredible, well done. 0:15:37.190 --> 0:15:42.210 But you presented the english side because they were bilingual station. Yeah, 0:15:42.220 --> 0:15:42.350 of 0:15:42.350 --> 0:15:45.430 course, yeah, the morning show, so I that's how I started. 0:15:45.430 --> 0:15:48.750 And then there was a short break. And then um 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:51.220 then Maggie calls me up one day I bumped into 0:15:51.220 --> 0:15:53.880 her on the street and she goes hey um I 0:15:53.890 --> 0:15:56.020 need an on air partner. I'm like I'm sorry what 0:15:56.030 --> 0:15:58.750 do you mean? Come on. So I'm like okay 0:15:59.970 --> 0:16:02.640 yeah we oh 0:16:02.650 --> 0:16:05.700 I joined her and powerful for I think wow a 0:16:05.700 --> 0:16:09.040 long time until she left. She she came to to 0:16:09.050 --> 0:16:12.250 back then was T. C. S radio. Then I took 0:16:12.250 --> 0:16:13.970 over for a while. 0:16:13.980 --> 0:16:16.890 Maggie, Maggie and Joseon that morning show that lasted a 0:16:16.890 --> 0:16:17.410 while 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:21.780 had so much fun, I missed 0:16:21.780 --> 0:16:22.920 that. So 0:16:22.970 --> 0:16:26.360 so tell us tell us what you liked about doing 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:29.250 radio because I think very few people associated with radio. 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:32.110 But but because I was there when you first joined radio, 0:16:32.110 --> 0:16:32.350 I mean 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:34.480 I will I will be honest as well for the 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.450 rest of us at the station like Jose is joining us. 0:16:37.460 --> 0:16:41.290 Like what? Why would he why would he do that? 0:16:41.300 --> 0:16:44.420 But but tell us tell us what you remember most 0:16:44.420 --> 0:16:44.830 about doing 0:16:44.830 --> 0:16:50.330 radio. Okay so the biggest incident that one incident I 0:16:50.330 --> 0:16:51.660 would say that happened 0:16:51.740 --> 0:16:53.480 for me, even though I had so much fun with 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:55.570 Maggie every morning um 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:57.960 was the first time the MRT broke down. Do you 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:02.570 remember that? And yeah the first time it broke down 0:17:02.570 --> 0:17:04.690 and and Maggie and I were doing the morning show 0:17:04.690 --> 0:17:08.170