1 00:00:02,819 --> 00:00:06,059 Speaker 1: I've noticed some behaviors and I would like to address 2 00:00:06,059 --> 00:00:08,199 Speaker 1: them today. OK. Why were you late every day? 3 00:00:10,260 --> 00:00:12,369 Speaker 2: I am late or early? 4 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,020 Speaker 1: Am I expecting a change soon or are you gonna 5 00:00:17,020 --> 00:00:20,030 Speaker 1: keep talking to me with that attitude? Oh, what attitude? 6 00:00:27,030 --> 00:00:29,510 Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome to another episode of the Hop Pod 7 00:00:29,510 --> 00:00:32,459 Speaker 2: where we hop into different transitions in life. I'm Nick. 8 00:00:32,598 --> 00:00:32,830 Speaker 2: I'm 9 00:00:32,830 --> 00:00:35,860 Speaker 1: Joey, I'm Q and today we have Lingy with us. 10 00:00:37,529 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Lee from Wald Banana, a very, very nice company. Very, 11 00:00:41,569 --> 00:00:45,049 Speaker 1: very nice. I love that she started with that. We 12 00:00:45,049 --> 00:00:47,290 Speaker 1: actually have heard a lot of things, good things 13 00:00:47,290 --> 00:00:48,470 Speaker 1: about Banana. It's true. 14 00:00:48,689 --> 00:00:52,750 Speaker 2: Yeah, like I think 2017, I've been hearing people tell 15 00:00:52,750 --> 00:00:54,430 Speaker 2: me that, yeah, very nice to work there. 16 00:00:55,610 --> 00:00:56,409 Speaker 1: Yeah for the employees. 17 00:00:56,770 --> 00:00:59,060 Speaker 1: difficult for the boss, right? There's always two sides of 18 00:00:59,060 --> 00:01:03,849 Speaker 1: the story. That's a trade-off today. OK, so I'm super 19 00:01:03,849 --> 00:01:07,330 Speaker 1: excited for today's episode because we're doing our all-time favorite 20 00:01:07,330 --> 00:01:10,410 Speaker 1: Reddit episode. I love reacting to stories. I love that. 21 00:01:10,610 --> 00:01:11,849 Speaker 1: Today you can say wah, OK. 22 00:01:16,599 --> 00:01:20,279 Speaker 1: Anyway, in line with the upcoming International Women's Day, we 23 00:01:20,279 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: are going to be looking at toxic work culture stories 24 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: in Singapore and why they exist. So 25 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:30,169 Speaker 2: toxic work cultures are of course uh ever present globally, uh, 26 00:01:30,230 --> 00:01:33,069 Speaker 2: even here in Singapore as well. I think um everyone 27 00:01:33,069 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 2: will have heard of or know of a friend. 28 00:01:35,300 --> 00:01:38,839 Speaker 2: Who has worked or is working in a toxic workplace. 29 00:01:39,089 --> 00:01:42,559 Speaker 2: So today we'll be reacting to stories on the internet, 30 00:01:43,069 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 2: on Reddit specifically about toxic workplaces. 31 00:01:46,250 --> 00:01:48,889 Speaker 1: But before we begin going down the couch, have we 32 00:01:48,889 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: ever experienced a toxic workplace or toxic work culture? 33 00:01:52,735 --> 00:01:53,805 Speaker 2: I don't 34 00:01:53,805 --> 00:01:54,724 Speaker 1: have, I don't have a story and name the company. 35 00:01:54,754 --> 00:01:54,775 Speaker 1: Oh my. 36 00:02:00,485 --> 00:02:03,845 Speaker 1: OK, I feel like maybe the experiences that I had 37 00:02:03,845 --> 00:02:07,444 Speaker 1: were borderline toxic but not, I wouldn't want to label 38 00:02:07,444 --> 00:02:07,684 Speaker 1: them 39 00:02:07,684 --> 00:02:08,324 Speaker 1: as toxic. 40 00:02:08,404 --> 00:02:11,763 Speaker 2: There's one workplace I have in mind that is for 41 00:02:11,764 --> 00:02:15,603 Speaker 2: sure there have been instances of like toxic um. 42 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:17,228 Speaker 2: Management? 43 00:02:19,889 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 2: OK, 44 00:02:20,979 --> 00:02:24,300 Speaker 1: do you all think that working long, extremely long hours 45 00:02:24,300 --> 00:02:27,059 Speaker 1: is toxic? No, if it's within your JD and it's 46 00:02:27,059 --> 00:02:29,288 Speaker 1: what you signed up for. Like I, I, I hate 47 00:02:29,288 --> 00:02:31,250 Speaker 1: when people say, oh my god, I work so many hours, 48 00:02:31,300 --> 00:02:34,460 Speaker 1: but contractually these are the hours they agreed upon. 49 00:02:34,970 --> 00:02:37,288 Speaker 1: Then like then whose fault is that you sign the contract? No, 50 00:02:37,330 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 1: but what if it's beyond the MOM standards? There's a cap. 51 00:02:40,990 --> 00:02:43,330 Speaker 1: Let's say it's 44 hours, could be wrong, but it's 52 00:02:43,330 --> 00:02:46,210 Speaker 1: not that long by law. So if you're if you're 53 00:02:46,210 --> 00:02:49,490 Speaker 1: talking about 80 hours, yeah, like you bleed over the 54 00:02:49,490 --> 00:02:51,889 Speaker 1: norm lah, then the expectations on you is to like 55 00:02:51,889 --> 00:02:54,839 Speaker 1: you have to stay and finish the project. That's toxic. 56 00:02:55,288 --> 00:02:55,970 Speaker 1: Then they better. 57 00:02:56,065 --> 00:02:58,604 Speaker 1: Pay your OT and if they pay if they pay 58 00:02:58,604 --> 00:03:01,684 Speaker 1: OT and you agree, I think OK I think you're 59 00:03:01,684 --> 00:03:04,524 Speaker 1: willing to do it, then it's OK. Consent has to 60 00:03:04,524 --> 00:03:07,794 Speaker 1: be mutually agreed upon. I think if like there's manipulation, 61 00:03:07,883 --> 00:03:11,005 Speaker 1: then obviously there's toxic. 100%. Yeah. OK, sounds like we've 62 00:03:11,005 --> 00:03:13,895 Speaker 1: got a lot to unpack today. Let's dive into the 63 00:03:13,895 --> 00:03:17,163 Speaker 1: first story. This is from user CM 210. 64 00:03:17,490 --> 00:03:19,758 Speaker 1: I've been an HR assistant for a while now, about 65 00:03:19,758 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: 2 years, and I mainly deal with the training side 66 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: of HR. Even though I'm used to my work and 67 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,479 Speaker 1: can produce results, my company and management are very particular 68 00:03:28,479 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: about what we do and do not allow me to 69 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,949 Speaker 1: even learn about the other aspects of the job. Even 70 00:03:33,949 --> 00:03:37,479 Speaker 1: after new employees or experienced staff leaves and new positions 71 00:03:37,479 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: open up, they do not allow me to pick up 72 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:43,119 Speaker 1: learning anything new. I have been stagnant and stuck in 73 00:03:43,119 --> 00:03:46,399 Speaker 1: this mundane cycle with a feeling of no progression. Is 74 00:03:46,399 --> 00:03:47,029 Speaker 1: this normal in 75 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,110 Speaker 1: The HR sector. As a boss, right? Uh, what do 76 00:03:50,110 --> 00:03:54,449 Speaker 1: you think about this situation? Why would this employee be 77 00:03:54,449 --> 00:03:57,110 Speaker 1: forced to be stuck in this bubble? Because the the 78 00:03:57,110 --> 00:04:00,029 Speaker 1: wording is I'm not allowed to. I'm not allowed to 79 00:04:00,029 --> 00:04:03,830 Speaker 1: learn anything new. It so it feels like either their 80 00:04:03,830 --> 00:04:08,110 Speaker 1: job scope, right, is highly confidential or if having me 81 00:04:08,110 --> 00:04:11,169 Speaker 1: learning something new, right, would put me in a very 82 00:04:11,169 --> 00:04:14,789 Speaker 1: competitive position once I leave the company, unless it's for 83 00:04:14,789 --> 00:04:16,589 Speaker 1: that reason, which I sort of understand. 84 00:04:17,059 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: Otherwise I really cannot think of it. 85 00:04:18,579 --> 00:04:18,859 Speaker 2: I feel like 86 00:04:18,859 --> 00:04:24,070 Speaker 2: in general, when employers do this, it's because they are 1, 87 00:04:24,500 --> 00:04:28,049 Speaker 2: afraid to lose you and two, they don't know how 88 00:04:28,049 --> 00:04:31,339 Speaker 2: to scale their business effectively such that you can grow 89 00:04:31,339 --> 00:04:33,899 Speaker 2: with the business. For example, my business is going to 90 00:04:33,899 --> 00:04:36,940 Speaker 2: stay a 5-man operation forever and I'm content and happy 91 00:04:36,940 --> 00:04:40,089 Speaker 2: as a boss for it to just stay like that, right? 92 00:04:40,420 --> 00:04:42,220 Speaker 2: Then I don't need you to learn anything new. I 93 00:04:42,220 --> 00:04:44,618 Speaker 2: will forever need someone to do payroll. I will forever 94 00:04:44,619 --> 00:04:44,899 Speaker 2: need someone. 95 00:04:45,005 --> 00:04:47,924 Speaker 2: want to like uh to post jobs on LinkedIn and 96 00:04:47,934 --> 00:04:50,154 Speaker 2: and all that la. So it might be a case 97 00:04:50,154 --> 00:04:52,654 Speaker 2: where like this employer feels like, oh if I train you, 98 00:04:52,755 --> 00:04:55,614 Speaker 2: then you leave, I need to go and find a replacement, 99 00:04:55,875 --> 00:04:57,484 Speaker 2: which is a very toxic 100 00:05:00,785 --> 00:05:02,354 Speaker 1: mindset right on the flip side maybe this person cannot 101 00:05:02,355 --> 00:05:05,535 Speaker 1: juggle his own workload and then 102 00:05:05,769 --> 00:05:09,119 Speaker 1: At the same time he's asking for more, more, more 103 00:05:09,119 --> 00:05:11,079 Speaker 1: things on his plate, right? But then as a boss 104 00:05:11,079 --> 00:05:14,019 Speaker 1: you're like, you can't even manage your own boss is 105 00:05:14,019 --> 00:05:19,078 Speaker 1: very responsibilities. I'm just thinking like if you are hired 106 00:05:19,079 --> 00:05:21,558 Speaker 1: to do a job and you say OK. 107 00:05:21,665 --> 00:05:24,284 Speaker 1: These will be my roles and what I will do, 108 00:05:24,575 --> 00:05:26,174 Speaker 1: and then you ask your boss, actually I want to 109 00:05:26,174 --> 00:05:28,295 Speaker 1: do that instead. Can you train me to do that? 110 00:05:28,415 --> 00:05:31,415 Speaker 1: Then it's like we hire you to do this and 111 00:05:31,415 --> 00:05:34,024 Speaker 1: this is what the skill set we brought you on for, 112 00:05:34,295 --> 00:05:35,975 Speaker 1: and then now you want me to train you to 113 00:05:35,975 --> 00:05:37,524 Speaker 1: do this, then 114 00:05:38,350 --> 00:05:40,750 Speaker 1: What if the company does not have the resources? And 115 00:05:40,750 --> 00:05:42,220 Speaker 1: who's going to replace your role then? 116 00:05:42,390 --> 00:05:43,890 Speaker 2: I feel like it's a case of like you need 117 00:05:43,890 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 2: to make sure that you are really excelling in everything 118 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,269 Speaker 2: that is in your current JD before you should even 119 00:05:48,269 --> 00:05:53,070 Speaker 2: be asking for new things. So without that information, cannot 120 00:05:53,070 --> 00:05:55,950 Speaker 2: really tell whether or not it's a toxic workplace lah 121 00:05:55,950 --> 00:05:57,070 Speaker 2: based on this story. But 122 00:05:57,070 --> 00:05:57,178 Speaker 1: you 123 00:05:57,178 --> 00:06:00,380 Speaker 1: all sound like very understanding employees, just saying. 124 00:06:01,329 --> 00:06:03,890 Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, Gen Z should watch this, yeah. 125 00:06:05,609 --> 00:06:08,529 Speaker 1: Have you guys ever felt stuck in your careers? Not really. 126 00:06:08,649 --> 00:06:11,970 Speaker 1: I have, yeah. During my previous employment, yeah, I was 127 00:06:11,970 --> 00:06:14,089 Speaker 1: doing quite well. The company treat me very well. My 128 00:06:14,089 --> 00:06:17,500 Speaker 1: bosses were amazing. Uh, I was in a pretty good role, 129 00:06:17,570 --> 00:06:19,768 Speaker 1: but I think the job task that was given to 130 00:06:19,769 --> 00:06:21,690 Speaker 1: me was not something that I wanted to do. 131 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,730 Speaker 1: Uh, that's why I resigned and focused on a banana. 132 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: Sometimes like everything is going well, you could still feel 133 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: a bit displaced. Like it doesn't, if it doesn't fulfill 134 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,510 Speaker 1: you and you need to be fulfilled at your job, 135 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,829 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that the place is toxic. It's just 136 00:06:37,829 --> 00:06:38,130 Speaker 1: not the 137 00:06:38,130 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: right fit, right? 138 00:06:39,049 --> 00:06:42,519 Speaker 2: I think for for me, there are definitely days where 139 00:06:42,519 --> 00:06:45,220 Speaker 2: I dread, but that's not a deal breaker for me. 140 00:06:45,399 --> 00:06:47,380 Speaker 2: I feel like I've also tried to kind of be 141 00:06:47,380 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 2: mindful about always putting myself in a position where 142 00:06:51,738 --> 00:06:55,420 Speaker 2: There are opportunities and like room for progression and to learn. 143 00:06:55,899 --> 00:06:57,779 Speaker 2: I think I've been quite lucky as well to have 144 00:06:57,779 --> 00:07:03,178 Speaker 2: had quite good mentors um in my career. So they 145 00:07:03,178 --> 00:07:06,299 Speaker 2: have helped me with like career coaching, mapping out like 146 00:07:06,299 --> 00:07:09,500 Speaker 2: what the next 5 years should look like, where I 147 00:07:09,500 --> 00:07:11,859 Speaker 2: should pivot in terms of skill set and all that. 148 00:07:11,940 --> 00:07:13,630 Speaker 2: So sometimes it might be a case where you might 149 00:07:13,630 --> 00:07:15,029 Speaker 2: need to make a bit of a 150 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,929 Speaker 2: Adjacent shift, even if it's not like a complete career switch, um, 151 00:07:19,940 --> 00:07:22,980 Speaker 2: to to just kind of like lengthen your career pathway 152 00:07:22,980 --> 00:07:23,410 Speaker 2: a bit. 153 00:07:24,049 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 2: Hm. So I think the other thing as well is 154 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,149 Speaker 2: that if you are feeling stagnant in your job, um, 155 00:07:29,540 --> 00:07:33,500 Speaker 2: sometimes some career counseling, career guidance might be helpful. There 156 00:07:33,500 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: are resources like Workforce Singapore that could help 157 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:36,230 Speaker 2: you. 158 00:07:36,970 --> 00:07:40,709 Speaker 1: Hm, OK, next story by user SGHCW. 159 00:07:41,179 --> 00:07:44,290 Speaker 1: I was an allied health professional. What got me into 160 00:07:44,290 --> 00:07:46,730 Speaker 1: it was an interest in healthcare and science and working 161 00:07:46,730 --> 00:07:49,079 Speaker 1: with people. And for a few years, it was great. 162 00:07:49,209 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: Things started affecting me badly when I tried to move 163 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,850 Speaker 1: up and realized that job prospects in the long term 164 00:07:53,850 --> 00:07:56,570 Speaker 1: were poor. I also realized how later I could effect 165 00:07:56,570 --> 00:08:00,209 Speaker 1: change despite being senior. Also, my peers earning far more 166 00:08:00,209 --> 00:08:01,489 Speaker 1: than me really made me miserable. 167 00:08:02,002 --> 00:08:04,132 Speaker 1: I am not in the job anymore. Transition to a 168 00:08:04,132 --> 00:08:07,023 Speaker 1: new career that I actually enjoy and treats me fairly. 169 00:08:07,252 --> 00:08:10,213 Speaker 1: Double my salary too. Too many things I would have 170 00:08:10,213 --> 00:08:11,972 Speaker 1: changed and now there is no way I will ever 171 00:08:11,972 --> 00:08:15,893 Speaker 1: go back. Only annoyed I didn't get out earlier. But 172 00:08:15,893 --> 00:08:18,812 Speaker 1: it is quite an inspirational story, you know. He realized 173 00:08:18,812 --> 00:08:21,173 Speaker 1: what was the problem, he got out and then he 174 00:08:21,173 --> 00:08:21,812 Speaker 1: never said the. 175 00:08:23,246 --> 00:08:23,465 Speaker 1: What all 176 00:08:23,466 --> 00:08:26,165 Speaker 1: day 177 00:08:26,165 --> 00:08:29,536 Speaker 2: but we don't know so what um this person like 178 00:08:29,536 --> 00:08:32,616 Speaker 2: transitioned into like in their new career. I think the 179 00:08:32,616 --> 00:08:36,926 Speaker 2: first part when when this person was a healthcare professional 180 00:08:37,216 --> 00:08:39,856 Speaker 2: is quite relatable to a lot of people where you 181 00:08:39,856 --> 00:08:42,255 Speaker 2: feel like, oh, I slog and slog, right, but then. 182 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:47,919 Speaker 2: My job prospects not great. There's no upward mobility, uh, 183 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 2: you know, my salary progression is not great, but I 184 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,039 Speaker 2: feel like these are the things you need to think 185 00:08:53,039 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 2: about before you enter that, that field, and then you 186 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,340 Speaker 2: need to be realistic and pragmatic about how far this 187 00:08:59,340 --> 00:09:00,489 Speaker 2: career can take you, lah. 188 00:09:01,469 --> 00:09:02,619 Speaker 1: But an industry thing then 189 00:09:06,039 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: I mean some industries are not toxic industries. Are there 190 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:08,549 Speaker 2: toxic industries? 191 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: I think there are industries that everyone already understands that 192 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:12,358 Speaker 1: it is. 193 00:09:12,590 --> 00:09:15,710 Speaker 1: Toxic. You are fighting a really long hard fight that 194 00:09:15,710 --> 00:09:18,390 Speaker 1: you will never win. But as an employer, how do 195 00:09:18,390 --> 00:09:21,750 Speaker 1: you empower your employees when they feel a bit powerless? OK, 196 00:09:21,830 --> 00:09:24,390 Speaker 1: I always ask everybody, are you happy now or you 197 00:09:24,390 --> 00:09:26,510 Speaker 1: want to do more? Like, like the, you want more 198 00:09:26,510 --> 00:09:29,468 Speaker 1: responsibility and all that, right? So, to my surprise, not 199 00:09:29,469 --> 00:09:31,989 Speaker 1: everybody wants more responsibility. Some people are very focused in 200 00:09:31,989 --> 00:09:33,969 Speaker 1: their life, like they come to work and then they, 201 00:09:34,229 --> 00:09:36,349 Speaker 1: that's it. Then they clock off and then they will 202 00:09:36,349 --> 00:09:38,549 Speaker 1: enjoy their life and that's pretty much about it. If 203 00:09:38,549 --> 00:09:40,390 Speaker 1: people want to try new things, then I will make 204 00:09:40,390 --> 00:09:41,429 Speaker 1: sure I give them that. 205 00:09:41,590 --> 00:09:43,820 Speaker 1: Then you try. If you fail, then um at least 206 00:09:43,820 --> 00:09:46,419 Speaker 1: you know la. I always give them back and whenever 207 00:09:46,419 --> 00:09:48,218 Speaker 1: my staff ask me that they want to go for 208 00:09:48,219 --> 00:09:51,239 Speaker 1: a course, uh, even if it's not subsidized, most of 209 00:09:51,239 --> 00:09:53,099 Speaker 1: the time if they ask, I will pay for the 210 00:09:53,099 --> 00:09:56,700 Speaker 1: course for them most of the time, yeah, but they 211 00:09:56,700 --> 00:09:59,260 Speaker 1: need to justify la, not like you, everybody come to 212 00:09:59,260 --> 00:10:00,780 Speaker 1: me and say you want to go for a cooking class, 213 00:10:00,820 --> 00:10:07,140 Speaker 1: then I'll say no, right, obviously then more 3D the 214 00:10:07,140 --> 00:10:10,109 Speaker 1: pet grooming, the pet grooming one, then obviously not lah. 215 00:10:10,700 --> 00:10:13,130 Speaker 1: Ask you to sponsor, right? Then they leave one month later. 216 00:10:13,250 --> 00:10:14,900 Speaker 1: If somebody wants to leave, right, and somebody wants to 217 00:10:14,900 --> 00:10:17,669 Speaker 1: do that to you, right, then just let them do 218 00:10:17,669 --> 00:10:21,369 Speaker 1: that to you in my philosophy is the art of detachment. 219 00:10:21,570 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: If people are going to do that, they're gonna do that. 220 00:10:22,969 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: Just like a lot of people wait for bonus insurance 221 00:10:25,650 --> 00:10:27,329 Speaker 1: and then they leave, right? How are you gonna know? 222 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: How would you know? 223 00:10:28,969 --> 00:10:31,530 Speaker 2: I saw an AI generated quote on LinkedIn the other 224 00:10:31,530 --> 00:10:34,929 Speaker 2: day that everybody is copying and pasting that says, what 225 00:10:34,929 --> 00:10:38,608 Speaker 2: if we train them and then they leave, right, then 226 00:10:38,609 --> 00:10:39,690 Speaker 2: someone else reply. 227 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: What if we don't and they stay? It means you 228 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,598 Speaker 2: have incompetent people that are continuing to work there. Would 229 00:10:47,599 --> 00:10:51,039 Speaker 2: you rather have competent people, like 10 competent people, 5 230 00:10:51,039 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 2: of them, 5 of them stay, or would you rather 231 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 2: have 10 incompetent people who all stay? OK. Yeah, 232 00:10:55,299 --> 00:10:55,829 Speaker 1: OK, 233 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:58,479 Speaker 1: OK, 234 00:10:58,580 --> 00:10:59,049 Speaker 1: OK. So 235 00:10:59,049 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 2: actually for your, for your employees, right, um, what do 236 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,429 Speaker 2: you do in terms of helping them with career planning 237 00:11:05,429 --> 00:11:06,719 Speaker 2: and like helping them to. 238 00:11:06,809 --> 00:11:08,390 Speaker 2: Map out growth in their careers. 239 00:11:08,510 --> 00:11:08,830 Speaker 1: I think I 240 00:11:08,830 --> 00:11:12,270 Speaker 1: give you a very specific example. For example, in in 241 00:11:12,270 --> 00:11:15,739 Speaker 1: my industry, right, editor, we have lots of editors and videographers. 242 00:11:15,869 --> 00:11:17,669 Speaker 1: So I always ask them, you want to be a 243 00:11:17,669 --> 00:11:20,179 Speaker 1: manager or you want to be a highly skilled editor, 244 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,630 Speaker 1: you need to choose your path first. So if you 245 00:11:22,630 --> 00:11:24,549 Speaker 1: want to be a manager one day, for example, a 246 00:11:24,549 --> 00:11:27,549 Speaker 1: creative director or producer, then I will give you more 247 00:11:27,549 --> 00:11:31,789 Speaker 1: opportunity of leading a project or working with other editors. 248 00:11:31,909 --> 00:11:33,349 Speaker 1: But if you want to be just. 249 00:11:33,460 --> 00:11:37,099 Speaker 1: Very good at editing solo work or whatever, then you 250 00:11:37,099 --> 00:11:38,659 Speaker 1: need to tell me that as well. So I will 251 00:11:38,659 --> 00:11:41,260 Speaker 1: give you courses, for example, I will pair you up 252 00:11:41,260 --> 00:11:45,299 Speaker 1: with somebody who doesn't have, uh, editing skills. For example, 253 00:11:45,340 --> 00:11:47,939 Speaker 1: you might be working on solo projects with, uh, creatives 254 00:11:47,940 --> 00:11:51,419 Speaker 1: who cannot edit. So career path wise, I will, I 255 00:11:51,419 --> 00:11:54,780 Speaker 1: will try to find the path that they actually aim 256 00:11:54,780 --> 00:11:58,380 Speaker 1: to go for first. Then we help them more. Sounds 257 00:11:58,380 --> 00:11:59,900 Speaker 1: like a great working environment. 258 00:12:00,469 --> 00:12:04,750 Speaker 1: This episodes suddenly sponsored by Banana. Actually, yes, actually, how 259 00:12:04,750 --> 00:12:07,949 Speaker 1: often do you have these like career growth conversations with 260 00:12:07,950 --> 00:12:10,789 Speaker 1: your staff? Only once a year. But we recently changed 261 00:12:10,789 --> 00:12:14,150 Speaker 1: it to twice a year. Uh, also we are issuing 262 00:12:14,150 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 1: our bonus twice a year instead of once a year. 263 00:12:17,919 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: Not saying double the amount, no 264 00:12:20,250 --> 00:12:20,590 Speaker 1: no. 265 00:12:20,705 --> 00:12:21,575 Speaker 2: Split the amount into, 266 00:12:22,616 --> 00:12:25,616 Speaker 1: not split, but I tell you the rationale behind doing 267 00:12:25,616 --> 00:12:29,015 Speaker 1: uh what was that 6 month bonus because most of 268 00:12:29,015 --> 00:12:32,736 Speaker 1: the companies issue you a bonus in December, right? If 269 00:12:32,736 --> 00:12:35,776 Speaker 1: you worked on a huge project, Q1, most people are 270 00:12:35,776 --> 00:12:37,856 Speaker 1: gonna forget about it. So it's for your employer, as 271 00:12:37,856 --> 00:12:40,976 Speaker 1: in it's your friend that you you might forget. 272 00:12:41,091 --> 00:12:43,702 Speaker 2: Is to address re bias. 273 00:12:44,692 --> 00:12:47,771 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool. Actually I think people should jot down 274 00:12:47,771 --> 00:12:50,122 Speaker 1: their successes, I mean across the whole 275 00:12:50,122 --> 00:12:51,242 Speaker 2: year. Then you must keep reminding 276 00:12:51,242 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: you bring out 277 00:12:52,041 --> 00:12:55,122 Speaker 1: your notepad when you when it's appraisal time. Yeah, the 278 00:12:55,122 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: boss can also do the same generally did this. You 279 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,031 Speaker 1: did not do this. I did not do this. 280 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:04,010 Speaker 1: OK, 281 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:05,950 Speaker 2: you can go first. 282 00:13:06,159 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 1: Would 283 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: you rather have 30 employees to manage or 30 kids 284 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,478 Speaker 1: to take care of? 30 employees to manage lah. Who 285 00:13:13,479 --> 00:13:15,549 Speaker 1: wants to have 30 kids to take care of you? No, 286 00:13:18,119 --> 00:13:20,340 Speaker 1: but it's for her. That's why I'm 287 00:13:20,340 --> 00:13:20,789 Speaker 1: not. 288 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 2: If you could ban one word phrase forever, what would 289 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:24,869 Speaker 2: it be? 290 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,489 Speaker 1: Oh, nice to meet you. 291 00:13:29,650 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: Oh. 292 00:13:30,690 --> 00:13:31,489 Speaker 1: Yes, OK, what 293 00:13:31,489 --> 00:13:32,299 Speaker 1: is an alternative? 294 00:13:32,380 --> 00:13:34,579 Speaker 2: Nice to meet you lah. Good to connect. Ah 295 00:13:34,580 --> 00:13:35,169 Speaker 1: good to connect. Yeah, 296 00:13:45,580 --> 00:13:45,729 Speaker 2: when it, when it first came out, it was cool, OK. 297 00:13:45,739 --> 00:13:47,609 Speaker 2: 020 we're talking on the internet. Wow. 298 00:13:47,900 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: When the first person who emailed me like that, I'm like, 299 00:13:52,090 --> 00:13:53,780 Speaker 1: you are so creative. 300 00:13:56,479 --> 00:13:59,929 Speaker 1: If you could invent a holiday, what would it celebrate? OK, 301 00:14:00,020 --> 00:14:02,849 Speaker 1: I feel like there needs to be another holiday before Halloween. 302 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,799 Speaker 1: So then back to back, right, every single month got 303 00:14:04,799 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: something 304 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:05,630 Speaker 1: to celebrate. 305 00:14:05,719 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 2: Like what? I don't know. I cannot remember September. 306 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:12,909 Speaker 1: September, yes, let's think of September's Day, September 1 whole week, 307 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: everyone gets 308 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: to travel. But like not the school holiday. No, it's 309 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:19,750 Speaker 1: just the working adults. Working adults holiday. 310 00:14:20,039 --> 00:14:20,830 Speaker 2: Nice. Not bad. 311 00:14:21,119 --> 00:14:23,830 Speaker 1: What's something you can't believe people still do? 312 00:14:24,409 --> 00:14:28,890 Speaker 1: Abuse animals. And on that note, testing on animals for products, 313 00:14:29,010 --> 00:14:31,030 Speaker 1: we have AI already. Can't we just input all the 314 00:14:31,030 --> 00:14:33,650 Speaker 1: ingredients and then it will detect whether there's something that 315 00:14:33,650 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: will cause a chemical imbalance. 316 00:14:36,070 --> 00:14:42,020 Speaker 2: OK, next story by user curious Singaporean. Interesting. So, I'm 317 00:14:42,020 --> 00:14:47,039 Speaker 2: in a sticky situation now, context, worked in Company X 318 00:14:47,039 --> 00:14:51,679 Speaker 2: for a short while before going on hospitalization and maternity leave. 319 00:14:52,650 --> 00:14:55,289 Speaker 2: Team is well known for high turnover rate due to 320 00:14:55,289 --> 00:14:58,859 Speaker 2: the workload. Boss doesn't like me, not sure why. It 321 00:14:58,859 --> 00:15:01,809 Speaker 2: could be due to my pregnancy and inability to take 322 00:15:01,809 --> 00:15:04,169 Speaker 2: on some of the physically straining tasks. 323 00:15:04,630 --> 00:15:08,010 Speaker 2: And doing the work differently. Boss put me on extended 324 00:15:08,010 --> 00:15:12,739 Speaker 2: probation bra plus 3 months during the 3 month performance review. 325 00:15:13,609 --> 00:15:16,780 Speaker 2: So I was still on probation during maternity leave. Then 326 00:15:16,780 --> 00:15:19,700 Speaker 2: during my maternity leave, there were new hires and the 327 00:15:19,700 --> 00:15:23,820 Speaker 2: team became quite close. Then plot twist. 328 00:15:24,690 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 2: Suddenly, the boss resigned and replaced by a new boss, 329 00:15:31,210 --> 00:15:35,090 Speaker 2: but I've been removed from the work WhatsApp group chat 330 00:15:35,090 --> 00:15:38,729 Speaker 2: without warning. I have already made up my mind to 331 00:15:38,729 --> 00:15:41,849 Speaker 2: resign after maternity leave. If I'm still going to be 332 00:15:41,849 --> 00:15:45,210 Speaker 2: under the old boss because she will definitely fail my 333 00:15:45,210 --> 00:15:48,890 Speaker 2: probation plus nitpick on my work. But now that old 334 00:15:48,890 --> 00:15:52,010 Speaker 2: boss is gone, I feel like it's akin to working 335 00:15:52,010 --> 00:15:53,409 Speaker 2: in a new environment. 336 00:15:53,770 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: So I'm having second thoughts about resigning. Will a new 337 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,599 Speaker 2: boss want to keep me on the team? I feel 338 00:15:59,599 --> 00:16:02,679 Speaker 2: there's a lot of workplace politics at play here. What's 339 00:16:02,679 --> 00:16:05,710 Speaker 2: my best option now? Should I quit during my maternity leave? 340 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,429 Speaker 1: First of all, I felt like I was reading a book. 341 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:08,659 Speaker 1: Probation is when you first 342 00:16:08,659 --> 00:16:09,140 Speaker 1: joined the company, 343 00:16:09,539 --> 00:16:09,739 Speaker 2: right? 344 00:16:10,099 --> 00:16:12,909 Speaker 1: So it says during the 3 month performance review. 345 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:16,669 Speaker 2: Yeah, that means she never passed la. Yeah, 346 00:16:16,719 --> 00:16:17,359 Speaker 1: that means she go 347 00:16:17,359 --> 00:16:18,130 Speaker 1: in 348 00:16:18,130 --> 00:16:19,929 Speaker 1: heavily 349 00:16:19,929 --> 00:16:22,159 Speaker 2: pregnant heavily pregnant because she also not able to do the. 350 00:16:22,244 --> 00:16:25,034 Speaker 2: Physically straining tasks and then this person also never say 351 00:16:25,034 --> 00:16:27,145 Speaker 2: what kind of job they're doing. Like, is it an 352 00:16:27,145 --> 00:16:29,395 Speaker 2: admin job then like what's what's physically straining like you 353 00:16:29,395 --> 00:16:33,234 Speaker 2: go and refill refill the paper and the printer she 354 00:16:33,234 --> 00:16:34,474 Speaker 2: or is she a firefighter then be a firefighter, 355 00:16:34,484 --> 00:16:39,715 Speaker 1: right? No, she said my boss 356 00:16:39,715 --> 00:16:41,594 Speaker 1: doesn't like me, not sure why, but could be due 357 00:16:41,594 --> 00:16:45,234 Speaker 1: to my pregnancy. I mean, if I hired you. 358 00:16:45,729 --> 00:16:47,809 Speaker 1: Today you tell me in a week, I'm going to 359 00:16:47,809 --> 00:16:48,409 Speaker 1: labor in 360 00:16:48,409 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: one week. 361 00:16:49,049 --> 00:16:52,289 Speaker 2: I'll be quite pissed like I mean I feel like 362 00:16:52,289 --> 00:16:54,719 Speaker 2: um deceived. It's not about the fact that you are 363 00:16:54,719 --> 00:16:57,330 Speaker 2: pregnant or not available to work, but it's more the 364 00:16:57,330 --> 00:17:00,289 Speaker 2: fact that you essentially put me in a position where 365 00:17:00,289 --> 00:17:02,250 Speaker 2: like I hired someone thinking that I'm going to have 366 00:17:02,250 --> 00:17:05,479 Speaker 2: somebody in this role, starting on this day, and then 367 00:17:05,479 --> 00:17:07,319 Speaker 2: now you're going on maternity leave, I will need to 368 00:17:07,439 --> 00:17:08,369 Speaker 2: to like figure out. 369 00:17:08,525 --> 00:17:10,984 Speaker 2: Like, you know, the manpower, is that manpower issue for 370 00:17:10,984 --> 00:17:11,385 Speaker 2: me again? 371 00:17:11,464 --> 00:17:14,744 Speaker 1: It's true. I think it's very easy nowadays like especially 372 00:17:14,744 --> 00:17:18,194 Speaker 1: on social media, like we are trying so hard to 373 00:17:18,194 --> 00:17:20,905 Speaker 1: undo all the injustice. So if let's say a pregnant 374 00:17:20,905 --> 00:17:23,045 Speaker 1: woman like comes out with an expose and says like 375 00:17:23,045 --> 00:17:26,094 Speaker 1: oh my god, my boss discriminated against me because I'm pregnant, 376 00:17:26,454 --> 00:17:28,385 Speaker 1: immediately everyone's like how can you do that? Like pregnant 377 00:17:28,385 --> 00:17:30,385 Speaker 1: women deserve to have their jobs too. But if you 378 00:17:30,385 --> 00:17:31,544 Speaker 1: don't understand context. 379 00:17:31,959 --> 00:17:36,270 Speaker 1: If let's say you've exploited the maternity leave and you 380 00:17:36,270 --> 00:17:38,310 Speaker 1: decided to keep this information to yourself or like actually 381 00:17:38,310 --> 00:17:39,869 Speaker 1: you can go back to work, but you just want 382 00:17:39,869 --> 00:17:42,030 Speaker 1: to make it very difficult. Like I feel like it's 383 00:17:42,030 --> 00:17:44,390 Speaker 1: very case by case and we cannot just lump it 384 00:17:44,390 --> 00:17:47,750 Speaker 1: in all mothers or like new mothers are 385 00:17:47,750 --> 00:17:50,379 Speaker 2: right. You know, the big tech companies, they have something 386 00:17:50,380 --> 00:17:53,198 Speaker 2: like 6 or 7 months paid maternity leave, right? 387 00:17:53,569 --> 00:17:56,130 Speaker 2: So I had like this friend joined one of these 388 00:17:56,130 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 2: tech companies, um, and she was pregnant like first trimester. 389 00:18:00,530 --> 00:18:03,290 Speaker 2: So she worked for 23 months past probation and went 390 00:18:03,290 --> 00:18:06,250 Speaker 2: on maternity leave, came back from maternity leave, right, worked 391 00:18:06,250 --> 00:18:09,329 Speaker 2: 1 month, right, then got pregnant again. Then in total, 392 00:18:09,369 --> 00:18:13,929 Speaker 2: I think like this person had 3 kids, um, so 393 00:18:13,930 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 2: in the span of, I think something like 3 or 394 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,329 Speaker 2: 4 years, right, she probably only worked, I think like 20-30% 395 00:18:19,329 --> 00:18:19,930 Speaker 2: of that time. 396 00:18:20,219 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 2: And then after the 3rd year was done and she 397 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,849 Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I'm, I've had all my kids, right? 398 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 2: And then she resigned and after that on her resume, 399 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:28,478 Speaker 2: she can say she worked there for 3 years. Yeah, 400 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 2: she worked at a big tech company for 3 or 401 00:18:31,439 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 2: 4 years and 402 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:36,670 Speaker 1: technically like they cannot fire her because she's pregnant, yeah, 403 00:18:36,839 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 1: but in this case, you know what I mean like 404 00:18:38,439 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: how technically you're not being fair to a company, if 405 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: somebody does that to me. 406 00:18:44,969 --> 00:18:47,079 Speaker 1: Um, yeah. OK, but on the flip side, right, let's 407 00:18:47,079 --> 00:18:51,959 Speaker 1: talk about good things, so I can empathize why um 408 00:18:51,959 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 1: mothers find it difficult to return back to work because 409 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,349 Speaker 1: it's like such a long period of time being away 410 00:18:57,349 --> 00:19:00,160 Speaker 1: and then maybe culture change. They are so used to 411 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,219 Speaker 1: being at home with their kids, right? And I think 412 00:19:03,219 --> 00:19:05,839 Speaker 1: sometimes people downplay how difficult it is. 413 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,869 Speaker 1: To be a mom, a working mom. Yeah, 414 00:19:08,030 --> 00:19:11,659 Speaker 2: so one of my very close friends, um, like at work, 415 00:19:12,030 --> 00:19:14,349 Speaker 2: she was very stressed on maternity leave because we had 416 00:19:14,349 --> 00:19:17,510 Speaker 2: a lot of changes at the workplace, um, while she 417 00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:19,550 Speaker 2: was away to the point where like, you know, she 418 00:19:19,550 --> 00:19:22,099 Speaker 2: gave birth one month later, she will start popping back 419 00:19:22,099 --> 00:19:24,550 Speaker 2: into the office and and all that with a newborn 420 00:19:24,550 --> 00:19:26,750 Speaker 2: at home. So I could empathize like. 421 00:19:27,180 --> 00:19:30,469 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really not easy to feel so disconnected or 422 00:19:30,469 --> 00:19:33,229 Speaker 2: to take your maternity leave in peace, especially in like 423 00:19:33,229 --> 00:19:35,438 Speaker 2: the high stress and corporate environment. 424 00:19:35,650 --> 00:19:36,170 Speaker 1: Like throughout 425 00:19:36,170 --> 00:19:38,488 Speaker 1: pregnancy you lose so much of yourself because you are 426 00:19:38,489 --> 00:19:41,949 Speaker 1: thinking for someone else and you are rebranded as a mother, 427 00:19:42,010 --> 00:19:43,688 Speaker 1: but you're still a woman, you are still who you 428 00:19:43,689 --> 00:19:45,810 Speaker 1: used to be. And if you go back to work right, 429 00:19:45,930 --> 00:19:47,890 Speaker 1: then there will be people like, oh my God, what 430 00:19:47,890 --> 00:19:50,239 Speaker 1: a bad mother, you don't care about your baby at home. 431 00:19:50,410 --> 00:19:52,250 Speaker 1: Doesn't your baby need you? Like it's so hard to 432 00:19:52,250 --> 00:19:52,889 Speaker 1: juggle these two. 433 00:19:53,064 --> 00:19:56,915 Speaker 1: To new identities that you have to find middle ground with. 434 00:19:57,084 --> 00:19:59,275 Speaker 1: One of my good friends, she's a mother of three, 435 00:19:59,604 --> 00:20:03,474 Speaker 1: and her friends judge her for working because they say 436 00:20:03,474 --> 00:20:06,314 Speaker 1: you are not home for your kids, which I felt 437 00:20:06,314 --> 00:20:09,165 Speaker 1: that's very unfair. But luckily she's a strong and independent woman. 438 00:20:09,244 --> 00:20:11,744 Speaker 1: She's just like, I do me and then you know, 439 00:20:11,755 --> 00:20:12,944 Speaker 1: you you shut up. 440 00:20:13,405 --> 00:20:15,885 Speaker 2: I think something that's not talked about enough also is 441 00:20:15,885 --> 00:20:18,895 Speaker 2: that beyond maternity leave, there are some moms who 442 00:20:19,420 --> 00:20:21,459 Speaker 2: Make the decision to like I'm going to be a 443 00:20:21,459 --> 00:20:23,699 Speaker 2: full-time mom for a while. So I stepped away from 444 00:20:23,699 --> 00:20:26,899 Speaker 2: my corporate career or my like career and then I'm 445 00:20:26,900 --> 00:20:28,569 Speaker 2: going to like take a 1 or 2 years off 446 00:20:28,569 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 2: and then really just be a mom la, which I 447 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,260 Speaker 2: think is super admirable, whether you're a mom or a dad. 448 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,810 Speaker 2: But what makes it very difficult is then re-entering the 449 00:20:36,810 --> 00:20:40,390 Speaker 2: workforce after that. How do you explain like, oh, career 450 00:20:40,390 --> 00:20:42,930 Speaker 2: gap of 2 years and and all that. So actually 451 00:20:42,930 --> 00:20:46,770 Speaker 2: there are some initiatives by like WSG and other kind 452 00:20:46,770 --> 00:20:50,329 Speaker 2: of like um career portals out there, right, that will 453 00:20:50,329 --> 00:20:54,410 Speaker 2: help provide guidance or at least like a step by 454 00:20:54,410 --> 00:20:58,650 Speaker 2: step process to reenter the workforce after you've taken some 455 00:20:58,650 --> 00:20:59,930 Speaker 2: time off to start a family. 456 00:21:00,510 --> 00:21:05,339 Speaker 1: Hm. OK, next story by user T Mao N7. Had 457 00:21:05,339 --> 00:21:08,500 Speaker 1: an employee for 2.5 weeks. It was even worse than 458 00:21:08,500 --> 00:21:11,729 Speaker 1: I imagined. She was between 10 and 15 minutes late 459 00:21:11,729 --> 00:21:15,410 Speaker 1: every single day with a variety of different excuses. She 460 00:21:15,410 --> 00:21:20,260 Speaker 1: was almost completely incapable of using a computer despite her 461 00:21:20,260 --> 00:21:23,099 Speaker 1: supposed background in graphic design. She struggled with the concept 462 00:21:23,099 --> 00:21:24,219 Speaker 1: of doing quotes. 463 00:21:24,619 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: Invoices and purchase orders. She took at least twice as 464 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,719 Speaker 1: long as anyone else to do the same job. She 465 00:21:31,719 --> 00:21:34,670 Speaker 1: asked the same questions every day and she was just 466 00:21:34,670 --> 00:21:39,239 Speaker 1: a complete failure. Totally untrainable. I've never been so happy 467 00:21:39,239 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: to see someone fired. Untrainable is damn brutal. To be 468 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: told you are untrainable is like you are unteachable. I 469 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 1: got a question. How long is too late? 470 00:21:49,599 --> 00:21:53,270 Speaker 1: Is 15 minutes OK? Oh, we, we used to have 471 00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:56,390 Speaker 1: a grace period, so our working hour is 10 to 6. 472 00:21:56,869 --> 00:21:58,989 Speaker 1: So I used to have a late jar. If you 473 00:21:58,989 --> 00:22:02,859 Speaker 1: arrive later than 10:10, then you pay $2 something like that. 474 00:22:02,989 --> 00:22:05,869 Speaker 1: So 10:10, I think I can close one night. Or 475 00:22:05,869 --> 00:22:07,829 Speaker 1: once in a while if you are super late, I mean, accidents, 476 00:22:07,869 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 1: those don't count. 477 00:22:08,790 --> 00:22:09,030 Speaker 2: 30 478 00:22:09,030 --> 00:22:09,379 Speaker 1: minutes. 479 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,438 Speaker 1: have somebody who's late every single day. 480 00:22:12,699 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 2: I think it depends what kind of workplace is it? 481 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,770 Speaker 2: If it's like a very structured 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. 482 00:22:18,770 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 2: kind of workplace where I don't expect you to work 483 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 2: at all after 6 p.m., then I think it's fair 484 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,829 Speaker 2: to to kind of like expect you to be on time. 485 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,109 Speaker 2: But then if it's somewhere where like as an employer, 486 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 2: I expect you to like sometimes 8 p.m. I need 487 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,869 Speaker 2: you to take a call, 10 p.m. I need you 488 00:22:35,869 --> 00:22:37,469 Speaker 2: to jump in on a meeting. 489 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,670 Speaker 2: Uh, we work late hours, then I'm fine for you 490 00:22:40,670 --> 00:22:44,709 Speaker 2: to work flexibly as long as you are not missing 491 00:22:44,709 --> 00:22:47,349 Speaker 2: meetings or coming in late to like meetings or like 492 00:22:47,349 --> 00:22:49,229 Speaker 2: you are where you are supposed to be when you 493 00:22:49,229 --> 00:22:49,839 Speaker 2: are needed. 494 00:22:50,949 --> 00:22:54,270 Speaker 1: Then, OK, what about lying in their resume because this 495 00:22:54,270 --> 00:22:57,958 Speaker 1: person was supposed to be good at graphic design, right? 496 00:22:58,900 --> 00:23:02,389 Speaker 1: Nowadays, a lot of people say they like are fantastic 497 00:23:02,390 --> 00:23:05,379 Speaker 1: in graphic design but it is just Canva. Canva is 498 00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 1: is glorified PowerPoint. I love Canva. I love Canva, but 499 00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:11,750 Speaker 1: it doesn't make you a graphic designer. Yeah, because if 500 00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:15,109 Speaker 1: you have zero relevant skills to a job that you 501 00:23:15,109 --> 00:23:16,599 Speaker 1: apply for, why would 502 00:23:16,839 --> 00:23:19,109 Speaker 1: People hire you in the first place unless you lie 503 00:23:19,109 --> 00:23:22,780 Speaker 1: on your resume. Unless you are hiring them based on potential. 504 00:23:23,030 --> 00:23:24,989 Speaker 1: Like they have a lot of other skill sets that 505 00:23:24,989 --> 00:23:26,948 Speaker 1: you feel like might contribute to your company. 506 00:23:26,989 --> 00:23:28,869 Speaker 2: It's just that transferable skill sets might be. 507 00:23:29,390 --> 00:23:32,030 Speaker 1: OK. So then that one thing that you are also 508 00:23:32,030 --> 00:23:34,708 Speaker 1: looking out for, they are just lacking in that. So 509 00:23:34,709 --> 00:23:37,429 Speaker 1: it's just, I guess my question is whether it's kind 510 00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:40,229 Speaker 1: of like the employee's responsibility to go and train them. 511 00:23:40,589 --> 00:23:44,899 Speaker 1: first before entering or is it the employer's. If everything 512 00:23:44,900 --> 00:23:47,699 Speaker 1: you are searching for requires you to do and learn 513 00:23:47,699 --> 00:23:50,420 Speaker 1: something different, maybe you need to look at what you're 514 00:23:50,420 --> 00:23:52,229 Speaker 1: searching for. But I feel like it's a bit of both, 515 00:23:52,410 --> 00:23:54,579 Speaker 1: like you can't go into expecting everything to be done 516 00:23:54,579 --> 00:23:56,979 Speaker 1: for you. If you are passionate about the role, you 517 00:23:56,979 --> 00:23:58,819 Speaker 1: already know you are lacking and you don't meet the 518 00:23:58,819 --> 00:24:03,180 Speaker 1: minimum like JD right? Then you have to change and 519 00:24:03,180 --> 00:24:03,650 Speaker 1: say like OK. 520 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,089 Speaker 1: I know I'm not up to par, but these are 521 00:24:06,089 --> 00:24:08,170 Speaker 1: the plans I have and I'm really going to take 522 00:24:08,170 --> 00:24:10,688 Speaker 1: these courses. I'm very interested, like this is what I 523 00:24:10,689 --> 00:24:13,188 Speaker 1: can offer to you. Then the boss is like, OK, sure, 524 00:24:13,209 --> 00:24:16,209 Speaker 1: like I love that you are so passionate about it 525 00:24:16,209 --> 00:24:18,969 Speaker 1: rather than hiring someone who is very qualified but doesn't 526 00:24:18,969 --> 00:24:22,550 Speaker 1: care about your company and your course. Yeah. But can 527 00:24:22,550 --> 00:24:25,290 Speaker 1: I just shout out, right? Like there are so many 528 00:24:25,290 --> 00:24:27,209 Speaker 1: reasons to expand your skill set. 529 00:24:27,949 --> 00:24:30,469 Speaker 1: Like not even for jobs. Do you see the TikToks 530 00:24:30,469 --> 00:24:32,790 Speaker 1: of like the old people in the TikTok course? Then 531 00:24:32,790 --> 00:24:35,909 Speaker 1: they post their first TikTok video. so cute. Oh my god, 532 00:24:35,989 --> 00:24:39,030 Speaker 1: the auntie, she posts my first TikTok video. That's all 533 00:24:39,030 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: old people learning how to use TikTok and their assignment 534 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,550 Speaker 1: was to post a TikTok. I mean they're not gonna. 535 00:24:43,689 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: Go and like work and join banana, you know, maybe 536 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 1: if they join for seniors, there's a government benefits for companies. 537 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: Actually you should hire like a very slay auntie, how 538 00:24:58,880 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 1: do you suss out? 539 00:25:00,569 --> 00:25:01,409 Speaker 1: Um, liars, 540 00:25:01,609 --> 00:25:01,619 Speaker 2: yeah, 541 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,729 Speaker 1: let me think, uh, not that I remember. Let me think, 542 00:25:05,849 --> 00:25:07,810 Speaker 1: let me think how long to see the portfolio. 543 00:25:10,369 --> 00:25:10,488 Speaker 2: No, 544 00:25:10,729 --> 00:25:12,780 Speaker 1: creative, there's one way that you can lie about it, 545 00:25:12,810 --> 00:25:15,448 Speaker 1: which I believe some people I interviewed lied about it. 546 00:25:15,530 --> 00:25:18,438 Speaker 1: For example, today's video, this video we're filming right now. 547 00:25:18,609 --> 00:25:19,930 Speaker 1: I put this in my portfolio. 548 00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:23,939 Speaker 1: I don't really indicate what I did. Oh, in interviews 549 00:25:23,939 --> 00:25:25,979 Speaker 1: I will always ask. I will also ask. They will 550 00:25:25,979 --> 00:25:29,550 Speaker 1: say I'm the producer. I, yeah, I'm the assistant producer. 551 00:25:29,979 --> 00:25:33,219 Speaker 1: Imagine like they ordered the lunch for the. How are 552 00:25:33,219 --> 00:25:36,859 Speaker 1: you gonna verify? Sometimes not all videos have credits, right? 553 00:25:36,900 --> 00:25:37,339 Speaker 1: What are? 554 00:25:37,439 --> 00:25:41,910 Speaker 1: The employee red flags. Employee, employee, not employer. I think 555 00:25:41,910 --> 00:25:44,750 Speaker 1: just being disrespectful and not not having the right etiquette, 556 00:25:45,109 --> 00:25:47,469 Speaker 1: during meetings or the right tone of 557 00:25:47,469 --> 00:25:47,670 Speaker 1: voice. 558 00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:50,069 Speaker 2: I think refusing to come into the office on this 559 00:25:50,069 --> 00:25:51,989 Speaker 2: that you're supposed to be in the office and then 560 00:25:51,989 --> 00:25:54,339 Speaker 2: you dial in like for a call. 561 00:25:54,650 --> 00:25:57,579 Speaker 2: And then you refuse to turn on your camera. Yeah, 562 00:25:57,589 --> 00:25:59,750 Speaker 2: to me this is like basic courtesy. 563 00:26:01,790 --> 00:26:04,709 Speaker 1: I think of MCs within the 1st 3 months of 564 00:26:04,709 --> 00:26:08,670 Speaker 1: working is a red flag flag, and then they will 565 00:26:08,670 --> 00:26:11,708 Speaker 1: say mental health. I can't believe I'm saying this word. Yeah, 566 00:26:11,890 --> 00:26:14,869 Speaker 1: this is a struggle for all employers today. Yeah, if 567 00:26:14,869 --> 00:26:15,448 Speaker 1: it's mental health. 568 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: Not diagnosed, just like I'm feeling down today, which I sympathize, 569 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: but a job is a job you know you got 570 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 1: to show up lah. Yeah, something like that. There's this 571 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: whole culture around like we only get one life, like 572 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: quit that job and do what you want. It's like 573 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 1: bred this idea that your job needs to be something 574 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,810 Speaker 1: that you are so fervently passionate about and as a result, right, 575 00:26:39,319 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: anyone that faces any challenges at work, they take it 576 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:42,079 Speaker 1: like oh my God. 577 00:26:42,170 --> 00:26:45,229 Speaker 1: It's toxic. Not for me. I'm going to leave this job, 578 00:26:45,479 --> 00:26:47,719 Speaker 1: but it's a job. Like it's not supposed to be 579 00:26:47,719 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: fun all the time. There needs to be moments where 580 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,079 Speaker 1: you put in more work where maybe you are losing 581 00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: a bit of sleep over a project, but it's because 582 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,599 Speaker 1: you care about it. Like you need to put in 583 00:26:56,599 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: some 584 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:57,550 Speaker 1: effort. 585 00:26:57,719 --> 00:27:00,729 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like there's a very small percentage of 586 00:27:00,729 --> 00:27:04,439 Speaker 2: people who are fortunate enough to be doing something that 587 00:27:04,439 --> 00:27:07,319 Speaker 2: they love, like truly love and feel fulfilled about and 588 00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 2: passionate about. 589 00:27:08,599 --> 00:27:11,139 Speaker 2: And at the same time be paid well for it. 590 00:27:11,660 --> 00:27:14,260 Speaker 2: The rest of us just need to understand that sometimes 591 00:27:14,260 --> 00:27:15,839 Speaker 2: the job is a means to an end. 592 00:27:17,479 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: To all our mamas and girlies out there, nice to 593 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: meet you. I hope this notification finds you well. If 594 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: you're thinking of returning back to the workforce and not 595 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,310 Speaker 1: sure where to start, her career initiative by Workforce Singapore 596 00:27:30,599 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: might just be what you need. 597 00:27:31,959 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 2: I 598 00:27:32,199 --> 00:27:34,349 Speaker 2: heard that they have a whole suite of 599 00:27:34,395 --> 00:27:38,704 Speaker 2: Programs and services to help guide you through the process 600 00:27:38,704 --> 00:27:42,305 Speaker 2: so that you have the skills and confidence to re-enter 601 00:27:42,305 --> 00:27:43,094 Speaker 2: the workforce. 602 00:27:43,265 --> 00:27:46,944 Speaker 1: Interested to find out more, head over to WSG's website 603 00:27:46,944 --> 00:27:50,014 Speaker 1: linked in the description box below and let's circle back 604 00:27:50,015 --> 00:27:51,294 Speaker 1: to the video. 605 00:27:53,099 --> 00:27:58,709 Speaker 1: OK, next story by significant_come28. My manager has really bad 606 00:27:58,709 --> 00:28:01,780 Speaker 1: leadership and is irresponsible and quit because he could not 607 00:28:01,780 --> 00:28:04,550 Speaker 1: handle the stress. For me, I have to handle people's 608 00:28:04,550 --> 00:28:07,949 Speaker 1: egos and do things with uncertainty. I brought all these 609 00:28:07,949 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: things up to one of the executives and he understands 610 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,729 Speaker 1: how we felt. To be honest, he is an example 611 00:28:12,729 --> 00:28:15,810 Speaker 1: of a great leader. It's just that he's too old 612 00:28:15,810 --> 00:28:16,300 Speaker 1: to handle. 613 00:28:16,390 --> 00:28:19,010 Speaker 1: So many of these things and it is affecting his health. 614 00:28:19,500 --> 00:28:21,819 Speaker 1: It's so unstable to the point where I just don't 615 00:28:21,819 --> 00:28:24,339 Speaker 1: really want to do this anymore. I'm looking out for 616 00:28:24,339 --> 00:28:27,020 Speaker 1: more opportunities of course and due to the people we 617 00:28:27,020 --> 00:28:29,579 Speaker 1: have to handle in our company, most of my colleagues 618 00:28:29,579 --> 00:28:33,969 Speaker 1: are leaving and causing us almost a 99% turnover rate. 619 00:28:34,489 --> 00:28:36,890 Speaker 1: Writing this in work by the way, I'm so done. 620 00:28:37,420 --> 00:28:39,689 Speaker 1: Doing this on the work Wi Fi is crazy. 621 00:28:40,270 --> 00:28:42,310 Speaker 1: I got something to say about the leadership part. I 622 00:28:42,310 --> 00:28:45,589 Speaker 1: feel like a good boss and a good manager is 623 00:28:45,589 --> 00:28:49,660 Speaker 1: very different. Like, someone who founded the company is one thing. 624 00:28:49,869 --> 00:28:52,390 Speaker 1: Like they had the idea, they they are creative. But 625 00:28:52,390 --> 00:28:55,069 Speaker 1: then then being a people's person is a very different thing. 626 00:28:55,349 --> 00:28:56,270 Speaker 1: Some people don't 627 00:28:56,270 --> 00:28:57,310 Speaker 1: manage business 628 00:28:57,310 --> 00:28:59,439 Speaker 2: leader and a man is different. 629 00:29:00,229 --> 00:29:03,260 Speaker 1: Yeah, some people are just not meant to do management roles. 630 00:29:04,619 --> 00:29:07,699 Speaker 2: I think an important trait of a business leader is 631 00:29:07,699 --> 00:29:10,239 Speaker 2: to recognize that you are not good at man management 632 00:29:10,239 --> 00:29:12,630 Speaker 2: and to outsource the things that you're not good at it. 633 00:29:14,380 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 2: But actually, uh, reading this right, the way that I 634 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,500 Speaker 2: would have approached this is that in this chaos there's 635 00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:25,410 Speaker 2: opportunity because your immediate manager just left. 636 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,209 Speaker 2: The big boss seems to like you, but he's too 637 00:29:29,209 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 2: old to handle so much, and then you have high turnover. 638 00:29:32,329 --> 00:29:34,209 Speaker 2: So you can either be one of those people that 639 00:29:34,209 --> 00:29:36,479 Speaker 2: also just end up like, oh, I'm out of here, 640 00:29:36,689 --> 00:29:38,609 Speaker 2: or you can be the one that when everybody else 641 00:29:38,609 --> 00:29:41,449 Speaker 2: is leaving you climb la or you position yourself to 642 00:29:41,449 --> 00:29:42,170 Speaker 2: get promoted. 643 00:29:42,250 --> 00:29:42,930 Speaker 1: He's a change 644 00:29:42,930 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: maker 645 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,449 Speaker 2: to 0.2 of the local businesses that I really respect, right? 646 00:29:48,530 --> 00:29:49,619 Speaker 2: First one is Love Bonito. 647 00:29:50,050 --> 00:29:52,890 Speaker 2: Um, because Rachel, the founder, she put in place Dion 648 00:29:52,890 --> 00:29:56,738 Speaker 2: to to run the business because she had said before that, like, yeah, 649 00:29:56,859 --> 00:29:58,579 Speaker 2: I don't think I'm the right person to be CEO 650 00:29:58,579 --> 00:30:00,339 Speaker 2: in the long term as the business grows. It's grown 651 00:30:00,339 --> 00:30:01,739 Speaker 2: to the point where I think I need to bring 652 00:30:01,739 --> 00:30:04,500 Speaker 2: somebody in, and then SAC is the other one as 653 00:30:04,500 --> 00:30:07,339 Speaker 2: well because like Carl, Adrian, I think they have like 654 00:30:07,339 --> 00:30:10,359 Speaker 2: Cassie and Michelle as the GM CEOs to run the 655 00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:12,260 Speaker 2: business so that they can focus on the things that 656 00:30:12,260 --> 00:30:13,540 Speaker 2: they are they are good at. 657 00:30:13,619 --> 00:30:14,010 Speaker 1: I think it 658 00:30:14,010 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: took me a while to 659 00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:18,589 Speaker 1: To learn what you just said, like when I first 660 00:30:18,589 --> 00:30:21,989 Speaker 1: started my uh company, right, to me it was like, OK, 661 00:30:22,030 --> 00:30:24,510 Speaker 1: I just want to hire junior staff. My goal is 662 00:30:24,510 --> 00:30:26,709 Speaker 1: to train somebody who can replace me one day so 663 00:30:26,709 --> 00:30:29,069 Speaker 1: they can work and I can just chill out, you know, 664 00:30:29,150 --> 00:30:31,189 Speaker 1: that's the like first two years, not gonna lie, that 665 00:30:31,189 --> 00:30:32,790 Speaker 1: was my goal. But along the. 666 00:30:32,849 --> 00:30:34,780 Speaker 1: The years you learn that if you want to grow 667 00:30:34,780 --> 00:30:36,819 Speaker 1: something or even even if you just want to keep 668 00:30:36,819 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: yourself excited, right, you need to hire people who's better 669 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,650 Speaker 1: than you. You need to hire people who are able 670 00:30:41,650 --> 00:30:43,270 Speaker 1: to do stuff that you are not able to do. 671 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: Otherwise you can't stimulate yourself all the time, right? And 672 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,599 Speaker 1: also like what's the point? If you are the ceiling 673 00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:49,890 Speaker 1: of your business then. 674 00:30:50,589 --> 00:30:52,959 Speaker 1: That will that will your business will be as good 675 00:30:52,959 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: as now. I think good leadership also is just listening 676 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: to your employees and actually caring for them. I feel 677 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,069 Speaker 1: like a great leader or a great boss to me 678 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: is the ability to have hard conversations. Because I feel 679 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,310 Speaker 1: like I wouldn't want someone to sugarcoat my behavior or 680 00:31:09,550 --> 00:31:11,839 Speaker 1: or let's say, let's say I haven't been doing well 681 00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:15,359 Speaker 1: in a specific aspect of my my JD right? I 682 00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:18,119 Speaker 1: feel like some people, some bosses or some employers are 683 00:31:18,119 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: actually a bit. 684 00:31:19,209 --> 00:31:22,839 Speaker 1: Comfortable to have those kind of conversations to tell you 685 00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:25,839 Speaker 1: to mark up lah. Yeah. And knowing how to do 686 00:31:25,839 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: that tactfully correct. The tech is so important. And I 687 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:34,390 Speaker 1: think listening first before talking about the issue is very important. 688 00:31:34,719 --> 00:31:35,609 Speaker 1: Don't assume that. 689 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,589 Speaker 1: They are just not capable. They might be going through something. 690 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,599 Speaker 1: To me, I think a great leader is someone who 691 00:31:41,599 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: knows how to place the right person in the right spot, 692 00:31:43,959 --> 00:31:47,319 Speaker 1: doing the right job and then maximize the efficiency or 693 00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:51,949 Speaker 1: whatever optimization and whatnot. Yeah, I think that that's that's one. 694 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: And uh another thing is uh being very transparent. I 695 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: think my style is quite transparent. I tell my employees, 696 00:31:57,310 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: all of them. 697 00:31:58,479 --> 00:32:02,420 Speaker 1: For example, uh, what's our expenses? Like this is our 698 00:32:02,420 --> 00:32:05,119 Speaker 1: shared risk, and I share with my employees about if 699 00:32:05,119 --> 00:32:06,140 Speaker 1: we're doing well or if we're 700 00:32:06,140 --> 00:32:06,510 Speaker 1: doing, 701 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 2: which I think is another thing that's related to that 702 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,550 Speaker 2: which is transparency, which not a lot of like leaders 703 00:32:12,550 --> 00:32:14,839 Speaker 2: or bosses are with their employees. 704 00:32:15,199 --> 00:32:17,479 Speaker 1: I'm very curious now like how would a conversation go 705 00:32:17,479 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: down if let's say Nick is working at your company 706 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,319 Speaker 1: and he hasn't really been 707 00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:23,260 Speaker 2: performing me now firing. 708 00:32:26,540 --> 00:32:28,420 Speaker 2: You need to put me on PIP. You've 709 00:32:28,420 --> 00:32:32,060 Speaker 1: been like operating at 55%, yeah. And then every day 710 00:32:32,060 --> 00:32:39,260 Speaker 1: in late. 321 action. So, uh, I've noticed some behaviors 711 00:32:39,260 --> 00:32:41,420 Speaker 1: and I would like to address them today. OK. Why 712 00:32:41,420 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: were you late every day? 713 00:32:44,459 --> 00:32:46,540 Speaker 2: I am late or early? 714 00:32:48,339 --> 00:32:48,739 Speaker 1: Uh, you're 715 00:32:49,699 --> 00:32:49,709 Speaker 2: OK, 716 00:32:50,569 --> 00:32:53,890 Speaker 1: fair. Also, you're not performing like most of the projects 717 00:32:53,890 --> 00:32:57,130 Speaker 1: are being very sloppy about it and I correct above 718 00:32:57,650 --> 00:33:02,250 Speaker 1: 50 mistakes in your previous pitching decks and I think 719 00:33:02,250 --> 00:33:05,729 Speaker 1: it's a very junior mistakes that I did not expect 720 00:33:05,729 --> 00:33:06,170 Speaker 1: you to make. 721 00:33:06,329 --> 00:33:10,010 Speaker 2: To be fair, like the last pitch that you told 722 00:33:10,010 --> 00:33:13,849 Speaker 2: me got 60s. So now 50 actually. 723 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,339 Speaker 2: Getting a bit better. I'm trying my best. 724 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,530 Speaker 1: Am I expecting a change soon or are you gonna 725 00:33:21,530 --> 00:33:25,709 Speaker 1: keep talking to me with that attitude attitude? I'm serious. 726 00:33:26,670 --> 00:33:27,339 Speaker 2: OK, OK, 727 00:33:27,420 --> 00:33:28,238 Speaker 1: I changed. 728 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:35,180 Speaker 1: And that is why Banana is performing on top. who 729 00:33:35,180 --> 00:33:37,380 Speaker 1: is going to talk like him? Nobody talk to me 730 00:33:37,380 --> 00:33:40,180 Speaker 1: like that. But if you like this, I like that. 731 00:33:40,260 --> 00:33:42,420 Speaker 1: Oh my God, I love it. A boss who cares 732 00:33:42,420 --> 00:33:44,380 Speaker 1: enough to tell you when you are wrong, right? It's 733 00:33:44,380 --> 00:33:46,609 Speaker 1: because they can see that like you can do better. 734 00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:48,810 Speaker 1: Same with parents, right? They will tell you these things. 735 00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:51,300 Speaker 1: Thank you for putting it that way. You know how 736 00:33:51,300 --> 00:33:54,050 Speaker 1: Nick mentioned that this looks like an opportunity. 737 00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:56,939 Speaker 1: But then what if people really feel like they're done 738 00:33:56,939 --> 00:33:58,959 Speaker 1: with their job? I think like what Nick said earlier, 739 00:33:59,140 --> 00:34:02,339 Speaker 1: WSG has career guidance and career conversion programs, so you 740 00:34:02,339 --> 00:34:05,500 Speaker 1: can look into that. Sometimes a switch might do you 741 00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:08,569 Speaker 1: way better than like staying in a place like forcing 742 00:34:08,899 --> 00:34:09,428 Speaker 1: it to work. 743 00:34:09,780 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 2: It's like how some footballer then suddenly they like yeah. 744 00:34:13,260 --> 00:34:15,300 Speaker 1: Alright guys, if you could go back in time and 745 00:34:15,300 --> 00:34:18,270 Speaker 1: give your younger self a career advice, what would it be? 746 00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 2: Always look for a mentor. 747 00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:24,889 Speaker 2: That you can model your career. 748 00:34:25,780 --> 00:34:25,979 Speaker 1: I 749 00:34:25,979 --> 00:34:28,620 Speaker 1: would tell my younger self to keep exploring different opportunities 750 00:34:28,620 --> 00:34:33,290 Speaker 1: and experiences. Yeah. And don't be too restricted based on 751 00:34:33,540 --> 00:34:35,939 Speaker 1: what's presented in front of you. I would say be 752 00:34:35,939 --> 00:34:38,580 Speaker 1: open to communicating and don't be afraid to sound out 753 00:34:38,580 --> 00:34:42,178 Speaker 1: when something is wrong. Mine is be nicer. Hey, love 754 00:34:42,179 --> 00:34:46,060 Speaker 1: that one. That's just that. I love that, short and sweet. OK, 755 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,259 Speaker 2: so to wrap up, I think the key message for 756 00:34:48,260 --> 00:34:51,699 Speaker 2: today is that whether you are an employer or an employee. 757 00:34:52,110 --> 00:34:57,370 Speaker 2: Breaking out of a toxic workplace requires intentional steps from everyone. 758 00:34:57,659 --> 00:35:00,770 Speaker 2: So whether you're planning your career or seeking growth opportunities 759 00:35:00,770 --> 00:35:03,340 Speaker 2: or guidance on which paths to take, it's up to 760 00:35:03,340 --> 00:35:07,179 Speaker 2: all of us to foster healthier workplaces and empower one another. 761 00:35:08,620 --> 00:35:10,219 Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us on the Hot Pot. You 762 00:35:10,219 --> 00:35:13,050 Speaker 1: can also listen to us on Spotify, Apple Podcast and 763 00:35:13,050 --> 00:35:15,379 Speaker 1: me Listen and subscribe to our channel if you haven't 764 00:35:15,379 --> 00:35:15,669 Speaker 1: already. 765 00:35:15,699 --> 00:35:17,639 Speaker 2: And thank you Lingi for joining us today. 766 00:35:17,810 --> 00:35:18,899 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. 767 00:35:19,060 --> 00:35:21,500 Speaker 2: Thank you. And for our employer listeners out there who 768 00:35:21,500 --> 00:35:24,580 Speaker 2: are considering investing in your employees, work for. 769 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,179 Speaker 2: Spore actually offers a whole suite that's very comprehensive of 770 00:35:29,179 --> 00:35:32,679 Speaker 2: workforce transformation tools and services to help you to attract, 771 00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:37,100 Speaker 2: retain and develop your staff. Visit their website for more information. 772 00:35:37,229 --> 00:35:39,179 Speaker 2: The link is in the description box below. 773 00:35:39,350 --> 00:35:39,790 Speaker 1: And we will see 774 00:35:39,790 --> 00:35:42,120 Speaker 1: you on the next episode. Bye bye. 775 00:35:43,129 --> 00:35:46,199 Speaker 1: If you could invent a holiday, what would it celebrate? 776 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 2: OK my birthday. 777 00:35:49,550 --> 00:35:50,280 Speaker 1: No 778 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,010 Speaker 2: crowning as the winner of Physical 100. 779 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:53,639 Speaker 1: He deserved 780 00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 1: it. No, I was rooting for the other guy. OK, 781 00:35:56,879 --> 00:36:01,959 Speaker 1: he also deserved it. Yeah. No, I like Physical too. It's, 782 00:36:02,159 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: it's my favorite Netflix show, one of my favorite, one 783 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,439 Speaker 1: of my favorite guys, who laugh at me? Lingy watches. 784 00:36:08,459 --> 00:36:13,009 Speaker 1: It's damn cool. There's like 100 treadmills. Come on. 785 00:36:13,439 --> 00:36:13,819 Speaker 1: Is that 786 00:36:13,820 --> 00:36:14,590 Speaker 2: e-running?