WEBVTT - Is There DOUBLE STANDARDS in Gender Equality?! 0:00:06.809 --> 0:00:10.039 Welcome to another episode of Men Explained where we really 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:12.728 dig deep into the differences in the way that men 0:00:12.728 --> 0:00:13.609 and women think. 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:16.750 Now today we've got a TikTok duo that is very 0:00:16.750 --> 0:00:20.879 popular when they talk about things like gender, they talk 0:00:20.879 --> 0:00:24.950 about opinions, preferences. Let's please welcome our guests today, Nick 0:00:24.950 --> 0:00:25.600 and Chow. 0:00:27.020 --> 0:00:29.420 I think they were quite surprised when you said TikTok duo. 0:00:31.180 --> 0:00:32.819 The reason why I say that is because people are 0:00:32.819 --> 0:00:35.580 very much comfortable and they know you guys now as 0:00:35.580 --> 0:00:37.060 the two of you guys who sit together and talk 0:00:37.060 --> 0:00:37.740 about these kind of things, 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:40.659 right? I suppose, yeah, but I don't know, I don't 0:00:40.659 --> 0:00:42.729 attach myself so strongly to the platform that's just a 0:00:42.729 --> 0:00:50.879 duo can be discussed on any platform. OK guys, we 0:00:50.880 --> 0:00:52.778 always see you, you know, online, but 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:55.330 How did you guys even start doing this content together 0:00:55.590 --> 0:00:57.750 and decide that this is what we're going to narrow 0:00:57.750 --> 0:00:59.869 in on because we all know by now the type 0:00:59.869 --> 0:01:01.869 of content that you guys do. So how did it 0:01:01.869 --> 0:01:03.009 even start? We're 0:01:03.009 --> 0:01:03.189 friends, 0:01:03.310 --> 0:01:05.500 right? And then one day I was sending her home, 0:01:06.110 --> 0:01:08.830 driving back, and then after that we were talking about 0:01:08.830 --> 0:01:10.419 one of the topics that we were talking about. 0:01:10.830 --> 0:01:13.940 So I like to say that the Genesis is really organic. 0:01:14.150 --> 0:01:16.830 It came from a real conversation we were having. Do 0:01:16.830 --> 0:01:18.220 you remember what this topic was. 0:01:19.589 --> 0:01:21.940 So it was like, what does it mean if he 0:01:21.940 --> 0:01:27.139 likes your IG stories? Can I, can I, what does 0:01:27.139 --> 0:01:29.289 it mean if he likes IG stories? I think it's 0:01:29.290 --> 0:01:34.459 a form of flirting. Yeah, I think it's a form of, like, 0:01:36.059 --> 0:01:38.769 because I like people's stories, right, based on what they're doing. 0:01:38.940 --> 0:01:41.539 I literally just like my friend's story because she was in. 0:01:41.875 --> 0:01:43.035 and I liked it. I went, Oh my gosh, I 0:01:43.035 --> 0:01:44.044 love Cebu. I see it. 0:01:45.514 --> 0:01:47.294 You liked it for context and you messaged her, 0:01:48.264 --> 0:01:49.875 so it's opener, yeah, 0:01:49.955 --> 0:01:50.635 but, but it 0:01:50.635 --> 0:01:51.754 doesn't mean that I'm 0:01:51.754 --> 0:01:55.714 interested. OK, for example, right, he's scared you a cute selfie, OK, 0:01:55.834 --> 0:01:59.245 and someone likes it and like you guys just met 0:01:59.245 --> 0:02:00.764 like he's kind of texting you a little bit, but 0:02:00.764 --> 0:02:03.785 you don't really know what it meant. So I was like, Nick. 0:02:04.110 --> 0:02:09.109 What does that mean? I think that even if whoever 0:02:09.479 --> 0:02:12.240 likes not just likes your story, but keeps viewing your 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:15.880 stories constantly. How do you tell? They always appear at 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:16.119 the top. 0:02:17.199 --> 0:02:19.639 OK, anyway, we're going to go into our topic today, OK, 0:02:19.679 --> 0:02:22.080 which is misogyny and misan. Do you guys know what 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:25.758 that is? Misogyny is the hate against females, and then 0:02:25.758 --> 0:02:27.220 is the other one. Let's not use the word hate. 0:02:27.895 --> 0:02:33.576 the word prejudiced, misogyny is prejudice against women and misany 0:02:33.576 --> 0:02:35.865 is prejudiced against men. We're going to keep it at 0:02:35.865 --> 0:02:40.095 that now. Do you think that there is misany and 0:02:40.095 --> 0:02:43.695 misogyny very prevalent in the social media platforms? Yeah, of 0:02:43.695 --> 0:02:47.055 course, Definitely, especially when people are anonymous and they are 0:02:47.055 --> 0:02:49.055 allowed to add their thoughts a lot more freely and 0:02:49.055 --> 0:02:51.416 they don't feel like there's consequences to things that they say. 0:02:51.561 --> 0:02:54.701 They tend to be a lot more carefree with what 0:02:54.701 --> 0:02:58.022 they say and they'll be rude, they'll be, I guess 0:02:58.022 --> 0:03:01.311 like the way that I'm observing your facial expression, I 0:03:01.311 --> 0:03:04.001 feel like you've experienced this quite a bit. I think, OK, 0:03:04.072 --> 0:03:08.031 any any woman on social media will have comments saying 0:03:08.031 --> 0:03:09.772 things like you should do OF. I before 0:03:15.171 --> 0:03:15.242 for what people ask me to do. 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:18.110 And I was like, yo man, no thank you. 0:03:18.679 --> 0:03:18.800 Do you 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:23.179 have any examples that you remember? The OF one is 0:03:23.179 --> 0:03:24.630 a really big one or things that go back to 0:03:24.630 --> 0:03:27.359 the kitchen, that sort of thing. Like it's very, very 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:31.279 they still say that, yeah, but it's not extremely prevalent. 0:03:31.399 --> 0:03:34.350 I feel like at least in my on my platforms thankfully, 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:37.639 but occasionally you get a couple, uh, most recently I think. 0:03:37.735 --> 0:03:41.035 The very common ones are like OF or like stop yapping, 0:03:41.205 --> 0:03:42.964 then they always say like, oh, women yap a lot 0:03:42.964 --> 0:03:43.585 and stuff, 0:03:43.884 --> 0:03:46.684 yeah. But do you think that's actually misogynistic 0:03:46.684 --> 0:03:48.884 though if they tie it to gender, then yes, 0:03:49.565 --> 0:03:49.824 fair 0:03:50.244 --> 0:03:50.714 fair. 0:03:51.445 --> 0:03:51.705 What about 0:03:51.705 --> 0:03:52.154 you then? 0:03:52.205 --> 0:03:55.645 I think against men there is a lot of uh 0:03:55.645 --> 0:03:58.725 insults by your status in life, like your wealth, how 0:03:58.725 --> 0:04:01.645 you treat women and stuff like that. Like people are 0:04:01.645 --> 0:04:04.044 always tying you to a certain value. 0:04:04.419 --> 0:04:06.289 That they want you to earn this much of money, 0:04:06.380 --> 0:04:08.199 you know, pay for every meal and that kind of thing, 0:04:08.380 --> 0:04:11.100 but I don't necessarily think it's like much of a problem. 0:04:11.610 --> 0:04:14.270 Right, I don't think there's an argument of misogyny versus 0:04:14.270 --> 0:04:17.130 misanry when the whole platform itself is on social media 0:04:17.130 --> 0:04:20.368 is toxic. No, I agree with that. But personally wise, 0:04:20.850 --> 0:04:23.609 have you ever received like comments which you said like, oh, 0:04:23.730 --> 0:04:25.970 you know, this sounds like it's coming from a person 0:04:25.970 --> 0:04:28.350 who just does not like men, not about like status generalizing. 0:04:29.928 --> 0:04:33.049 I just men, not so much against you, yeah, against 0:04:33.049 --> 0:04:35.739 me as a person more more often but they tie 0:04:35.738 --> 0:04:38.500 it to gender? I rarely think it's about gender at least. 0:04:39.428 --> 0:04:41.686 For men, I think women have it way worse. So 0:04:41.687 --> 0:04:43.178 if it's not genuinely, what do you think it's about 0:04:43.178 --> 0:04:44.097 or just as a personal individuals. 0:04:44.517 --> 0:04:48.976 It's a personal attack. OK, no, but for you, you've 0:04:48.976 --> 0:04:52.817 addressed these comments before, right? You you have no hesitation 0:04:52.817 --> 0:04:55.257 when it comes to like just going there and replying 0:04:55.257 --> 0:04:55.377 the 0:04:55.377 --> 0:04:55.697 comments. 0:04:55.817 --> 0:04:58.227 Yeah, yeah, I think at some point in time, people 0:04:58.226 --> 0:05:00.138 always think that other people are not allowed an opinion 0:05:00.138 --> 0:05:02.697 just because it's against yours, but like at the same 0:05:02.697 --> 0:05:05.738 time all these platforms they give you a place to 0:05:05.738 --> 0:05:07.226 voice your thoughts, right, and I. 0:05:07.395 --> 0:05:10.354 That's my thoughts really often. I don't think I'm wrong 0:05:10.355 --> 0:05:12.825 to have an opinion just because it's different from the 0:05:12.825 --> 0:05:15.145 general public. But do you ever think that there's a 0:05:15.145 --> 0:05:18.425 line where because you have a following and because people 0:05:18.425 --> 0:05:20.466 see you as a certain kind of influencer and whatnot, 0:05:20.505 --> 0:05:23.545 the way that you respond, people may take it as harmful, 0:05:23.585 --> 0:05:25.265 or people may take it as, oh, he's also a 0:05:25.265 --> 0:05:27.075 very offensive person, or he's also a very hateful person. 0:05:27.186 --> 0:05:27.325 I 0:05:27.325 --> 0:05:29.425 have that thought process. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it 0:05:29.425 --> 0:05:31.135 could be, it could be, it could be. So why 0:05:31.135 --> 0:05:33.735 I don't tie myself to a legit agency. 0:05:34.226 --> 0:05:34.406 OK, 0:05:34.545 --> 0:05:35.226 no, you brought up a good point. 0:05:35.553 --> 0:05:38.753 Because frankly speaking, I actually think 2 or 3 times 0:05:38.753 --> 0:05:42.074 before I reply or leave a comment. I want so 0:05:42.074 --> 0:05:45.074 badly to reply sometimes to these stupid comments or like 0:05:45.074 --> 0:05:48.113 hate comments or comments about your appearance or whatever. I 0:05:48.113 --> 0:05:50.503 really craft something out and I'm like, bam, this is 0:05:50.503 --> 0:05:53.313 the best comment ever. And then two minutes later I'm 0:05:53.313 --> 0:05:57.074 like delete. I just backspace. So like what sort of 0:05:57.074 --> 0:05:59.354 comments are you replying to? Somebody basically called me very 0:05:59.354 --> 0:06:02.593 flat chested on Instagram, OK, and it was just out there. 0:06:02.634 --> 0:06:03.234 He kept commenting. 0:06:03.462 --> 0:06:05.721 on like all these different pictures that I was posting. 0:06:05.802 --> 0:06:07.962 I don't even remember what photos they were or why. 0:06:08.041 --> 0:06:09.971 And then I think some of my followers started to 0:06:09.971 --> 0:06:13.082 like defend me on my platform, right? They were like, 0:06:13.161 --> 0:06:15.082 You're so rude, get off. And then it started this 0:06:15.082 --> 0:06:17.601 whole argument in the comment section and I wanted so 0:06:17.601 --> 0:06:19.361 bad to go in there and type something really like 0:06:19.361 --> 0:06:22.511 witty and I just decided to delete the whole thread. 0:06:22.761 --> 0:06:26.022 I was like, I don't know. I because I feel 0:06:26.022 --> 0:06:28.190 that I need to put more thought process into it, 0:06:28.282 --> 0:06:30.242 you know, and then if I'm so harmful then, what 0:06:30.242 --> 0:06:31.261 if he gets 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:35.839 Affected and why did you delete it then I just 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:37.950 decided that I didn't want to get into it at 0:06:37.950 --> 0:06:39.869 the end of the day. I was like forget it. Yeah, 0:06:39.950 --> 0:06:42.308 it's not worth my energy because if I reply, he's 0:06:42.309 --> 0:06:44.480 going to reply. All these people are going to continue 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:46.109 chiming in and it just will never be the end 0:06:46.109 --> 0:06:46.309 of it. 0:06:46.420 --> 0:06:46.789 It's a 0:06:46.790 --> 0:06:48.868 good thing that you said that because the next question 0:06:48.869 --> 0:06:50.820 I want to say, right, just back on this, right. 0:06:51.109 --> 0:06:53.308 Do you think that kind of fuels you? Uh, not really. 0:06:53.470 --> 0:06:55.429 So you, you honestly just replied because you want to 0:06:55.428 --> 0:06:59.630 just I just. So the question that I want to ask, right, 0:06:59.660 --> 0:07:00.070 is that. 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:03.299 Obviously as a woman, when you say certain things, right, 0:07:03.690 --> 0:07:05.589 sometimes people would say it's pretty bold statement when you 0:07:05.589 --> 0:07:09.619 guys talk about certain opinions, certain preferences together, as pretty bold. 0:07:09.950 --> 0:07:12.829 How do you deal with backlash when sometimes people disagree 0:07:12.829 --> 0:07:15.029 with that and maybe even if it comes from a woman, 0:07:15.190 --> 0:07:16.989 especially if it comes from another woman, how do you 0:07:16.989 --> 0:07:17.160 deal with 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:17.630 that backlash? 0:07:17.750 --> 0:07:19.269 I think there was like a video that we talked 0:07:19.269 --> 0:07:20.149 about cheating. The 0:07:20.149 --> 0:07:23.429 context is if your friend cheats, do you help tell 0:07:23.429 --> 0:07:24.299 their partner. 0:07:25.730 --> 0:07:28.359 OK, and what did you say? I think I said 0:07:28.359 --> 0:07:32.040 that I would talk to the friend first before intervening 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:34.779 because it's not my relationship. Yeah and then people were like, 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:37.239 you're not a girl's girl because of that. Oh, OK, 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:39.269 I have a very different definition of a girl's girl 0:07:39.269 --> 0:07:42.880 because sometimes these things happen within our friend groups and 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:45.429 if you truly are very good friends with each other, 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:49.320 you also want to state your views, right, because I 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:50.750 think it affects the friendship also. 0:07:51.369 --> 0:07:53.890 So it's like I think my thought process was I 0:07:53.890 --> 0:07:56.170 would talk to the friend and let them know my 0:07:56.170 --> 0:07:59.190 thoughts about this and how my values are different and 0:07:59.410 --> 0:08:01.209 they get to choose what they want to do next. 0:08:01.329 --> 0:08:03.609 So eventually if it prolongs and they don't do anything 0:08:03.609 --> 0:08:05.380 about it, they still continue cheating, then that affects my 0:08:05.380 --> 0:08:08.570 friendship with them because of the different values. Yeah, but 0:08:08.570 --> 0:08:10.730 it also takes a while to explain these sorts of 0:08:10.730 --> 0:08:14.410 concepts sometimes and TikTok videos, Instagram reels, they're all very 0:08:14.410 --> 0:08:16.320 short form and they might just watch like 10 seconds 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:16.609 of it. 0:08:18.179 --> 0:08:18.578 and 0:08:18.579 --> 0:08:18.779 we 0:08:18.779 --> 0:08:21.579 probably like 20-30 minutes worth of stuff that we condense 0:08:21.579 --> 0:08:24.339 into one minute and there's a lot of context that 0:08:24.339 --> 0:08:26.769 gets taken out because of brevity and stuff like that. 0:08:27.059 --> 0:08:30.130 But we only had maybe a few videos that got 0:08:30.130 --> 0:08:32.630 really bad backlash. That was like the main one I think. 0:08:33.219 --> 0:08:36.059 But how do you guys then prevent after something like 0:08:36.059 --> 0:08:38.218 that happens? Do you guys think like, OK, the next 0:08:38.219 --> 0:08:40.020 video that we put out, should we change the way 0:08:40.020 --> 0:08:42.270 that we craft certain things or you're just like 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:44.419 Whatever. These are our views. I don't care. 0:08:44.789 --> 0:08:46.289 That's my stance lah. OK, 0:08:46.630 --> 0:08:48.750 I will tweak it a little bit just to, yeah, 0:08:48.869 --> 0:08:50.549 so I will just make sure that the tone and 0:08:50.549 --> 0:08:53.669 the messaging is still positive overall, that there's still valuable 0:08:53.669 --> 0:08:56.489 takeaways from it. If it's just a video to incite 0:08:56.489 --> 0:08:59.109 more hate and to stir more conversation of like emotions 0:08:59.109 --> 0:09:01.229 and anger into rage, then what's the point? Like I 0:09:01.229 --> 0:09:03.150 wouldn't do that. That's why this balance works out because 0:09:03.150 --> 0:09:05.439 I think Nick is a very, uh, I'll just say 0:09:05.440 --> 0:09:07.669 one kind of person and then I'll be like, hold up. 0:09:08.270 --> 0:09:11.830 Maybe we need to. Has anyone ever approached you in 0:09:11.830 --> 0:09:14.059 real life, like in person to be like, yeah, I 0:09:14.059 --> 0:09:15.960 really hated what you said. I love a lot, 0:09:20.750 --> 0:09:21.030 a lot, 0:09:23.789 --> 0:09:27.219 a lot despite sometimes getting negative comments blown out of proportion, 0:09:27.549 --> 0:09:29.390 in real life, people are like, oh, I love your 0:09:29.390 --> 0:09:31.780 stuff and it's always the hate. 0:09:32.090 --> 0:09:34.849 loudest online and they don't dare to even look at 0:09:34.849 --> 0:09:36.089 us they're the same 0:09:36.090 --> 0:09:38.409 people actually. I realized after a while I click that 0:09:38.409 --> 0:09:41.440 it's the same person commenting video A, B, C, same person. 0:09:41.580 --> 0:09:43.530 I go see other user account, right? There's a comment 0:09:43.530 --> 0:09:44.669 on all my other friends. 0:09:44.929 --> 0:09:45.010 I 0:09:45.010 --> 0:09:48.250 guess we should thank them for interactions. I suppose one 0:09:48.250 --> 0:09:51.809 of the comments that it's related to misogyny would be 0:09:51.809 --> 0:09:54.690 about my relationship status. I think as someone that's in 0:09:54.690 --> 0:09:55.869 my late twenties and 0:09:55.919 --> 0:09:59.190 As a girl, people always put my value to my 0:09:59.190 --> 0:10:01.630 relationship status, right? So that comes in the comments now 0:10:01.630 --> 0:10:04.070 and then I think there was a video about like 0:10:04.070 --> 0:10:06.270 what a child's weaknesses, for example, and then they're like 0:10:06.270 --> 0:10:08.390 child is too picky, that's why she's single. Nobody wants 0:10:08.390 --> 0:10:10.429 her and stuff, but I don't know if that's like 0:10:10.429 --> 0:10:14.270 gender specific also because it can go both ways. So 0:10:14.270 --> 0:10:16.630 on that note, I've got friends who are like 30 already, 0:10:16.710 --> 0:10:18.710 they are still single or just broke up, you know. 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:21.400 So he's 0:10:22.770 --> 0:10:26.459 Yes, but you're also single now, OK, and if you 0:10:26.460 --> 0:10:29.869 also actually, so for my girlfriends who are like, let's 0:10:29.869 --> 0:10:33.239 say in their 30s already who are not in a 0:10:33.239 --> 0:10:36.580 relationship and they're still single, versus men who are in 0:10:36.580 --> 0:10:39.780 their 30s and are single, the perception I feel is 0:10:39.780 --> 0:10:42.859 very different for sure because it's like, oh man, are 0:10:42.859 --> 0:10:45.820 you OK? Like you're still in your prime. Like 30s, 0:10:46.059 --> 0:10:47.380 you only be in your prime when you're like close 0:10:47.380 --> 0:10:49.669 to 40, you're good, but for girls it's like. 0:10:50.039 --> 0:10:53.719 I expired already I think yeah 30+ is over. But 0:10:53.719 --> 0:10:55.460 I do want to say I feel that that's changing 0:10:55.460 --> 0:10:58.039 a little bit. I hope so over time and that 0:10:58.039 --> 0:11:00.669 even if you're single in your 30s, it's totally fine. 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:03.280 And I feel like there's more representation of single women 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:06.780 who are just killing it in life online and this 0:11:06.780 --> 0:11:10.109 just makes it overall seem a lot more normal and acceptable. 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:12.840 In fact, the perceived value of single women in their 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:15.750 thirties who are highly successful in their own right, right. 0:11:15.898 --> 0:11:18.387 It's even higher now because we don't play games, yeah, 0:11:18.927 --> 0:11:21.977 and honestly like I think at that age it's just 0:11:21.977 --> 0:11:23.888 if you want to date you date properly already, you 0:11:23.888 --> 0:11:25.047 just don't waste your time. That's why you're, 0:11:26.288 --> 0:11:27.687 I get all the time because I'm all the time 0:11:27.687 --> 0:11:37.528 that's why he's still it's like permanent one. But when 0:11:37.528 --> 0:11:39.127 you say that, where do you think this is coming 0:11:39.127 --> 0:11:41.127 from because bringing it back to. 0:11:42.096 --> 0:11:45.015 And misogyny, right? Like you said, the girls nowadays is 0:11:45.015 --> 0:11:48.455 a bit different. I guess misogyny is not that prevalent 0:11:48.455 --> 0:11:51.536 as it was like 20-30 years ago, but it's mercenary 0:11:51.535 --> 0:11:55.255 then now more prevalent, be it in online, in in 0:11:55.255 --> 0:11:57.335 real life, that you feel that these people are saying 0:11:57.335 --> 0:11:58.795 these things to you just because they don't like 0:11:58.796 --> 0:11:59.265 you. I, 0:12:01.176 --> 0:12:04.015 to analyze whether it's gender specific or not. So here's 0:12:04.015 --> 0:12:06.535 something that I've seen online quite a bit is that 0:12:06.535 --> 0:12:07.695 there are people commenting. 0:12:07.903 --> 0:12:11.573 trends, they have little TikTok videos of women saying things like, oh, 0:12:11.674 --> 0:12:15.193 men are trash, you know, or not all men, but men. 0:12:15.343 --> 0:12:18.143 You know, some men but men, that kind of trend 0:12:18.143 --> 0:12:22.864 is so prevalently misanderistic, right, that it's got nothing to 0:12:22.864 --> 0:12:25.414 do with anything other than the fact that a guy 0:12:25.414 --> 0:12:29.263 can't seem to do things right. Have you personally? I 0:12:29.263 --> 0:12:33.664 don't think it's personally attacked, but I do feel like it's. 0:12:33.952 --> 0:12:39.671 Fair, right, because TikTok, Instagram, like social media is so 0:12:39.671 --> 0:12:44.671 influential that it has influenced relationships, it influences work, it 0:12:44.671 --> 0:12:48.271 influences all these things exactly right. And when you have 0:12:48.271 --> 0:12:51.901 people who have a certain status, a certain type of influence, right, 0:12:52.052 --> 0:12:54.431 and they share things like this, you know, oh, my 0:12:54.432 --> 0:12:57.111 boyfriend didn't buy me flowers on the second date, men 0:12:57.111 --> 0:12:59.671 kind of thing, right? People are going to be like, oh, then. 0:13:00.010 --> 0:13:02.439 Should I be receiving flowers on my second day? And 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:04.840 if then this person doesn't do it, is he just 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:06.090 like every other person? 0:13:06.200 --> 0:13:08.400 You know, it's so funny because I I I clearly 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:11.000 I'm not an overthinker. I don't know, but I never 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:11.919 thought in that. 0:13:12.450 --> 0:13:15.890 Line of, I never had that line of thought like 0:13:15.890 --> 0:13:18.530 he didn't buy me flowers. Yeah, like I never really 0:13:18.530 --> 0:13:19.108 thought about it. I don't 0:13:19.109 --> 0:13:20.520 know that as an example. 0:13:21.770 --> 0:13:23.689 I get it. I guess it depends on how you 0:13:23.690 --> 0:13:25.539 consume that also. So if you consume that and think 0:13:25.539 --> 0:13:27.450 that oh this is applied to all men now as 0:13:27.450 --> 0:13:30.690 compared to like, oh, she's very critical and she demands 0:13:30.690 --> 0:13:31.690 flowers for her own date. 0:13:31.950 --> 0:13:34.130 Yeah, but you see, the difference is that people don't 0:13:34.130 --> 0:13:37.689 think the same way that you think and the majority 0:13:37.690 --> 0:13:42.340 of the people online will take what people say as 0:13:42.340 --> 0:13:42.979 is 0:13:42.979 --> 0:13:43.099 kind 0:13:43.099 --> 0:13:43.219 of 0:13:43.219 --> 0:13:44.640 like group 0:13:44.640 --> 0:13:45.439 mentality. 0:13:45.739 --> 0:13:45.940 I mean, 0:13:45.979 --> 0:13:47.419 it's the same thing right when you guys do content, 0:13:47.500 --> 0:13:48.969 you would tell as well that a lot of people, 0:13:49.299 --> 0:13:50.900 they have the same kind of opinions. They take it 0:13:50.900 --> 0:13:51.449 as it is. 0:13:51.869 --> 0:13:54.020 I don't know what algorithm you have, right, but my 0:13:54.020 --> 0:13:56.580 algorithm doesn't really show me too much men hate, which 0:13:56.580 --> 0:13:59.059 is a good thing I guess. But when I do 0:13:59.059 --> 0:14:01.059 see these comments, they are always tagged to some sort 0:14:01.059 --> 0:14:04.219 of violence, violent crimes, and I feel like that's where 0:14:04.219 --> 0:14:08.108 it becomes a heavier discussion also and that's the reason 0:14:08.109 --> 0:14:09.940 why people say, I think I saw a line once 0:14:09.940 --> 0:14:13.450 that I felt strongly for it was not all men, 0:14:13.659 --> 0:14:18.460 but it's always a men in relation to violent crimes. 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:21.250 And what about cheating? No, not so much because 0:14:21.570 --> 0:14:24.250 it's like I was gonna say 0:14:24.250 --> 0:14:27.969 it's a thing as well. I see a lot more. 0:14:28.289 --> 0:14:31.289 Have you seen a TikTok that uh like girlies comment, 0:14:31.369 --> 0:14:33.440 the worst thing a Singaporean guy has done to you 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:40.989 that TikTok, he's like 1,000,000,000 0:14:40.989 --> 0:14:41.690 comments, it's crazy. There's so many stories are insane. 0:14:43.049 --> 0:14:45.049 Some of the stories are insane, but some of them 0:14:45.049 --> 0:14:49.119 are also, like I said, very minuscule things like, oh, 0:14:49.130 --> 0:14:50.210 he didn't want to pay for the first date. 0:14:50.729 --> 0:14:51.479 Oh, it's like 0:14:51.479 --> 0:14:54.549 000. 0, he showed up to our first date in shorts. 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:56.599 I would wear shorts to a first date. 0:14:56.830 --> 0:14:58.719 I think he would. I actually 0:14:58.719 --> 0:15:00.780 would. I still wear shorts and slippers to go to town. 0:15:01.039 --> 0:15:03.820 What do you mean? No, you see what I mean. 0:15:03.919 --> 0:15:06.400 So it's really two different spectrums, right? And like bringing 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:09.719 it back to you guys. Is this something that you 0:15:09.719 --> 0:15:12.400 guys understand and you see on social media? And if 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:15.960 you do, how do you as this duo, talk about it? 0:15:16.039 --> 0:15:17.840 Or do you guys address? Yeah, do you address it 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:20.039 at all? Every time we come out with a. 0:15:20.270 --> 0:15:23.750 We always discuss it a bit beforehand, like to see 0:15:23.750 --> 0:15:26.630 what stands we are at and whether it's different for 0:15:26.630 --> 0:15:28.140 both of us because it doesn't make sense if both 0:15:28.140 --> 0:15:29.909 of us have the same thought. Then after that we 0:15:29.909 --> 0:15:32.309 just sound like one robot, right? So we tend to 0:15:32.309 --> 0:15:35.299 have opposing views on some things. Sometimes if I feel 0:15:35.299 --> 0:15:37.619 lightly about this, but she feels heavier about the other thing, 0:15:37.789 --> 0:15:39.950 then I would take on the other stance from another 0:15:39.950 --> 0:15:42.549 point of view, not necessarily that I fully believe in it. Yeah, 0:15:42.630 --> 0:15:44.020 so that's how we kind of balance it out. 0:15:44.510 --> 0:15:46.909 Do you guys ever find yourselves getting caught in a 0:15:46.909 --> 0:15:49.549 real argument, you know, you're doing and then it 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:56.969 Develops into a real disagreement. We just chill. Yeah, actually 0:15:56.969 --> 0:15:58.760 I think it's a really good balance that we have. 0:15:58.919 --> 0:16:01.840 We are able to have really good open conversations with 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.760 each other. We have had arguments before as friends, but 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:08.080 not in the context of like, yeah, the content. I 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:09.940 want to get your thoughts on this. What do you 0:16:09.940 --> 0:16:11.679 think about the whole I hate men culture 0:16:11.679 --> 0:16:15.400 then? Specifically in Singapore, when they say Singaporean men are trash, right, 0:16:15.599 --> 0:16:17.320 then you'll be like, oh, but I'm a Singaporean man. 0:16:17.359 --> 0:16:18.179 Are they really trash? 0:16:18.622 --> 0:16:20.773 Actually what my favorite first date question is what is 0:16:20.773 --> 0:16:25.713 your worst date? Wow, it's actually really quite treasure. I, I, 0:16:25.773 --> 0:16:28.413 I say most guys really don't know how to behave 0:16:28.413 --> 0:16:31.572 on a date. I think basic respect, uh, first off, 0:16:31.732 --> 0:16:34.893 like dressing, uh, we do not wear shorts in when 0:16:34.893 --> 0:16:38.492 the girl, I disagree when the girl puts in effort 0:16:38.492 --> 0:16:40.973 to dress up and you don't at least match her 0:16:40.973 --> 0:16:44.523 like that. Let me give context, right? If let's say 0:16:44.523 --> 0:16:46.603 we go on a night date and I say that, 0:16:46.612 --> 0:16:47.333 you know, I'm going to bring you up. 0:16:47.476 --> 0:16:48.676 You know, I'm going to bring out for drinks. Of 0:16:48.676 --> 0:16:50.776 course I will dress up nicely. If you say, oh, 0:16:50.986 --> 0:16:54.065 let's go grab a coffee on a Sunday afternoon. I 0:16:54.065 --> 0:16:56.546 said I said her, you heard the line. I said 0:16:56.546 --> 0:16:59.505 match her. Yeah, imagine I show up like in jeans 0:16:59.505 --> 0:17:01.786 and she shows up in an FBT and an oversized t-shirt. Yeah, 0:17:01.866 --> 0:17:04.296 it's happened to me before and then I call her out, right? 0:17:04.306 --> 0:17:05.225 So it depends. And 0:17:05.225 --> 0:17:06.546 you didn't have a second date, yeah, 0:17:06.645 --> 0:17:09.586 yeah, yeah, yeah. She wears sports shoes, jean yellow color t-shirt. 0:17:12.296 --> 0:17:13.786 I remember exactly what she wear. I was like, Wow, 0:17:14.145 --> 0:17:15.545 I took 1 hour to pick up my outfit, 0:17:15.556 --> 0:17:15.706 bro. 0:17:16.939 --> 0:17:19.060 OK, so since quite a number of us don't really 0:17:19.060 --> 0:17:20.859 get this on our FYP very much, right, here are 0:17:20.859 --> 0:17:23.339