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Speaker 1: Hey, It's zero. And welcome back to another episode of Cavities.

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Speaker 1: Today we have a very special guest in the studio,

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Speaker 1: let's give it up for Singapore born rapper, producer and songwriter.

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Speaker 1: Thank

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Speaker 2: you. You

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Speaker 1: don't know what he's a big deal in an hour

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Speaker 1: and radio, right? I think at least 56 songs that

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Speaker 1: we play in an hour is written by him. No,

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Speaker 1: just by different artists, but it's all his. Look at him.

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Speaker 1: You tell us, tell us more about yourself, all of

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Speaker 1: us here at harsh podcast. We want to know

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Speaker 2: my name is I live,

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Speaker 2: I love making

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Speaker 1: music

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Speaker 2: and I'm happy to be here with you girls. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's

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Speaker 1: Southeast Asia.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's def jam South East Asia. That's right, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And you just want to congratulate I live on a very,

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Speaker 1: very successful smashing single court swipe

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Speaker 2: appreciate,

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Speaker 1: You know, I can barely count from 1 to 10

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Speaker 1: malay, but I can sing that song, tri tri color,

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Speaker 1: I

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Speaker 2: can tell, I can tell the practice and I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. That was pretty smooth.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. What do you think about your song becoming

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Speaker 1: such a successful heat?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm definitely happy, you know, I'm very grateful.

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying not to like eat into it too much,

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Speaker 2: you know, just celebrate for a little bit and then

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Speaker 1: answer for him. I think it's not face because it

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Speaker 1: happens all the time.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no it's not like that. No, no, no

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Speaker 2: I do. I do you know my heart is smiling,

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Speaker 2: you know, really? I cannot help it sometimes, but I

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Speaker 2: do understand that music is something you give right? So

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Speaker 2: I have to constantly give you know so if they

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Speaker 2: really like this one song so you know I know

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Speaker 2: I have more to give so I cannot

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Speaker 2: just like be comfortable for too long.

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Speaker 1: I really like what I mentioned about like celebrating it

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Speaker 1: for a while and then letting yourself get into it

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Speaker 1: and then pulling yourself back out and focus on the

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Speaker 1: next single or the next song for example. So today

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Speaker 1: in this episode we're actually going to talk about life

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Speaker 1: decisions and life choices. All of us here we have

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Speaker 1: been in this industry for easily about five years, jimmy,

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Speaker 1: you have been in this industry for what? 77 years?

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Speaker 1: 70

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Speaker 1: I guess like 56 but because I started performing the

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Speaker 1: violin pretty early 11 so I've seen a lot of

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Speaker 1: long time.

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Speaker 2: I'm not counting like I lost count

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Speaker 1: of the decade. For sure. For sure For me it's

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Speaker 1: like 5.5 years in this industry.

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Speaker 2: Congratulations

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Speaker 1: thank you. Thank you. Can I can I just ask

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Speaker 1: a quick question to everyone here,

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Speaker 1: are we happy where we are right now if we

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Speaker 1: were to be very honest in terms of Korea. Yes

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Speaker 1: yes yes of course. Very, very grateful for you know

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Speaker 2: everyone behind the camera watching you guys answer. Of

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Speaker 1: course yes we said no this is it

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Speaker 2: sorry. No,

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Speaker 1: no happy. Very grateful for all the opportunities that come

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Speaker 1: our way. And the fact that we get to talk

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Speaker 1: to people like, out of here, right? And I feel

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Speaker 1: like it's a long way. It's been a long journey.

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Speaker 1: Just even stepping into this industry, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: was the case for you? I live, but for for

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Speaker 1: me at least it was a very, very tough journey

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Speaker 1: to even be inside. So I cherish this experience a lot.

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Speaker 1: I am really thankful to be here every day. But

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Speaker 1: if there were a life choice or a decision that

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Speaker 1: you have made,

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Speaker 1: that you regret, what would it be if? Okay, I've

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Speaker 1: seen some interviews of yours, you mentioned that there's not

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Speaker 1: a single thing you would change in your past, but

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Speaker 1: I understand. I don't think I don't think that's true.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's true. You don't think I'm telling

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Speaker 1: truth. Everybody deep down in their hearts. I think there

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Speaker 1: must be something that they wish they had done differently.

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Speaker 1: As in there are things that would have been nice

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Speaker 1: if it was different, correct, but I still wouldn't change

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Speaker 1: it because

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Speaker 1: the wrong train takes you to the right place. Oh,

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Speaker 2: which is like when deep, like straight

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Speaker 1: Smrt should adopt that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no regrets

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Speaker 2: of course. Like, I wish some things wouldn't have happened,

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Speaker 2: you know, so many things actually, you know, um that

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Speaker 2: made me feel a certain type of way and changed

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Speaker 2: my perspective and things, but ultimately, like you guys said,

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Speaker 2: it landed me here, it made me it allowed me

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Speaker 2: to do songs like swipe and all these other songs

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Speaker 2: that I'm gonna put out,

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Speaker 2: so I have to be like, thankful no matter what

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Speaker 1: Nice, So when it comes to your life milestones, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure that you have had a lot of milestones along

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Speaker 1: the way. Do you think you take a more traditional

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Speaker 1: or a non conventional approach to that? I mean, like,

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Speaker 1: do you have a tip for liberal, correct? Do you

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Speaker 1: take the path that your parents or your fans, your

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Speaker 1: friends expect you to, or you go by own ways?

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Speaker 2: Such a good question. Never been asked that, I never

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Speaker 2: thought about that. People say that that's such a

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Speaker 1: good question when they don't know the answer,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when I need like a

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Speaker 1: minute and you know, a lot of people say that

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Speaker 1: they have never considered this because really they were brought

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Speaker 1: be another possibility of achieving your life milestones

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what, my, my best friend, my mama, she,

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Speaker 2: she's an educator, she, she was a vice principal, so

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Speaker 2: the way she raised me was definitely um you know,

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Speaker 2: like go straight in your path, do well in school,

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Speaker 2: education is really important and I really hold that until today,

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Speaker 2: you know, I really do think that education is important,

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Speaker 2: that's like priority, but as I grew up and when

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Speaker 2: you know? So I guess from that it kind of

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Speaker 2: changed my perspective into thinking about like the milestones, like

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Speaker 1: to your mom, right? Music was unconventional career, maybe she

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Speaker 1: felt like, you know, this is not something that will

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Speaker 1: to ask at what age did you tell your mom

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Speaker 2: it never got to that, it

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Speaker 2: even for me, like, I never knew when it became

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Speaker 2: because like, my mom, when, when she was going to

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Speaker 2: and all that. I don't know, maybe she just had

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: I think I understand, you know, because it's very similar

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Speaker 1: So for you really, for fans who know you now,

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Speaker 1: they know your music now, but they hop on the

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Speaker 2: Well, now that I think about it, it's like they

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Speaker 2: were all struggles, but when I was going through it,

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Speaker 2: yeah, it is the right

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess being in the entertainment industry, it is

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Speaker 2: I don't know, it's not something that you can consciously become,

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Speaker 2: it's not a mindset that you can just set yourself to.

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Speaker 2: I guess the person needs to already be like that,

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Speaker 2: you know, overly obsessive over something that probably doesn't make

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Speaker 2: struggle would be when was this gonna show you any results?

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Speaker 1: Right? If

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Speaker 2: I was suddenly like I had an awakening or something

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Speaker 2: like back then,

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Speaker 2: I guess that would be it often now looking back

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Speaker 2: often look like a series of just like endless

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Speaker 2: chasing or like rather exploration of what I can do

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Speaker 2: with my music and how that would have an effect

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Speaker 2: on people and how I can give back to the people,

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Speaker 2: you know, everything else is just like good struggle

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Speaker 1: setting your mother aside. What about the expectations that some

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Speaker 1: other people have of you say, your wife, what are

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Speaker 1: some expectations that they have of

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Speaker 2: you? Nothing

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Speaker 1: really, really,

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Speaker 2: I guess we acknowledge our duties respectively. So there's nothing

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Speaker 2: really much we expect from each other because jumping into this,

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Speaker 2: we had already accepted who we are as individuals. Of course,

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Speaker 2: she expects me to pick up my towel on the floor,

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Speaker 2: you know?

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Speaker 1: But do you,

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Speaker 2: I don't like I,

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Speaker 2: other than that, personally, I still try to be like

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Speaker 2: performer producer. So it's great when nothing much is expected

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Speaker 2: from from you, there's less pressure so I can move

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Speaker 2: at my own pace as long as there's trust that

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Speaker 2: because they came from that time. Probably that's why it

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Speaker 2: took me five years, right?

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Speaker 1: No, that's the reason, that's correct, that's the reason why

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Speaker 1: everything happens. But you know, I live, you're such a

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Speaker 1: successful character in many of the fans eyes, you have

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Speaker 1: an incredible career, you have a loving wife, you have

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Speaker 1: two adorable Children.

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Speaker 1: Is this enough for you? Are there any more milestones

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Speaker 1: that you still think you want to achieve in?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just had this thought like a couple of

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Speaker 2: weeks ago, I think I'm actually good, you know, so

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Speaker 2: I used to like, I want to go to L. A.

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Speaker 2: I want to go to, you know, I wanna have

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Speaker 2: a song with like Chris Brown, I want to,

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Speaker 2: I want to perform at the Madison Square Garden and

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Speaker 2: all that. Obviously now it's still a dream, you know,

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Speaker 2: I still want it, but I'd rather um be friends

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Speaker 2: with Chris Brown rather than have a song with

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Speaker 1: him. I

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Speaker 2: think that's the difference now you know it's more like

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Speaker 2: it's more of like understanding what actually makes me happy

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Speaker 2: um and how I can harness that and not like

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Speaker 2: over put into overkill. Um

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Speaker 1: That's nice to hear because I actually looked up like

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Speaker 1: some articles online and this is why she's serious.

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Speaker 2: She's not also a producer.

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Speaker 1: She got receipts.

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Speaker 1: No I really wanted to just share this with everybody

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Speaker 1: on this topic about like making conscious life choices and decisions.

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Speaker 1: So this article the title is actually how to make

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Speaker 1: sure that you are making the right choices for yourself

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Speaker 1: and the seven ways. The very first way is to

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Speaker 1: be selfish. Okay so this is very interesting and it

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Speaker 1: actually tells you what Oliver was talking about just now.

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Speaker 1: So

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Speaker 1: you can't pinpoint exactly what you want in life. If

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Speaker 1: you're constantly sacrificing your own time and your own dreams

486
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Speaker 1: for other people. That's right. You have to put yourself first.

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Speaker 1: Ask yourself if you were not tied down by your job,

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Speaker 1: your family, your friends or anything else then what would

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Speaker 1: you be doing right now? Do we have an answer

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Speaker 1: to that? If you were not tied down by anything

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Speaker 1: at all? That's a great answer. I love that.

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Speaker 1: Sleeping. No I mean if honestly this is what I

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Speaker 1: want to do. That surprisingly right? This is what I

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Speaker 1: want to do. I would probably move overseas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would probably

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Speaker 1: like migrate somewhere

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Speaker 2: but like doing the same thing. Just

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Speaker 1: something in

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Speaker 1: something in the same industry maybe or yeah, I might

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Speaker 1: not be here but because of my family, because of

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Speaker 1: the nature of my job, I feel like I have

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Speaker 1: to be here. So that's probably one thing. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: that's that's a good thing and we will be so

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Speaker 1: supportive zura what about you? Um I feel like I

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Speaker 1: am that person and you already know this. Like I

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Speaker 1: think very little considerations of what people think that's very true.

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Speaker 1: It might be a bad thing but I feel like

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if I'm going to

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Speaker 1: consider or think about what people are gonna say,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to pay for it because it's my life,

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Speaker 1: that's right and I'm going to have to bear the

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Speaker 1: consequences of it. So I will not, I will not

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Speaker 1: subject myself to that and I will do whatever I

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Speaker 1: want to. So you're saying that you're already doing whatever

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Speaker 1: you want to. I feel like I am, I feel

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Speaker 1: like you are too. I love that. So for me,

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Speaker 1: if I didn't have like all these work commitments, all

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Speaker 1: these hours that I have to put into my career,

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Speaker 1: I actually would like to be taking up a course

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Speaker 1: design. What kind of design more of like a graphic

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Speaker 1: kind of design, graphic design and actually hand in hand

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Speaker 1: with my work as well. Yes. And I think this

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Speaker 1: is something that I've never actually started, it would be

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Speaker 1: cool to understand it a bit further. You still have

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Speaker 1: the opportunity to think. So I'm really thinking about taking

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Speaker 1: some time out my work schedule to just do this

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Speaker 1: for myself. You know, just make myself feel very, you

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Speaker 1: You look genuinely happy for me because she was like

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Speaker 1: 24 hours a day. Yeah. You if you truly want

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Speaker 1: to do that, just try to find some balance. Sleep

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Speaker 1: is still the most important thing. No amount of like

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Speaker 1: success or money can buy you health. I think I'm

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Speaker 1: already sleeping

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Speaker 2: well. I

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Speaker 1: try to give myself that space right? When I cut

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Speaker 1: off like when it's bedtime, it is bedtime, it is rest. No,

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Speaker 1: you texted me like 2 40 am last night before bedtime.

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Speaker 1: I was like

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Speaker 1: three a.m. It's bedtime. Yeah. And knocked out pretty well

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Speaker 1: to like what? 10 ish. So yeah, but I see

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Speaker 1: where you're coming from. Like sometimes when it gets too busy,

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Speaker 1: the anxiety just gets to you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got to find that balance and that compromise

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Speaker 2: I guess with yourself also, you know,

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Speaker 2: because it's always about, I mean I've been in a

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Speaker 2: position where I'm expected to do things. I've been in

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Speaker 2: a position where you can do anything you want to

548
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Speaker 2: do correct and both are not great.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean? How is being doing? Whatever you

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Speaker 1: want to do, not great.

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Speaker 2: Both are not great because

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Speaker 2: I think I know what I really want, but do

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Speaker 2: I really like do I really have all the answers?

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Speaker 2: Do I really think I know all that? I guess

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Speaker 2: you got parents, you got like you got generations for

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Speaker 2: a reason, there has to be a certain level of

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Speaker 2: guidance passed down, right? It's only a matter of to

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Speaker 2: what degree you want to take in and to what

559
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Speaker 2: degree you think it would be helpful for you,

560
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Speaker 2: You know? zero guidance is dangerous, you know? So after

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Speaker 2: being like having gone through both of those phases

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Speaker 2: I realized that of course I'm leaning more into like

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Speaker 2: I want to do what I want to do, but

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Speaker 2: at the very same time, I will not totally disregard

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Speaker 2: what is expected of me in certain areas. And a

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Speaker 2: simple example would be, it will reflect in punctuality, What

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Speaker 2: do you mean in the smallest things? Like if I

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Speaker 2: really want to do what I wanted to do and

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Speaker 2: live how I wanted to live, my punctuality

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Speaker 2: was terrible, like you know, I would delay things, I

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Speaker 2: would like push things postpone things, you know, I don't

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Speaker 2: want to go out and we don't know that I'll

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Speaker 2: be there, I'll be there, you know, but if I

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Speaker 2: realize that there is a certain importance in respecting other

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Speaker 2: people's schedules and what they have to do and just

576
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Speaker 2: make the effort to

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Speaker 2: be better and go only after that. Then I realized

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Speaker 2: I'm glad I didn't miss out,

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Speaker 1: right? So basically it's not like, oh you live life

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Speaker 1: however you want, you can just no rules and you

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Speaker 1: do whatever you want. There are still some things that

582
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Speaker 1: you have to respect. But like in terms of your career,

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Speaker 1: you seek advice from people around you as well. Don't

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Speaker 1: just think that I know best and then I just

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Speaker 1: go and do what

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Speaker 1: by one, but

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Speaker 2: respectfully when people are in that mindset right of like

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Speaker 2: I want to do everything myself, there's no telling them otherwise,

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Speaker 1: correct.

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Speaker 2: So I also believe that people can never change people

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Speaker 2: of course, unless they are ready to be changed,

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Speaker 1: you can offer your advice, but whether the other party

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Speaker 1: takes it or not.

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Speaker 2: And I think like I'm sorry, like I think nine

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Speaker 2: times out of 10

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Speaker 2: when we when we offer advice, it's not something somebody

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Speaker 2: wants to take.

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Speaker 1: Very true. I was going to say when you offer advice,

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Speaker 1: you got to be ready for them not listen, we

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Speaker 1: spoke about this right and don't feel offended when they

601
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Speaker 1: don't listen to you because it's out of your control actually.

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Speaker 1: So I feel like today's episode was very enlightening and

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Speaker 1: insightful for listeners of harsh podcast. You know, maybe at

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Speaker 1: a

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Speaker 1: life crossroads, you don't know which direction to go what

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Speaker 1: path to take. I think what our lives share is

607
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Speaker 1: so important, just wing it.

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Speaker 1: You know, some direction is good All or no direction

609
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Speaker 1: at all can actually be very dangerous definitely. I think

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Speaker 1: you know, trust the people around you, trust your support

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Speaker 1: system that tell you and give you good advice, but

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day put your ego down right?

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Speaker 1: Like he says, you know, don't spend five years in

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Speaker 1: product industrial design, if you already know in the first

615
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Speaker 1: year that this is not quite what it is for

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Speaker 2: you, drop

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Speaker 1: it, let it go, swipe, swipe, swipe

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Speaker 1: Alright, I'll leave any last words for our listeners here

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Speaker 1: at harsh podcast.

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Speaker 2: Listen to hush,

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Speaker 1: No thanks. Listen to

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Speaker 2: tune in and you know, stream swipe, I appreciate it,

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Speaker 2: thank you, love you, bye.

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Speaker 1: Alright with that. Thank you so much for being here

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Speaker 1: with us today. Thank you, thank you,

626
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Speaker 2: thanks for having me, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: And all of you listening to us or watching us.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget to follow us on instagram at

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Speaker 1: that right in here right

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Speaker 2: now, your future's

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Speaker 1: already. Once again, I'm hazel, I'm jumping and we'll catch

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Speaker 1: you next time. Bye

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Speaker 2: bye