1 00:00:00,009 --> 00:00:03,190 Speaker 1: I think everyone always says I don't chase. I attract. 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,010 Speaker 1: If everyone don't chase right, then you get together for 3 00:00:07,019 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: the longest time. I kept attracting the wrong people because 4 00:00:09,529 --> 00:00:11,779 Speaker 1: it's true. I was not even fill my own cup. 5 00:00:11,789 --> 00:00:13,739 Speaker 1: I was just trying to drink from people's cup. 6 00:00:20,069 --> 00:00:22,049 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone. And welcome back to the hot pot where 7 00:00:22,059 --> 00:00:24,790 Speaker 1: you hop into different transitions in life. I'm Q, I'm Joy. 8 00:00:25,049 --> 00:00:27,649 Speaker 1: I'm Nick. And today we have a very special guest 9 00:00:27,659 --> 00:00:31,229 Speaker 1: joining us all the way from KL. We have Maggie. Hi. 10 00:00:31,899 --> 00:00:34,740 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me guys. Tell us a bit about yourself. Ok? 11 00:00:34,750 --> 00:00:36,708 Speaker 1: I guess to those of you who don't know who 12 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,130 Speaker 1: I am. I think that's most people. I'm Maggie Wang. 13 00:00:40,139 --> 00:00:43,889 Speaker 1: I am a host, podcaster. I have my own podcast 14 00:00:43,900 --> 00:00:47,060 Speaker 1: as well called Head Over Heels. I'm also a content 15 00:00:47,069 --> 00:00:47,610 Speaker 1: creator 16 00:00:47,924 --> 00:00:51,904 Speaker 1: and also I feel like so many things I don't 17 00:00:51,915 --> 00:00:53,485 Speaker 1: want to be master of none, but I also own 18 00:00:53,494 --> 00:00:58,775 Speaker 1: a fitness boutique studio in KL Motion Lab. Wow. Next 19 00:00:58,784 --> 00:01:01,634 Speaker 1: time we go, we, yes, please give your free passes 20 00:01:01,645 --> 00:01:06,764 Speaker 1: to work up. Oh, no excuse. Let's all 21 00:01:06,775 --> 00:01:08,894 Speaker 2: right. Today's topic that we're going to talk about is 22 00:01:08,904 --> 00:01:11,885 Speaker 2: something that's more common these days and it's being single 23 00:01:11,894 --> 00:01:15,114 Speaker 2: in your thirties around your married friends. 24 00:01:15,870 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 2: So, Maggie is single in her thirties. Are you around 25 00:01:19,169 --> 00:01:20,790 Speaker 2: a lot of married friends? Yeah. Or 26 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:25,539 Speaker 1: getting married, like lots of fiances and wives and husbands. Yeah, definitely. 27 00:01:25,550 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: He 28 00:01:25,730 --> 00:01:27,709 Speaker 2: was approaching her thirties. Yes. 29 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:29,949 Speaker 1: Two more years. Can I say something like this is 30 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,669 Speaker 1: like my first time saying that I'm single on such 31 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,869 Speaker 1: a public platform that will live on the internet forever. 32 00:01:35,879 --> 00:01:37,540 Speaker 1: How do you feel about that? I don't know, 33 00:01:37,584 --> 00:01:40,004 Speaker 1: you know how I feel anxious a little bit. Like 34 00:01:40,014 --> 00:01:42,084 Speaker 1: my heart is beating, not out of my chest. It's 35 00:01:42,095 --> 00:01:46,394 Speaker 1: like beating very gently. Like, OK, let's do this. We'll 36 00:01:46,404 --> 00:01:47,385 Speaker 1: ease into it. We are 37 00:01:47,394 --> 00:01:48,805 Speaker 2: honored to be 38 00:01:49,035 --> 00:01:52,345 Speaker 1: the platform. Yes. Yeah, that you are. Thank you. Thanks 39 00:01:52,355 --> 00:01:53,805 Speaker 1: for having me. I think it's quite interesting that you 40 00:01:53,815 --> 00:01:55,535 Speaker 1: mentioned that because it seems like and we will get 41 00:01:55,544 --> 00:01:57,925 Speaker 1: into that in a bit as well. But like relationship 42 00:01:57,934 --> 00:01:59,404 Speaker 1: status is something that 43 00:02:00,250 --> 00:02:02,930 Speaker 1: it seems like it's very personal and like people are 44 00:02:02,940 --> 00:02:05,459 Speaker 1: a bit unsure, like how should I got this? Especially 45 00:02:05,470 --> 00:02:08,869 Speaker 1: when you are in the spotlight like yourself. Yeah. I mean, 46 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,109 Speaker 1: for if you are new to the podcast, jo and 47 00:02:12,119 --> 00:02:13,630 Speaker 1: I are very boring. We are married as you know, 48 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:14,750 Speaker 1: to each other. We, 49 00:02:15,190 --> 00:02:16,910 Speaker 2: we need to clarify this every episode. 50 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,110 Speaker 1: You know, you have new listeners every episode. Yes. Do clarify. 51 00:02:21,119 --> 00:02:25,509 Speaker 1: We are separately married to like other people. Yeah, I 52 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:26,820 Speaker 1: heard you guys said it in many, 53 00:02:28,690 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: you know what's funny because the title you just said 54 00:02:30,449 --> 00:02:35,619 Speaker 1: around your married friends were literally around, around the, and 55 00:02:35,630 --> 00:02:39,910 Speaker 1: you are single for five years. That's a long time. 56 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,860 Speaker 1: I mean, I've dated around, but officially single for five years. 57 00:02:42,869 --> 00:02:44,978 Speaker 1: I haven't been in a relationship since, for five years. 58 00:02:44,990 --> 00:02:46,460 Speaker 1: There has not been someone that you'd be like, this 59 00:02:46,470 --> 00:02:46,910 Speaker 1: is my boyfriend. 60 00:02:47,434 --> 00:02:52,264 Speaker 1: Correct? Not, not in that tone but this one, my boyfriend, 61 00:02:52,274 --> 00:02:54,955 Speaker 1: this one, my boyfriend or like, I haven't been in 62 00:02:54,964 --> 00:02:59,994 Speaker 1: love since then. Only infatuated for a little bit. Ok. Bye. 63 00:03:00,005 --> 00:03:03,895 Speaker 1: How about you, Maggie? Oh, I'm very single. My God. 64 00:03:03,904 --> 00:03:07,985 Speaker 1: So weird saying that. And I'm also not looking like 65 00:03:07,994 --> 00:03:10,494 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm in this phase of my life where, 66 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:12,970 Speaker 1: you know what? I, I have never been single for 67 00:03:12,979 --> 00:03:15,020 Speaker 1: a long time. Like when I was younger I'm always 68 00:03:15,029 --> 00:03:20,009 Speaker 1: hopping hoping into relationship relationship. No. Really? I was, I 69 00:03:20,020 --> 00:03:26,389 Speaker 1: call it the serial relationship. I think you and Joey 70 00:03:26,399 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 1: and me are quite similar. Really? So before you got married, 71 00:03:29,538 --> 00:03:34,669 Speaker 1: you love love. Oh, love. I'm a lover. Like love, love, love. 72 00:03:35,779 --> 00:03:37,889 Speaker 1: Like when you're single you just want to be love. 73 00:03:37,899 --> 00:03:40,649 Speaker 1: Like they said, oh my God. Yeah. But not anymore. 74 00:03:40,660 --> 00:03:42,630 Speaker 1: I used to be like that when I was single. 75 00:03:42,639 --> 00:03:47,130 Speaker 1: Maybe at 21. I, I'm just the moment I'm out. 76 00:03:47,139 --> 00:03:49,630 Speaker 1: I'm ready. Who wants me in like, you know what 77 00:03:49,639 --> 00:03:52,380 Speaker 1: I mean? Like right away I will be seeking and seeking. 78 00:03:52,860 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: I was speaking with an empty heart and I always 79 00:03:56,250 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: meet the wrong people. I get my hearts broken so 80 00:03:59,369 --> 00:04:02,009 Speaker 1: many times. Silly me, I 81 00:04:02,020 --> 00:04:04,339 Speaker 2: feel like you're in such an exciting space because you're 82 00:04:04,350 --> 00:04:07,029 Speaker 2: learning to like fall in love with yourself over and 83 00:04:07,039 --> 00:04:07,979 Speaker 2: over and over again. 84 00:04:08,199 --> 00:04:10,380 Speaker 1: You never got to do. And I know, you know 85 00:04:10,389 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 1: what I never knew I could do. Right? Honestly, because 86 00:04:13,729 --> 00:04:14,678 Speaker 1: do you feel the way? 87 00:04:14,990 --> 00:04:18,670 Speaker 1: I think I've always yearned or wanted to fall in love? 88 00:04:18,678 --> 00:04:20,269 Speaker 1: Like you said that the three of you guys are 89 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,380 Speaker 1: more similar, right? But I've always wanted to be in love. Oh, sorry, sorry, 90 00:04:23,470 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: sorry for leaving you out. 91 00:04:26,850 --> 00:04:27,899 Speaker 1: He was a love, love. 92 00:04:29,089 --> 00:04:32,149 Speaker 1: I want, I want. But I think for me it's 93 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,269 Speaker 1: similar to what you just said for your early twenties, 94 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,750 Speaker 1: for example, like I got my heart broken quite a 95 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,950 Speaker 1: few times and then I'm more guarded in that sense 96 00:04:41,029 --> 00:04:44,089 Speaker 1: and we talked about this in one episode. Where are 97 00:04:44,100 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: we in the market? Are we like looking or we 98 00:04:46,890 --> 00:04:53,190 Speaker 1: like buying groceries? I'm strolling through the market, you know? Right. Right. No, 99 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,308 Speaker 1: my door is close. Not even going to look at home. 100 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:55,790 Speaker 1: You at home 101 00:04:56,345 --> 00:04:59,844 Speaker 1: people drop off groceries but I don't take the groceries. 102 00:04:59,945 --> 00:05:02,765 Speaker 1: I leave it to, I don't care, I'm not interested 103 00:05:02,774 --> 00:05:09,484 Speaker 1: in you. See, I never order wrong. Delivery. Ok. So 104 00:05:09,494 --> 00:05:12,994 Speaker 1: since we're talking about single food, right? There's this really threat. 105 00:05:13,005 --> 00:05:15,714 Speaker 1: Let's just start with that. Ok. Sure. I love your 106 00:05:15,725 --> 00:05:19,885 Speaker 1: ready threat. So good. So the topic says so is 107 00:05:19,894 --> 00:05:22,605 Speaker 1: being single in your thirties, the wasteland, everyone makes it 108 00:05:22,613 --> 00:05:23,445 Speaker 1: out to be 109 00:05:24,209 --> 00:05:28,670 Speaker 1: the waste land. Everyone makes it out to be. Someone replied, 110 00:05:28,678 --> 00:05:32,549 Speaker 1: it's a wasteland for women. It's an oasis for men provided. 111 00:05:32,559 --> 00:05:34,459 Speaker 1: You've got your shit together. If you take care of 112 00:05:34,470 --> 00:05:37,630 Speaker 1: your body, earning decent stable bank, you're fishing with dynamite 113 00:05:38,089 --> 00:05:41,959 Speaker 1: for men. OK. Let's start off with. Do you think 114 00:05:41,970 --> 00:05:44,549 Speaker 1: that it is a wasteland? Not at all because you 115 00:05:44,559 --> 00:05:47,019 Speaker 1: can still be in a relationship and not be happy 116 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:49,868 Speaker 1: and just can't wait to divorce and wish you didn't 117 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:51,738 Speaker 1: get married so soon. So like who are we to 118 00:05:51,750 --> 00:05:53,070 Speaker 1: say it is a wasteland just because you're, 119 00:05:53,363 --> 00:05:55,265 Speaker 1: if you choose to be single, that's not a bad thing. 120 00:05:55,674 --> 00:05:59,285 Speaker 1: The KL dating pool good. Actually, I don't know. I'm 121 00:05:59,295 --> 00:06:01,404 Speaker 1: not really looking. So I don't know. But guys, if 122 00:06:01,415 --> 00:06:03,125 Speaker 1: you know, let me know in the comments down below. 123 00:06:03,635 --> 00:06:06,984 Speaker 1: Q says it's a rough time in Singapore. Really? I 124 00:06:06,994 --> 00:06:09,904 Speaker 1: think it's I'm not sure if I've been to Singaporean man. 125 00:06:09,915 --> 00:06:17,575 Speaker 1: No offense. No, it's OK. I just, I had a 126 00:06:17,584 --> 00:06:21,135 Speaker 1: bad experience. That's why really bad experience. We 127 00:06:21,144 --> 00:06:21,984 Speaker 2: do not claim him. 128 00:06:23,500 --> 00:06:27,269 Speaker 1: Don't you do not revoke the passport? 129 00:06:29,290 --> 00:06:32,700 Speaker 1: OK. So I always describe it as it's rough out there. 130 00:06:32,709 --> 00:06:36,010 Speaker 1: Only because I think it's harder to date these days. 131 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:41,250 Speaker 1: The paradox of choice dating apps, I think everyone always 132 00:06:41,260 --> 00:06:44,769 Speaker 1: says I don't chase, I attract. If everyone don't chase, right, 133 00:06:44,779 --> 00:06:49,269 Speaker 1: then you get together. Is that mentality that a lot 134 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,209 Speaker 1: of people have, which is great because it's a very 135 00:06:51,220 --> 00:06:55,570 Speaker 1: empowering mentality, right? But it makes you be passive also, right? 136 00:06:55,730 --> 00:06:58,049 Speaker 1: And everyone passive then you're right. No one is doing 137 00:06:58,059 --> 00:06:58,609 Speaker 1: the work, right? 138 00:06:58,619 --> 00:07:02,380 Speaker 2: But it's interesting what you're saying, like we were talking 139 00:07:02,390 --> 00:07:03,649 Speaker 2: about this and I just thought of something 140 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,750 Speaker 2: people are choosing themselves now. But most of the time 141 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,609 Speaker 2: if you say, oh, I've been single for so long. 142 00:07:10,619 --> 00:07:14,250 Speaker 2: So and so, right? The elderly will say, yeah, you 143 00:07:14,260 --> 00:07:16,850 Speaker 2: need to drop your standards are like, oh my God, 144 00:07:16,980 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 2: you or must be, you ask too much. 145 00:07:20,070 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, why should we lower them 146 00:07:22,049 --> 00:07:24,220 Speaker 1: to find or they will say find a rich man 147 00:07:24,230 --> 00:07:26,329 Speaker 1: or like just find a good man. Decent man can 148 00:07:26,339 --> 00:07:30,230 Speaker 1: already so easy. I feel like also, especially with the 149 00:07:30,239 --> 00:07:33,130 Speaker 1: older generation. Sometimes they also judge that like all these people, 150 00:07:33,140 --> 00:07:37,049 Speaker 1: they like partying, they like having fun, they cannot settle 151 00:07:37,059 --> 00:07:39,010 Speaker 1: down with one guy or girl. 152 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 2: They always assume that it's a problem that lies with you. 153 00:07:42,649 --> 00:07:45,529 Speaker 2: Like is it like you cannot let that girls guys 154 00:07:45,540 --> 00:07:47,929 Speaker 2: don't like this kind of thing. I've been told before like, 155 00:07:47,940 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 2: oh you shouldn't 156 00:07:50,049 --> 00:07:52,540 Speaker 2: dress the way you dress or you got tattoos like that? 157 00:07:52,549 --> 00:07:56,329 Speaker 2: Or your piercings? You sure. Next time your husband won't mind, 158 00:07:56,690 --> 00:07:58,609 Speaker 2: I'm like, then he won't marry me. What if he minds? 159 00:07:58,619 --> 00:07:59,959 Speaker 2: That's not my problem. Right. 160 00:07:59,970 --> 00:08:02,359 Speaker 1: Actually, then is there a difference between, like, do people 161 00:08:02,369 --> 00:08:05,420 Speaker 1: look at single men in their thirties, differently from single 162 00:08:05,429 --> 00:08:10,119 Speaker 1: women in their ma maybe they would think that the 163 00:08:10,130 --> 00:08:14,279 Speaker 1: man is now a very eligible bachelor. But would they 164 00:08:14,290 --> 00:08:16,869 Speaker 1: look at a woman in the thirties the same way? 165 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:18,279 Speaker 1: Probably not really, 166 00:08:18,393 --> 00:08:19,342 Speaker 1: let's be honest, they 167 00:08:19,363 --> 00:08:23,453 Speaker 2: see her as expired then you can't give birth. 168 00:08:23,463 --> 00:08:25,553 Speaker 1: So it really is how you portray yourself. I'm really 169 00:08:25,562 --> 00:08:27,412 Speaker 1: trying to break the narrative right now with the work 170 00:08:27,423 --> 00:08:29,483 Speaker 1: that I do, like the content that I put out 171 00:08:29,493 --> 00:08:32,482 Speaker 1: and like my podcast with the conversations that we are having. 172 00:08:32,763 --> 00:08:35,653 Speaker 1: I I really hope that more people because because of 173 00:08:35,663 --> 00:08:37,322 Speaker 1: this fear, I feel like a lot of people stay 174 00:08:37,333 --> 00:08:40,043 Speaker 1: in bad relationships. That's true. I think that 175 00:08:40,145 --> 00:08:42,885 Speaker 1: kid thing is the main difference because like, what do 176 00:08:42,895 --> 00:08:44,995 Speaker 1: you mean if you, if you are a lady, right? 177 00:08:45,005 --> 00:08:48,166 Speaker 1: Or woman, right? Then there is this notion that like 178 00:08:48,176 --> 00:08:52,306 Speaker 1: you need to settle down because optimal like birthing years, 179 00:08:52,315 --> 00:08:56,726 Speaker 1: right is like your time you no later than 35. 180 00:08:57,015 --> 00:08:58,694 Speaker 1: So they expect you to like by the time you 181 00:08:58,705 --> 00:09:01,276 Speaker 1: are 30 to be like settled down anywhere. As a 182 00:09:01,285 --> 00:09:03,285 Speaker 1: guy I have heard of like, 183 00:09:03,809 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: like friends who are in their early thirties and then 184 00:09:05,890 --> 00:09:07,770 Speaker 1: they say I'm single, focusing on my career, right? What? 185 00:09:07,780 --> 00:09:10,819 Speaker 1: Nobody bets an eye. This guy gonna be up there 186 00:09:10,830 --> 00:09:11,890 Speaker 1: gonna be CEO next 187 00:09:11,900 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 2: time. Speaking of that, a man in his thirties, prioritizing 188 00:09:15,450 --> 00:09:19,049 Speaker 2: his career is seen as like a successful, like driven man, 189 00:09:19,190 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 2: but a woman who prioritizes her career, seen as power hungry, 190 00:09:22,650 --> 00:09:25,409 Speaker 2: bossy or like too difficult to do it. That's why 191 00:09:25,419 --> 00:09:28,539 Speaker 2: you are boss because you cannot listen. Like why is 192 00:09:28,549 --> 00:09:30,949 Speaker 2: there this disparity? I don't understand that. Then 193 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:32,669 Speaker 1: that brings me to another point, right? 194 00:09:32,919 --> 00:09:36,489 Speaker 1: Which is, is it because our parents generation, right? They 195 00:09:36,500 --> 00:09:40,530 Speaker 1: more tolerant of being in a miserable relationship. Yes. Yeah. 196 00:09:40,539 --> 00:09:40,819 Speaker 1: For 197 00:09:40,830 --> 00:09:43,659 Speaker 2: sure. So I was speaking to a friend about this 198 00:09:43,669 --> 00:09:48,989 Speaker 2: and she basically found out that her husband cheated on 199 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,179 Speaker 2: her and she went to 200 00:09:51,335 --> 00:09:56,034 Speaker 2: his mom about it and his mom said, I, you know, 201 00:09:56,234 --> 00:09:59,065 Speaker 2: back then when I was younger, uncle also cheated on me. 202 00:09:59,075 --> 00:10:01,554 Speaker 2: But what can I do? I'm a woman. All I 203 00:10:01,565 --> 00:10:03,424 Speaker 2: can do is stay at home. I wait for him 204 00:10:03,434 --> 00:10:05,835 Speaker 2: to come home and make sure dinner's on the table. 205 00:10:06,015 --> 00:10:08,655 Speaker 2: And I got very angry at first. But the more 206 00:10:08,664 --> 00:10:09,515 Speaker 2: we think about it, 207 00:10:10,039 --> 00:10:13,299 Speaker 2: she never had access to education. She has no money 208 00:10:13,309 --> 00:10:15,559 Speaker 2: or education to fight for herself or fend for herself, 209 00:10:15,570 --> 00:10:18,500 Speaker 2: let alone, like even after the divorce and then she 210 00:10:18,510 --> 00:10:22,460 Speaker 2: will lose everything. So I think it's very different and 211 00:10:22,469 --> 00:10:23,859 Speaker 2: for us now to look back, I'm like, Well, I 212 00:10:23,869 --> 00:10:27,409 Speaker 2: cannot imagine that because she's trying a lot, like, reason 213 00:10:27,419 --> 00:10:29,250 Speaker 2: with my friends saying, like, you know, 214 00:10:29,429 --> 00:10:32,330 Speaker 2: does he still give you money or like, does he 215 00:10:32,340 --> 00:10:34,969 Speaker 2: still take you out to dinner? If he does then 216 00:10:34,979 --> 00:10:37,429 Speaker 2: just keep quiet, you want your life to change, like 217 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,309 Speaker 2: you want to ruin such a happy marriage. But the 218 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 2: happy marriage is outside. 219 00:10:41,510 --> 00:10:44,569 Speaker 1: It's an exterior facade. Yeah. I mean, I guess our 220 00:10:44,580 --> 00:10:47,820 Speaker 1: generation is trying to break that cycle. Yeah. We, I mean, 221 00:10:47,830 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 1: for women 222 00:10:49,030 --> 00:10:52,450 Speaker 1: back then the life trajectory is always like, just be 223 00:10:52,460 --> 00:10:55,299 Speaker 1: a housewife. But I think now more so than ever, 224 00:10:55,309 --> 00:10:58,500 Speaker 1: we are more in control of our careers. That's why 225 00:10:58,510 --> 00:10:59,549 Speaker 1: there's a difference 226 00:11:00,010 --> 00:11:03,789 Speaker 1: in this generation, I guess. Do you feel the pressure 227 00:11:04,090 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: right now since you're 31? Right. Yes. 31. No, I 228 00:11:08,010 --> 00:11:09,849 Speaker 1: don't feel the pressure right now. In fact, I feel 229 00:11:09,859 --> 00:11:12,820 Speaker 1: so liberated. What about family and friends? My mom was 230 00:11:12,830 --> 00:11:16,159 Speaker 1: a little, like, shocked at first and then shortly, a 231 00:11:16,169 --> 00:11:17,869 Speaker 1: few months later. So when you're going to get married, 232 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,218 Speaker 1: I'm like mom, stop it. I come from a broken family. 233 00:11:20,229 --> 00:11:22,939 Speaker 1: My mom gave birth to me when she's like, I 234 00:11:22,950 --> 00:11:27,150 Speaker 1: think 23. But, you know, unfortunately her marriage didn't work out. 235 00:11:27,590 --> 00:11:28,539 Speaker 1: So I 236 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,500 Speaker 1: really kind of like, educated her. I wasn't really like 237 00:11:30,510 --> 00:11:33,159 Speaker 1: scolding her and mom. Think about it. Like it was 238 00:11:33,169 --> 00:11:35,329 Speaker 1: a three way conversation between me. My mom and my sister, 239 00:11:35,340 --> 00:11:38,799 Speaker 1: my sister is also single. Like mom, you weren't in 240 00:11:38,809 --> 00:11:41,770 Speaker 1: a happy marriage. Look at you. We were like, look 241 00:11:41,780 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: at you. She's like, yeah. Yeah. Then you slowly find 242 00:11:45,700 --> 00:11:52,219 Speaker 1: you have King. It's true at some point. But of course, 243 00:11:52,229 --> 00:11:54,359 Speaker 1: it took my mom many years to learn that and 244 00:11:54,369 --> 00:11:56,979 Speaker 1: if no one ever told her, give her some story 245 00:11:56,989 --> 00:11:57,119 Speaker 1: to 246 00:11:57,270 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: picture it for her, she wouldn't understand perspective. Perspective. Exactly. So, 247 00:12:01,580 --> 00:12:03,750 Speaker 1: I'm glad my mom now no longer kind of chase 248 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,900 Speaker 1: me for it. She's like happy or not. I'm a good, 249 00:12:06,239 --> 00:12:10,010 Speaker 1: I'm happy. That's true. But having said that, sorry, there 250 00:12:10,020 --> 00:12:13,570 Speaker 1: is one thing that I agree for little. I've always 251 00:12:13,580 --> 00:12:17,669 Speaker 1: wanted to be a young married person without kids yet. 252 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,650 Speaker 1: Like I want to be married for like 23 years, 253 00:12:20,659 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: like our honeymoon for as long as we want our 254 00:12:22,409 --> 00:12:25,809 Speaker 1: kids first and then plan for plan for that. But 255 00:12:25,900 --> 00:12:28,429 Speaker 1: I do think that if I plan to have, be 256 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:32,429 Speaker 1: single for maybe a year more or two, then if 257 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,489 Speaker 1: I want to be in a relationship, I don't think 258 00:12:34,500 --> 00:12:37,718 Speaker 1: I can just be too carefree for too long because my, 259 00:12:37,729 --> 00:12:41,069 Speaker 1: my womb's time is ticking. Not me. Right. Actually, I 260 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,539 Speaker 1: do have one of my aunts, right. She gave birth 261 00:12:44,630 --> 00:12:49,179 Speaker 1: at I think 48 and her pregnancy was super smooth. 262 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,409 Speaker 1: That's awesome. No mood swings. No, like physical pains and 263 00:12:52,419 --> 00:12:54,429 Speaker 1: things like that. Right. Possible though because sorry, 264 00:12:54,750 --> 00:12:57,929 Speaker 1: menopause is also around that age. So after that kid, right? 265 00:12:57,940 --> 00:13:00,909 Speaker 1: Two years after she gave birth menopause. But then she 266 00:13:00,919 --> 00:13:03,409 Speaker 1: managed to just like, sneak it in. But then she 267 00:13:03,419 --> 00:13:06,979 Speaker 1: was super like, fit and healthy like, throughout. So she 268 00:13:06,989 --> 00:13:09,409 Speaker 1: really takes care of herself. Eats well, exercise a lot. 269 00:13:09,419 --> 00:13:11,890 Speaker 1: Her third trimester, she went to like climb a mountain, 270 00:13:12,580 --> 00:13:12,739 Speaker 1: but it's 271 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:13,419 Speaker 2: really yj, 272 00:13:13,700 --> 00:13:19,380 Speaker 1: what's his family? And then like, I thought 273 00:13:21,619 --> 00:13:25,700 Speaker 1: a confinement, right? She confinement like two or three weeks, 274 00:13:25,710 --> 00:13:29,289 Speaker 1: then like four weeks go and climb another mountain already. Yeah. 275 00:13:29,380 --> 00:13:31,710 Speaker 1: So I think the main takeaway here is to not 276 00:13:31,719 --> 00:13:34,299 Speaker 1: rush into it just for the sake of it. And 277 00:13:34,309 --> 00:13:36,929 Speaker 1: meanwhile all you can do really is to take care 278 00:13:36,940 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: of yourself and your own health to make sure that 279 00:13:39,010 --> 00:13:42,669 Speaker 1: like you really like prep yourself or give yourself the 280 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,340 Speaker 1: best odds biologically, 281 00:13:45,590 --> 00:13:47,700 Speaker 2: I think every, every time we think about 282 00:13:48,005 --> 00:13:51,343 Speaker 2: like ideal situations, we forget that it's ideal. But in 283 00:13:51,354 --> 00:13:53,784 Speaker 2: an ideal world, I mean, I also say I wanted 284 00:13:53,794 --> 00:13:56,044 Speaker 2: to get married by 25 my first kid by 30 285 00:13:56,135 --> 00:13:58,454 Speaker 2: I'm like 30 in two years and I'm not even 286 00:13:58,635 --> 00:14:01,684 Speaker 2: ready to move to my final destination yet, eventually I 287 00:14:01,695 --> 00:14:04,544 Speaker 2: want to move to the US. Like there's so much 288 00:14:04,554 --> 00:14:08,465 Speaker 2: that obviously what could have been. But realistically, we wouldn't 289 00:14:08,474 --> 00:14:12,294 Speaker 2: be where we are today at this point in realization 290 00:14:12,304 --> 00:14:12,804 Speaker 2: in your mental 291 00:14:13,039 --> 00:14:17,719 Speaker 2: space, like without all the sequence of events, it's good 292 00:14:17,729 --> 00:14:19,849 Speaker 2: to think back and be like, OK, this is where 293 00:14:19,859 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 2: I want to be. But I think ideal situations are 294 00:14:22,890 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 2: just that they are ideal. But the hypothetical and give 295 00:14:26,090 --> 00:14:29,489 Speaker 1: space for reality to take care, you got to do that, right? 296 00:14:29,530 --> 00:14:31,260 Speaker 1: So it is at the back of my head not 297 00:14:31,270 --> 00:14:33,539 Speaker 1: gonna lie. I'm not like, oh my God, I'm ok 298 00:14:33,549 --> 00:14:36,020 Speaker 1: if I'm single forever, like I, at some point I 299 00:14:36,030 --> 00:14:37,849 Speaker 1: may feel lonely, but now 300 00:14:38,054 --> 00:14:40,844 Speaker 1: not yet. So I'm really fully embracing it. I don't 301 00:14:40,854 --> 00:14:43,505 Speaker 1: want to keep worrying about the future when and not 302 00:14:43,515 --> 00:14:46,864 Speaker 1: being able to enjoy this current present time. This season 303 00:14:46,875 --> 00:14:50,005 Speaker 1: that I'm in. There's no point, right? Because Maggie is 304 00:14:50,015 --> 00:14:52,395 Speaker 1: recently single while I've been single for quite some time. 305 00:14:52,405 --> 00:14:55,655 Speaker 1: So I do think that my want or the need 306 00:14:55,664 --> 00:14:58,835 Speaker 1: for a relationship is larger definitely. But not because I 307 00:14:58,844 --> 00:15:01,315 Speaker 1: feel like I need to be dependent on someone else. 308 00:15:01,544 --> 00:15:04,174 Speaker 1: But going back to your point about whether friends and 309 00:15:04,184 --> 00:15:07,335 Speaker 1: family say things right? I think recently my aunt did 310 00:15:07,344 --> 00:15:07,794 Speaker 1: mention 311 00:15:08,229 --> 00:15:16,719 Speaker 1: so, ok, I didn't know no boyfriend, you know, like 312 00:15:16,729 --> 00:15:19,150 Speaker 1: when you're getting married, I just replied her that it's 313 00:15:19,159 --> 00:15:21,700 Speaker 1: very hard to find a good partner these days. And 314 00:15:21,710 --> 00:15:25,789 Speaker 1: then she surprisingly, my mom and my aunt both said that, yeah, 315 00:15:25,799 --> 00:15:28,780 Speaker 1: just take your time. You rather than you should marry 316 00:15:28,789 --> 00:15:29,469 Speaker 1: the right person. 317 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: Very wrong. Maybe because they got learning lessons. Why is 318 00:15:33,669 --> 00:15:39,059 Speaker 1: it on Tik Tok? My mother doing this? Yeah. But 319 00:15:39,070 --> 00:15:40,789 Speaker 1: I think for my friends, right? One thing that I 320 00:15:40,799 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: noticed is that whenever we meet and have sometimes my 321 00:15:44,530 --> 00:15:47,770 Speaker 1: friends will start off the conversation with you dating or not. 322 00:15:48,650 --> 00:15:52,969 Speaker 1: I am their friend. I am a serial like like Matchmaker. 323 00:15:53,119 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: Give an alternate opening opening line. Are you happy? 324 00:15:57,489 --> 00:16:00,229 Speaker 1: How are you doing? I saw, yeah, I saw that. 325 00:16:00,239 --> 00:16:04,190 Speaker 1: So I was like, why? Because why, why is my 326 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,369 Speaker 1: identity tied to someone else? Yeah. Yeah. And I think 327 00:16:07,380 --> 00:16:09,950 Speaker 1: sometimes you're just not in a mood to talk, to 328 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,150 Speaker 1: talk about your dating life, like maybe something just recently ended, right? 329 00:16:13,159 --> 00:16:15,140 Speaker 1: And then you bringing up 330 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,700 Speaker 1: that sad story or like just bring up the fact 331 00:16:18,710 --> 00:16:21,700 Speaker 1: that about relationship can trigger certain things. So the day 332 00:16:21,710 --> 00:16:23,700 Speaker 1: I was thinking about it, like, actually why I always 333 00:16:23,710 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: ask people, I think you answer, it's also because like, 334 00:16:29,450 --> 00:16:32,809 Speaker 1: I think as someone who is so, so like attached, right? 335 00:16:32,820 --> 00:16:34,700 Speaker 1: Or so in a relationship, right? 336 00:16:35,020 --> 00:16:38,239 Speaker 1: I just curious, like, what, what like this other side 337 00:16:38,250 --> 00:16:41,130 Speaker 1: of the world is like, like, I don't need to 338 00:16:41,140 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: go and like, oh, I want to date for myself. 339 00:16:42,650 --> 00:16:43,849 Speaker 1: But then I was just like, curious, oh, why is 340 00:16:43,859 --> 00:16:46,239 Speaker 1: the dating pool like now, what are the experiences that 341 00:16:46,250 --> 00:16:47,919 Speaker 1: single people are having and things like that 342 00:16:49,570 --> 00:16:55,989 Speaker 1: question? How important is your partner's dating history to you? 343 00:16:56,700 --> 00:16:59,619 Speaker 1: This is good. I think it's important to me. I 344 00:16:59,630 --> 00:17:00,489 Speaker 1: need to know 345 00:17:00,909 --> 00:17:04,020 Speaker 1: what kind of person he has been. He was before 346 00:17:04,030 --> 00:17:07,069 Speaker 1: he is with me now. How many relationships, how they 347 00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:09,619 Speaker 1: break up? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Why you break up? Important? 348 00:17:09,630 --> 00:17:12,739 Speaker 1: Why you break up? You cheated? Who cheated before? What 349 00:17:12,810 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: is important in a romantic relationship? Do you think opposites 350 00:17:16,369 --> 00:17:20,810 Speaker 1: attract for me? Yes, I always attract the opposite. Opposite 351 00:17:20,819 --> 00:17:20,849 Speaker 1: of 352 00:17:20,859 --> 00:17:21,599 Speaker 2: Q, I try to, 353 00:17:21,698 --> 00:17:23,838 Speaker 1: I think more introverted men was 354 00:17:23,848 --> 00:17:26,678 Speaker 2: the best loud girl. Plus quiet boy. They see, like, 355 00:17:26,688 --> 00:17:29,619 Speaker 1: like your relationship. Yeah. I think I should end up 356 00:17:29,629 --> 00:17:34,499 Speaker 1: with a quiet boy. Quiet boys. Hit me up, whisper 357 00:17:34,638 --> 00:17:37,798 Speaker 1: to her whisper. We see nothing just getting it from 358 00:17:37,808 --> 00:17:40,698 Speaker 1: Sang to kl wherever you're at. Who 359 00:17:40,708 --> 00:17:42,308 Speaker 2: is someone you admire? 360 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:47,469 Speaker 2: Sarah? We stand up woman. Superwoman give context. I will 361 00:17:47,479 --> 00:17:52,659 Speaker 2: check her out. She's a w everything, multifaceted, everything. She's 362 00:17:52,670 --> 00:17:53,630 Speaker 1: a musician and 363 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:58,688 Speaker 2: fits, she fits for music like house also. Very nice. 364 00:17:59,170 --> 00:18:01,389 Speaker 2: Very good with cat. Cat. Yeah. 365 00:18:02,290 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: What makes your partner a keeper? I think she pull 366 00:18:05,650 --> 00:18:06,300 Speaker 1: out with me. 367 00:18:09,300 --> 00:18:10,228 Speaker 1: She put, 368 00:18:11,510 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: she put out. But it doesn't make sense. Only one 369 00:18:25,369 --> 00:18:27,839 Speaker 1: person per hour like 123. 370 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,609 Speaker 1: What makes your partner a keeper? The fact that she 371 00:18:35,619 --> 00:18:42,069 Speaker 1: puts up with me as they can attest. Not, not easy, 372 00:18:42,079 --> 00:18:42,609 Speaker 1: a lot to 373 00:18:42,619 --> 00:18:43,329 Speaker 2: put up with. 374 00:18:43,859 --> 00:18:46,829 Speaker 1: I mean, I just met you guys today. You sound 375 00:18:46,839 --> 00:18:49,810 Speaker 1: like a decent guy. That's what I say. But he's 376 00:18:49,819 --> 00:18:53,619 Speaker 2: really a great guy but we just like messing with him. Yeah. Right. 377 00:18:53,630 --> 00:18:54,449 Speaker 2: Because he can handle it. 378 00:18:55,829 --> 00:18:57,699 Speaker 1: OK? I think if in your friend group, all of 379 00:18:57,709 --> 00:19:01,218 Speaker 1: you are single then quite fun, right? Everybody like, ok, 380 00:19:01,290 --> 00:19:02,770 Speaker 1: I went out with this guy, that kind of thing. 381 00:19:02,780 --> 00:19:05,310 Speaker 1: Good drinks at night. Yeah. And then like some guy 382 00:19:05,319 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: buy you like someone a drink, like quite fun, that 383 00:19:07,290 --> 00:19:09,369 Speaker 1: kind of thing. But then the only one when you are, 384 00:19:09,380 --> 00:19:11,130 Speaker 1: the only one, right? How does that make you feel? 385 00:19:11,140 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: And what are certain scenarios where like you may not 386 00:19:13,930 --> 00:19:16,329 Speaker 1: have been happy with? Or you think that actually, ok, 387 00:19:16,420 --> 00:19:19,199 Speaker 1: you know, I've got a friend, shout out that my, 388 00:19:19,209 --> 00:19:20,409 Speaker 1: my really, really good friend, 389 00:19:20,750 --> 00:19:23,069 Speaker 1: you know, she was single for like three years before 390 00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 1: she met her current one. She's older than me. So 391 00:19:24,930 --> 00:19:27,489 Speaker 1: she was also in her early thirties and I just 392 00:19:27,500 --> 00:19:30,660 Speaker 1: saw the way she took charge of her single life. 393 00:19:30,670 --> 00:19:32,839 Speaker 1: It inspired me so much. She's like, 394 00:19:33,189 --> 00:19:35,689 Speaker 1: it's all right, the right one will come and currently 395 00:19:35,699 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: she's in a very happy relationship. And if she really 396 00:19:38,569 --> 00:19:40,449 Speaker 1: took her time, she didn't rush, she wasn't even on 397 00:19:40,459 --> 00:19:43,479 Speaker 1: dating apps at all. I saw how she was so 398 00:19:43,489 --> 00:19:47,339 Speaker 1: steadfast and she really trusted the process. But for you 399 00:19:47,349 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: right now, like what you mentioned you are the only 400 00:19:49,650 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: single one. Then how do you feel about it? Has 401 00:19:52,170 --> 00:19:53,599 Speaker 1: that affected you in any way? You know what I 402 00:19:53,609 --> 00:19:56,540 Speaker 1: don't feel left out. In fact, my friends would include 403 00:19:56,550 --> 00:19:59,099 Speaker 1: me in all the activities and like all outings like, 404 00:19:59,109 --> 00:20:00,910 Speaker 1: they make me feel included on the flip side, I 405 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:01,739 Speaker 1: think for me 406 00:20:02,250 --> 00:20:05,989 Speaker 1: sometimes I do get a little bit sad because especially 407 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,339 Speaker 1: with some friend groups where everyone is attached. Right. And 408 00:20:09,349 --> 00:20:12,430 Speaker 1: then when we have like New Year's Eve gathering, they 409 00:20:12,439 --> 00:20:15,310 Speaker 1: all kissing their partner. And New Year Eve, you see, 410 00:20:15,319 --> 00:20:17,089 Speaker 1: I haven't reached there yet. So I will be 411 00:20:17,234 --> 00:20:22,214 Speaker 1: experiencing a lot of big holidays as a single person. 412 00:20:22,224 --> 00:20:25,155 Speaker 1: A lot of new experiences. I hope you feel self 413 00:20:25,165 --> 00:20:27,265 Speaker 1: assured and like happy and I booked myself a New 414 00:20:27,275 --> 00:20:29,264 Speaker 1: Year's Eve countdown because I don't want to celebrate on 415 00:20:29,275 --> 00:20:31,895 Speaker 1: my own. No, I'm hosting it so don't need I'm working. So, 416 00:20:34,265 --> 00:20:37,285 Speaker 2: yeah. Yeah. So Maggie, you mentioned that your doors are 417 00:20:37,474 --> 00:20:42,824 Speaker 2: shut closed, right? Is there something that happened or maybe 418 00:20:42,834 --> 00:20:44,514 Speaker 2: a realization that you had 419 00:20:44,959 --> 00:20:47,419 Speaker 2: to lead you to this state where you're like, you're 420 00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:50,129 Speaker 2: not pressured to find love or find someone. 421 00:20:50,180 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: So for the longest time, I was always jumping into relationships, 422 00:20:53,369 --> 00:20:57,579 Speaker 1: flings and like situationships and then relationships all over again. 423 00:20:57,589 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: I was never really truly single. So now that I'm 424 00:21:00,369 --> 00:21:02,859 Speaker 1: finally at this stage of my life, you've got more 425 00:21:02,869 --> 00:21:06,540 Speaker 1: autonomy of your own life. Like my career is finally 426 00:21:06,550 --> 00:21:08,099 Speaker 1: a place where I want it to be 427 00:21:08,500 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: like, I have so many things to celebrate relationship really 428 00:21:12,130 --> 00:21:15,209 Speaker 1: isn't my priority right now. In fact, I thought about 429 00:21:15,219 --> 00:21:17,300 Speaker 1: it the other day, I just had this reflection. I 430 00:21:17,310 --> 00:21:20,250 Speaker 1: was looking at my schedule. Praise the Lord. I'm Christian. Sorry. 431 00:21:20,420 --> 00:21:21,449 Speaker 1: Thank you JC. 432 00:21:21,719 --> 00:21:23,260 Speaker 2: Like space JJ. 433 00:21:23,859 --> 00:21:25,319 Speaker 1: Thank you JC for 434 00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:28,489 Speaker 1: blessing me with all these opportunities. Like, you know, like 435 00:21:28,500 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: I'm looking at my schedule like what even if I 436 00:21:30,369 --> 00:21:32,300 Speaker 1: want a date, I don't have the time. So it's 437 00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:34,790 Speaker 1: really happening at the right time for me. So I'm 438 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:38,060 Speaker 1: extremely blessed. But again, how long will this last? I 439 00:21:38,069 --> 00:21:39,938 Speaker 1: really don't know. In fact, I guess you guys are 440 00:21:39,949 --> 00:21:42,290 Speaker 1: picking me up on this hot pot at my, 441 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:48,050 Speaker 1: the peak of my happiness, my joyful season, very timely, 442 00:21:48,060 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 1: very timely long may continue for as long as you 443 00:21:51,459 --> 00:21:51,660 Speaker 1: want 444 00:21:54,550 --> 00:21:55,750 Speaker 2: with a ch and I 445 00:22:00,869 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: like the, 446 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,790 Speaker 1: but it's great that you have all this fulfillment in 447 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,180 Speaker 1: other aspects. I mean, the fact that you're so happy, 448 00:22:09,189 --> 00:22:12,479 Speaker 1: that means that everything else is giving like adding value 449 00:22:12,489 --> 00:22:14,579 Speaker 1: to your life. You know what I'm also excited about 450 00:22:14,589 --> 00:22:17,319 Speaker 1: because I'm finally here right now, a person that I've 451 00:22:17,329 --> 00:22:19,968 Speaker 1: never been before. I wonder what kind of people attract 452 00:22:19,979 --> 00:22:22,849 Speaker 1: this time. Do you know what I mean? Like for 453 00:22:22,859 --> 00:22:24,579 Speaker 1: the longest time, I kept attracting the wrong 454 00:22:24,675 --> 00:22:27,114 Speaker 1: people because it's true. I was not even fill my 455 00:22:27,125 --> 00:22:29,175 Speaker 1: own cup. I was just trying to drink from people's 456 00:22:29,185 --> 00:22:32,494 Speaker 1: cup or whatever, never focusing on myself. And now that 457 00:22:32,505 --> 00:22:35,875 Speaker 1: I finally am for this past couple of months, I 458 00:22:35,885 --> 00:22:38,375 Speaker 1: want it to last and hopefully that will really bring 459 00:22:38,385 --> 00:22:41,055 Speaker 1: me to a different route in life is the dating 460 00:22:41,074 --> 00:22:44,645 Speaker 1: pool in your thirties smaller. Definitely. Let's not lie. I 461 00:22:44,655 --> 00:22:47,564 Speaker 1: just went to a wedding the other day. Goodness, everybody 462 00:22:47,574 --> 00:22:48,915 Speaker 1: is married. What you did 463 00:22:49,290 --> 00:22:52,030 Speaker 1: younger? Because dating pool now in 30 smaller. Right. So, 464 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,810 Speaker 1: maybe need to, all my friends who are in their 465 00:22:53,819 --> 00:22:58,949 Speaker 1: early thirties are dating people in their late twenties, like twenties. Wow. So, 466 00:22:58,959 --> 00:23:00,810 Speaker 1: I think one thing that we have here. Right. Yeah, 467 00:23:00,819 --> 00:23:03,540 Speaker 1: it says young men generally don't want to date older 468 00:23:03,550 --> 00:23:07,140 Speaker 1: women and older women don't want to date younger men. Really? Wow. 469 00:23:07,150 --> 00:23:11,649 Speaker 1: I have only ever dated older women. Wait, you now, 470 00:23:11,780 --> 00:23:14,489 Speaker 1: she one year older, even when I was younger, right? 471 00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:16,270 Speaker 1: People ask me like, why is my, 472 00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:19,010 Speaker 1: the max? You would go, you go. Right. I think 473 00:23:19,150 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: like I can go 10 years when I was 22. 474 00:23:21,689 --> 00:23:24,369 Speaker 1: I would have definitely been OK with dating a 32 475 00:23:24,380 --> 00:23:26,530 Speaker 1: year old but 22 day, 40 a bit much, right? 476 00:23:26,540 --> 00:23:28,458 Speaker 1: 40 a bit much. I feel like it should be 477 00:23:28,469 --> 00:23:29,329 Speaker 1: too wise for me. 478 00:23:30,150 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: Then you feel inferior. Is it like you like the 479 00:23:34,010 --> 00:23:39,609 Speaker 1: life experience cannot means mummy, I go from the vibes 480 00:23:39,619 --> 00:23:41,959 Speaker 1: to the mummy vibes, you know? Ok. Would you date 481 00:23:41,979 --> 00:23:44,430 Speaker 1: someone younger? I've dated someone younger but one year younger 482 00:23:44,790 --> 00:23:47,839 Speaker 1: and my oldest is like almost a decade older. Same, same, same, 483 00:23:48,089 --> 00:23:52,530 Speaker 1: youngest was the right now right now. 28 still can 484 00:23:52,540 --> 00:23:56,089 Speaker 1: the bar. 25. Cannot you cannot, I really don't think 485 00:23:56,099 --> 00:23:57,869 Speaker 1: they have betrayed enough. They have really seen life and 486 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,189 Speaker 1: I was 25. I know where that is. I really 487 00:24:00,199 --> 00:24:02,030 Speaker 1: don't want to go back and waste my time if 488 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: I were to date again, I really want to date 489 00:24:03,689 --> 00:24:08,380 Speaker 1: to get married. Yes. And 25 I don't think. Yeah. Yeah. No, 490 00:24:08,439 --> 00:24:08,859 Speaker 1: I'm not 491 00:24:09,060 --> 00:24:12,109 Speaker 1: figuring themselves out, like, go live your life. Ok. Have 492 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,829 Speaker 1: fun just now. Just now. Maggie, you mentioned about attending weddings, right? 493 00:24:16,930 --> 00:24:19,900 Speaker 1: So how does it feel like to be single and 494 00:24:19,910 --> 00:24:23,060 Speaker 1: attending a wedding? I feel like most of us will 495 00:24:23,069 --> 00:24:26,790 Speaker 1: definitely be very, very happy for our friends are the couple, right? 496 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: But then is there a little bit of like bitterness, 497 00:24:29,530 --> 00:24:32,290 Speaker 1: not bitterness towards the couple of bitterness for the state 498 00:24:32,300 --> 00:24:33,209 Speaker 1: that you're in maybe? 499 00:24:33,630 --> 00:24:35,979 Speaker 1: Yeah. Like I wish when will it be my turn? 500 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,670 Speaker 1: I wish it was really a little bit of that. 501 00:24:38,829 --> 00:24:42,060 Speaker 1: But I would say the joy outweighs again like currently 502 00:24:42,069 --> 00:24:44,650 Speaker 1: I'm this good space, right? Good head space. But I'm 503 00:24:44,660 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: sure when I'm not feeling so great that thought will 504 00:24:47,290 --> 00:24:49,069 Speaker 1: come to mind. Like, why is it not me? Why 505 00:24:49,079 --> 00:24:51,979 Speaker 1: is it always not me? Right? Why do I always 506 00:24:51,989 --> 00:24:53,609 Speaker 1: meet the wrong people? Like all these kind of hit 507 00:24:53,949 --> 00:24:59,569 Speaker 1: thoughts does ruminate my mind but comes and goes. So agree. Yeah, 508 00:24:59,589 --> 00:25:01,020 Speaker 1: you you go wedding was set. 509 00:25:02,619 --> 00:25:05,188 Speaker 1: There were some weddings where I felt a little bit 510 00:25:05,199 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: of sadness. One was because it was so recent. I mean, 511 00:25:09,569 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: the breakup was recent, right? Ok. Then it hit me 512 00:25:12,650 --> 00:25:15,949 Speaker 1: that I, I will never have that. I mean, I 513 00:25:15,959 --> 00:25:18,369 Speaker 1: didn't really believe that I'll never have that, but it 514 00:25:18,380 --> 00:25:19,550 Speaker 1: just came to my mind. It just seems so 515 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,770 Speaker 2: far fetched in that moment. Like it's 516 00:25:21,780 --> 00:25:25,780 Speaker 1: not near anymore and then maybe in the recent years, 517 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:27,989 Speaker 1: not so much anymore. But I do, I do always 518 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,189 Speaker 1: feel like I wish that was me, you know, 519 00:25:30,869 --> 00:25:33,410 Speaker 1: ok, we've talked a lot about like how OK, being 520 00:25:33,420 --> 00:25:35,339 Speaker 1: single in your thirties, sometimes there's a lot of pressure 521 00:25:35,349 --> 00:25:37,599 Speaker 1: that you're facing and things like that. But on the 522 00:25:37,609 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: flip side, right, I'm always curious, are there any benefits 523 00:25:41,369 --> 00:25:44,310 Speaker 1: to being single in your thirties? It's so fun being 524 00:25:44,319 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: single now because I really don't need to rely last 525 00:25:46,369 --> 00:25:48,750 Speaker 1: time you need to move in with your boyfriend to 526 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: save on rent because you can't really pay for it 527 00:25:51,689 --> 00:25:53,698 Speaker 1: because it's true like in your early thirties or like 528 00:25:53,709 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 1: late twenties, that's when you start really earning and start 529 00:25:56,780 --> 00:26:00,290 Speaker 1: um owning your space in your own career, right? You 530 00:26:00,300 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: don't have that when you're 21 you're trying in twenties 531 00:26:04,170 --> 00:26:06,530 Speaker 1: is all about trying. 30 is really depends on the 532 00:26:06,540 --> 00:26:08,629 Speaker 1: work that you put in your twenties, right? So I 533 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: feel like I put in quite a lot of work 534 00:26:11,050 --> 00:26:14,540 Speaker 1: in my late twenties to, to be able to really 535 00:26:14,550 --> 00:26:17,930 Speaker 1: enjoy right now. So I do have her to think Yeah. 536 00:26:18,020 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: So actually it's quite interesting that like you mentioned that 537 00:26:20,369 --> 00:26:21,810 Speaker 1: because it means that right 538 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,770 Speaker 1: in your early twenties, you unable to really be fully 539 00:26:25,780 --> 00:26:28,579 Speaker 1: independent because of things like financial reasons and stuff like that. 540 00:26:28,599 --> 00:26:30,369 Speaker 1: Then that means that the people who have been in 541 00:26:30,380 --> 00:26:33,579 Speaker 1: relationships throughout and have never been single might not have 542 00:26:33,589 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: had that opportunity to be truly independent. So that might 543 00:26:37,170 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 1: be like an experience that, 544 00:26:38,670 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: that we are missing out on. So yeah, so that's 545 00:26:40,770 --> 00:26:42,900 Speaker 1: a benefit of being single in some ways you can 546 00:26:42,910 --> 00:26:44,910 Speaker 1: call it a benefit. I do have a really dear 547 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,329 Speaker 1: friend of mine who's married to her high school sweetheart 548 00:26:48,859 --> 00:26:51,069 Speaker 1: and they now have a child together. Has she really 549 00:26:51,079 --> 00:26:53,979 Speaker 1: fully been single and experiencing what I do now? Not really. Actually, 550 00:26:53,989 --> 00:26:55,938 Speaker 1: that's why sometimes you call me. I'm so 551 00:26:56,020 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: jealous. I wish I can do what you do. I 552 00:26:57,569 --> 00:27:00,969 Speaker 1: can just travel the world like soul trips. She cannot, 553 00:27:00,979 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 1: she has to think of the child, think of the 554 00:27:03,689 --> 00:27:07,829 Speaker 1: husband make arrangement. So I think that is something I'm 555 00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:10,699 Speaker 1: not going to take for granted. Yeah, I mean, I have, 556 00:27:10,709 --> 00:27:13,208 Speaker 1: I have some friends who actually mentioned that too, like 557 00:27:13,689 --> 00:27:16,579 Speaker 1: a Q how is it like to be single? Like 558 00:27:16,589 --> 00:27:18,929 Speaker 1: dating fun and not, you know, like you get to 559 00:27:18,939 --> 00:27:22,609 Speaker 1: meet different people and kind of what you truly want 560 00:27:22,619 --> 00:27:25,369 Speaker 1: as compared to someone who settled down with their high 561 00:27:25,380 --> 00:27:28,500 Speaker 1: school sweetheart. For example, I I mentioned before that like 562 00:27:28,510 --> 00:27:31,260 Speaker 1: sometimes being single can be quite like boring because there's 563 00:27:31,270 --> 00:27:33,319 Speaker 1: no one else to share your life with at night, 564 00:27:33,329 --> 00:27:35,420 Speaker 1: for example, like you want to talk to them. But 565 00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:37,829 Speaker 1: then I think there were a bunch of moments or 566 00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:38,708 Speaker 1: so where I'm like, 567 00:27:39,589 --> 00:27:42,459 Speaker 1: I'm glad that I'm alone doing my own thing, like 568 00:27:42,469 --> 00:27:43,790 Speaker 1: booking a trip. Yeah, 569 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,649 Speaker 2: I think all this talk about being single, right? It 570 00:27:45,660 --> 00:27:47,979 Speaker 2: made me think about what it was like 571 00:27:48,449 --> 00:27:52,430 Speaker 2: younger um and being around married people because a lot 572 00:27:52,439 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 2: of my friends are older so they were already married 573 00:27:54,859 --> 00:27:57,250 Speaker 2: and whenever I'm in the car and I just see 574 00:27:57,260 --> 00:27:59,209 Speaker 2: them like, you know, do a couple of things. I 575 00:27:59,569 --> 00:28:02,930 Speaker 2: need to buy eggs. Don't forget I was like, I'm like, 576 00:28:02,939 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 2: I want to buy eggs with somebody or like bread 577 00:28:06,410 --> 00:28:08,459 Speaker 2: or you know, like just like, eh do you forget 578 00:28:08,469 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 2: to do? Oh no, I did already then like, ok, 579 00:28:10,260 --> 00:28:12,250 Speaker 2: that one is the like, you know, he put his hand. 580 00:28:12,260 --> 00:28:13,829 Speaker 2: I'm like, no, there is this. 581 00:28:14,510 --> 00:28:17,060 Speaker 1: Oh my God, I do for you. Yeah, 582 00:28:17,979 --> 00:28:20,689 Speaker 2: like even though you are part of the group, you 583 00:28:20,699 --> 00:28:24,579 Speaker 2: witness that bond and you're like, damn, I really want that. Yeah. 584 00:28:24,589 --> 00:28:27,290 Speaker 2: And I remember feeling that and, 585 00:28:27,819 --> 00:28:30,669 Speaker 2: but then also reminding myself. Yeah, but I'm so happy 586 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,569 Speaker 2: also I can go and do whatever I want. I 587 00:28:32,579 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 2: can like tell like no one's gonna tell me otherwise. Yeah, 588 00:28:36,010 --> 00:28:39,229 Speaker 2: me tomorrow I clean. Who's gonna scold me. Right. Right. 589 00:28:39,239 --> 00:28:41,500 Speaker 2: It's like dishes in the sink. Three days. You don't 590 00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:44,239 Speaker 2: come my house. Let me see what, like, there's obviously 591 00:28:44,250 --> 00:28:46,869 Speaker 2: pros and cons and I, I definitely, now that I 592 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,550 Speaker 2: think about it and what you'll say, like the pool 593 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,660 Speaker 2: gets smaller, there's something I think 594 00:28:52,069 --> 00:28:53,060 Speaker 2: I never thought 595 00:28:53,069 --> 00:28:55,300 Speaker 1: of. The pool is smaller, but the right one will 596 00:28:55,310 --> 00:28:58,250 Speaker 1: find you. You don't need so many people anyway. You 597 00:28:58,260 --> 00:29:00,229 Speaker 1: need one person. The pool is smaller so that it's 598 00:29:00,239 --> 00:29:02,219 Speaker 1: easier for you to find the right one. You see 599 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:03,189 Speaker 1: its perspective. 600 00:29:05,910 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: Manifesting for us to meet people organically. I will check 601 00:29:09,290 --> 00:29:11,420 Speaker 1: in with you in a few months. Next year, next year, 602 00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:13,609 Speaker 1: your door, open my door and close for now for 603 00:29:13,619 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: the rest of your door opener, maybe, maybe, maybe open 604 00:29:17,410 --> 00:29:19,239 Speaker 1: my window. It's slightly a jar. 605 00:29:20,750 --> 00:29:23,050 Speaker 2: Have you guys heard of this theory? They say that 606 00:29:23,060 --> 00:29:25,969 Speaker 2: for men, it's not about who it is. They say 607 00:29:25,979 --> 00:29:27,699 Speaker 2: when they're ready to get married, they'll just marry the 608 00:29:27,709 --> 00:29:29,729 Speaker 2: next person that comes along, that kind of fits the 609 00:29:29,739 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 2: bill like it could have been you, but he wasn't ready. 610 00:29:32,689 --> 00:29:34,339 Speaker 2: So it was never going to happen. Like you could 611 00:29:34,349 --> 00:29:35,709 Speaker 2: have been a love of his life. The 612 00:29:35,719 --> 00:29:38,449 Speaker 1: whole thing about your boyfriend went there with you. They 613 00:29:38,459 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: are like the worst, but then the next person they 614 00:29:40,650 --> 00:29:41,890 Speaker 1: treat them completely differently. 615 00:29:44,180 --> 00:29:46,869 Speaker 1: Oh my God. So then you, like you were doing 616 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,030 Speaker 1: the difficult work 617 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,849 Speaker 2: of the girl, I'm the maker of that. Please understand you. 618 00:29:51,859 --> 00:29:54,239 Speaker 2: Look under the leg of my name. I'm the maker. 619 00:29:55,500 --> 00:30:01,599 Speaker 1: Andy. Andy is like, I think like it's true. I 620 00:30:01,609 --> 00:30:03,599 Speaker 1: feel like when I look at my previous relationship, it 621 00:30:03,609 --> 00:30:07,910 Speaker 1: was quite a bad relationship. So like coming into my 622 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,339 Speaker 1: current relationship, then I was very like, I cannot make 623 00:30:11,349 --> 00:30:14,479 Speaker 1: those same mistakes. So I tried to be a better person. 624 00:30:14,670 --> 00:30:16,579 Speaker 1: I feel I was a guinea pig for my last relationship. 625 00:30:16,739 --> 00:30:19,609 Speaker 1: You know, that kind of thing. Like lessons learned. You're 626 00:30:19,619 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: just 627 00:30:19,875 --> 00:30:20,975 Speaker 2: there to help him learn, 628 00:30:20,985 --> 00:30:25,005 Speaker 1: make him a better person for someone to be better. Yeah, same, 629 00:30:25,015 --> 00:30:25,985 Speaker 1: same here. So he talked 630 00:30:25,995 --> 00:30:29,344 Speaker 2: a lot about being single questions. That might actually be 631 00:30:29,355 --> 00:30:32,475 Speaker 2: a bit intrusive. What would you say are things that 632 00:30:32,485 --> 00:30:35,786 Speaker 2: people should just maybe not bring around single 633 00:30:35,796 --> 00:30:39,046 Speaker 1: folk come educate us honestly. I think the first thing 634 00:30:39,066 --> 00:30:41,296 Speaker 1: and the only thing for me is to not always 635 00:30:41,306 --> 00:30:44,686 Speaker 1: center the conversation around their dating life. I mean, 636 00:30:44,891 --> 00:30:47,582 Speaker 1: sometimes I do like a check in but not every 637 00:30:47,592 --> 00:30:50,112 Speaker 1: single time we meet, like, imagine every two weeks we meet, right? 638 00:30:50,131 --> 00:30:52,552 Speaker 1: You ask me how my life, not my changes about 639 00:30:52,562 --> 00:30:56,472 Speaker 1: your dating life, about my dating life. Not much has changed. 640 00:30:56,482 --> 00:31:00,401 Speaker 1: So sometimes being too fixated on my single nurse can 641 00:31:00,411 --> 00:31:04,911 Speaker 1: be quite great thing. Anything else that maybe like, but 642 00:31:04,921 --> 00:31:06,732 Speaker 1: when do you want to get married? But I don't 643 00:31:06,741 --> 00:31:09,751 Speaker 1: even have a partner you want me to think about marriage. Like, 644 00:31:10,229 --> 00:31:14,619 Speaker 1: not really in the question, frequently asked question really. Is, 645 00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:17,290 Speaker 1: are you seeing anyone like can be a week after 646 00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:19,329 Speaker 1: break up? You relax guys. 647 00:31:19,339 --> 00:31:22,180 Speaker 2: But I realize it could be the tone or like 648 00:31:22,189 --> 00:31:24,750 Speaker 2: if someone says, like, how, you know, scared me like 649 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 2: your or if you said that it actually like, are 650 00:31:28,569 --> 00:31:31,060 Speaker 2: you worried about your ex? Because I'm also like, you know, 651 00:31:31,150 --> 00:31:33,569 Speaker 2: I think it's about tone when you're asking but better 652 00:31:33,579 --> 00:31:36,739 Speaker 2: if they cannot change it within like five seconds, then 653 00:31:36,750 --> 00:31:39,219 Speaker 2: in general just don't. Yeah, but I feel 654 00:31:39,229 --> 00:31:39,329 Speaker 1: like 655 00:31:39,420 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: read the room. If a person is newly single, don't 656 00:31:42,930 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: have to ask these sort of questions. But if it's 657 00:31:45,050 --> 00:31:47,479 Speaker 1: been a while it's really the way you deliver it. 658 00:31:47,489 --> 00:31:49,579 Speaker 1: It's true because if they really sit me down and like, 659 00:31:49,589 --> 00:31:51,349 Speaker 1: actually you don't mind me asking. I'm sorry if you 660 00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: are or like, just want to know. Are you happy? 661 00:31:53,339 --> 00:31:56,119 Speaker 1: Are you really looking? I wouldn't be offended. Really? Oh, yeah. 662 00:31:56,130 --> 00:31:59,369 Speaker 1: Then I will be smooth a bit. Like, so like 663 00:31:59,380 --> 00:32:01,229 Speaker 1: the way you go about it is any new hobbies. 664 00:32:01,239 --> 00:32:03,959 Speaker 1: Then the person say they started going bouldering. Then you 665 00:32:04,170 --> 00:32:06,050 Speaker 1: any cute guys or not? You're talking about me. 666 00:32:09,270 --> 00:32:14,770 Speaker 1: I have a friend who loves wondering it. L good guy. 667 00:32:14,780 --> 00:32:17,069 Speaker 1: Good guy. No, but I think that's something that I 668 00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:21,489 Speaker 1: appreciate more. It's not being asked. Are you single? But 669 00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:22,020 Speaker 1: more like 670 00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:26,540 Speaker 1: I have a friend, you wanna go on a like 671 00:32:26,550 --> 00:32:28,319 Speaker 1: you wanna go and meet someone or like, do you 672 00:32:28,329 --> 00:32:31,050 Speaker 1: want to join me for? I don't bothering for example, 673 00:32:31,060 --> 00:32:34,380 Speaker 1: or like the gym, for example. And then I think 674 00:32:34,390 --> 00:32:37,290 Speaker 1: it's more like, ok, I'll go to that experience. Have fun. 675 00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:40,819 Speaker 1: The secondary thing is to meet new people. Yeah, it's 676 00:32:40,829 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: not like the main focus like I'm gonna match with 677 00:32:43,010 --> 00:32:43,660 Speaker 1: you right now. 678 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,420 Speaker 2: Actually, I think proximity is also very important. 679 00:32:46,892 --> 00:32:50,103 Speaker 2: The ask her like are you asking because you are 680 00:32:50,113 --> 00:32:52,542 Speaker 2: close to the person and you want to know or 681 00:32:52,552 --> 00:32:54,572 Speaker 2: are you just capable and you want more tips on 682 00:32:54,583 --> 00:32:55,953 Speaker 2: people or you want to gossip? 683 00:32:55,963 --> 00:32:58,772 Speaker 1: Because for me it's been the letter lately. They just 684 00:32:58,782 --> 00:33:01,873 Speaker 1: want to know why you say why what happened? They 685 00:33:01,883 --> 00:33:03,822 Speaker 1: just want a tea and I can sense it. Don't 686 00:33:03,833 --> 00:33:06,883 Speaker 1: give them the tea. I'm not give tea, I give water. Ok. 687 00:33:06,892 --> 00:33:08,912 Speaker 2: So to wrap this up, we just want to say 688 00:33:08,922 --> 00:33:09,152 Speaker 2: that 689 00:33:09,416 --> 00:33:11,735 Speaker 2: wherever you are in your life, as long as you're happy, 690 00:33:11,745 --> 00:33:14,355 Speaker 2: that's all that matters. It doesn't mean that being single 691 00:33:14,365 --> 00:33:17,036 Speaker 2: means you are missing out or that you are lonely 692 00:33:17,046 --> 00:33:20,645 Speaker 2: or empty inside. And we hope that you know, after this, 693 00:33:20,656 --> 00:33:22,645 Speaker 2: you can be a little bit more mindful of the 694 00:33:22,656 --> 00:33:26,786 Speaker 2: conversations that you're starting with people around you and just 695 00:33:26,796 --> 00:33:29,265 Speaker 2: include everyone just because you like them. Don't need to 696 00:33:29,276 --> 00:33:31,395 Speaker 2: ask also my questions. Yeah. 697 00:33:32,790 --> 00:33:34,819 Speaker 1: So thank you for joining us on this episode of 698 00:33:34,829 --> 00:33:37,449 Speaker 1: the Hot Pot. You can listen to us on Spotify 699 00:33:37,459 --> 00:33:39,689 Speaker 1: Apple podcast and me listen as well 700 00:33:39,699 --> 00:33:41,719 Speaker 2: and don't forget to subscribe to our channel if you 701 00:33:41,729 --> 00:33:42,719 Speaker 2: haven't already. And 702 00:33:42,729 --> 00:33:45,469 Speaker 1: of course, thank you Maggie for being here today. Good. 703 00:33:46,390 --> 00:33:49,459 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. Thank you. Thank you. I 704 00:33:49,469 --> 00:33:52,390 Speaker 1: really enjoyed our conversation. I hope we didn't dream you. 705 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:53,859 Speaker 1: Not at all. I love it. 706 00:33:53,939 --> 00:33:55,959 Speaker 1: In fact, I'm the kind of person who is fueled 707 00:33:55,969 --> 00:33:59,300 Speaker 1: by good conversation. Not really, you need to do a 708 00:33:59,310 --> 00:34:02,319 Speaker 1: part two already. Energy. OK? So we will see you 709 00:34:02,329 --> 00:34:07,050 Speaker 1: on the next episode. Bye. Actually, can I ask, what's 710 00:34:07,060 --> 00:34:09,860 Speaker 1: your man? Do you know a man name for your 711 00:34:09,870 --> 00:34:10,939 Speaker 2: other half? I call 712 00:34:12,739 --> 00:34:13,570 Speaker 1: when you call your V, 713 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:23,469 Speaker 1: that's what you said the duality. So both 714 00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 2: also can be what is OK? You know how names evolve. 715 00:34:27,729 --> 00:34:30,479 Speaker 2: I say before like Charlie, then I call him like 716 00:34:30,610 --> 00:34:34,389 Speaker 2: Cha don't like then Charlie. So become Chi I call 717 00:34:34,439 --> 00:34:37,090 Speaker 2: him CCC. Sometimes I call him chai, 718 00:34:37,780 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: not him being the same as your vagina. That's weird. 719 00:34:40,739 --> 00:34:42,609 Speaker 1: But hey, he visits 720 00:34:43,659 --> 00:34:45,100 Speaker 2: his visitor pass. 721 00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:49,850 Speaker 1: Ok. Did she accept it?